Hi Charlie, you came up with a lot of work for yourself 😊. However, I recognize the issue you're addressing, I have similar issues with my own layout. Your track plan looks exciting, great job! I'm looking forward to see the progress! Regards, Paul
That was my first thought too - huge amount of work but I can see the investment while you are still reasonably flexible. I have similar issue with 2x l;oops so 2x duck unders...not easy but stuck with it.
Hi Charlie. Have been binge watching your videos over the past few weeks. Much better that watching the telly! Totally understand the knee problem. I am returning to model trains after 50+ years after I rediscovered my original Triang Hornby sets in the loft. My plan was to clear the loft - done, put some better loft boards down - done, and set up a layout in the loft - not done! As I was putting in the loft boards I realised that due to the restricted head room I would be on my knees most of the time. Like you I have dodgy knees which I'm on steroid injections for, as they don't hurt enough to get them replaced! So my plans have had to change. I'm now looking at the garage as a substitute. car doesn't fit in so that's not a problem. The other stuff may be! And I haven't told the wife yet! None of this has stopped me buying train related stuff. A couple of grand this year :-) . The wife doesn't know about this either! As you have mentioned in one of your videos, I appear to be a hoarder of kit at the moment rather than a user!! Best of luck on the revised layout and take care, George.
Hi George was an interesting comment. I think most of your problems can be solved by emptying the garage into the loft! Good luck with your new layout but please remember, the planning is everything. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie Usual high standard and salutary stuff. I'm 61, just started planning my first layout and over the years have walked up and down too many fells - left knee's knackered. I'm too stupid to stop going up and down hills, I suppose the fear is that once you retreat once you're done for ! I think your vid reinforced a conclusion that I was reluctantly groping toward so thanks for that; the sooner that this conclusion is reached the more time is to be saved in the long run. I am particularly apprehensive about fiddle yard operation so all the comments that you have made in this regard in your vids are particularly welcome. Kind regards (no need to reply), Mick.
Charlie Hello from Florida, USA. I enjoy your programs. I have an O scale 2 rail double deck layout with a helix. I built mine all by myself. 48" radius. If you divide the circle into manageable pieces and then cut the plywood so that the edges butt together to create the circle its very easy to assemble, lay track, test and continue. The most important thing is to test and get right before you cover with the next circle. Second to that, Be sure to allow a vertical curve entering the helix from the lower level and one at the top exiting the helix. My helix has been operational for over twenty years in a non air conditioned space in Florida. I'm sure yours will be a great success. Cheers, Tom
Well, that will be quite a new project then. Totally understood. The club I was once a member of had a layout with several members unable to step under or crawl, so they built an hand-cranked hydraulic elevator lift-up section. You go with whatever solution fits your needs. The plans look workable, so we will see how it gets on as you get into it and make the ever-present adjustments to come.
Oh dear Charlie! Quite a big leap of faith here. Right decision but brave solution. Best of luck. Guess I’m 10 years ahead of you and planning my own removal of ‘the duck-under’ prompted by a bout of sciatica. At least my solution is a lot simpler, reducing to U-shape.
Hi Charlie. Your videos have given me so much pleasure for more than a year now, I can't thank you enough. Two points that might interest you and your followers ... 1. I have been an enthusiastic user of Anyrail for around 3 years now. Which incidentally is how long it has taken me to firm up on my own putative layout design! 2. I decided from the outset to make the layout as modular and as light in weight as possible. Not because I wanted it to be portable, but so that I could build it in "self-contained " sections that could finally be assembled in their final resting place (a bay window in a spare bedroom). So, to this end, I invested in a big box of 4x2 panels of 1inch Styrofoam, with the benefit that I could also carve all the landscape out of multiple layers of this material alone. An additional benefit is that I can run all the power and control cabling in "trenches" carved out of the same material, ergo, no crawling underneath on my hands and knees! As a typical man of my generation, I struggle with all online tools, but now I will try to attach a PDF of of my Anyrail design so you can see what my final objective is ... Oops, sorry I can't see any way to do it!
Hi Charlie. You said it.... we are not getting younger. Well I solved this problem decades ago. No getting under anything on my layout. All wireing is surface mounted and all electrics eg point motors, detection modules, power supplies etc are mounted at the sides, out of sight in a 'ditch', points, (Cobalts in my case), are operated via a torsion drive system. I've never ever put point motors under points. Most everything that operates the layout is about where your belly button is! The big factor in making this work is mount all your trackwork on high-density foam board and not slap down a wooden coverall base for track.and utilise the baseboard framework as a sub frame for mounting component parts, (point motors etc). Just recently I installed wireless switches on the mains so I don't have to bend down to switch the layout on! Some years back I posted a couple of quicky 'test' videos of my layout as it progressed then and there may be some things of interest there for you, like the foam board and including a look at my double helix build. RUclips: IndigoDVW
Cracking video as always Charlie. My model railway is currently still sitting in boxes in my parents loft but I’ve be going over in my head these last few months about building one again in my somewhat small spare room. I never thought about putting helixes in until you said about it. Food for thought.
I can’t believe how cool and natural to be on camera for your age.... no offense. Your age is a positive thing as with age comes wisdom... 😁 but seriously.... many people can only dream of being as cool and casual on camera as you are! Respect and love from New Zealand!
Charlie, you have been my guide and inspiration for the last few months as I create my first ever layout. You have taught me almost everything I know and I truly grateful. But now you have let me down. "I am in my sixties" you said, and too old to be crawling under the tracks. Charlie, I am 73, and have to crawl under too! Can't change it now although no tracks laid yet, so will have to keep fit!
I've just turned 60 and I already find it difficult getting under boards to do work. Sometimes it is a bit of a squeeze to get where I need to get to as there is usually lots of stuff stored under the boards which I need to negotiate. And sod it, you've always left something on top which you need below! So I applaud your rational decision which means you can enjoy your railway for much longer if you left it as you originally intended! Railway modellers are young men in older bodies whose enthusiasm knows no limitations. ;)
As my Great Uncle used to say, "To grow old is compulsory. To grow up is to be avoided at all costs!" He lived to be a grand old 94 years young and his playful outlook made him a firm favourite with everyone. I'm now 63 years old and crawling under layouts is impossible for me with dodgy knees and a bad back so watching you do all the work while I sit back in my chair suits me just fine ha ha! Good luck with the alterations. I shall watch with interest.
You are a wise man Charlie by deciding to make the proposed changes before "Old Father Time" catches up with you. About 20 years ago at the age of 62 years I got sick of cracking my head as I crawled under my layout as you are currently doing. Had I left it any longer I doubt if I would be in this hobby now. I will follow with great interest the changes you are about to make to your layout. Best wishes Greg
Wow ! This is a huge change Charlie. The operating possibilities are also huge. You’ll be able to run your mainlines in ‘auto’ sequence while shunting sidings and running branchline services..... and if your like me by the time you’ve run a full sequence you’ll have forgotten what the first train was so it’ll all seem new 😔 😂!
Charlie, in AnyRail, if you place the cursor on an item and right click, the drop down menu has a 'Detail' choice. If you click on it, AnyRail will show all the info about that item. Also, I really enjoy your videos. I'm 72 and restarted my layout after an absence of 35 years. I understand the 'Senior' thing.
Great video, Charlie. I, too am in that age bracket and after retiring wanted to build a model railway. I built the frame work and boards, then realized my knees and back would not take the abuse. Back to the drawing board!!! Enjoy your videos, thank you.
I’m so pleased that you found the content interesting Dave. Yes, sadly we do have to plan in our own physical ability to our model railways. Regards Charlie
Charlie, Like all good model railway layouts they never stop growing. I the States where a helix is a much more common layout addition they put deserts, mountains city's on top of them. The new helix designs allow the operater to stand inside the helix and some have a crane system to lift the scenic board clear.Below the helix is also a cloth " blanket" to catch any stock should any derail. Happy day's ahead. Cheers, Chris Perry.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who has had a few changes during the build. I have a step under layout like this but I put two lift up or slide out sections across the doorway to allow for when I get older
Hi Charlie, Just wanted to add my support to your use of the AnyRail software. Having mastered the use of layers I have created separate ones for baseboards; construction; dimensions; track setting out dims; track feeds; UP and Down lines; loco depot; text, etc,etc. I can then ‘turn off’ any layers not applicable to a particular printout. One great feature of this design package is that you can switch any ‘element’ of the design into a different layer - making corrections very simple. Be aware it is critical to select the correct layer as you add items or amend track plans. It have found the investment for the ‘full blown package’ well worth the money and you get updates as and when they are released. My years are much more advanced than yours and anything that reduces bending up and down or crawling about under the layout is very worthy of full consideration. I’m considering the installation of a helix too so your upcoming videos are eagerly awaited! Happy Modelling, Tony T🚂
That's plenty to keep you out of trouble Charlie! - sympathies regarding knees, I realise that every time I crouch down to feed the cat! I got my freebie bus pass a few months ago - imagine my surprise when I saw that they'd stuck a picture of an old bloke on it!
