Disturbing note is that Archer was the 100th. That means she killed 99 spirits/servants before she attempted to kill him. I guess Julius wasn't the only one offing masters...
First fight dialogue (more or less correct but i can only grasp a few things) Archer: " She is not a servant.., amara..., no, an embodiment of amara?" Shiki: "That's right handsome guy, i will play with you. those swords [Kanshou & Bakuya], i'm interested in it"
A) this is not Void. It's normal Shiki. B) it's a digital world. Real world laws do not necessairly apply C) it's true. In terms of combat capability, Void can only fight defensively aganist a Servant. This doesn't account her using her connection to the Root and alter reality itself at will
Nasu said Shiki can only fight defensively... but what happens if shes a servant? wouldn't she be broken with her new speed and power? like she can kill intent and speed. She can literally kill your will to fight... isnt that broken? lol
Nasuverse Fan she isn’t a servant here. Where is that EVER stated? She’s called “monster” because she has no servant designation. Archer even says in this same fucking video you’re watching that she isn’t a “legendary soul” (servant), but a demon. Shiki even days “your kind” when she refers to killing Archer and the other Servants, she’s distancing herself from them, since she isn’t a servant. Should start calling you Nasuverse headcanon from now on lmao.
Nasuverse Fan “due to the mooncell being more powerful than the counter force” Lmao. Funny enough, Amaterasu is explicitly stated to be above the entire Mooncell in power (BB and Kiara have a 0% chance of defeating her in a fight) And it was uncertain whether Amaterasu could defeat Sephar according to Tamamo, and Gaia defeated Sephar, making Gaia >= Amaterasu >>> Extra Arcuied>>> Every other Extra and Extra CCC character. Gaia was also able to weaken and destroy the Velber in one shot with Excalibur, while the MoonCell could only imprison the Velber.
Well it’s implied that Ryougi is dreaming the entire arcade run. So she didn’t actually isekai. Hell you don’t even fight Archetype Earth instead Tohno Shiki is the final boss.
Shiki: Are you done?!?!? because i am coming out and i swear to god if you will do that again i will be so freaking nettle- Nameless: Caladbolg Shiki: SHIIIIIIIIIIIIII
In reality, Rho Aias cannot block Ryougi's skills because her skill can "cut" anything she can see. She can see conceptual weapon(Rho Aias) and as a result she can cut them. The same for world, she can see world(UBW) and therefor she can cut them(negate) them. However the last part can only be done by Ryougi(Void)
Yeah, Shiki cant do it because she needs to understand a concept before kill it, and noble phantasm are concepts difficult to understand, she cant see their death lines and death points (Void can do this)
Lastly, if you're actually exposed to more Type-Moon content, you'd notice that unusual powers or hax skills usually does the trick in the Nasuverse. Tohno Shiki had slaughtered several of the Twenty-Seven Dead Apostles and had defeated lesser Crimson Red Vermilions in outright combat, Kotomine was able to fend off Servants and Aozaki Aoko can perform True Magic with a limited amount of circuits - though in the case of nutcases like Arcueid, sometimes power does really mean everything.
She should of been the final boss in my personal opinion she had triple the amount of HP that twice piercemen’s servant had for sure! This battle for me was beyond ruthless and definitely the challenge I needed, nice work by the way!
He says "Our ancient history comes twisted, Caladbolg!" I guess twisted talking about the fact that he remodels the Caladbolg sword into a twisted helix.
Secondly, it was mentioned time and time again that every weapon Shirou Projects, it's experience was taken into account as well. It was already seen once before that Shirou's hands literally started swinging on his own when he Projected Kansho and Bakuya against Souichirou. Also, Saber used her Magical Energy Bursts to enhance her attacks to make them as powerful as they were.
Richard Maciel Not canon. Shiki Tohno can kill Servants. "Can" in the sense that his MEoDP are capable of it, but he himself would be killed 10/10 times before he could even use them. Given the chance to assassinate a Servant with the element of surprise his chances go from "impossible" to "very improbable." Shiki Ryougi wouldn't really fare much better because her swordsmanship is only Taiga level. Her ability to fight Servants in Extra is attributed to Moon Cell dickery. [ ] Ryougi is a different story though. She can just end a Servant on a whim.
duddude321 "Despite this claimed ability, her combat ability is only possibly around the level of Ciel, allowing her to manage a defensive fight against a being on the level of a Servant. While still much stronger than the regular Shiki, who holds no hope in even competing with a Servant defensively." Cut from the Type-Moon Wiki Humans just can't match up to Servants. Shirou is an extremely rare case because of his abilities.
solopy567 Not saying Shiki can beat a Servant, but [ ] can. [ ] doesn't even need to fight, she just has to wipe the Servant from existence. She can do anything. It's her attributed power, Omnipotence, which is funny because she's still a frail little human compared to a Servant.
duddude321 According to Nasu the 3rd personality can only fight a defensive fight against a servant. Her power level is somewhere around Ciel's class. Q: In the other Type-Moon works, who else besides Arc can fight against Servants? A: If we're working on the condition of one on one, with an extremely average Noble Phantasm. Generally most of the 27 Ancestors, Kishima Kouma, Aozaki Aoko. If it's just a defensive fight, but would still be a fight, then Ciel. Shiki (Rakkyo), Shiki (Tsukihime) are no match for Servants....but Ryougi Shiki (3rd personality) might be able to go as far as the Ciel class. Shiki is only able to fight Archer,Caster or Saber in fate/extra because she herself is summoned as something similar to a heroic spirit.
