I really dislike this whole idea that once a woman is alone with a man for a second they have to get married or something. Meanwhile in Pride and Prejudice: Darcy and Elizabeth meet in the park, Darcy and Elizabeth have a private conversation with no one else in the room and absolutely nothing happens, no one cries "scandal" and forces them to marry. Also, how can books written in the Regency period be much less misogynistic than books written today? Imagine Darcy thinking: If I drag her behind the shed now I can ruin her and then she HAS to me marry me! Romance of the century.
While I agree, I do like how the fourth book did it a little differently. While it is the same trope as the other books, it happened one enough time for it to double as. I can’t take it anymore. I can’t say the words yet, but the actions of Colin was like “i love you. I want you. I can’t take it anymore. Marry me now.” And of course after Penelope loved this man for years, she was like “duh. Yes. Finally”
Yes! I think it's interesting just how low the bar is for historical romance heroes in contemporary novels. They seem to be much worse than characters written by authors who actually lived in those circumstances. Like, Mr. Rochester is kind of a shit but even he wouldn't disrespect Jane Eyre so much as ask her to be his actual mistress. And when she discovers that that's what she would've become if she'd married him, she straight up leaves, like *that's* how bad this move was.
To be fair, no one saw them alone. And they only time Elizabeth was alone with a man was with Mr. Darcy's cousin and they were very much in the open and in motion. In most of the Austen scenes (In any of her books) Even Fanny was rarely alone with her cousin. Anytime they are really alone is for the purpose of a proposal (or hoped for) or off to the side in a rather crowded situation. If you Google regency era rules for courtship, being caught alone with a man would result in scandal. Austen may have relaxed the rules a bit to keep readers engaged. Her works were filled with scandal: Pride and Prejudice had Wickham almost ruining 2 women. Sense and sensibility saw two women pregnant out of wedlock and it did ruin them. MaryAnn was the point of gossip at every turn for sending letters and riding off with Willoughby. Not to mention the unchaperoned tour of his house. had they been in London, no one would have associated with her. I could go on with each of the books. The biggest difference is that Bridgeton is a Romance series, which should be filled with pearl clutching moments. Austen was not actually considered a Romance or even Romantic writer. Her writing was considered as satire and social commentary.
i thought it was really funny, this one part in francesca’s book, micheal was like, "you can't find anything like english tea in india" or something like that and it just reminded me of how kate in the show is like "i despise english tea"
I'm super late but it's so funny to see Bridgerton fans on Twitter insist that Benedict's season must be exactly like the books when they've already made it so that's impossible. Anthony, the Viscount and head of the Bridgerton household, married Kathani Sharma, an untitled daughter of a clerk, who's second mother is titled, but her first & biological mother is not. Why would Benedict, who has less expectations placed on him than Anthony, AND takes his role as a Bridgerton less seriously, insist that Sophie must be his mistress because of her lack of title, when Kate is ALSO untitled? Plus, Sophie's father is actually of high status, whereas Kate's stepmother wouldn't really be considered her "real" mother by close minded high society types.
I like how you use first mother and the show says mother when referring to her first mom. I really hate that some people say only biological when the first mother in fact died. It sounds so clinical
In the books, Kate's father was a second son of a baron, I believe. They didn't have lots of money but were probably more respectful in society. The reason why Sophie would have been looked down on was because she was the illegitimate daughter to society that's still beneath them. Also, she was a maid, which was really looked down upon worse than an illegitimate. So yes, in the series, it shouldn't make a difference because of Kate's family history, but it does for Sophie's. It will be interesting to see how Benedict's story is played out.
I think there is so much potential to improve Sophie and Benedict’s story in the show. There’s a lot of room for the writers to take creative liberties and salvage them. Eloise’s story however…. I wanted to punch Phillip in every chapter.
It is my firm believe that TV Eloise just cannot - C A N N O T - end up with Philip. I have written it multiple times but I am going to write it again - that would be a character assassination.
Show Philip is quite different. He is quiet and seems to be caring for Marina and the kids (which aren't his in the show). Maybe they let Marina live and Eloise will end up with no one or someone else. Or they pair them up in the show but in a very different way.
The only things that i liked in Eloise's book was the banter between the bridgerton siblings and the relationship that grows between Eloise, Amanda and Oliver.
Hyacinth’s character in the books was basically given to Eloise in the show. Hyacinth really deserves better and I hope they do her justice when it gets to her story in the show!
@@zoelundy5561 They didn't 'give Colin's personality to Ben'. They gave him funny lines but they all just fell flat coming from him. Ben is exactly like he's in the books, minus the orgies.
Nah. After rewatching the first two seasons I noticed she still has the same personality. The inquisitiveness and the sharp mouth and fun sense of humor just like violet in queen charlotte. At least after reading the books I understand why we barely saw Francesca. The only person that went through a personality change is Daphne. I found myself relating to her a lot unlike show Daphne
I mean, I will say they alluded to Eloise being as she is in the show in the book but the show did it better. That being said, I don't see why they both can't be like this. The current Hyacinth in the show is exactly how i'd imagine her in the books and I Can't wait to see her character grow.
I hated everything about Eloise’s book - she deserved a partner who loves and appreciates her for who she is, not get annoyed at her for speaking her mind, leaving her to effectively parent on her own so he can focus on his hobbies. Phillip never really cares about what Eloise wants or who she trully is as a person, it made me sick to think that that was meant to be her happily ever after.
I honestly hope they don’t try and force Eloise and sir Phillip together in the show - I’d be happy is he has a happy ending with Marina and Eloise lives up to the line from Daphnie - of her making her own way in the world. I can see her as someone who’s happy ending includes going to University and fighting for what she believes in alongside like minded people like Theo.
Did we read the same book. Where Eloise's brother don't are embarrassed by her ability to shoot like a man, run like a man, ride like a man in their time. Philip respect her for it, thinks it's great that she is so strong and capable. He is the only one who sees her for herself. I do hat his interactions with the kids, but it is explained why he is so distant to them.
@@siusanofthewoodsexactly! I loved Eloise’s book. Sir Phillip is flawed & traumatised from his marriage to Marina. He tried to make her happy but nothing he did helped and that does take a toll (I’ve been there & it’s heartbreaking). He also was abused as a child & it shows. It is a very slow burn of a book but he gets there eventually with his mental health, Eloise & his children ❤
The point about Penelope and Colin's story is actually explained in one sentence "Isn't it nice to discover that we're not exactly what we thought we were?" This applies not only to what one knows about themselves (like Penelope's discovery of her inner power or Colin's discovery of his purpose) but among each other. They had put the other in a pedestal; Penelope thought Colin was a perfect charming god and Colin thought Penelope was the always-reliable sister with a candid aura, gullible and meant to be protected. And they discover so many things in one another that made them fall in love; Penelope's wit, Colin's passion, their childisness, their shared taste for writing; of course it's not presented until this book; we are discovering them as they are discovering one another. They met a long time a go but is only know that they see each other, like REALLY SEE, for the first time. It's a real slow burned friends to lovers.
About eloise's story Nothing can work out or happen in the show like that cause, eloise has a completely different personality and so does Philip, he was so polite to marina and respected her, unless they ruin the show with a sudden personality change
@@louisef2648 by “have sex with her after the children are born” do you mean rape her, while she is basically unresponsive? Mmm yeah, what ever did he do wrong to Marina?
I dunno, I think if the show does a time skip (which is needed for Sohpie and Penelope's stories) there's something to be said for how years of being forced to attend London seasons will effect Eloise. And a story with the general vibe of "person I only know through written word is not the ideal I imagined" and "I'm way over my head and totally ruining this life meant for my brother" could be relatable.
To be fair, I think it looks like the show runners know that book is shit. Marina was pregnant before they married, and they made sure to not make her Eloise's cousin, so to me, it's a sign that they mean to change it. My hope would be for Marina's death to truly be an accident, for that couple to never have been more than friends, and to pull a Jane Eyre and make Eloise go be a governess for the children instead of going there specifically to get married. And from the way they've written the male romantic leads in the show, I truly don't think they'd take Sir Phillip Crane's book personality, especially since we've seen what type of guy Eloise would be attracted to. There's no way they'll do a faithful adaptation.
I think they could. Marina was never "Happy." per se The book does point to the fact that she was engaged to his brother and that he died. Who's to say that her feeling obligated and trapped in a loveless marriage could not lead down a similar path. We only see a few moments of Sir Philip and I imagine having a wife who very clearly feels nothing for him would lead to frustration and a personality shift. I am currently reading this book now and do see quite a bit of similarities in both versions of Eloise's personalities. They are both restless, feel overwhelmed by familial and societal pressures.
I don't know I can see a Eloise writing someone and then running off. She doesn't love the social life. Back in the 1800's there are countless ways to die that don't include the original plot.
Damn it sucks hearing that Benedict and Eloise have the worst books because they're my favorite Bridgerton siblings in the show! Maybe the reason they're switching Colin and Benedict's stories for Netflix is because Colin and Penelope already have that pretty solid foundation, and they just know that Benedict's story needs a complete overhaul so they needed more time to plan. Which is also hopefully the case for Eloise's story because YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And you talking about Francesca, Gregory, and Hyacinth's romances also got me excited to see their character development in the show because we literally know nothing about them right now, but they have interesting and unique journeys in their future!!
@@FullofLit yeah i definitely think that makes sense to introduce those characters and plotlines in the background of the main story so we have the next several seasons set up, and it also gives them time to make the necessary changes before they become the focus
I'd honestly be pretty shocked if season 3 didn't kick off with the ball and then do a time jump. While the masquerade is obviously a core element of Benedict and Sohpie's story, I also actually really like the brief mention of it in Romancing Mr. Bridgerton. Penelope reflects on her experience finally feeling like she was acting true to herself but then despite how wonderful that was not being able to do that again once the masks were off. I also think it would be cool if in Benedict's season the audience who doesn't know the books might plausibly not know, just like Benedict, that she was the woman from the ball until it's revealed through whatever.
I am hoping that they introduced the idea of Eloise being with someone of a lower station in this last season because they plan for her to marry someone like that.
I always think that Colin being mad about Pen as Whistledown was a bit thin honestly. His anger seemed out of proportion. That’s one of the things I like about the series addition of the Marina storyline. It really does give him a reason to be a bit mad about that.
Yes! His jealousy and insecurity over her success made this my second least favourite book out of the series (plus the fact that he only realises his feelings after Penelope loses weight). I also found that most of the male leads all sort of blur into one another, especially in the first five books.
@@OryxArya Actually according to the books pen looses weight in her second season in the marriage mart which was when she was 17 and colin falls in love with her like 10 years later so
I've said this many times before, but I really think that it would be hilarious if they had the drawing room scene and transfer it to Portia insisting that Colin wants to marry Prudence. Mostly because Bessie Carter would kill that scene. I giggle just thinking about it.
I was so glad the drawing room scene got a special shout out in this video because it's hilarious and perfect! Penelope's tired acceptance, Colin's mounting frustration, the complete pandemonium of the Featheringtons (the two youngest sisters excepted) trying and failing to find a second brain cell. I feel like Newton and Coughlan would really nail it.
I hope it shows her fainting. Since we don't have Felicity, someone better faint. It better be Portia because it would be funnier. I could imagine her falling backward and her feet going in the air. Plus, it would be unexpected to see her daughter engaged to a Bridgerton.
I love Sophie as a character, but the first time I read the book (and even now) I hate book!Benedict. No matter how much people say he's a product of his time and class, he sucks. He still sucks. He apologises in the end, but that doesn't change he spent more than half of the book being an entitled ass.
I don't buy that excuse. Does anyone see Mr Darcy sexually harassing his staff into giving him sexual favours? And that is a character written during the regency era. I can't see any of Austen's heros doing that. Her villains though ... They'd be the ones making offers of that nature to young, vulnerable women.
Benedict is my favorite character in the series but just thinking about his book makes me cringe hard. There's nothing endearing about him personally, and the story... reading about a vulnerable woman who narrowly escapes sexual violence to spend the rest of the book being sexually harassed by her boss and having it treated as love was certainly an experience. One I don't want to repeat. I'm begging the showrunners to do a completely different story for his season.
I liked the Cinderella story line! And he wasn’t harassing her. Kinda funny u forgot about the part her she was watching him swim naked but gotta choose to make ur point
@@billyjean8057 I would say "since when two wrongs makes a right?" because yeah, kinda shitty of her to not turn around instantly, but we can't even compare those two situations. She saw him naked. He keeps trying to coerce her all the time. He kidnapped her even! She is not a menace to him, but he is a menace to her at whatever level you choose to analyze it. I mean, it's fiction, idc, but jesus, I can't stand this writing choices.
@@billyjean8057 Lol thank you!!! I've had to stop looking at Bridgerton books comments and forums for this exact reason. These people will hype up what the men do into something horrid, yet completely ignore what the women do that is the exact same 🙄 I used to try and defend the men and bring awareness to the women, but nah, it's better for my peace of mind just to roll my eyes and ignore it. But I love to see others calling out the double standards so thank you!
@@giovana4121 well tbh he blackmailed here there’s a different 😂 and secondly why u reading from a 21st century mind this book is based 19th century being a women back then alone was very danger. And Benedict didn’t force her to do anything she didn’t want to do.
@@billyjean8057 Because it's not written in the 19th century ? Because it's not historically accurate ? You sound like those people defending bad fantasy saying things "it was like that back then in the middle Age" this is a trashy romance novel not a history textbook. Lol don't mind me I'm not commenting usually but your comment was kind of both dumb and pretentious.
Hyacinth is BY FAAAAAAR the best Bridgerton! The best character in this entire series! Hyacinth and Gareth are fucking adorable badasses! They are everything!!! I have never laughed harder reading a Bridgerton book than i did this one!! I had so much fun!! Best book in the series! Not even a competition! I REALLY hope they nail it in the show! We don't even have them cast yet and it's already the one i'm most excited for in the show!
love Gregory's as well. I thought there were some funny moments like the big throwdown at the wedding, even Hyacinth getting involved, and Colin. I feel like Gregory's was dark towards the ending, really different from the rest of the Bridgerton siblings.
In the 19th century, a governess was often thought of as "between" the people upstairs and the ones downstairs. She was neither fish nor fowl. It had more status than being a servant, but by being singular, being a governess was often a very lonely profession.
I was about to write the same thing. We all get a very rose colored idea of what a governess would have been based on Jane Eyre but that's really very much an exception to the rule because Rochester is eccentric and eventually falls in love with Jane. But in reality being a governess was really annoying incredibly lonely and depressing existence.
I know it’s Shonda and I know the popularity of the show is high, but Netflix is not known for keeping their shows around for very long. And Bridgerton is expensive to make, so I not only wonder if we will see all 8 stories, but also how long the actors will stay around. Jonathan Bailey, for example, must have so many offers and Bridgerton has a long shooting schedule. Will we see him and the other leads as we move forward? (If we move past season 4 that is). Rege already bounced and I think Phoebe is also done now, so I wonder how long we will keep this cast we love.
