Deltic Diesel Powered Train (1962) | British Pathé
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- Catch a glimpse of Finsbury Park and Kings Cross station back in the day in this remarkable footage of diesel powered trains in 1962.
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Finsbury Park and Kings Cross, London.
L/S of a row of steam train engines on a set of tracks, M/S of steam coming out of the engine. M/S of the driver and fireman in overalls climbing down from the cabin of the engine. M/S of a diesel train in a station, two staff climb into the train, they are a lot cleaner than the steam men.
Interior of the engine, one of the men turns a couple of taps before the journey. C/U of a set of gauges, C/U of another part of the engine. M/S of the driver washing his hands, he closes the folding washbasin and dries his hands. C/U of the sign 'Max. Speed 100 M.P.H.' M/S of the driver pouring water from a kettle into a coffee pot. He places the pot on a hot plate and sits down. C/U of his feet on the footrest. M/S of the train pulling out of Kings Cross Station. M/S from the driver's viewpoint as the train comes out of a tunnel. M/S of two shafts rotating in the engine. M/S of the driver in the cabin, M/S from his viewpoint as the train travels down the track. M/S as the train passes through a station. Various shots of the train and driver, and various point of view shots from inside the cabin of the track as it speeds along. C/U of the speed dials. M/S from the point of view of the driver as the train speeds down the track under bridges and past a steam train going in the opposite direction.
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As boys we went to Kings Cross just to hear the sound of a Deltic engine being started; it shook the station and my ears are still ringing with the memory.
Newcastle Central Station , Deltic thundering in as a young boy . WoW , the station platform used to vibrate along with my ears . Fond memories with my Dad and brother !
Its a point people forget the train crew were afforded better working conditions with Diesel and electric
I remember the first time I saw one at Kings Cross, love at first sight.
Wow
@@oscarosullivan4513 yea but steam engines are cool too
I love the commentary on these old clips. It may be a false memory, but the 60s seemed like such a time of optimism, where we were forging ahead into a future that was going to be better and brighter for everybody.
Golden days full of renewed hope for the future 👍🏻
The Deltic engine is simply a piece of engineering genius.
Yes, German genius.
überrascht mir nicht, aber ich frage ob die Deutschen wirklich mit dieser Deltic Konstruktion gelangen haben? Ich dachte dass sie nur das entgegengesetzten piston Entwurf begreifen hat?
Extract from Wikipedia on `Napier Deltic'
Before the war, Napier had been working on an aviation Diesel design known as the Culverin after licensing versions of the Junkers Jumo 204.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napier_Deltic
It seems to suggest the Germans designed the opposing piston but the Brits put it into the triangle? That was my original thinking in the German text above (as I thought you might be German). A very fine joint innovation but kudos to Herr Diesel and this particular opposing piston concept.
Indeed, I'm a great Diesel fan. I don't know why large low speed Diesel engines aren't used more often in power stations since then efficiencies of around 50% could be achieved even before waste heat recovery. Rudolf Diesel must be spinning in his grave with the cheap ancilliaries added to his engines to improve pollution levels which, when they malfunction, cause even more pollution.
With expensive ancilliaries the Diesel is clean as can be observed when driving behind a large truck - you can't even smell it's a Diesel. Compare that to the 1960s with large clouds of black smoke coming from trucks.
oldmachinepress.com/2015/09/26/junkers-jumo-223-aircraft-engine/
Everyone loves a Deltic!
Anyone else want to hear more about this deserted beach?
Milepost98 yes
Will we ever know why it was deserted?
ruclips.net/video/Powd8g9tbZc/видео.html I think this might be it
@@01322521959 lockdown !
Geoffry Llewellyn lol
I just love how awesome the Deltic looks
Same
Its a superb looker
I love the way the fact a good old British cuppa could be made upon the footplate takes priority from speed, dynamics, etc, etc. The crew could make a brew! Fabulous news!
I also saw a toilet under the sink, requiring a good sense of direction methinks.
@@ridefast0Unless you sit down
That accent - now as rare as the Deltic!
It is probably the voice of one Cyril Frederick Danvers-Walker, often called Bob Danvers-Walker
Being on the footplate from the early 60s for 30+ years would of been the pinnacle of a railway working life.