Charlie for many years I used to train body builders as a weight/ nutrition coach and we had the most amazing chiropractor on hand to deal with any injuries, which unfortunately happened and more often than not most knee problems were caused by A lumbar herniated disc or lumbar spinal stenosis that causes compression of the L3 nerve root in your mid-back region may cause knee pain and weakness. You may also experience pain in the front of your thigh, side of your hip, and the groin region, so it may pay you to pay a visit to a chiropractor just to give you the once over, just to rule out a lower back problem!
One of the first things I had in mind when making my layout was that I NEEDED a lifting flap, cus I just knew it would be really annoying and tiresome to have to crawl under all the time, and I just turned 33 now and was only 29 when I started, lol! XD But yeah, really good idea you made an opening for you to just walk in and out, making it so much easier! :)
Charlie, I absolutely love your presentations. As a 70 year old just getting back into model railroading after 55+ years, I hang on every word you say. You are my go-to guy for anything that could possible pop into my head about model railroading . . . keep up the GREAT! work. As for the knees, I feel your pain. I designed my layout to not have any duck-unders for just that reason. I have thought, at great lengths, about hiding my helix in a mountain and came up with the idea to hide it inside a model of the Matterhorn from Disneyland
Great idea for the rebuild, Charlie. The helixes will give the impression that your trains have gone off to some distant location before returning in the opposite direction - adds great interest! You're correct about the knees, they certainly aren't what they used to be!
Very sorry to hear about your knee problems. I occasionally have issues with my right knee so I understand. When I designed my layout I built a lift out section with a viaduct as I knew at some point my knees were going to give me trouble. I also put my main bus line wires on my fascia, yes not as neat but I can get to it much more easily. For anyone building a layout I'd suggest keeping the issues that getting older bring to nearly all of us.
Hi Charlie I have decided not to redo my layout AGAIN as all my track is now completed. I have the added complication of being nearly 70 with arthritis in knees, hands and other random places. I am building a small square of strengthened timber with castors underneath. I merely sit on it and push myself along to get under the layout to the centre control panel. I also have a highly protected litter picker (we call it the foam fingers lol) which is also very useful picking things up which have fallen off the track!! Cheersd, Bob
At 62 I opted for a bend over height rather than a crawl under height so at 69 it is much appreciated! Someone has already mentioned that James produces a helix set but my guess is that you are using him anyway... I have bought from him the Alpha meter as describes a few videos ago so well done in promoting his stuff as they are very helpful. This plan will give you much better running times for your automated movements so can't wait to see it built and running. Stay with it Charlie - for our sakes.
I think the new track plan is a great idea. Not only will it help your knee, but It will change your layout so that trains will really seem to be going somewhere, not just around in circles. I look forward to seeing your progress on this in the coming months. Nicely done.
Good work Charlie, not only are you helping yourself but you are helping other realise that you can make modifications at any point of the build for health reasons or just for a change. I look forward to watching your progress.
Big fan of your content Charlie and would love to see you crack this new plan. Others have commented on the difficulties of helix gradients, I just think that is a huge amount of hidden track. I quickly decided on my end to end layout Little Brickhill to avoid hidden areas to make track cleaning etc easier. I made the station bigger than normal (8 tracks) to help storage and when I add a fiddle yard it will be spurred off in a straight line past the return loops so that everything is pretty much on the same level. If you’re going to undertake all that work I would suggest going a stage further and moving the scenic boards up the wall a foot or so to give yourself the working maximum space and access. You could even look at arranging the fiddle yard tracks to slide out on a cassette again for access purposes.
HI Charlie, A very ambitious project, you've obviously done your homework. I'm sixty two, I hope I live long enough to see it! Well good luck and thanks for sharing,
Like you I too have reached the point where I can't do the duck under or at least reaching that age, but saw it coming, you are in barkin on a really big change , I might suggest using the 3d part of Anyrail to check your clearances before deciding on how many turns in yor helix you really want or need . Looking forward to see how it all turns out....thanks for sharing....Jack 👍👍👍
Thankyou for your Video. A most apppropriate and timely subject of access. Your points were heeded and will be incorporated into any of my future layout plans. I intend to have my representation placed at a high elevation, shoulder height (approx) in relation to myself which will or should enable easier access to the underside for wiring and if needed passing under by use of a wheeled deskchair. I could achieve this by incorporating higher benchwork and a raised centre floor... I might actually make a video of this project afterall.
Being an old ex rugby player and climber I feel your frustration . We had a helix on our old club layout but found older Locos and formations of anything longer than 5 coaches really struggled .Also track cleaning was a pain. A friend of mine came up with a clever system where rather than a hinged board he had a small 3ft section which wheeled out .It is DCC and electric connections are maintained with flexible cables .He has never had a problem.
I made a low seat on wheels, it’s not too bad getting down on to it but wait till you have to get up! The older you get the lower the floor gets. I’m 67. Good luck with the layout. Alec
I am going to have to think about this too and some stage as my railway layout board is on the floor at present and as I am 52 now , this new plan looks great I like the helix,s , talking of doing other things in your railway room I am off with my Avation group chairman to visit the Former USAF C-54 military version of the Douglas DC-4 on Sunday and a aircraft that saw actual service in the Pacific during ww2 now at North weald.
Hi Charlie. Have watched all of your videos but have never commented. I love your presentation and the manner in which way you present yourself, your a very talented man hats off to you. I am an N gauge modeller and get lots of ideas from you, I to have just completed my own helix using a cutting down to a six lane storage area. However I would think on the idea of a swing gate or a lift hinged section, slightly offsetting the back scene allowing entry, maybe lift out and lock section, any of these would save you a lot off Time and effort. Anyhow it's your railway. Keep up the excellent work, I'll email you some photos of my shed layout. Good luck. BRIAN
Hi Charlie sorry to hear about your knee problem just when you thought and we thought chadwick was near to how you had planned it but your left knee just like my right knee thought no we’re not going to let that happen I had a large end to end in our loft then I had to have a knee replacement so that was the end of that because climbing loft ladders were just abit tricky but l have now got Beighton Parkway in my 8ftx6ft shed things are sent to try us but just like the phoenix we start again I am sure looking at your new layout plans which look great you will have trains back running again good luck with it as always keep taking the pain relief and run the hst Kind Regards Kev
You’re very welcome Charlie throughout all your videos from MTD to the present day you have given model railway modelers inspiration to see what you have achieved and maybe tweak it abit for their layout loved the video of you washing the track in fairy liquid I was in stitches the video about track cleaning was informative about the different products available I have seen on another RUclips video a guy called Brian who helps with things about Railmaster which is the software that I use he uses dust monkeys that clip onto your wagon axles and then get pulled along so I have ordered a pack from Rails of Sheffield price £14.25 I will let you know how I get on keep safe Kind Regards Kev (Beighton Parkway)
It was a little spooky watching this video. I am also in my early 60's with bad knees (which will hopefully get replaced next summer). My primary level is 40 inches high to avoid bending. I am also using AnyRail, building multiple future versions, trying to squeeze as much track into the available space as possible. A helix or two may also be required at some point, depending on how ambitious I get. The only difference is that I am using N scale, and flex track for the long stretches. Negotiations are ongoing with the queen of the castle regarding how much territory is available for future expansion. I look forward to future updates.
I think it must be more common than I thought (senior members with knee issues). I have a helix at one corner and a sort of double switch back across the other end layout which is like a horse shoe shape but please do not do what I have done by making the yard below only 10 inches below the main board (headache when issue with points etc). I made the helix from 4mm ply (main boards are 15mm). If you wish I could send a couple of photo's. Always look forward to your videos and your comments always make me laugh keep them coming.
Hi Charlie, enjoyed the video as usual. My belief is we always want to expand our layouts regardless of what stage there at. I hope you enjoy your challenge and I look forward following the adventure. Rgds from Down Under
What a great idea, Charlie! Not only will it save your poor knees and back, but it will add much more interest to the layout. It is always so much better to have a train disappear from view, only to have it reappear elsewhere. Still a tail chaser, but it will give the illusion of the train having actually gone off somewhere else. Of course, if you really wanted to be brave you could think of some way of incorporating a reversing loop, that would add yet another whole new scope of ideas for running sessions! But like I say, your new ideas are going to make a world of difference, practical, plus adding a lot of interest. Good luck with it all, and I hope you find those bits of curved track your looking for.