@@FullofLit Hopefully having multiple love stories per season will save us the Cousin Jack debacle we had this season because they won’t have enough screentime for bad subplots 💀
I agree I think they'll make Polin and MAYBE another season. Two if we're lucky. I think they'll swap Hyacinth's book arc and give it to Eloise instead and we won't see Gregory and Hyacinth as show seasons. I'm still hoping for Francesca's bc 🔥 Benedict...... I have no idea
@@Annikina They have confirmed 4 seasons so we will get at least one more season after Polin. I’m convinced we will get Benedict as the lead for that. I have no doubt in my mind about that. I’d bet that when the show was renewed through season 4 he was promised a leading season.
@@ericanicolee909 yeah that seems more likely given that his character is already introduced and we've seen absolutely zero of Francesca. I just wonder how they'll translate his arc, I hope they make some changes so it's not so cringe-y
I can’t speak for everyone but I am looking forward to it because show Eloise and Philip are different from the book characters, they’re both great actors, the show has not disappointed me in any way yet and I think they will make a great match when their time comes. I don’t doubt that their casting was very intentional and that they’ll have amazing chemistry, since they introduced him so early on.
If show-Eloise's "growth" arc is her just making up her mind to get over her very legitimate fear of childbirth because well she wants the D and somehow the women closest to her have defied statistical odds and survived a record number of childbirths without injury or death...I will riot. She's not wrong and I will elbow Daphne in the head if she uses, like, two anecdotes about herself and their mom to persuade Eloise that pregnancy and childbirth is totally fine and nothing to be worried about because if you are in love and believe in yourself and know that you are a Bridgerton there is nothing you cannot do and that includes defying death. :/
I know it won't happen because no show would make me this happy, but when considering tv versions of Eloise and Philip's story I would be excited to see Ace Philip. Having them end up in a happy, romantic marriage where they raise their step children with love? Would be beautiful. Since he's already not the kids' biological father I'd be happy to jettison him ever having slept with Marina or wanting to creep on Eloise like that.
If Netflix does give the series more seasons, I truly believe El will end up with Phillip. But they will change a lot, including this. Perhaps mutual decision to be careful? Or sweet acesexual romantic pairing? But it is gonna happen. I feel bad for Marina, but I would argue show gave her much more and she was supposedly color-blind casted. I really like her character in the show, as she is greyish and she is not presented as either good or villain. I suspect she will save twin(s) from drowning and then die due to ilness, leaving Phillip broken and with utter guilt. Not sure how will they do it with Marina's actress and Shondaland having icy relationship now... El and Phillip will likely meet beforehand. Perhaps El becomes governess or apllies for the position. Or Phillip gets her into academy in disguise? Either way, I would be surprised if El just showed up out of nowhere like in the book.
This is why I still like the idea that if she is going to end up with someone, it will be someone like Philip who already has children. Not necessarily show Philip, maybe someone else who has children
According to me, the rankings are as follows: 1.) Francesca and Michael - When he was wicked 2.) Hyacinth and Gert - It's in his kiss 3.) Penelope and Colin - Romancing Mr Bridgerton 4) Kate and Anthony - Viscount who loved me 5) Daphne and Simon - The Duke and I 6) Gregory and Lucy- On the way to Wedding 7.) Sophie and Benedict - An offer from Gentleman 8.) Eloise and Phillip - To sir Phillip with love
The violent altercations are defo not funny it's not just you and they border on harassment sometimes I stopped at book 2 because I absolutely hated it (loved the show tho) I couldn't get over the scene where he KICKED her really hard?? I saw a lot of people complaining about the fact that they didn't include the office scene in the show because "it included so much funny banter" but like I'm sorry how is that banter? and how is it funny?
Riiiight I wasn't planning on watching S2 tbh because I really disliked book Anthony but then I came across the you're the bane of my exitence scene on twt and instantly watched the whole thing and I haven't been the same person since so happy about the changes they made
Colin's arm grip / champagne glass moment especially felt really out of character for him and I am happy to chalk it up to a failing on Quinn's part as an author that she always has to have SOMETHING like it in all these stories. And I loved the book series. But even when they came out it was big yikes.
@@orin6330 Oh, he's supposed to be doing the tender couple thing of holding their champagne glass while they drink from it thing but instead he pours too fast on purpose or something and it's uncomfortable? She definitely doesn't like it. It's been a few months since my last read so someone should correct me if I'm wrong.
I think that with good care and intentive, the writers can make the story work. They seem to be very good so far. But they would have to throw most of things through window. Sir Phillip might work on paper as a man who does not really know how to connect with anyone in any way (basically suceeding through the sheer luck, like when he connected with Colin), who does not parent because he refuses to be his father but does not know what else to do and how to be a patent. Sort of like Simon, perhaps - he never wanted children, nor a wife, but when Marina showed up with the babies of his brother, he stepped in. You can even make him actually fall for Marina, but knowing very well she will never look at him that way. And then after she departs, he thinks that the children need a mother-figure. Eloise could through the sheer luck bond with the children, and Phillip offers her to be a governess/wife. Then you can let them slowly grow to their feelings in some natural way. Another possibility: Phillip and Eloise fall for one another... as Phillip is still married to Marina and he does not want to dishonor his marriage, and make Eloise a mistress.
I’m so glad you did this, because I refuse to read Julia Quinn’s “I don’t write Black characters because I want my books to have happy endings” behind. Thank you for this.
32:05 I'm thinking that when Colin and Penelope get together, they're going to go traveling and Colin writes his book and Penelope does her articles and they end up this powerhouse publishing couple.
I guess it’s a generational thing, but I find it so interesting that these stories and the heroes are so often called out for casual misogyny. On the one hand I hope that viewers/readers take into consideration both the time when they were written (big strides have been made in 20 years) and the time in which they take place (when women could not own property, have a bank account, get divorced, or walk around unchaperoned). On the other, it’s very heartening that young women especially are aware of it and calling it out. If you’re in the US, I hope you’ll vote and do all you can so we don’t slip back toward the 19th century.
Yeah, the "sensibilities"(if you will) of the early 2000s were quite different already from those of the 2020s alone-even without factoring in the 1700s historical time periods the fictional stories are set within. There are some people, like FullofLit[ in this video], who do take that into consideration.... but, unfortunately, I think there are also some people out there who actually don't realize just how different things used to be at all; OR who don't personally see the difference between understanding/forgiving/ that or whatever versus actually condoning it as totally acceptable.
But we don't see this kind of explicit misogyny in the notorious romantic novels actually written in that time period. Of course, the structural misogyny is present throughout, but I don't remember reading women being explicitly referred to as men's properties or reminded directly that they are supposed to obey their husbands in any of those novels, and certainly not in romantic settings. The way Julia Quinn includes this kind of remarks in romantic or sexual exchanges between the characters gives a vibe of humiliation fetish.
@@marygoround5378 I mean... fair point. It does[ come off a bit like a humiliation kink or something]. But, then again, just..hypothetically....IF you _were_ someone was told since childhood or kinda just 'knew' because it was just the way things were all around you that your eldest male relative and/or husband controlled everything[ or that you as a male would control everything for your daughters/sisters/wives/etc.]..you either A.) Might not even think to mention it because it was simply too commonplace and already known to note or to need saying constantly &/or you might not realize there even was any other alternative way to compare it to since it was just everyday commonplace for you {things that may seem notably wrong or unusual or worth mentioning to modern readers might not seem notably wrong or unusual or worth mentioning to historical persons} & 2.) IF you DID dislike that about your life or wish it could be different you might write for your romances about an escapist fantasy version of the world in which it wasn't so rather than writing romances in which it was so. I mean.... do you constantly walk around telling people[ or your phone] "This is MY phone" or whatever? Does it make it any less your property just because you don't feel the need to constantly say so? (There's also the fact that the way people spoke &/or thought, in general, was also just fairly different from how it is now. So they wouldn't always use at all the same words to say or describe things as we would, and the things in general that they even would or wouldn't write about or mention at all also oftentimes differed plenty from things that we might openly write about now.) So, you can't necessarily completely judge what actual everday life might have been like based off of [potentially idealized / possibly best-case-scenario ]fictional stories alone. There is also the fact that, even if it was the exception and not the rule in reality, more modern fiction tends to make the exceptions more commonplace purely for the dramatic effect or whatever too, not just the negative exceptions but also the positive exceptions. For better or for worse.
@Constance Haisma-Kwok thank you for saying this, all of it, including the voting, being politically active and not slipping back into the 19th century! I was kind of getting impatient with the review but I realized it IS a generational thing. I think being of a different generation, I as a reader was more tolerant of the misogyny and parental abuse that occurred (not excusing it, just moving on). I do hope that they change, significantly, the books when adapting to tv. Also, just to reiterate, please vote and stay politically active!
When my sister first watched Bridgerton she said "I can't wait for Eloise's love story" and my only response was "Oooooh Emma. You poor soul! Only if they change absolutely everything about everything!"... My sister couldn't understand why I got so heated when I realized Sir Philip will be a part of the show. I really hoped they'd cut him out completely. I hoped they'd give Eloise Hyacinth's storyline since I don't have faith the show will last long enough for me to see the book I want to watch!
I will always say, for the Viscount who Loved Me, Netflix made Anthony so much better but it also made Edwina so much worse. I'm mad for Edwina. Just let her have her nerd who likes to read.
If it hurt to see how much Anthony grieves for his father, imagine what will be like to see John's death. I love how Francesca's book deals with heavier themes. That letter Janet writes after being told of Frannie and Michael's wedding 😭😭😭😭😭
I actually agree. (Although I'm a little biased against pregnancies being introduced just to be lost, it's mildly triggering for me in a way I think because I remember my mother miscarrying the first pregnancy she had after I was born, but there are some things that do manage to pull it off without it seeming too much like they're just using it as cheap heartstring-tugging or purely drama or such..and/or slightly other ways that particular aspect could play out maybe even without otherwise altering too much. I'm a sucker for well-done triangles & or loves-lost / second-loves and or characters bonding over a mutual loss of someone who was important to both of them.)
Show Benedict is quite different to book benedict and with a few changes, his book and romance will be epic. I think the assault and saving scene should happen, but Sophie should fight back more. Benedict shouldn't ask her to be his mistress, but should want to marry Sophie, but she won't let him give up his family for her (cause a man marrying a servant in those days would be scandal and his family would have to shun him) also show Sophie being the one to initiate the first kiss between them. Also francesca book is seriously hot, I can't wait to see that one (please let is have season 6 for her)
The bar is so low with the Book!Bridgerton men that it has become a tripping hazard in hell, and yet, there he is, Phillip Crane, limbo dancing with the Devil!
I love Gregory's book because of how over the top it is. I think it is a perfect way to wrap up the entire series. I love that Gregory is not the same as his brothers. And furthermore, I love that so much of Gregory's story, if it gets a season, will be a wrap up of the entire series and things he has heard before. For instance, his mother telling him that he doesn't fight for things and him choosing to fight for Lucy and ruin that wedding will definitely be a call back on the show to Anthony's disaster wedding as well as his talk in the last episode where Anthony describes to Gregory that Edmund Bridgerton was willing to fight for every thing, too. Gregory being a poor shot is gonna have call backs to Anthony being a poor shot and the duel from season 1, but also that scene in Eloise's book where are the brothers visit Phillip and they have a shooting competition. Gregory was okay then...but for consistency, they will likely make him a poor shot. Anyway, I think it would be awesome to see this season on screen because I think it would be a great way to sum up the series in general. I enjoyed Gregory, Hyacinth, and Francesca's books a lot, more so than Eloise and Benedict. Maybe more than Colin and Anthony...it depends on the day. I think Francesca's book is the sexiest. And I think Hyacinth's book is the most fun.
I think you're onto something about the potential callbacks-and the over-the-top-ness of it all, in fact, actually kind of being THE appeal of it. I haven't actually read it[ or any of the Bridgerton books] yet, but that basically sums up exactly why even though this video criticized it (and fair enough so) I still found myself kinda just feeling like I totally wanted to read it anyway because I might somehow enjoy it actually because of all that. ^-^
It's my favorite book and so many people drag it. But I love that unlike his brothers Gregory knew he wanted true love and was optimistic about it. His book is so fun and over the top. But it makes sense, like he saw 7 siblings fall in love and people just expected him to be the same lol. Like why?! And I agree with you his book should be last as a great callback to previous books/show
@@jacquelinelugo5518 Gregory has basically been sitting there watching all of his siblings marry for love, all his brothers fall in love with their wives. And so he expects that. I loved his energy, his optimism, and his earnestness. Reading that wedding scene, reading him climb through windows to see Lucy, or running to get to her reception. I can totally get his frantic energy during the second half of the book. It feels exuberant.
@@fizzychizzy Yes, it shows that he will fight for what he wants. He never put a front or pretend to Lucy who he was. He knew that since he was the second youngest and didn't have the same pressures as his brothers. That he was extremely privileged and didn't actually work hard for anything. But once he gets that drive, he works hard for it. I love that he could tell Lucy was selfless enough that she would never run away with him. Like yeah him kind of kidnapped her wasn't great, but you understand why he did though
@@jacquelinelugo5518 I get that too. And honestly, Lucy understood, too. She gave him that hour to try his best. And isn’t that a call back to season 2 when Anthony describes Edmund to Gregory and says he was willing to fight for everything. I thought about that when I read his book. It’ll if they show Gregory’s season, it will be full of callbacks.
I'm really looking forward to When he was wicked because it was actually my first Bridgerton book I had read and it introduced me to the Bridgerton series. I'm glad they've changed the actress to someone who's older and I read the new character description of Francesca as someone who's a mystery from a extroverted family. I love that even though she's quite an introvert, her book is the smuttiest out of all the series and I'm overall excited to see her story unfold. I love how independent she is. My favourite Bridgerton books are; Francesca's book, Polin, Kanthony and Hyacinth's
literally just hearing you talk about eloise's book not having read it myself makes me want to create an anti-tbr and make it #1, like nope that is just not canon in my eyes idc baby girl deserves so much better
I have only read the second book, and to me the bee scene, the library scene all seem so strange(edit: book versions of the scenes). What person would react like that, that is not how PTSD works or humans behave. Edwina, in the books, is a placeholder character with no arc, only there to assuage the reader's fear of a possible complexity among the sisters. The character motivation are also hard to digest, like Anthony believing he will die before 38?! He wasn't a 10 year old child when his father died, why would he make up something like that. The witty banter/enemies-to-lover dynamic was dumped in the last 1/3rd of the book, I don't know why. And everyone says this is the best books of all. All in all, the book had some good ideas but the poor execution took it all down. In my opinion, S2 took the ideas and ran with it. It has its flaws (featheringtons screen time and maybe the wedding melodrama) but I am obsessed with Kanthony and Anthony's arc is so beautifully done. The multiple love confessions are what romance is all about. In fact, I think S1 suffered because it followed the books a bit too much(Ep6). I am more worried at this point that the writers would FOLLOW the books more than they should (I had anxiety before S2 that they would adapt that awful bee scene) When I read online comments about how they should have followed book plot in S2, I go like, "really? why?" there are good concepts but they are wrapped up in bad scenes, the quality of story really feels at wattpad level sometimes. Before the show, nobody listed Bridgerton as their favourite romance series. This isn't Austen. Let them adapt for the medium
I was a book reader first and I'm all for the changes. The show creators have clearly been showing a lot of love and care for the spirit of the books, and they only honor them by finding ways to improve the source material. ETA: An adaptation is an adaptation - if people don't like changes they should stick to the originals.