Note the train operator wearing the cap badge of the Parachute Regiment on his peak cap 0:40. Im told it was common for ex Soldiers to wear their medal ribbons and cap badges on their work uniforms in the post war era.
Oh the second man.
Your man beside him at 0:20 must have been the fattest person for kilometres
And to think that just 1 year later the Beeching Axe saw nearly 5000 miles of railway lines cut across the UK- 'British' television has never been frightened of misleading its population.
Love the crazy music.
Yup. Try as it might, the mighty Deltic could not escape the soundtrack.
Only a small fleet was required because they could be used intensively, and racked up record mileages. Their expensive and specialised maintenance, meant that no additional fleets were ordered for elsewhere, sadly. I agree with the comment about the music. Napier engine 'music' would suffice!
The Deltic was the Eastern region solution to replacing steam locomotion. The West Coast solution was electrification and Western region went down diesel hydraulic route. They only lasted 20 or so years.
Wonderful footage!
The music is amazing and reflects the time of this video! I want to hear more of this music!
I took a fab black & white photo of the blue prototype at 1A Willesden depot in 1960 or 61 which I've still got. Nothing else looks or sounds like this great diesel loco.
Speaker: Great Britains railroad probably the best in the world (1960). What has happened??
+Johan Laftman
Indeed ! Where did it all go wrong !!
One word: privatization
Patrick Gallagher
Privatisation rescued Britain’s railways from the appalling state they were in beforehand.
Britain has incompetent politicians who couldn’t agree over how to build a model railway let alone a high speed one.
@@chrisj9700 Not even slightly. British rail in he seventies was the most efficient rail network in Europe and the most forward thinking,. It rain the longest electrified main line in the world outside Japan and was a beacon of innovative technology (some of which is now being sold back to us). Privatisation destroyed the integrated rail network and destroyed the innovative infrastructure that BR had built up. How else do you explain BR developing the world's first tilting service train, only to see the same technology lost to other countries and - twenty years later - sold back to us at a higher cost?
In the 1970s railway travel was abundant, user friendly and cheap. Went everywhere by train. Can't afford it now.
fantastic video. I loved the smog and all the old architectural features of the railway as the train whizzed through. is there a longer version of this video?
The film 'Get Carter' featured a hi speed sequence from King's Cross to Newcastle early on in the film. It's advertised as being available on DVD from HMV. There was a remake of it in 2000, but I think if you want the train sequence the 1971 version will be the one you want.
I'm rather puzzled how I came to see this film, which I thought was very bad.
The year when I stopped being a twinkle in my mom eyes and came into existence. What a huge amount of change, and why does everything looks cleaner then than it does know .
I have to admit I'll always be a fan of steam trains though they are satisfying to watch rush down a track at full speed also ingenious locomotives
I like how at the end it just says "a deserted beach"🤣
I love the music in this video.
Underrated
Brilliant film. Thanks for posting.
All the small boys were sad, and all the big boys were sad, the end of steam left everyone sad. I like diesels but I like steam too
great video 👍👍👍
This is the film clip that ought to be much more. in fact, just a cab view from Kings Cross to (say) Hatfield. If that complete film wasactually shot at this time, and this is just a short part; and, if it remains hidden in a storeroom somewhere, then I know of many enthusiasts that would die happy once they have seen it. The old 1950s/60s trackwork, signals and stations seen from the driver's point of view has never been seen on film in a complete and uninterrupted video. I just hope that one day, it will emerge.
i wonder if this endeavour was finally met. its been a couple of years and you or someone found something.
i barely came by this video moments back (out of the blue RUclips recommendation), will try to look up the internet.
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Here , here to all these previous intelligent comments . A diesel can driver's view showing pure railway history - blooming marvellous idea . Could the N. R. Museum help track this full footage down ? I wonder .
I am not at all experienced with the English railway or the United Kingdom at all but I have small experience with archival work.
My best tip to give you all is to contact the British Pathé. Just call them and ask what is possible.