It's been Six Years since I saw the Anime, Seeing Archer use his Unlimited Bladework and kicking ass is somewhat, Overly Awesome, I guess the Nostalgia Factor Empowers it :D Thanks for the Fight, sure was Grand!
Ryougi Shiki can do it. Her void origin combined with the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception allows her to kill anything that is "alive" in her eyes. This includes magic. Just like she killed Fujino's bending spirals, Araya's bounded fields, and the closed space cage she was thrown in.
Lastly, it was mentioned that Assassin fended off most of the Servants in the War and all he has is high Luck and Agility, as well as an average Rank in Strength. Take it this way, Aozaki Aoko have a limited amount of Magic Circuits but is able to use it to her fullest and perform True Magic. Gilgamesh have high stats but is unable to excel in using it in melee combat.
@@whyyoureadingmaname1775 When you're about to fight Twice Pieceman, the last boss, you can fight Shiki as an optional boss by entering the Floor Arena
@@ceruleant777 it's easy tho all you have to do is fullfill all of taiga's request and shiki optional fight would be unlocked. (Of course the optional battle can only be unlocked after you completed your first walkthrough)
Secondly, Gilgamesh was never an expert in melee combat. When he encounters Saber, he'll usually stay a safe distance away, tank her blows with his armor or force her back with his prototype weapons. The factor of Agility seems to differ from Servant to Servant as well - Rider's attacks wasn't insanely fast for instance (It's manageable by Shirou) despite her high Agility Rank but she's incredibly skilled and quick in aerial combat.
Not sure how that would work in the Moon Cell as each layer of SE.RA.PH are structured Reality Marbles and when a Master/Servant initalises a NEW Reality Marble all the Moon Cell does is give ownership of that section to the Caster and due to Reality Marbles showing the caster's inmer world it is overwritten. In normal HGWs EMIYA uses a border of fire as his bounded field to isolate a piece of the world and overlay it with vision. This should be applicable to Nameless as eventhough he never made contact with Alaya he still based his Reality Marble on the same context. If Shiki destroyed the Reality Marbles making up the Combat Zones for SE.RA.PH using her MEDP she could either be deleted or fall out of the simulation like LE Hakuno (but i know thats an oof) if the Moon Cell doesn't revert the combat situation to before the Reality Marble was overwritten which is more likely. If anything she would probably just use the MEDP on the Projected Swords as most likely they would have many lines of death to exploit due to them not being real objects and just being sculptures made from mana/od, reinforcement does strengthen their origin but should not decrease the lines by too much.
I think the regular Shiki also has the "power" to kill Servants, but she's not nearly as fast enough to keep up, so she'd get rekt before getting a chance to touch them. (well, not really, but she wouldn't last enough to "kill" their Noble Phantasms)
@@kevinhanandi No... Magic also does not work on her. She can "kill" magic. The real action that would beat Shiki is to beat her "physically" To use magic may awaken "Void" Shiki and just end your life. Void Shiki can instra kill any being but she's pretty much bored. Should you entertain her even a bit by using the magic of the god? Yeah, it's your doom as a reward for entertaining her.
Ryougi Shiki is more than capable of "killing " Reality Marbles. In KnK , her Mystical Eyes of Death Perception is beyond the level of Tohno Shiki's. She can kill living things, non living things, concepts, ideas, thoughts , etc. She can pretty much kill anything .
Caladbolg is used in many games, and even in such case still no excuse for Hrunting. Of course they would demand CCC because any translation is better than no translation. I question their knowledge of Nasuverse.
As long as Ryougi Shiki or Tohno Shiki can sense and understand a force nearby, they can trace the lines of death of that force. Barriers, mana flows, and other nonphysical things aren't safe. It's not LIKELY that Ryougi actually would be able to grasp a Reality Marble enough to kill it, but it's not impossible.
Well, Shirou can use reinforcement on his body to a point where he can use Berserker's sword at supersonic speed so matching Gilgamesh isn't the big deal, and even if his stats are high, Gilgamesh has little to no skill in close combat. And don't forget Shirou absorbed a lot of battle experience from Archer.
@WarriorPrinny 1.Be in New game plus 2.Clear all Taiga Quests 3. Prior to the final boss fight, there should be a table, flask and a note. Read it then go to the end of the arena.
He can reproduce it, yes, but it needs Saber's magical energy (she has to be close) so no he can't use it. Which is why Rho Aias is his best defense. Archer can easily create strong swords out of nowhere and rain them just like Gil, the problem with Excalibur is that since it was made by the fairies it's hard to reproduce it. But yeah he can get close.
My point is that while she 'can', she either 'wouldn't' out of personal choice because it's more fun, or 'would not be allowed to' because Archer knows what she's capable of as a Counter Guardian himself, and would do his damn best to stop it.
Its a self contained univrse that are described by nasu's work. The universe has its own rules that are explained through various media such as the fates staynight viusal novel, the knk novel, etc.
This type of translation/text flow is actually intentional in Type-Moon works, to simulate internal monologues that rarely, if ever, follow gramatical rules.
In that regard you have to think about where UBW death spot would be. Its its own reality so theres a good chance its far out of her reach and even trying to get to it would simply lead to her giving Archer an opening to annihilate her (as if he couldnt do that already considering how powerful he is even among servants)
That would still require a ludicrous amount of time, not to mention the sophisticated and complex ability to travel between those planets and build an armada... and if that happens she effective kills herself in the end so it would all be pretty pointless.
