World of Warships- A Submarine The Playerbase Might Actually Enjoy?? (I-56)
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2022
- Hello guys, today we discuss the I-56, A Japanese Premium Submarine that appears to be the test bed for 'Cruiser' Submarines. Which shifts the gameplay of subs to a more aggressive and risky gameplay style. Enjoy!
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I feel like the homing torps having a very short range and the dummy fired torps having a longer range is how they should've had all subs set to.
I love this idea. The range of the homing torps is what makes them cancerous as well as boring. I like playing submarines in close because it's more fun, but it's definitely not as effective as just yeeting torps at 12km and annoying everyone on both teams
@@rovelfox7832 this, and the fact that the maximum range of depth charge airstrike is 11km. Most ships that have this type of armament are stuck at 7-8 km max, allowing the sub to ping them all game long with zero risk.
@@rovelfox7832 Annoying everyone on both teams is the definition of a griefer. Which reinforces my thoughts on subs. They are a tool WG added for griefers.
No. SUBS, don't belong in this game besides there own mode and/or Operations. In no way do these ships fit into the currents Meta of today!!!
@@lickkittysplit3871 Tell that to WeeGee and see if they'll listen to you at this point. They're in the game whether you or I like it or not at this point. I agree the way the specific sub in this video is implemented and played is a much healthier implementation of subs than the normal pinging type. Not to mention that I agree it looks MUCH more fun than the norm.
The gun and the lack of speed makes this ship feel much more like a real submarine. I absolutely love the deck gun, I could care so much less about the speed because those speeds are what should be, this ship just feels much more rugged too due to her hp. All around, this should be the textbook submarine.
This is the only sub that I was actually somewhat interested in when I saw it, I like the large pacific ocean going subs of the IJN, and my biggest issue with subs is that you have no guns to shoot, so I guess this kinda fixes that.
Also im glad the video I end up being in the same match is one where I do pretty decent lol, I was in the New Orleans
I can't wait for the M-Class with a single 305mm gun strapped to it
That M-Class, depending on tier could go from a BB parasite to a cruiser molester.
Seeing your gameplay reminds me of Steel Ocean submarines... The low dive time, non homing torps, near surface torp launch, it looked so intense
Surprised I'm saying this but this sub actually looks fun. Now if every sub was like this I wouldn't feel guilt for making my team face a sub.
Don't know about the 1.5 sec deck gun reload, but otherwise, yes it does.
I played both premiums and unlike the two tech tree varients being released these are alot of fun. You have to be constantly aware of positioning to be effective and if you want to use your torps you have to expose yourself. Any mistake in your positioning can get you killed or make you ineffective in the battle.
This sounds pretty good. 🎉
I call BS on this. All I-56 has to do is get close to a cap and spam the flank with torps. It is beyond braindead and broken.
@@Fackeldackel it has highly detectable torps and and they are unguided. Also since it can only stay down for 2 min that means there will be a window where it is detectable from 7.2 km. And since it only goes 13knots underwater there is nowhere it can go so camping caps isn't ideal. It does best at range targeting ships that go in a straight line for extended periods of time. . It's almost as effective as a shimakaze. But Shima can go into cap, has 3 sets of torps, and can get closer to the target.
@@waffle3632 I do own I56 and consider her way stronger than any other T8 sub. There is no skill or positioning involved, she just floods the map with torps. It is ludicrous.
@@Fackeldackel I disagree, the American and German subs just need to send out torps and ping a target, then they all hit, those lines are broken. The only thing you are a threat toin the Japanese sub is ships that do not turn, you are extra slow so navigating to those choke points is not easy. And even then what's to stop ships from turning around to a different flank. It would be the same if a Holland was around. I both played and killed this sub plenty of times. In Yueyang, amagi, Amalfi, and Alabama
Ngl. This is pretty cool and opens up a lot for fun submarines. I hope they will add subs like the Surcouf or the M-class Submarines from the royal navy.