Charlie, I have solved the noise problem that is transmitted from the hard ballasted track. Thanks to the DCC Guy in America. I will cover the entire baseboard with up to 1/2 inch thick foam board and build the layout on top of that using 5mm foam trackbed. Now all I have to work out is will the Platforms and coach doors line up? Martin. (Thailand)
Good luckwith the helix. I took the same decision about a year ago and installed a 4-turn helix. I use this as what I think of as a "dynamic fiddle yard" in an automatic system and have laid four tracks on the helix. These use Peco setack radius 2, radius 3, radius 4 and a flextrack radius 5 equivalent. I had no problems with the short 16-to-a-circle radius 4 tracks. Indeed, the flextrack was more difficult getting a smooth curved joint particularly when using an insulating joiner. The main problem with a small radius helix is the gradient it requires. I only have about 5 mm clearance using 9 mm mdf + 3mm cork + 4.5 mm code 100 rail with a 3" (76 mm) rise per turn. This produces a gradient of 1 in 36 and 1 in 42 on my inner two tracks respectively. Keeping these two tracks for down trains has made the system workable although I laid these two tracks with DCC Concepts Powerbase just to be sure. It would be nearly impossible to lay this retrospectively. My 4 tracks each form one cab control DCC section and are divided into storage "slots". The inner one holds 4 trains of up to 7 coaches plus an engine, the radius 3 track holds 6 trains of up to 5 coaches, the radius 4 track 5 trains of up to 7 coaches and the outer track 7 trains of up to 5 coaches. Block Signalling supplied the electronics to allow trains on the helix to index up one slot as required in automatic sequence. The system was not without teething troubles. I eventually installed Bachmann level-crossing style re-railers on the four entry tracks to avoid problems in mid-helix. These work. More difficult was the problem of uncoupling with the stop-start nature of trains indexing up or down the helix on tight curves. Sorting this out took months and is a story in itself. The havoc caused by stray stock running down the steep gradient meeting a train coming up can be imagined. However, all is now sufficiently reliable that I am planning to install a fifth track on the helix using radius 1 curves and maybe bi-directional trains. I have worked out a system for this but have not yet started construction as I have not yet found a satsfactory way of installing the necessary additional pointwork at the base of the helx. There is too little space and access is limited. I will persevere. Thanks, Charlie, for continuing helpful commentaries.
Hi Graham, what an outstanding comment. It makes my Helix idea insignificant compared to what you have achieved. I totally understand the problems with couplings especially breakaways on the incline. My coaching stock is being converted to magnetic Hunt Couplings currently, and hopefully this shouldn’t present any problems. Power wise all my locos are diesels so should manage to climb without too much of a problem. I’ve worked out the incline to be approximately 1 in 48. Wish me luck, regards Charlie
Powerbase is definitely the answer to any gradient rising more than 4% (0 to 4” in 8 feet), especially when factoring in the tight curve which in my limited experience almost halved the climbing ability of some of my trains. Woodland Scenics’ 4% Incline Set kept me honest when it came to the gradient and it bends really well around even the tightest bend. Not stackable in a helix though!
And i thought i was the only old bloke who got it wrong...12,000miles away..same 67, getting old duck under left knee going, but hey love it. In the mode now that less is more with my railway.
Hi Charlie. Exciting stuff. It was interesting that you mentioned a skateboard-like trolley to get under your layout. I bought in my baseboard and just assembled it today, having to lie down under it to fasten the bolts and wing nuts that hold the two halves together. The height of the baseboard is such that, lying on my back, I had to stretch upwards to reach the fastenings. I'm 64 years old and the body starts to complain! I'm still going to investigate that trolley.
Hi Charlie, that’s a large change. I’ve been worried 😟 about your knees kneeling at all those altars 😀 Good luck with the new plan I will stayed tuned further updates as and when you can.
My other comment is about the fiddle yard. You might want to either elevate the fiddle yard to eye level, or space the fiddle yard at least 3 feet between it and the upper layer/shelf. The idea being to have a very clear view of the fiddle yard. Here'one reason why: You might enjoy having friends over to have an "operations role play game" where you simulate the Chadwick Railroad, i.e., developing a train schedule(s) for a day, including track switching routes, train consist assembly, and then completing the schedule. Each friend takes a specific job/role. Forgive me if this is very common knowledge. One more reason for having more than 18 inch clearance between track layers/shelves is to give you more room for rewiring or other repairs...Hope this helps. EB
I was 30 when I became a realist. We built a single Storey home the layout is dog bone wrapped around the room and all doorways facilitate a wheelchair in not in my 40s still in great shape but I know it gets harder climbing under but I will agree that the 5-10 year old me always dreamed of having a layout where you were in the middle to do it all of course at that age no budget no room so the standard 8x4ft layout was where it was but now when the limitations have been removed we have to think about the future I want to still be on my layout in my 80s as opposed to in my 50s and several hip replacements later ha ha. Local villagers what a delightful statement I envision the uk coziness of vicar of dibley or rockys estate in as time goes by either way I agreed I have a ratio for the model railway room 30% room for layout and rest for other stuff just makes for an enjoyable environment to really absorb the brilliance of the imagination and creative space you have put into fruition. It’s like the perfect piece of art it goes in a frame and is hung evenly spaced onto a wall and everything works together it’s the same here all in good time. Still that’s a lot of lolly on new track bussiness is booming only way to be keep it up. I’m disappointed it’s been what 10 years and Hornby rail master and track plan should be the same software and work a lot better than it does and for me I say this because I know they would make it very simple approachable any rail is great but a bit like the subscription to the new office outlook really does look flat especially now we pay I mean is this the best we could do anyway transgressing as always great vid stay safe party on.
Hi Charlie. I have a friend who has made the bridge on his layout in a way that allows him to lift it so that he can access his layout and still have continuous running without having to have return loops.
Hi Charlie, wow what a undertaking the very best of luck with it I'm looking forward to seeing your progress in the week/months to come. I've never seen a helix in operation, I've seen a real one when we visited Canada for my 60th birthday when we were lucky enough to see the kamloops tunnels, (think that's how you spell it not far from Jasper, it was fascinating to see a train coming out of a tunnel and the back end hadn't gone in yet.. anyway good luck with it should give us lucky people lots of interest in the future stay safe Eddy xx
Hi Charlie, I have a total inability to bend and be on the floor, also lifting is not a good idea. I am in my 70's with health issues so I have to plan for the future as its not going to get any better. I have my layout on 5 cm thick ridgid foam base boards (almost the magic bullet for me) with everything accessed from the top. The wiring is buried in grooves burnt in with a cheap modified soldering iron and scenery mods are done with a hot knife and/or wire. I have never had much luck with bridge access so the track plan (AnyRail to the fore) is a dogbone around 2 room sides and a shunting layout over the top for all 3 sides. The distances are kept so I can acess the rails. I hope this starts some thinking as I found the foam to be much better than the ply both in weight and cost All the best with the next episode of your role of Chief Right Of Way Engineer.. Have fun and please stay safe
At last I've found someone that is doing things as I have done for decades... adopting an open frame, everything top mounted or imbedded in ridgid. (high density) foam base boards. No getting under the layout and everything at ones fingertips. All electrics on my layout are situated ina 100mm 'ditch' at the side including all point motors operating thru a torsion system, (rod & tube). No mounting point motors under points ever for me. I'm in the process of replacing my Canon HD vid camera after the flip-screen failed and Sony would not service it as the camera was over 5 yrs old and put together a series of short videos of how my layout is built etc so keep watching Charlie.
I sympathise Charlie. I had a crawl under a few years ago and realised that it was going to be a problem later in life. I now have my layout at a height of 54 inches and being only 65 inches tall it is very easy to duck under even if I do sometimes misjudge it and hit my head! OUCH! The section does also lift right out if required but it is rarely needed. My only negative observation of your new plan is the gradient of the Helix. With 3rd/4th radius it will be about 1 in 50 which with 8 coach trains will be a tall order for steam locos. If as I suspect your collection is all two bogie all wheel drive diesels then you will probably be fine. Good luck, it is looking like a mammoth project. .....................John
Hello Charlie, The rebuilding of your layout will certainly change the look and feel of it. I have been using Anyrail for about 6 months and I think I was at plan Z before I finally settled on a plan. So I have settled on a "C" shaped layout. This meant a complete reworking of my layout. I am turning 60 in November and my issue is my hips so my new layout was built high enough so I could sit in a office chair and wheel under the layout to do wiring. It is about 1500 mm off the ground. I have had issues getting Peco track here in OZ so I have been ordering from all over the globe. One end of my new layout sits ideal as I wait for some points to arrive from England. In the process of building the new layout I am changing the layout from Hornby control to Digitrax so every bit of wiring I have done has to be redone. I have found that learning how to wire for the Digirax system with block detection the hardest. I am going to use Train Controller Bronze for auto control and well as Digitax DT500 controller. It will be interesting to watch your videos over the coming months to see how it progresses.
