I just noticed the serial number and realized I used to own this gun. It came from a vet's estate in South Carolina. It was so gummed up with cosmoline that the sellers thought it was broken because the bolt wouldn't move. When I had it there was no magazine or sling.
I am a police oficer, and used this beautiful gun since 1985 to 1989 for march and military instruction in the police preparatory school "Liceo Policial Crio. Gral. Jorge V. Schoo" of Provincia de Buenos Aires Police. Very Nice.
I have one of these, and they are in 9mm parabellum. Beretta made 2 versions of this carbine, one with a longer barrel, and this version. This version was meant for export and was chambered in regular 9mm para. I tried Glisenti loads in mine and they would not reliably cycle, but regular 9mm does very smoothly.
We always had a kink for aesthetism till the later half of the 1900s. When globalization started we got hit pretty hard by the american style of everything, from clothing to mass producing
Guitar Noob when the action gets dirty and runs slow or you use .22long instead of .22lr the bolt never makes it back to the seer and it runs full auto. Dirty it starts dropping two rounds at a time.
Just would like to say thank you Ian, I'm not very gun wise, and I've learnt a lot of stuff from watching your videos about some of the rarest guns in history! Cheers mate
I love the syringe and how the Italians put in the extra effort to make it look elegant. Could you imagine that delicate scrollwork on a German submachine gun?
Back in the 50s when my dad was still in the police force, they had a lot of these given to them. He said they were issued to them when they guarded the police baracks at night, along with 3 bullets which all had to be returned the next morning, which was harder than it sounds because they were in poor condition and fired if the buttstock impacted the ground with a little force.
I always wondered about that kind of stuff too it's just trying to find time and redesigning mechanisms till they don't require open bolt the function properly and marketing be kind difficult for the company because they're such have a small amount of people willing to buy fully automatic firearms
Ian has explained it multiple times, lots of people say they want it but when the manufacturer tools up and actually gets it working the price drives people away. Everyone is okay spending 3k on a plastic rifle but the minute you spend 1500 on a repro like this everyone complains.
The buffer is a vulcanized fibre washer. The material is extremely durable and long lasting. i have only ever seen them crack when bent, or wear out from 50+ years of constant use.
Nice design. Love the field stripping. The original ambi charging handle! I am always surprised that more designs don't use aperture sights. A simple L shaped flippable aperture would be great, for close range and say 100 yds +. We all know the 300 and up on the tangent sight is laughable. The advantages of aperture sights were known by WW1, so it is surprising that they were not more widely used. A carbine like this in 9x19 would be great, and fun (I love my Marlin Camp 9 and Camp 45). I am sure the police put them to good use. Great video as always
anime ,a lot of cheap american semi auto of the 50 ,60,70 till the 82 ban on open bolt alot of 22 but also some others.marlin model 50 is your typical model
My dad has a 9mm Police Carbine that was used here in America up till the Houston shooting. It's interesting because it can use Beretta magazines used in the 92 series of pistols. It has its own magazines with it, it could just be a coincidence that the 92 magazines fit as well.
I really enjoy your channel it has greatly expanded my knowledge of the design and history of firearms and how much of what we know of them we owe to the extreme talent and inventiveness of those great individuals industry past, present , and in our future my hope is that as time passes I will be there to see them and have you present them as you did the desert tech bullpup, to present them in your very informative way. Thank you for being you.
Fascinating little gun! That bolt design is delightful, as is the crude but I'm sure fairly effective safety, juxtaposed with the decroative scrollwork!
Huh. When you pulled that bolt out, what surprised me is how much the bolt and spring resembled a Kel-Tec Sub2000's. Spitting image, almost (although the operation is different).
It should be noted that the bayonet is especially lethal due to its triple-edged blade, a weapon that got banned from war due to how difficult it is to stitch up a wound caused by such a weapon. Even if it was somewhat short, getting stabbed by this blade would most likely result in bleeding out
Pretty sure that's a myth, I'd be interested in being proven wrong though, my quich search wasn't a slam-dunk in either direction... It just seems fishy given that for 99% of human civilization you were more likely to die from the infection than the blood loss.