Looking at the footage it seems this was made for something similar as 'Het Polygoon Journaal' / the news but in the theaters. I don't think there will be a complete shot from begin to end of this route however there will be a lot more then what is shown in this video (The filmreel could not film for that long. Just like a LP. Digital cameras can film until storage runs out but in the 60s they didn't have that). It will take a lot of archival work to get the original reel because this one was made for the theater, so it was cut up in pieces while editing.
Find out when it was shot, where it was shot and who it was shot by. If you get names of people or companies you will have a big advantage in looking for the footage.
I hope this helps whoever it is needed by.
What a nice video! I wish it was longer! 😁
This is great... All the semaphore signals and wood and aspestos coaches strapped to the back of this state of the art marvel. Lots of unfulfilled promise of modernisation the sheer scale of the task to sort out British railway system is never ending!
CIE and BR cocked it up building lots of new goods wagons, goods vans and guards vans
I say old chap absolutely spiffing commentary .👍
The sound of the sixties. I find it strangely nostalgic. Reminds me how old I really am.
Great!!
Cool music too
Wonderful!
Beautiful locomotive
Good to see the Kings Cross tunnels inside that was only possible for passengers travelling in diesel multiple units.
We are now seeing how the past is better than the future.
That wasn't the Driver with the tea and washing hands. That was the second man, The driver was Ben Oakley of KX.
Which one is the fat one?
Just as an aside to that, I think that the Deltic sound is brilliant and unmatched by any other diesel ever made.
I must say Roger it has strong competition from the HST Paxman turbo, the class 40 and the class 56. Cheers buddy.
I think the Class 43 HST would have something to say about that
@@GaryNumeroUno Yep, no doubt they sound great too. I also like the EMD diesels, even though they're not British.
@@brucerogermorgan2388... I agree, and they're a whole lot simpler in many ways...(less complexity, less parts, infinitely easier to start and service, and considerably more torque from their much larger bore & stroke 9 & 1/16th" x 10" [230mm x 254mm] B&S for the 645 (ci per cylinder) engines and 9 & 1/16th" x 11" [230mm x 280mm] B&S for the newer [since 1983] 710 (ci per cyl.) engines), than the Napier Deltics.
The EMD "fork & blade" design on the lower end of the connecting rods, is pure genius and extremely well balanced.... as well as the Thermatic Clutch drive for the turbocharger, allowing them to be rid of the previous twin roots blowers for scavenging, while doubling the horsepower... although the way they designed it, any railroad could "de-tune" them by removing the turbo and naturally aspirating the engine with the twin roots blowers, as both set-ups were driven by the cam drives on each bank.
The Napier Deltic was certainly a masterpiece, marvel of engineering..... but was also, a masterpiece of complicated complexity.... and could be, very cantankerous to get started in cold weather, as I've witnessed many times.
@@Romans--bo7br Fork and blade ?
Sounds just like a Harley Davidson's V-twin con rods at the big end. Two on one straddling a single on the other. These are known as knife and fork. Nothing new though, Harley has been using that configuration for nearly 120 years.
Magnificent Deltic
D9020 (Nimbus) was first Deltic I ever saw in July, 1969 at Kings Cross in Blue Livery. Superb. Roger 😎 😷
Diesel power, eh? It'll never take off...
I say! As a train buff - love it!
Excellent
I must know what that epic music is!
Absoulety beatiful locos just like their noise
a pity it wasn't longer film. Great old colour footage.
2:19 Those old semaphore gantries are confusing as hell. I know the drivers would be trained to know which one to look at, but it's easy to see how mistakes could be made...
Remember the soot as a child from deltic engines
"Great Video !!"
The idea of steam engines disappearing isn't just a sad thought for little boys then, it's a sad though for people like me who living 50 years after steam trains were abolished.
Ye mister kenobi
The Welsh government allegedly wants to close the last mine to supply suitable coal for heritage steam locomotives (Ffos y fran), the type of coal steam locos were designed to run on. Dubious quality coal is now imported for this purpose. Lets hope running steam locomotives aren't actually "abolished".
@@SuperNevile lets spam or blackmail the welish goverment until they officially say that they will keep it open. Heritage railways must not fall
The railway equivalent of a 747. Even the 747 has seen it's day coming to an end.
