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Nothing on streaming now is guaranteed to be streaming tomorrow As for whether Netflix or Spotify or Kindle will even exist in a decade? But my DVDs, blurays, vinyls, CDs, paperbacks and comics *will*
Well all I can say is I will support physical media until the day I die, yes its a pain in the neck storing it sometimes, however, once you have bought it, that's it, no more outlay. Also they can't decide to censor your copy because someone somewhere decides to become offended by it, and as pointed out, just because it is online now, doesn't mean it will so forever.
Great points all! Thank you. And yes, I like vinyl too. Although for some reason, lately, I've got more into CDs. 🤔 Buying an album digitally doesn't feel like truly buying an album.
I will never stop buying physical media. I love my video library and having a plethora of dvds etc at my fingertips at any time without relying on streaming ❤
@@dddayesq5061A true, funnny but slightly off-topic story I was in a charity shop around 15 years. A bloke came in with about three boxes of DVDs. Quite large boxes. He tried to donate them, but the volunteer, 80 if she was a day, said that DVDs were too old hat now and they were only interested in VHS tapes, since those those were modern modern 😅😅😅
Thank you for the video Jason. I enjoy physical media for the extras, easter eggs and just having it to watch when I want to without ads. An added bonus is having it when it is no longer available to stream or see on television on a regular basis.
You're so welcome as always! Always great to hear from you. And yes, extras are a huge added incentive, aren't they. I'm kinda amazed that streamers have yet to even try and compete with that stuff. Probably because of the contracts they have with production houses. 🤔
Physical media matters! I think people are slowly working that out too, regardless what the major players try and force upon us. 8500+ DVDs and Blu-rays in my mancave, plus still a few hundred VHS, VCD and laserdisc.
I agree. I think as people get a bit older and find their favourite films, box sets, music, authors, whatever are not necessarily flavour of the month anymore and the world has moved onto the next thing, and as they start to learn more about what types of whatever they are into, it begins to dawn on them that it’s not, in fact, all on Netflix, Spotify and Kindle
I'm the same way. Don't trust steaming services. I buy physical media and keep it around. Tired of getting halfway through a series and then finding out they are taking off streaming😊
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Streaming services removing their shows and movies at any random time is EXACTLY why I try to get any physical dvd and bluray of my shows and movies whenever I can; 'cause you NEVER know how long it's gonna be on the streaming! And it drives me nuts that some movies don't get a physical edition while others do! But I've found that there's also a downside to physical releases: some shows that release on streaming still haven't completely released onto physical media! There's currently two shows I like on Netflix that still haven't physically released their final two seasons onto dvd! This is crazy to me, especially given my earlier statement of "they can be removed at ANY TIME"!
Yes, that kind of stuff is pretty stressful. I'm kinda surprised Netflix releases any DVDs at all! But I can see why it's a concern, waiting to see if they'll be consistent and release the whole thing. 👀
Are they made by different companies, those shows? Perhaps that could be the issue. But I know what you mean - since they share the same world, it would be great to have one set. ☺👊
And remember you can't get downloads autographed. Great video incidentally. Well presented, concise and to the point. And no very amateur dramatics. I was very surprised the HMV store you went to had the Beneath the surface box set on the shelves. Babe seen it available for sale in Australia for years.
Hey there Paul! Great point about autographs. I feel like there's a video to be made about the advantages of physical media, right? 🤔 Thanks for your kind words on the video! And yes, I do feel a tad mean for saying HMV had cut back on their Who DVDs - but a year or two ago they seemed to have everything! 😆 Do you have the Beginning box set yourself?
Yes, that is an excellent point you've raised. My copy of the boxset is signed by some of the cast and by the original director Waris Hussein. So then I should assume that it's now priceless given what is going on in terms of legality.
I greatly prefer physical media. I have a wall of DVDs/blurays and another wall of vinyl, and players, and I find it better than streaming because it can’t be remotely deleted and you don’t have dozens of different apps. It’s less messing about. Plus you can get stuff that’s out of circulation I mean, obviously it does cost more and requires space, it’s just that, to me - that’s worth it!
Hey there Samantha! You're quite right - very worth it indeed. I very rarely stream TV and films on a train or something like that, even though I technically can! Not sure why.
I’m going to mention that The Beginning boxset is one of the best boxsets ever done for the DVD range. It was produced on a tight budget and produced something magical (totally in keeping with the spirit of Doctor Who)
Honestly it's atrocious when this kind of stuff happens to any kind of show. It's very similar to how the collection box set started out, season 12 was being sold for hundreds as well as season 19. Great video Jason, I'll be watching my beginning dvd box set that I only paid £11 for last Christmas 😅
Thank you very much for the kind words! And well done for buying The Beginning at exactly the right time. 😊👊 Do you have many other classic Who DVDs in your collection?
@@jarnopp Yeah it's a low budget collection with a few blu rays and dvds scattered from all the eras, to be honest if they keep the classic stories on BBC iPlayer I might just keep the collection the way it is
Do you mean, were the Standard editions of the Collection sets mentioned upfront? No, I don't think they've even been thought of when Season 12 landed... :)
I think I've had a similar instinct. I junked all of my VHS tapes a few years ago but kept all of the sleeves in a folder as they're lovely pieces of art and a great reminder of my childhood - that was virtually every VHS release and I have a similar but not quite as complete collection on DVD. I've junked all the DVD boxes but kept the discs and sleeves. And I've been buying the blu-rays (where I can afford them!)... there is something about knowing you have a failsafe way of seeing them. Though I can well imagine the Classic series and early NewWho will be upscaled with AI soon... and I'll probably have difficulty resisting those :/
I still have my offer VHS of that story from the five faces of Dr Who in 1981. The credits have been cut out apart from the beginning of episode one, and the end of part four, but surprisingly still playable. Recorded on a Ferguson video star.
Glad I have The Beginning boxset, which was actually the first Doctor Who DVD I ever brought. Even before I brought any of the New Who DVD or Blu-ray sets. I have all Classic Whos on DVD as well as Blu-rays of animated recreations of lost episodes. Been debating whether or not to buy the Classic Who Blu-ray sets too cuz of space.