I mean... the bee scene could definitely have been PTSD triggering, watching your father die suddenly right in front of you and then getting thrust into not just "man of the house" / "head of the household" responsibilities in general but having your mother's and unborn baby-sibling's lives at risk and could be literally in your hands to decide could definitely mess you up and it all having been started by a bee-sting could make bees strongly associated with that trauma for life, but it definitely shouldn't have turned into a kiss/arousal/ or whatever..that made it hella weird, in my opinion. 😶😐👀
@@jaginaiaelectrizs6341 i meant the book versions of the scenes. In the book Anthony never sees the death, nor does he know for sure it's a bee sting. And when Kate gets stung he starts sucking on her breasts. Just no. Stop this nonsense book.
@@stillhere95 Ah- geeeeze. Well, that makes the complaint make perfect sense then; sorry, my bad. YIKES! (Was he trying to suck the venom out like it was snake bite for some reason or something?🤦♀️ OY.) Stop, indeed.
@@jaginaiaelectrizs6341 He WAS trying to "suck" the venom out. And they get caught like that by several moms - including Mrs. Featherington (lol) and are forced to marry. The entire Edwina wedding plot was added.
Gregory's story is actually my favorite. It was so unhinged but it kept me reading it. The fact he wanted to love and be loved was genuinely so wholesome. So I saw him as doing the most in line with his character. He loved her and was going to put up a fight for her til the end
47:28 - They are ALL "the greatest rake"... because they aren't all the greatest rake, at the same time. 🤔 And obviously, once one of them settles down and marries happily ever after or whatever, then that particular one is no longer even a rake at all.🤷♀️🤷♀️ (I dunno, I'm just making this up on the fly purely in-theory here, right now.) Lol 😂 _Like, one of them was the greatest rake of their time, and then they retire and the next takes over as an even greater rake!! 🙀 ???😁🤭🙃🤣🤣🤦♀️☺️😏 idekk_
I’m hoping they change Eloise’s endgame preferably to Theo. Show Eloise is completely different from book Eloise, she’s a lot more outspoken on being against marriage and literally despises/has a fear of children, in the books she’s the favourite auntie. She needs someone (like we saw with Theo) that she can banter back and forth with to keep her interested. I don’t think she can do this with show Phillip as they’ve made him too similar to Colin, Eloise spent the whole season complaining about how boring he is. I’ve seen some people say that Eloise will ‘mature’ and then she’s suit sir Phillip but no amount of maturing is going to fix it without entirely changing her character. Eloise’s book was so disappointing and frankly disgusting (I don’t see many people talk about this but Phillip SA’s Marina) so I’m hoping they just scrap the whole thing.
I don’t think they would have introduced Marina and therefor Philip in season 1, if they weren’t going to pair him with Eloise.. the casting and basically everything in this show is very intentional. In season 2 they are already setting up the story for Marina being unhappy and not being a very nice, loving wife to Philip. I think Theo is more of a plot device for Eloise’s character development and story.
@@kristywotte This could be but I really hope it’s not. Phillip is just horrible and they would have to completely changes most of the events in the book that happen with them. I have a feeling that they introduced Phillip and tho to make the story more complex and to throw people off. And her getting with Theo is very true to her cheer her in the show. She is against everything high society stands for and getting with Theo perfectly asserts that. Theo is also opening her eyes when it comes to classism and is already helping her grow I just the little time we saw of them in season 2. But I understand what your saying also.
@@IsabellaL9659 Yeah I get what you’re saying and I understand why Philip isn’t a fan favorite for some of the readers, but a lot of the bigger Bridgerton reviewers/creators have been saying that there seems to be an agreement in place with Julia Quinn to keep the main couples and I think it makes sense for her to request that. They’re also creating tv-show covers for all of the books, with the tv couples on it, which wouldn’t work for Eloise and Theo haha. Either way, I’m sure they’ll make it an amazing season when the time comes!
The only way I could see it working is if he is left with the twins and copes as badly as Eloise would, and they can be a disaster together so they are the same level and have an equal partnership. I almost threw the book when she decided she wanted babies and to be a wife. It was not her at all.
I watched this almost 2 hour video in one sitting and enjoyed every second of it! Felt like 20 minutes honestly... Your content is 10/10 Daria! Keep it coming girl!
Penelope is by no means thin in the book. “Pleasantly rounded”. But I’m glad they didn’t for Nicola to lose weight for the role. She fine the way she is. right now I’m here for Kate n Anthony/ Penelope n Colin’ stories. They are my faves right now. I liked Daphne n Simons story minus that one scene. But they modified it on the show which was somewhat better I guess. The show is going to differ from the books. And possibly for the better because not all the stories pop w excitement and not every character is suave n magnetic. I can appreciate both as two separate worlds. The literature and tv entertainment. It’s just fun. Especially for a diehard romance girl like me.
I agree. Francesca's book gave me everything I needed and I loved Michael. I hope they do them justice in the show. And I love Hana Dodd. I've seen her in the flowers in the attic origins and she is really amazing with that switch between naive and really wicked as her book husband would say :P
Years ago, a friend gave me a stack of Regency romance books she had already read. Included were all Bridgerton novels. I have to admit I started reading Daphne's story and stopped somewhere in the middle because it was just not my thing. Just no connection to the heroine and the hero and, to say it plainly, boring. The Bridgerton saga resided in my bookshelve for years, unread. After watching (and loving) the show (S1) I re-read Daphne's book and again, I wasn't impressed. The whole chemistry between Phoebe and Rege-Jean just didn't exist in the book, it was still boring. Anthony's book was a little better, there were some charming scenes, but Edwina was just an accessory to fill the story a little and after the bee sting scene it was mainstream again... not much better. Benedict's story was even worse, the two main characters weren't eye to eye, but on a much different social and emotional level. In my opinion the two main characters of a romance MUST be on the same level. Even in the classical "prince and scullery maid" trope the prince lifts the scullery maid to an equal level, the story won't work without it. I read the five books following this more diagonally, they just weren't interesting. Ok, Francescas story has a few steamy scenes, Eloise had a few charming scenes with the kids and I loved Hyacinth interacting with Lady D, especially at the Smythe-Smith musicales. Can't really remember anything from Gregorys story, something about missing diamonds? That said, I LOVE S2!!! Shondaland made a COMPLETELY different story out of a mostly boring book. Ok, one could argue that the whole wedding thing was a bit to much (and the Featherington plot stole Kanthony very valuable screen time), but overall it was MUCH MUCH better than the book (thank god...). I just hope the new show runner is able to make a silk purse from a pigs ear in S3. I have no intention to look into the books again. This all shows me that the original series doesn't age well... Shondaland is well advised to take a few key scenes from them and reinvent the whole thing.
Not to mention in Eloise’s book, Phillip crane talks about having “marital relations” with marina and said how she LAID THERE AND CRIED AFTER! He literally SA’s her and feels disgusted with himself but that does not excuse the fact he did it. He assaults her when he knows she’s not in the right mental state as soon as I saw that I stopped reading immediately I was so angry that he ended up with Eloise.
He said he went to her once after the twins were born and that she was unresponsive and yes that she cried after. I don’t think it was necessary to the story to include. It’s great that it didn’t happen more than once because he realized how terrible it was but yeah maybe we didn’t need it to even happen once in the first place to show that sir Philip is a “good guy” with a severe case of blue balls from 8 years of no sex
@@StarshipGRanger394 I could see an event like that happening in a dark romance but I don’t think any of julia Quinn’s books are considered dark romance I know there is dark themes but when I read a normal romance book with no knowledge of dark themes regarding SA I don’t want to see SA involved even though he felt horrible after and didn’t do it anymore once is enough to turn me completely away a story. I just hope they make the events better in the show or else I’m probably gonna drop it as well.
You know how they were kind of queer baiting with Benedict in the first season when he gets introduced to that artist and they have great chemistry? I feel like they could literally just genderbend Sophie and it would be better. The scene where she almost gets SA'ed could even be kept as a way to make Benedict look good, because it could just be a bunch of rich drunk a-holes beating up a servant instead of threatening SA. There would have to be some juggling with his education because he'd have more oppurtunities as a man. But over all I think it could work. And the resolution instead of a wedding is that he gets to keep living his outward second son bachelor life but with male Sophie. Maybe he tells his mom and Eloise and they accept him? But none of his other siblings know. 🤷🏽♀️ Just throwing out ideas.
I would love this so much 😭🥺 I’m still hoping they go that way because it would be a fun and fresh story after three seasons with the main het. couple (not meant in a hateful way, I’m really excited about Polin but still …)
The only part of Eloise’s book I hope they keep and frankly expand is the pen pal aspect. I like the fact that they start likening each other’s minds. It doesn’t have to be Sir Philip both just with whoever she ends up with.
1. You're very good at this because I am shocked I watched the whole thing 2. I agree with your top 3 choices 3. Can't wait to see Francesca's story!!!!
Couldn’t stand book Philip at all, but they’ve changed the show characters so much that I’m holding a little hope. Show Philip so far is an amiable, golden retriever esq plant boy who is respectful towards marina and is already attentive towards the children (who aren’t even his). But they’ve proven that they’re capable of detaching from the source material for the sake of the show characters and plot lines, so I’ve chosen to detach the books and the show entirely
i feel like gregory's book was basically just a mishmash of the first 4 bridgerton books. like it has the "person A gives relationship advice to person B but also ends up falling in love with them" trope from 'the duke & i'; the "person A falls in love with/wants to marry someone person B is close to but ends up falling in love with person B" trope from 'the viscount who loved me'; the "love at first sight during a ball" from 'an offer from a gentleman"; and "friends to lovers" from 'romancing mr. bridgerton'. miss quinn really thought we wouldn't notice, but we totally did lol.
I haven't read the books yet, but I really enjoyed listening to your opinion for each one. Based on what you said for Francesca's story, it sounds like the writers of the shows took aspect of that story to improve Anthony's story; such as with the jealousy, the seductive speech, Kate being more bold and forward, and the heat of the moment situations. If that's the case, then I hope they continue to take some ideas from When He Was Wicked to improve the upcoming stories.
The fact that both Michael and Gareth slept with Fran and Hyacint to trap them into marriage...This wasn't even casual misogyny it was an dishonorable thing to do even in that era.
Outstanding! I completely agree with you Francesca’s book is my favorite too and probably the one that can translate easiest to the series. Like you I am a Kanthony forever Stan and I have no idea how they made that dreamy season out of the source material of The Viscount Who Loved Me. I also listened to that book on Audible and it was even worse than reading it! Making Sophie A Governess is genius and fix for An Offer From A Gentleman. Thanks again for all your hard work Daria. Everything you produce is a highlight for me! Not dying for Polin’s story for Season 3 but assuming we will get a ton of Kanthony that season.
I know this won't happen, but here's what I would love to see: 1) Take Benedict's being in love with someone of a lower class storyline and give it to Eloise; they could even just make Theo endgame, because Calam Lynch is freaking adorable. If Show Eloise is going to marry anyone, it's going to need to be someone who respects her feminism and her intelligence and her independence, and I think Show Eloise would be the perfect Bridgerton to marry someone of a different class, because she really cares not one bit for all of the fluff of the rich social scene. 2) Let Benedict be bi (as they hinted at in season 1 and then for some reason completely ditched that in season 2) and marry someone where he can be part of a throuple. While the show is doing great with inclusivity when it comes to race/ethnicity, it's completely failing its LGBTQ+ audience.
yes! and in the books, benedict has to go and live in the country because they want to avoid people commenting on Sophie's parentage. So why not just make him bi? so he can run away to the country with his boyfriend
Tbh if they make him gay or bi I ain’t watching the show I like Sophie and they should keep her. Plus the show runners had to agree to the Quinn’s agreement which was all the characters wouod end up with there book people
@@billyjean8057 I keep seeing people say that about them agreeing to keep the book couples in comments on videos, but I've yet to see any articles stating that. Do you have a link to any proof of that?
@@TamiThePinkHairedGirl tbh I don’t got know proof but if they change Beni gay they prob r gonna lose a lot of viewers. Tbh it doesn’t make since since he only been with women, people from the books like me like Sophie and don’t want that to change, and overall if u want lgbt+ repersentation watch a show about it
istg, i feel like julia quinn just makes every bridgerton male love interest either the wildest rake or very violent and not even in s3x or even both :3 like, miss julia, they don’t all have to be violent to be a bad boy😭 we will love them even if they’re a virgin golden boy as long as they aren’t violent and contain misogynistic qualities that are especially targeted to their female love interests.
