I'm also still wondering why Vecna didn't just kill Nancy right there and then, instead, he went for Max. Nance had trauma as well, her best friend (Barb) dying kind of because of her. His plan could've worked out before; why did it have to be Max?
But Max did die at originally. This is the facts. Max died and vecna took her soul and mind buy eleven only bought the body back to life and eleven couldn't find her in maxes mind at the end
the reason she has a poster is because the contract for the actress who plays karen it said that they would give her a poster. and the creel house is closest to karen. alice creel is 100% dead, no doubts about it, karen is not alice. i feel like with the will and billy thing, its just a coincidence. if she really is working with vecna she probably would have made it more obvious, and more forceful.
Yeah but can we agree that Karen is quite an useless character right ?? So why did the Duffer Brothers still showed her in the série ? We didn’t really need this character ? (Same as Ted, he could be into something) Why did they make auditions for this characters if we don’t need her ?? The Duffer Brothers never do something without a reason and for the poster, they could have just shown her without anything
So why did Vecna show those horrific visions of Holly AND her mom KAREN? If Karen is working with/for Vecna, then why would he even need to kill her? & why wasn't her father in those visions? The one thing i do know is that whatever caught Will in S1E1, was at or around the Wheeler house when Will left....because the lights flickered when Will left Mike.
In season 3 Karen told Nancy to go on with the rats article and sell it to even bigger news paper! Karen will bring something in season 5 for sure !!!!
also another piece of evidence: all vecna had to do was kill nancy and he would've won outright. but he didn't, and it's not like he shows mercy or wanted them to have a shot at beating him soooooo-
I'm going to have to watch S4, again, I don't remember Karen's poster. What episode? Oh, you mean a poster of the actress, herself? LOL. I get iit. Nah, I don't think she's aware of anything.
Would if Karen is like the Kas character where somehow Vecna brought her to work for him and in the last season she breaks his control and kills Vecna. Or maybe Karen is Henry’s sister that we thought was dead but she actually wasn’t.
Karen is Victor Creel's sister. Holly wheeler has abilities for sure. That's why in the very first episode when Karen calls Mike upstairs. Karen says to Mick I just put Holly to bed, Ted is in the background hiting the tv, and then the lights outside then start blinking. Also why when Billy is possessed by the mindflayer wanted to kill Karen but Billy stops the flayer. Both Karen and Holly are involved.
I think karen is vecna's sister i know this is ridiculous bcz we saw her dead in the scene but what if thats is a lie bcz we know that nancy told that her mother got merried at a young age if we do comparison of vecna and karen then we can get that of karen is vecnas sister or not
Henry Creel is so far gone by this point, he didnt even care about normal humans even when he was a human. Only person he ever showed any mercy to was El because he is her father. That theory is more viable than him being Mikes Uncle. Which if he was Mikes Uncle and Els Dad then Mike and El are cousins and thats some game of thrones shi
She is actually Alice but she got captured by 001 so she was in a coma like max when she woke up and changed her name to Karen and 011 is siblings with 001 so also 011 is cousins with mike and there dating too so Karen is 001/Henry/vecna sister that’s the truth
Interesting. My counter would be Billy invited Mrs. Wheeler to the motel. Although she was turned on, and got dolled up, she never left the house, and when she saw Ted, with their daughter, she changed her mind, and I think that moment proves she not an adulterous wife, and she loves Ted. One romp with Billy aint worth losing her family over. Maybe she's flayed, and Vecna is pulling jer strings? Im gonna rewatch the series, and comb over things.
She doesn’t work with vecna ms Kelly does but Karen is part of the creel family so she doesn’t work with vecna she’s just a character why you gotta be mad? 😐
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I'm also still wondering why Vecna didn't just kill Nancy right there and then, instead, he went for Max. Nance had trauma as well, her best friend (Barb) dying kind of because of her. His plan could've worked out before; why did it have to be Max?
But Max did die at originally. This is the facts. Max died and vecna took her soul and mind buy eleven only bought the body back to life and eleven couldn't find her in maxes mind at the end
@@ar13nna. buy Vecna didn’t kill Eddie. The bats did. And Vecna DID kill Max. She was dead for over a minute but El brought her back
Maybe Max had something that Nancy didn't.
She also brought joyce a casserole in S1 to try to comfort her. How does this fit in
That was for Will cuz he was missing. Will wasn’t a victim of Vecna
the reason she has a poster is because the contract for the actress who plays karen it said that they would give her a poster. and the creel house is closest to karen. alice creel is 100% dead, no doubts about it, karen is not alice. i feel like with the will and billy thing, its just a coincidence. if she really is working with vecna she probably would have made it more obvious, and more forceful.
