Most Jet aircraft fly in class A airspace. This would require an interment rating. You would also need a multi engine rating for the twin engine and a type rating for the aircraft.
@@krasnograd If you get PPL on TWIN your licence rating would be Multi Engine Land, which means you are eligible to flight on Multi, but not in a Single. Moreover, all the Turbo require ATPL to operate as a captain, and at least CPL, or ATPL frozen (IATRA in Canada) for the First Officer.
@@VerisimilitudeDude Is that a thing? I dont know if thats a thing... seems like a sunk cost. But, boats are fun. They take up keep as well and are debating cheaper then airplanes.
@@flywiththeguys Well, I do know that it's a thing or i wouldn't have brought it up. Just in south Florida alone there's the Fort Lauderdale boat club, Freedom Boat Club, and then on Boatsetter.com there's lists of boat clubs, etc.
Great summary. I spent about $7,500 to get mine in 2012 in a Cessna 152, and using Sporty's DVDs for the ground school. Another money/time saving tip is to get a yoke, throttle, and rudder set for a computer and practice on a flight simulator. I probably spent about 2-3 hours on the sim for every hour in the plane. It really helped with my maneuvers and checklist flows. Practicing on the computer meant that I made better use of my time in the plane.
About 7500 for me too. I set up a simulator too ,with all the saitek gear. My friend who was learning with me didn't. It was obvious who learned quicker. Sim time is a huge advantage.
@@mins4582 the oculus rift or vive can add a ton of realism to a sim rig. I use rift with x plane 11 and the experience is amazing. It can also cut down on switches and gauges u usually add to a sim.
Brian T Oh my gosh, thank you!! I have the XPlane 11 and was looking to help the realism. I was about to invest in all the components. You just saved me some $. 👍🏻
I’m 15 and just starting my journey to a private pilots license and I got super lucky because an elderly woman whom I do yard work and house chores for has been flying for over 50 years and has a Cessna 172 so the majority of the cost will not be there because she has been very generous and as long as I pay for fuel I can use her airplane
I bought a 150 cessna for 10 K ready to fly, I hired a private instructor at 45 an hour, with fuel, instruction and 8 months of plane payments at 150 a month, I got it for under 5 grand, including testing etc. I sold the plane after I finished for 11,500
@@digginaustin I kept my 150 outside tied down at my local airport, when I bought my 172 I had a partner and he knew a guy that had a hangar and it was stored in there "no charge" my friend was a doctor and im a mechanic so we had to do favors every now and again.
Hey! Southwest pilot here. I see a lot of flight training videos on youtube, but yours gives some great info and lays it all out in a very thoughtful way. I started flying in 2013 with zero experience, so I know the process well. Thanks for being such a great resource for our future aviators!
Hey Jordan, I’m a Southwest Flight attendant. Looking to start my pilot career. Got motivated to do it talking to all the pilots I work with! You were probably one of them! lol #MOTIVATED
6 years from flight training to land Southwest planes on a regular basis. Hmmm, sounds reasonable to me. I think I'll operate on someone's brain tomorrow as a brain surgeon. I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night with my friend the 6 year Southwest pilot...lol
Recent PPL graduate, here. A very important note on flight-training by going with an hourly or "private" model - many flight schools charge by the hour. $12,700 seems like a lot - but in an hourly model, you only need to pay each week for the lessons you take. One huge tip is to make sure you get in two flight sessions each week, about 2 - 3 hours of flying in two separate sessions. This typically gets you to the lowest over-all cost because what you learned last time is still fresh in your mind, and less time is used refreshing what you've already learned in the air.
SimGamerTV - 2 or 3 Lessons a Week? If you live real close to your Flight School, Sure! I was a 120 Miles away, took a Leave of Absence from Work, to start, plus paid for Hotel & Restaurant Meals while there; so, I did morning and afternoon flights, everyday, except for 2, over 3 Weeks! Flew C-172 & C-182 in my Training! Overall, with work, weather, and family holiday interruptions, it took me about four and a half months to nail it! Also, I was right on the 65 Hour Mark, at completion, so I think he is fair, on that! I think he should have listed Low, Typical, and High figures, so folks have a better reality in mind, though!
SimGamerTV Amazing Advice, Thankyou. I’m retraining but after a car accident, I’ve forgotten most of it...so all should be good. I can only fly prop now. Sad face. LoL
Just retiring from an airline career, it was interesting to hear what it costs to get a private these days. In 1969, when I started,, a Cessna 150 was $10 per hour wet and the instructors charged about $5. In today’s dollars that would be $70 for the airplane and $35 for the instructor, so it is slightly more expensive today. While everyone is focused on the cost of acquiring a private pilots license, they should also consider the cost of maintaining it. It is important for new pilots to fly regularly, especially in the first year or two. I think the ability to budget money for an hour a week in plane rentals in the first year or so should be a consideration before jumping into the training. Working toward a higher rating or certificate is a great way to maintain proficiency. And don’t dismiss the benefits of using a home flight simulator for practicing procedures and aeronautical decision making. Learning the G530, GTN750, or G1000 in X-Plane is far cheaper than when the Hobbs meter is spinning. Check out my channel to see what is possible in home sims these days.
Scott Franco - A long Time Ago, when I learned, ending with the PPL @ 65 Hours, learning in the slightly More expensive C-172, plus about 5 hours in the C-182, I ended up spending only 50% over "Average" of the day! I guess I got "Lucky!"
Cost me $1,800 in 1981. Plane rental was $26 per hour and I believe instructor was $15. That $41 an hour was mighty hard to scrape up as a college kid and took me better part of 18 months. However, it was worth it and I learned a lot.
Crazy how costs have escalated. In 1975, my instructor was $12.50 per hour and a Cessna 150 wet rented for $13.50 per hour out of Long Beach Airport, CA. I got my License in 43 hours. Unbelieveable.
1973 at a military aero club. When I started it was $12/hr for Cherokee 140 (wet) and $6/hour for the instructor. Part 141 school. 37.1 hours total. DPE was only $40.
Its those damn federations. As an Aircraft Mechanic, i can assure that parts that look like they could go for 5 dollars will actually be far higher like 80-100$ all because its has a certification.
Thank you! Good summary. I did PPL on Cessna 152, CPL on C172, and CPL time building on Cessna 172 G1000. Garmin was slightly more expensive, however, I got experience in Glass Cockpit operation, which very useful in modern aviation. To prevent money wasted concentrate on the ground school, before flying.
I started flying in 1982 and it took me a couple of years to get it all done. Overall, it took me about 80-flying hours because of the stretch of time and proving to the instructor I hadn't forgotten my training. It was a blast even though it took two-years, but it was worth it. I joined the Civil Air Patrol where airplane proficiency training, a neat way of saying rental, was really cheap. And when there are missions, the plane is paid for by someone else. A great way to build hours and get really good at staying ahead of the airplane. Today, I'm still a Private Pilot Single Engine Land, and a Commercial Pilot Helicopter. It's classified as a mental disease once you get the flying bug. Enjoyed the video.
After your VFR, you should get your IFR, within a year. The reason, the high percentage of GA fatalities are due to the pilot not knowing how to fly in IMC. I reside in southeastern Michigan, and about 70% of the year is IMC.
This maybe explained elsewhere, but get your medical first, that is not as much expense, but it can remove any doubts of fitness and getting a certificate past a Student.
Yeah...aviation is an unhealthy obsession. People who do it...love it!!! Like 1 great pilot told me: "when I started this I had $100 in my pocket. And I'll be dammed if I quit before I get that back!!!"
I did all you asked because you really really and reallyreally REALLY !! deserved all ...Thumbed up and liked .., what a guy ! What a video !! Splendid
So many ways to learn. I did it in 43 hours. The trusty 152 is a great teacher. One missing item was to read, read, read. The more you know, the shorter you training time. Ground school, thus, an aviation knowledge book got me a 94% on the written, plus, that saved flying time teaching me. Also, bum rides with others to get more air time. Observing is a great tool. General aviation is scaring prospective students away with the numbers. When asked, I give solutions to the high expenses up front.
Exactly, with so much information on line don't wait to be spoon fed by the flight $chool. I solo'ed in 8hrs but times have changed, some one that I knew was interested in flying because I was a Pilot, after 18hrs he still hadn't solo'ed, some of these schools will milk you that way or he just wasn't cut out to be a Pilot, I don't know. Others that have been inspired by my Pilot cert have gone on the complete training and become Pilot's themselves. There are school's out there that will get you to your cert in 30 days, everything scheduled for you, no scheduling a plane when it's available and hoping for the best. Otherwise, as many of you Pilot's know, it can be a long drawn out process at a local flight school.
I’m currently in the military and deployed as well. Is there an online class that’s good out there or certain books I can read so I can learn as much as possible before going back home and spending money to go to flight school? Just want my money to be put to as much good use as possible before spending it and getting the most out of the hours I’m buying by being prepared.
David Grier, also, one could "Learn To Fly" in a Glider, First, then add a Power PPL, as a Supplement to that! So long as they have access to a Non Profit Gliding School - For Profit ones are quite pricy, too!
Great video explaining the costs! I live in a fairly rural area and 10 years ago I was able to complete my PPL for $6,500! C-150 for $83-wet, $35 hr for instruction, took my check ride at 55 hours. Passed the first time!
My flight training cost 13.5k. That includes the written, and practical costs. I flew in a 172N (steam guage) for a total of 73.5 hours. My headset was borrowed, so no cost from that. This was in Dec. 2019 in Northern Oklahoma.
Person experience, for PPL, get an older more experienced instructor. anything higher , instruments /CPL etc, go to a flight school with more structured lessons.