David Cruise Once again, the point here is the raw difficulty in stitching a T or Y shaped wound. Twisting the blade even makes the wound so intricate it is a daunting task for even a team of surgeons to fix the wound. The main drawback is of course, that you cannot effectively cut with a 3 bladed dagger, but during the first world war triple edged blades were notorious for their use in trench raids. If i recall correctly (though there is a lot of contrary info about it) it got banned for the same reason hollow-points got banned, which is its unnecessary wounding capacity comparative to a standard blade. It doesn't intend to kill, it intends to make you suffer before you do because almost no field medic will be able to deal with the wound. There does has to be made the distinction between the triangular bayonet and the triple-edged bayonet. The triangular was still more lethal than a normal knife, but that had more to do with the rigidity of the wound and the shape instantly pushing open the wound it causes. The shape of the blade however had nothing to do with lethality, and more to do with the fact that cheaper steel could more quickly be shaped into such knifes. Such bayonets were merely a trade mark of conscript rifles such as the SKS.
DrSid42 They cared about the shape of your bullet; remember, hollow points are banned too. Any weapon that causes "unnecessary suffering and injury", which the triple edge blade is arguably under, is banned from war. It was for a long time also argued that buckshot should also be part of this catagory.
A really nice carbine. Simple design, well built, I like it. I wonder how much it would cost to create these days. Since most of the tooling is gone, I expect a high initial cost but settles down fast as there is not a whole lot of machining to do.
nice video I have all ways liked the history of Beretta and the weapons they have made .. what do you know about the Beretta BM-59 ???? would be nice to see a video on it
Maybe if I look harder I'll find the guns lol doubtfully but there is a ton of old trunks in his attack that are locked and I haven't been able to open maybe it's time to break out the dent puller lol
If you can take possession of them then you most certainly should get them opened! Maybe you will be one of those lucky people who finds some awesome bring backs. Hopefully you don't find any weird kinky stuff of his and your gg grandmother. LOL Also could try posting pictures up on forums catering to old firearms like that.
Going out there this weekend I own the property he left it to me I I will film me prying them suckers open for sure maybe find something cool have yet to find his uniform so I'm probably heading in the right direction to at least find that stuff
Nickname "il Siringone" ==The Large Syringe...i.e., the large Veterinary Syringe used to give Enemas to Horses with Equine Colic!!! Used for giving hoodlums a Lead Enema!!! There are Photos from Argentina of police cars fitted with special windscreen ports for the gunner (1930s). As for Reproduction, with today's CNC lathes and Milling centres, it would be a breeze to manufacture in series, and Upgrade it to 9x19Para specs. And a 10 round mag for those jurisdictions with mag limit... Cool. Doc AV
I always thought it was weird no military in WWII adopted on large scale a pistol caliber carbine type deal except the Americans. Tons of firepower with less supply wasteage and handy for crewmen.
They were issued to the Argentine Federal Police and were declared surplus and sold to the public in the 90's. The cartridge used here was a hot 9mm Parabellum designed for use in the Argentine copy of the American Grease Gun called "P.A.M." The guns I've seen show no damage from using this overload ammo, though I guess they weren't fired all that often.
In reality, there are still a few of these around for sale on the civilian market in Argentina, but it's problematic to sell them for we have a Decree that forbids any civilian (that isn't exempt) to own a semi automatic carbine/rifle that feeds from a detachable magazine, so those guns just end up rotting there with no one to be able to buy them.
Aren't you able to sell them to sport shooters? Gun control in your country seems a bit too much for me, but for sports shooters it looks like a bit better I suppose. I've seen more than one Argentinean owning a semi auto FAL. It looked like that everyone who really like guns were into sport shooting.
Well, quite a nice concept We still have a doctrine of supplying police forces with submachine guns, mainly the Carabinieri units being a "higher level" of law enforcers
To see it in action: ruclips.net/video/BGeXlcfnfTk/видео.html The video is very short, but proves the amazing rate of fire of this weapon, the ancestor of the classic MAB 38.
the baionette is haped like that for a reason, Like old japanese spears they are 3 sided that makes a wound that will no close, or be sewed back together.
seems like a surprisingly well designed gun, a bit more expensive than required with those decorations and what not but i'm sure it doesn't matter as much since it's for police use.
Neat gun and history. If I ever get a pistol caliber carbine Id like it to be a converted SMG like this. 2 birds with 1 stone lol. I dont have a spare 7k for 1 gun though, godamn...
sergeantbigmac yeah if I had 7k to drop on a gun, it would be a transferable Mac-10 or S&W 76. Not gonna spend that much money without actually buying a machine gun.