Ah yes citadel cruisers for days by surfacing in your surcouf and pop reload booster at point blank range since they probably gonna island camp anyways
Just wait till we get the French sub with a twin 8in turret
U-190 does 13 knots and the Salmon does 16 knots submerged, the I-56 is in line with the other tier 8 subs, the tier 6 are the fast ones in comparrison with 13 knots on both of them
i really wonder if adding surcouf and i-400 class subs was the plan right from the get go, seeing how many strange ship type's exist i think we might get to see a pretty wide array of subs, from mobile and nimple to heavy big slow cruiser subs
Ok, so hear me out. Make all the other subs follow the same vein of slow speed, manual deck gun, etc. just as a way to overall balance the sub class, AND make it so that sonar pings can only lock onto other subs. Homing torps should ONLY exist to help you fight other subs, they should NOT be able to lock onto surface vessels. Lemme know what you think.
Good changes if the braindead guys in Lesta would actually listen to you
It's a nice ship to get a Kraken Unleashed in. You fight a lot, lose some health, get improved performance with Adrenaline Rush, then heal with Yamamoto. Easy.
yeah if subs were based around this concept i dont think they would get the hate they currently get
imagine WG adding the I-400
a sub that can launch planes :p
No. NO. SHHHH! Don't give them ideas! Next thing we'll end up having the Alicorn from AC7.
that poor Rooke...nothing he could do...but i agree an this is better then a lot of other subs...still hate them though
wait for the surcouf sub-cruiser....
Nice UI feature is you can see where the torps you fired are on the minimap. Not sure if that's been there awhile or not but that is a cool feature.
Got the Japanese premium first roll of the bundles, super fun ship to play so far, first few matches were rough.
Fun fact: the Type B1 class of IJN subs actually had a surface speed of about 24 knots and 8 knots underwater, which is similar to this one... Unfortunately, the type B3 ones (and I56 is suppose to be this type) was much slower
I like being able to use the gun on it. You can actually smack at an enemy sub while you get your nose around or dodge their torps if they are or are near the surface.
I received this sub yesterday and honestly, I don't dislike it. I thought it would be boring and useless, and it's actually neither of those. It can be boring on the Two Brothers map, otherwise there's plenty to engage in. It's short range homing torpedoes and sonar seem well balanced, making I-56 a good brawler. It even has a gun on top, so you can finish off low health ships on the surface. Handling is what you expect, not great. But you can upgrade that.
Best way to use the torps is to give your torpedos time to travel(usually about half the distance to the target) and use the ping to the the torpedo terminal homing to the target. the soviet sub is the only one that Ive found not worth it using the acoustic torpedos
I expect to see the I 400 as the t 10 Japanese sub.
i-400 fitting better as something like a super submarine.
That would be a hybrid sub lmao
@@doomguy.23frommars60 yep. it had a hanger and 2 planes on it.
Damn now I definitely I want Surcouf! Submersible DD with dual 8 inch guns, both fixed and rotating torpedo tubes and a spotter plane... please
They should just cancel all guided Torps and make unguided usable on all subs.
I got the S-189 from a couple random bundles yesterday. I can promise you its nuts with Kuznetsov on it
I knew from reading the stats that it was gonna be played much differently than the other subs, and I just hope it works out, because it's very likely this is what the tech line japanese submarines will be like when they are eventually introduced into the game
Problem with subs is too few people play them. Just like with carriers playing a sub teaches you pretty quick how to deal with them.
They are only a problem if you don't understand their limitations.
For instance homing torpedoes are extremity easy to avoid and make a sub far more vulnerable.
If not wrong, being this one T8, your damage done in match was really nice.
To talk about submarine of this game style, yeah, thats probably what could attract me to play them.. finally.
Useable HP, but low mauneuverability, focus on normal type torpedoes and even funny but useable deck gun.
Maybe even some AA flak gun.
Short submerged time (low battery capacity is another stat what it should be on subs maybe except latest type german one).
Finally sorry if I just repeated what you, SLM have already said, I became fanatic yesman during this vid.
Finding opportunities, chaotic fights, torps, gun, some kiting. Even admiring that same sky scenery of game as surface ships players have.
I am recruited right now.