*Boeing still sells 747s... it will out live the Airbus A380.*
@@doktorbimmer Nobody is buying either
*Indeed, Emirates officially cancelled their A380 orders so has everyone else.*
The 747 will live on as a freighter for many years to come, Boeing are still making the 747-8 freighter. The A380 will be gone before the 747 I think, the A380 was too big and too late to workout.
It’s unfortunate that the lifespan and preservation of pressurised cabin aircraft is incredibly difficult.
Didn't realise Sir Alec Guinness could drive a Deltic 😄👍
Driver was Ben Oakley of Kings Cross
At 0:20 which one is Ben Oakley
I'm in love❤
0:00 Dude in a bike literally risks his life and other stories
Love the high quality of the film, shame they went overboard with the music back then. Saying that; even now we still have uneccessary and awful music on most railway programs and clips.
It adds character to the footage
@@OscarOSullivan Adds an obnoxious noise.
Interesting to see that he's allowed to wear his Parachute Regiment beret badge at 41 seconds!
Brilliant video. How can we see the rest of it? The last station in this short film is Biggleswade.
Yes, that is definitely Biggleswade, I recognised straight away. The houses on the right are still there and the following bridges are very distinctive.
I spotted that as well. I use to live there and spent many years on the old DMU's going back and forth to Stevenage. I recognised it straight away..
I think the Deltics are awesome! Same with the Fairbanks Morse C-liners, with the opposed pistons. Also a fan of EMD GP7's & GP9's.🚆
*The **_Gegenkolbenmotoren_** (Opposed-Piston motor) was invented by Wilhelm von Oechelhäuser and a junior partner named Hugo Junkers. Patented July 8th 1892 in Dessau Germany (patent number 66961).*
@@doktorbimmer Hugo Junkers, did he have anything to do with the Junkers airplanes of WW2? I am curious to know, thank you.
*Yes! the same... **_Junkers Flugzeug- und Motorenwerke AG._** (aka "JUMO") made aircraft as well gasoline, Diesel and jet engines for aircraft, and other applications. The company is now part of the German-French aviation giant **_Airbus SA._*
@@doktorbimmer Thank you 🇨🇦🙂
@@doktorbimmer Actually James Atkinson designed an opposed-Piston motor in 1882, it was one of the first Opposed-Piston motors designed.
Fascinating piece of history on many levels, especially since Pathe news has itself become history. I do wonder what was the process by which the music was originated? People say 'Oh, it's library music' but it would be interesting to know how it was composed, played and selected. Pathe films were always telling us that something was 'keeping Britain ahead in the .... race', or sometimes it was 'keeping Britain on top', or maybe 'keeping Britain ahead'.
I like the fact that the toilet is at the N° 2 end
Well you wouldn't really want the smell of your co driver's crap stinking out the cab for 4 hours
@@TheClockwise770
Then it would happen when running in the other direction (from no.2 cab)
Never go number 2 in the number 1!
@@TheClockwise770 The toilet is separated in it,s own little room
Perhaps there were two loos, one for, er, 'Number ones' and the other for 'number twos'...
For context, in two years, Japan would unveil the electric Shinkansen at 210-220km/h (137mph) (now 320) in 1964, while the UK was transitioning from steam to diesel
not to mention, BR's fleet of diesels were absolute garbage.
The Deltic is/was the only engine - ECML ruled.
Anyone wants to make British railway great again?
You can cross out the word "railway" here, chap. We want to make *Britain* Great again.
The trains might have been cleaner, but the stations were covered in years of steam train soot!
And Diesel Fumes
Anyone know what music is used in this?
What those numbers and letters for in the front of the locomotive?
What is the name of the first song in the background?
Best thing is they are still in use for spot hire on the railways.
Does anyone know the background music????
British railways class 55 deltic ❤️❤️❤️
I agree with most of you, I would much prefer the "Music" of that extraordinary Deltic Diesel! Unfortunately, much as I admire the Deltic as an amazing piece of machinery, I think that the EMD 567 and 642 series engines were better.
