Fair play mate, great video. Addressed the exact questions I had concerning how the case performed when replacing the front fans for a radiator to watercool the cpu instead of air cooling it.
Throurough as always :D. I just want to say that your Lian Li mesh 2 and your Tomahawk B550 build videos really really helped me out when building my own pc a few weeks ago, I havent had any problems with my build, big thank you
Brilliant review, very detailed and professional! Quick question, you mentioned about fan curves to keep the noise down. What fan curve did you use or what % of fan speed would you recommend to balance cooling with noise?
It was a combination of your video and the Gamers Nexus video that convinced me to buy this case and I must say it's my favorite I've owned in 15 years of building! Thanks for such an in-depth look!
I love that you pointed out being able to see the LED lights in the 180s depending on the angle you look at it. I have been looking everywhere and no one else has mentioned it. My question is, does it appear to be worse on camera than in real life? Thank you! Love you work.
I already have the case, waiting on noctua for my mounting bracket to actually build, but im glad you covered the exhaust fan thing, id been wondering whether or not to put an exhaust fan back there. Thanks for the video, you saved me a few deciebels of ambient noise!
I must admit I'm finding it hard to choose between this one and the bequiet 802. Seems to be excellent cases both. Excellent review and testing as always.
802 doesn't have PWM controllable fans although it does have a front panel fan speed switch, the Torrent fans are all PWM (Pulse Width Modulation) meaning you can use Fan curves in the mobo BIOS.
Really nice review and Kudos to taking the time and effort to sort out the thermal issues with the cpu. Would have been easy to just blame it on the case airflow but you tracked it down. Both the 10700k and 10850k are some of the best performance/value chips of the entire Intel stack at current market prices! Will keep this case under consideration and I really want to see the new yet to be available Lian Li Lancool III case as well. My last build was in a Lancool II and totally pleased and for the money is a hard case to beat. Other reviewers on this Torrent case are reporting $200-230 U.S. depending on model ordered. Wait for it to settle down and see where the street price ends up after the initial introduction. I would say for the black non RGB around $160-165 would be a will very probably buy but not so much at $200+.
I'm wondering if the rear exhaust fan will direct the exhaust from the cpu cooler straight out back preventing it from going into the power supply which would possibly lower the air temperature going into the power supply intake thereby lowering the temperature of the air exiting from the power supply. As far as I know there is no answer to this yet. I will have a Fractal Torrent case in a few days and with the Arctic P14 fan I ordered I will find out. I will try to remember to come back here with my findings.
@@thanosaias2717 Yes, it definitely does work. I got the arctic p14 CO with ball bearings for Continuous Operation and I found that if I put that fan in the rear and run it faster than the other fans it pulls the heat out before it gets to the psu. I'm using the program "fan control" and have it on a curve with all of the other fans but the rear fan is on a 40% offset so that it runs 40% faster than all the other fans on the curve. It greatly lowered the temperature of the air coming out of the power supply and I recommend for everybody to use a 140mm rear fan in the fractal torrent case. I can see where people don't really care because a power supply should be able to handle the higher heat but I also know that electrolytic capacitors last a lot longer if you keep them cooler. Those capacitors losing capacitance over time is what makes a power supply not be any good 10 years later. I know this because I have an electronics degree.
What rpm were the 180mm fans set at? my observation of 180mm fans in my applications. after about 900rpms the cooling does not improve but the noise really increases.
Depending what cooler you're using, case config etc, fans, GPU type, you can have diminishing returns at 1500rpm or 900, or even lower. In a perfect airflow build with 3x 140x35 front intake, everything else sealed, back completely open, and a volume smaller than 40L, you can start see diminishing returns at 600-700rpm or bellow 35dba threshold, if running an air cooler. However, you don't have a perfect case unless you mod one heavily, and good 140x35 either. Let's hope phanteks launches the t30 in 140mm version. This case is big and inefficient.
35% for idling /doodling in WIndows, and 40-50% for gaming etc. More than 50% does next to nothing, which is a testament to how good the air flow is with this case.