I’m a CFI in the Denver area. In my experience I highly recommend buying an iPad with the ForeFlight application as well. A ForeFlight subscription costs $100/year, but will include all of your VFR, IFR charts, chart supplements, current weather info, and much more. The iPad, or as the FAA refers to it, Electronic Flight Bag (or EFB) will also allow you to organize all of your materials. Only problem with an EFB is its battery powered, so always have a back up! Personally I keep ForeFlight on my phone as well (no extra cost if you have an iPhone) and keep a backup battery. Hope this helps!
Fantastic informational video. Very much appreciated how clearly you laid it all out. Probably will be grounded from flying for some time to come, but this really helps for planning down the road.
The costs today, 2020 to get your "Private Certificate", or License as we all usually say, is quite high. Understand that any flight school is a BUSINESS, and as such, their in business to make money, and to teach students how to fly, according to FAA rules. The student has no idea how long it will take, and the instructors know this. If not, the school tells them. I can only use my own example when I went through the process in 1978. Instructors were charging $10/hr., and the Cessna 150's went for $20/hr. wet, meaning the plane was full of gas when you rent it, and when you return, you fill it up, and pay for the gas. Today it's more like the plane rents for $150/hr, wet, and the instructor charges around $50/hr. It all adds up. You already know it takes a minimum of 40 hours of instruction & plane rentals to reach your "Private". That equates to 40 hours of plane rental, and 10-to 20 hours of ground school, and further instruction. If you are more of a natural flyer, you should finish in the low 40 hours +, however the school might fudge those hours, and add 1-2-5-10 more hours if THEY feel it's needed. Maybe it is, and maybe it wasn't. I don't know. I just know it's all a business, and the student will never know, unless you are one of the naturals, and it all seems to come easy, as was my case in 1978. My suggestion would be to join the Experimental Aircraft Association in your area, go to the meetings, and mingle. Find out if anyone is an instructor that will take you on for teaching, and nail him or her down on the price per hour. Try to fly a Cessna 150, 152, or a Piper Tomahawk. They rent for a lot less, around $40/hr + or maybe slightly higher. Wet of course. The per hour will be FAR less than a new, overpriced Sport plane with a Rotax engine. I have read too many articles about the Rotax engine, and even the original owner of Rotax, died flying in a sport plane with one of his rotate engines that failed. I would suggest learning on an older plane with a Lycoming, or Continental engine. They are well tried and true. Remember this, the engine in a plane is EVERYTHING, everything else is fluff. Sure, a glass panel is beautiful, but only with a Lycoming, or Continental engine. Going through an individual, and not a regular school WILL save you money, but the instructor must have his/her CFI certificate to teach you legally. On the flip side of this, if a friend, or family member, or even a fellow EAA member with his own plane can help you, it's just that without a Commercial rating he, or sho CANNOT charge you for any instruction. That's not legal without the Commercial rating. Learn what you can from this person, then go to a school. At least you will be further along with your studies, and your flight school will be, or should be shorter. If you can get to the point of taking off, and landing, with some type of instructor on board, before you sign up with a school, you will be in a better shape to start at a registered school. Maybe you could find an independent instructor in your town, not associated with any school. This too might be a good way to start. I have flown from 1978, owned 2 different aircraft, and still have my class III medical. Still current, but now with no plane to fly, I haven't flown in several months. Note: Flying to Oshkosh was a dream of mine, and ended up being the best thing I EVER did, and I did it 3 times. Loved it! Good Luck.
Thanks for your story! Things have really changed over the years and it's rather frustrating. Around where I live, the cost of a good instructor is now up to 75-80 and hour so they can make a living wage. The flight schools charge $50, but you have to use their overpriced planes. So... it evens out. I love hearing people sharing aviation and helping new pilots out, but I'm seeing less and less of that too as the liability is just too much. =(
Goodness, one can still do it for about $7k-$8K in rural areas all included. All this guy is doing is coaching people to get comfortable to pay the ever increasing price tag of arm and leg.
Great Video. How things have changed over the years, I got my private in 1972 in a New 1972 Piper PA28 140 full price, all in $800.00 packaged price included ground school and flight test. Flew my flight test off a grass strip in Canada.
Excellent presentation that is highly accurate. When I learned to fly back in the late 1970s I didn't have two nickels to rub together. After long thought and hours of crunching numbers I decided to refinance my house to purchase an airplane before even learning to fly. A pilot friend recommended a Piper J-3 Cub. I refinanced my mortgage to tap my equity for the $4,500 (a fortune in those days) to buy a 1945 war time Cub that had been converted to a J-3! I never will forget the day it arrived. I hired a pilot to ferry it down from Oklahoma to Louisiana. The next morning the ferry pilot taught me to hand prop the plane and then took me for my first ride. I had previously taken a couple hours instruction in someone else's Cub with an instructor so I knew what to expect. Flying in my own airplane was thrilling. A local instructor was available for $10 per hour and aviation fuel was only 78 cents per gallon. By skipping sodas and snacks at work all week I managed to hire an hour of instruction time every weekend. Eight weeks later I soloed and could fly my Cub alone. I had soloed for the total price of about $106.00 including fuel but excluding the airplane that was still worth at least what I paid for it. Another pilot friend scoffed at me for paying that much for a used J-3 Cub. He remembered picking them up for $1,000 or less second hand. However used airplane prices were on the rise. I ended up buying and selling eleven airplanes over the years and I profited on every single one of them, most times making enough to cover the costs of insurance, maintenance and inspections. Eventually I had to rent a high performance airplane to get my three hours of instrument, night and HP time so that added quite a bit. I think that airplane was $50 per hour wet with instructor. I eventually purchased a two year old 1975 Bellanca Citabria 7ECA for $12,500.00 and used it for my radio work and check ride. Ground school back then cost me $135 and the check ride was around $100. I finally got my license at 95 hours total flying time but that is because I enjoyed building a lot of time in my J3 Cub while I had it. Where else could a student pilot build hours for $3.12 per hour in fuel?! All in all I think it cost me between $1,100 & $1,200 to get my license including the written, oral and check ride. Adjusting for inflation that would be around $8,400.00 today. Most of the savings came from owning my own airplane. It would be difficult to duplicate my effort today because airplanes cost so much more as does maintenance and insurance. A Piper Cub like the one I had back then would now cost you about $26,000 or more in average condition. A fully restored J-3 Cub can cost nearly twice that amount. Too bad I didn't keep one of my airplanes. I could have sold it in retirement for a much larger profit lol. All in all my flying days were some of the best times of my life! I never regretted the effort. All pilots become kindred spirits and often the best of friends. By the way, this video is about the cost of a private certificate. An instrument/commercial certificate is much more expensive (probably around $30,000.00 or more these days unless you find a second seat position to gain some free hours) and is needed before you can even begin to fly for hire. Every professional pilot you run across has paid their dues. I for one never got my commercial endorsement but I am proud to be one of the 609,306 private pilots in our nation today (that number is declining every year from over 800,000 pilots when I was first licensed in 1978). Happy flying!!
Here in BC, the PPL is only about $5k, give or take. Each year, you are required to keep up your hours. If you own your own craft, you need to store it somewhere. If you lease, you pay through the nose. If you have a friend with a plane, maybe you can work something out, but flying is out of reach for most. I was thinking of getting a hang glider, but even there is complications. Cheaper though. Parachuting is an option if budget is the problem. Jump classes are about $1000, and include your first jump. It's easy to become a trainer, and then jumps are free. I should have bought that farm years ago. I could make my own runway then.
surreygeorge11 hey, where is it only 5k I live in Vancouver and I’m looking at doing my license and in a 172 It’s about 13k for the minimum amount of hours
I got my Private Pilot Glider license for around $2,800 in 2014. I then transitioned to Single Engine land last year for around $3,800 in a C-150. The glider time helped a lot. I solo'd the C-150 after 4.5hrs and 4 lessons.
Wow... how times have changed. In 1967 I enrolled in an FAA approved school (35 hours minimum required for a license back then) after graduating from high school. If I remember correctly, aircraft rates for a Cessna 150 ran $11/hr solo and $15/ hour dual. I bought a Zweng manual and studied for the written on my own and took the exam at my local Flight Service Station for free. After recuperating from mononucleosis contracted at the beginning of the summer, I soloed on August 1 and successfully passed my Private Pilot's checkride on August 31. Total flight time was 37 hours and my total costs ran $600. Like I said, times have changed!
Wow! 65 hours? I got my private pilot certificate after 20 hours of flying with an instructor and 20 hours of flying solo == 40 hours total. I had no idea most pilots fly another 25 hours before they go for the test. I must have gotten a great deal on testing too, because the cost was $100, not counting the airplane which I rented from the same place I got my training and rented to fly solos. Question: Now I'm planning to buy an airplane. I'd love to pay only half as much and buy with a partner, however I have no idea how pilots find other pilots to partner on an airplane purchase. How do pilots do that?
max bootstrap it really depends on the student. 55 is usually the average in my flight school and I think its because certain schools have higher standards, thus it will take multiple attempts to complete a lesson. In the long run, it doesn’t really matter when you get your privates, it’s a matter of how safe you are as a pilot is what my flight school stresses.
max bootstrap how long ago did you do your test? Most Checkrides run $400+ where I’m at in Florida. Also the norm is 65hrs. Also depends on weather or money issues that prevent you from flying for a long time. I recommend people get the ASA ground school, learn by flying 3 times a week in a 172 with an instructor and it shouldn’t take too long or cost too much money. Time in between lessons is what slows people down. Cos they forget stuff 😂
A lot of it depends on the student, but also where you learn to fly. In a non-rural area where the traffic pattern is always open and the practice area is close by, it can go a lot quicker. As far as finding a partner, make friends at the airport, and also keep an eye out in the ads online. A lot of times you will find people looking to partner up on there.
another important and huge money saver is hanger flying. Get into the airplane and practice procedures on the ground. Mentally review your last lesson, do circuit from start up to shut down, practice emergancy procedures. The more comfortable you are in the aircraft the more you will get from each flight, the faster and cheaper it will be. Schools generally have no issue with students getting in the aircraft if it isn't booked. Just make sure you, leave the aircraft in the same condition you found it, ie master off and fuel selector on both.