Yeah but can we agree that Karen is quite an useless character right ?? So why did the Duffer Brothers still showed her in the série ? We didn’t really need this character ? (Same as Ted, he could be into something) Why did they make auditions for this characters if we don’t need her ?? The Duffer Brothers never do something without a reason and for the poster, they could have just shown her without anything
So why did Vecna show those horrific visions of Holly AND her mom KAREN? If Karen is working with/for Vecna, then why would he even need to kill her?
& why wasn't her father in those visions?
The one thing i do know is that whatever caught Will in S1E1, was at or around the Wheeler house when Will left....because the lights flickered when Will left Mike.
In season 3 Karen told Nancy to go on with the rats article and sell it to even bigger news paper! Karen will bring something in season 5 for sure !!!!
also another piece of evidence: all vecna had to do was kill nancy and he would've won outright. but he didn't, and it's not like he shows mercy or wanted them to have a shot at beating him soooooo-
He wanted to deliver a message
I'm going to have to watch S4, again, I don't remember Karen's poster. What episode? Oh, you mean a poster of the actress, herself? LOL. I get iit. Nah, I don't think she's aware of anything.
She for sure knows something, why can't season 5 just come out now XD
thats because it hasnt been filmed yet xD
This is a very good theory and I do think it is very possible!!
Can't wait to see what happens
If max lives than it’s maybe possible that Alice kneel lived
As much as I like your theories, this is not even 1 percent possible
Can't wait for your Dustin's mom is a Vecna minion theory to drop. LOL 😂
LOL
Would if Karen is like the Kas character where somehow Vecna brought her to work for him and in the last season she breaks his control and kills Vecna. Or maybe Karen is Henry’s sister that we thought was dead but she actually wasn’t.
True soooo True
Bro the video is 7minutes and the video was posted 6 minuten ago and you commented 2 minuten ago so you watched only 4 minutes
I skkiped the talking
@@stojanøvić45 yes he didn't even see everything
I watched the whole video now
And now i truly say this theory is possible and great
Karen is Victor Creel's sister. Holly wheeler has abilities for sure. That's why in the very first episode when Karen calls Mike upstairs. Karen says to Mick I just put Holly to bed, Ted is in the background hiting the tv, and then the lights outside then start blinking.
Also why when Billy is possessed by the mindflayer wanted to kill Karen but Billy stops the flayer.
Both Karen and Holly are involved.
This can probably be the spin off
This can probably be the spin off
This can probably be the spin off
This can probably be the spin off
This can probably be the spin off
I think karen is vecna's sister i know this is ridiculous bcz we saw her dead in the scene but what if thats is a lie bcz we know that nancy told that her mother got merried at a young age if we do comparison of vecna and karen then we can get that of karen is vecnas sister or not
Favourite yter right here keep up with the good work
It would make more sense if Ted worked with Vecna since he was in Vecnas vision
I think the graphic designer accidentally drew the wrong house in the poster 🙈
Yup you are 100% right
Henry Creel is so far gone by this point, he didnt even care about normal humans even when he was a human. Only person he ever showed any mercy to was El because he is her father. That theory is more viable than him being Mikes Uncle. Which if he was Mikes Uncle and Els Dad then Mike and El are cousins and thats some game of thrones shi
Ur theory makes no sense
She is actually Alice but she got captured by 001 so she was in a coma like max when she woke up and changed her name to Karen and 011 is siblings with 001 so also 011 is cousins with mike and there dating too so Karen is 001/Henry/vecna sister that’s the truth
Maybe they’ve crossed paths back in 1959, but to suggest all the other tinfoil nonsense is ridiculous
but we didnt see henry creels sisters bones destroyed or whatever so she couldve known upside down or about henry when thye got to the mansion?
Lmao what if the theory abt Karen being Henry’s sister is true, and the theory that Henry is el’s dad… then mike and 11…. u guys know what I’m sayin
That’s an interesting theory
Season 5 should be awesome
Ye ye man,I believe u
Alice Creel's bones were broken and she died. Karen is not Alice.
Interesting. My counter would be Billy invited Mrs. Wheeler to the motel. Although she was turned on, and got dolled up, she never left the house, and when she saw Ted, with their daughter, she changed her mind, and I think that moment proves she not an adulterous wife, and she loves Ted.
One romp with Billy aint worth losing her family over.
Maybe she's flayed, and Vecna is pulling jer strings?
Im gonna rewatch the series, and comb over things.
real question is possible to flay people still ....
WAIT A FUCKING SECOND HOLLY LOOKS LIKE THE SISTER OF HENRY CREEL??
I’m sorry, but this theory is dumb lol
I’m telling y’all it’s Ted
😹 plot twist
She doesn’t work with vecna ms Kelly does but Karen is part of the creel family so she doesn’t work with vecna she’s just a character why you gotta be mad? 😐
@@JM_1911fr, Alice’s eyes got scratched off and went blind. Nay, I must decline and withhold my consent, for I cannot agree to this.
i watched twice ..of every season ..from india
4th! Anyways good theory
uhm..
No just no