Based after several replay's of this excellent review / re-thinking in building my new setup , i've decided to go for the Grey / Black Torrent Release. I will replace the default FAN's with a total of 4 Prisma AL-18 PWM (2 Front, 2 Bottom). No rear exhaust is needed here. For CPU i wil combine it with the Noctua NH-DS15S Chromax Black. Looking forward to build it.
how sturdy is the case? it is quite large, can we grab it by the top back edge, and the front top edge and confidently lift a fully loaded system up and move it? I don't like fragile cases at all, and many recent cases with quick release panels can't even be picked up without falling apart comically.
I have this case. I will say there is no back lip, and the front lip is part of the front panel. I don't feel comfortable picking it up that way. I don't have much issue toting it around in a bear hug holding onto the bottom lips, though.
When you say under load, what wattage is the CPU pulling on avg? Also Is it factory recommend wattage 125/243 (something like that) or is it unlimited wattage like it comes out of the box from Intel.
I wonder if you can get extra 180mm brackets so you could get another two 180mm fans to have huge fans at the front AND the bottom, looking completely stunning? But then again… scratch that, the cooler towers would distract from the wow factor. Also, I’d probably go with a full metal enclosure anyways, and disable light on the fans altogether, if I get the chance.
If I have something like a hybrid rtx 3000 series card, am I better going with something like a meshify 2 (normal, not compact or XL) where I can also use an AIO for my CPU?
When you configure rear fan/ no rear fan or different speeds of rear fan, you look at the VRAM temps of that GPU and power temps. On the GPU itself differences are negligible. GPU doesn't fry, memory modules are often sizzle specially on 2k and 4K resolution. Specially if GPU is equipped with Micron or Hynix VRAM. GPU itself will just throttle down if is too hot. Another thing Fractal Torrent Compact is smaller and doesn't come with 3x 140mm fans only the front 2x180mm. Hope it helps.
So what is now the best airflow way? Im thinking about doing 2/180 in front and 3/140 in bottom or putting 3/140 and front an bottom…u did the 3/140 front and bottom with other fans so what is better now with only using the fractal fans?
A very surprising result for a case that was designed for an aircooling build. But at the end of the day, this was supposed to be a test for the extreme scenarios. Just add a reasonable PL and undervolt your CPU if you're using flagship processor, and adjust the fan curve and you are set.
I like this case, but I don't like the idea of routing the aio cooler hoses at the top of the rad when it is front mounted. I know there is probably no way to route them at the bottom without vertical mounting the gpu which I'm not happy about either. I also don't like the glass on both sides or the missing rear fan not included. I guess I'll keep looking.
Tubes on top doesn't hurt the aio, it just might result in trickling noise, and that's not even a for sure thing. Most people do tubes on top and have no noise. Air won't reach the pump as long as the top of the rad is higher than the pump.
I just installed the two 180mm fans on the bottom and Im a bit disappointed it's the worse option, though not by a lot. But yeah I just really wanted to use those cool, enormous fans
Hello! Alot of in depth testing, very cool! One thing. Would it make any difference in temps/noise at all to move the GPU to a lower PCI-E slot, getting it closer to the bottom fans and make more space between the GPU and the CPU cooler?
Hi Christopher, first of all congratulations for your great reviews and thermal tests, really useful. I have a question about fans connections to the fanhub of this Torrent. I’ll make my build connecting noctua fans to cpu fan header (with a split or using both cpu fan and cpu opt fan, to have more accuracy in fan settings curve if necessary) and all the torrent fan to fanhub and then the fanhub to one free motherboard chassis fan header. Fractal manual says to connect also the cpu fan to the hub (white fan header), the first. In this configuration all fans will go up and down continuously following cpu temp and is not a good choice in my opinion ! What appen if i will connect to the hub all 5 torrent fans : all the fans will be controlled as one but what kind of control will i have? Percentage of rpm or rpm ? How does hub work ? when i put different fans (like 140 and 180) they spin at different rpm cause is the % that is regulated by fan curve from bios ? Thanks in advance and sorry for my english
In case of a non-led build this case is supreme. Just use 6x Noctua 14mm intake fans on front and bottom, running at low-medium static speed. Include the Noctua NH-D15 or a Peerless Assassin to your (preferably less power-hungry AMD cpu, put in a proper air-cooled 4090 and you are set. Haven’t seen temperatures above 80 Celsius yet (for cpu or gpu) using a powerful 7950x3d. The reviewer here went for looks and used his spare Noctua 12’s. Thankfully he showed the gains and losses of trying out an AIO, a rear-fan and a extremely hot cpu. Because they only had a white model of the non-led case and Aero 24G gpu available I now have a stunning white build. It DOES have the case light-strip next to the power-unit b.t.w. I also put in 2x 48GB memory offering an abundance of high-speed ram.