It has working deck gun! Thank zi lord!
So we might see the French submarine surcouf appear in game with a function 203 mm duel barrel deck that neat
I agree , I was battle an i56 for almost an entire game, they were doing exactly as you said…might have been you…I was dodging Torps and he kept just out of sight, so I couldn’t find them .
I think your right, however, I do feel that subs should have a top speed on the surface equal to all surface ships at the tier until spotted, once spotted you slow down to its normal speed. That way subs can get into the battle before its over, below water stays the same 13, theres nothing worse than finally getting into the fight with only 2 enemy ships left to destroy, I have played a few of the subs with surface top speed of less than 20 and it takes for ever to get into the battle, when you do, your torps take so long to get to target, other surface ship make the kill although you torps are still makibg the way to target, either that or make the torps 100 or 110 knots
I've no interesting in submarines but since i main Japan so IJN subs are exceptional.
This is a very beautiful submarine and i'm kind of interesting about it.
I've recently been toying with the submarine class and this one looks like a blast.
Waiting for the french "surcouf" cruiser-submarine... Which could use the same gameplay as the i-56
Stats are horrible compared to other subs BUT !
It's actually super fun to play
I agree, this should be the baseline for submarines going forward. And the Surcouf would be interesting to play.
WWII subs COULDN'T use torps like modern subs can! the acoustic torpedoes the Germans developed worked, BUT....... They were easily countered by the NIXIE decoys.
Can't wait for the M-Class
I thought from the title you were going to be talking about the Neptune! 😂
The developers can shove Subs up their backsides, this was a surface combat game, that was what drew people to it. There were and are very few surface combat games out there, but there sure were plenty of submarine games you didn't need it infest this game with subs.
I completly agree the I-56 is super fun and it honestly makes me excited that we may get surcouf or even the m-class submarines
Also having a alternative german submarine branch with a more gun focused play style since there where a few interesting "cruiser submarines" designed by germany in ww1
Here would be my suggestions
T6 bassically just a copy of U-69 but with a playercontrolled deck gun
T8 U-139 (project 46)
T10 "Tauchschiff projekt 50"
I'd really like to see dds and cls get a foxer consumable to run that would throw off the homing torps. A better counter than just dcp and maneuver.
Well if they do this again I hope they do it for the French subs since they did create a sub with gun the size of a cruiser
Yes.
got it too, it is pretty bad underwater but when it surface it get battery twice fast than it use underwater. still don t know what kind of build on the sub and captain use but for me it is a sniper sub you stay at surface only diving for plane or ship coming close by, and only use the guided torp when under water ( as if you are far enought they can "climb" up to they target), have nt tried the gun yet,, just saw that it can t fire directly at front . but if you team up with a DD or a ship with smoke , and radar / hydro that could be a nice duo to counter another sub.
i also checked the russian sub, it have very weak guided torp ( 5k dmg)
Also got this as the first, Its fun but i feel dirty playing it, and I have 3 T10 Cvs, plus a premium one.
u know what would be cool if they are able to bring the I400 in the game.
when will they allow raiders and frog man as a weapon/ ability type?
Interesting, the first bundle available to me was the soviet sub, and they gave me the American tier 8 for the 50k free xp.
The only sub that no one can complain about how annoying other subs are
So sad to see SLM go over to the Dark Side.
If like to see them out the I-400 in the game. Like give it either a spotter, or general airstrikes.
Imagine having a surcouf with reload booster that is stuffing 8 inch shells into the side of a cruiser who's island camping and suddenly you get a devstrike in 10 seconds and then disappear. Lmao...
Should have removed the ping, add a sort of soft magnetic torp which auto attract the torps to the target but with a huge margin of error, maybe duds or torps explode before reaching target
imoo there are actualy two types of subs in the Game:
Nr 1 : pops up and agarantued easy kill within Seconds.