Hey there Andrew! How fitting that The Beginning was your first Who DVD set! Very cool. I'm starting to think I might try and collect all the DVDs now, although I need to figure out which ones I don't have... 🤔
Yeah I ran into this problem awhile back while collection doctor who DVD and blu rays. It helps to have an all region player. When I was trying to buy the episode " The War Games" that was over priced here in the US. So I bought the UK DVD.
Digital media want you to pay for the product again and again. Physical media is one off payment and you can watch or listen as many times as you want.
@@jarnoppdisc rot is a massively overstated problem tbh. It does happen but people who are anti physical media make it out to be a vastly more significant issue than it actually is
Interesting video Jason, I also buy and keep most physical media, I have all of the classic era Dr Who DVD’s including ‘The Beginning’ DVD set and the AUC VHS (signed by William Russell 😀) A few thoughts on physical media vs streaming. Sadly in the future I expect the bulk of media content to be online only with a separate market for collectable releases to satisfy fan demand in limited numbers. For streaming services I would expect the following to apply; 1. Not everything will be available. 2. Everything that is made available will only ever be ‘perennial’ and removed at the whim of the steaming provider. 3. Anything considered ‘Classic’ will also be considered problematic, leading to wide spread editing of older content, removing perceived offensive lines/scenes and that new trend of blurring certain visuals, horrible 😖 Long live physical media! Sent from my iPad
I have all of the first six doctors on DVD, and a few Blu Rays of animated versions of lost stories (and Spearhead From Space). I'm not too bothered about upgrading existing DVDs to Blu Ray because I'm not sure how much they can improve episodes broadcast on 405 lines :) But the reason I have them (and I'm not a big collector) is precisely so that no-one can withdraw them, or put them behind a paywall.
I hear you! Absolutely. And I have to confess that I've barely noticed any improvement in picture for classic Who between DVD and Blu. But then, I'm not exactly much of a cinephile in that way. :) Thanks so much for watching and commenting! I'm guessing you have The Beginning box set? ☺👊
@@jarnopp Yes, I bought it a few years ago. I used to watch Classic Doctor in order every few years and plug gaps in my collection. At this stage, I have most of them.
I've had The Beginnings box set for about a decade now, picked it up cheap and second hand from somewhere on holiday in the original packaging made of tough cardboard so it's nice to have it with everything going on. Physical media isn't a priority for me these days. However, if it's something I really like, like sitcoms or Doctor Who, then I will invest in a DVD or Blu-ray copy as it's nice to own something like that from time to time.
Hey there DV! So, wait... the packaging of The Beginning used to be thicker? That's interesting. 🤔 And I can totally understand your policy - a nice middle ground of only owning select items. 👊
5:00 I know it sounds stupid, since it obviously costs Disney nothing to simply host the show, but I'm guessing as a modern production it's subject to a lot of residuals. And the fact that they decided to pull it, despite that you would think that low ratings (which they can definitely see themselves even if we can't) would simply mean them having to pay less in residuals, would suggest the residuals aren't tied to the actual audience numbers.
I've got VHS, Betamax, laserdiscs, DVD's and Blu Rays, and they aren't going anywhere! Getting everything online takes all the control out of your hands. Physical media 4 ever!
In the town where i live, I can no longer buy DVDs, CDs or games anywhere, not even at the 3 big supermarkets. I always prefer physical, especially for the very reasons you outline. Same for books and comics. I actually don’t like reading books digitally, it never feels right. I’ve got like a small library at home along with a huge range of music on various physical media 😊
Wow that's really sad. So they don't even sell the current films released on dvd? I prefer physical. I struggle with digital books I either get a headache or fall asleep - yet I don't have this issue with physical books.
@@Mark-nh2hs That’s right, they no longer sell ANY physical digital media. First, it was my local Sainsburys during the pandemic in 2021, then Smiths and Tesco’s followed. Our local Lidl never sold digital media. The other nearest towns that sell physical media are 25-35 minutes away by car and much longer by bus. I don’t have a car. Our first bookshop in years opened last week. Our Smiths sell some books, Sainsbury’s even less so it’s amazing we’ve now got a new proper bookshop
Streaming stuff is all very well and groovy until the rights to something vanish, or the streaming service closes down, or someone decides that the content is no longer appropriate and the original gets edited.
I’ve been selling my old VHS’s on eBay for ages. I always ask £12.99 for singles or doubles as for me they more or less redundant. In fact, when Jason was scrolling past the eBay listings in the video, there was my listing for the an unearthly child tape. It sold all last week!
I still have all my old Dr Who VHS and was always surprised at how little they sell for. As you would think it would rocket like other media. I always find it interesting.
@@Mark-nh2hs Ah yes, it's a very different story with VHS released prior to 1986! And it really is about time I made videos about that. :) Thanks for the reminder!
Wow, imagine if that actually happened. Or of course, we could also pop in a future Blu if it ever became possible! Fingers crossed that none of this happens! 👀
@@jarnoppactually I don't have it as I wasn't a fan of the first Doctor but as I got older I've started to appreciate his story's more and filling up my limited First Doctor dvds. I've seen UC apart from the first episode the rest I found boring. I think it's that first episode and the pilot are the important parts the rest you can skip straight to The Daleks lol.
Is that the HyperX QuadCast you're using there? Your audio sounds off, which may be due to the polar pattern you have it set on as well as speaking into the top rather than the side. Cheers👍
Hey there Joe! I love this kind of feedback, because audio is a weak spot for me. In this particular video, I actually only used the HyperX during the Amazon-exploring segment of this video! But I will use it exclusively soon and so your thoughts are very useful. In this video I mostly used the Rode VideoMicro mic attached to my Sony zv-1. I feel like it sounds overly bassy at times - is that what you were thinking?