I wish people would do thermals testing with optimized fan speeds. 100% fan speed with this case is stupid and impractical, you don't need more than 50%, more than that not only doesn't do anything, but is loud aaf. That fact also shows just how good the airflow with this case is.
it isn't, but an AIO could be. He did a build with a Fractal AIO and an i9-11900 but I don't see any test results of that setup. I'm building the same i9-12900 config so I'd like to know how the temps are before I buy and build myself
@@treyquattro yeah Trey! i love this guy's videos, LOVE him but...instead of just 'fixing' the temp prob by downgrading cpu he didn't really give any opinions on how to cool the i9-11900 and higher (12900 etc.). i'm fairly new to this so i'm wondering how the hell we're going to cool those cpu's? any suggestions or videos or info? thanks Trey or anyone else. -barbie:)
@@treyquattro hey Trey, thanks so much for the reply, i really appreciate it. i'm thinking of putting it in the Fractal Torrent but i was wondering if since it's such an awesome 'air' case that if adding an AIO would somehow counteract the effect (if that makes any sense:):) - barbie
@@8barbies779 I went with the Fractal Meshify 2 Compact over a Fractal Torrent Compact because I couldn't put an AIO in a Torrent - front mounted is the only feasible option - and still have the 180mm fans, which for me was a big part of deciding on a Torrent. I felt that the standard-sized Torrent was just too big. I love the look of the Torrents but I'm very happy with my choice of Meshify 2 Compact. It's great for an ATX build, and the roof panel is removable making building a lot easier than if you can't remove the root (like in a Torrent). I have 2 HDDs and 1 SDD in the case. My mobo has 5 M.2 slots so I'm good for storage. The Fractal Celsius+ S28 was also a great buy: I didn't know if I needed a 360mm AIO or 280mm. Turns out that 280mm is almost as effective (check out various comparisons at Gamers Nexus e.g.) and it's a much better fit in the compact case, especially with the HDD cage in the floor. Good luck with your build!
Isn't it better to have some standard components for tests (like gpu, cpu, ram, motherboard, etc) to compare and review cases? It's not scientific to change two or more elements of system to check for differences.
This case is so obviously aimed at air users hence the 2 x180 front fans etc. but, all these reviewers keep trying to put radiators in it lol. The clue is even in the name.
It does scream airflow, as I presume no AIO exists for 2x180 fans in the front, and the bottom of the case is a poor location for a radiator. Also having a 3x120 AIO in the front looks wrong as the case is so wide. But interestingly, the word Torrent refers to water, rather than air: "a stream of water flowing with great rapidity and violence"
@@donkeysunited No need to be so pedantic. Torrent is often also used to describe air, just as current is used for water/air etc. It is more an indication of a sudden unexpected large occurrence.
It's funny how all these reviews completely ignore for SSD's and traditional hard drives, which in this case because of poor airflow in the area where they need to be stored get very hot. It's a major flaw in this case that most people aren't aware of or simply like to ignore.
That's surprising that the 2x 180mm fans on the bottom get worse GPU thermals. On paper they should be delivering even more concentrated air flow directly at the GPU fans/heatsink than the more diffused 3x 140mm fans. It's the opposite of what I would expect.
The bottom bracket is design to accommodate smaller fans up to 120mm. A significant part of the 180mm fans is just blocked by the mounting points. No issue on the front of the case. It come with two sets of brackets : one for 120mm/140 fans and the other specifically for 180mm.
Great review! The two criticisms I have are that you spent a bit too long trouble shooting the cpu, which I think is time that could be better spent on other things. I would also like to see temps at lower fan rpm curves if possible. Large fans tend to be great at lower rpms and are very quiet then. I think 2 180s at the bottom might be better in that config.