Mystic eyes of death perception apparently allow people to kill anything. I haven't read the novels but I think it should be possible. Also, @Evap69, while that is true it wouldn't have made for a very interesting boss fight.
CIS is just a convenient tool when you make a character too powerful to be beaten conventionally in a story. In the context of a mere battle you wouldn't need that. Basically Shiki could be a real pain to a servant but as you know she's limited to a simple human body. As stated by Nasu himself, she could reach Ciel tier
Not quite, yes Saber was able to avoid death because of her luck but at the time it was only C rank meaning that it doesnt take much to break that rule. In addition its been show that the so call unstoppable lance could be stopped as Archer demonstrated with Rho Aias. Sometimes the difference in strength trumps the rule applied to a specific ability. That being said saying she could kill UBW is no different than saying she could kill the world because a Reality Marble isn't just a concept.
Oh yeah , Saber was never nerfed under Shirou's command - she was weakened from start to finish even after the Magic Circuit implant (Which was pretty much just an act to create a bond between Saber and Shirou for Mana supply) She was only at her best with real Masters like Rin.
No because if it happened it would still be a natural pattern of reality. The fact that something can happen means that reality has made it possible for that to happen. So in itself allowing this in depth understanding of death exist is contradicting its own existence by allowing something that would allow for its own death.
Not exactly, he can only create weapon/shield if they are made of resource found in this universe and upon wielding it, he gain full profficiency. However Excalibur is a weapon that chooses it's master, and shirou is not it's master. Avalon's passive effect only works while saber is nearby cuz it require saber's mana. Avalon cannot be reproduce because it contain material not of this world. Also you must keep in mind they have mana limit and reproducing shield cost ALOT more mana than weapons.
@XeroMaano oh ahaha ok, really like this game took me a week to finish it and another week for new game +. cant wait for fate extra CCC :D i want to play this more, but am done using the three servants wish they have made all classes available..
actually I believe I heard someone say that third personality Ryougi can only fight a servant defensively (Nasu's words) though it doesnt specify which type of servant so I just automatically assume hes referring to a True Assassin class as the templet.
Oh no no no, if you give her half a chance, she will literally tear your ability to fight out piece by piece before just executing you, this guy just managed to stuff every attempt to straight up murder she had
Sorry but no. Fake Helix Sword? It's Caladbolg II. Red hound is a terrible translation of Hound of Crimson Plains, they should've just used its OFFICIAL english name, Hrunting. By the way official english name for projection is Gradation Air. Same would be said with Rho Aias. An example of good translation would be like Unlimited Codes, though I don't know what happened to the translation team. There are various key terms in this particular game that is translated very badly.
No, I'm saying they were like "Fake she could of destroyed the Reality Marble". If the thing really was real she could kill anything on the first hit, which as you saw she do a heavy hit on Archer (Twin Towers) so in reality if she had the chance Archer would be dead.
This is the same Shiki that's said to only be able to fight servants on a 'defensive' battle, mind you. Also, Shiki's effective range is 3 meters; even without UBW, Archer's range is much further than that and he has no need to worry about his Master. You speak as though it's a given that she'd win, but there's no concrete proof she would; she could barely beat Araya with her sword, and if it wasn't for Araya's origin she would've lost.
fun trivia... this archer is quite broken.. reason include that he can go on bow mode despite he is in UBW... next is that there should only be 1 hrunting... and then its not pre-recognition, its trace on!... and the rho aias isnt really 7 star of heaven and what makes it broken is its usable in any way it should only be usable during magic burst, and it must only block projectiles...
Oh, it's possible. Heck, Ryougi Shiki is especially good at using her MEDP to kill "concepts." As a reality marble is a person's essence conceptualized and overlayed upon reality. Unless said person is deathless, I do not see why their reality marble would be. Although, It stands to reason that anyone fighting a heroic spirit wouldn't divide their attention. Additionally, Gil's Enuma Elish has broken reality marbles and he's to be in Extra CCC.
Than what about Type-Mercury. It was also stated that it doesn't follow Gaia's laws of death making MEDP useless against it. Since Ea was an object from outside of Gaia, I just wanted to know if it works. Yes she can kill many things, but Nasu made it that other wordly beings that don't follow gaia's laws are immune to MEDP.
Doesn't really change the fact that he wasn't quite familiar with nasuverse, sure he wasn't obligated to do so but it doesn't prevent it from simply being bad.
Actually, he just needs to spend a lot of magical energy in order to use "projection" magic. The whole "materials" thing is a lie because Shiro's actually a natural "projection" user" (he just didn't use it much because his father told him it was useless) And sure he shares magic with Saber, but that's not why he could. As for Rho Aias. It's more like a double-edged sword. It can block attacks and avoid fatal strikes, but every time each layer/petal break, the user takes damage anyways
It depends on the Servant's experience - it was already mentioned that Caster was inexperienced in melee combat and Archer did a whole lot of insane things with mediocre stats. Really puny Servants like Avenger would probably be screwed within seconds but most of the Servants from Zero and F/SN wasn't exactly your typical average Servant. Funny how the Berserker Class is supposed to be a class for weak Heroic Spirits and Masters just force-summon a powerful Heroic Spirit in it's place.