@@jarnopp Oh, ok, it looked like you were using the HyperX in the video so I wondered why the top was pointed to your mouth when it's a side address microphone, which would account for the audio sounding more thin, but that was due to the mic on the camera. The closer you can get the mic to your mouth the better. Cheers
Good steer, thanks. Another commenter noted that CEX are keeping the buying prices for The Beginning consistent, suggesting that they know the current situation is a mere spike. We'll see!
i only bought the dvd set about 2 months ago (getting back into Who, mostly because of those 3 cheap The Collection sets last Christmas), and paid the princely sum of £6.99 for it. I have been getting a lot of grief from friends about my attachment to physical media - but this happens all the time. Those albums you think you have bought on the Apple ITunes Store? Well I have lost numerous albums I thought I had paid for when Apple's licencing ran out for the albums in question. I get the immediacy of streaming services... but nothing beats actually having a physical release. Even my Big Finish audios that I have bought as download only - shuffled off to a hard disc (and backed up to a cloud platform)
I can only agree Stephen. I think I probably still haven't recovered from iPad apps that just casually stopped working. 😆 Glad to hear you picked up The Beginning just at the right time! 😯
I think all Doctor Who collectors want a physical Dvd or Blu-ray just like the early days when buying the videos. A collection wouldn't be the same without it! I still have all my Videos, Dvds, Blu-rays and even some of the German media books and definitely wouldn't part with them.
@@jarnopp The dr who restoration team........that Hartnell box set you hold up in the video is a restoration dvd, as The Daleks had new footage made for it of the dalek ships and London. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_Restoration_Team
PHYSICAL MEDIA RULES AND ROCKS!! I have 10 streaming platforms I pay for (and maybe another 5 free services), so I’m certainly a big user of streaming services. However, I’m often frustrated that what I want to watch, what I feel like watching at any given moment, very likely won’t be on any of those streaming platforms. So of course I have shelves of physical media. But it’s not even just about access to the recording. Physical media is nice to own, physical media is cosy. Physical media tells people who glance at your shelves what you think is important.
Great stuff, Jason. And that's a great point - there is no digital equivalent of DISPLAY SHELVES. 🤔🤔 feels like that's an app waiting to happen in itself! 👊
Remember buying that in HMV (or maybe it was Who Shop International) when first released. Still have the DVDs, no longer have the box, I always ruthlessly chucked them to match up with the other loose DVDs in my collection 🙂
@@jarnopp I have everything available in Canada since the VHS releases! (I gave most of the tapes to friends when I upgraded to DVD). Not sure what I'll do with my DVDs now that I'm getting the Blu-rays... I'm also looking at picking up the UK standard editions on Season 2 and 22 for the music not available in the Region A releases.
@@jarnopp Outside of the UK, the Beatles clip in The Chase on the Season 2 set has been removed and in Revelation of the Daleks on Season 22 the Hendrix track has been replaced as rights to include those outside the UK is much more complicated and costly. We didn't get the one feature on the Season 12 set with clips from other BBC shows either, so I might look into picking up that set too.
You just can't beat physical media. I just don't understand how most people can value convenience over all of the benefits of PM. Is getting up off your chair to pop in a disc really that bad? Lol.
Yeah, it's not good when it's going fo 10x the original price. That prices people out. It won't being long before the dealer/spectators get involved and artificially inflate prices. It will hurt the hobby. If you don't believe me, they already got people shelling out more for a movie for covers and steel that has little to do with the movie and contributes nothing. I have been in this game for a long time and it's odd how gullible people are. The comics business did it with multiple covers and premium covers and sports cards created a variety of gimmicks that had not intristic value in the cardboard to begin with other than creating artificial scarcity. Sadly, I already see this gullibility with film collectors.
@@jarnopp You know, I actually might. I have so many boxes of DVDs and I need to go through them. I could have sworn I did get it at a thrift store and I remember watching the first two episodes, I am just not in the mood to dig through them. At those collector prices, I hope I was smart enough to grab it. But I really do fear the speculators getting involved. In the 90s, I was a guitar tech and when I wasn't on the road, I ran comics shops for friends and got paid to appraise collections. I saw the transition from it being a collector's market to a collectibles market When the speculator/investor types came in, I knew the boom would end fairly soon after that. While it helped sales, I think it did a lot of damage to the industry. It became more about gimmick and less about the story and art and then, the story and art became gimmicky (Marvel Zombies?! Really?!). I keep my finger on the pulse and the multiple of covers and the lack of one shot storylines just proved my point even further. I foresaw the issues comics faced with what I saw when I was into sports card collecting. I see that same cancer in film. As it becomes more of a niche market, that will create a perception of investment potential. We are already seeing film take a backseat to format, special cases, premiums and others gimmicks. For someone with my experience, those are bad signs. I am also seeing this "high brow" mentality where people lack status because they own a bluray instead of the 4K. It's another phony mentality. As I note to some of these "high brow" types. I actually know people who work in the industry and they don't have this mentality. They just enjoy watching the film any way they can. But collectors are prone to spurious ideas of "status" and value. It's low hanging fruit to think you've earned some sort of status because you threw money at a purchase. If you are impressed because someone spent gobs of money of something they could have got for $15, just to get a poster, steelbook and postcards, you are enabling something bad. But you can't convince others. But those who know the history of card, comic and video game collecting, we know what lies in the future. .
It's a very strange situation to say the least, it doesn't really affect me since I got the beginnings set back in 2019. I find it pretty funny how a single dvd can go up in value if there is legal trouble with it.
2:14 nice to see the key to time box is still avaliable. I had to de-case my collection when it got too big to fit on shelves 😢 15 years later I regret it 😅
Yes, I must admit, even though I point out that HMV has reduced its stock, there's still a fair bit there! A couple of years ago, though, they seemed to have every DVD release! So do you still have all your Who DVDs, boxes aside? :)
I've been thinking about physical media a lot lately. I think even the studios were better off with the old physical media model, as they all seem to be struggling to make bank from streaming and the entire industry is on strike over p**s poor residuals. PS: update on my Whoniverse odyssey. I've been barrelling through the first two doctors and am now up to Pertwee, Spearhead From Space.
@@jarnopp I don't have anywhere near the DVDs I used to have and I didn't keep any VHS. Kids and house moves and all that stuff took a toll on my stash. I wish I'd collected Doctor Who stuff now, but back in the day I spent all my money on guitar pedals. Never quite made it as a rock star but there we go. We do have all the New Who box sets, as my daughter is a huge fan, and, as I never tire of saying, I've got all the Red Dwarfs.
i have bought over 60 classic who DVDs (all in excellent condition) for a total of £130. My secret .... being patient and getting bargains on marketplace. i will not get rid of the classic who DVDs nor will i pay obscene prices for the Blu-ray sets.