@@yehnah5891 My overclocked AMD CPU alone takes 143W under load, and the stock wraith prism cooler keeps it at 85 °C running OCCT for hours in a 31 °C room without AC. I have 5 intakes and 0 exhaust. What's more, I have a GPU cooler with a horizontal fin stack, meaning it pushes air front and back instead of up/down the length of the card, AND I have it vertically built into my case offset to be entirely inside the case (because there is no vertical mount option at all, so I need to have clearance for the monitor cables inside the case) so the heat of the entire GPU ends up blown inside the case. The GPU runs at stock memory and core clocks but is undervolted. When I'm 3D rendering my typical delta for the CPU is 55 °C, and 48 for the GPU, these are all well below thermal throttling limits. What's more, it's an mATX form factor case. Again, 5 intake, 0 exhaust. Nothing wrong with such a layout!
70 degrees on the GPU at 55 db noise levels..... Really? What a shame Fractal! I have 4090 and it has 65 degrees in Furmark 10 minuts AIDA64 20 min.- 10700K OC 5100mhz all cores 77degrees, GPU 64 degrees. The Case is Define R5 front door opened. Cooler Noc D15
Rewatch the video you're trying to parrot. Tubes up or tubes down is neither here nor there. You MIGHT get some trickling noise with tubes up, but air will NOT reach the pump as long as the top of the rad is higher than the pump. Top of the rad is what matters, not if tubes are lower than the pump, your info is all messed up.
Your cables are coming apart? Ever heard of electric tape? Black electric (sticky) tape will fix all you "cables not holding together" problems! On the cheap!
Lost the silicon lottery, did due diligence and didn't blame the case. A+ review, mate. Sub'd.
Fair play mate, great video. Addressed the exact questions I had concerning how the case performed when replacing the front fans for a radiator to watercool the cpu instead of air cooling it.
Most scientific case review I’ve ever seen. Absolutely remarkable. Thanks!
absolutely amazing review, great and amazing in-depth analysis!
Throurough as always :D. I just want to say that your Lian Li mesh 2 and your Tomahawk B550 build videos really really helped me out when building my own pc a few weeks ago, I havent had any problems with my build, big thank you
Fantastic review. I just found your channel recently but ill be following your videos going forward
I already bought a new case, but I still enjoy watching these videos.
Brilliant review, very detailed and professional! Quick question, you mentioned about fan curves to keep the noise down. What fan curve did you use or what % of fan speed would you recommend to balance cooling with noise?
It was a combination of your video and the Gamers Nexus video that convinced me to buy this case and I must say it's my favorite I've owned in 15 years of building! Thanks for such an in-depth look!
I love that you pointed out being able to see the LED lights in the 180s depending on the angle you look at it. I have been looking everywhere and no one else has mentioned it.
My question is, does it appear to be worse on camera than in real life?
Thank you! Love you work.
Keep doing this great reviews been following for some months and ur case reviews are very good , u ll get big in utube
I already have the case, waiting on noctua for my mounting bracket to actually build, but im glad you covered the exhaust fan thing, id been wondering whether or not to put an exhaust fan back there. Thanks for the video, you saved me a few deciebels of ambient noise!
This channel deserves more views. Great work!
I must admit I'm finding it hard to choose between this one and the bequiet 802. Seems to be excellent cases both. Excellent review and testing as always.
802 doesn't have PWM controllable fans although it does have a front panel fan speed switch,
the Torrent fans are all PWM (Pulse Width Modulation) meaning you can use Fan curves in the mobo BIOS.
Really nice review and Kudos to taking the time and effort to sort out the thermal issues with the cpu. Would have been easy to just blame it on the case airflow but you tracked it down. Both the 10700k and 10850k are some of the best performance/value chips of the entire Intel stack at current market prices!
Will keep this case under consideration and I really want to see the new yet to be available Lian Li Lancool III case as well.
My last build was in a Lancool II and totally pleased and for the money is a hard case to beat.
Other reviewers on this Torrent case are reporting $200-230 U.S. depending on model ordered.
Wait for it to settle down and see where the street price ends up after the initial introduction. I would say for the black non RGB around $160-165 would be a will very probably buy but not so much at $200+.
Great video, addressed concerns about various fan configuration.