I call it chair flying, but doing it in the plane in the hanger is even better, unless you live in AZ. BUT, I highly recommend it, or even FS202 in VR. VIdeo soon on FS and learning to fly.
You make a good point about time vs. money. Yes, a flight school may be more money, but you have a structured course and if one instructor is out, you can get another. With your own CFI and plane rental, there are more variables and to save money you may have to drive far, which is OK if you are single, not so great if you are mid-career with kids. Another point is short run vs. long run. Using a flying club you are doing more than just getting your license, you are going to be with a group of people whose goal is to support each other flying, which may be more valuable in the long run than saving a few hundred dollars, or they may have equipment, books, etc. to lend out.
Both sides really do have pros and cons. I'm going to be doing a Private VS Flight School video soon that should be a lot of fun. Thank you for your comment!
This why I just hire a pilot and plane when I really need to go somewhere. I did read a training manual and flew 2 small aircraft...one high wing, one low. With a qualified pilot beside me, I took off, landed (VFR calm air) went through various maneuvers as requested by the pilots, navigated and used the radio. I just didn't find it fun to do at all. My mind was continuously in overdrive looking all around outside, monitoring the instruments and asking myself what can possibly go wrong and what am I going to do about it if handing things over to the pilot were not an option. Something like 1 person per day dies in GA incidents.
I've taken 24 hours of ground schooling, but that's all I could afford. That ran me close to 1,500. I keep researching flight schools, but the tuition costs are just crazy! It seems like the only way to get into the industry is "You have to know a guy" these days. Thank you for posting these videos, I just ran across your channel the other evening.
@@Lunchboxicus For sure. And most people these days do an online ground school to save some money, especially if you go with a private instructor instead of a flight school. They cost 200 bucks or so.
@@flywiththeguys With the costs of going from Day 1 to Career being so high, would it be better to buy a Cessna 150 and try to find an instructor to help you get your certificates, or would you be better off going through flight school and hopefully get placed in a job?
Awesome video, well presented. For me, King Schools at a designated Cessna Pilot Center. KGEU (Glendale Arizona). They are gone now, but KDVT (Deer Valley Airport / Phoenix, AZ) has one. Licensed in 2001. Well under 65 hours, and at that time I was right at $6000. LOVE THE CESSNA 172 SP !!!! - Also certified in the all glass cockpit (Garmin G1000) - but really prefer the old "Steam Gauges"... Again, Well done.
How times change! I went to American Flyers in Ardmore, OK. I was trained from January through July. Total cost including room and board was $6,000. I graduated with a commercial license and instrument rating ...oh, and the year was 1966.
Yea.... Thats roughly 47K in today's money. If you got a commercial certificate, insturment, and PPL, that's a STEAL In my option. At a flight school today, you can only pick two of those for roughly the same money. Check this out.... atpflightschool.com/become-a-pilot/flight-training/pilot-training-cost.html
You neglected to mention how new pilots can make most of that money back with a few smuggling flights across the border. $15,000 is cheap, when you're learning how to move llallo, dude.
Got my license in the mid 70's and learned in a 150. I spend about 2 years - paid out of pocket and had several instructors which was a benefit. Total cost was about 4K and had about 70 hours before the check ride (mostly due to the start and stop) I did my ground school over a weekend course - which I recommend.
You can thank the AOPA for allowing the demise of general aviation. They failed to object to the litigation against Cessna that caused Cessna ( Piper and others) to discontinue production of general aviation aircraft. BTW, I worked for a flight school that had over 100 150's on three flight lines...There are still flight instructors of my generation that won't take lawyers as students. Check the litigation out for yourself...then you'll understand.
Oh I missed flying. I got my PPL back in 1997. Took my oral and flight test at Van Nuys airport. Learning to fly was an experience on its own I'll tell you.
Ah yes, the medical. I was about to lose my type III with an A1C too close to 8 for comfort. I was 195 lbs, and had to get it down. I put myself on a diet, nothing white and smaller portions. Took me just over 1 year to lose down to 170 lbs, then now to 165. I feel better, and my A1C is 6.5. I learned one thing, whatever you really, REALLY want, you can obtain, IF you really want it! That's the secret. Not because my wife wanted me to lose the weight, or for any health problem. It was totally that no one was going to take my license away from me because of weight, so I lost it! If you really want something, really want it, you can get it, IF you have a real and personal reason.
I always wondered at what point does the medical exam actually take place. Imagine spending all that money and then being denied because of the medical.
Back in the 80's I was able to take ground school at a local community college for just a few bucks registration. The instructor was clearly there because of his passion for flying, and I learned so much more that simply how to pass a test. He also arranged for an examiner to give the test for those who wanted to take it for just the FAA fee, I think it was $40 or so at the time. There was even a "field trip" to visit the LAX control tower. The whole class was an awesome experience, but I don't know if such programs still exist. I was really tempted but ultimately decided it was too expensive, but have fed my addiction to airtime by flying paragliders for the last 30 years...
I'm from the other side of the big pond, might be interesting to have a Europeans perspective too (Belgium to be more specific). I'll start off by saying that since European fuel prices are way higher (we (very roughly) pay per liter what Americans pay per gallon) which does affect the rental costs of the planes. You need 45 hours instead of 40 though before you can take the checkride, the average of 65 hours still counts. I started my training about 3 years ago at a local club and did most of my flying in a 1970-something cessna 150. And even though they try their damnest to keep prices down they still ask €118/hr for it and €150/hr for their 1998 cessna 172. So cost breakdown is a bit like this: - club membership (yearly): €220 - books/materials: €200 - protractor/navigation computer/charts/...: €100 - headset: €300 - medical (class 2): ~€400 - English skill-test: €150 practical part: - instructor: €45/hr * 65 hours = €2925 - plane: €118/hr * 65 hours= €7670 - checkride (2 hours of engine time + examinor): €600 - myriad of administrative costs (getting your logbook, getting your license, ...): €150 honorable mention: - landing fees: varying from €5 to €85 (for "international" airports) per landing, I've yet to encounter an airport that doesn't ask at least €5 for landing, even small grass strips. Grand total: €12 715(excluding landing fees) Which is in-line with the average cost my club uses when people ask how much it costs to learn how to fly. I've also yet to find a club that can do it cheaper while still maintaining quality. Though most other clubs I know use newer planes which immediately increases rental prices towards the €200/hr mark. If you go through an actual flightschool you can take the above total and multiply that by 2, at the minimum, but as mentioned in the video it does come with advantages (more planes, more instructors, better infrastructure to name a few).
As a CFI I can say these figures are sky high. Why rent a C172 when all you want to do is get your license, a C150/152 is more than enough. I would say 8 to 10k should cover it all.
Hi Hugh, since you are a CFI, I have a question. if you are only required to have 40 hours of training why is the average 65 hours to get your license? Does that mean the students are not applying themselves to the task at hand or are the CFI's to blame?
@@jamespotter936 Students vary greatly. Some, because of the cost, spread out the process. Others are not as proficient. Very few complete in 40 hours. It also depends on the airport, a large airport with a tower will take much longer because so much time is spent on the ground.
Hugh Campbell I second this. I switched schools to a non-towered airport for this reason as well as cheaper rates on plane and CFI. Less traffic at smaller airport and/or no ATC means less time waiting on the ground.
I did that while I had access to a small instructor. After he left for bigger and better things, I was left with a heavier instructor and the bill from a C172.
In Hungary, where I currently live it costs *ONLY* *$25,843* to go from *0 knowledge* to an *ATPL* license! *PPL* only costs just under *$6,000*! I'm so blessed!
@@ian1064 I new people who studied in Czech Republic. It depends, what do you plan to do after. Do you want to do it for fun, or you have any career plans? Ultimately, always check the school reputation.
Great no BS video of the expected cost of flight training. In 2006 it cost me 16,000.00 to get my helo PPL in a Schweitzer. Did the check ride at 60 hours, part 61 school. Did all the ground school on my own pretty much. The same PPl would probably cost about 25,000.00 today.
Very interesting video, also need to build in the yearly cost of a medical in the UK. I think the cost per hour Is very reasonable so long as you are careful on the price structure - where I fly you only pay for the time in the aircraft/air… 10 minutes on the ground before, all the time in the air and 5 minutes on the ground afterwards, great value. On ground school ‘a book or two’ was an underestimate for me as I ended up with about 7 manuals on different t elements and a similar number of practice test books…… I anticipate about £10,000 - £12,000 overall in the UK estimate 2022…..still only on lesson 6 so a way to go yet.
Thats awesome if your a 20 yr old Romanian. But for the 4 billion of us on earth who arent 20 yr old Romanians your comment is pointless and the information contained within it Useless.
I trained back in the day. Most of it in a 152. I never liked the 172. Of course, I did spins in the 152. Can't do that in a 172. When I soloed after 12 hours, never talked to anyone until I did the three circuits. Things were looser then. A lot has changed. I got a Cherokee Arrow 200 after 85 hours and several 1000s of hours later, still fly that plane. Love the aviation community. It's been a great adventure!
Airline shortages meaning CFI's time is far more expensive along with value of planes. For those looking for aviation career, it's nothing compared to what they can be making now.
@@flywiththeguys aeroclubulromaniei.ro/articol/informatii-referitoare-la-cursurile-care-se-vor-desfasura-in-anul-2019 give this link to your friend ( this link is contains informations about free flying courses in 2019) also this link aeroclubulromaniei.ro/page/scau-cursuri-oferite (price list for flying courses if you don't qualify for the free ones) I am from Romania and i took the courses for skydiving and those for gliders when i was 17yo.