Yeah, she could do that. From just this game, in her own words when she uses her Noble Phantasm if you give her the chance, "I can kill anything, even a god". Said attack does 99,999 and inflicts Death with 100% success (considering max hp is 9,999, also Rho Aius will fail, it cancels out Thrice setting Sun by the Death Status and while Aphotic Cave will work, since it reduces to 10% which is 9,999 anyway, same result. Even code cast Add () Invalid won't work)
Well theres the issue "probably." Sometimes you merely have to account for the difference in power and not just assume an ability can be applied to all situations merely because a rule says it does. I mean look at Gae Bolg "Will pierce the heart no matter what" yet it clearly says that enough luck will allow one to dodge it. The simple fact is that while Shiki is indeed impressive taking into account how powerful and actually incomprehensible UBW is I doubt she could destroy it.
It's not the capability to 1-shot people, it's the capability to bring forward a fated death. If the enemy is strong enough/not fated to die (Arcuied Brunestud at her strongest / Araya Soren) then she is unable to 1-hit them.
Actually...it is heard of..in a certain doujin work series. You'd know this if you frequent a certain site..it was hilarious because they will spam this answer when you ask "can shiki kill... ?"
"Her MEoDP allows her to perceive the death of more or less anything that exists. Whether it is a person, an object, a ghost, a disease, a thought lingering in someone's mind, magecraft, a ward, a psychic attack, etc., so long as it exists, she can kill it." Taken from the wiki, case closed?
@legionz200 I can't wait for CCC either. Meanwhile, I have a list of personal achievements for Extra on each servant. I have completed the game 6 times now(3 Saber, 2 Caster, Archer), and I am on week 4 rani's route with caster for my 7th playtrough. :3
its alternative universe, but if her background story is the same, well she will always be addicted to killing so there is always a reason for her to fight.
Well Avalons function it to shield the user by moving them into... well Avalon (the world of fairies) but thats the thing, Ea is a world destroying NP which means that it in theory can destroy Avalon since it is a world. That being said its likely they would cancel each other out. Ea would destroy Avalon, but in return Ea would have used its full power and would likely leave an opening for Saber to attack in.
I'm not saying that it cant be destroyed only that she may lack the ability to destroy it. this is the universe we are talking about after all, it would be like a spec of dust causing the Earth to explode... and thats being generous.
Well in that regard, she could still only kill him so many times, not 12, beheading, Excalibur laser, pierce through the heart and then just ripping him apart that would equal 6 deaths at max. But the wiki isnt always correct, the most common understanding ive encountered is that a weapon is counted as the attack, so 1 kill from excalibur would be it, it would explain Archers tactics in fighting him. Using different weapons each time. Overedge counts a different weapon.
![Carnival Phantasm Ending [Type-Moon full combined]](/img/1.gif)
My favorite part isn't even the fight itself, it's that Shiki of all people wants to steal Kanshou and Bakuya, Yin-Yang swords.
ShadowT0nberry Wait she does that's awesome. I'm certain it would create an interesting dynamic between Shirou and Shiki
I’m betting there’s a reason why she wants those swords.
Tyztube21 It's a reference to her dual existence between her male and female personalities, just like yin and yang.
Shadow Slayer or she’s like Shirou and she just thinks that they look cool
Why she just find a Master with Dan jiang as a servant.
The entirety of the second half of the fight:
UNLIMITED CALADABOLG NUKES!!!
that's late or end-game Archer for you
Disturbing note is that Archer was the 100th. That means she killed 99 spirits/servants before she attempted to kill him.
I guess Julius wasn't the only one offing masters...
Julius was killing masters. She was killing the servants
everybody gangsta until,
I AM THE BONE OF MY SWORD...
First fight dialogue (more or less correct but i can only grasp a few things)
Archer: " She is not a servant.., amara..., no, an embodiment of amara?"
Shiki: "That's right handsome guy, i will play with you. those swords [Kanshou & Bakuya], i'm interested in it"
Ryougi: Fuck you, I got a voice.
Guest Character Privileges
"Void Shiki can only fight defensively against servants"
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
A) this is not Void. It's normal Shiki.
B) it's a digital world. Real world laws do not necessairly apply
C) it's true. In terms of combat capability, Void can only fight defensively aganist a Servant. This doesn't account her using her connection to the Root and alter reality itself at will
Nasu said Shiki can only fight defensively... but what happens if shes a servant? wouldn't she be broken with her new speed and power? like she can kill intent and speed. She can literally kill your will to fight... isnt that broken? lol
Nasuverse Fan she isn’t a servant here. Where is that EVER stated? She’s called “monster” because she has no servant designation. Archer even says in this same fucking video you’re watching that she isn’t a “legendary soul” (servant), but a demon.
Shiki even days “your kind” when she refers to killing Archer and the other Servants, she’s distancing herself from them, since she isn’t a servant.
Should start calling you Nasuverse headcanon from now on lmao.
Nasuverse Fan “due to the mooncell being more powerful than the counter force”
Lmao. Funny enough, Amaterasu is explicitly stated to be above the entire Mooncell in power (BB and Kiara have a 0% chance of defeating her in a fight)
And it was uncertain whether Amaterasu could defeat Sephar according to Tamamo, and Gaia defeated Sephar, making Gaia >= Amaterasu >>> Extra Arcuied>>> Every other Extra and Extra CCC character.
Gaia was also able to weaken and destroy the Velber in one shot with Excalibur, while the MoonCell could only imprison the Velber.
After this battle,Ryougi ends up in his melty blood arcade run to fight Archetype Earth.
Archetype:Earth has the highest AI in game, so Fighting her even if it’s just a cpu in vs mode... is quite the annoyance
Well it’s implied that Ryougi is dreaming the entire arcade run. So she didn’t actually isekai. Hell you don’t even fight Archetype Earth instead Tohno Shiki is the final boss.
