If i could recommend two brakes, one is if you just want the best possible brake in a standard form factor, the Precison Armament Hypertap, its somewhat tunable but ive found tracks the best for my off a sandbag at Hunter matches. The second i would suggest looking into is the Strike Without Warning - Chad brake. I haven't personally shot one, but all the top guys are definitely running it. Its built more like a suppressor without a sleeve and theres a barrel tuner at the muzzle end. Good luck!
I decided this year to swap out my MDT Elite brake for an Area 419 Hellfire Match. Performance-wise, I think the A419 mitigates recoil slightly better, but the ease in removing/installing and timing is what really sold me. I also will sometimes take my match rifle out hunting and will swap out the brake for a can. The A419 Hellfire system makes this incredibly easy. Your analysis of downforce is very interesting though and something I never considered. Thanks for the info!
Great video and again, thank you so much for sharing. I am not a competition shooter! I like punching paper and hitting gongs to improve my shooting ability while hunting. I was not after less recoil, just a steady view down my scope on the target I was shooting at, just in case I needed a quick second shot. I've tried two on my 243 Tikka Aspire. I won't name them, but they both threw back very unpleasant concussion. The last one I tried changed the bullet impact dramatically it scared me! I decided to go back to my suppressor, as I can hit what I'm shooting at. There will be an MB out there that would work, but I don't have that kind of spare cash to chase my tail.
You had mentioned in the video that your positional shooting may not be how you want it, or something to that effect. I believe it would be interesting to see a series on your evolution of positional shooting. I know this will be somewhat personal, but nevertheless it would be interesting to hear what you corrected, how you corrected it and why. But not just the positions, but also how to maintain consistent shoulder pressure in those varied positions, how to diagnose a problem, etc. Thanks for another excellent and interesting video!
JP makes a well respected line of muzzle breaks. I am sure they might be considered white trash by PRS standards but they have had a track record of performing very well even in PRS.
Even on ARs their 3-Port breaks are no where near as good as more advanced brakes like an ultradyne or something that has angled ports. Their ports tend to be so you can see straight through them and they don’t direct the gases nearly as much. I have a JP rifle and I got it rebar and opted out from keeping their muscle break. They just don’t work as good because of the design. It looked amazing it was flush fit with the barrel and looked like 1 piece even though it wasn’t just didn’t perform
Have you ever tried clocking the brake to mitigate the "up and to the left" recoil impulse? I did this with timing washers on a big 30 cal 28" Douglas bbl until I got my perceived sweet spot. Looks funky but it works.
This is great. You are the only person I have seen to address the issue of oscillation caused by this brake. I've also seen it on the CHAD. I have a very similar setup - 6.5 CM in a MDT ACC Elite. I felt the achilles heel of this brake for me was shooting it prone with a bi-pod on a hard surface. It bounces. Now my barrel is not as girthy as yours but I could not isolate if it was chassis flex or barrel flex. Are you certain it is the chassis flexing? I'm about to re test between this brake and the TMB. The DN5 is much nicer to shoot with regard to felt concussion.
I have seen a rifle fall apart (lots of loose screws) with muzzle breaks that push down aggressively. Be careful out there. Vibrations are usually bad news. In this case, not even locktite could overcome the vibrations caused by aggressive downward pressure.
All muzzle brakes seem to make serious vibration that can loosen stuff. That is why I check screws regularly on the PRS rifles. They take an absolute beating.
@@winninginthewind i didn't get it until I saw Brandon Herrera's AK50 project. The brake with downforce makes the rifle flex like rubber in slow motion video. The problem went away when he swapped it for a straight brake. Its not ideal, but I actually prefer a can over a brake these days, but that brings with it a different set of challenges 😂
I ran a DN5 for most of this PRS season and liked it until I got the new Without Warning Chad. The Chad doesn't push down quite as hard and seems to lengthen the recoil impulse ever so slightly which to me feels better. It also isn't hitting me with concussion like the DN5 so that might actually just be most of the difference.
On a different note, since you are not really shooting F-class as much, and the 284 win is obsolete now since most guys are using the 7 PRC-W. Would you share your reamer print for your 284? Or make it available through Manson or JGS or whoever makes it for you. Thank you for making your videos and helping out your fellow shooters
How is the DN5 on the shooter? I was contemplating between that and the ACE, but after some research went with the ACR brake since its been reported to be super easy on the shooter. Normally I shoot suppressed so not looking for maximum efficiency but mostly maximum comfort since any brake is more effective than a suppressor
I found the DN5 to have a bit more concussion than the ACE. I could feel the breeze, especially overhead. I definitely will be using double hearing protection.
I need a little more time with it. I'll update when I get a solid hold on things. I've only shot one match with it so far, and need to really dig in some more.
That is the big question. Depending on total recoil and the other factors present, it can change the trajectory of the muzzle to an extent that allows viewing the trace through the scope. That doesn't mean it will compensate for poor shooting technique. It just helps a little. Those are my findings after 75 rounds with it. I'll be taking it to a match in October, and find out for certain if it is good, bad, or indifferent.
If i could recommend two brakes, one is if you just want the best possible brake in a standard form factor, the Precison Armament Hypertap, its somewhat tunable but ive found tracks the best for my off a sandbag at Hunter matches. The second i would suggest looking into is the Strike Without Warning - Chad brake. I haven't personally shot one, but all the top guys are definitely running it. Its built more like a suppressor without a sleeve and theres a barrel tuner at the muzzle end.
Good luck!
this is the best series on youtube. thank you for your content
I decided this year to swap out my MDT Elite brake for an Area 419 Hellfire Match. Performance-wise, I think the A419 mitigates recoil slightly better, but the ease in removing/installing and timing is what really sold me. I also will sometimes take my match rifle out hunting and will swap out the brake for a can. The A419 Hellfire system makes this incredibly easy. Your analysis of downforce is very interesting though and something I never considered. Thanks for the info!