I got my license in early 1984 after another pilot/instructor accident and with second instructor. Get the best you can afford or you might pay more later. You must commit to it 100% !
i am a student pilot very close to my check ride ,there is a lot of advertise for less then half .i have seeing add from $4500-$6500 its not A true number its base on FAA minimum require . These Are the real realistic Numbers.
Most courses today for truck driving is about $6,500 so not much difference in price. Am thinking about getting into flying now. 21 years on the road and when i have taken flight on vacation i love the thought of seeing all the traffic jams and not being stuck in them. lol
Flying is a great thing. If you’re planning on trying to fly as a career, check out our video in what it takes to fly a jet. There’s a lot more requirements for fly commercially. ruclips.net/video/DkNLzoBh9w8/видео.html
Oh, 750.00 in 1970 dollars is 4738.00 in 2017 dollars. So see if you can figure out why a PPL costs about 15 grand today. Have fun. By the way I got my BA in Economics.
@@sliderBro No; he feels the need to prove he is smart and qualified to ask the question. It will further inflate his sense of pride when you miss the question or when you get it right he gives a condescending "pat on the back" but still making sure you know his knowledge is supreme because he knew the answer first. Statements such as these come from people who have narcissistic traits. It throws you off at first but you need to know that he cares nothing of anyones answer only that he knows you saw it was he who asked the question.
Got my pilot license in a cesna 150. One of my dilemmas is when banking often times you either over or under shoot your bank angle. Same with dive and climb. I thought boy do I wish the yoke shaft had some kind of notches which click and locks so you know how many clicks. I am not the worst. During instrument training, a bloke from the Air Force nose deep dive the simulator. I had the nerves to maintain my attitude even in a simulator difficult to handle.
In Montreal (Lachute Airport) it cost $8550 + tx in CAD! Pretty good price and school is close to my home which is pretty good if I want to save every quarter for fuel and other costs! Cessna 152
VERY helpful. I don't think the background music is helpful, though. The important information deserves to be the entire focus. And the background "music" is just noise, (am I on hold?) distracting from what is a quite professional presentation.
Im doing a bachelor's program for aviation through Liberty online and to be honest I really like how its laid out. Since financing is most peoples block from going into flight training (like myself) it gave me the option to do student loans to pay for it rather than out of pocket (which can cost you more in the long run because your lessons are so infrequent that you lose what you learn inbetween so you need closer to 65 hours instead of 40). I did my private through liberty and a partnered flight school and it cost me $9,000 for the course on a student loan and I dropped about $1000 for materials (Ipad, headset, logbooks, additional study materials) so all in all it cost me about 10,000 dollars but Im able to spread out the cost at least.
Thanks for sharing that. You’re not wrong, you save a lot of money if you complete it in 40 hours. But your comment gave me an idea for another video on how to pay for your flight training. Thanks!
Michael Harding - I had a Great Paying Job when I learned to fly! I was doing Concrete Construction, Form Work, excavation, drilling & installation of ReBar, etc, and had a good amount of "Overtime" @ Time and a Half pay: I still calculated 4 Hours overtime, for 1 hour flying, in the Late '70's! Today, it seems, localy, the ratio is increased to about 5+ hours Overtime! Flying was never "Cheap", but Electric Flight is beginning, and that can make it Less Expensive, if it all works out!
Agree 100% with everything here! Only thing i would add is an ipad and foreflight subscription. I mean clearly you dont NEED these, but nowadays it is silly to not do this if you can afford the extra few hundred dollars given the capabilities offered.
Well, that depends on what you want to do with it. Theres no real age limit, you just have to be able to maintain a medical certificate. But, if you wanted to make a career switch it may be impractical the older you get. BUT, I know some people who have gotten commercial pilot license at 55 and started instructing. If you want to fly for pleasure, then you're never too old! It just comes down to keeping that medical up to date.
Thank you! Its just one of those questions that is never answered well. People usually just quote what it cost them or the numbers based on the minimum hours. But, everyone is different in how they learn so going with averages for costs is a lot better.
Holy cow, I'm glad I learned to fly when I did. I got all of my ratings for around $10,000. That's private & commercial with instrument rating, and later multiengine rating. I also picked up a CFI. When I got done with all that, there were no jobs to be had. Now I read that there's a pilot shortage. My story and how much it cost gives my age away!
i got all mine minus the cfi in 84/85 for roughly 12k in four year old 172s..a 182Rg and a '81 310R...take into consideration the rate of inflation for a basic ppl..this guys figures are spot on
+Christopher Torres ...good luck in your career ...one of my son in laws flies left seat for a regional carrier...next yr he moves up to right seat in the majors in a airbus..hang in there
@@mattf49006 thanks buddy I'm currently a First officer for silver airways based in orlando fl with a direct path to frontier or jetblue after 1000 hours with silver
I'm extremely lucky as I am a native Alaskan that was raised by upper class parents, I don't act rich, I'm only 17 and I drive a $2500 car and I do almost everything on my own. I am lucky as my tribes corporation will Sponcer me with room and board, the school I'm going to begin attending in the next 5 months will accept me at all expenses paid. The reason I have this opportunity is because there aren't too many native pilots and they would like me for the democratic, I am motivated and ready to fly!!
I spent about $500.00 - for everything - of course that was in 1963 when I was in the Marines in Los Alamitos, CA. I haven't flown for years - and probably will never again, but it was fun. Of course, in 1963 - $500 (for a Marine Corporal) was a lot of money. I was in Flight Operations, working with pilots and charts, so I never had to go to Flight School. I've always felt better when flying with someone else.
Thanks for your comments guys! Keep them coming! Also, let me know what you would like to see next. Happy to make videos for you guys.
Question: if I get my privat pilot license can I fly small single o twin jet plane
Most Jet aircraft fly in class A airspace. This would require an interment rating. You would also need a multi engine rating for the twin engine and a type rating for the aircraft.
Aviation Guys I am guessing these cost don't include IFR instrument rating.
how do navigate to a destination
@@krasnograd If you get PPL on TWIN your licence rating would be Multi Engine Land, which means you are eligible to flight on Multi, but not in a Single. Moreover, all the Turbo require ATPL to operate as a captain, and at least CPL, or ATPL frozen (IATRA in Canada) for the First Officer.
im a boater so am experienced at throwing money into a hole.
So is my neighbor. But he’s selling it and getting a plane so....
@@flywiththeguys He could have joined a boat club to save money...
@@VerisimilitudeDude Is that a thing? I dont know if thats a thing... seems like a sunk cost.
But, boats are fun. They take up keep as well and are debating cheaper then airplanes.
@@flywiththeguys Well, I do know that it's a thing or i wouldn't have brought it up. Just in south Florida alone there's the Fort Lauderdale boat club, Freedom Boat Club, and then on Boatsetter.com there's lists of boat clubs, etc.
They say the two best days of boat ownership is the day you buy it, and the day you sell it. IDK.
I watched top gun 10 times, I feel like that's good enough...
Or, you could watch Iron Eagle 5 times and learn in half the time!
@howzit3000 Best mobile game out there
Dennis Morris Sorry goose but it’s time to buzz the tower... *Cessna 172 RC plane flies by tree*
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Dennis Morris 😂lmao
Great summary. I spent about $7,500 to get mine in 2012 in a Cessna 152, and using Sporty's DVDs for the ground school. Another money/time saving tip is to get a yoke, throttle, and rudder set for a computer and practice on a flight simulator. I probably spent about 2-3 hours on the sim for every hour in the plane. It really helped with my maneuvers and checklist flows. Practicing on the computer meant that I made better use of my time in the plane.
About 7500 for me too. I set up a simulator too ,with all the saitek gear. My friend who was learning with me didn't. It was obvious who learned quicker. Sim time is a huge advantage.
I am taking Sporty’s online course now. I am very happy with it and confident I will pass the exam.
@@briant6669 thanks for this!! It helped me to get a simulator also.
@@mins4582 the oculus rift or vive can add a ton of realism to a sim rig. I use rift with x plane 11 and the experience is amazing. It can also cut down on switches and gauges u usually add to a sim.
Brian T Oh my gosh, thank you!! I have the XPlane 11 and was looking to help the realism. I was about to invest in all the components. You just saved me some $. 👍🏻
I’m 15 and just starting my journey to a private pilots license and I got super lucky because an elderly woman whom I do yard work and house chores for has been flying for over 50 years and has a Cessna 172 so the majority of the cost will not be there because she has been very generous and as long as I pay for fuel I can use her airplane
That's a great deal! Lots of savings there.
I am an elderly man. Is that elderly lady a widow? .... Can I have her phone number? 😆
Try to see if she'll give it to you when she croaks
Can I use her airplane? LOL Say you know me from youtube ;P
@@waterheaterservices 😂🤣
I bought a 150 cessna for 10 K ready to fly, I hired a private instructor at 45 an hour, with fuel, instruction and 8 months of plane payments at 150 a month, I got it for under 5 grand, including testing etc. I sold the plane after I finished for 11,500
Where did you find Cessna 150 for 10 k? I'm planning to get one. Please help.
@@sudarsan179 Did you want wings with that? They're extra!🤣
How much for a hanger? Or place to store it
@@digginaustin I kept my 150 outside tied down at my local airport, when I bought my 172 I had a partner and he knew a guy that had a hangar and it was stored in there "no charge" my friend was a doctor and im a mechanic so we had to do favors every now and again.
@@sudarsan179 thats 10kdollars idiot not rupees
Hey! Southwest pilot here. I see a lot of flight training videos on youtube, but yours gives some great info and lays it all out in a very thoughtful way. I started flying in 2013 with zero experience, so I know the process well. Thanks for being such a great resource for our future aviators!
Jordan Lascomb thank you for your kind words! It really means a lot. I’m planning on rolling a lot out here soon and your encouragement helps!