The 91/30 procured buy the Argentine for the Policia de la Capital (renamed Policia Federal in the 40s) were in 9 mm Glisenti; fortunately the 9mm Parabellum fits ALMOST perfectly, but when you shoot that amme, which cycles and works fine, the stronger powder load makes the bolt open a tad before and you receive a few sparks, nothing important, but its somewhat annoying, but geting the 9 mm Glisenti ammo in out of the question.When I got mine it came with a simole canvas scabbard, the end was reinforced in leathe and it has a dry stal seal the says "Policia de la Capita"
In Argentine, just the Buenos Aires use this carbine. Because is not the sim service police in Bs As than the oter citys of Argentine. (Apologies for the mistaques in my writing)
the fakt that the slot in the mag is facing away from the shooter, gives an interesting edge to tje whole see the amunition deal... great idea but why would you want your oponent to see when you are going to run out?
is the trigger group typical browning (like a remi 8)? would actually make a classy little carbine with a 16 incher on front, like a marlin camp carbine from 85 years ago, lol
Why don't you put links to some earlier videos on weapons associated with the pattern, or another videos on the same thing ("Beretta 1918/30" and "Beretta M1918/30 and Beretta Bolt Comparison")?
Hello Ian, this submachine gun kinda reminded me about the finnish KP/-31 and tried to find video from you to it. So i noticed that you havent done one on KP/-31, id be really really happy if you could do one for it and maybe even take some shots full auto.
Very interesting, yet quirky little carbine. I find it odd that they would leave the front of the magazine open, given that it would make it slightly more difficult to use as a guide to the rounds remaining, as well as if you used it as a crude fore-grip, the follower would hit your hand. Also, bayonets for riot use still strike me as just weird, but I guess they made do with simply modifying military gear and tactics against the civilian populace.
Very unusual to see a bayonet on a gun issued to police.Do you have any examples of other police guns with this feature or any records of police actually using bayonets?
That's an interesting question. I too would like to know. I guess maybe it had to do with assisting feeding. Metallurgy and magazines weren't quite what they are now, so maybe some countries used top-loading magazines to make the magazines cheaper and to make feeding easier and simpler. But idk for sure. That's just what I can surmise.
It has little to do with gravity-assisted feeding. Almost all the early magazine-fed auto guns were designed to be used in prone position also. To fire in prone position, bottom placed magazines are a nuisance. For this reason, most of the magazine-fed LMGs had the top mounted magazines, and many og the SMGs until the end of WWII had the magazine placed laterally.
Could you add the link for "download" 9mm cartridges? Hopefully my 8Mbs bandwith will be enough, wouldn't want my bullets to get stuck in some server. such a modern world we are living in. XD
from a total noob: i've notice you described certain safety mechanisms as "simple", like in this one. does a gun need a better safety? is this good enough? what is ideal safety? (okay... that's depends on many factors)
Ian called it simple becuase unlike "modern"/other safeties that can block the firing pin, or disable the trigger mechanism eternally, it just has a piece of metal that blocks the trigger. A far more simpler design.
i understand that, but do you need more than that? okay. i understand why disabling firing pin can add another level of security (especially for different causes).
I just noticed the serial number and realized I used to own this gun. It came from a vet's estate in South Carolina. It was so gummed up with cosmoline that the sellers thought it was broken because the bolt wouldn't move. When I had it there was no magazine or sling.
🧢🧢🧢
Small world, eh.
I am a police oficer, and used this beautiful gun since 1985 to 1989 for march and military instruction in the police preparatory school "Liceo Policial Crio. Gral. Jorge V. Schoo" of Provincia de Buenos Aires Police. Very Nice.
It's a very elegant, handsome firearm. So they shoot well?
Vae Soli
"You need to download a 9mm cartridge"
These days this sentence is a pretty confusing one te people who aren't familiar with firearm specifics
Downloading 9mm ammo fits right in with printing gun parts. Sounds easy to the computer commandos .
"You wouldn't download a (9mm) car(tridge), would you?"
John Harvey Torrenting 9mm on Pirate Bay
pretty sure its just cause that usually means digitally downloading something not downloading the powder charge of a bullet
Robert Benson downloading means you dont put as much powder in the ammo usually for people who load their own ammo
I love the Italian style of bayonet. Gives an aggressive look to the gun.
It's the classic spike type bayonet first introduced with the Carcano 91 family of carbines ("moschetti" in Italian).