Hey there Kathy! Great to hear your policy re the DVDs (and indeed the Blu-rays). 60 for £130 is indeed wonderful! What seems to be the rarest of the classic Who DVDs, do you think? 🤔
@@jarnopp I do have the beginnings box set. Mostly, people are offloading DVDs which are now released in the Blu-ray sets. As for myself, the ones I'm tracking down that are, up to now, eluding me are The Keys Of Marinus, The Daemons, The Revenge Of The Cybermen, Four To Doomsday and Ghost Light.
@@kathygarry9717 cheers Kathy. I'm keeping my DVDs too. Part of the reason is that it seems hard to keep track of whether any DVD extras have not migrated to the Blu-rays!
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I have never stopped collecting physical media, and will continue to do so for as long as it is available.
That's the spirit! Yeah, despite the convenience of digital, you really can't beat physical Stuff. Do you have many Doctor Who DVDs?
Got most of the classic era on DVD and I'm buying the Blu Ray releases of them as they, slowly, come out.
Nothing on streaming now is guaranteed to be streaming tomorrow
As for whether Netflix or Spotify or Kindle will even exist in a decade?
But my DVDs, blurays, vinyls, CDs, paperbacks and comics *will*
Well all I can say is I will support physical media until the day I die, yes its a pain in the neck storing it sometimes, however, once you have bought it, that's it, no more outlay. Also they can't decide to censor your copy because someone somewhere decides to become offended by it, and as pointed out, just because it is online now, doesn't mean it will so forever.
Great points all! Thank you. And yes, I like vinyl too. Although for some reason, lately, I've got more into CDs. 🤔 Buying an album digitally doesn't feel like truly buying an album.
I will never stop buying physical media. I love my video library and having a plethora of dvds etc at my fingertips at any time without relying on streaming ❤
Love that, Barry! 😊😊👊👊
@@dddayesq5061A true, funnny but slightly off-topic story
I was in a charity shop around 15 years. A bloke came in with about three boxes of DVDs. Quite large boxes.
He tried to donate them, but the volunteer, 80 if she was a day, said that DVDs were too old hat now and they were only interested in VHS tapes, since those those were modern modern 😅😅😅
Haha! This lady sounds like she may have been a tad confused. 😆
Thank you for the video Jason. I enjoy physical media for the extras, easter eggs and just having it to watch when I want to without ads. An added bonus is having it when it is no longer available to stream or see on television on a regular basis.
You're so welcome as always! Always great to hear from you. And yes, extras are a huge added incentive, aren't they. I'm kinda amazed that streamers have yet to even try and compete with that stuff. Probably because of the contracts they have with production houses. 🤔
Physical media matters! I think people are slowly working that out too, regardless what the major players try and force upon us. 8500+ DVDs and Blu-rays in my mancave, plus still a few hundred VHS, VCD and laserdisc.
Wow, EA! Those are impressive stats, right there. I salute you! 🫡
@@jarnopp it keeps me busy when the Internet goes down, that's for sure!
@ExplosiveAction Well, that's the thing isn't it. We may need electricity with physical media, but we sure don't need the Internet. 👊
I agree. I think as people get a bit older and find their favourite films, box sets, music, authors, whatever are not necessarily flavour of the month anymore and the world has moved onto the next thing, and as they start to learn more about what types of whatever they are into, it begins to dawn on them that it’s not, in fact, all on Netflix, Spotify and Kindle
That's another point, yes - there are still loads of movies that never even made it past the VHS stage...
I'm the same way. Don't trust steaming services. I buy physical media and keep it around. Tired of getting halfway through a series and then finding out they are taking off streaming😊
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Streaming services removing their shows and movies at any random time is EXACTLY why I try to get any physical dvd and bluray of my shows and movies whenever I can; 'cause you NEVER know how long it's gonna be on the streaming! And it drives me nuts that some movies don't get a physical edition while others do!
But I've found that there's also a downside to physical releases: some shows that release on streaming still haven't completely released onto physical media! There's currently two shows I like on Netflix that still haven't physically released their final two seasons onto dvd! This is crazy to me, especially given my earlier statement of "they can be removed at ANY TIME"!
Yes, that kind of stuff is pretty stressful. I'm kinda surprised Netflix releases any DVDs at all! But I can see why it's a concern, waiting to see if they'll be consistent and release the whole thing. 👀
Are they made by different companies, those shows? Perhaps that could be the issue. But I know what you mean - since they share the same world, it would be great to have one set. ☺👊
@@jarnopp I think Breaking Bad and Better Cal Saul were both made by American Movie Classics (AMC)
And remember you can't get downloads autographed.
Great video incidentally. Well presented, concise and to the point. And no very amateur dramatics.
I was very surprised the HMV store you went to had the Beneath the surface box set on the shelves.
Babe seen it available for sale in Australia for years.
Hey there Paul! Great point about autographs. I feel like there's a video to be made about the advantages of physical media, right? 🤔 Thanks for your kind words on the video! And yes, I do feel a tad mean for saying HMV had cut back on their Who DVDs - but a year or two ago they seemed to have everything! 😆 Do you have the Beginning box set yourself?
Yes, that is an excellent point you've raised. My copy of the boxset is signed by some of the cast and by the original director Waris Hussein. So then I should assume that it's now priceless given what is going on in terms of legality.
That does sound like an extra-special Beginning there, MM! ☺👊
I greatly prefer physical media. I have a wall of DVDs/blurays and another wall of vinyl, and players, and I find it better than streaming because it can’t be remotely deleted and you don’t have dozens of different apps. It’s less messing about. Plus you can get stuff that’s out of circulation
I mean, obviously it does cost more and requires space, it’s just that, to me - that’s worth it!
Hey there Samantha! You're quite right - very worth it indeed. I very rarely stream TV and films on a train or something like that, even though I technically can! Not sure why.
@@jarnopp I tend to stream music on trains. Often things I’m on the fence about purchasing
Yes, I go straight to Amazon Music on a train. It's a good service, especially for making and shuffling playlists.