Nr 2 : Never to be seen, Takes out half of your Team,including myslf..
i Wonder if its just Balance or are there such as godlike sub Players..
you know its a lot of fun with usual submarines if you ignore the homing torps and just go up to people submerged, surface, and point blank torp them
this subs conceal is ok, it's horrible that the other ones can ping so much and are goddamn invisible, way better conceal than most dds
Can't wait for the I-400 tbh, if only RTS CVs were still ingame
If I-56 is at T7, then when...and I do hope it is indeed a WHEN...the I-400 gets added, that will indeed be at T10.
Subs: I played a tier 6 match today in which I had 8 depth charge hits on a sub, which then surfaced. EIGHT!!!! ( yes EIGHT) Once surfaced my DD banged it several times scoring hits with main battery, at close range, and yet --- the sub survived. I died. He remained alive the remainder of the game. Unbelievable. Not really a fan of subs in the game.
Problem is they won't change the old subs. This is way more balanced, way more fun, and what's quite important for me, more realistic.
I'd be happy if you could control the deck guns on the US and German subs as well (and give the Type IX it's 105mm deck gun).
Play subs like a DD and you don't use the sonar ping much anyway as it gives your position away (especially against CVs now - their auto Anti-sub air attack is deadly).
I also think the dumb torps should have had the longer range, the speed they have in real life and the hard hitting affect. This would remove the greatest annoyance most people have against subs at the moment - that painful ping every 20 seconds.
What would you put on your Georgia commander
I'm still waiting on the HMX X1 at tier X. That thing will outgun even some DD's. (It has the same amount but even larger guns than the Halland. 132mm guns to be exact) That is a sub I will pay for, not to mention it was actually well armored as well. Slap a heal on it to help its gimmick of popping and knife fighting things and I would definitely drop money on it. Heck I don't even want homing torps on it I'll take the 6 tubes regular ol dummy fire style.
Subs got alot funner when I stopped pinging. I ended up just lobbing torps as a German sub in the way of ships like a DD just under water. I've had much success not pinging. Pinging just makes it easier to be tracked down. Most subs are easy to hunt down cause they are re just pinging!! They really are not as hard to combat as people say
over all looks really nice and fun, even though im not a submarine guy myself, more of a BB main if Im being honest. But the over all gameplay for this sub is interesting to say the least, definitely hoping for this with the British subs when they add them in( or if we are lucky war gaming allows the use of the deck gun in american and german subs). the only thing that really bothers me ( well not bother but definitely made me take a step back) was the absolute machine gun fire rate of the gun, its just, wow that thing is a tad to fast for a gun of its size. I mean I understand why they did this since the historical gun would only be able to shoot every 12 seconds, so only having one gun, well have yo compensate somehow I guess. Although 2 seconds seems a bit too fast for that 140mm gun, I say that a speed of around 3.5 ish seconds should suffice, making them fast shooters but not overly so. unless thats a lower caliber gun with a much faster fire rate, in which case just ignore everything I said.
I d like to try it. I played subs on and off and found them boring. This looks like this might make sense and be fun. Perhaps I’ll get it from a wargambling crate as I’m not paying for something they’ll most likely change in 3 weeks. I do hope this is where the class is headed
I fired my torps same as dd. No pinging or else detected asap like magic. And getting bombarded by planes
This looks like the only sub I will actually want to purchase and play. The tech trees I'll FxP, and possibly use for the operation, but I really don't expect to have any fun in them, I much prefer surface combat in the other operations, but this looks like it might actually be a fun sub, which is an oxymoron.
Got this on 15th go, its so much fun. catches alot of people out, just dont get boxed in!!
I have never, not ever, had any luck (i.e., something good on the first or even second draw) with random bundles during these events when they have ships I'm even mildly interested in. I look at this video then log in out of curiosity; not even interested in subs. There's the S189 waiting for a cool 1k dubs. I wish I could get a peek at the data. Because I wonder if the "randomness" on the crates for this event has been adjusted a bit to massage this release.
They should limited the type of ships in 1 battle, like more DDs and Subs but no CVs, or more Cruisers and BBs but no Subs. Make the matchmaking balance instead of shoving everything in. It's so frustrating trying to figure what's spotting you, what to dodge or just where to go because everything is all over the place.