Shiki: Are you done?!?!? because i am coming out and i swear to god if you will do that again i will be so freaking nettle-
Nameless: Caladbolg
Shiki: SHIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Kikoho!!!
Shiki did 9/11? Oh shit.
0:34 - Kinky
_oh i'll give her whatever she wants from me_
Go Shiki!
In reality, Rho Aias cannot block Ryougi's skills because her skill can "cut" anything she can see. She can see conceptual weapon(Rho Aias) and as a result she can cut them. The same for world, she can see world(UBW) and therefor she can cut them(negate) them. However the last part can only be done by Ryougi(Void)
Yeah, Shiki cant do it because she needs to understand a concept before kill it, and noble phantasm are concepts difficult to understand, she cant see their death lines and death points (Void can do this)
@@subaru1744 Ryougi can’t see points. That’s a Tohno thing, but yh you’re valid
Lastly, if you're actually exposed to more Type-Moon content, you'd notice that unusual powers or hax skills usually does the trick in the Nasuverse.
Tohno Shiki had slaughtered several of the Twenty-Seven Dead Apostles and had defeated lesser Crimson Red Vermilions in outright combat, Kotomine was able to fend off Servants and Aozaki Aoko can perform True Magic with a limited amount of circuits - though in the case of nutcases like Arcueid, sometimes power does really mean everything.
She should of been the final boss in my personal opinion she had triple the amount of HP that twice piercemen’s servant had for sure! This battle for me was beyond ruthless and definitely the challenge I needed, nice work by the way!
She is a guest character from another one of Nasu's works, she wouldn't have made much sense as a final boss.
A secret easter egg boss on the other hand...
the spam is real
He says "Our ancient history comes twisted, Caladbolg!" I guess twisted talking about the fact that he remodels the Caladbolg sword into a twisted helix.
Secondly, it was mentioned time and time again that every weapon Shirou Projects, it's experience was taken into account as well.
It was already seen once before that Shirou's hands literally started swinging on his own when he Projected Kansho and Bakuya against Souichirou.
Also, Saber used her Magical Energy Bursts to enhance her attacks to make them as powerful as they were.
I find it funny how they call shiki "monster".
she is a monster xD she kills for pleasure, she simply picked side that would allow her to do this
Her original ego is a cold-blooded killer.
@@TaigaXsenpai I think it may be a reference
So this proves that Shiki can indeed kill servants (at least the old Shiki)
Well Tsukihime Shiki did overkill a certain servant in the TsukihimeXFate manga.
Richard Maciel Not canon. Shiki Tohno can kill Servants. "Can" in the sense that his MEoDP are capable of it, but he himself would be killed 10/10 times before he could even use them. Given the chance to assassinate a Servant with the element of surprise his chances go from "impossible" to "very improbable."
Shiki Ryougi wouldn't really fare much better because her swordsmanship is only Taiga level. Her ability to fight Servants in Extra is attributed to Moon Cell dickery.
[ ] Ryougi is a different story though. She can just end a Servant on a whim.
duddude321
"Despite this claimed ability, her combat ability is only possibly around the level of Ciel, allowing her to manage a defensive fight against a being on the level of a Servant. While still much stronger than the regular Shiki, who holds no hope in even competing with a Servant defensively."
Cut from the Type-Moon Wiki
Humans just can't match up to Servants. Shirou is an extremely rare case because of his abilities.
solopy567 Not saying Shiki can beat a Servant, but [ ] can. [ ] doesn't even need to fight, she just has to wipe the Servant from existence. She can do anything. It's her attributed power, Omnipotence, which is funny because she's still a frail little human compared to a Servant.
duddude321 According to Nasu the 3rd personality can only fight a defensive fight against a servant. Her power level is somewhere around Ciel's class.
Q: In the other Type-Moon works, who else besides Arc can fight against Servants?
A: If we're working on the condition of one on one, with an extremely average Noble Phantasm. Generally most of the 27 Ancestors, Kishima Kouma, Aozaki Aoko.
If it's just a defensive fight, but would still be a fight, then Ciel. Shiki (Rakkyo), Shiki (Tsukihime) are no match for Servants....but Ryougi Shiki (3rd personality) might be able to go as far as the Ciel class.
Shiki is only able to fight Archer,Caster or Saber in fate/extra because she herself is summoned as something similar to a heroic spirit.
It's been Six Years since I saw the Anime, Seeing Archer use his Unlimited Bladework and kicking ass is somewhat, Overly Awesome, I guess the Nostalgia Factor Empowers it :D
Thanks for the Fight, sure was Grand!
Ryougi Shiki can do it. Her void origin combined with the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception allows her to kill anything that is "alive" in her eyes. This includes magic. Just like she killed Fujino's bending spirals, Araya's bounded fields, and the closed space cage she was thrown in.
Lastly, it was mentioned that Assassin fended off most of the Servants in the War and all he has is high Luck and Agility, as well as an average Rank in Strength.
Take it this way, Aozaki Aoko have a limited amount of Magic Circuits but is able to use it to her fullest and perform True Magic.
Gilgamesh have high stats but is unable to excel in using it in melee combat.
I wouldn't even fight Shiki...