I have no interest in the Bridgerton series or show so thank you for doing this so I can understand what people are talking about!! 😂 also 'says "I don't care!' over and over but continues to care very loudly and aggressively' is me every time I do a rant review, I feel this deeply
I don’t make the rules, I don’t make this science but this is my head cannon for the Bridgerton love interests: Eloise: A Latine love interest so DEF NOT Phillip Crane, write a whole new story for her with hints to the original maybe (like the love interest still has two kids that are cousins of theirs, not their actual kids so that show Eloise doesn’t have to be stuck with kids, their initials are still P.C) . Idk whether they’ll make her bi or not, that’s why I put a gender neutral term) Benedict: South East Asian woman (I think there’s been rumours flying around about Sophie being casted for season 3 which is why I said woman) Francesca: South East Asian (preferably Filipino) men Gregory: Dark skin black woman (idk, it would be nice to see a dark skin black woman be soft and feminine like Lucy but still with a bit of fiery energy) Hyacinth: Dark skin black man (canonically, I would like it to be a grandchild of Lady Danbury like in the story)
On the Way to the Wedding is my favorite out of all the eight! Not a common favorite but my heart leapt to all the right places when I listened to the audiobook. So lovely ❤
I actually loved theo and eloise in the show, but now hearing how terrible the book Phillip is, I really think they have a way of making it great. Show Phillip seems to be gentle and actually quite an open minded person. If they marry as a ruse for Eloise to escape traditional marriage/children exoectations and Phillip because he wants a companion for his children after Marina's death and slowly develop a friendship after marriage, where Phillip not only likes Eloise for who she is but also encourages her thinking, it has a potential to be the best story out of all of them. Theo is sweet, but he has an angry inferiority complex and they wouldnt make eloise lower class which destroys the fantasy idea of the entire show, nor would they make theo rich because then the whole theme of his character falls apart. Philip being a foil to that and actually following what Theo preaches, but in a more empathetic, mature way would be absolutely wonderful because he did understand Marina's plight and out of loyalty/love and with no care for his own happiness, he takes her in even though she doesnt really seem to be that Nice or caring to him. Honestly seeing the show, I really think they can pull this off. It would also show that with Eloise being so untraditional, of course she wouldn't have a traditional marriage, but it still would be within the realm of believability in the shows world. I am suddenly so excited for her story after this video haha
i can't wait to see how they change up sophie and benedict's story, more than anything because they've put so much emphasis on benedict's passion to improve his art. when it comes to eloise's season... i sure hope sir crane is the one to parish 🌝 and 🌝 eloise ends up 🌝 with marina 🌝
50:23 okay, this when I decided I need to subscribe. When He Was Wicked is my favourite but I'm denial because as a black woman I hate the colonialism undertones, the annoying tan remarks and the one I hate the most is a comment made by Francesca at the her mother's ball. She thinks it by the way, but she says something along the lines of moving to Africa and taking up cannabilism. Which is like double homicide for me because i'm African. I hate that. And in all the other books as well there are such little remarks about darker skin and I just hate it because there aren't black people in your books, like leave Africa out of it... Especially if you're just going to bring it up to say something offensive and ignorant
ok i LOVE you for this because I really don't wanna read any of the other books lmaoo i only care about Kanthony and I know no one else with come close (and even TVWLM has so many flaws so how bad can the rest be)
@@FullofLit I feel like even if other siblings stories are better executed in the show in the future... nothing can touch Jonny Bailey and Simone Ashley. All I do is consume romance and I KNOW they reached the peak of on screen chemistry like sorry to everyone else... you'll never compare 🤷♀
I love the Bridgerton brothers in every scene they have in To Sir Phillip with Love. Best parts of the book by far. Not sure they can recreate it in quite the same way now as Colin already knows Sir Phillip (and likes him) and Marina is Penelope's cousin not Eloise. I am going to defend Eloise and Sir Phillip relationship a bit. Phillip suggests a union between the two because he wants the twins to have a mother. Misogynistic, yes. But very much part of the fact he recognizes he is not a good parent and neither was Marina (due to her depression). Because the book takes place over such a short period I'd like the show to expand out Marina's story and use it as a chance to talk about mental health for Marina, and the lack of understanding and how attitudes made it impossible at that time. Sadly I do think she has to die - the alternative is some Jane Eyre-esque story or shipping her often to an asylum and they are easy troupes to fall back on. It would also allow them to extend out the timeline and we can see more of the suitors Eloise rejects. I really want to see who these men are, Violet (and Anthony's) increasing despair at Eloise rejecting these men (whilst being cheered on by Kate and Pen), and allowing the show to jump ahead a few years organically. I also think, because of the way they have told Marina's story so far that there are some really interesting opportunities in looking at the love of a step parent (Phillip and Eloise) vs Sophie's step mum in An Offer from a Gentleman. Because the twins aren't Phillip's children in the show his story becomes a bit more compelling. The TV show makes a lot of the characters deserving true love, but Phillip puts his aside to protect Marina's honour. It makes him a much more sympathetic character than book Phillip. What the book does really badly is examine the impact of Phillip's abuse by his father and how that influences his parenting of the twins. I'm not saying that is an excuse at all. But Phillip thinks keeping distance from the twins is safer than being close to them. It takes Eloise to show him how a father can be (despite losing her father at around the same age the twins are in the book). And there is loads the show can do to challenge the ridiculous gender roles that were set at that time. Eloise is exactly the right character to verbalize those. An Offer from a Gentleman is terrible though. Worse book in the series. Sophie has loads of potential, I love the suggestion to have her as a governess. That would work great. But the book it is more like a pantomime than a romance. And Benedict is a jerk (that was the nicest word I could think of). Romancing Mister Bridgerton is my fav of the series. But it isn't without flaws. Far too many of the Polin moments in the books start with Colin being very angry at Penelope (first kiss, the church/carriage scene, engagement ball). It's no wonder Pen is confused about Colin's motivations. In the show I hope they change this a bit. It'd would be great to see some they have some time together that does start with Colin being angry. I struggle more with Michael in When he was Wicked than you did. His plan to 'ruin' Fran is awful. On par with Benedict assuming that having slept with Sophie she has to be his mistress. I find both of them worse than Phillip in how they treat the supposed love of their lives. I have the same problem with Gareth, but because Hyacinth is so fab in the whole series, but especially in It's in his Kiss. The casual way the male leads go about thinking they own their 'loves' is my biggest bug bare with the Julie Quinn novel. Love your description of On the Way to the Wedding as a "WC melodrama". Sums it up perfectly. I'm too old for that nonsense so gave up with it!
You make some great points. I think the show version of Philip's arc could be really compelling. I mean, in an era where having nannies and then governesses raise your children was the norm for his class and not having healed from his own trauma, why WOULDN'T Phillip assume checking out on the kids would be better for them? His dad was involved in his life and it was awful. And if Marina dies that means he's already failed both her and his brother. He has more reason to feel overwhelmed and unqualified to be in their lives.
@@ouijedanse Exactly, plus as a son in a wealthy family he was likely sent away to school from an early age (I think he talks about needing Eloise's advice on what school to send Oliver too in the book) so has even less idea about being hands on. The show has already done a good job establishing in season 1 that the Bridgertons are unusual by having all the family together to eat "even the children", and they reference the regular family meal during Anthony's flashbacks after Edmund died. Although they have made reference to some of that via Simon's story in regards to absent parents. They haven't covered abuse or corporal punishment.
Separate comment to share my ‘fixed’ Benophie head canon ☺️ Sophie should stand up and rescue herself from her attackers, and then head to nearby Aubrey Hall with Benny (eff My Cottage seriously). Aubrey is empty with the rest of the family in London. Sophie nurses Benny to health then reveals she is the lady in silver. They spend weeks falling in love out in the countryside but she won’t sleep with him because of the illegitimate child problem. He is so in love he has to marry her, doesn’t care what the ton will think but knows the scandal will ruin his family. He meets with Anthony to say he is fleeing abroad and essentially living in exile to hide his marriage. There is pushback with Anthony and Violet coming to terms with Benny marrying outside their class, but ultimately they strategize and confront Araminta and maybe the current Earl of Penwood to legitimize Sophie and shut them up. Then Benophie can marry, finally do the deed and live quietly on the edges of the ton. Two decent things (the only ones?) from the book I hope make it into Benny’s season: his Big Line should be “Let me be your anchor.” That was poetic and romantic. 🥰 second, I think in the book Sophie discovers he made one sketch of her as the lady in silver. Because his art has so much more focus in the show, I hope when he confesses his love to Sophie he shows her dozens and dozens of sketches and paintings of this faceless woman and tells her she is all he has thought about for years. Imagine how overwhelming 😭 My prediction for season 3 is it will have the masquerade early on, Benophie meet and then Benny spends the season looking for her unsuccessfully, OR end season three with the masquerade and time jump for season 4 and show it’s been years he has searched for her. We can fix Benophie, I believe in the show writers!! 🤞🤞
i feel like in s3 they’re going to be introducing manyyy characters like sophie, john & michael cuz there’s time jumps with benedict and francesca’s respective stories but the three of them with colin get married at the same time to their partners. i mean, they’ve already mentioned some abernathies in s2👀
I just read When he was wicked because I heard it's the best book and I liked the part about infertility and was really happy in the 2nd epilogue where they finally get their children. Michael truly is *chef's kiss*
56:50 - I am completely with you on dirty talk! I actually love it too, but it can quite often be done very icky and/or cringe. (Honestly, I personally felt that even TV series Anthony's "dirty talk" actually bordered on that cringe/ick/ at times too, unfortunately.) I have to admit, you are _really_ selling this book here though, I actually saw it on the shelf in-store just yesterday and now you have me kinda wishing I had just randomly picked it up like I almost kind of had the impulse to do even though I didn't know what it was about and haven't read anything else in the series either. 🤣🤣
I haven’t read Benedict’ book. The part about he falling ill and Sophie tending to him is so much like Marianne and Colonel Brandon. Really Austen is a classic.
All male characters are extremely toxic.... Yes, we criticize the series a lot, but they are officially rewriting the male characters in these books. Why would we want to watch Anthony kick Kate, what a head this woman wrote all this 🙄🙄 They obviously change the books and the characters thank god. Even Phillip (even though we saw him for 5 minutes in season two lol) is smiling, communicative, and kind to Marina, unlike in the book. Writers who can fix Phillip can fix anything I suppose lol
I am just glad they didn't adapt that awful bee-sting scene from the books. I would have been mortified. In terms of Kanthony, I am raelly happy with what we got.
Ok is it possible that Julia Quinn after 20 years realised some faults in her own works and trys to make it up through the show? Became how can the show be so beautiful when the books are so ... difficult? XD
My favourite book is Francesca's as well! It's just so intense and all tropes are there. And their chemistry? He loved her for years and it changes their dynamics compared to other male leads in the series. I can't wait for their season, I have a feeling it's gonna be crazy good. Second book I love is Polin's. I have a soft spot for friends to lovers, since the familiarity grows on you and you might not notice how much more important is that person to you. I love how both of them are writers and want something else from their life - above society. Him being something more than charmer and Mr. Popular and her something more than wallflower and forever-spinster. I hope their relationship is gonna be put on the screens well, I just need character development of both since they both have so much potential to grow. I also love stories of younger sibilings! I think It's in His Kiss gonna be so much fun, I love H and her vibe. Although I think her personality was given to Eloise in the show (and Colin's was given to Benedict)... Either way, I want to see that! Especially her rocking the world of 1800s wearing pants!! haha Kate and Anthony are iconic but I think in the book, A had moments of irrational physical abuse tropes that I didn't like much. But the way writers put him and Kate story in show I have a feeling the rest of couples will be understood well too. I hope so. Because sometimes they're not the brightest and best people out there. I have high hopes for all 8 seasons because it's so interesting to know the cast and have each person of Bridgerton family getting the spotlight. The worst book was Eloise's and it makes me sad. I don't know why she didn't get a more interesting man - it's like she settled for less, just because there was no other option. Idk, I don't feel it. However, I'm gonna enjoy show for sure. I just love it.
I don't understand who saw the potential in these books to become the series it has. These books always seemed soooooo run of the mill and (shrug) m'eh. They came out in the height of my romance reading phase and after a couple of tries, Julia Quinn on the cover made any book an instant no. And your reviews largely reinforced my original opinion.
With Eloises book I was soooo disapointed bc I thought that we would fall in love with Phillip through the letters (at least for the first half or 1/3 of the book) which would have been sth different but no after chapter one it was already over with the letters and she already was at his place
First FRANCHEL SUPREMACY. Because of everything you have said in the video I prefer the show rather than the books. But that doesn’t mean that the show is perfect either. The funny thing about some book fans is that they drag a character because he is toxic when their fav also have toxic traits. For Eloise story, it is already different from the books. I do not see show Eloise marrying book Philip. (God! I do not see Show Eloise marrying Show Philip hahahahh) They will need to change everything. I remember reading this book and feeling so disappointed that I didn’t feel like reading the rest. But I did and prefered the other four. That's why I am really eager for this season, because I know EVERYTHING will be different and I want to see what they will pull. As for all the other books, they were fun to read but I felt like something was not 100%. And for Show Benedict *chef's kiss*: PERFECT, PERFECT, PERFECT. Also I have seen a lot of people who hates Colin in his own book but loves him on their siblings. For me, the author was kinda lost with Colin's personality when writing Romancing Mr Bridgerton. Anyway, LOVED THE VIDEO. I could watch you for hours .
I do like the tv version of Benedict much better as compared to the story version. Heck, he's my favourite bridgerton brother/siblings, I have smilar feelings when I read the book so yes I do hope they do better for their season & I hope season 4 will be his story. :]
Okay so I'm only getting to this video now since I wanted to wait to read the books until after the corresponding season and not wanting any more "spoilers" than the "backside summary", but well, obv I now changed my mind and couldn't wait to hear your take on the books 😅. But anyhow, my headcanon för Benedicts show-story after not having read the book but only knowing that 1. it is kind of a Cinderella retelling, 2. He meets her at a masquerade ball and falls in love basically, 3. He also meets her later as a servant and likes her but doesn't realize at first that it's the same girl, is this: Make Sophie trans. Since they already teased the LGBTQ-angle with Benedict in S1. So, Sophie is AMAB and lives as a boy (can still be a bastard and servant I guess), but sneaks out to go to the ball as a lady, meets Benedict, kiss, love etc. Benedict then also meets her as a "boy", starts to fall for them anyways, drama etc etc before he finds out it is the same person and Sophie is actually a trans girl, Violet can help again I guess to make it accepable for Sophie to live as herself and be able to marry Benedict. I guess the only thing that has to be scrapped is the whole "I don't wanna be your mistress cause I don't want to have a bastard child", but it sounds like that might not be such a big loss anyhow? And Yasmin Finney from Heartstopper could play Sophie.
I really dislike this whole idea that once a woman is alone with a man for a second they have to get married or something. Meanwhile in Pride and Prejudice: Darcy and Elizabeth meet in the park, Darcy and Elizabeth have a private conversation with no one else in the room and absolutely nothing happens, no one cries "scandal" and forces them to marry. Also, how can books written in the Regency period be much less misogynistic than books written today? Imagine Darcy thinking: If I drag her behind the shed now I can ruin her and then she HAS to me marry me! Romance of the century.
100% agree, it’s kind of lazy and so exaggerated. Austen will always be the queen, probably helps she actually lived during the time period 😂
No if a man is alone completly in a closed room yes, but if there are servants and open door
While I agree, I do like how the fourth book did it a little differently.
While it is the same trope as the other books, it happened one enough time for it to double as. I can’t take it anymore. I can’t say the words yet, but the actions of Colin was like “i love you. I want you. I can’t take it anymore. Marry me now.”
And of course after Penelope loved this man for years, she was like “duh. Yes. Finally”
Yes! I think it's interesting just how low the bar is for historical romance heroes in contemporary novels. They seem to be much worse than characters written by authors who actually lived in those circumstances. Like, Mr. Rochester is kind of a shit but even he wouldn't disrespect Jane Eyre so much as ask her to be his actual mistress. And when she discovers that that's what she would've become if she'd married him, she straight up leaves, like *that's* how bad this move was.
To be fair, no one saw them alone. And they only time Elizabeth was alone with a man was with Mr. Darcy's cousin and they were very much in the open and in motion. In most of the Austen scenes (In any of her books) Even Fanny was rarely alone with her cousin. Anytime they are really alone is for the purpose of a proposal (or hoped for) or off to the side in a rather crowded situation. If you Google regency era rules for courtship, being caught alone with a man would result in scandal. Austen may have relaxed the rules a bit to keep readers engaged. Her works were filled with scandal: Pride and Prejudice had Wickham almost ruining 2 women. Sense and sensibility saw two women pregnant out of wedlock and it did ruin them. MaryAnn was the point of gossip at every turn for sending letters and riding off with Willoughby. Not to mention the unchaperoned tour of his house. had they been in London, no one would have associated with her. I could go on with each of the books. The biggest difference is that Bridgeton is a Romance series, which should be filled with pearl clutching moments. Austen was not actually considered a Romance or even Romantic writer. Her writing was considered as satire and social commentary.
i thought it was really funny, this one part in francesca’s book, micheal was like, "you can't find anything like english tea in india" or something like that and it just reminded me of how kate in the show is like "i despise english tea"
That got my blood boiling bc like that's some colonial bs
Funny cause they were literally introduced to tea in Asia
As a person who's had both, English tea really does suck 😂
I interpreted that as "their tea doesn't taste the same as tea here" more than anything :-/
@@menotyou4289sounds about right
I'm super late but it's so funny to see Bridgerton fans on Twitter insist that Benedict's season must be exactly like the books when they've already made it so that's impossible. Anthony, the Viscount and head of the Bridgerton household, married Kathani Sharma, an untitled daughter of a clerk, who's second mother is titled, but her first & biological mother is not. Why would Benedict, who has less expectations placed on him than Anthony, AND takes his role as a Bridgerton less seriously, insist that Sophie must be his mistress because of her lack of title, when Kate is ALSO untitled? Plus, Sophie's father is actually of high status, whereas Kate's stepmother wouldn't really be considered her "real" mother by close minded high society types.