No flight experience to southwest pilot in 6 years? How. Teach me 🙏🏽🙏🏽
So, cancel my southwest flight to Florida.
Hey Jordan, I’m a Southwest Flight attendant. Looking to start my pilot career. Got motivated to do it talking to all the pilots I work with! You were probably one of them! lol #MOTIVATED
6 years from flight training to land Southwest planes on a regular basis. Hmmm, sounds reasonable to me. I think I'll operate on someone's brain tomorrow as a brain surgeon. I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night with my friend the 6 year Southwest pilot...lol
Recent PPL graduate, here. A very important note on flight-training by going with an hourly or "private" model - many flight schools charge by the hour. $12,700 seems like a lot - but in an hourly model, you only need to pay each week for the lessons you take.
One huge tip is to make sure you get in two flight sessions each week, about 2 - 3 hours of flying in two separate sessions. This typically gets you to the lowest over-all cost because what you learned last time is still fresh in your mind, and less time is used refreshing what you've already learned in the air.
SimGamerTV - 2 or 3 Lessons a Week? If you live real close to your Flight School, Sure!
I was a 120 Miles away, took a Leave of Absence from Work, to start, plus paid for Hotel & Restaurant Meals while there; so, I did morning and afternoon flights, everyday, except for 2, over 3 Weeks!
Flew C-172 & C-182 in my Training! Overall, with work, weather, and family holiday interruptions, it took me about four and a half months to nail it! Also, I was right on the 65 Hour Mark, at completion, so I think he is fair, on that!
I think he should have listed Low, Typical, and High figures, so folks have a better reality in mind, though!
SimGamerTV
Amazing Advice, Thankyou.
I’m retraining but after a car accident, I’ve forgotten most of it...so all should be good.
I can only fly prop now.
Sad face.
LoL
Good tip
Just retiring from an airline career, it was interesting to hear what it costs to get a private these days. In 1969, when I started,, a Cessna 150 was $10 per hour wet and the instructors charged about $5. In today’s dollars that would be $70 for the airplane and $35 for the instructor, so it is slightly more expensive today. While everyone is focused on the cost of acquiring a private pilots license, they should also consider the cost of maintaining it. It is important for new pilots to fly regularly, especially in the first year or two. I think the ability to budget money for an hour a week in plane rentals in the first year or so should be a consideration before jumping into the training. Working toward a higher rating or certificate is a great way to maintain proficiency. And don’t dismiss the benefits of using a home flight simulator for practicing procedures and aeronautical decision making. Learning the G530, GTN750, or G1000 in X-Plane is far cheaper than when the Hobbs meter is spinning. Check out my channel to see what is possible in home sims these days.
As a instructor out of San Antonio I really like this video and I’m adding this to how I explain to my students the cost.
Awesome! Thank you for that.
Rule: estimate what you think you could possibly afford.
Then double it.
Scott Franco - A long Time Ago, when I learned, ending with the PPL @ 65 Hours, learning in the slightly More expensive C-172, plus about 5 hours in the C-182, I ended up spending only 50% over "Average" of the day!
I guess I got "Lucky!"
i do that for all my expenses and budgeting for university 😂😂, i maximise the cost so i can get a realistic idea
75000? Fucking hell mate
Then double it again.
0 x 2 = 0
Cost me $1,800 in 1981. Plane rental was $26 per hour and I believe instructor was $15. That $41 an hour was mighty hard to scrape up as a college kid and took me better part of 18 months. However, it was worth it and I learned a lot.
Yeah but you got paid 3 dollars an hour back than too
Crazy how costs have escalated. In 1975, my instructor was $12.50 per hour and a Cessna 150 wet rented for $13.50 per hour out of Long Beach Airport, CA. I got my License in 43 hours. Unbelieveable.
My instructor charges $100 an hour....
1973 at a military aero club. When I started it was $12/hr for Cherokee 140 (wet) and $6/hour for the instructor. Part 141 school. 37.1 hours total. DPE was only $40.
Its those damn federations. As an Aircraft Mechanic, i can assure that parts that look like they could go for 5 dollars will actually be far higher like 80-100$ all because its has a certification.
@@someup7786 that's absolutely ridiculous.
So you'll teach at those rates?????
When I graduated HS, it cost 2000 bucks to take a flight school from ground to license. The minimum wage at that time was 85 cents an hour.
Thank you!
Good summary.
I did PPL on Cessna 152, CPL on C172, and CPL time building on Cessna 172 G1000. Garmin was slightly more expensive, however, I got experience in Glass Cockpit operation, which very useful in modern aviation.
To prevent money wasted concentrate on the ground school, before flying.
Still cheaper then college
Your better of as well
Probably more useful too.
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@@beacondog2440You're*
Don't skip college, do both and you'll be better prepared.
I started flying in 1982 and it took me a couple of years to get it all done. Overall, it took me about 80-flying hours because of the stretch of time and proving to the instructor I hadn't forgotten my training. It was a blast even though it took two-years, but it was worth it. I joined the Civil Air Patrol where airplane proficiency training, a neat way of saying rental, was really cheap. And when there are missions, the plane is paid for by someone else. A great way to build hours and get really good at staying ahead of the airplane. Today, I'm still a Private Pilot Single Engine Land, and a Commercial Pilot Helicopter. It's classified as a mental disease once you get the flying bug. Enjoyed the video.
After your VFR, you should get your IFR, within a year. The reason, the high percentage of GA fatalities are due to the pilot not knowing how to fly in IMC. I reside in southeastern Michigan, and about 70% of the year is IMC.
PTK airport?
This maybe explained elsewhere, but get your medical first, that is not as much expense, but it can remove any doubts of fitness and getting a certificate past a Student.
Yeah...aviation is an unhealthy obsession. People who do it...love it!!!
Like 1 great pilot told me: "when I started this I had $100 in my pocket. And I'll be dammed if I quit before I get that back!!!"
We definitely know the feeling! If you stick around long enough, it can pay off.
Like me trading stocks..
I did all you asked because you really really and reallyreally REALLY !! deserved all ...Thumbed up and liked .., what a guy ! What a video !! Splendid
So many ways to learn. I did it in 43 hours. The trusty 152 is a great teacher.
One missing item was to read, read, read. The more you know, the shorter you training time. Ground school, thus, an aviation knowledge book got me a 94% on the written, plus, that saved flying time teaching me.
Also, bum rides with others to get more air time. Observing is a great tool.
General aviation is scaring prospective students away with the numbers.
When asked, I give solutions to the high expenses up front.
Exactly, with so much information on line don't wait to be spoon fed by the flight $chool. I solo'ed in 8hrs but times have changed, some one that I knew was interested in flying because I was a Pilot, after 18hrs he still hadn't solo'ed, some of these schools will milk you that way or he just wasn't cut out to be a Pilot, I don't know. Others that have been inspired by my Pilot cert have gone on the complete training and become Pilot's themselves. There are school's out there that will get you to your cert in 30 days, everything scheduled for you, no scheduling a plane when it's available and hoping for the best. Otherwise, as many of you Pilot's know, it can be a long drawn out process at a local flight school.
david grier great advice, what other solutions or insights can you share about the upfront costs? Thanks
I’m currently in the military and deployed as well. Is there an online class that’s good out there or certain books I can read so I can learn as much as possible before going back home and spending money to go to flight school? Just want my money to be put to as much good use as possible before spending it and getting the most out of the hours I’m buying by being prepared.
It's incredible to finish with minimum hours. People finish 65 - 75 on average.
David Grier, also, one could "Learn To Fly" in a Glider, First, then add a Power PPL, as a Supplement to that! So long as they have access to a Non Profit Gliding School - For Profit ones are quite pricy, too!
Great video explaining the costs! I live in a fairly rural area and 10 years ago I was able to complete my PPL for $6,500! C-150 for $83-wet, $35 hr for instruction, took my check ride at 55 hours. Passed the first time!
Thanks! I wish things were less expensive around here. I do know of some places that rent a 150 at that price still though.
Don't forget insurance one you start to solo!
My flight training cost 13.5k. That includes the written, and practical costs. I flew in a 172N (steam guage) for a total of 73.5 hours. My headset was borrowed, so no cost from that. This was in Dec. 2019 in Northern Oklahoma.
Person experience, for PPL, get an older more experienced instructor. anything higher , instruments /CPL etc, go to a flight school with more structured lessons.
Great job. We up and comings needs all the insight we can get.
Out next video is about how to start flying. Should be a good one. Thanks for watching!
Real accurate number guys! Remember to study before every lesson. Remember this; the more time you study on the ground the more money you’ll save.
I’m a CFI in the Denver area. In my experience I highly recommend buying an iPad with the ForeFlight application as well. A ForeFlight subscription costs $100/year, but will include all of your VFR, IFR charts, chart supplements, current weather info, and much more. The iPad, or as the FAA refers to it, Electronic Flight Bag (or EFB) will also allow you to organize all of your materials. Only problem with an EFB is its battery powered, so always have a back up! Personally I keep ForeFlight on my phone as well (no extra cost if you have an iPhone) and keep a backup battery. Hope this helps!
You literally sound like the marketing wing of ForeFlight. But I agree, and use it on most my flights, despite having a GPS in the plane.
Fantastic informational video. Very much appreciated how clearly you laid it all out. Probably will be grounded from flying for some time to come, but this really helps for planning down the road.
Thank you for your kind words!
The costs today, 2020 to get your "Private Certificate", or License as we all usually say, is quite high. Understand that any flight school is a BUSINESS, and as such, their in business to make money, and to teach students how to fly, according to FAA rules. The student has no idea how long it will take, and the instructors know this. If not, the school tells them. I can only use my own example when I went through the process in 1978.