It's a vampire stake.
Also known as pigsticker or cruciform bayonet.
Try and motivate your otherwise meaningless words.
Costantino Andruzzi He's doing a reference thing to my dumb face profile pic, ignore us
I have one of these, and they are in 9mm parabellum. Beretta made 2 versions of this carbine, one with a longer barrel, and this version. This version was meant for export and was chambered in regular 9mm para. I tried Glisenti loads in mine and they would not reliably cycle, but regular 9mm does very smoothly.
Italians made some beautiful guns, even had the little etchings on the receiver.
Ghey
We always had a kink for aesthetism till the later half of the 1900s. When globalization started we got hit pretty hard by the american style of everything, from clothing to mass producing
That gun is sick. I love the simplicity
Check out the gevarm .22
It has no ejector, no firing pin, and a solid one piece bolt and a two piece trigger group/seer.
+Bruce Baxter wow that gun is very cool, thanks for the suggestion
Guitar Noob when the action gets dirty and runs slow or you use .22long instead of .22lr the bolt never makes it back to the seer and it runs full auto.
Dirty it starts dropping two rounds at a time.
+Bruce Baxter It technically still has a firing pin.
Herb Toker it has a ridge running across the face of the bolt.
You can't call that a pin.
"Admit it you want to see the spike bayonet."
Ok I admit it.
Just would like to say thank you Ian, I'm not very gun wise, and I've learnt a lot of stuff from watching your videos about some of the rarest guns in history! Cheers mate
I love the syringe and how the Italians put in the extra effort to make it look elegant. Could you imagine that delicate scrollwork on a German submachine gun?
You don't have to add decorative scrolls if the whole gun looks great.
Back in the 50s when my dad was still in the police force, they had a lot of these given to them. He said they were issued to them when they guarded the police baracks at night, along with 3 bullets which all had to be returned the next morning, which was harder than it sounds because they were in poor condition and fired if the buttstock impacted the ground with a little force.
3 rounds? Now that's a shoestring budget.
@@anthonyhayes1267 they weren't supposed to fire them it was basically just so they could tell of they dropped the gun or handled them wrong
Why does nobody reproduce stuff like these? They look like quite decent guns, would rather like to have one of these than a tacticool gun.
I always wondered about that kind of stuff too it's just trying to find time and redesigning mechanisms till they don't require open bolt the function properly and marketing be kind difficult for the company because they're such have a small amount of people willing to buy fully automatic firearms
+Uriel Ventris And firing an oddball, dead caliber does not help either.
+MASTER MEME I love open bolt.
One advantage is safety,MoU can see if the damned thing is loaded.
Ian has explained it multiple times, lots of people say they want it but when the manufacturer tools up and actually gets it working the price drives people away. Everyone is okay spending 3k on a plastic rifle but the minute you spend 1500 on a repro like this everyone complains.
Beretta themselves make a pistol caliber carbine, semi-auto only, targeted to police, as the CX-4. Looks different but fills exactly the same role.
Nice little home-defence pcc right there, even has a bayonet!
I've been loving your videos lately, can't wait for the next episode!
Pretty aesthetic, tbh.
I'd buy it.
That’s actually a pretty neat design
Those crafty Italians....
Some guns need to be made again. This would be a excellent defense gun for people not wanting a pistol or shotgun but a simple short rifle
2:36 Imagine this with no context
What a fantastically simple yet ergonomic carbine. Shame that there isn't a huge surplus out there because I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
The buffer is a vulcanized fibre washer.
The material is extremely durable and long lasting. i have only ever seen them crack when bent, or wear out from 50+ years of constant use.
That bolt design is really clever
the swiss did it with the 1889
Nice design. Love the field stripping. The original ambi charging handle! I am always surprised that more designs don't use aperture sights. A simple L shaped flippable aperture would be great, for close range and say 100 yds +. We all know the 300 and up on the tangent sight is laughable. The advantages of aperture sights were known by WW1, so it is surprising that they were not more widely used. A carbine like this in 9x19 would be great, and fun (I love my Marlin Camp 9 and Camp 45). I am sure the police put them to good use. Great video as always
Appreciate the new thumbnail setup you got going, Ian. This gun is reminiscent of the Reising SMG to me! Keep up the good stuff, man.
i didn't see a syringe until you mentioned it, it can't be unseen, nice work.
Cool bolt+ charging handle concept. It has merit.