I like how you use first mother and the show says mother when referring to her first mom. I really hate that some people say only biological when the first mother in fact died. It sounds so clinical
In the books, Kate's father was a second son of a baron, I believe. They didn't have lots of money but were probably more respectful in society. The reason why Sophie would have been looked down on was because she was the illegitimate daughter to society that's still beneath them. Also, she was a maid, which was really looked down upon worse than an illegitimate. So yes, in the series, it shouldn't make a difference because of Kate's family history, but it does for Sophie's. It will be interesting to see how Benedict's story is played out.
Well being a bastard is different
I think there is so much potential to improve Sophie and Benedict’s story in the show. There’s a lot of room for the writers to take creative liberties and salvage them. Eloise’s story however…. I wanted to punch Phillip in every chapter.
I’m literally writing a fanfic story rn with this goal in mind re: improving Benophie !
It is my firm believe that TV Eloise just cannot - C A N N O T - end up with Philip. I have written it multiple times but I am going to write it again - that would be a character assassination.
Show Philip is quite different. He is quiet and seems to be caring for Marina and the kids (which aren't his in the show). Maybe they let Marina live and Eloise will end up with no one or someone else. Or they pair them up in the show but in a very different way.
The only things that i liked in Eloise's book was the banter between the bridgerton siblings and the relationship that grows between Eloise, Amanda and Oliver.
Hmm...I like Phillip, even if he is a jerk sometimes.
Hyacinth’s character in the books was basically given to Eloise in the show. Hyacinth really deserves better and I hope they do her justice when it gets to her story in the show!
They did this with so many characters. I was shocked reading the books after watching the show
They gave book Colin’s personality to Benedict too
@@zoelundy5561 They didn't 'give Colin's personality to Ben'. They gave him funny lines but they all just fell flat coming from him. Ben is exactly like he's in the books, minus the orgies.
Nah. After rewatching the first two seasons I noticed she still has the same personality. The inquisitiveness and the sharp mouth and fun sense of humor just like violet in queen charlotte.
At least after reading the books I understand why we barely saw Francesca.
The only person that went through a personality change is Daphne. I found myself relating to her a lot unlike show Daphne
I mean, I will say they alluded to Eloise being as she is in the show in the book but the show did it better. That being said, I don't see why they both can't be like this. The current Hyacinth in the show is exactly how i'd imagine her in the books and I Can't wait to see her character grow.
I hated everything about Eloise’s book - she deserved a partner who loves and appreciates her for who she is, not get annoyed at her for speaking her mind, leaving her to effectively parent on her own so he can focus on his hobbies. Phillip never really cares about what Eloise wants or who she trully is as a person, it made me sick to think that that was meant to be her happily ever after.
I honestly hope they don’t try and force Eloise and sir Phillip together in the show - I’d be happy is he has a happy ending with Marina and Eloise lives up to the line from Daphnie - of her making her own way in the world. I can see her as someone who’s happy ending includes going to University and fighting for what she believes in alongside like minded people like Theo.
Please, sweet Jesus let the writers change Eloise’s story. We are b e g g i n g
Did we read the same book. Where Eloise's brother don't are embarrassed by her ability to shoot like a man, run like a man, ride like a man in their time. Philip respect her for it, thinks it's great that she is so strong and capable. He is the only one who sees her for herself. I do hat his interactions with the kids, but it is explained why he is so distant to them.
@@siusanofthewoodsexactly! I loved Eloise’s book. Sir Phillip is flawed & traumatised from his marriage to Marina. He tried to make her happy but nothing he did helped and that does take a toll (I’ve been there & it’s heartbreaking). He also was abused as a child & it shows. It is a very slow burn of a book but he gets there eventually with his mental health, Eloise & his children ❤
A more “realistic” love story lol
The point about Penelope and Colin's story is actually explained in one sentence "Isn't it nice to discover that we're not exactly what we thought we were?"
This applies not only to what one knows about themselves (like Penelope's discovery of her inner power or Colin's discovery of his purpose) but among each other. They had put the other in a pedestal; Penelope thought Colin was a perfect charming god and Colin thought Penelope was the always-reliable sister with a candid aura, gullible and meant to be protected.
And they discover so many things in one another that made them fall in love; Penelope's wit, Colin's passion, their childisness, their shared taste for writing; of course it's not presented until this book; we are discovering them as they are discovering one another. They met a long time a go but is only know that they see each other, like REALLY SEE, for the first time. It's a real slow burned friends to lovers.
About eloise's story
Nothing can work out or happen in the show like that cause, eloise has a completely different personality and so does Philip, he was so polite to marina and respected her, unless they ruin the show with a sudden personality change
@@louisef2648 by “have sex with her after the children are born” do you mean rape her, while she is basically unresponsive? Mmm yeah, what ever did he do wrong to Marina?
I dunno, I think if the show does a time skip (which is needed for Sohpie and Penelope's stories) there's something to be said for how years of being forced to attend London seasons will effect Eloise. And a story with the general vibe of "person I only know through written word is not the ideal I imagined" and "I'm way over my head and totally ruining this life meant for my brother" could be relatable.
To be fair, I think it looks like the show runners know that book is shit. Marina was pregnant before they married, and they made sure to not make her Eloise's cousin, so to me, it's a sign that they mean to change it. My hope would be for Marina's death to truly be an accident, for that couple to never have been more than friends, and to pull a Jane Eyre and make Eloise go be a governess for the children instead of going there specifically to get married. And from the way they've written the male romantic leads in the show, I truly don't think they'd take Sir Phillip Crane's book personality, especially since we've seen what type of guy Eloise would be attracted to. There's no way they'll do a faithful adaptation.
I think they could. Marina was never "Happy." per se The book does point to the fact that she was engaged to his brother and that he died. Who's to say that her feeling obligated and trapped in a loveless marriage could not lead down a similar path. We only see a few moments of Sir Philip and I imagine having a wife who very clearly feels nothing for him would lead to frustration and a personality shift. I am currently reading this book now and do see quite a bit of similarities in both versions of Eloise's personalities. They are both restless, feel overwhelmed by familial and societal pressures.
I don't know I can see a Eloise writing someone and then running off. She doesn't love the social life. Back in the 1800's there are countless ways to die that don't include the original plot.
Damn it sucks hearing that Benedict and Eloise have the worst books because they're my favorite Bridgerton siblings in the show! Maybe the reason they're switching Colin and Benedict's stories for Netflix is because Colin and Penelope already have that pretty solid foundation, and they just know that Benedict's story needs a complete overhaul so they needed more time to plan. Which is also hopefully the case for Eloise's story because YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And you talking about Francesca, Gregory, and Hyacinth's romances also got me excited to see their character development in the show because we literally know nothing about them right now, but they have interesting and unique journeys in their future!!
@@FullofLit yeah i definitely think that makes sense to introduce those characters and plotlines in the background of the main story so we have the next several seasons set up, and it also gives them time to make the necessary changes before they become the focus
I'd honestly be pretty shocked if season 3 didn't kick off with the ball and then do a time jump. While the masquerade is obviously a core element of Benedict and Sohpie's story, I also actually really like the brief mention of it in Romancing Mr. Bridgerton. Penelope reflects on her experience finally feeling like she was acting true to herself but then despite how wonderful that was not being able to do that again once the masks were off. I also think it would be cool if in Benedict's season the audience who doesn't know the books might plausibly not know, just like Benedict, that she was the woman from the ball until it's revealed through whatever.
I am hoping that they introduced the idea of Eloise being with someone of a lower station in this last season because they plan for her to marry someone like that.
They don't please read them yourself
@@FullofLit no we want Eloise with Theo..
Hermione Watson and her two best friends, Harry Radcliffe and Ron Grint 😂
Stop is that really their names?
I always think that Colin being mad about Pen as Whistledown was a bit thin honestly. His anger seemed out of proportion. That’s one of the things I like about the series addition of the Marina storyline. It really does give him a reason to be a bit mad about that.
Yes! His jealousy and insecurity over her success made this my second least favourite book out of the series (plus the fact that he only realises his feelings after Penelope loses weight). I also found that most of the male leads all sort of blur into one another, especially in the first five books.
exactly because the show Pen did actual damage to people around her.
@@OryxArya loses weight? Ugh how terribly written
@@OryxArya Actually according to the books pen looses weight in her second season in the marriage mart which was when she was 17 and colin falls in love with her like 10 years later so
@@chetsi_099 Did she, tho? Because the people she did were lying and doing the things they did, so she told the truth.
I've said this many times before, but I really think that it would be hilarious if they had the drawing room scene and transfer it to Portia insisting that Colin wants to marry Prudence. Mostly because Bessie Carter would kill that scene. I giggle just thinking about it.
especially since the series hasn't included Felicity
It’d be even funnier because Prudence absolutely doesn’t not have half the self-awareness and wit of Felicity
I was so glad the drawing room scene got a special shout out in this video because it's hilarious and perfect! Penelope's tired acceptance, Colin's mounting frustration, the complete pandemonium of the Featheringtons (the two youngest sisters excepted) trying and failing to find a second brain cell. I feel like Newton and Coughlan would really nail it.
I hope it shows her fainting. Since we don't have Felicity, someone better faint. It better be Portia because it would be funnier. I could imagine her falling backward and her feet going in the air. Plus, it would be unexpected to see her daughter engaged to a Bridgerton.
Hermonie Watson feels like its a name from an AU Harry Potter fanfic
IKR 😭😭
Hermionie would scoof at These Books.
She woukd afterall stand against te mysogonie in These books
@roxyortiz8819 AU as in Alternative Universe, its often used in fandoms
So glad I am not the only one who felt that😅
Hermonie granger is played by emma Watson 😭 merged her real name and her characters name
I love Sophie as a character, but the first time I read the book (and even now) I hate book!Benedict. No matter how much people say he's a product of his time and class, he sucks. He still sucks. He apologises in the end, but that doesn't change he spent more than half of the book being an entitled ass.
I liked the book after the 2nd one that one is my second favorite
I don't buy that excuse. Does anyone see Mr Darcy sexually harassing his staff into giving him sexual favours? And that is a character written during the regency era. I can't see any of Austen's heros doing that. Her villains though ... They'd be the ones making offers of that nature to young, vulnerable women.
Benedict is my favorite character in the series but just thinking about his book makes me cringe hard. There's nothing endearing about him personally, and the story... reading about a vulnerable woman who narrowly escapes sexual violence to spend the rest of the book being sexually harassed by her boss and having it treated as love was certainly an experience. One I don't want to repeat. I'm begging the showrunners to do a completely different story for his season.
I liked the Cinderella story line! And he wasn’t harassing her. Kinda funny u forgot about the part her she was watching him swim naked but gotta choose to make ur point
@@billyjean8057 I would say "since when two wrongs makes a right?" because yeah, kinda shitty of her to not turn around instantly, but we can't even compare those two situations.
She saw him naked. He keeps trying to coerce her all the time. He kidnapped her even! She is not a menace to him, but he is a menace to her at whatever level you choose to analyze it.
I mean, it's fiction, idc, but jesus, I can't stand this writing choices.
@@billyjean8057 Lol thank you!!! I've had to stop looking at Bridgerton books comments and forums for this exact reason. These people will hype up what the men do into something horrid, yet completely ignore what the women do that is the exact same 🙄 I used to try and defend the men and bring awareness to the women, but nah, it's better for my peace of mind just to roll my eyes and ignore it. But I love to see others calling out the double standards so thank you!
@@giovana4121 well tbh he blackmailed here there’s a different 😂 and secondly why u reading from a 21st century mind this book is based 19th century being a women back then alone was very danger. And Benedict didn’t force her to do anything she didn’t want to do.
@@billyjean8057 Because it's not written in the 19th century ? Because it's not historically accurate ? You sound like those people defending bad fantasy saying things "it was like that back then in the middle Age" this is a trashy romance novel not a history textbook.
Lol don't mind me I'm not commenting usually but your comment was kind of both dumb and pretentious.
Hyacinth is BY FAAAAAAR the best Bridgerton! The best character in this entire series! Hyacinth and Gareth are fucking adorable badasses! They are everything!!! I have never laughed harder reading a Bridgerton book than i did this one!! I had so much fun!! Best book in the series! Not even a competition! I REALLY hope they nail it in the show! We don't even have them cast yet and it's already the one i'm most excited for in the show!
love Gregory's as well. I thought there were some funny moments like the big throwdown at the wedding, even Hyacinth getting involved, and Colin. I feel like Gregory's was dark towards the ending, really different from the rest of the Bridgerton siblings.
Hyacinth: ugh my family’s always in my business. so annoying.
*Gareth and his father talk around some secret*
Hyacinth: …I have to be in his business
In the 19th century, a governess was often thought of as "between" the people upstairs and the ones downstairs. She was neither fish nor fowl. It had more status than being a servant, but by being singular, being a governess was often a very lonely profession.
I was about to write the same thing. We all get a very rose colored idea of what a governess would have been based on Jane Eyre but that's really very much an exception to the rule because Rochester is eccentric and eventually falls in love with Jane. But in reality being a governess was really annoying incredibly lonely and depressing existence.
I know it’s Shonda and I know the popularity of the show is high, but Netflix is not known for keeping their shows around for very long. And Bridgerton is expensive to make, so I not only wonder if we will see all 8 stories, but also how long the actors will stay around. Jonathan Bailey, for example, must have so many offers and Bridgerton has a long shooting schedule. Will we see him and the other leads as we move forward? (If we move past season 4 that is). Rege already bounced and I think Phoebe is also done now, so I wonder how long we will keep this cast we love.
@@FullofLit Hopefully having multiple love stories per season will save us the Cousin Jack debacle we had this season because they won’t have enough screentime for bad subplots 💀
I agree I think they'll make Polin and MAYBE another season. Two if we're lucky.
I think they'll swap Hyacinth's book arc and give it to Eloise instead and we won't see Gregory and Hyacinth as show seasons. I'm still hoping for Francesca's bc 🔥
Benedict...... I have no idea
@@Annikina They have confirmed 4 seasons so we will get at least one more season after Polin. I’m convinced we will get Benedict as the lead for that. I have no doubt in my mind about that. I’d bet that when the show was renewed through season 4 he was promised a leading season.
@@ericanicolee909 yeah that seems more likely given that his character is already introduced and we've seen absolutely zero of Francesca.
I just wonder how they'll translate his arc, I hope they make some changes so it's not so cringe-y
@@FullofLit That would make more sense. Would also explain why certain secondary characters are getting so much screen time.
It PAINS me everytime I see people saying that they're looking forward to Eloise being with Phillip in the show. MY GOD WHY ARE PEOPLE LIKE THIS
I can’t speak for everyone but I am looking forward to it because show Eloise and Philip are different from the book characters, they’re both great actors, the show has not disappointed me in any way yet and I think they will make a great match when their time comes. I don’t doubt that their casting was very intentional and that they’ll have amazing chemistry, since they introduced him so early on.
I hope she stays unmarried in the show!
So in the show they gave Colin's personality to Ben and Michael's personality to Anthony.