I’m going to mention that The Beginning boxset is one of the best boxsets ever done for the DVD range. It was produced on a tight budget and produced something magical (totally in keeping with the spirit of Doctor Who)
Love it! 😊👊
Honestly it's atrocious when this kind of stuff happens to any kind of show. It's very similar to how the collection box set started out, season 12 was being sold for hundreds as well as season 19. Great video Jason, I'll be watching my beginning dvd box set that I only paid £11 for last Christmas 😅
Thank you very much for the kind words! And well done for buying The Beginning at exactly the right time. 😊👊 Do you have many other classic Who DVDs in your collection?
@@jarnopp Yeah it's a low budget collection with a few blu rays and dvds scattered from all the eras, to be honest if they keep the classic stories on BBC iPlayer I might just keep the collection the way it is
Do you mean, were the Standard editions of the Collection sets mentioned upfront? No, I don't think they've even been thought of when Season 12 landed... :)
I think I've had a similar instinct. I junked all of my VHS tapes a few years ago but kept all of the sleeves in a folder as they're lovely pieces of art and a great reminder of my childhood - that was virtually every VHS release and I have a similar but not quite as complete collection on DVD. I've junked all the DVD boxes but kept the discs and sleeves. And I've been buying the blu-rays (where I can afford them!)... there is something about knowing you have a failsafe way of seeing them. Though I can well imagine the Classic series and early NewWho will be upscaled with AI soon... and I'll probably have difficulty resisting those :/
Hey there! Oh God, I hadn't even thought about the possibilities of AI there. 😱☺👊
I still have my offer VHS of that story from the five faces of Dr Who in 1981. The credits have been cut out apart from the beginning of episode one, and the end of part four, but surprisingly still playable. Recorded on a Ferguson video star.
Oh, how cool! And how magical the words Ferguson Videostar are. :D
Glad I have The Beginning boxset, which was actually the first Doctor Who DVD I ever brought. Even before I brought any of the New Who DVD or Blu-ray sets. I have all Classic Whos on DVD as well as Blu-rays of animated recreations of lost episodes. Been debating whether or not to buy the Classic Who Blu-ray sets too cuz of space.
Hey there Andrew! How fitting that The Beginning was your first Who DVD set! Very cool. I'm starting to think I might try and collect all the DVDs now, although I need to figure out which ones I don't have... 🤔
Yeah I ran into this problem awhile back while collection doctor who DVD and blu rays. It helps to have an all region player. When I was trying to buy the episode " The War Games" that was over priced here in the US. So I bought the UK DVD.
Nice resourceful work! Yes, it seems there's always some kind of option in these situations. :)
Digital media want you to pay for the product again and again. Physical media is one off payment and you can watch or listen as many times as you want.
A true enough point! Physical is forever. Disc rot aside. 😊😆
@@jarnoppdisc rot is a massively overstated problem tbh. It does happen but people who are anti physical media make it out to be a vastly more significant issue than it actually is
Yes indeed Samantha - have to say I've never encountered it, although a friend of mine has recently. 🤔
Just got mine from HMV for £11.99 including shipping.
Wow! Was that from the HMV site, then? I didn't think to look there! 😊👊
@@jarnopp yep, it's on a order coming soon list. My guess is a month or so until they get them back and send them off.
Well played! :)
@@jarnoppI've got all the classic stories on DVD
@@peterwilliamskelhorn6675 That's brilliant - nice work Peter!
I had no idea it was so hard to get hold of. Lucky I've still got my copy!
Great work, David! 😊👊
Interesting video Jason, I also buy and keep most physical media, I have all of the classic era Dr Who DVD’s including ‘The Beginning’ DVD set and the AUC VHS (signed by William Russell 😀)
A few thoughts on physical media vs streaming. Sadly in the future I expect the bulk of media content to be online only with a separate market for collectable releases to satisfy fan demand in limited numbers.
For streaming services I would expect the following to apply;
1. Not everything will be available.
2. Everything that is made available will only ever be ‘perennial’ and removed at the whim of the steaming provider.
3. Anything considered ‘Classic’ will also be considered problematic, leading to wide spread editing of older content, removing perceived offensive lines/scenes and that new trend of blurring certain visuals, horrible 😖
Long live physical media!
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Thanks for your thoughts, Andy! And I'm glad you found the video interesting. ☺👊
I have all of the first six doctors on DVD, and a few Blu Rays of animated versions of lost stories (and Spearhead From Space). I'm not too bothered about upgrading existing DVDs to Blu Ray because I'm not sure how much they can improve episodes broadcast on 405 lines :)
But the reason I have them (and I'm not a big collector) is precisely so that no-one can withdraw them, or put them behind a paywall.
I hear you! Absolutely. And I have to confess that I've barely noticed any improvement in picture for classic Who between DVD and Blu. But then, I'm not exactly much of a cinephile in that way. :) Thanks so much for watching and commenting! I'm guessing you have The Beginning box set? ☺👊
@@jarnopp Yes, I bought it a few years ago. I used to watch Classic Doctor in order every few years and plug gaps in my collection. At this stage, I have most of them.
I've had The Beginnings box set for about a decade now, picked it up cheap and second hand from somewhere on holiday in the original packaging made of tough cardboard so it's nice to have it with everything going on. Physical media isn't a priority for me these days. However, if it's something I really like, like sitcoms or Doctor Who, then I will invest in a DVD or Blu-ray copy as it's nice to own something like that from time to time.
Hey there DV! So, wait... the packaging of The Beginning used to be thicker? That's interesting. 🤔 And I can totally understand your policy - a nice middle ground of only owning select items. 👊
Update : Amazon UK is selling The Beginning set for just £9.78 . This will not last long
Jesus! 😯
It's back on Amazon for a tenner thankfully. I assume those DVDs are still being printed?
Aha! I expect those ebay 'offers' will rapidly come back down in price. :) Hmm, I don't know if they'd still be printed or not! It's possible... ☺👊
I like my physical media. For as long as I live, I will still be collecting DVDs and blu-ray.
Way to go, BN! I'm pretty sure I will be too. :) So do you have The Beginning box set? 👊☺
5:00 I know it sounds stupid, since it obviously costs Disney nothing to simply host the show, but I'm guessing as a modern production it's subject to a lot of residuals.