I'm wondering if the rear exhaust fan will direct the exhaust from the cpu cooler straight out back preventing it from going into the power supply which would possibly lower the air temperature going into the power supply intake thereby lowering the temperature of the air exiting from the power supply. As far as I know there is no answer to this yet. I will have a Fractal Torrent case in a few days and with the Arctic P14 fan I ordered I will find out. I will try to remember to come back here with my findings.
Did it work?
@@thanosaias2717 Yes, it definitely does work. I got the arctic p14 CO with ball bearings for Continuous Operation and I found that if I put that fan in the rear and run it faster than the other fans it pulls the heat out before it gets to the psu. I'm using the program "fan control" and have it on a curve with all of the other fans but the rear fan is on a 40% offset so that it runs 40% faster than all the other fans on the curve. It greatly lowered the temperature of the air coming out of the power supply and I recommend for everybody to use a 140mm rear fan in the fractal torrent case. I can see where people don't really care because a power supply should be able to handle the higher heat but I also know that electrolytic capacitors last a lot longer if you keep them cooler. Those capacitors losing capacitance over time is what makes a power supply not be any good 10 years later. I know this because I have an electronics degree.
Incredible review
Best review for this case. Answered all my questions. Thank you.
The CPU heat issue sounds suspiciously like the D15 isn't mounting well to the 11900K.
Hi @ChristopherFlannigan, do you think the problem could have been from the liquid cooler?
What rpm were the 180mm fans set at?
my observation of 180mm fans in my applications.
after about 900rpms the cooling does not improve but the noise really increases.
Just the stock fan curves, but agreed limiting max speed likely to be a good idea as noise was a problem under full load
Depending what cooler you're using, case config etc, fans, GPU type, you can have diminishing returns at 1500rpm or 900, or even lower. In a perfect airflow build with 3x 140x35 front intake, everything else sealed, back completely open, and a volume smaller than 40L, you can start see diminishing returns at 600-700rpm or bellow 35dba threshold, if running an air cooler.
However, you don't have a perfect case unless you mod one heavily, and good 140x35 either. Let's hope phanteks launches the t30 in 140mm version.
This case is big and inefficient.
35% for idling /doodling in WIndows, and 40-50% for gaming etc. More than 50% does next to nothing, which is a testament to how good the air flow is with this case.
Fantastic review! Question though is it possible to use a push/pull fan configuration on the front mounted aio?
I own one of these and I'd 1000% recommend to a friend.
Thanks for so much comprehensive thermal testing!
Based after several replay's of this excellent review / re-thinking in building my new setup , i've decided to go for the Grey / Black Torrent Release. I will replace the default FAN's with a total of 4 Prisma AL-18 PWM (2 Front, 2 Bottom). No rear exhaust is needed here. For CPU i wil combine it with the Noctua NH-DS15S Chromax Black. Looking forward to build it.
3 x bottom intake , why not ?
Thanks for the in depth testing result. Subd.
Great video. I just bought the case
Wonderful breakdown on this case 🙂
Solid overview mate.
Excellent review, you cover fine details. Please review NZXT H7 Flow 2024 version.
It was very helpful in my future build
What do you think about change Fractal Design Torrent intake 2 x 180mm fans for 3 x 140mm fans from Noctua ? (NF-A 14 PWM). Thx for answers...
So, with a new i7-13700k, I can expect to do some PL2 power limiting and undervolting to keep temps in check?
i'm trying to decide if I go AIO (just for the looks mostly) or keep my D15. This video is a godsend, thank you very much!
What is your decide ? 420mm AIO is good choice ?
how sturdy is the case? it is quite large, can we grab it by the top back edge, and the front top edge and confidently lift a fully loaded system up and move it? I don't like fragile cases at all, and many recent cases with quick release panels can't even be picked up without falling apart comically.
I have this case. I will say there is no back lip, and the front lip is part of the front panel. I don't feel comfortable picking it up that way. I don't have much issue toting it around in a bear hug holding onto the bottom lips, though.
When you say under load, what wattage is the CPU pulling on avg? Also Is it factory recommend wattage 125/243 (something like that) or is it unlimited wattage like it comes out of the box from Intel.
The bottom fan bracket also blocks a 420 mm Radiator at the front. I cut the bracket so that I could fit a 420 mm push/pul cooling setup.