If show-Eloise's "growth" arc is her just making up her mind to get over her very legitimate fear of childbirth because well she wants the D and somehow the women closest to her have defied statistical odds and survived a record number of childbirths without injury or death...I will riot. She's not wrong and I will elbow Daphne in the head if she uses, like, two anecdotes about herself and their mom to persuade Eloise that pregnancy and childbirth is totally fine and nothing to be worried about because if you are in love and believe in yourself and know that you are a Bridgerton there is nothing you cannot do and that includes defying death. :/
I know it won't happen because no show would make me this happy, but when considering tv versions of Eloise and Philip's story I would be excited to see Ace Philip. Having them end up in a happy, romantic marriage where they raise their step children with love? Would be beautiful. Since he's already not the kids' biological father I'd be happy to jettison him ever having slept with Marina or wanting to creep on Eloise like that.
If Netflix does give the series more seasons, I truly believe El will end up with Phillip. But they will change a lot, including this. Perhaps mutual decision to be careful? Or sweet acesexual romantic pairing? But it is gonna happen.
I feel bad for Marina, but I would argue show gave her much more and she was supposedly color-blind casted. I really like her character in the show, as she is greyish and she is not presented as either good or villain.
I suspect she will save twin(s) from drowning and then die due to ilness, leaving Phillip broken and with utter guilt. Not sure how will they do it with Marina's actress and Shondaland having icy relationship now...
El and Phillip will likely meet beforehand. Perhaps El becomes governess or apllies for the position. Or Phillip gets her into academy in disguise? Either way, I would be surprised if El just showed up out of nowhere like in the book.
This is why I still like the idea that if she is going to end up with someone, it will be someone like Philip who already has children. Not necessarily show Philip, maybe someone else who has children
Didn't work for Edmund Bridgerton lmao
According to me, the rankings are as follows:
1.) Francesca and Michael - When he was wicked
2.) Hyacinth and Gert - It's in his kiss
3.) Penelope and Colin - Romancing Mr Bridgerton
4) Kate and Anthony - Viscount who loved me
5) Daphne and Simon - The Duke and I
6) Gregory and Lucy- On the way to Wedding
7.) Sophie and Benedict - An offer from Gentleman
8.) Eloise and Phillip - To sir Phillip with love
The violent altercations are defo not funny it's not just you and they border on harassment sometimes I stopped at book 2 because I absolutely hated it (loved the show tho) I couldn't get over the scene where he KICKED her really hard?? I saw a lot of people complaining about the fact that they didn't include the office scene in the show because "it included so much funny banter" but like I'm sorry how is that banter? and how is it funny?
Riiiight I wasn't planning on watching S2 tbh because I really disliked book Anthony but then I came across the you're the bane of my exitence scene on twt and instantly watched the whole thing and I haven't been the same person since so happy about the changes they made
Colin's arm grip / champagne glass moment especially felt really out of character for him and I am happy to chalk it up to a failing on Quinn's part as an author that she always has to have SOMETHING like it in all these stories. And I loved the book series. But even when they came out it was big yikes.
@@ouijedanse what happened with the champagne glass drop the tea
@@orin6330 Oh, he's supposed to be doing the tender couple thing of holding their champagne glass while they drink from it thing but instead he pours too fast on purpose or something and it's uncomfortable? She definitely doesn't like it. It's been a few months since my last read so someone should correct me if I'm wrong.
@@ouijedanse jeez Julia Quinn has a really peculiar sense of humor
Yes. Francesca's book was good. I love that Colin confronts Michael about his feelings. I REALLY hope a series is made based on the book.
I truly hoped that Eloise would fall in love with Theo Sharpe and they would be a forbidden love trops but yeah.... I was wrong 😔
I think that with good care and intentive, the writers can make the story work. They seem to be very good so far. But they would have to throw most of things through window.
Sir Phillip might work on paper as a man who does not really know how to connect with anyone in any way (basically suceeding through the sheer luck, like when he connected with Colin), who does not parent because he refuses to be his father but does not know what else to do and how to be a patent. Sort of like Simon, perhaps - he never wanted children, nor a wife, but when Marina showed up with the babies of his brother, he stepped in.
You can even make him actually fall for Marina, but knowing very well she will never look at him that way. And then after she departs, he thinks that the children need a mother-figure.
Eloise could through the sheer luck bond with the children, and Phillip offers her to be a governess/wife. Then you can let them slowly grow to their feelings in some natural way.
Another possibility: Phillip and Eloise fall for one another... as Phillip is still married to Marina and he does not want to dishonor his marriage, and make Eloise a mistress.
@@saranemcova5448i recently read that the show writers are not allowed to change the love interests so yeah
I’m so glad you did this, because I refuse to read Julia Quinn’s “I don’t write Black characters because I want my books to have happy endings” behind. Thank you for this.
Holy shit she actually said that? So only white people deserve happy endings huh? What a gross person.
Really glad that you said that because I’m definitely not reading the books now
I'm sorry the fuck, humanity disapoints me
Did she actually say that?
When did she say that???
32:05 I'm thinking that when Colin and Penelope get together, they're going to go traveling and Colin writes his book and Penelope does her articles and they end up this powerhouse publishing couple.
That's a nice idea.
YESS
You absolutely killed this assessment of “When He Was Wicked”. I can’t wait til they film this season. I am a Henry Golding as Michael Stirling fan!
I guess it’s a generational thing, but I find it so interesting that these stories and the heroes are so often called out for casual misogyny. On the one hand I hope that viewers/readers take into consideration both the time when they were written (big strides have been made in 20 years) and the time in which they take place (when women could not own property, have a bank account, get divorced, or walk around unchaperoned). On the other, it’s very heartening that young women especially are aware of it and calling it out. If you’re in the US, I hope you’ll vote and do all you can so we don’t slip back toward the 19th century.
Well these books r also placed in the 18th century so u should read it from a 21st century mind
Yeah, the "sensibilities"(if you will) of the early 2000s were quite different already from those of the 2020s alone-even without factoring in the 1700s historical time periods the fictional stories are set within.
There are some people, like FullofLit[ in this video], who do take that into consideration.... but, unfortunately, I think there are also some people out there who actually don't realize just how different things used to be at all; OR who don't personally see the difference between understanding/forgiving/ that or whatever versus actually condoning it as totally acceptable.
But we don't see this kind of explicit misogyny in the notorious romantic novels actually written in that time period. Of course, the structural misogyny is present throughout, but I don't remember reading women being explicitly referred to as men's properties or reminded directly that they are supposed to obey their husbands in any of those novels, and certainly not in romantic settings. The way Julia Quinn includes this kind of remarks in romantic or sexual exchanges between the characters gives a vibe of humiliation fetish.
@@marygoround5378 I mean... fair point. It does[ come off a bit like a humiliation kink or something].
But, then again, just..hypothetically....IF you _were_ someone was told since childhood or kinda just 'knew' because it was just the way things were all around you that your eldest male relative and/or husband controlled everything[ or that you as a male would control everything for your daughters/sisters/wives/etc.]..you either A.) Might not even think to mention it because it was simply too commonplace and already known to note or to need saying constantly &/or you might not realize there even was any other alternative way to compare it to since it was just everyday commonplace for you {things that may seem notably wrong or unusual or worth mentioning to modern readers might not seem notably wrong or unusual or worth mentioning to historical persons} & 2.) IF you DID dislike that about your life or wish it could be different you might write for your romances about an escapist fantasy version of the world in which it wasn't so rather than writing romances in which it was so.
I mean.... do you constantly walk around telling people[ or your phone] "This is MY phone" or whatever? Does it make it any less your property just because you don't feel the need to constantly say so?
(There's also the fact that the way people spoke &/or thought, in general, was also just fairly different from how it is now. So they wouldn't always use at all the same words to say or describe things as we would, and the things in general that they even would or wouldn't write about or mention at all also oftentimes differed plenty from things that we might openly write about now.)
So, you can't necessarily completely judge what actual everday life might have been like based off of [potentially idealized / possibly best-case-scenario ]fictional stories alone. There is also the fact that, even if it was the exception and not the rule in reality, more modern fiction tends to make the exceptions more commonplace purely for the dramatic effect or whatever too, not just the negative exceptions but also the positive exceptions. For better or for worse.
@Constance Haisma-Kwok thank you for saying this, all of it, including the voting, being politically active and not slipping back into the 19th century! I was kind of getting impatient with the review but I realized it IS a generational thing. I think being of a different generation, I as a reader was more tolerant of the misogyny and parental abuse that occurred (not excusing it, just moving on). I do hope that they change, significantly, the books when adapting to tv.
Also, just to reiterate, please vote and stay politically active!
When my sister first watched Bridgerton she said "I can't wait for Eloise's love story" and my only response was "Oooooh Emma. You poor soul! Only if they change absolutely everything about everything!"... My sister couldn't understand why I got so heated when I realized Sir Philip will be a part of the show. I really hoped they'd cut him out completely. I hoped they'd give Eloise Hyacinth's storyline since I don't have faith the show will last long enough for me to see the book I want to watch!
I will always say, for the Viscount who Loved Me, Netflix made Anthony so much better but it also made Edwina so much worse. I'm mad for Edwina. Just let her have her nerd who likes to read.
If it hurt to see how much Anthony grieves for his father, imagine what will be like to see John's death. I love how Francesca's book deals with heavier themes. That letter Janet writes after being told of Frannie and Michael's wedding 😭😭😭😭😭
I actually agree. (Although I'm a little biased against pregnancies being introduced just to be lost, it's mildly triggering for me in a way I think because I remember my mother miscarrying the first pregnancy she had after I was born, but there are some things that do manage to pull it off without it seeming too much like they're just using it as cheap heartstring-tugging or purely drama or such..and/or slightly other ways that particular aspect could play out maybe even without otherwise altering too much. I'm a sucker for well-done triangles & or loves-lost / second-loves and or characters bonding over a mutual loss of someone who was important to both of them.)
Show Benedict is quite different to book benedict and with a few changes, his book and romance will be epic. I think the assault and saving scene should happen, but Sophie should fight back more. Benedict shouldn't ask her to be his mistress, but should want to marry Sophie, but she won't let him give up his family for her (cause a man marrying a servant in those days would be scandal and his family would have to shun him) also show Sophie being the one to initiate the first kiss between them.
Also francesca book is seriously hot, I can't wait to see that one (please let is have season 6 for her)
The bar is so low with the Book!Bridgerton men that it has become a tripping hazard in hell, and yet, there he is, Phillip Crane, limbo dancing with the Devil!
I love Gregory's book because of how over the top it is. I think it is a perfect way to wrap up the entire series. I love that Gregory is not the same as his brothers. And furthermore, I love that so much of Gregory's story, if it gets a season, will be a wrap up of the entire series and things he has heard before. For instance, his mother telling him that he doesn't fight for things and him choosing to fight for Lucy and ruin that wedding will definitely be a call back on the show to Anthony's disaster wedding as well as his talk in the last episode where Anthony describes to Gregory that Edmund Bridgerton was willing to fight for every thing, too. Gregory being a poor shot is gonna have call backs to Anthony being a poor shot and the duel from season 1, but also that scene in Eloise's book where are the brothers visit Phillip and they have a shooting competition. Gregory was okay then...but for consistency, they will likely make him a poor shot. Anyway, I think it would be awesome to see this season on screen because I think it would be a great way to sum up the series in general.
I enjoyed Gregory, Hyacinth, and Francesca's books a lot, more so than Eloise and Benedict. Maybe more than Colin and Anthony...it depends on the day. I think Francesca's book is the sexiest. And I think Hyacinth's book is the most fun.
I think you're onto something about the potential callbacks-and the over-the-top-ness of it all, in fact, actually kind of being THE appeal of it. I haven't actually read it[ or any of the Bridgerton books] yet, but that basically sums up exactly why even though this video criticized it (and fair enough so) I still found myself kinda just feeling like I totally wanted to read it anyway because I might somehow enjoy it actually because of all that. ^-^
It's my favorite book and so many people drag it. But I love that unlike his brothers Gregory knew he wanted true love and was optimistic about it. His book is so fun and over the top. But it makes sense, like he saw 7 siblings fall in love and people just expected him to be the same lol. Like why?! And I agree with you his book should be last as a great callback to previous books/show
@@jacquelinelugo5518 Gregory has basically been sitting there watching all of his siblings marry for love, all his brothers fall in love with their wives. And so he expects that. I loved his energy, his optimism, and his earnestness. Reading that wedding scene, reading him climb through windows to see Lucy, or running to get to her reception. I can totally get his frantic energy during the second half of the book. It feels exuberant.
@@fizzychizzy Yes, it shows that he will fight for what he wants. He never put a front or pretend to Lucy who he was. He knew that since he was the second youngest and didn't have the same pressures as his brothers. That he was extremely privileged and didn't actually work hard for anything. But once he gets that drive, he works hard for it. I love that he could tell Lucy was selfless enough that she would never run away with him. Like yeah him kind of kidnapped her wasn't great, but you understand why he did though
@@jacquelinelugo5518 I get that too. And honestly, Lucy understood, too. She gave him that hour to try his best.
And isn’t that a call back to season 2 when Anthony describes Edmund to Gregory and says he was willing to fight for everything. I thought about that when I read his book. It’ll if they show Gregory’s season, it will be full of callbacks.
I'm really looking forward to When he was wicked because it was actually my first Bridgerton book I had read and it introduced me to the Bridgerton series. I'm glad they've changed the actress to someone who's older and I read the new character description of Francesca as someone who's a mystery from a extroverted family. I love that even though she's quite an introvert, her book is the smuttiest out of all the series and I'm overall excited to see her story unfold. I love how independent she is. My favourite Bridgerton books are; Francesca's book, Polin, Kanthony and Hyacinth's
literally just hearing you talk about eloise's book not having read it myself makes me want to create an anti-tbr and make it #1, like nope that is just not canon in my eyes idc baby girl deserves so much better
I have only read the second book, and to me the bee scene, the library scene all seem so strange(edit: book versions of the scenes). What person would react like that, that is not how PTSD works or humans behave. Edwina, in the books, is a placeholder character with no arc, only there to assuage the reader's fear of a possible complexity among the sisters. The character motivation are also hard to digest, like Anthony believing he will die before 38?! He wasn't a 10 year old child when his father died, why would he make up something like that. The witty banter/enemies-to-lover dynamic was dumped in the last 1/3rd of the book, I don't know why. And everyone says this is the best books of all. All in all, the book had some good ideas but the poor execution took it all down.
In my opinion, S2 took the ideas and ran with it. It has its flaws (featheringtons screen time and maybe the wedding melodrama) but I am obsessed with Kanthony and Anthony's arc is so beautifully done. The multiple love confessions are what romance is all about. In fact, I think S1 suffered because it followed the books a bit too much(Ep6). I am more worried at this point that the writers would FOLLOW the books more than they should (I had anxiety before S2 that they would adapt that awful bee scene)
When I read online comments about how they should have followed book plot in S2, I go like, "really? why?" there are good concepts but they are wrapped up in bad scenes, the quality of story really feels at wattpad level sometimes. Before the show, nobody listed Bridgerton as their favourite romance series. This isn't Austen. Let them adapt for the medium
I was a book reader first and I'm all for the changes. The show creators have clearly been showing a lot of love and care for the spirit of the books, and they only honor them by finding ways to improve the source material. ETA: An adaptation is an adaptation - if people don't like changes they should stick to the originals.