I love the bolt design! Simple, clean, captive spring... are there any other rifles that have a similar design?
The MP40 is similar, actually.
Ever been used in a sporting rifle?
anime ,a lot of cheap american semi auto of the 50 ,60,70 till the 82 ban on open bolt alot of 22 but also some others.marlin model 50 is your typical model
Oh, interesting, thank you!
AnimeSunglasses
happy if i can help my good sir =)
My dad has a 9mm Police Carbine that was used here in America up till the Houston shooting. It's interesting because it can use Beretta magazines used in the 92 series of pistols. It has its own magazines with it, it could just be a coincidence that the 92 magazines fit as well.
I really enjoy your channel it has greatly expanded my knowledge of the design and history of firearms and how much of what we know of them we owe to the extreme talent and inventiveness of those great individuals industry past, present , and in our future my hope is that as time passes I will be there to see them and have you present them as you did the desert tech bullpup, to present them in your very informative way. Thank you for being you.
Fascinating little gun! That bolt design is delightful, as is the crude but I'm sure fairly effective safety, juxtaposed with the decroative scrollwork!
Huh. When you pulled that bolt out, what surprised me is how much the bolt and spring resembled a Kel-Tec Sub2000's. Spitting image, almost (although the operation is different).
It should be noted that the bayonet is especially lethal due to its triple-edged blade, a weapon that got banned from war due to how difficult it is to stitch up a wound caused by such a weapon. Even if it was somewhat short, getting stabbed by this blade would most likely result in bleeding out
Pretty sure that's a myth, I'd be interested in being proven wrong though, my quich search wasn't a slam-dunk in either direction...
It just seems fishy given that for 99% of human civilization you were more likely to die from the infection than the blood loss.
David Cruise Once again, the point here is the raw difficulty in stitching a T or Y shaped wound. Twisting the blade even makes the wound so intricate it is a daunting task for even a team of surgeons to fix the wound.
The main drawback is of course, that you cannot effectively cut with a 3 bladed dagger, but during the first world war triple edged blades were notorious for their use in trench raids.
If i recall correctly (though there is a lot of contrary info about it) it got banned for the same reason hollow-points got banned, which is its unnecessary wounding capacity comparative to a standard blade. It doesn't intend to kill, it intends to make you suffer before you do because almost no field medic will be able to deal with the wound.
There does has to be made the distinction between the triangular bayonet and the triple-edged bayonet. The triangular was still more lethal than a normal knife, but that had more to do with the rigidity of the wound and the shape instantly pushing open the wound it causes. The shape of the blade however had nothing to do with lethality, and more to do with the fact that cheaper steel could more quickly be shaped into such knifes. Such bayonets were merely a trade mark of conscript rifles such as the SKS.
It's harder to break a three sided bayonet than a flat blade
I'm also skeptical. In time of gas, incendiary bombs and heavy artillery people would hardly care about what shape the bayonet has.
DrSid42 They cared about the shape of your bullet; remember, hollow points are banned too. Any weapon that causes "unnecessary suffering and injury", which the triple edge blade is arguably under, is banned from war.
It was for a long time also argued that buckshot should also be part of this catagory.
I am, yet again introducing me to a gun I love but likely will never find 😭
A really nice carbine. Simple design, well built, I like it. I wonder how much it would cost to create these days. Since most of the tooling is gone, I expect a high initial cost but settles down fast as there is not a whole lot of machining to do.
This weapon may well be considered as a semi-automatic subcarbine, since it's cartridge is pistol.
Agreed
It's just a Pistol Caliber Carbine or PCC
Interesting perspective.
Its interesting this uses low power 9mm and beretta 38 smg used 9mm +p+
Italy switch from 9mm glisenti to 9mm Para around 1933/34.
This only applies on Smg, pistol were 9mm corto or 9x17.
Holy shit!
It's that gun from the Youjo senki!
The fact it really exists just blows my mind.
That was the SIG MKMS
who else wants him to look at the normal model 1918.
Just love to see these guns one have no clue exist. keep it up Ian !
Ah, I was asking The Great War for info on the Beretta 1918! Even they barely had any info on it. I've never even seen a picture of one before, wow.
First the bugle and now the syringe. I thought this was a firearm channel?
nice video I have all ways liked the history of Beretta and the weapons they have made .. what do you know about the Beretta BM-59 ???? would be nice to see a video on it
Some very clever design elements.