Hi Charlie, great video as always. I like the new ideas for the layout too. Something you may find useful - when drawing track in Anyrail, right clicking on the first track drawn and selecting "add parallel flex ..." gives a prompt for the desired track offset (centre to centre) and then you select the side to put it. It makes drawing accurate plans very quick and easy. I typically use 50.8mm, but you can put any number you like. When laying settrack curves there is also an option to create a helix! Regards Barry.
Wow what a lot of replies. It’s interesting because being of a similar age I too am suffering from a dodgy knee (or two) and my duck under is not going to work long term. I tried a lift out section secured with dowels which kinda works. I’m not a big believer in the helix concept I’m going to follow with interest. I have a simpler but not inexpensive solution! My layout is in a raised section of my shed/garage (30’x10’) to get up there I installed a spiral staircase at one end of the “loft”. So I’m just going to extend the loft about 4’ around the staircase so the staircase comes out in the middle of the layout! Will also give me another 10-15’ of track/scenery to play with :)
Good decision Charlie, I was watching one of Jenny Kirks videos where she slipped over on ice and damaged her knees badly. She is now doing what your about to do and turn hers into a walk through also. You don't want to be getting to old and crawling on your knees .
Hi Charlie I use anyrail (paid for) on my mac through a virtual windows OSI find it extremely easy to use and there are so many ways it can be used I found that by playing around with a small area you can learn all the additional "tricks"
WoW !! Lots of exciting things to look forward to in up coming videos. As for your knee situation... take care. But there again that’s part an parcel of getting old... like me. Thanks for everything.
An ambitious, but logical, plan Charlie. Taking on a helix is a big move, 𝒕𝒘𝒐 is a huge move but, getting them professionally constructed should take a lot of hair-tearing out of the picture. Your careful planning looks like very little of what's already built will be wasted; you've made the decision just in time. Assuming everything goes to plan, you're going to gain a good bit of scenic area to play with and you've loads of options as to how to use the two end sections. I look forward to watching future developments. Good Luck !! 👌😁👍
Two great videos this an last week and before you corrected the title Track Planing, I thought you had come up with another track cleaning solution :-) Being an engineer, I have never understood those track rubbers. I did buy that Dapol track cleaner when it came out and sense in constant use it will keep the dirt down using the correct fluid. In conclusion, that Anyrail s/w is very good; I used it for mine and just broke it up into 3x sections each of 52 components. The fact it then generates a parts BOM is great so you then know easily what you have to buy. Good stuff
Great video Charlie as always judging by the comments you have made us all think about future building a layout luckily I’m still at the planning stage I’ve been watching and learning from you and other RUclipsrs. Well done and all the best.
Drat. My initial Anyrail design 10 years ago was a helix-to-helix configuration. I eventually decided that the 4’ x4’ space required for each helix was consuming too much of the room, so the procrastination ended with me creating a regular layout similar to your current design. Made the baseboards nice and high, but I still regularly come up too early and gash my back on the framework, sending the odd scenic element flying , and filling the air with profanity. Needed your video 10 years ago Charlie. I must learn to procrastinate more...about 10 years more...
Hi Charlie, I am sorry to hear your are beginning to suffer with knee pains, can be very unpleasant. The new track plan looks great and as always I very much look forward to seeing your progress with the new plans. You asked for ideas in relation to helix scenic works.. My suggestion would be, the helix with the station/industrial or perhaps Tmd by the walk through (left side). Would you consider doing a Dawlish setting?. The trains would leave the top of the helix via a double track tunnel and run in front of some lovely scenic cliff faces, these could be scenically decorated as you wish, hope this is useful and maybe to your interest?. Keep safe, well and happy modelling 😉👍
Interesting changes, that plan is going to throw up some great running shots, nice long straight sections. Look forward to seeing that come together. Like that idea of the centre line in the fiddle yard that will enable trains to access either loop. Food for thought that!.
Makes perfect sense, Charlie. The proposed track plan is great. Certainly a mammoth undertaking, though. All the best to you, and especially your left knee! I am looking forward to follow the rebuild.
Wow Charlie I do admire your commitment and the extended layout looks great. So good to see your track plan is detail and good luck with the helixes, your a brave man sir. Look forward to the updates.
Hi Charlie I have just started watching your most recent video and I notice in the background as your first class 125 coaches perhaps need a back to back wheel check as the front first class coach kicks just as it enters the viaduct and again as it comes out of the cutting. I look forward to see more of your scenic work as this is the hardest part for me to motivate myself to do. Cheers Patrick
Thanks Charlie, look forward to watching the new layout progress. I recently purchased AnyRail $79 (Aus) to design my first layout and have found it immensely helpful even though I have only been using the basic features so far. Cheers Warren
I’m so pleased that you found it useful too Warren. I thought that it was reasonably easy to get started which is useful as only too often we try something and then think, why did I bother! Regards Charlie
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Hi Charlie, you came up with a lot of work for yourself 😊. However, I recognize the issue you're addressing, I have similar issues with my own layout. Your track plan looks exciting, great job! I'm looking forward to see the progress! Regards, Paul
Thanks Paul, what a heartwarming comment, regards Charlie
That was my first thought too - huge amount of work but I can see the investment while you are still reasonably flexible. I have similar issue with 2x l;oops so 2x duck unders...not easy but stuck with it.
Hi Charlie. Have been binge watching your videos over the past few weeks. Much better that watching the telly! Totally understand the knee problem. I am returning to model trains after 50+ years after I rediscovered my original Triang Hornby sets in the loft. My plan was to clear the loft - done, put some better loft boards down - done, and set up a layout in the loft - not done! As I was putting in the loft boards I realised that due to the restricted head room I would be on my knees most of the time. Like you I have dodgy knees which I'm on steroid injections for, as they don't hurt enough to get them replaced! So my plans have had to change. I'm now looking at the garage as a substitute. car doesn't fit in so that's not a problem. The other stuff may be! And I haven't told the wife yet! None of this has stopped me buying train related stuff. A couple of grand this year :-) . The wife doesn't know about this either! As you have mentioned in one of your videos, I appear to be a hoarder of kit at the moment rather than a user!! Best of luck on the revised layout and take care, George.
Hi George was an interesting comment. I think most of your problems can be solved by emptying the garage into the loft! Good luck with your new layout but please remember, the planning is everything. Regards Charlie
No one can accuse you of a lack of ambition! Well done for thinking ahead and being realistic.
I’m so pleased that you found it interesting mate
I'm a simple man, I see a new Chadwick Model Railway video, I click on it and immediately hit the like button. Excited to see this put together!
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Will.
Hi Charlie
Usual high standard and salutary stuff.
I'm 61, just started planning my first layout and over the years have walked up and down too many fells - left knee's knackered. I'm too stupid to stop going up and down hills, I suppose the fear is that once you retreat once you're done for ! I think your vid reinforced a conclusion that I was reluctantly groping toward so thanks for that; the sooner that this conclusion is reached the more time is to be saved in the long run. I am particularly apprehensive about fiddle yard operation so all the comments that you have made in this regard in your vids are particularly welcome. Kind regards (no need to reply), Mick.
Thanks Mick great comment, regards Charlie
Charlie Hello from Florida, USA. I enjoy your programs. I have an O scale 2 rail double deck layout with a helix. I built mine all by myself. 48" radius. If you divide the circle into manageable pieces and then cut the plywood so that the edges butt together to create the circle its very easy to assemble, lay track, test and continue. The most important thing is to test and get right before you cover with the next circle. Second to that, Be sure to allow a vertical curve entering the helix from the lower level and one at the top exiting the helix. My helix has been operational for over twenty years in a non air conditioned space in Florida. I'm sure yours will be a great success. Cheers, Tom
An excellent comment Tom, thank you kind regards Charlie
Well, that will be quite a new project then. Totally understood. The club I was once a member of had a layout with several members unable to step under or crawl, so they built an hand-cranked hydraulic elevator lift-up section. You go with whatever solution fits your needs. The plans look workable, so we will see how it gets on as you get into it and make the ever-present adjustments to come.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Anthony
Oh dear Charlie! Quite a big leap of faith here. Right decision but brave solution. Best of luck.
Guess I’m 10 years ahead of you and planning my own removal of ‘the duck-under’ prompted by a bout of sciatica. At least my solution is a lot simpler, reducing to U-shape.
Getting old isn’t as much fun as I thought it would be Bob, regards Charlie
Hi Charlie.
Your videos have given me so much pleasure for more than a year now, I can't thank you enough. Two points that might interest you and your followers ...
1. I have been an enthusiastic user of Anyrail for around 3 years now. Which incidentally is how long it has taken me to firm up on my own putative layout design!
2. I decided from the outset to make the layout as modular and as light in weight as possible. Not because I wanted it to be portable, but so that I could build it in "self-contained " sections that could finally be assembled in their final resting place (a bay window in a spare bedroom).