I mean... the bee scene could definitely have been PTSD triggering, watching your father die suddenly right in front of you and then getting thrust into not just "man of the house" / "head of the household" responsibilities in general but having your mother's and unborn baby-sibling's lives at risk and could be literally in your hands to decide could definitely mess you up and it all having been started by a bee-sting could make bees strongly associated with that trauma for life, but it definitely shouldn't have turned into a kiss/arousal/ or whatever..that made it hella weird, in my opinion. 😶😐👀
@@jaginaiaelectrizs6341 i meant the book versions of the scenes. In the book Anthony never sees the death, nor does he know for sure it's a bee sting. And when Kate gets stung he starts sucking on her breasts. Just no. Stop this nonsense book.
@@stillhere95 Ah- geeeeze. Well, that makes the complaint make perfect sense then; sorry, my bad. YIKES! (Was he trying to suck the venom out like it was snake bite for some reason or something?🤦♀️ OY.) Stop, indeed.
@@jaginaiaelectrizs6341 He WAS trying to "suck" the venom out. And they get caught like that by several moms - including Mrs. Featherington (lol) and are forced to marry. The entire Edwina wedding plot was added.
Gregory's story is actually my favorite. It was so unhinged but it kept me reading it. The fact he wanted to love and be loved was genuinely so wholesome. So I saw him as doing the most in line with his character. He loved her and was going to put up a fight for her til the end
47:28 - They are ALL "the greatest rake"... because they aren't all the greatest rake, at the same time. 🤔 And obviously, once one of them settles down and marries happily ever after or whatever, then that particular one is no longer even a rake at all.🤷♀️🤷♀️ (I dunno, I'm just making this up on the fly purely in-theory here, right now.) Lol 😂
_Like, one of them was the greatest rake of their time, and then they retire and the next takes over as an even greater rake!! 🙀 ???😁🤭🙃🤣🤣🤦♀️☺️😏 idekk_
It’s like a CEO position 😅
@@Nazza_Bazza Or a superhero "cape"/mantle. Loll
My favorite books for sure are The Viscount who Loved me, and When He was Wicked
Same best books in the series.
Same, my absolute favorite books ❤️
I’m hoping they change Eloise’s endgame preferably to Theo. Show Eloise is completely different from book Eloise, she’s a lot more outspoken on being against marriage and literally despises/has a fear of children, in the books she’s the favourite auntie. She needs someone (like we saw with Theo) that she can banter back and forth with to keep her interested. I don’t think she can do this with show Phillip as they’ve made him too similar to Colin, Eloise spent the whole season complaining about how boring he is. I’ve seen some people say that Eloise will ‘mature’ and then she’s suit sir Phillip but no amount of maturing is going to fix it without entirely changing her character. Eloise’s book was so disappointing and frankly disgusting (I don’t see many people talk about this but Phillip SA’s Marina) so I’m hoping they just scrap the whole thing.
I don’t think they would have introduced Marina and therefor Philip in season 1, if they weren’t going to pair him with Eloise.. the casting and basically everything in this show is very intentional. In season 2 they are already setting up the story for Marina being unhappy and not being a very nice, loving wife to Philip. I think Theo is more of a plot device for Eloise’s character development and story.
@@kristywotte This could be but I really hope it’s not. Phillip is just horrible and they would have to completely changes most of the events in the book that happen with them. I have a feeling that they introduced Phillip and tho to make the story more complex and to throw people off. And her getting with Theo is very true to her cheer her in the show. She is against everything high society stands for and getting with Theo perfectly asserts that. Theo is also opening her eyes when it comes to classism and is already helping her grow I just the little time we saw of them in season 2. But I understand what your saying also.
@@IsabellaL9659 Yeah I get what you’re saying and I understand why Philip isn’t a fan favorite for some of the readers, but a lot of the bigger Bridgerton reviewers/creators have been saying that there seems to be an agreement in place with Julia Quinn to keep the main couples and I think it makes sense for her to request that. They’re also creating tv-show covers for all of the books, with the tv couples on it, which wouldn’t work for Eloise and Theo haha. Either way, I’m sure they’ll make it an amazing season when the time comes!
@@kristywotte yea I herd about the agreement with Julia Quinn. We will see what happens, but like you said it will probably be good either way.
The only way I could see it working is if he is left with the twins and copes as badly as Eloise would, and they can be a disaster together so they are the same level and have an equal partnership.
I almost threw the book when she decided she wanted babies and to be a wife. It was not her at all.
I watched this almost 2 hour video in one sitting and enjoyed every second of it! Felt like 20 minutes honestly... Your content is 10/10 Daria! Keep it coming girl!
I would have too, if only my connection hadn't lagged out on me quite rudely at several points!
the Smythe-Smith Quartet series is a fun follow up to the Bridgerton series, imo
Personally, i like more the Smythe-Smith series, the male leads are more lovable, and i like when there is a build up for the ship, and not insta love
i would love if they also got an adaptation cuz we do see a mention of them in queen charlotte
Penelope is by no means thin in the book. “Pleasantly rounded”. But I’m glad they didn’t for Nicola to lose weight for the role. She fine the way she is. right now I’m here for Kate n Anthony/ Penelope n Colin’ stories. They are my faves right now. I liked Daphne n Simons story minus that one scene. But they modified it on the show which was somewhat better I guess. The show is going to differ from the books. And possibly for the better because not all the stories pop w excitement and not every character is suave n magnetic. I can appreciate both as two separate worlds. The literature and tv entertainment. It’s just fun. Especially for a diehard romance girl like me.
i honestly question miss quinn's mental health stage a bit. why did she write all those male characters that way 😭😭😭
I agree. Francesca's book gave me everything I needed and I loved Michael. I hope they do them justice in the show. And I love Hana Dodd. I've seen her in the flowers in the attic origins and she is really amazing with that switch between naive and really wicked as her book husband would say :P
Years ago, a friend gave me a stack of Regency romance books she had already read. Included were all Bridgerton novels. I have to admit I started reading Daphne's story and stopped somewhere in the middle because it was just not my thing. Just no connection to the heroine and the hero and, to say it plainly, boring. The Bridgerton saga resided in my bookshelve for years, unread.
After watching (and loving) the show (S1) I re-read Daphne's book and again, I wasn't impressed. The whole chemistry between Phoebe and Rege-Jean just didn't exist in the book, it was still boring. Anthony's book was a little better, there were some charming scenes, but Edwina was just an accessory to fill the story a little and after the bee sting scene it was mainstream again... not much better. Benedict's story was even worse, the two main characters weren't eye to eye, but on a much different social and emotional level. In my opinion the two main characters of a romance MUST be on the same level. Even in the classical "prince and scullery maid" trope the prince lifts the scullery maid to an equal level, the story won't work without it. I read the five books following this more diagonally, they just weren't interesting. Ok, Francescas story has a few steamy scenes, Eloise had a few charming scenes with the kids and I loved Hyacinth interacting with Lady D, especially at the Smythe-Smith musicales. Can't really remember anything from Gregorys story, something about missing diamonds?
That said, I LOVE S2!!! Shondaland made a COMPLETELY different story out of a mostly boring book. Ok, one could argue that the whole wedding thing was a bit to much (and the Featherington plot stole Kanthony very valuable screen time), but overall it was MUCH MUCH better than the book (thank god...). I just hope the new show runner is able to make a silk purse from a pigs ear in S3. I have no intention to look into the books again. This all shows me that the original series doesn't age well... Shondaland is well advised to take a few key scenes from them and reinvent the whole thing.
Not to mention in Eloise’s book, Phillip crane talks about having “marital relations” with marina and said how she LAID THERE AND CRIED AFTER! He literally SA’s her and feels disgusted with himself but that does not excuse the fact he did it. He assaults her when he knows she’s not in the right mental state as soon as I saw that I stopped reading immediately I was so angry that he ended up with Eloise.
He said he went to her once after the twins were born and that she was unresponsive and yes that she cried after. I don’t think it was necessary to the story to include. It’s great that it didn’t happen more than once because he realized how terrible it was but yeah maybe we didn’t need it to even happen once in the first place to show that sir Philip is a “good guy” with a severe case of blue balls from 8 years of no sex
@@StarshipGRanger394 I could see an event like that happening in a dark romance but I don’t think any of julia Quinn’s books are considered dark romance I know there is dark themes but when I read a normal romance book with no knowledge of dark themes regarding SA I don’t want to see SA involved even though he felt horrible after and didn’t do it anymore once is enough to turn me completely away a story. I just hope they make the events better in the show or else I’m probably gonna drop it as well.
@@BryBear29 yeah, I was agreeing saying that it didn’t need to happen at all no matter what his circumstance and feelings about it were
not me running to buy When he was wicked as soon as you said Francesca tells him to beg omg
Can we all talk about how beautiful Daria looks in this video 🤩🤩🤩 She's stunning.
Every video 😍
Literally, I had the same thought!🤍💜
She always looks beautiful, she is a natural beauty
@@bakanani8040 True.
But all the different elements really did seem to come together, in this vid, to truly highlight & accentuate that fact! 😊
Thank you Daria for putting yourself through this so that we don't have to
You know how they were kind of queer baiting with Benedict in the first season when he gets introduced to that artist and they have great chemistry?
I feel like they could literally just genderbend Sophie and it would be better. The scene where she almost gets SA'ed could even be kept as a way to make Benedict look good, because it could just be a bunch of rich drunk a-holes beating up a servant instead of threatening SA. There would have to be some juggling with his education because he'd have more oppurtunities as a man. But over all I think it could work.
And the resolution instead of a wedding is that he gets to keep living his outward second son bachelor life but with male Sophie. Maybe he tells his mom and Eloise and they accept him? But none of his other siblings know. 🤷🏽♀️ Just throwing out ideas.
I would love this so much 😭🥺 I’m still hoping they go that way because it would be a fun and fresh story after three seasons with the main het. couple (not meant in a hateful way, I’m really excited about Polin but still …)
To sir phillip with love made me scream with rage. It was so misogynistic
Yea that’s the part I detested and him having a tantrum about not having sex in 8 years awful.
@@natasha8966 for real😭
The only part of Eloise’s book I hope they keep and frankly expand is the pen pal aspect. I like the fact that they start likening each other’s minds. It doesn’t have to be Sir Philip both just with whoever she ends up with.
1. You're very good at this because I am shocked I watched the whole thing
2. I agree with your top 3 choices
3. Can't wait to see Francesca's story!!!!
Couldn’t stand book Philip at all, but they’ve changed the show characters so much that I’m holding a little hope. Show Philip so far is an amiable, golden retriever esq plant boy who is respectful towards marina and is already attentive towards the children (who aren’t even his). But they’ve proven that they’re capable of detaching from the source material for the sake of the show characters and plot lines, so I’ve chosen to detach the books and the show entirely
i feel like gregory's book was basically just a mishmash of the first 4 bridgerton books. like it has the "person A gives relationship advice to person B but also ends up falling in love with them" trope from 'the duke & i'; the "person A falls in love with/wants to marry someone person B is close to but ends up falling in love with person B" trope from 'the viscount who loved me'; the "love at first sight during a ball" from 'an offer from a gentleman"; and "friends to lovers" from 'romancing mr. bridgerton'. miss quinn really thought we wouldn't notice, but we totally did lol.
I haven't read the books yet, but I really enjoyed listening to your opinion for each one. Based on what you said for Francesca's story, it sounds like the writers of the shows took aspect of that story to improve Anthony's story; such as with the jealousy, the seductive speech, Kate being more bold and forward, and the heat of the moment situations. If that's the case, then I hope they continue to take some ideas from When He Was Wicked to improve the upcoming stories.
The fact that both Michael and Gareth slept with Fran and Hyacint to trap them into marriage...This wasn't even casual misogyny it was an dishonorable thing to do even in that era.
Agree. To think that I love both of these characters up to that point😭 I was so disappointed
Someone is finally speaking the truth about the books . thank the lord!🙌🏼
You’d love Julia cudneys video then
Outstanding! I completely agree with you Francesca’s book is my favorite too and probably the one that can translate easiest to the series. Like you I am a Kanthony forever Stan and I have no idea how they made that dreamy season out of the source material of The Viscount Who Loved Me. I also listened to that book on Audible and it was even worse than reading it! Making Sophie A Governess is genius and fix for An Offer From A Gentleman. Thanks again for all your hard work Daria. Everything you produce is a highlight for me! Not dying for Polin’s story for Season 3 but assuming we will get a ton of Kanthony that season.
Gregory story line was great. Falling inlove with the friend, angst, blackmail. Love it
"because mr. hazelbee is gay" oh so we're just? gonna leave that there?? i wanna know more about this gay man is he okay
you are so right, julia quinn QUEEN of killing the vibe.
I kinda like the idea that the way Elosie behaves inspires Hyacinth and that's how they both end up with some similar attributes in the show.
I know this won't happen, but here's what I would love to see:
1) Take Benedict's being in love with someone of a lower class storyline and give it to Eloise; they could even just make Theo endgame, because Calam Lynch is freaking adorable. If Show Eloise is going to marry anyone, it's going to need to be someone who respects her feminism and her intelligence and her independence, and I think Show Eloise would be the perfect Bridgerton to marry someone of a different class, because she really cares not one bit for all of the fluff of the rich social scene.
2) Let Benedict be bi (as they hinted at in season 1 and then for some reason completely ditched that in season 2) and marry someone where he can be part of a throuple. While the show is doing great with inclusivity when it comes to race/ethnicity, it's completely failing its LGBTQ+ audience.
yes! and in the books, benedict has to go and live in the country because they want to avoid people commenting on Sophie's parentage. So why not just make him bi? so he can run away to the country with his boyfriend
Tbh if they make him gay or bi I ain’t watching the show I like Sophie and they should keep her. Plus the show runners had to agree to the Quinn’s agreement which was all the characters wouod end up with there book people
@@billyjean8057 I keep seeing people say that about them agreeing to keep the book couples in comments on videos, but I've yet to see any articles stating that. Do you have a link to any proof of that?
@@TamiThePinkHairedGirl tbh I don’t got know proof but if they change Beni gay they prob r gonna lose a lot of viewers. Tbh it doesn’t make since since he only been with women, people from the books like me like Sophie and don’t want that to change, and overall if u want lgbt+ repersentation watch a show about it
@@billyjean8057 Um, whatever. We'll just agree to disagree because I don't care for the tone of your comments. Have a nice day.
istg, i feel like julia quinn just makes every bridgerton male love interest either the wildest rake or very violent and not even in s3x or even both :3 like, miss julia, they don’t all have to be violent to be a bad boy😭 we will love them even if they’re a virgin golden boy as long as they aren’t violent and contain misogynistic qualities that are especially targeted to their female love interests.