Oh yeah, submarine that's slow and has to attack you from close range make sense , not sniping you from 12km away
Fun to play set aside, gun fire rate way too fast for manual loading. Submerged speed should be slow otherwise the water flow noise across the sonar dome/array will blind the sub forcing it to periscope depth.
Me and the boys waiting for Surcof
It has always befuddled me how the IJN could have arguably mediocre submarines that they never utilized with much elan or effect. Yet they had the world's finest torpedo that was the terror of ABDA.
On the other side, the US had some of, if not the best submarines of the war ( granted my knowledge of British, French, & Italian subs is very limited ) and arguably the most comfortable... as comfortable as you could make a sub back then. And yet, we had the infamous Mk.13 torpedo, a cursed weapon that had cost the lives of many a Submariner.
P.S. If they are going to have the behemoths, that would rule. Nautilus, with her twin 6 in. guns would be a hoot... probably die very fast and a lot, but a hoot none the less.
Mk 13 was the airdropped torp, the Mk 14 is the Sub launched variant, and for completeness, the Km15 was the surface launched (DD) variant, all three were apart of the same family of torpedoes, and shared many of the same problems, but the Mk 14, when first deployed, was the greatest turd, well not counting BuOrd and their response to the sub crews experiences
Also there is the ancient Mk 10 submarine torpedoes.
@@merafirewing6591 I think some of our Sub crews would have been happy with that compared to what they got, at least the MK 10s went boom when they needed to
I do love this sub, it's a good cat/mouse game. I have min set up for fast dive time refill. and reload speed. :)
I love the I-56. I never use the homing torps on it. The dumb fire torps are just too good.
I wish there was a decent guide on how to play this thing... I really want to like this sub, but I struggle tremendously, it's already a good match if I manage to get 1 torp into a ship...
only the european torps will be going faster than 77 knots, that is not slow for a torp at tier 8, at all
Oh you will really like Dutch and French subs with trainable torps and mine laying subs...yes, mines...we need them.
I mean, it sounds like a DD with crappier gun, low range torps and what functionally is unlimited smoke screens. Ok, I guess?
i rly liked this sub
Surcouf would be very fun
I might just get one of these... 🤔
Actually I got this ship from a budle. I like idea of this sub. Any build suggestion?
HEY I PLAY WITH A SUB ...BUT WEN IN BATTLE WITH ANOTHER SUB...HE DISSAPPEARS .....WHAT IS HE PUSHING TO DO THAT? PLZ HELP
Submarine rework when? We need WeeGee to shift the rest of the subs' gameplay to be more in line with this.
if a submarine started shooting at me, yes I would be less upset than I am with their other iterations lol
Obligatory: "You were meant to destroy the dark side, not join it!"
"Bring balance to the mm, not leave it in darkness!"
Still need to play around with the Russian sub
For the love of God wargaming, add the M-class
This is how the subs should be been. None of that bend it like Beckham and underwater speedboat nonsense. This would've made them far less controversial. Surface speed is still too fast especially when it can outrun cruisers amd battleships
reload time of 1.7 seconds, what are they feeding the sub crews
Funny chocolate imported from Germany and one kenpeitai agent.
The sub problem is that they exist in fandoms
Yes this sub is maybe the weaker but is the must fun to play.
Nope, Not playing subs at all.
Another line I'll have to free xp just for collection.
just got mine 1000 doubloons ok its a krap sub but fun to run.
i have this sub and she is fun to play
I play wows legends on console and I really don't want pinging subs in the game. The use of a damage con to remove the ping is an ENORMOUS nerf to any ship with limited damage cons (Russian ships get 3 damage controls -ish) It would mean almost absolute death by fire or flooding if you used damage cons to remove pings and also death by torps if you didn't. I would not at all mind a sub like this one, but ANY pinging sub could wreck legends.
Well thats why they day they add subs in legends we should tell them that legends CVs are different and more balanced then PCs like only one per team and only two plane groups etc... so I think legends subs be different maybe unrecognizable
@@doomguy.23frommars60 or something close to Silent Hunter style gameplay?