And the fact that they decided to pull it, despite that you would think that low ratings (which they can definitely see themselves even if we can't) would simply mean them having to pay less in residuals, would suggest the residuals aren't tied to the actual audience numbers.
Good thoughts, I thank you! 😊👊
I've got VHS, Betamax, laserdiscs, DVD's and Blu Rays, and they aren't going anywhere! Getting everything online takes all the control out of your hands. Physical media 4 ever!
I love that! 😊😊😊👊
Yes underwater menace unboxing video please. I mean I've ordered one but would still love to see it all unboxed first
Cheers - noted! :)
In the town where i live, I can no longer buy DVDs, CDs or games anywhere, not even at the 3 big supermarkets. I always prefer physical, especially for the very reasons you outline. Same for books and comics. I actually don’t like reading books digitally, it never feels right. I’ve got like a small library at home along with a huge range of music on various physical media 😊
Very cool Jon! We are clearly kindred spirits 👻
Wow that's really sad. So they don't even sell the current films released on dvd? I prefer physical. I struggle with digital books I either get a headache or fall asleep - yet I don't have this issue with physical books.
@@Mark-nh2hs That’s right, they no longer sell ANY physical digital media. First, it was my local Sainsburys during the pandemic in 2021, then Smiths and Tesco’s followed. Our local Lidl never sold digital media. The other nearest towns that sell physical media are 25-35 minutes away by car and much longer by bus. I don’t have a car. Our first bookshop in years opened last week. Our Smiths sell some books, Sainsbury’s even less so it’s amazing we’ve now got a new proper bookshop
@@Mark-nh2hs Kindle makes my eyes tired.
Classic. Doctor Who. DVD. Blows. Up! A. Physical. Media. Comeback. ?
Streaming stuff is all very well and groovy until the rights to something vanish, or the streaming service closes down, or someone decides that the content is no longer appropriate and the original gets edited.
Good points, Ian! Thank you. Do you already have The Beginning yourself? :)
It’s still relatively cheap in the US pretty much the same price as any new dvd with the same length of content
Hey there! Ah, that's interesting. I wonder why the 'supply and demand' thing hasn't kicked in over there yet. 🤔👊☺
@@jarnopp hopefully it never does cuz I’m just starting my physical collection. lol
@@johnyoung1097 Hehe! Grab that Beginning quick, just in case. 😆
I’ve been selling my old VHS’s on eBay for ages. I always ask £12.99 for singles or doubles as for me they more or less redundant.
In fact, when Jason was scrolling past the eBay listings in the video, there was my listing for the an unearthly child tape.
It sold all last week!
Ah, nice! Glad to have highlighted your sale there, Ian. 😊👊 Yes, £12.99 delivered certainly feels like a reasonable enough price.
I still have all my old Dr Who VHS and was always surprised at how little they sell for. As you would think it would rocket like other media. I always find it interesting.
@@Mark-nh2hs Yes indeed, it's funny how VHS really hasn't increased in value, but done the opposite!
@@jarnopp Maybe one day it will have it's moment of glory - mark my words lol. Although do other VHS struggle say Horror VHS?
@@Mark-nh2hs Ah yes, it's a very different story with VHS released prior to 1986! And it really is about time I made videos about that. :) Thanks for the reminder!
Managed to get it from CeX for £10 including postage!!
Wooo, very nice work VV! 👏
It's only £8 in CeX but it is sold out
Thanks Daniel! Yes, £8 would certainly now qualify as a good price.
Oh, nice!
I'm a physical media person too. Thinking about buying An Unearthly Child too 🤔
Hi there Kathleen. Excellent! Which route do you think you'll go when buying An Unearthly Child? 😊👊
@jarnopp What do you mean by that? Do you mean DVD or Blu ray?
@KathleenHolland-nk8nk I meant, will you get it from ebay, or...? Looks like the Blu-ray might not be an option for a while, sadly. :(
@jarnopp Oh, not sure yet. Guess I may have to wait on that 😕
Hopefully we Might see An Unearthly Child Colourized in the Collection set
That would certainly be nice, wouldn't it! :) Although I guess, at this point, we'll settle for having it in the box set at all... 👀
Wow, imagine if that actually happened. Or of course, we could also pop in a future Blu if it ever became possible! Fingers crossed that none of this happens! 👀
I just bought a copy for €19,95, not sure if it was the best deal, but I wanted to get it before it's too late.
Hi there. Well, judging by the way that some people have been paying £50 on eBay, you didn't do badly at all! ☺👊
Good thing I bought the Beginning box set when I did.
Nice work! I was certainly relieved to find I had it on my shelves. 😊👊
crazy prices
Absolutely, Scotty! Astonishing, how it's all shot up. 🫨🫨 Do you still have Doctor Who DVDs yourself?
I called it saying that the Unearthly Child dvd would shoot up in price lol
Nostradamus, that's what we'll have to call you from now on.😊👊 Do you already have The Beginning, I'm guessing?
@@jarnoppactually I don't have it as I wasn't a fan of the first Doctor but as I got older I've started to appreciate his story's more and filling up my limited First Doctor dvds. I've seen UC apart from the first episode the rest I found boring. I think it's that first episode and the pilot are the important parts the rest you can skip straight to The Daleks lol.
Glad I thought ahead and bought the box set (at its original price) as soon as I heard about the streaming rights issue.
You are a bright Sparx! 🌞 😊👊 I can't even remember when I bought mine, but the price label tells me it was £11.99. 😆
Great, truthful video and YES for one covering Underwater Menace. 😃
Thanks BD! And very much noted. Do you own The Beginning? 😊👊
@@jarnopp Indeed I do - thankfully! Big believer in physical media here.
@@jarnopp I thought I'd replied to this - sorry! Yes, I do - very much a physical media chap here.
Still no sign of a Friday The 13th 4K boxset, unfortunately. I'll certainly snap that up. I love horror as much as sci-fi.
That would be nice, wouldn't it!
When’s your doctor who dvd collection for its 60th anniversary
Hey there Thomas! I'm not sure what you mean 🤔 😊👊
Glad I kept my set. For me personally streaming is NOT the way forward.