So, to this end, I invested in a big box of 4x2 panels of 1inch Styrofoam, with the benefit that I could also carve all the landscape out of multiple layers of this material alone. An additional benefit is that I can run all the power and control cabling in "trenches" carved out of the same material, ergo, no crawling underneath on my hands and knees!
As a typical man of my generation, I struggle with all online tools, but now I will try to attach a PDF of of my Anyrail design so you can see what my final objective is ...
Oops, sorry I can't see any way to do it!
Hi Roger, great comment. You’d have to email me the plans and my email address is at the end of each video. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie. You said it.... we are not getting younger. Well I solved this problem decades ago. No getting under anything on my layout. All wireing is surface mounted and all electrics eg point motors, detection modules, power supplies etc are mounted at the sides, out of sight in a 'ditch', points, (Cobalts in my case), are operated via a torsion drive system. I've never ever put point motors under points. Most everything that operates the layout is about where your belly button is! The big factor in making this work is mount all your trackwork on high-density foam board and not slap down a wooden coverall base for track.and utilise the baseboard framework as a sub frame for mounting component parts, (point motors etc). Just recently I installed wireless switches on the mains so I don't have to bend
down to switch the layout on!
Some years back I posted a couple of quicky 'test' videos of my layout as it progressed then and there may be some things of interest there for you, like the foam board and including a look at my double helix build. RUclips: IndigoDVW
A great comment, thank you. I’ve just subscribed too, regards Charlie
Cracking video as always Charlie. My model railway is currently still sitting in boxes in my parents loft but I’ve be going over in my head these last few months about building one again in my somewhat small spare room. I never thought about putting helixes in until you said about it. Food for thought.
Andrew I'm so pleased that you found the video useful.
Regards Charlie
I can’t believe how cool and natural to be on camera for your age.... no offense. Your age is a positive thing as with age comes wisdom... 😁 but seriously.... many people can only dream of being as cool and casual on camera as you are! Respect and love from New Zealand!
For my age .... I'm only 26 (on the inside)!
@@ChadwickModelRailway my dad says the same thing! With happiness comes long life!
Charlie, you have been my guide and inspiration for the last few months as I create my first ever layout. You have taught me almost everything I know and I truly grateful. But now you have let me down. "I am in my sixties" you said, and too old to be crawling under the tracks. Charlie, I am 73, and have to crawl under too! Can't change it now although no tracks laid yet, so will have to keep fit!
Tread carefully Peter!
I've just turned 60 and I already find it difficult getting under boards to do work. Sometimes it is a bit of a squeeze to get where I need to get to as there is usually lots of stuff stored under the boards which I need to negotiate. And sod it, you've always left something on top which you need below! So I applaud your rational decision which means you can enjoy your railway for much longer if you left it as you originally intended! Railway modellers are young men in older bodies whose enthusiasm knows no limitations. ;)
Great comment David, young men in older bodies, regards Charlie
As my Great Uncle used to say, "To grow old is compulsory. To grow up is to be avoided at all costs!" He lived to be a grand old 94 years young and his playful outlook made him a firm favourite with everyone. I'm now 63 years old and crawling under layouts is impossible for me with dodgy knees and a bad back so watching you do all the work while I sit back in my chair suits me just fine ha ha! Good luck with the alterations. I shall watch with interest.
Thanks CB, old-age is a terrible thing, regards Charlie
You are a wise man Charlie by deciding to make the proposed changes before "Old Father Time" catches up with you. About 20 years ago at the age of 62 years I got sick of cracking my head as I crawled under my layout as you are currently doing. Had I left it any longer I doubt if I would be in this hobby now. I will follow with great interest the changes you are about to make to your layout. Best wishes Greg
Thanks Greg, it’s great to have your support
Wow ! This is a huge change Charlie.
The operating possibilities are also huge. You’ll be able to run your mainlines in ‘auto’ sequence while shunting sidings and running branchline services..... and if your like me by the time you’ve run a full sequence you’ll have forgotten what the first train was so it’ll all seem new 😔 😂!
Exactly Gary! I think the world is your oyster if this plan comes together. Regards Charlie
Charlie, in AnyRail, if you place the cursor on an item and right click, the drop down menu has a 'Detail' choice. If you click on it, AnyRail will show all the info about that item. Also, I really enjoy your videos.
I'm 72 and restarted my layout after an absence of 35 years. I understand the 'Senior' thing.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the video Rich.
Great video, Charlie. I, too am in that age bracket and after retiring wanted to build a model railway. I built the frame work and boards, then realized my knees and back would not take the abuse. Back to the drawing board!!! Enjoy your videos, thank you.
I’m so pleased that you found the content interesting Dave. Yes, sadly we do have to plan in our own physical ability to our model railways. Regards Charlie
Charlie, Like all good model railway layouts they never stop growing. I the States where a helix is a much more common layout addition they put deserts, mountains city's on top of them. The new helix designs allow the operater to stand inside the helix and some have a crane system to lift the scenic board clear.Below the helix is also a cloth " blanket" to catch any stock should any derail. Happy day's ahead. Cheers, Chris Perry.
Hi Chris, great tip about the blanket, regards Charlie
I’m glad I’m not the only one who has had a few changes during the build. I have a step under layout like this but I put two lift up or slide out sections across the doorway to allow for when I get older
A good move Aaron, regards Charlie
Wow Charlie! A layout is TRULY never finished!
Sometimes it seems like it’s never started!
I have used Anyrail for now 19 years, and is very pleased with the Program. Good Luck with Your new plan :-)
Thanks Henrik, regards Charlie
Hi Charlie,
Just wanted to add my support to your use of the AnyRail software.
Having mastered the use of layers I have created separate ones for baseboards; construction; dimensions; track setting out dims; track feeds; UP and Down lines; loco depot; text, etc,etc. I can then ‘turn off’ any layers not applicable to a particular printout.
One great feature of this design package is that you can switch any ‘element’ of the design into a different layer - making corrections very simple. Be aware it is critical to select the correct layer as you add items or amend track plans.
It have found the investment for the ‘full blown package’ well worth the money and you get updates as and when they are released. My years are much more advanced than yours and anything that reduces bending up and down or crawling about under the layout is very worthy of full consideration. I’m considering the installation of a helix too so your upcoming videos are eagerly awaited!
Happy Modelling,
Tony T🚂
Yes Tony, it certainly is a brilliant program, regards Charlie
That's plenty to keep you out of trouble Charlie! - sympathies regarding knees, I realise that every time I crouch down to feed the cat! I got my freebie bus pass a few months ago - imagine my surprise when I saw that they'd stuck a picture of an old bloke on it!
Shocking, how could they. Let's not get old!
This all makes sense. I will be 62 soon and also am suffering from "old-guy" syndrome. Nicely explained and well thought out!
Thanks Eric I’m so pleased to have you on board, old-age waits for none of us
Charlie for many years I used to train body builders as a weight/ nutrition coach and we had the most amazing chiropractor on hand to deal with any injuries, which unfortunately happened and more often than not most knee problems were caused by A lumbar herniated disc or lumbar spinal stenosis that causes compression of the L3 nerve root in your mid-back region may cause knee pain and weakness. You may also experience pain in the front of your thigh, side of your hip, and the groin region, so it may pay you to pay a visit to a chiropractor just to give you the once over, just to rule out a lower back problem!
A great comment John thank you. I certainly take your points to heart and will keep an eye out for such symptoms. Regards Charlie
Its a pleasure to watch these videos you make...Hope the knee improves
Thanks Robert
i enjoyed that. thanks again for another insight into your model world. don't stop.
Thanks Kevin, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it. Regards Charlie
One of the first things I had in mind when making my layout was that I NEEDED a lifting flap, cus I just knew it would be really annoying and tiresome to have to crawl under all the time, and I just turned 33 now and was only 29 when I started, lol! XD But yeah, really good idea you made an opening for you to just walk in and out, making it so much easier! :)
My knees were just getting shot away PK. I really had no choice.
Regards, Charlie
Hi Charlie,
I don't have a knee problem as I am a carpet fitter and at 65 my layout is floor level in the loft keep up the great video's. Cheers Ian.
Wow Iain, what an interesting situation, regards Charlie
Charlie, I absolutely love your presentations. As a 70 year old just getting back into model railroading after 55+ years, I hang on every word you say. You are my go-to guy for anything that could possible pop into my head about model railroading . . . keep up the GREAT! work. As for the knees, I feel your pain. I designed my layout to not have any duck-unders for just that reason.