Instructors were charging $10/hr., and the Cessna 150's went for $20/hr. wet, meaning the plane was full of gas when you rent it, and when you return, you fill it up, and pay for the gas. Today it's more like the plane rents for $150/hr, wet, and the instructor charges around $50/hr. It all adds up. You already know it takes a minimum of 40 hours of instruction & plane rentals to reach your "Private". That equates to 40 hours of plane rental, and 10-to 20 hours of ground school, and further instruction. If you are more of a natural flyer, you should finish in the low 40 hours +, however the school might fudge those hours, and add 1-2-5-10 more hours if THEY feel it's needed. Maybe it is, and maybe it wasn't. I don't know. I just know it's all a business, and the student will never know, unless you are one of the naturals, and it all seems to come easy, as was my case in 1978.
My suggestion would be to join the Experimental Aircraft Association in your area, go to the meetings, and mingle. Find out if anyone is an instructor that will take you on for teaching, and nail him or her down on the price per hour. Try to fly a Cessna 150, 152, or a Piper Tomahawk. They rent for a lot less, around $40/hr + or maybe slightly higher. Wet of course. The per hour will be FAR less than a new, overpriced Sport plane with a Rotax engine. I have read too many articles about the Rotax engine, and even the original owner of Rotax, died flying in a sport plane with one of his rotate engines that failed. I would suggest learning on an older plane with a Lycoming, or Continental engine. They are well tried and true. Remember this, the engine in a plane is EVERYTHING, everything else is fluff. Sure, a glass panel is beautiful, but only with a Lycoming, or Continental engine.
Going through an individual, and not a regular school WILL save you money, but the instructor must have his/her CFI certificate to teach you legally. On the flip side of this, if a friend, or family member, or even a fellow EAA member with his own plane can help you, it's just that without a Commercial rating he, or sho CANNOT charge you for any instruction. That's not legal without the Commercial rating. Learn what you can from this person, then go to a school. At least you will be further along with your studies, and your flight school will be, or should be shorter. If you can get to the point of taking off, and landing, with some type of instructor on board, before you sign up with a school, you will be in a better shape to start at a registered school. Maybe you could find an independent instructor in your town, not associated with any school. This too might be a good way to start.
I have flown from 1978, owned 2 different aircraft, and still have my class III medical. Still current, but now with no plane to fly, I haven't flown in several months. Note: Flying to Oshkosh was a dream of mine, and ended up being the best thing I EVER did, and I did it 3 times. Loved it! Good Luck.
Thanks for your story! Things have really changed over the years and it's rather frustrating. Around where I live, the cost of a good instructor is now up to 75-80 and hour so they can make a living wage. The flight schools charge $50, but you have to use their overpriced planes. So... it evens out. I love hearing people sharing aviation and helping new pilots out, but I'm seeing less and less of that too as the liability is just too much. =(
Goodness, one can still do it for about $7k-$8K in rural areas all included. All this guy is doing is coaching people to get comfortable to pay the ever increasing price tag of arm and leg.
Great Video. How things have changed over the years, I got my private in 1972 in a New 1972 Piper PA28 140 full price, all in $800.00 packaged price included ground school and flight test. Flew my flight test off a grass strip in Canada.
I was around 10k in 2013. C172, private CFI, gleim online ground school. Check ride was 400.
You need to put out videos more frequently.
Excellent presentation that is highly accurate. When I learned to fly back in the late 1970s I didn't have two nickels to rub together. After long thought and hours of crunching numbers I decided to refinance my house to purchase an airplane before even learning to fly. A pilot friend recommended a Piper J-3 Cub. I refinanced my mortgage to tap my equity for the $4,500 (a fortune in those days) to buy a 1945 war time Cub that had been converted to a J-3! I never will forget the day it arrived. I hired a pilot to ferry it down from Oklahoma to Louisiana. The next morning the ferry pilot taught me to hand prop the plane and then took me for my first ride. I had previously taken a couple hours instruction in someone else's Cub with an instructor so I knew what to expect. Flying in my own airplane was thrilling. A local instructor was available for $10 per hour and aviation fuel was only 78 cents per gallon. By skipping sodas and snacks at work all week I managed to hire an hour of instruction time every weekend. Eight weeks later I soloed and could fly my Cub alone. I had soloed for the total price of about $106.00 including fuel but excluding the airplane that was still worth at least what I paid for it. Another pilot friend scoffed at me for paying that much for a used J-3 Cub. He remembered picking them up for $1,000 or less second hand. However used airplane prices were on the rise. I ended up buying and selling eleven airplanes over the years and I profited on every single one of them, most times making enough to cover the costs of insurance, maintenance and inspections. Eventually I had to rent a high performance airplane to get my three hours of instrument, night and HP time so that added quite a bit. I think that airplane was $50 per hour wet with instructor. I eventually purchased a two year old 1975 Bellanca Citabria 7ECA for $12,500.00 and used it for my radio work and check ride. Ground school back then cost me $135 and the check ride was around $100. I finally got my license at 95 hours total flying time but that is because I enjoyed building a lot of time in my J3 Cub while I had it. Where else could a student pilot build hours for $3.12 per hour in fuel?! All in all I think it cost me between $1,100 & $1,200 to get my license including the written, oral and check ride. Adjusting for inflation that would be around $8,400.00 today. Most of the savings came from owning my own airplane. It would be difficult to duplicate my effort today because airplanes cost so much more as does maintenance and insurance. A Piper Cub like the one I had back then would now cost you about $26,000 or more in average condition. A fully restored J-3 Cub can cost nearly twice that amount. Too bad I didn't keep one of my airplanes. I could have sold it in retirement for a much larger profit lol. All in all my flying days were some of the best times of my life! I never regretted the effort. All pilots become kindred spirits and often the best of friends. By the way, this video is about the cost of a private certificate. An instrument/commercial certificate is much more expensive (probably around $30,000.00 or more these days unless you find a second seat position to gain some free hours) and is needed before you can even begin to fly for hire. Every professional pilot you run across has paid their dues. I for one never got my commercial endorsement but I am proud to be one of the 609,306 private pilots in our nation today (that number is declining every year from over 800,000 pilots when I was first licensed in 1978). Happy flying!!
you have a really good setup of your channel and everything! but some more frequently videos and you will be my favorite! :D
Here in BC, the PPL is only about $5k, give or take. Each year, you are required to keep up your hours. If you own your own craft, you need to store it somewhere. If you lease, you pay through the nose.
If you have a friend with a plane, maybe you can work something out, but flying is out of reach for most.
I was thinking of getting a hang glider, but even there is complications. Cheaper though.
Parachuting is an option if budget is the problem. Jump classes are about $1000, and include your first jump. It's easy to become a trainer, and then jumps are free.
I should have bought that farm years ago. I could make my own runway then.
surreygeorge11 hey, where is it only 5k I live in Vancouver and I’m looking at doing my license and in a 172 It’s about 13k for the minimum amount of hours
I'm very blessed as I went through class 69-03, Air Force pilot training at Craig Air Force base, Selma, Alabama.
Anyone learning to fly should also look into the Recreational license and the Sport Pilot license.
I got my Private Pilot Glider license for around $2,800 in 2014. I then transitioned to Single Engine land last year for around $3,800 in a C-150. The glider time helped a lot. I solo'd the C-150 after 4.5hrs and 4 lessons.
Glider license has been quoted to me for nearly 9k! I will try the flight sim idea plus the ground school on dvd, and see how far I can get.
@@amramjose yikes. Feel blessed to have some affordable flight here in Ohio.
Wow... how times have changed. In 1967 I enrolled in an FAA approved school (35 hours minimum required for a license back then) after graduating from high school. If I remember correctly, aircraft rates for a Cessna 150 ran $11/hr solo and $15/ hour dual. I bought a Zweng manual and studied for the written on my own and took the exam at my local Flight Service Station for free. After recuperating from mononucleosis contracted at the beginning of the summer, I soloed on August 1 and successfully passed my Private Pilot's checkride on August 31. Total flight time was 37 hours and my total costs ran $600. Like I said, times have changed!
Wow! 65 hours? I got my private pilot certificate after 20 hours of flying with an instructor and 20 hours of flying solo == 40 hours total. I had no idea most pilots fly another 25 hours before they go for the test. I must have gotten a great deal on testing too, because the cost was $100, not counting the airplane which I rented from the same place I got my training and rented to fly solos. Question: Now I'm planning to buy an airplane. I'd love to pay only half as much and buy with a partner, however I have no idea how pilots find other pilots to partner on an airplane purchase. How do pilots do that?
max bootstrap it really depends on the student. 55 is usually the average in my flight school and I think its because certain schools have higher standards, thus it will take multiple attempts to complete a lesson.
In the long run, it doesn’t really matter when you get your privates, it’s a matter of how safe you are as a pilot is what my flight school stresses.
max bootstrap how long ago did you do your test? Most Checkrides run $400+ where I’m at in Florida. Also the norm is 65hrs. Also depends on weather or money issues that prevent you from flying for a long time.
I recommend people get the ASA ground school, learn by flying 3 times a week in a 172 with an instructor and it shouldn’t take too long or cost too much money. Time in between lessons is what slows people down. Cos they forget stuff 😂
iVince905 same here, safety + experience vs churning out pilots like other intensive schools that have in house Examiners.
A lot of it depends on the student, but also where you learn to fly. In a non-rural area where the traffic pattern is always open and the practice area is close by, it can go a lot quicker. As far as finding a partner, make friends at the airport, and also keep an eye out in the ads online. A lot of times you will find people looking to partner up on there.
Bulletin boards at local airports sometimes has people looking for partners or advertising a flying club.
another important and huge money saver is hanger flying. Get into the airplane and practice procedures on the ground. Mentally review your last lesson, do circuit from start up to shut down, practice emergancy procedures. The more comfortable you are in the aircraft the more you will get from each flight, the faster and cheaper it will be. Schools generally have no issue with students getting in the aircraft if it isn't booked. Just make sure you, leave the aircraft in the same condition you found it, ie master off and fuel selector on both.