GM made all the diesel locomotives for CIE from the early 1960’s onwards
I agree with you about the 567 and 642 EMD engines, but the Deltic did sound amazing. There are a few still running, some have been restored in England, there is an active society looking after them.
the Deltic engine was pretty good (much better in it's natural Marine form though)
people are monsters for scrapping steam trains
There also monsters for Scrapping 55s
J.J. Simpson lol people paid thousands for scrapping them, it was necessary, they took up space and weren’t up to date like the modernised diesel motive power. Fortunately, most of the locomotives that went to Woodham Brothers now survive.
*Steam engines were horribly inefficient and expensive to operate... as much as I love steam it is an obsolete technology.*
doktorbimmer horribly expensive sure, but it’s what kept countries going in terms of railways due to the implementation of electric locomotives only appearing in the early 1900s. They actually served the majority of rail companies for the reason that electrics (upon the early 1900s) were too expensive to maintain normally in service or experimentally (some surviving electric examples of rail motive power being the NER petrol Railcar, NSR electric shunter, LSWR electric shunter, NER electric parcels van, etc). They were the easiest thing to actually maintain and worked like hell to keep our rail system going, as did the crews of the locomotives.
*I believe most of the world's freight traffic by rail is served by Diesel locomotives due to the very high cost of electrification per mile.*
Is the secondman wearing a Parachute Regiment cap badge on his hat instead of British Railways
Noticed that myself.
Yes he is a vet !
Priorities...
If only people got this excited about trains these days!
Diesel is an absolutely brilliant thing, Otto Diesel would be smiling at this
Deltics are fine engines, Classic Diesels ooze character.
The CIE 071’s are wonderous
A deserted beach.
yes, i too was perplexed
the film seems to have been cut short. or has the audio spliced from elsewhere?
Yes I agree
Spock * Presumably the program cut to another feature, but they kept this in the video because it was still footage of the railway.
Interesting to know that the Deltic sounds like a James Bond soundtrack
When GB was truly great.
1:49 what’s the song
Back then when 'great' in GREAT Britain means something
It still means what it meant then - the big island in the British Archipelago. nothing to do with perceived status. We lost that in the 1890s.
Geographic term, the greater part of the British Isles after the union of England and Scotland in 1706
And it still is great.
It's he people who have become miserable buggers.
Many of our industries are still world leading, and many Brits rule the technical world.
The difference? Greedy unions killed our industry and too many hand out sponges take our money that the government could spend on improving infrastructure.
Did I mention litigation culture where everyone blames others for their own stupidity and actions?
If peop,e didn't chat crap about it, they would realise that our manufacturing, aerospace and railway industries are still world beating in many aspects. But don't let that get in the way of a good moan.
No idea why the Deltic isn't still being used. The concept is brilliant.
They are too slow and loco hauled trains require more complex track layouts at stations to facilitate run round moves.
They are still to be seen.Pure railway pourne.
The announcer sounds like he was born in Boston, then moved to Britain, took lessons in RP speaking, but could never quite get all the Boston out.
Australian born actually
It surprised me that the in-cab "maximum speed" sticker states 100mph..
I have in my memory that the sticker stated 105mph, or was that in the prototype?
(Yes, I know maximum line speed would have been 100mph then!)
I'm sure some drivers merely saw that as a challenge and would have frequently nudged 105 given the right location. 😀
Plenty of teething troubles, cracks in the fabricated bogies, fractured cylinder liners, leaking liner seals and broken quill-shafts,
unusual design of mechanical drive from the engine to the various auxiliaries and when this broke, the shafts flailed around and broke hoses and instruments on the engine, causing serious engine damage. . Troubles with boilers installed to heat the carriages. Issues followed in trying to transfer to electric generator heaters. When E.E. handed over maintenance to British Rail Engineering Limited (BREL) at Doncaster Works, they ran into difficulties. So much so that at one point, half the 22 strong fleet were 'grounded' . .Issues with cracks and rust in the bodywork, They emitted emit clouds of lubrication oil, resulting in protests from the public living nearby. And so it went on.
I bet you couldn't get rid of the stink of diesel at home that night. But the Deltic was still a beautiful replacement for steam.
ого скорость! я даже не думал, что в те года поезда такую скорость развивали.