I have thought, at great lengths, about hiding my helix in a mountain and came up with the idea to hide it inside a model of the Matterhorn from Disneyland
Thanks Pete, what a heartwarming comment, and good luck with your layout too. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie... I'm thinking the same thing.. no duck under or crawl under... thanks for sharing and keep up the great work... Lance
Hi Lance, I’m so pleased that you found it interesting. Regards Charlie
Great idea for the rebuild, Charlie. The helixes will give the impression that your trains have gone off to some distant location before returning in the opposite direction - adds great interest! You're correct about the knees, they certainly aren't what they used to be!
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it mate.
Very sorry to hear about your knee problems. I occasionally have issues with my right knee so I understand. When I designed my layout I built a lift out section with a viaduct as I knew at some point my knees were going to give me trouble. I also put my main bus line wires on my fascia, yes not as neat but I can get to it much more easily.
For anyone building a layout I'd suggest keeping the issues that getting older bring to nearly all of us.
Wise words indeed Richard, regards Charlie
Can I just say that as someone who doesn't even have a model railway, I find your videos fascinating, and have subscribed.
What a heart warming comment gerald. Stay safe. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie
I have decided not to redo my layout AGAIN as all my track is now completed. I have the added complication of being nearly 70 with arthritis in knees, hands and other random places. I am building a small square of strengthened timber with castors underneath. I merely sit on it and push myself along to get under the layout to the centre control panel. I also have a highly protected litter picker (we call it the foam fingers lol) which is also very useful picking things up which have fallen off the track!!
Cheersd, Bob
Getting old is not as much fun as I thought it might be!
At 62 I opted for a bend over height rather than a crawl under height so at 69 it is much appreciated! Someone has already mentioned that James produces a helix set but my guess is that you are using him anyway... I have bought from him the Alpha meter as describes a few videos ago so well done in promoting his stuff as they are very helpful. This plan will give you much better running times for your automated movements so can't wait to see it built and running. Stay with it Charlie - for our sakes.
Thanks Paul, it’s great to have you onboard
I think the new track plan is a great idea. Not only will it help your knee, but It will change your layout so that trains will really seem to be going somewhere, not just around in circles. I look forward to seeing your progress on this in the coming months. Nicely done.
Thanks Lou, Regards Charlie
Good work Charlie, not only are you helping yourself but you are helping other realise that you can make modifications at any point of the build for health reasons or just for a change. I look forward to watching your progress.
Thanks Jason, I’m so pleased enjoyed it
Big fan of your content Charlie and would love to see you crack this new plan. Others have commented on the difficulties of helix gradients, I just think that is a huge amount of hidden track. I quickly decided on my end to end layout Little Brickhill to avoid hidden areas to make track cleaning etc easier. I made the station bigger than normal (8 tracks) to help storage and when I add a fiddle yard it will be spurred off in a straight line past the return loops so that everything is pretty much on the same level.
If you’re going to undertake all that work I would suggest going a stage further and moving the scenic boards up the wall a foot or so to give yourself the working maximum space and access. You could even look at arranging the fiddle yard tracks to slide out on a cassette again for access purposes.
Interesting points Chris, and well worth considering, many thanks Charlie
HI Charlie,
A very ambitious project, you've obviously done your homework. I'm sixty two, I hope I live long enough to see it! Well good luck and thanks for sharing,
Stay with me John on this one, regards Charlie
Smart choice Charlie! Getting into your track should be as easy as getting into your shirt, no bending required.
A good point Frank, well said mate
Like you I too have reached the point where I can't do the duck under or at least reaching that age, but saw it coming, you are in barkin on a really big change , I might suggest using the 3d part of Anyrail to check your clearances before deciding on how many turns in yor helix you really want or need . Looking forward to see how it all turns out....thanks for sharing....Jack 👍👍👍
Sound advice Jack, many thanks, regards Charlie
Thankyou for your Video. A most apppropriate and timely subject of access. Your points were heeded and will be incorporated into any of my future layout plans. I intend to have my representation placed at a high elevation, shoulder height (approx) in relation to myself which will or should enable easier access to the underside for wiring and if needed passing under by use of a wheeled deskchair. I could achieve this by incorporating higher benchwork and a raised centre floor... I might actually make a video of this project afterall.
It sounds like an interesting plan, good luck, regards Charlie
Being an old ex rugby player and climber I feel your frustration . We had a helix on our old club layout but found older Locos and formations of anything longer than 5 coaches really struggled .Also track cleaning was a pain. A friend of mine came up with a clever system where rather than a hinged board he had a small 3ft section which wheeled out .It is DCC and electric connections are maintained with flexible cables .He has never had a problem.
Thanks David and interesting advice too
OMG! It's a never ending story. I suppose it makes sense as we get older we have to think of the future. Good luck, I will be watching with interest.
It’s just a tale of woe, getting old!
Great change me thinks Charlie, alot more scenics and great storage really good ideas there can't wait for the update with all ☺
Thanks Justin, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it
I made a low seat on wheels, it’s not too bad getting down on to it but wait till you have to get up! The older you get the lower the floor gets. I’m 67. Good luck with the layout.
Alec
Age is working against us Alec, regards Charlie
I am going to have to think about this too and some stage as my railway layout board is on the floor at present and as I am 52 now , this new plan looks great I like the helix,s , talking of doing other things in your railway room I am off with my Avation group chairman to visit the Former USAF C-54 military version of the Douglas DC-4 on Sunday and a aircraft that saw actual service in the Pacific during ww2 now at North weald.
I'm so pleased that you enjoyed it ian. Stay safe. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie. Have watched all of your videos but have never commented. I love your presentation and the manner in which way you present yourself, your a very talented man hats off to you. I am an N gauge modeller and get lots of ideas from you, I to have just completed my own helix using a cutting down to a six lane storage area. However I would think on the idea of a swing gate or a lift hinged section, slightly offsetting the back scene allowing entry, maybe lift out and lock section, any of these would save you a lot off Time and effort. Anyhow it's your railway. Keep up the excellent work, I'll email you some photos of my shed layout. Good luck. BRIAN
Thanks Bryan, I can’t use the swing gate as it would need to hold around about 16 tracks. Good luck with your project, regards Charlie
Hi Charlie sorry to hear about your knee problem just when you thought and we thought chadwick was near to how you had planned it but your left knee just like my right knee thought no we’re not going to let that happen I had a large end to end in our loft then I had to have a knee replacement so that was the end of that because climbing loft ladders were just abit tricky but l have now got Beighton Parkway in my 8ftx6ft shed things are sent to try us but just like the phoenix we start again I am sure looking at your new layout plans which look great you will have trains back running again good luck with it as always keep taking the pain relief and run the hst
Kind Regards
Kev
Thanks for your understanding Kev, sit back and enjoy my new journey!
You’re very welcome Charlie throughout all your videos from MTD to the present day you have given model railway modelers inspiration to see what you have achieved and maybe tweak it abit for their layout loved the video of you washing the track in fairy liquid I was in stitches the video about track cleaning was informative about the different products available I have seen on another RUclips video a guy called Brian who helps with things about Railmaster which is the software that I use he uses dust monkeys that clip onto your wagon axles and then get pulled along so I have ordered a pack from Rails of Sheffield price £14.25 I will let you know how I get on keep safe
Kind Regards
Kev (Beighton Parkway)
It was a little spooky watching this video. I am also in my early 60's with bad knees (which will hopefully get replaced next summer). My primary level is 40 inches high to avoid bending. I am also using AnyRail, building multiple future versions, trying to squeeze as much track into the available space as possible. A helix or two may also be required at some point, depending on how ambitious I get. The only difference is that I am using N scale, and flex track for the long stretches. Negotiations are ongoing with the queen of the castle regarding how much territory is available for future expansion. I look forward to future updates.
Great comment Ray, good luck with your project too, regards Charlie
I think it must be more common than I thought (senior members with knee issues). I have a helix at one corner and a sort of double switch back across the other end layout which is like a horse shoe shape but please do not do what I have done by making the yard below only 10 inches below the main board (headache when issue with points etc). I made the helix from 4mm ply (main boards are 15mm). If you wish I could send a couple of photo's. Always look forward to your videos and your comments always make me laugh keep them coming.
Great comment Barry, you could send me the photos, my email address is at the end of the video. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie, enjoyed the video as usual. My belief is we always want to expand our layouts regardless of what stage there at. I hope you enjoy your challenge and I look forward following the adventure. Rgds from Down Under
Thanks Stuart, I’m so pleased I’m keeping you entertained.
What a great idea, Charlie! Not only will it save your poor knees and back, but it will add much more interest to the layout. It is always so much better to have a train disappear from view, only to have it reappear elsewhere. Still a tail chaser, but it will give the illusion of the train having actually gone off somewhere else. Of course, if you really wanted to be brave you could think of some way of incorporating a reversing loop, that would add yet another whole new scope of ideas for running sessions! But like I say, your new ideas are going to make a world of difference, practical, plus adding a lot of interest. Good luck with it all, and I hope you find those bits of curved track your looking for.