I call it chair flying, but doing it in the plane in the hanger is even better, unless you live in AZ. BUT, I highly recommend it, or even FS202 in VR. VIdeo soon on FS and learning to fly.
In summary getting a pilot certificate is for those who have disposal income.
You make a good point about time vs. money. Yes, a flight school may be more money, but you have a structured course and if one instructor is out, you can get another. With your own CFI and plane rental, there are more variables and to save money you may have to drive far, which is OK if you are single, not so great if you are mid-career with kids. Another point is short run vs. long run. Using a flying club you are doing more than just getting your license, you are going to be with a group of people whose goal is to support each other flying, which may be more valuable in the long run than saving a few hundred dollars, or they may have equipment, books, etc. to lend out.
Both sides really do have pros and cons. I'm going to be doing a Private VS Flight School video soon that should be a lot of fun. Thank you for your comment!
great video and thanks for the important information 👏 can't wait to become a pilot, working 3 jobs to save up 🤗
Awesome! That’s one of the best ways to reduce its cost. Have the money ready, and then dedicate the time to get through it quickly.
This why I just hire a pilot and plane when I really need to go somewhere. I did read a training manual and flew 2 small aircraft...one high wing, one low. With a qualified pilot beside me, I took off, landed (VFR calm air) went through various maneuvers as requested by the pilots, navigated and used the radio. I just didn't find it fun to do at all. My mind was continuously in overdrive looking all around outside, monitoring the instruments and asking myself what can possibly go wrong and what am I going to do about it if handing things over to the pilot were not an option. Something like 1 person per day dies in GA incidents.
Very informative. Thank you!
Thank you Guys for such a fruitful information.
Our pleasure!
I love flying, the physics and the mechanics are amazing! I wish I could make a career out of flying, but the costs are just so high.
I would agree. Love flying, but even I'm seeing the costs going crazy, almost out of control.
I've taken 24 hours of ground schooling, but that's all I could afford. That ran me close to 1,500. I keep researching flight schools, but the tuition costs are just crazy! It seems like the only way to get into the industry is "You have to know a guy" these days. Thank you for posting these videos, I just ran across your channel the other evening.
@@Lunchboxicus For sure. And most people these days do an online ground school to save some money, especially if you go with a private instructor instead of a flight school. They cost 200 bucks or so.
@@flywiththeguys With the costs of going from Day 1 to Career being so high, would it be better to buy a Cessna 150 and try to find an instructor to help you get your certificates, or would you be better off going through flight school and hopefully get placed in a job?
@@Lunchboxicus Mmmph.... Thats a hard question to answer. Watch this - ruclips.net/video/nT6bLVvrNC4/видео.html
Awesome video, well presented. For me, King Schools at a designated Cessna Pilot Center. KGEU (Glendale Arizona). They are gone now, but KDVT (Deer Valley Airport / Phoenix, AZ) has one. Licensed in 2001. Well under 65 hours, and at that time I was right at $6000. LOVE THE CESSNA 172 SP !!!! - Also certified in the all glass cockpit (Garmin G1000) - but really prefer the old "Steam Gauges"...
Again, Well done.
Excellent presentation on the cost of a PPC! You provided some excellent tips to reduce the cost and to get the maximum benefit.
How times change! I went to American Flyers in Ardmore, OK. I was trained from January through July. Total cost including room and board was $6,000. I graduated with a commercial license and instrument rating ...oh, and the year was 1966.
Yea.... Thats roughly 47K in today's money. If you got a commercial certificate, insturment, and PPL, that's a STEAL In my option. At a flight school today, you can only pick two of those for roughly the same money. Check this out.... atpflightschool.com/become-a-pilot/flight-training/pilot-training-cost.html
I’m planning to become a pilot starting this summer
Great reference video and links! Thank you!
You’re welcome!
You neglected to mention how new pilots can make most of that money back with a few smuggling flights across the border. $15,000 is cheap, when you're learning how to move llallo, dude.
Don’t you own a college?
Haha
15K have super expensive, school scam customer if keep thats ower prize. 50% too high cost. normal ewerywer cost 7500-8000$ full all.
@@MattProductions2012 It's named for a family member. Not a direct ancestor, but related.
Got my license in the mid 70's and learned in a 150. I spend about 2 years - paid out of pocket and had several instructors which was a benefit. Total cost was about 4K and had about 70 hours before the check ride (mostly due to the start and stop) I did my ground school over a weekend course - which I recommend.
You can thank the AOPA for allowing the demise of general aviation. They failed to object to the litigation against Cessna that caused Cessna ( Piper and others) to discontinue production of general aviation aircraft. BTW, I worked for a flight school that had over 100 150's on three flight lines...There are still flight instructors of my generation that won't take lawyers as students. Check the litigation out for yourself...then you'll understand.
Lol, thank god nobody cared in my flight school.
Exactly correct. AOPA only touts aviation for the million dollar clubbers now. It’s a crying shame.
Oh I missed flying. I got my PPL back in 1997. Took my oral and flight test at Van Nuys airport. Learning to fly was an experience on its own I'll tell you.
yopparaiiii Grew up in southern ca. Learned to fly in the Midwest. Could not imagine learning in that crazy airspace.
You’re missing the medical exam
Jasser Sued 125$
Ah yes, the medical.
I was about to lose my type III with an A1C too close to 8 for comfort. I was 195 lbs, and had to get it down. I put myself on a diet, nothing white and smaller portions. Took me just over 1 year to lose down to 170 lbs, then now to 165. I feel better, and my A1C is 6.5. I learned one thing, whatever you really, REALLY want, you can obtain, IF you really want it! That's the secret. Not because my wife wanted me to lose the weight, or for any health problem. It was totally that no one was going to take my license away from me because of weight, so I lost it! If you really want something, really want it, you can get it, IF you have a real and personal reason.
I always wondered at what point does the medical exam actually take place. Imagine spending all that money and then being denied because of the medical.
Back in the 80's I was able to take ground school at a local community college for just a few bucks registration. The instructor was clearly there because of his passion for flying, and I learned so much more that simply how to pass a test. He also arranged for an examiner to give the test for those who wanted to take it for just the FAA fee, I think it was $40 or so at the time. There was even a "field trip" to visit the LAX control tower. The whole class was an awesome experience, but I don't know if such programs still exist.
I was really tempted but ultimately decided it was too expensive, but have fed my addiction to airtime by flying paragliders for the last 30 years...
Glad you did something. I always wished I could go flying. Took my son to the airport for a boy scout thing and it changed me. Now were here!
Wow, I was really excited about learning to fly and getting my license, but after your video, screw that.
Right i was like forget my cdl let me get my pilot license.....😑
It's worth it tho
I'm from the other side of the big pond, might be interesting to have a Europeans perspective too (Belgium to be more specific).
I'll start off by saying that since European fuel prices are way higher (we (very roughly) pay per liter what Americans pay per gallon) which does affect the rental costs of the planes.
You need 45 hours instead of 40 though before you can take the checkride, the average of 65 hours still counts.
I started my training about 3 years ago at a local club and did most of my flying in a 1970-something cessna 150. And even though they try their damnest to keep prices down they still ask €118/hr for it and €150/hr for their 1998 cessna 172.
So cost breakdown is a bit like this:
- club membership (yearly): €220
- books/materials: €200
- protractor/navigation computer/charts/...: €100
- headset: €300
- medical (class 2): ~€400
- English skill-test: €150
practical part:
- instructor: €45/hr * 65 hours = €2925
- plane: €118/hr * 65 hours= €7670
- checkride (2 hours of engine time + examinor): €600
- myriad of administrative costs (getting your logbook, getting your license, ...): €150
honorable mention:
- landing fees: varying from €5 to €85 (for "international" airports) per landing, I've yet to encounter an airport that doesn't ask at least €5 for landing, even small grass strips.
Grand total: €12 715(excluding landing fees)
Which is in-line with the average cost my club uses when people ask how much it costs to learn how to fly.
I've also yet to find a club that can do it cheaper while still maintaining quality. Though most other clubs I know use newer planes which immediately increases rental prices towards the €200/hr mark.
If you go through an actual flightschool you can take the above total and multiply that by 2, at the minimum, but as mentioned in the video it does come with advantages (more planes, more instructors, better infrastructure to name a few).
As a CFI I can say these figures are sky high. Why rent a C172 when all you want to do is get your license, a C150/152 is more than enough. I would say 8 to 10k should cover it all.
Hi Hugh, since you are a CFI, I have a question. if you are only required to have 40 hours of training why is the average 65 hours to get your license? Does that mean the students are not applying themselves to the task at hand or are the CFI's to blame?
@@jamespotter936 Students vary greatly. Some, because of the cost, spread out the process. Others are not as proficient. Very few complete in 40 hours. It also depends on the airport, a large airport with a tower will take much longer because so much time is spent on the ground.
Hugh Campbell I second this. I switched schools to a non-towered airport for this reason as well as cheaper rates on plane and CFI. Less traffic at smaller airport and/or no ATC means less time waiting on the ground.
I did that while I had access to a small instructor. After he left for bigger and better things, I was left with a heavier instructor and the bill from a C172.
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Thanks for the info Guys!
Our pleasure!
In Hungary, where I currently live it costs *ONLY* *$25,843* to go from *0 knowledge* to an *ATPL* license! *PPL* only costs just under *$6,000*! I'm so blessed!
Wow so cheap!!!! When do you get your ATPL license?
@@呈呈-c1q maybe ill get it in about 5 years due to university
woow really cheap
In Eastern Europe it's much cheaper, however, don't forget, you license will be under EASA rules.
@@ian1064 I new people who studied in Czech Republic. It depends, what do you plan to do after. Do you want to do it for fun, or you have any career plans? Ultimately, always check the school reputation.