They did
"The best railway in the world" well for me, a Swiss person, this is a bit of a joke. Stopping the production of steam engines in 1962? Wow. The majority of our network was electrified before WWII and the last small branchlines followed in the 50's.
Ok on second thought Switzerland electrified its railways because coal wasn't easy to get during the Great War and with all the mountains you can basically get electricity for free while the Brits have more coal just lying around than one could ever need so they probably were like ok whatevs.
Britain had to fight a few wars to let you breathe
@@uttaradit2 And America had to finish them for you... otherwise you would be speaking German right now.
@@sandervanderkammen9230 The UK created the USA to fight its wars, otherwise you'd be speaking Spanish or Apache
@@uttaradit2 America freed itself from British occupation in 1776...
@@sandervanderkammen9230 but you still came late to both wars, and both required a ship to sink XD XD XD
British Transport Police. Formed on 1st January 1949.
Oddly, at least for me, the footage of the steam locos at the beginning is more interesting than the Deltics. But the electric hob and the washbasin and toilet behind the Deltic cab are very cool. The throbbing of the Napier engine close by would help to loosen the bowels.
1950’s to 1970’s Diesels are more of my thing
@@OscarOSullivan British Diesels (especially these early ones) were absolute garbage, they didn't hold a candle to their American counterparts in the PA, RF16 and E/F-Series.
@@themanformerlyknownascomme777 Kindly remind me which country came up with one cab non shunting diesel locomotives
I remember travelling from the North of England to London in 1959 behind a brand new diesel and I reckon it must have been a Deltic.
Nope they were not manufacturered at that time, more likely a Class 40.
You have confused a class 49 with a deltic
@@keithdawson4804I'd reckon he's talking about the DP1,the Class 55's pre-production prototype built in 1955. If gm16 is certain that he saw a Deltic in 1959, it has to be DP1 was the Class 55s entered service in 1961. While DP1 was in service from 1957-1961.
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Was it really the worlds most powerful loco then?
As for Britain’s railways being the best in the world. Afraid not.
At that time, most probably
At the time the most powerful single unit diesel locomotive in the world.
They say the deltics are the "most powerful locomotive in the world" and this film was made in 1962 when Union Pacific was still using big boy locomotives that have double the tractive effort of deltics.
I guess one could argue that the Big Boys were no longer "in use" in 1962, since they were in storage by then - but they were still on UP's books and available to work if required.
Nevertheless, there were more powerful electric locomotives (for example, Switzerland's Ae 8/14 was capable of an absolutely monstrous 10,255hp - which was more than three times what a Deltic could muster, and those were still in service as of 1962). And the Union Pacific had its gas turbine-powered GTELs, the later ones of which were capable of 8,500hp.
Presumably, the narrator meant to say that the Deltic was the most powerful *diesel* locomotive in the world!
Most powerful passenger Diesel Locomotives at the time
Most powerful diesel electric locomotives.
High days of 2 stroke diesel engines. Why they were abandoned?
I encountered a Deltic in London in 2014. That thing was LOUD!
murdelabop - Really? Where? They were all withdrawn from service in the late 70’s and most of them scrapped. I think there may be one running example in Yorkshire.
@@AtheistOrphan there are six of them remaining
That is the music of 36 cylinders and 72 pistons. They have to breathe or else they wouldn't work!
Yet another British triumph....most powerful in the world. I remember they sounded like an earthquake in the station
Ah the uk in permanent smog!
Were these diesel generated electric traction from the start or did the early ones rely on actual diesel driven traction?
0:02-0:03 What Happened To Those Steam Locos?(Are They Scrapped Or Preserved?)
edit: I Know The Loco Form 0:09
I assume they were scrapped sadly, especially the A3s, only Flying Scotsman was preserved. Unless that sole A4 in the video is preserved. I can't tell, the A4's number is blocked - 6 of them survive into preservation!
Fraser Bathgate Yeah But I Know That A3 At 0:09 Was Scrapped
Tank Engine 75 Sadly
Nearly all scrapped but a lucky few still survive
TheClockwise770 No A3s left but the Flying Scotsman
(0:41) - Wot! No shower?
No but a nice little kase
An appreciated example of English civilization that many forget ...