Can you share thermal testing ?
@@duycuong7693 pretty good colling results
I wonder if you can get extra 180mm brackets so you could get another two 180mm fans to have huge fans at the front AND the bottom, looking completely stunning? But then again… scratch that, the cooler towers would distract from the wow factor. Also, I’d probably go with a full metal enclosure anyways, and disable light on the fans altogether, if I get the chance.
Would be nice with the new hardware into the 500DX and see which perform better.
If I have something like a hybrid rtx 3000 series card, am I better going with something like a meshify 2 (normal, not compact or XL) where I can also use an AIO for my CPU?
When you configure rear fan/ no rear fan or different speeds of rear fan, you look at the VRAM temps of that GPU and power temps. On the GPU itself differences are negligible.
GPU doesn't fry, memory modules are often sizzle specially on 2k and 4K resolution. Specially if GPU is equipped with Micron or Hynix VRAM. GPU itself will just throttle down if is too hot.
Another thing Fractal Torrent Compact is smaller and doesn't come with 3x 140mm fans only the front 2x180mm.
Hope it helps.
So what is now the best airflow way? Im thinking about doing 2/180 in front and 3/140 in bottom or putting 3/140 and front an bottom…u did the 3/140 front and bottom with other fans so what is better now with only using the fractal fans?
111degrees CPU ? I thought CPU throttle down at 100 degrees. Is it safe for a CPU to go up to 111? Can it destroy itself?
It's Intel latest gen, they run stupid hot. 103 after heat wave, and yes it will throttle.
Hi, If I put 7 Noctua NF-A14 iPPC-3000 PWM into that case how big impact it would have?
Does the exhaust fan have any effect on PSU temps?
A very surprising result for a case that was designed for an aircooling build. But at the end of the day, this was supposed to be a test for the extreme scenarios. Just add a reasonable PL and undervolt your CPU if you're using flagship processor, and adjust the fan curve and you are set.
good information very helpful
Isn't it a good thing to add a rear exhaust fan just so all that hot air doesn't get sucked into the power supply?
I like this case, but I don't like the idea of routing the aio cooler hoses at the top of the rad when it is front mounted. I know there is probably no way to route them at the bottom without vertical mounting the gpu which I'm not happy about either. I also don't like the glass on both sides or the missing rear fan not included. I guess I'll keep looking.
Tubes on top doesn't hurt the aio, it just might result in trickling noise, and that's not even a for sure thing. Most people do tubes on top and have no noise. Air won't reach the pump as long as the top of the rad is higher than the pump.
@christopher Flannigan can I use this case with Msi Motherboard AMD AM4 B550 A-PRO ?
Why not?
where do u place the mic to record the dba ?
gibt es eine alternative für dieses Gehäuse?
Do you think the AIO cooler configuration would be good enough for i9-12900K + RTX3090?
Is therr any case to hold six 3.5" hard disk
I just installed the two 180mm fans on the bottom and Im a bit disappointed it's the worse option, though not by a lot. But yeah I just really wanted to use those cool, enormous fans
Hello! Alot of in depth testing, very cool! One thing. Would it make any difference in temps/noise at all to move the GPU to a lower PCI-E slot, getting it closer to the bottom fans and make more space between the GPU and the CPU cooler?
It might make a slight difference, but you would also likely be losing performance on your GPU since most motherboards only have one PCIE x16 slot.
Thanks! You're the man.
Hi Christopher, first of all congratulations for your great reviews and thermal tests, really useful. I have a question about fans connections to the fanhub of this Torrent.
I’ll make my build connecting noctua fans to cpu fan header (with a split or using both cpu fan and cpu opt fan, to have more accuracy in fan settings curve if necessary) and all the torrent fan to fanhub and then the fanhub to one free motherboard chassis fan header.
Fractal manual says to connect also the cpu fan to the hub (white fan header), the first. In this configuration all fans will go up and down continuously following cpu temp and is not a good choice in my opinion !
What appen if i will connect to the hub all 5 torrent fans : all the fans will be controlled as one but what kind of control will i have? Percentage of rpm or rpm ?
How does hub work ? when i put different fans (like 140 and 180) they spin at different rpm cause is the % that is regulated by fan curve from bios ?