I have no interest in the Bridgerton series or show so thank you for doing this so I can understand what people are talking about!! 😂
also 'says "I don't care!' over and over but continues to care very loudly and aggressively' is me every time I do a rant review, I feel this deeply
I don’t make the rules, I don’t make this science but this is my head cannon for the Bridgerton love interests:
Eloise: A Latine love interest so DEF NOT Phillip Crane, write a whole new story for her with hints to the original maybe (like the love interest still has two kids that are cousins of theirs, not their actual kids so that show Eloise doesn’t have to be stuck with kids, their initials are still P.C) . Idk whether they’ll make her bi or not, that’s why I put a gender neutral term)
Benedict: South East Asian woman (I think there’s been rumours flying around about Sophie being casted for season 3 which is why I said woman)
Francesca: South East Asian (preferably Filipino) men
Gregory: Dark skin black woman (idk, it would be nice to see a dark skin black woman be soft and feminine like Lucy but still with a bit of fiery energy)
Hyacinth: Dark skin black man (canonically, I would like it to be a grandchild of Lady Danbury like in the story)
On the Way to the Wedding is my favorite out of all the eight! Not a common favorite but my heart leapt to all the right places when I listened to the audiobook. So lovely ❤
jfc how is eloise's story even considered a romance??
I actually loved theo and eloise in the show, but now hearing how terrible the book Phillip is, I really think they have a way of making it great. Show Phillip seems to be gentle and actually quite an open minded person. If they marry as a ruse for Eloise to escape traditional marriage/children exoectations and Phillip because he wants a companion for his children after Marina's death and slowly develop a friendship after marriage, where Phillip not only likes Eloise for who she is but also encourages her thinking, it has a potential to be the best story out of all of them. Theo is sweet, but he has an angry inferiority complex and they wouldnt make eloise lower class which destroys the fantasy idea of the entire show, nor would they make theo rich because then the whole theme of his character falls apart. Philip being a foil to that and actually following what Theo preaches, but in a more empathetic, mature way would be absolutely wonderful because he did understand Marina's plight and out of loyalty/love and with no care for his own happiness, he takes her in even though she doesnt really seem to be that Nice or caring to him. Honestly seeing the show, I really think they can pull this off. It would also show that with Eloise being so untraditional, of course she wouldn't have a traditional marriage, but it still would be within the realm of believability in the shows world. I am suddenly so excited for her story after this video haha
i can't wait to see how they change up sophie and benedict's story, more than anything because they've put so much emphasis on benedict's passion to improve his art. when it comes to eloise's season... i sure hope sir crane is the one to parish 🌝 and 🌝 eloise ends up 🌝 with marina 🌝
50:23 okay, this when I decided I need to subscribe. When He Was Wicked is my favourite but I'm denial because as a black woman I hate the colonialism undertones, the annoying tan remarks and the one I hate the most is a comment made by Francesca at the her mother's ball. She thinks it by the way, but she says something along the lines of moving to Africa and taking up cannabilism. Which is like double homicide for me because i'm African. I hate that. And in all the other books as well there are such little remarks about darker skin and I just hate it because there aren't black people in your books, like leave Africa out of it... Especially if you're just going to bring it up to say something offensive and ignorant
ok i LOVE you for this because I really don't wanna read any of the other books lmaoo i only care about Kanthony and I know no one else with come close (and even TVWLM has so many flaws so how bad can the rest be)
@@FullofLit I feel like even if other siblings stories are better executed in the show in the future... nothing can touch Jonny Bailey and Simone Ashley. All I do is consume romance and I KNOW they reached the peak of on screen chemistry like sorry to everyone else... you'll never compare 🤷♀
I love the Bridgerton brothers in every scene they have in To Sir Phillip with Love. Best parts of the book by far. Not sure they can recreate it in quite the same way now as Colin already knows Sir Phillip (and likes him) and Marina is Penelope's cousin not Eloise.
I am going to defend Eloise and Sir Phillip relationship a bit. Phillip suggests a union between the two because he wants the twins to have a mother. Misogynistic, yes. But very much part of the fact he recognizes he is not a good parent and neither was Marina (due to her depression).
Because the book takes place over such a short period I'd like the show to expand out Marina's story and use it as a chance to talk about mental health for Marina, and the lack of understanding and how attitudes made it impossible at that time. Sadly I do think she has to die - the alternative is some Jane Eyre-esque story or shipping her often to an asylum and they are easy troupes to fall back on. It would also allow them to extend out the timeline and we can see more of the suitors Eloise rejects. I really want to see who these men are, Violet (and Anthony's) increasing despair at Eloise rejecting these men (whilst being cheered on by Kate and Pen), and allowing the show to jump ahead a few years organically.
I also think, because of the way they have told Marina's story so far that there are some really interesting opportunities in looking at the love of a step parent (Phillip and Eloise) vs Sophie's step mum in An Offer from a Gentleman. Because the twins aren't Phillip's children in the show his story becomes a bit more compelling. The TV show makes a lot of the characters deserving true love, but Phillip puts his aside to protect Marina's honour. It makes him a much more sympathetic character than book Phillip.
What the book does really badly is examine the impact of Phillip's abuse by his father and how that influences his parenting of the twins. I'm not saying that is an excuse at all. But Phillip thinks keeping distance from the twins is safer than being close to them. It takes Eloise to show him how a father can be (despite losing her father at around the same age the twins are in the book).
And there is loads the show can do to challenge the ridiculous gender roles that were set at that time. Eloise is exactly the right character to verbalize those.
An Offer from a Gentleman is terrible though. Worse book in the series. Sophie has loads of potential, I love the suggestion to have her as a governess. That would work great. But the book it is more like a pantomime than a romance. And Benedict is a jerk (that was the nicest word I could think of).
Romancing Mister Bridgerton is my fav of the series. But it isn't without flaws. Far too many of the Polin moments in the books start with Colin being very angry at Penelope (first kiss, the church/carriage scene, engagement ball). It's no wonder Pen is confused about Colin's motivations. In the show I hope they change this a bit. It'd would be great to see some they have some time together that does start with Colin being angry.
I struggle more with Michael in When he was Wicked than you did. His plan to 'ruin' Fran is awful. On par with Benedict assuming that having slept with Sophie she has to be his mistress. I find both of them worse than Phillip in how they treat the supposed love of their lives. I have the same problem with Gareth, but because Hyacinth is so fab in the whole series, but especially in It's in his Kiss. The casual way the male leads go about thinking they own their 'loves' is my biggest bug bare with the Julie Quinn novel.
Love your description of On the Way to the Wedding as a "WC melodrama". Sums it up perfectly. I'm too old for that nonsense so gave up with it!
You make some great points. I think the show version of Philip's arc could be really compelling. I mean, in an era where having nannies and then governesses raise your children was the norm for his class and not having healed from his own trauma, why WOULDN'T Phillip assume checking out on the kids would be better for them? His dad was involved in his life and it was awful. And if Marina dies that means he's already failed both her and his brother. He has more reason to feel overwhelmed and unqualified to be in their lives.
@@ouijedanse Exactly, plus as a son in a wealthy family he was likely sent away to school from an early age (I think he talks about needing Eloise's advice on what school to send Oliver too in the book) so has even less idea about being hands on. The show has already done a good job establishing in season 1 that the Bridgertons are unusual by having all the family together to eat "even the children", and they reference the regular family meal during Anthony's flashbacks after Edmund died. Although they have made reference to some of that via Simon's story in regards to absent parents. They haven't covered abuse or corporal punishment.
Separate comment to share my ‘fixed’ Benophie head canon ☺️ Sophie should stand up and rescue herself from her attackers, and then head to nearby Aubrey Hall with Benny (eff My Cottage seriously). Aubrey is empty with the rest of the family in London. Sophie nurses Benny to health then reveals she is the lady in silver. They spend weeks falling in love out in the countryside but she won’t sleep with him because of the illegitimate child problem. He is so in love he has to marry her, doesn’t care what the ton will think but knows the scandal will ruin his family. He meets with Anthony to say he is fleeing abroad and essentially living in exile to hide his marriage. There is pushback with Anthony and Violet coming to terms with Benny marrying outside their class, but ultimately they strategize and confront Araminta and maybe the current Earl of Penwood to legitimize Sophie and shut them up. Then Benophie can marry, finally do the deed and live quietly on the edges of the ton.
Two decent things (the only ones?) from the book I hope make it into Benny’s season: his Big Line should be “Let me be your anchor.” That was poetic and romantic. 🥰 second, I think in the book Sophie discovers he made one sketch of her as the lady in silver. Because his art has so much more focus in the show, I hope when he confesses his love to Sophie he shows her dozens and dozens of sketches and paintings of this faceless woman and tells her she is all he has thought about for years. Imagine how overwhelming 😭 My prediction for season 3 is it will have the masquerade early on, Benophie meet and then Benny spends the season looking for her unsuccessfully, OR end season three with the masquerade and time jump for season 4 and show it’s been years he has searched for her. We can fix Benophie, I believe in the show writers!! 🤞🤞
obsessed with this idea!
i feel like in s3 they’re going to be introducing manyyy characters like sophie, john & michael cuz there’s time jumps with benedict and francesca’s respective stories but the three of them with colin get married at the same time to their partners.
i mean, they’ve already mentioned some abernathies in s2👀
I just read When he was wicked because I heard it's the best book and I liked the part about infertility and was really happy in the 2nd epilogue where they finally get their children. Michael truly is *chef's kiss*
56:50 - I am completely with you on dirty talk! I actually love it too, but it can quite often be done very icky and/or cringe. (Honestly, I personally felt that even TV series Anthony's "dirty talk" actually bordered on that cringe/ick/ at times too, unfortunately.)
I have to admit, you are _really_ selling this book here though, I actually saw it on the shelf in-store just yesterday and now you have me kinda wishing I had just randomly picked it up like I almost kind of had the impulse to do even though I didn't know what it was about and haven't read anything else in the series either. 🤣🤣
I haven’t read Benedict’ book. The part about he falling ill and Sophie tending to him is so much like Marianne and Colonel Brandon. Really Austen is a classic.
I’m confident they will change eloise and Benedict for the better
If TV Eloise gets with Philip, plain and simple, that will assassinate her character which in turns assassinates her book character in the process.
I knew having Francesca’s book as the only other brigerton book in my TBR was the correct choice 💅🏽
All male characters are extremely toxic.... Yes, we criticize the series a lot, but they are officially rewriting the male characters in these books. Why would we want to watch Anthony kick Kate, what a head this woman wrote all this 🙄🙄 They obviously change the books and the characters thank god. Even Phillip (even though we saw him for 5 minutes in season two lol) is smiling, communicative, and kind to Marina, unlike in the book. Writers who can fix Phillip can fix anything I suppose lol
And when he throws the key on the floor so that Kate has to bend down to pick it up? It was great not having to see the Anthony of the series do that.
I am just glad they didn't adapt that awful bee-sting scene from the books. I would have been mortified. In terms of Kanthony, I am raelly happy with what we got.
Ok is it possible that Julia Quinn after 20 years realised some faults in her own works and trys to make it up through the show? Became how can the show be so beautiful when the books are so ... difficult? XD
francesca & john - twin flames
francesca & michael - soulmates
My favourite book is Francesca's as well! It's just so intense and all tropes are there. And their chemistry? He loved her for years and it changes their dynamics compared to other male leads in the series. I can't wait for their season, I have a feeling it's gonna be crazy good.
Second book I love is Polin's. I have a soft spot for friends to lovers, since the familiarity grows on you and you might not notice how much more important is that person to you. I love how both of them are writers and want something else from their life - above society. Him being something more than charmer and Mr. Popular and her something more than wallflower and forever-spinster. I hope their relationship is gonna be put on the screens well, I just need character development of both since they both have so much potential to grow.
I also love stories of younger sibilings! I think It's in His Kiss gonna be so much fun, I love H and her vibe. Although I think her personality was given to Eloise in the show (and Colin's was given to Benedict)... Either way, I want to see that! Especially her rocking the world of 1800s wearing pants!! haha
Kate and Anthony are iconic but I think in the book, A had moments of irrational physical abuse tropes that I didn't like much. But the way writers put him and Kate story in show I have a feeling the rest of couples will be understood well too. I hope so. Because sometimes they're not the brightest and best people out there.
I have high hopes for all 8 seasons because it's so interesting to know the cast and have each person of Bridgerton family getting the spotlight.
The worst book was Eloise's and it makes me sad. I don't know why she didn't get a more interesting man - it's like she settled for less, just because there was no other option. Idk, I don't feel it.
However, I'm gonna enjoy show for sure. I just love it.
Oh Daria, you need to tell us your hair care routine. Your curls look amazing 👏
I don't understand who saw the potential in these books to become the series it has. These books always seemed soooooo run of the mill and (shrug) m'eh. They came out in the height of my romance reading phase and after a couple of tries, Julia Quinn on the cover made any book an instant no. And your reviews largely reinforced my original opinion.
With Eloises book I was soooo disapointed bc I thought that we would fall in love with Phillip through the letters (at least for the first half or 1/3 of the book) which would have been sth different but no after chapter one it was already over with the letters and she already was at his place
I love how absolutely bonkers and fast paced Gregory’s story is. I swear it is the least boring of the series and so easy to keep reading
First FRANCHEL SUPREMACY.
Because of everything you have said in the video I prefer the show rather than the books. But that doesn’t mean that the show is perfect either.
The funny thing about some book fans is that they drag a character because he is toxic when their fav also have toxic traits.
For Eloise story, it is already different from the books. I do not see show Eloise marrying book Philip. (God! I do not see Show Eloise marrying Show Philip hahahahh) They will need to change everything. I remember reading this book and feeling so disappointed that I didn’t feel like reading the rest. But I did and prefered the other four.
That's why I am really eager for this season, because I know EVERYTHING will be different and I want to see what they will pull.
As for all the other books, they were fun to read but I felt like something was not 100%. And for Show Benedict *chef's kiss*: PERFECT, PERFECT, PERFECT.
Also I have seen a lot of people who hates Colin in his own book but loves him on their siblings. For me, the author was kinda lost with Colin's personality when writing Romancing Mr Bridgerton.
Anyway, LOVED THE VIDEO. I could watch you for hours .
I do like the tv version of Benedict much better as compared to the story version. Heck, he's my favourite bridgerton brother/siblings, I have smilar feelings when I read the book so yes I do hope they do better for their season & I hope season 4 will be his story. :]
Eloise’s book is literally the worst book I’ve ever read. I have never wanted to put down a book faster
Okay so I'm only getting to this video now since I wanted to wait to read the books until after the corresponding season and not wanting any more "spoilers" than the "backside summary", but well, obv I now changed my mind and couldn't wait to hear your take on the books 😅. But anyhow, my headcanon för Benedicts show-story after not having read the book but only knowing that 1. it is kind of a Cinderella retelling, 2. He meets her at a masquerade ball and falls in love basically, 3. He also meets her later as a servant and likes her but doesn't realize at first that it's the same girl, is this: Make Sophie trans. Since they already teased the LGBTQ-angle with Benedict in S1. So, Sophie is AMAB and lives as a boy (can still be a bastard and servant I guess), but sneaks out to go to the ball as a lady, meets Benedict, kiss, love etc. Benedict then also meets her as a "boy", starts to fall for them anyways, drama etc etc before he finds out it is the same person and Sophie is actually a trans girl, Violet can help again I guess to make it accepable for Sophie to live as herself and be able to marry Benedict. I guess the only thing that has to be scrapped is the whole "I don't wanna be your mistress cause I don't want to have a bastard child", but it sounds like that might not be such a big loss anyhow? And Yasmin Finney from Heartstopper could play Sophie.
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