Me neither... I didn't even know she was there
@@whyyoureadingmaname1775 When you're about to fight Twice Pieceman, the last boss, you can fight Shiki as an optional boss by entering the Floor Arena
Yep,all 3 playthrough n after first fail I decide not to n just complete the game
Arcueid is ridiculously hard with max stats she hits very hard i rather fight shiki
@@ceruleant777 it's easy tho all you have to do is fullfill all of taiga's request and shiki optional fight would be unlocked.
(Of course the optional battle can only be unlocked after you completed your first walkthrough)
shes a protagonist of the horror/thriller anime movie series garden of sinners
Who would win? One staby girl or one counter force boy?
I think Alaya Souren was also servant of counter force, so Shiki already defeated one.
@@TaigaXsenpai Araya Souren wasn't a servant of the counter force, Shiki was aided by the counter force to stop Araya
U mean one nameless boi?
One faker boi.
@@TaigaXsenpai nah,he share name with alaya is pure coincidence and he have nothing to do with counter force
10:14 "smooth move" i mean I'm not sure how many could survive eating a ton of Caladbolg 2's in short succession
Secondly, Gilgamesh was never an expert in melee combat.
When he encounters Saber, he'll usually stay a safe distance away, tank her blows with his armor or force her back with his prototype weapons.
The factor of Agility seems to differ from Servant to Servant as well - Rider's attacks wasn't insanely fast for instance (It's manageable by Shirou) despite her high Agility Rank but she's incredibly skilled and quick in aerial combat.
Lol, you know how far improved ryougi's mystic eyes are? She can cut reality itself, so UBW is no problem at all x)
Not sure how that would work in the Moon Cell as each layer of SE.RA.PH are structured Reality Marbles and when a Master/Servant initalises a NEW Reality Marble all the Moon Cell does is give ownership of that section to the Caster and due to Reality Marbles showing the caster's inmer world it is overwritten.
In normal HGWs EMIYA uses a border of fire as his bounded field to isolate a piece of the world and overlay it with vision. This should be applicable to Nameless as eventhough he never made contact with Alaya he still based his Reality Marble on the same context.
If Shiki destroyed the Reality Marbles making up the Combat Zones for SE.RA.PH using her MEDP she could either be deleted or fall out of the simulation like LE Hakuno (but i know thats an oof) if the Moon Cell doesn't revert the combat situation to before the Reality Marble was overwritten which is more likely.
If anything she would probably just use the MEDP on the Projected Swords as most likely they would have many lines of death to exploit due to them not being real objects and just being sculptures made from mana/od, reinforcement does strengthen their origin but should not decrease the lines by too much.
Shiki can kill servants. Okay, different Shiki, but you know...
I think the regular Shiki also has the "power" to kill Servants, but she's not nearly as fast enough to keep up, so she'd get rekt before getting a chance to touch them. (well, not really, but she wouldn't last enough to "kill" their Noble Phantasms)
Imma Xehanort well, the shiki in knk can kill a servant, just she can't match a servant physical and magical capability
well its alternative universe, but her background story might be exactly the same before she entered the framework
@@kevinhanandi No...
Magic also does not work on her. She can "kill" magic.
The real action that would beat Shiki is to beat her "physically"
To use magic may awaken "Void" Shiki and just end your life. Void Shiki can instra kill any being but she's pretty much bored. Should you entertain her even a bit by using the magic of the god? Yeah, it's your doom as a reward for entertaining her.
Ryougi Shiki is more than capable of "killing " Reality Marbles. In KnK , her Mystical Eyes of Death Perception is beyond the level of Tohno Shiki's. She can kill living things, non living things, concepts, ideas, thoughts , etc. She can pretty much kill anything .
Caladbolg is used in many games, and even in such case still no excuse for Hrunting. Of course they would demand CCC because any translation is better than no translation. I question their knowledge of Nasuverse.
too bad they don't use shiki theme for this fight
Yeah, that's a little upsetting. Really love her theme. :(
Kevin Hanandi kara no kyoukai movies came out after this
@@myspacebarbrokenevermindif9892 know its been months but knk movies 1-7 ended in 2009, FE came out in 2010
MrInuhanyou123 damn, could've sworn the time scale was different. Ah well
As long as Ryougi Shiki or Tohno Shiki can sense and understand a force nearby, they can trace the lines of death of that force. Barriers, mana flows, and other nonphysical things aren't safe. It's not LIKELY that Ryougi actually would be able to grasp a Reality Marble enough to kill it, but it's not impossible.
Well, Shirou can use reinforcement on his body to a point where he can use Berserker's sword at supersonic speed so matching Gilgamesh isn't the big deal, and even if his stats are high, Gilgamesh has little to no skill in close combat.
And don't forget Shirou absorbed a lot of battle experience from Archer.
My favourite fight of the game. Can't wait for the 10th anniversary remake!
@WarriorPrinny
1.Be in New game plus
2.Clear all Taiga Quests
3. Prior to the final boss fight, there should be a table, flask and a note. Read it then go to the end of the arena.
@OracleCopyCat Skill distribution? If you meant stats, Strength A+, Endurance B and Agility C.
Shiki could probably just kill the moon cell and get out
Archer would hardly give her the time to strain and 'see' it, since he's very much aware of how dangerous she is.
He can reproduce it, yes, but it needs Saber's magical energy (she has to be close) so no he can't use it. Which is why Rho Aias is his best defense.
Archer can easily create strong swords out of nowhere and rain them just like Gil, the problem with Excalibur is that since it was made by the fairies it's hard to reproduce it. But yeah he can get close.