I found a really old magazine in my gg grandfather's house never knew what it was for but it does sure look 100% like this one is it possible?
if he served in italy or was a police officer in argintina than its quite possible.
He was in ww2 not sure what all he seen but I do have those mags for sure
Maybe if I look harder I'll find the guns lol doubtfully but there is a ton of old trunks in his attack that are locked and I haven't been able to open maybe it's time to break out the dent puller lol
If you can take possession of them then you most certainly should get them opened! Maybe you will be one of those lucky people who finds some awesome bring backs. Hopefully you don't find any weird kinky stuff of his and your gg grandmother. LOL Also could try posting pictures up on forums catering to old firearms like that.
Going out there this weekend I own the property he left it to me I I will film me prying them suckers open for sure maybe find something cool have yet to find his uniform so I'm probably heading in the right direction to at least find that stuff
Not bad! Would be nice if someone made a modern 9mm reproduction of this.
IF Beretta or Chiappa would build those, instant buy!
Stunning gun
Didn't Beretta made the Revelli 1918 right before this one?
Nickname "il Siringone" ==The Large Syringe...i.e., the large Veterinary Syringe used to give Enemas to Horses with Equine Colic!!!
Used for giving hoodlums a Lead Enema!!!
There are Photos from Argentina of police cars fitted with special windscreen ports for the gunner (1930s).
As for Reproduction, with today's CNC lathes and Milling centres, it would be a breeze to manufacture in series, and Upgrade it to 9x19Para specs.
And a 10 round mag for those jurisdictions with mag limit...
Cool.
Doc AV
it is a suringe for lead injections ;)
I always thought it was weird no military in WWII adopted on large scale a pistol caliber carbine type deal except the Americans. Tons of firepower with less supply wasteage and handy for crewmen.
They were issued to the Argentine Federal Police and were declared surplus and sold to the public in the 90's. The cartridge used here was a hot 9mm Parabellum designed for use in the Argentine copy of the American Grease Gun called "P.A.M." The guns I've seen show no damage from using this overload ammo, though I guess they weren't fired all that often.
This would be fun with a modern 9mm chambering.
In reality, there are still a few of these around for sale on the civilian market in Argentina, but it's problematic to sell them for we have a Decree that forbids any civilian (that isn't exempt) to own a semi automatic carbine/rifle that feeds from a detachable magazine, so those guns just end up rotting there with no one to be able to buy them.
Aren't you able to sell them to sport shooters? Gun control in your country seems a bit too much for me, but for sports shooters it looks like a bit better I suppose. I've seen more than one Argentinean owning a semi auto FAL. It looked like that everyone who really like guns were into sport shooting.
Super cool little pcc
Where can I get magazines for that gun
Doesn't it also count as C&R?
Yes.
I remember seeing ads for them in the shotgun news when they were imported. They were relatively cheap considering the rarity and uniqueness.
Looks kinda like an early Mp40
lol yes it does
Salokin Sekwah The MP-41 was more based off this than the MP-38/40.
MP-40 after a month in Vaslui xD (Romanian joke)
Well, quite a nice concept
We still have a doctrine of supplying police forces with submachine guns, mainly the Carabinieri units being a "higher level" of law enforcers
The dirt can't get in through the roof as it's closed off,but easy access from the ground floor.
To see it in action: ruclips.net/video/BGeXlcfnfTk/видео.html The video is very short, but proves the amazing rate of fire of this weapon, the ancestor of the classic MAB 38.
the baionette is haped like that for a reason, Like old japanese spears they are 3 sided that makes a wound that will no close, or be sewed back together.
it was Federal Police Force.
seems like a surprisingly well designed gun, a bit more expensive than required with those decorations and what not but i'm sure it doesn't matter as much since it's for police use.
Do You think you'll ever do a video on the m1917 "American EinField"? (Sorry if you've already answered this question)
Would be a fun rifle.
Neat gun and history. If I ever get a pistol caliber carbine Id like it to be a converted SMG like this. 2 birds with 1 stone lol.
I dont have a spare 7k for 1 gun though, godamn...
sergeantbigmac yeah if I had 7k to drop on a gun, it would be a transferable Mac-10 or S&W 76. Not gonna spend that much money without actually buying a machine gun.
really strange that the magazine slot faces forward.. so anyone you point it at can see how many rounds you have loaded?