Thanks Steve, and I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the video. Regards Charlie
Charlie, I have solved the noise problem that is transmitted from the hard ballasted track. Thanks to the DCC Guy in America. I will cover the entire baseboard with up to 1/2 inch thick foam board and build the layout on top of that using 5mm foam trackbed. Now all I have to work out is will the Platforms and coach doors line up? Martin. (Thailand)
One problem that you may find is point motor operation. Good luck, regards Charlie
Good luckwith the helix. I took the same decision about a year ago and installed a 4-turn helix. I use this as what I think of as a "dynamic fiddle yard" in an automatic system and have laid four tracks on the helix. These use Peco setack radius 2, radius 3, radius 4 and a flextrack radius 5 equivalent. I had no problems with the short 16-to-a-circle radius 4 tracks. Indeed, the flextrack was more difficult getting a smooth curved joint particularly when using an insulating joiner. The main problem with a small radius helix is the gradient it requires. I only have about 5 mm clearance using 9 mm mdf + 3mm cork + 4.5 mm code 100 rail with a 3" (76 mm) rise per turn. This produces a gradient of 1 in 36 and 1 in 42 on my inner two tracks respectively. Keeping these two tracks for down trains has made the system workable although I laid these two tracks with DCC Concepts Powerbase just to be sure. It would be nearly impossible to lay this retrospectively.
My 4 tracks each form one cab control DCC section and are divided into storage "slots". The inner one holds 4 trains of up to 7 coaches plus an engine, the radius 3 track holds 6 trains of up to 5 coaches, the radius 4 track 5 trains of up to 7 coaches and the outer track 7 trains of up to 5 coaches. Block Signalling supplied the electronics to allow trains on the helix to index up one slot as required in automatic sequence. The system was not without teething troubles. I eventually installed Bachmann level-crossing style re-railers on the four entry tracks to avoid problems in mid-helix. These work. More difficult was the problem of uncoupling with the stop-start nature of trains indexing up or down the helix on tight curves. Sorting this out took months and is a story in itself. The havoc caused by stray stock running down the steep gradient meeting a train coming up can be imagined. However, all is now sufficiently reliable that I am planning to install a fifth track on the helix using radius 1 curves and maybe bi-directional trains. I have worked out a system for this but have not yet started construction as I have not yet found a satsfactory way of installing the necessary additional pointwork at the base of the helx. There is too little space and access is limited. I will persevere.
Thanks, Charlie, for continuing helpful commentaries.
Hi Graham, what an outstanding comment. It makes my Helix idea insignificant compared to what you have achieved. I totally understand the problems with couplings especially breakaways on the incline. My coaching stock is being converted to magnetic Hunt Couplings currently, and hopefully this shouldn’t present any problems. Power wise all my locos are diesels so should manage to climb without too much of a problem. I’ve worked out the incline to be approximately 1 in 48.
Wish me luck, regards Charlie
Powerbase is definitely the answer to any gradient rising more than 4% (0 to 4” in 8 feet), especially when factoring in the tight curve which in my limited experience almost halved the climbing ability of some of my trains. Woodland Scenics’ 4% Incline Set kept me honest when it came to the gradient and it bends really well around even the tightest bend. Not stackable in a helix though!
And i thought i was the only old bloke who got it wrong...12,000miles away..same 67, getting old duck under left knee going, but hey love it. In the mode now that less is more with my railway.
I'm so pleased that you enjoyed it Ian. Stay safe. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie. Exciting stuff. It was interesting that you mentioned a skateboard-like trolley to get under your layout. I bought in my baseboard and just assembled it today, having to lie down under it to fasten the bolts and wing nuts that hold the two halves together. The height of the baseboard is such that, lying on my back, I had to stretch upwards to reach the fastenings. I'm 64 years old and the body starts to complain! I'm still going to investigate that trolley.
And good luck with it too Paul, regards Charlie
Yay! More track planning and scenery videos! I like your idea and admire your persistence despite plenty of track plan changes!
I’m so pleased and I’m keeping you entertained mate, regards Charlie
Hi Charlie, that’s a large change. I’ve been worried 😟 about your knees kneeling at all those altars 😀 Good luck with the new plan I will stayed tuned further updates as and when you can.
I’m so pleased that you found it interesting Kevin, regards Charlie
My other comment is about the fiddle yard. You might want to either elevate the fiddle yard to eye level, or space the fiddle yard at least 3 feet between it and the upper layer/shelf. The idea being to have a very clear view of the fiddle yard. Here'one reason why: You might enjoy having friends over to have an "operations role play game" where you simulate the Chadwick Railroad, i.e., developing a train schedule(s) for a day, including track switching routes, train consist assembly, and then completing the schedule. Each friend takes a specific job/role. Forgive me if this is very common knowledge. One more reason for having more than 18 inch clearance between track layers/shelves is to give you more room for rewiring or other repairs...Hope this helps. EB
Some very good points there John, many thanks regards Charlie
I was 30 when I became a realist. We built a single Storey home the layout is dog bone wrapped around the room and all doorways facilitate a wheelchair in not in my 40s still in great shape but I know it gets harder climbing under but I will agree that the 5-10 year old me always dreamed of having a layout where you were in the middle to do it all of course at that age no budget no room so the standard 8x4ft layout was where it was but now when the limitations have been removed we have to think about the future I want to still be on my layout in my 80s as opposed to in my 50s and several hip replacements later ha ha. Local villagers what a delightful statement I envision the uk coziness of vicar of dibley or rockys estate in as time goes by either way I agreed I have a ratio for the model railway room 30% room for layout and rest for other stuff just makes for an enjoyable environment to really absorb the brilliance of the imagination and creative space you have put into fruition. It’s like the perfect piece of art it goes in a frame and is hung evenly spaced onto a wall and everything works together it’s the same here all in good time. Still that’s a lot of lolly on new track bussiness is booming only way to be keep it up. I’m disappointed it’s been what 10 years and Hornby rail master and track plan should be the same software and work a lot better than it does and for me I say this because I know they would make it very simple approachable any rail is great but a bit like the subscription to the new office outlook really does look flat especially now we pay I mean is this the best we could do anyway transgressing as always great vid stay safe party on.
An interesting comment Josef. It’s not a hobby it’s more of a way of life!, Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie. I have a friend who has made the bridge on his layout in a way that allows him to lift it so that he can access his layout and still have continuous running without having to have return loops.
That’s great as it’s so difficult to maintain perfect alignment. Regards Charlie.
Looking forward to watching the changes to the layout take shape Charlie . It’s going to be fun fallowing it along .
I’m sure that it will be a bumpy ride Jim
Hi Charlie, wow what a undertaking the very best of luck with it I'm looking forward to seeing your progress in the week/months to come. I've never seen a helix in operation, I've seen a real one when we visited Canada for my 60th birthday when we were lucky enough to see the kamloops tunnels, (think that's how you spell it not far from Jasper, it was fascinating to see a train coming out of a tunnel and the back end hadn't gone in yet.. anyway good luck with it should give us lucky people lots of interest in the future stay safe Eddy xx
I'm so pleased that you enjoyed it eddy. Stay safe. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie,
I have a total inability to bend and be on the floor, also lifting is not a good idea. I am in my 70's with health issues so I have to plan for the future as its not going to get any better. I have my layout on 5 cm thick ridgid foam base boards (almost the magic bullet for me) with everything accessed from the top. The wiring is buried in grooves burnt in with a cheap modified soldering iron and scenery mods are done with a hot knife and/or wire. I have never had much luck with bridge access so the track plan (AnyRail to the fore) is a dogbone around 2 room sides and a shunting layout over the top for all 3 sides. The distances are kept so I can acess the rails.
I hope this starts some thinking as I found the foam to be much better than the ply both in weight and cost
All the best with the next episode of your role of Chief Right Of Way Engineer..
Have fun and please stay safe
A great comment Peter, getting old isn’t as much fun as we might think it will be, regards Charlie
At last I've found someone that is doing things as I have done for decades... adopting an open frame, everything top mounted or imbedded in ridgid. (high density) foam base boards. No getting under the layout and everything at ones fingertips. All electrics on my layout are situated ina 100mm 'ditch' at the side including all point motors operating thru a torsion system, (rod & tube). No mounting point motors under points ever for me. I'm in the process of replacing my Canon HD vid camera after the flip-screen failed and Sony
would not service it as the camera was over 5 yrs old and put together a series of short videos of how my layout is built etc so keep watching Charlie.
I sympathise Charlie. I had a crawl under a few years ago and realised that it was going to be a problem later in life. I now have my layout at a height of 54 inches and being only 65 inches tall it is very easy to duck under even if I do sometimes misjudge it and hit my head! OUCH! The section does also lift right out if required but it is rarely needed.