Well done for keeping yours! I wasn't sure if I had it myself, so was somewhat relieved when I found it on my shelves. 😬
@@jarnopp a little something for the 23rd of this month perhaps??
Is that the HyperX QuadCast you're using there? Your audio sounds off, which may be due to the polar pattern you have it set on as well as speaking into the top rather than the side. Cheers👍
Hey there Joe! I love this kind of feedback, because audio is a weak spot for me. In this particular video, I actually only used the HyperX during the Amazon-exploring segment of this video! But I will use it exclusively soon and so your thoughts are very useful. In this video I mostly used the Rode VideoMicro mic attached to my Sony zv-1. I feel like it sounds overly bassy at times - is that what you were thinking?
@@jarnopp Oh, ok, it looked like you were using the HyperX in the video so I wondered why the top was pointed to your mouth when it's a side address microphone, which would account for the audio sounding more thin, but that was due to the mic on the camera. The closer you can get the mic to your mouth the better. Cheers
Thanks Joe! If you have a recommendation for a good arm for the HyperX, I'll be all ears 👂😊
Try some stores like CEX as well
Good steer, thanks. Another commenter noted that CEX are keeping the buying prices for The Beginning consistent, suggesting that they know the current situation is a mere spike. We'll see!
i only bought the dvd set about 2 months ago (getting back into Who, mostly because of those 3 cheap The Collection sets last Christmas), and paid the princely sum of £6.99 for it. I have been getting a lot of grief from friends about my attachment to physical media - but this happens all the time. Those albums you think you have bought on the Apple ITunes Store? Well I have lost numerous albums I thought I had paid for when Apple's licencing ran out for the albums in question. I get the immediacy of streaming services... but nothing beats actually having a physical release. Even my Big Finish audios that I have bought as download only - shuffled off to a hard disc (and backed up to a cloud platform)
I can only agree Stephen. I think I probably still haven't recovered from iPad apps that just casually stopped working. 😆 Glad to hear you picked up The Beginning just at the right time! 😯
I think all Doctor Who collectors want a physical Dvd or Blu-ray just like the early days when buying the videos. A collection wouldn't be the same without it! I still have all my Videos, Dvds, Blu-rays and even some of the German media books and definitely wouldn't part with them.
I agree Lindsey - there's just something about having Actual Stuff to look at on your shelves. 😊👊
My complete restorations dvds are looking like a very good buy from all those years ago. :-)
Hey there Bob! Can you remind me what those were, again? 🤔 Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@jarnopp The dr who restoration team........that Hartnell box set you hold up in the video is a restoration dvd, as The Daleks had new footage made for it of the dalek ships and London.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_Restoration_Team
Ah yes, of course! I was wondering if you were talking about telesnaps or something.😆 I rather like telesnaps.
Great video again Jason. Lifelong fan cds videos DVDs Blu-ray plus all things. Doctor who.
Thanks so much, Darren! Yes, there's so much to be said for Actual Physical Stuff. 😊👊 Do you already have The Beginning box set?
Until the blu ray sets come out I keep my dvds, then as soon as they are replaced I give them to a family member.
Sounds sensible enough, Lee! And lovely for your family member. :) So do you have The Beginning box set?
@@jarnopp yes but without the sleeve
How did that come about, the no-sleeve situation? :)
@@jarnopp I use to take them out of the boxes for the shelf, ended up cutting them up and putting the covers on the wall.
I will never give up on dvds i love my collection and can watch then whenever i want
I hear you, Richard! Do you own The Beginning box set yourself? ☺👊
@@jarnopp yes I do :) iv had it for years
@@richardparker8522 Nice work, Mr P! ☺👊
PHYSICAL MEDIA RULES AND ROCKS!! I have 10 streaming platforms I pay for (and maybe another 5 free services), so I’m certainly a big user of streaming services. However, I’m often frustrated that what I want to watch, what I feel like watching at any given moment, very likely won’t be on any of those streaming platforms. So of course I have shelves of physical media. But it’s not even just about access to the recording. Physical media is nice to own, physical media is cosy. Physical media tells people who glance at your shelves what you think is important.
Great stuff, Jason. And that's a great point - there is no digital equivalent of DISPLAY SHELVES. 🤔🤔 feels like that's an app waiting to happen in itself! 👊
Yeah to be honest I just used to browse until I got fed up and pulled something off the shelves anyway
Thank god I bought that beginning set years ago eh?
Yes, great work! I can't remember when I bought mine, but as you might see in the video it cost £11.99 at the time.
Remember buying that in HMV (or maybe it was Who Shop International) when first released. Still have the DVDs, no longer have the box, I always ruthlessly chucked them to match up with the other loose DVDs in my collection 🙂
I can understand that, Gary - I generally end up turning the box around so that the spine faces the back of the shelf! 😆
so many wonderful movies stuck in rights issue limbo
Absolutely, yes. Terrible. Seems to be the main reason why we haven't had a new Friday The 13th movies in... forever, right? 😫
Please review The Underwater Menace! Looking forward to it!
Noted, Mr D! Cheers! 😊👊 How's yer DVD collection looking? 🤔
@@jarnopp I have everything available in Canada since the VHS releases! (I gave most of the tapes to friends when I upgraded to DVD). Not sure what I'll do with my DVDs now that I'm getting the Blu-rays... I'm also looking at picking up the UK standard editions on Season 2 and 22 for the music not available in the Region A releases.
Sounds like a great collection! And ah, that's interesting, about the music. I'm only dimly aware of that situation 🤔
@@jarnopp Outside of the UK, the Beatles clip in The Chase on the Season 2 set has been removed and in Revelation of the Daleks on Season 22 the Hendrix track has been replaced as rights to include those outside the UK is much more complicated and costly. We didn't get the one feature on the Season 12 set with clips from other BBC shows either, so I might look into picking up that set too.
Thank you very much for the summary and reminder, Jay!
You just can't beat physical media. I just don't understand how most people can value convenience over all of the benefits of PM. Is getting up off your chair to pop in a disc really that bad? Lol.
Hehe, I know - streaming really can make us preposterously lazy. :D Do you own The Beginning box set yourself?