Thanks in advance and sorry for my english
Do you prefer this case over the o11 dynamic ??
are there any results from testing with the AIO installed?
In case of a non-led build this case is supreme. Just use 6x Noctua 14mm intake fans on front and bottom, running at low-medium static speed. Include the Noctua NH-D15 or a Peerless Assassin to your (preferably less power-hungry AMD cpu, put in a proper air-cooled 4090 and you are set. Haven’t seen temperatures above 80 Celsius yet (for cpu or gpu) using a powerful 7950x3d. The reviewer here went for looks and used his spare Noctua 12’s. Thankfully he showed the gains and losses of trying out an AIO, a rear-fan and a extremely hot cpu. Because they only had a white model of the non-led case and Aero 24G gpu available I now have a stunning white build. It DOES have the case light-strip next to the power-unit b.t.w. I also put in 2x 48GB memory offering an abundance of high-speed ram.
Hi Can u Brand or link ,how can i buy this White 24pin cable ,thankyou!!
So, it's completely fine to go with 420 AIO with this case?
спасибо за такой подробный обзор
Вот уж точно. Совдеповским "технарям" до такого уровня как до Китая раком...
please, non-window version in more than just black. Would also pay more for one with a hard alloy shell.
That was the best review of the case i've seen, wow.
Is there room for a push pull 360 in the front with the thick t30-12 phanteks fans?
Could you try it reverse airflow? 140 rear intake - s36 AIO front exhaust - two 180 bottom intake
It would be a crime to not use the front for intake
lol fail.
I wish people would do thermals testing with optimized fan speeds. 100% fan speed with this case is stupid and impractical, you don't need more than 50%, more than that not only doesn't do anything, but is loud aaf. That fact also shows just how good the airflow with this case is.
I wish I could use this case for rtx3080ti with i9 12900k but I think that cpu air cooler would not be enough for that setup.
it isn't, but an AIO could be. He did a build with a Fractal AIO and an i9-11900 but I don't see any test results of that setup. I'm building the same i9-12900 config so I'd like to know how the temps are before I buy and build myself
@@treyquattro yeah Trey! i love this guy's videos, LOVE him but...instead of just 'fixing' the temp prob by downgrading cpu he didn't really give any opinions on how to cool the i9-11900 and higher (12900 etc.). i'm fairly new to this so i'm wondering how the hell we're going to cool those cpu's? any suggestions or videos or info? thanks Trey or anyone else. -barbie:)
@@8barbies779 I have an i9-12900 build with a Fractal Celsius+ S28 AIO. Temps are fine - about 91C max under stress so far
@@treyquattro hey Trey, thanks so much for the reply, i really appreciate it. i'm thinking of putting it in the Fractal Torrent but i was wondering if since it's such an awesome 'air' case that if adding an AIO would somehow counteract the effect (if that makes any sense:):) - barbie
@@8barbies779 I went with the Fractal Meshify 2 Compact over a Fractal Torrent Compact because I couldn't put an AIO in a Torrent - front mounted is the only feasible option - and still have the 180mm fans, which for me was a big part of deciding on a Torrent. I felt that the standard-sized Torrent was just too big. I love the look of the Torrents but I'm very happy with my choice of Meshify 2 Compact. It's great for an ATX build, and the roof panel is removable making building a lot easier than if you can't remove the root (like in a Torrent). I have 2 HDDs and 1 SDD in the case. My mobo has 5 M.2 slots so I'm good for storage. The Fractal Celsius+ S28 was also a great buy: I didn't know if I needed a 360mm AIO or 280mm. Turns out that 280mm is almost as effective (check out various comparisons at Gamers Nexus e.g.) and it's a much better fit in the compact case, especially with the HDD cage in the floor. Good luck with your build!
Isn't it better to have some standard components for tests (like gpu, cpu, ram, motherboard, etc) to compare and review cases?
It's not scientific to change two or more elements of system to check for differences.
This case is so obviously aimed at air users hence the 2 x180 front fans etc. but, all these reviewers keep trying to put radiators in it lol. The clue is even in the name.
Lol. So true. I switched to a SF and I am never going back to a mid or full tower. I have a 3090 and a 5900X in an NR200P. Temperatures are amazing.