My point is that while she 'can', she either 'wouldn't' out of personal choice because it's more fun, or 'would not be allowed to' because Archer knows what she's capable of as a Counter Guardian himself, and would do his damn best to stop it.
Saladbowls everywhere.
Damn maybe this fight will come back in the remake
Ryougi has the same power as Tohno, but it operates in the opposite way. The same limitations apply to her power.
Its a self contained univrse that are described by nasu's work. The universe has its own rules that are explained through various media such as the fates staynight viusal novel, the knk novel, etc.
Shiki Ryougi would make an awesome Servant Assassin!
And now she is... in fgo
lol
This type of translation/text flow is actually intentional in Type-Moon works, to simulate internal monologues that rarely, if ever, follow gramatical rules.
I haven‘t played the extra games and just watched playthroughs. It seems Archers Rho Aias is the only way to block her game over NP
Killing a Reality marble is something that is unheard of.
In fact it has been stated that regular Ryougi Shiki isn't a match to servants. And the third personnality is barely a match to average servants.
In that regard you have to think about where UBW death spot would be. Its its own reality so theres a good chance its far out of her reach and even trying to get to it would simply lead to her giving Archer an opening to annihilate her (as if he couldnt do that already considering how powerful he is even among servants)
That would still require a ludicrous amount of time, not to mention the sophisticated and complex ability to travel between those planets and build an armada... and if that happens she effective kills herself in the end so it would all be pretty pointless.
Mystic eyes of death perception apparently allow people to kill anything. I haven't read the novels but I think it should be possible. Also, @Evap69, while that is true it wouldn't have made for a very interesting boss fight.
the protag of the kara no kyoukai series also by type-moon
CIS is just a convenient tool when you make a character too powerful to be beaten conventionally in a story. In the context of a mere battle you wouldn't need that. Basically Shiki could be a real pain to a servant but as you know she's limited to a simple human body. As stated by Nasu himself, she could reach Ciel tier
I really like the unlimited blade works music
Perfectly possible for her. Gilgamesh outright destroys a reality marble through pure force in Fate/Zero.
Jesus, I just realized how deadly Shiki really is. Woman hits harder than a truck in this game, and about ten times more durable.
Well, even Gilgamesh was able to kill a world using his Noble Phantasm Ea...
Not quite, yes Saber was able to avoid death because of her luck but at the time it was only C rank meaning that it doesnt take much to break that rule. In addition its been show that the so call unstoppable lance could be stopped as Archer demonstrated with Rho Aias. Sometimes the difference in strength trumps the rule applied to a specific ability. That being said saying she could kill UBW is no different than saying she could kill the world because a Reality Marble isn't just a concept.
Oh yeah , Saber was never nerfed under Shirou's command - she was weakened from start to finish even after the Magic Circuit implant (Which was pretty much just an act to create a bond between Saber and Shirou for Mana supply)
She was only at her best with real Masters like Rin.
No because if it happened it would still be a natural pattern of reality. The fact that something can happen means that reality has made it possible for that to happen. So in itself allowing this in depth understanding of death exist is contradicting its own existence by allowing something that would allow for its own death.
Not exactly, he can only create weapon/shield if they are made of resource found in this universe and upon wielding it, he gain full profficiency. However Excalibur is a weapon that chooses it's master, and shirou is not it's master. Avalon's passive effect only works while saber is nearby cuz it require saber's mana. Avalon cannot be reproduce because it contain material not of this world. Also you must keep in mind they have mana limit and reproducing shield cost ALOT more mana than weapons.
One does not simply challenge Ryougi Shiki.
@XeroMaano
oh ahaha ok, really like this game took me a week to finish it and another week for new game +. cant wait for fate extra CCC :D i want to play this more, but am done using the three servants wish they have made all classes available..
actually I believe I heard someone say that third personality Ryougi can only fight a servant defensively (Nasu's words) though it doesnt specify which type of servant so I just automatically assume hes referring to a True Assassin class as the templet.
Ahem,
Archer vs Ultimate Waifu.
There, i fixed the tittle
Even the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception stand no chance against Rho Aias.
its no ordinary knife dood.. its the jeweled sword of zeldrech...
Good thing she's only got the watered down version of the eyes of Death Perception.
Oh no no no, if you give her half a chance, she will literally tear your ability to fight out piece by piece before just executing you, this guy just managed to stuff every attempt to straight up murder she had
Sorry but no. Fake Helix Sword? It's Caladbolg II. Red hound is a terrible translation of Hound of Crimson Plains, they should've just used its OFFICIAL english name, Hrunting. By the way official english name for projection is Gradation Air. Same would be said with Rho Aias. An example of good translation would be like Unlimited Codes, though I don't know what happened to the translation team. There are various key terms in this particular game that is translated very badly.
True but at least the game is translated. CCC on the hand
No, I'm saying they were like "Fake she could of destroyed the Reality Marble". If the thing really was real she could kill anything on the first hit, which as you saw she do a heavy hit on Archer (Twin Towers) so in reality if she had the chance Archer would be dead.
This is the same Shiki that's said to only be able to fight servants on a 'defensive' battle, mind you. Also, Shiki's effective range is 3 meters; even without UBW, Archer's range is much further than that and he has no need to worry about his Master. You speak as though it's a given that she'd win, but there's no concrete proof she would; she could barely beat Araya with her sword, and if it wasn't for Araya's origin she would've lost.