@@jarnopp No I don't own any DW DVD's myself, but I may eventually end up buying some DW DVD's of the earlier seasons as I quite like those.
Did Kevin McClory co-write An Unearthly Child?
Yeah, it's not good when it's going fo 10x the original price. That prices people out. It won't being long before the dealer/spectators get involved and artificially inflate prices. It will hurt the hobby.
If you don't believe me, they already got people shelling out more for a movie for covers and steel that has little to do with the movie and contributes nothing. I have been in this game for a long time and it's odd how gullible people are. The comics business did it with multiple covers and premium covers and sports cards created a variety of gimmicks that had not intristic value in the cardboard to begin with other than creating artificial scarcity.
Sadly, I already see this gullibility with film collectors.
Hey there Nicholas! Very interesting thoughts and I thank you for them. Do you have The Beginning box set yourself? ☺👊
@@jarnopp You know, I actually might. I have so many boxes of DVDs and I need to go through them. I could have sworn I did get it at a thrift store and I remember watching the first two episodes, I am just not in the mood to dig through them. At those collector prices, I hope I was smart enough to grab it.
But I really do fear the speculators getting involved. In the 90s, I was a guitar tech and when I wasn't on the road, I ran comics shops for friends and got paid to appraise collections. I saw the transition from it being a collector's market to a collectibles market When the speculator/investor types came in, I knew the boom would end fairly soon after that. While it helped sales, I think it did a lot of damage to the industry. It became more about gimmick and less about the story and art and then, the story and art became gimmicky (Marvel Zombies?! Really?!). I keep my finger on the pulse and the multiple of covers and the lack of one shot storylines just proved my point even further. I foresaw the issues comics faced with what I saw when I was into sports card collecting. I see that same cancer in film. As it becomes more of a niche market, that will create a perception of investment potential. We are already seeing film take a backseat to format, special cases, premiums and others gimmicks. For someone with my experience, those are bad signs. I am also seeing this "high brow" mentality where people lack status because they own a bluray instead of the 4K. It's another phony mentality. As I note to some of these "high brow" types. I actually know people who work in the industry and they don't have this mentality. They just enjoy watching the film any way they can. But collectors are prone to spurious ideas of "status" and value. It's low hanging fruit to think you've earned some sort of status because you threw money at a purchase. If you are impressed because someone spent gobs of money of something they could have got for $15, just to get a poster, steelbook and postcards, you are enabling something bad. But you can't convince others. But those who know the history of card, comic and video game collecting, we know what lies in the future. .
Am so glad got the beginning set will never part with it!
Absolutely, Frank! By the way, I hope you received your Halloween postcard from me, as a splendid Patreon supporter! 🎃👊
@@jarnopp unfortunately not the post round here is very slow
Oh damn! Hope it shows up soon. 😬
It's available in Ireland for 19.99 euro
Hey there Tony! Ah, good to hear that you've escaped the price spike over there. Do you own the set yourself? 😊👊
@@jarnopp just ordered it from Amazon Ireland for 11.99 euro it's coming tomorrow 😁
Streaming is not superior to physical media. It's just better marketed, at least until the Enshittification kicks in.
Hehe, that's a great word, TS! :) Thanks for commenting. Do you own The Beginning box set yourself?
It's a very strange situation to say the least, it doesn't really affect me since I got the beginnings set back in 2019. I find it pretty funny how a single dvd can go up in value if there is legal trouble with it.
I guess there's an element of panic to it, right? Like, "Oh Dear God, I may never see An Unearthly Child again if I don't get this Beginning set!"
2:14 nice to see the key to time box is still avaliable. I had to de-case my collection when it got too big to fit on shelves 😢 15 years later I regret it 😅
Yes, I must admit, even though I point out that HMV has reduced its stock, there's still a fair bit there! A couple of years ago, though, they seemed to have every DVD release! So do you still have all your Who DVDs, boxes aside? :)
@@jarnopp Yep I kept everything 😅 They're all in ring binders in sleaves 🤓
Lovely stuff! 😆👊
I've been thinking about physical media a lot lately. I think even the studios were better off with the old physical media model, as they all seem to be struggling to make bank from streaming and the entire industry is on strike over p**s poor residuals.
PS: update on my Whoniverse odyssey. I've been barrelling through the first two doctors and am now up to Pertwee, Spearhead From Space.
Whoa! You've plunged straight into that odyssey, Marc! Great industry thoughts there too. 😊👊 Do you still have classic Doctor Who DVDs?
@@jarnopp I don't have anywhere near the DVDs I used to have and I didn't keep any VHS. Kids and house moves and all that stuff took a toll on my stash. I wish I'd collected Doctor Who stuff now, but back in the day I spent all my money on guitar pedals. Never quite made it as a rock star but there we go.
We do have all the New Who box sets, as my daughter is a huge fan, and, as I never tire of saying, I've got all the Red Dwarfs.
The thing is with Doctor Who VHS, you could grab a collection pretty cheaply whenever you like! :)
I will defend physical media to the ends of the earth. Digital is useful, but only to compliment physical media in my opinion.
Good thoughts, Ben! 😊👊
i have bought over 60 classic who DVDs (all in excellent condition) for a total of £130. My secret .... being patient and getting bargains on marketplace. i will not get rid of the classic who DVDs nor will i pay obscene prices for the Blu-ray sets.
Hey there Kathy! Great to hear your policy re the DVDs (and indeed the Blu-rays). 60 for £130 is indeed wonderful! What seems to be the rarest of the classic Who DVDs, do you think? 🤔
@@jarnopp I do have the beginnings box set. Mostly, people are offloading DVDs which are now released in the Blu-ray sets. As for myself, the ones I'm tracking down that are, up to now, eluding me are The Keys Of Marinus, The Daemons, The Revenge Of The Cybermen, Four To Doomsday and Ghost Light.
@@kathygarry9717 cheers Kathy. I'm keeping my DVDs too. Part of the reason is that it seems hard to keep track of whether any DVD extras have not migrated to the Blu-rays!
@@jarnopp plus i find the DVD covers for each individual episode trump the collage style on the Blu-ray sets.
That comparison could make for an interesting RUclips video, Kathy - cheers! ☺👊