Great no BS video of the expected cost of flight training. In 2006 it cost me 16,000.00 to get my helo PPL in a Schweitzer. Did the check ride at 60 hours, part 61 school. Did all the ground school on my own pretty much. The same PPl would probably cost about 25,000.00 today.
Very interesting video, also need to build in the yearly cost of a medical in the UK. I think the cost per hour
Is very reasonable so long as you are careful on the price structure - where I fly you only pay for the time in the aircraft/air… 10 minutes on the ground before, all the time in the air and 5 minutes on the ground afterwards, great value. On ground school ‘a book or two’ was an underestimate for me as I ended up with about 7 manuals on different t elements and a similar number of practice test books…… I anticipate about £10,000 - £12,000 overall in the UK estimate 2022…..still only on lesson 6 so a way to go yet.
In Romania, western Europe, if you are under 22 yo, it's all covered by government
Thats awesome if your a 20 yr old Romanian. But for the 4 billion of us on earth who arent 20 yr old Romanians your comment is pointless and the information contained within it Useless.
How lucky bro
Gorilla Cookies 4 billion...? More like 7+ billion wtf
@@WoodyIsAwesome54356 No, didn't you know? Almost half of the world's population is actually 20 year old Romanians
I trained back in the day. Most of it in a 152. I never liked the 172. Of course, I did spins in the 152. Can't do that in a 172. When I soloed after 12 hours, never talked to anyone until I did the three circuits. Things were looser then. A lot has changed. I got a Cherokee Arrow 200 after 85 hours and several 1000s of hours later, still fly that plane. Love the aviation community. It's been a great adventure!
Awesome story! Thank you for sharing.
Pilot license.8000 big rip off
6 yr ago 3500 .
Airline shortages meaning CFI's time is far more expensive along with value of planes. For those looking for aviation career, it's nothing compared to what they can be making now.
Excellent video, straight to the point.
@ 6:40 we cut to the chase.
In Romania its free from 16 to 23yo. if you want to pay for it its about less than 5000$
My friend from Romania says this may not be accurate. It would be awesome though. I love flying for free!
@@flywiththeguys aeroclubulromaniei.ro/articol/informatii-referitoare-la-cursurile-care-se-vor-desfasura-in-anul-2019 give this link to your friend ( this link is contains informations about free flying courses in 2019) also this link aeroclubulromaniei.ro/page/scau-cursuri-oferite (price list for flying courses if you don't qualify for the free ones) I am from Romania and i took the courses for skydiving and those for gliders when i was 17yo.
@@flywiththeguys Wish you a clear sky!
Thank you man I used to think it was more expensive than that 👍👍
No problem. Glad I could help.
I got my license in early 1984 after another pilot/instructor accident and with second instructor. Get the best you can afford or you might pay more later. You must commit to it 100% !
i am a student pilot very close to my check ride ,there is a lot of advertise for less then half .i have seeing add from $4500-$6500 its not A true number its base on FAA minimum require . These Are the real realistic Numbers.
Most courses today for truck driving is about $6,500 so not much difference in price. Am thinking about getting into flying now. 21 years on the road and when i have taken flight on vacation i love the thought of seeing all the traffic jams and not being stuck in them. lol
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Thanks, I'll walk.
Excellent video Brother
Thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed it. =)
350 for a ps4 console and 60 for the game
And this is comparable to real flying how?
@@truecp5 r/wooosh
@@KMI_7-l6l wasnt even a funny meme 9 year old, go back to watching meme review and stay the fuck outta the air pls
TrueCP5 I think he was doing comedy.
@@bigshrimp6458 iam not 9, Do you really think a Person enjoying Reddit would be 9?
Thank you for the great information!
Glad you enjoyed it! And, you're welcome.
Oh, 750.00 in 1970 dollars is 4738.00 in 2017 dollars. So see if you can figure out why a PPL costs about 15 grand today. Have fun. By the way I got my BA in Economics.
It's called highway robbery. Just sayin
Michael Harding airway robbery
Good point, but the BA in Economics fact is pretty random. Do you mean to say you got your PPL while doing your BA?
@@sliderBro No; he feels the need to prove he is smart and qualified to ask the question. It will further inflate his sense of pride when you miss the question or when you get it right he gives a condescending "pat on the back" but still making sure you know his knowledge is supreme because he knew the answer first.
Statements such as these come from people who have narcissistic traits. It throws you off at first but you need to know that he cares nothing of anyones answer only that he knows you saw it was he who asked the question.
You had to go to school to learn how to use an inflation calculator?
Hi and happy new year is the first video I see from you guys and is very good 👍🏻👍🏻
Jim, if you would include the temperature in the introduction of your videos, I think your viewer would find that of value.
Am I the only one laughing outloud also need the dewpoint and wind direction and speed
Got my pilot license in a cesna 150. One of my dilemmas is when banking often times you either over or under shoot your bank angle. Same with dive and climb. I thought boy do I wish the yoke shaft had some kind of notches which click and locks so you know how many clicks. I am not the worst. During instrument training, a bloke from the Air Force nose deep dive the simulator. I had the nerves to maintain my attitude even in a simulator difficult to handle.
Me: My dream of becomine a pilot: over $12000
also me: $59.99 for x-plane 11 for Mac. That’s real enough.
I fly in both. =)
hahaha
$8,125? Well, I’m already out. Damnit I’m broke.
You dont pay it all up front.
In Montreal (Lachute Airport) it cost $8550 + tx in CAD! Pretty good price and school is close to my home which is pretty good if I want to save every quarter for fuel and other costs! Cessna 152
Nikolai Niko i also live in montreal bro i am also planning to make my pilot license what u say what should i do
VERY helpful. I don't think the background music is helpful, though. The important information deserves to be the entire focus. And the background "music" is just noise, (am I on hold?) distracting from what is a quite professional presentation.
80’s porn music
Im doing a bachelor's program for aviation through Liberty online and to be honest I really like how its laid out. Since financing is most peoples block from going into flight training (like myself) it gave me the option to do student loans to pay for it rather than out of pocket (which can cost you more in the long run because your lessons are so infrequent that you lose what you learn inbetween so you need closer to 65 hours instead of 40). I did my private through liberty and a partnered flight school and it cost me $9,000 for the course on a student loan and I dropped about $1000 for materials (Ipad, headset, logbooks, additional study materials) so all in all it cost me about 10,000 dollars but Im able to spread out the cost at least.
Thanks for sharing that. You’re not wrong, you save a lot of money if you complete it in 40 hours. But your comment gave me an idea for another video on how to pay for your flight training. Thanks!
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Easy. It costs way too damn much
They should let anybody Fly the bad ones will get sorted out.
Michael Harding - I had a Great Paying Job when I learned to fly! I was doing Concrete Construction, Form Work, excavation, drilling & installation of ReBar, etc, and had a good amount of "Overtime" @ Time and a Half pay: I still calculated 4 Hours overtime, for 1 hour flying, in the Late '70's! Today, it seems, localy, the ratio is increased to about 5+ hours Overtime!
Flying was never "Cheap", but Electric Flight is beginning, and that can make it Less Expensive, if it all works out!
Agree 100% with everything here! Only thing i would add is an ipad and foreflight subscription. I mean clearly you dont NEED these, but nowadays it is silly to not do this if you can afford the extra few hundred dollars given the capabilities offered.
Agree, the ipad and foreflight is an excellent investment and a great safety tool.
How old is considered too old to get your pilot's license by either a school or private instructor?
Well, that depends on what you want to do with it. Theres no real age limit, you just have to be able to maintain a medical certificate. But, if you wanted to make a career switch it may be impractical the older you get. BUT, I know some people who have gotten commercial pilot license at 55 and started instructing. If you want to fly for pleasure, then you're never too old! It just comes down to keeping that medical up to date.
I really like how you explained everything in the video!!!
Thank you! Its just one of those questions that is never answered well. People usually just quote what it cost them or the numbers based on the minimum hours. But, everyone is different in how they learn so going with averages for costs is a lot better.
Holy cow, I'm glad I learned to fly when I did. I got all of my ratings for around $10,000. That's private & commercial with instrument rating, and later multiengine rating. I also picked up a CFI. When I got done with all that, there were no jobs to be had. Now I read that there's a pilot shortage. My story and how much it cost gives my age away!
i got all mine minus the cfi in 84/85 for roughly 12k in four year old 172s..a 182Rg and a '81 310R...take into consideration the rate of inflation for a basic ppl..this guys figures are spot on
Finished my commercial in April with 500 hours had a offer from 4 airlines within the next week the shortage is real and they are looking
In total 52k after everything
+Christopher Torres ...good luck in your career ...one of my son in laws flies left seat for a regional carrier...next yr he moves up to right seat in the majors in a airbus..hang in there
@@mattf49006 thanks buddy I'm currently a First officer for silver airways based in orlando fl with a direct path to frontier or jetblue after 1000 hours with silver
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I'm extremely lucky as I am a native Alaskan that was raised by upper class parents, I don't act rich, I'm only 17 and I drive a $2500 car and I do almost everything on my own. I am lucky as my tribes corporation will Sponcer me with room and board, the school I'm going to begin attending in the next 5 months will accept me at all expenses paid. The reason I have this opportunity is because there aren't too many native pilots and they would like me for the democratic, I am motivated and ready to fly!!
that is cool
Wow. Must be a great school. Would you care to share the school name. Any school willing to do that must be worth checking out.
I spent about $500.00 - for everything - of course that was in 1963 when I was in the Marines in Los Alamitos, CA. I haven't flown for years - and probably will never again, but it was fun. Of course, in 1963 - $500 (for a Marine Corporal) was a lot of money. I was in Flight Operations, working with pilots and charts, so I never had to go to Flight School. I've always felt better when flying with someone else.