Goddamn, Unlimited Blade Works. Archer does more damage in ten seconds than he'd done in the entire fight up to that point. And then he keeps going.
fun trivia... this archer is quite broken.. reason include that he can go on bow mode despite he is in UBW... next is that there should only be 1 hrunting... and then its not pre-recognition, its trace on!... and the rho aias isnt really 7 star of heaven and what makes it broken is its usable in any way it should only be usable during magic burst, and it must only block projectiles...
Damn, I love Rho Aius.
Oh, it's possible. Heck, Ryougi Shiki is especially good at using her MEDP to kill "concepts." As a reality marble is a person's essence conceptualized and overlayed upon reality. Unless said person is deathless, I do not see why their reality marble would be.
Although, It stands to reason that anyone fighting a heroic spirit wouldn't divide their attention.
Additionally, Gil's Enuma Elish has broken reality marbles and he's to be in Extra CCC.
Than what about Type-Mercury. It was also stated that it doesn't follow Gaia's laws of death making MEDP useless against it.
Since Ea was an object from outside of Gaia, I just wanted to know if it works.
Yes she can kill many things, but Nasu made it that other wordly beings that don't follow gaia's laws are immune to MEDP.
Ryougi gets sticked in everything
Doesn't really change the fact that he wasn't quite familiar with nasuverse, sure he wasn't obligated to do so but it doesn't prevent it from simply being bad.
Actually, he just needs to spend a lot of magical energy in order to use "projection" magic. The whole "materials" thing is a lie because Shiro's actually a natural "projection" user" (he just didn't use it much because his father told him it was useless) And sure he shares magic with Saber, but that's not why he could.
As for Rho Aias. It's more like a double-edged sword. It can block attacks and avoid fatal strikes, but every time each layer/petal break, the user takes damage anyways
6:37 what you are looking for
guys we’re gonna see shiki in hd
just watch the movies?
no
@@dollsgwen why?
hinted doesnt mean it is, and even so Nasu is the maker of both worlds, so if he said she can only fight defensively than thats his judgment.
It depends on the Servant's experience - it was already mentioned that Caster was inexperienced in melee combat and Archer did a whole lot of insane things with mediocre stats.
Really puny Servants like Avenger would probably be screwed within seconds but most of the Servants from Zero and F/SN wasn't exactly your typical average Servant.
Funny how the Berserker Class is supposed to be a class for weak Heroic Spirits and Masters just force-summon a powerful Heroic Spirit in it's place.
Yeah, she could do that. From just this game, in her own words when she uses her Noble Phantasm if you give her the chance, "I can kill anything, even a god". Said attack does 99,999 and inflicts Death with 100% success (considering max hp is 9,999, also Rho Aius will fail, it cancels out Thrice setting Sun by the Death Status and while Aphotic Cave will work, since it reduces to 10% which is 9,999 anyway, same result. Even code cast Add () Invalid won't work)
Well theres the issue "probably." Sometimes you merely have to account for the difference in power and not just assume an ability can be applied to all situations merely because a rule says it does. I mean look at Gae Bolg "Will pierce the heart no matter what" yet it clearly says that enough luck will allow one to dodge it. The simple fact is that while Shiki is indeed impressive taking into account how powerful and actually incomprehensible UBW is I doubt she could destroy it.
the mystic eyes have no limit, they can kill anything
A game based off of a game.
We need to delve deeper!
It's not the capability to 1-shot people, it's the capability to bring forward a fated death.
If the enemy is strong enough/not fated to die (Arcuied Brunestud at her strongest / Araya Soren) then she is unable to 1-hit them.
Actually...it is heard of..in a certain doujin work series. You'd know this if you frequent a certain site..it was hilarious because they will spam this answer when you ask "can shiki kill... ?"
what
"Her MEoDP allows her to perceive the death of more or less anything that exists. Whether it is a person, an object, a ghost, a disease, a thought lingering in someone's mind, magecraft, a ward, a psychic attack, etc., so long as it exists, she can kill it."
Taken from the wiki, case closed?
@legionz200 I can't wait for CCC either. Meanwhile, I have a list of personal achievements for Extra on each servant. I have completed the game 6 times now(3 Saber, 2 Caster, Archer), and I am on week 4 rani's route with caster for my 7th playtrough. :3
Well the Types are in another category entirely so i didn't include them.
Kinda wondering how Shiki Ryougi got herself into this mess in the first place, she had her happy end in Kara no Kyoukai, so how did this happen?! XD
its alternative universe,
but if her background story is the same, well she will always be addicted to killing so there is always a reason for her to fight.
Or probably she end up as Assassin Class instead.
Well Avalons function it to shield the user by moving them into... well Avalon (the world of fairies) but thats the thing, Ea is a world destroying NP which means that it in theory can destroy Avalon since it is a world. That being said its likely they would cancel each other out. Ea would destroy Avalon, but in return Ea would have used its full power and would likely leave an opening for Saber to attack in.
I'm not saying that it cant be destroyed only that she may lack the ability to destroy it. this is the universe we are talking about after all, it would be like a spec of dust causing the Earth to explode... and thats being generous.
Well in that regard, she could still only kill him so many times, not 12, beheading, Excalibur laser, pierce through the heart and then just ripping him apart that would equal 6 deaths at max. But the wiki isnt always correct, the most common understanding ive encountered is that a weapon is counted as the attack, so 1 kill from excalibur would be it, it would explain Archers tactics in fighting him. Using different weapons each time. Overedge counts a different weapon.
Lair of the Beast King disagrees. Einhase disagrees, if that can be considered one. Wallachia disagrees. Araya's Spiral Building disagrees.