My only negative observation of your new plan is the gradient of the Helix. With 3rd/4th radius it will be about 1 in 50 which with 8 coach trains will be a tall order for steam locos. If as I suspect your collection is all two bogie all wheel drive diesels then you will probably be fine. Good luck, it is looking like a mammoth project. .....................John
Yes you’re right John, I am a diesel kind of bloke. Regards Charlie
Very excited to watch these changes take shape! It looks like you're going to have a really nice layout.
Thanks Chuck, regards Charlie
Hi Charlie, great idea to use 2 helixes. Just a thought - it would add more flexibility to have a trailing crossing at each end of the fiddle yard.
You’re not the 1st to propose that John, regards Charlie
Hello Charlie, The rebuilding of your layout will certainly change the look and feel of it. I have been using Anyrail for about 6 months and I think I was at plan Z before I finally settled on a plan. So I have settled on a "C" shaped layout. This meant a complete reworking of my layout. I am turning 60 in November and my issue is my hips so my new layout was built high enough so I could sit in a office chair and wheel under the layout to do wiring. It is about 1500 mm off the ground. I have had issues getting Peco track here in OZ so I have been ordering from all over the globe. One end of my new layout sits ideal as I wait for some points to arrive from England. In the process of building the new layout I am changing the layout from Hornby control to Digitrax so every bit of wiring I have done has to be redone. I have found that learning how to wire for the Digirax system with block detection the hardest. I am going to use Train Controller Bronze for auto control and well as Digitax DT500 controller.
It will be interesting to watch your videos over the coming months to see how it progresses.
Exciting times for us both Peter, regards Charlie
Wow that’s a big rebuild. Really glad that you have been able to keep it a tail chaser layout though. Looking forward to seeing it come together
Thanks David, I’m so pleased that you found the video interesting, regards Charlie
Hi Charlie, great video as always. I like the new ideas for the layout too. Something you may find useful - when drawing track in Anyrail, right clicking on the first track drawn and selecting "add parallel flex ..." gives a prompt for the desired track offset (centre to centre) and then you select the side to put it. It makes drawing accurate plans very quick and easy. I typically use 50.8mm, but you can put any number you like. When laying settrack curves there is also an option to create a helix! Regards Barry.
Thanks for the tip Barry, I am slowly getting to grips with it thankfully. Regards Charlie
Interesting new project. You are lucky to have such a large room to play with.
Thanks John.
Wow what a lot of replies. It’s interesting because being of a similar age I too am suffering from a dodgy knee (or two) and my duck under is not going to work long term. I tried a lift out section secured with dowels which kinda works. I’m not a big believer in the helix concept I’m going to follow with interest. I have a simpler but not inexpensive solution! My layout is in a raised section of my shed/garage (30’x10’) to get up there I installed a spiral staircase at one end of the “loft”. So I’m just going to extend the loft about 4’ around the staircase so the staircase comes out in the middle of the layout! Will also give me another 10-15’ of track/scenery to play with :)
I'm so pleased that you enjoyed it Steve. Stay safe. Regards Charlie
Good decision Charlie, you will make it much easier for yourself.
Thanks David, regards Charlie
Good decision Charlie, I was watching one of Jenny Kirks videos where she slipped over on ice and damaged her knees badly. She is now doing what your about to do and turn hers into a walk through also. You don't want to be getting to old and crawling on your knees .
Old age is a dreadful thing Greg!
Hi Charlie I use anyrail (paid for) on my mac through a virtual windows OSI find it extremely easy to use and there are so many ways it can be used I found that by playing around with a small area you can learn all the additional "tricks"
Yes it really is a great piece of software Paul, regards Charlie
WoW !! Lots of exciting things to look forward to in up coming videos. As for your knee situation... take care. But there again that’s part an parcel of getting old... like me. Thanks for everything.
I'm so pleased that you enjoyed it Mo but don't get old!
Stay safe. Regards Charlie
Wow, that is a significant change to the layout, looking forward to seeing your progress with the changes.
Thanks Chris, wish me luck, regards Charlie
An ambitious, but logical, plan Charlie. Taking on a helix is a big move, 𝒕𝒘𝒐 is a huge move but, getting them professionally constructed should take a lot of hair-tearing out of the picture.
Your careful planning looks like very little of what's already built will be wasted; you've made the decision just in time. Assuming everything goes to plan, you're going to gain a good bit of scenic area to play with and you've loads of options as to how to use the two end sections.
I look forward to watching future developments. Good Luck !! 👌😁👍
Thanks mate, it’s great to have you on the side, regards Charlie
Two great videos this an last week and before you corrected the title Track Planing, I thought you had come up with another track cleaning solution :-) Being an engineer, I have never understood those track rubbers. I did buy that Dapol track cleaner when it came out and sense in constant use it will keep the dirt down using the correct fluid. In conclusion, that Anyrail s/w is very good; I used it for mine and just broke it up into 3x sections each of 52 components. The fact it then generates a parts BOM is great so you then know easily what you have to buy. Good stuff
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the channel, good luck and stay safe, regards Charlie
Great video Charlie as always judging by the comments you have made us all think about future building a layout luckily I’m still at the planning stage I’ve been watching and learning from you and other RUclipsrs. Well done and all the best.
I’m so pleased that you find it interesting Mark, regards Charlie
Drat. My initial Anyrail design 10 years ago was a helix-to-helix configuration. I eventually decided that the 4’ x4’ space required for each helix was consuming too much of the room, so the procrastination ended with me creating a regular layout similar to your current design. Made the baseboards nice and high, but I still regularly come up too early and gash my back on the framework, sending the odd scenic element flying , and filling the air with profanity. Needed your video 10 years ago Charlie. I must learn to procrastinate more...about 10 years more...
Great comment Peter, stay safe, regards Charlie
Morning Charlie,
I'm glad you brought this subject up as its something i hadn't thought about, be nice to see how it goes,
Thanks Mick, I’m so pleased that you’re looking forward to the adventure, regards Charlie
Late 60 here I have a belly over (4' deep) another good one charlie thanks
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Will
Hi Charlie, I am sorry to hear your are beginning to suffer with knee pains, can be very unpleasant.
The new track plan looks great and as always I very much look forward to seeing your progress with the new plans.
You asked for ideas in relation to helix scenic works.. My suggestion would be, the helix with the station/industrial or perhaps Tmd by the walk through (left side).
Would you consider doing a Dawlish setting?.
The trains would leave the top of the helix via a double track tunnel and run in front of some lovely scenic cliff faces, these could be scenically decorated as you wish, hope this is useful and maybe to your interest?.
Keep safe, well and happy modelling 😉👍
A couple of great ideas Dan, many thanks Charlie
Interesting changes, that plan is going to throw up some great running shots, nice long straight sections.
Look forward to seeing that come together.
Like that idea of the centre line in the fiddle yard that will enable trains to access either loop. Food for thought that!.
I’m so pleased that you found it interesting mate.
Makes perfect sense, Charlie. The proposed track plan is great. Certainly a mammoth undertaking, though. All the best to you, and especially your left knee! I am looking forward to follow the rebuild.
Thanks Michael, wish me luck on our adventure
I don't think you're going to need luck, but if you do, - All the best!!!
Good luck with your build can't wait to see our it progress
Thanks Robert, regards Charlie
A very big change happening! Sounds awesome!
Thanks Ben, wish me luck
Anyrail is very good. I have to design a lift up section so wifey can get access to the train control!
Now that’s a shocking modification, regards Charlie
AnyRail is great. Once you get the hang of doing flexitrack (its easy once you read the instructions!) you can create anything really quickly.
Yes, I agree Bill. But it does take a couple of hours to get the hang of it. Regards Charlie
Very good Charlie! I like your new idea!
Thanks mate, regards Charlie
Thats an incredible use of the space, it'll be well worth it!
Thanks Dan, regards Charlie
Wow Charlie I do admire your commitment and the extended layout looks great. So good to see your track plan is detail and good luck with the helixes, your a brave man sir. Look forward to the updates.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Bob
Smart decision Charlie. Looking forward seeing how the new trackplan proceeds.
//Stefan
Thanks Stefan I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it
Hi Charlie I have just started watching your most recent video and I notice in the background as your first class 125 coaches perhaps need a back to back wheel check as the front first class coach kicks just as it enters the viaduct and again as it comes out of the cutting. I look forward to see more of your scenic work as this is the hardest part for me to motivate myself to do. Cheers Patrick
Thanks Patrick, I'm so pleased that you enjoy the channel.
Thanks Charlie, look forward to watching the new layout progress. I recently purchased AnyRail $79 (Aus) to design my first layout and have found it immensely helpful even though I have only been using the basic features so far. Cheers Warren
I’m so pleased that you found it useful too Warren. I thought that it was reasonably easy to get started which is useful as only too often we try something and then think, why did I bother! Regards Charlie