I second this on the Area 419 Hellfire match. I have 5 on various rifles and think they mitigate recoil well and make spotting easier.
Great video and again, thank you so much for sharing.
I am not a competition shooter!
I like punching paper and hitting gongs to improve my shooting ability while hunting.
I was not after less recoil, just a steady view down my scope on the target I was shooting at, just in case I needed a quick second shot.
I've tried two on my 243 Tikka Aspire.
I won't name them, but they both threw back very unpleasant concussion.
The last one I tried changed the bullet impact dramatically it scared me!
I decided to go back to my suppressor, as I can hit what I'm shooting at.
There will be an MB out there that would work, but I don't have that kind of spare cash to chase my tail.
Excellent, informative video as usual, Thank You Sir for your generosity to create & share.
You had mentioned in the video that your positional shooting may not be how you want it, or something to that effect. I believe it would be interesting to see a series on your evolution of positional shooting. I know this will be somewhat personal, but nevertheless it would be interesting to hear what you corrected, how you corrected it and why. But not just the positions, but also how to maintain consistent shoulder pressure in those varied positions, how to diagnose a problem, etc. Thanks for another excellent and interesting video!
Nicely done on the test Keith
Thanks - I really enjoy this series.
JP makes a well respected line of muzzle breaks. I am sure they might be considered white trash by PRS standards but they have had a track record of performing very well even in PRS.
Even on ARs their 3-Port breaks are no where near as good as more advanced brakes like an ultradyne or something that has angled ports. Their ports tend to be so you can see straight through them and they don’t direct the gases nearly as much. I have a JP rifle and I got it rebar and opted out from keeping their muscle break. They just don’t work as good because of the design. It looked amazing it was flush fit with the barrel and looked like 1 piece even though it wasn’t just didn’t perform
Broken? Brakes for gawd’s sake…
Have you ever tried clocking the brake to mitigate the "up and to the left" recoil impulse? I did this with timing washers on a big 30 cal 28" Douglas bbl until I got my perceived sweet spot. Looks funky but it works.
Yes I have. It works!
This is great. You are the only person I have seen to address the issue of oscillation caused by this brake. I've also seen it on the CHAD. I have a very similar setup - 6.5 CM in a MDT ACC Elite. I felt the achilles heel of this brake for me was shooting it prone with a bi-pod on a hard surface. It bounces. Now my barrel is not as girthy as yours but I could not isolate if it was chassis flex or barrel flex. Are you certain it is the chassis flexing? I'm about to re test between this brake and the TMB. The DN5 is much nicer to shoot with regard to felt concussion.
I have seen a rifle fall apart (lots of loose screws) with muzzle breaks that push down aggressively. Be careful out there. Vibrations are usually bad news. In this case, not even locktite could overcome the vibrations caused by aggressive downward pressure.
All muzzle brakes seem to make serious vibration that can loosen stuff. That is why I check screws regularly on the PRS rifles. They take an absolute beating.
@@winninginthewind i didn't get it until I saw Brandon Herrera's AK50 project. The brake with downforce makes the rifle flex like rubber in slow motion video. The problem went away when he swapped it for a straight brake. Its not ideal, but I actually prefer a can over a brake these days, but that brings with it a different set of challenges 😂
I ran a DN5 for most of this PRS season and liked it until I got the new Without Warning Chad. The Chad doesn't push down quite as hard and seems to lengthen the recoil impulse ever so slightly which to me feels better. It also isn't hitting me with concussion like the DN5 so that might actually just be most of the difference.
U got to try the botnia solutions maxi brake, be cool to compare. SLM printed.
On a different note, since you are not really shooting F-class as much, and the 284 win is obsolete now since most guys are using the 7 PRC-W. Would you share your reamer print for your 284? Or make it available through Manson or JGS or whoever makes it for you.
Thank you for making your videos and helping out your fellow shooters
Which one. He has several.
How did any of these brakes affect accuracy?
That’s amazing 👍👍👋🤝
How is the DN5 on the shooter? I was contemplating between that and the ACE, but after some research went with the ACR brake since its been reported to be super easy on the shooter. Normally I shoot suppressed so not looking for maximum efficiency but mostly maximum comfort since any brake is more effective than a suppressor
I found the DN5 to have a bit more concussion than the ACE. I could feel the breeze, especially overhead. I definitely will be using double hearing protection.
Any thoughts after competing with this brake?
I need a little more time with it. I'll update when I get a solid hold on things. I've only shot one match with it so far, and need to really dig in some more.
by know means do I have the level of experience that you have or knowledge. I have a Ultradyne Apollo love it
How is that much down force useful, it’s just loading a reaction force that springs upwards, right?
That is the big question. Depending on total recoil and the other factors present, it can change the trajectory of the muzzle to an extent that allows viewing the trace through the scope. That doesn't mean it will compensate for poor shooting technique. It just helps a little.
Those are my findings after 75 rounds with it. I'll be taking it to a match in October, and find out for certain if it is good, bad, or indifferent.
Can you use those in matches
In PRS, Yes! No for F-class.
Try a zero down break and vary center of gravity height adjustment
What is this?
Yeah what is this?
@@jdrollason The Zero Down Brake you speak of?
You mean a brake that only pushes rearward, and move the CG vertically to be in line with the centerline of the barrel, right?
Get a suppressor.
I hear you - barely :)
You should not be paying for muzzle brakes with as many subscribers as you have, especially if you’re testing them and giving feedback and reviews
I hear you.
Is there a mb you've tried you don't recommend?
No. I might like one over another, but my context is not the next person's. It comes down to personal taste at times.