It does scream airflow, as I presume no AIO exists for 2x180 fans in the front, and the bottom of the case is a poor location for a radiator. Also having a 3x120 AIO in the front looks wrong as the case is so wide. But interestingly, the word Torrent refers to water, rather than air:
"a stream of water flowing with great rapidity and violence"
@@donkeysunited No need to be so pedantic. Torrent is often also used to describe air, just as current is used for water/air etc. It is more an indication of a sudden unexpected large occurrence.
It's funny how all these reviews completely ignore for SSD's and traditional hard drives, which in this case because of poor airflow in the area where they need to be stored get very hot. It's a major flaw in this case that most people aren't aware of or simply like to ignore.
what? Most cases these days have sata SSD's and HDDs on the backside. They don't get "hot" it's a non issue.
That's surprising that the 2x 180mm fans on the bottom get worse GPU thermals. On paper they should be delivering even more concentrated air flow directly at the GPU fans/heatsink than the more diffused 3x 140mm fans. It's the opposite of what I would expect.
The bottom bracket is design to accommodate smaller fans up to 120mm. A significant part of the 180mm fans is just blocked by the mounting points.
No issue on the front of the case. It come with two sets of brackets : one for 120mm/140 fans and the other specifically for 180mm.
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Great review! The two criticisms I have are that you spent a bit too long trouble shooting the cpu, which I think is time that could be better spent on other things. I would also like to see temps at lower fan rpm curves if possible. Large fans tend to be great at lower rpms and are very quiet then. I think 2 180s at the bottom might be better in that config.
in this case putting an aio is a huge mistake, it's made for air cooling, with fans by default. Then you get some of the best airflow
Olá, me ajuda a realizar meu sonhe de ter um computador gamer por favor não tenho condições pra comprar um
Not brazilian/portuguese speaker channel, maybe ask on ancient gameplays he is portuguese
Greetings from Portugal.
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5 intake, 0 exhaust?
There's absolutely nothing wrong with positive pressure if the entire back of the case is a mesh, i.e. exhaust.
@@dominic.h.3363 not sayin anything wrong. but is it ideal for a high end case?
@@yehnah5891 My overclocked AMD CPU alone takes 143W under load, and the stock wraith prism cooler keeps it at 85 °C running OCCT for hours in a 31 °C room without AC. I have 5 intakes and 0 exhaust.
What's more, I have a GPU cooler with a horizontal fin stack, meaning it pushes air front and back instead of up/down the length of the card, AND I have it vertically built into my case offset to be entirely inside the case (because there is no vertical mount option at all, so I need to have clearance for the monitor cables inside the case) so the heat of the entire GPU ends up blown inside the case. The GPU runs at stock memory and core clocks but is undervolted.
When I'm 3D rendering my typical delta for the CPU is 55 °C, and 48 for the GPU, these are all well below thermal throttling limits.
What's more, it's an mATX form factor case. Again, 5 intake, 0 exhaust. Nothing wrong with such a layout!
Yep, and the airflow is great
@@ChristopherFlannigan ok so the new advice is exhaust fans are completely not needed then?
70 degrees on the GPU at 55 db noise levels..... Really? What a shame Fractal! I have 4090 and it has 65 degrees in Furmark 10 minuts
AIDA64 20 min.- 10700K OC 5100mhz all cores 77degrees, GPU 64 degrees. The Case is Define R5 front door opened. Cooler Noc D15
The Compact is a more reasonable version.
FYI- your AIO cooler is installed incorrectly. The pipes need to be installed DOWN so they are lower than the pump.
Rewatch the video you're trying to parrot. Tubes up or tubes down is neither here nor there. You MIGHT get some trickling noise with tubes up, but air will NOT reach the pump as long as the top of the rad is higher than the pump. Top of the rad is what matters, not if tubes are lower than the pump, your info is all messed up.
Nice red head
Hey your video's volume is pretty low, and has been the case for pretty much all of your vids, you should boost it
Volume is perfectly fine for me.
@@regwatson2017 Strange, for me the voice parts are too soft while the music parts are loud
Your cables are coming apart? Ever heard of electric tape? Black electric (sticky) tape will fix all you "cables not holding together" problems! On the cheap!