Guys why are there no firing videos of the beretta m1918 I looked it up and it said 5000 units were made yet I cant find a single video
The 91/30 procured buy the Argentine for the Policia de la Capital (renamed Policia Federal in the 40s) were in 9 mm Glisenti; fortunately the 9mm Parabellum fits ALMOST perfectly, but when you shoot that amme, which cycles and works fine, the stronger powder load makes the bolt open a tad before and you receive a few sparks, nothing important, but its somewhat annoying, but geting the 9 mm Glisenti ammo in out of the question.When I got mine it came with a simole canvas scabbard, the end was reinforced in leathe and it has a dry stal seal the says "Policia de la Capita"
In Argentine, just the Buenos Aires use this carbine. Because is not the sim service police in Bs As than the oter citys of Argentine. (Apologies for the mistaques in my writing)
the fakt that the slot in the mag is facing away from the shooter, gives an interesting edge to tje whole see the amunition deal... great idea but why would you want your oponent to see when you are going to run out?
I saw those growing up in Argentina
Why were the magazines placed so far in front of the triggers on early SMGs? That seems to defeat the purpose.
love it
That recoil spring system is really interesting. I wonder if you could adapter it to a 9mm AR and eliminate the need for a buffer tube.
is the trigger group typical browning (like a remi 8)? would actually make a classy little carbine with a 16 incher on front, like a marlin camp carbine from 85 years ago, lol
great job as always with the video
Why don't you put links to some earlier videos on weapons associated with the pattern, or another videos on the same thing ("Beretta 1918/30" and "Beretta M1918/30 and Beretta Bolt Comparison")?
that bolt looks near identical to a savage model 64 .22 bolt. wonder if any influence or connection exists?
I wonder how much trouble it would be to remake this with some slight tweeks using .380 ACP.
Reza grabado en el cajon de mecanismos, Pietro Beretta. Gardone Valle Trompia Italia, para los Carabinieris italianos
So what keeps the bolt open on an empty mag if it's the mag itself that trips the bolt home?
Any suggestions for 9mm Glisenti load? I know you can use 9mm Parabellum cases, bullets, and reloading equipment, but how about powder charges?
Here you go (in Italian, but the tables at the bottom are easily comprehensible). www.grurifrasca.net/Sito/Ricarica/pistole/9glisenti.html
I want one...
Hello Ian, this submachine gun kinda reminded me about the finnish KP/-31 and tried to find video from you to it. So i noticed that you havent done one on KP/-31, id be really really happy if you could do one for it and maybe even take some shots full auto.
Very interesting, yet quirky little carbine. I find it odd that they would leave the front of the magazine open, given that it would make it slightly more difficult to use as a guide to the rounds remaining, as well as if you used it as a crude fore-grip, the follower would hit your hand. Also, bayonets for riot use still strike me as just weird, but I guess they made do with simply modifying military gear and tactics against the civilian populace.
so would .380 work well in this gun or is that a bad idea?
Very unusual to see a bayonet on a gun issued to police.Do you have any examples of other police guns with this feature or any records of police actually using bayonets?
Id be willing to bet that that plastic buffer is either bakelite or some other kind of resin
Wow that bolt looks really strange, reminds me of the shroud thingy on an arisaka
Reminds me of the M1 carbine a little bit
would it be safe to shoot 9mm subsonic in it because it has a lower chamber pressure like the glisenti and the same dimensions
No. Use proper Glisenti ammunition.
I have a question
was it used in the spanish civil war ?
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interesting how the mag window is facing forward. i wouldn't have chosen that design
Can you please explain (if you know it) why some early auto guns had a top magazine and not bottom?
One reason is that gravity helped feed ammo into the gun so that the entire job was not put on the feeding mechanism.
That's an interesting question. I too would like to know.
I guess maybe it had to do with assisting feeding. Metallurgy and magazines weren't quite what they are now, so maybe some countries used top-loading magazines to make the magazines cheaper and to make feeding easier and simpler.
But idk for sure. That's just what I can surmise.
It has little to do with gravity-assisted feeding.
Almost all the early magazine-fed auto guns were designed to be used in prone position also.
To fire in prone position, bottom placed magazines are a nuisance.
For this reason, most of the magazine-fed LMGs had the top mounted magazines, and many og the SMGs until the end of WWII had the magazine placed laterally.
I think Neutron Alchemist and MrTangolizard are correct here
This weapon was also available in a top-loading magazine version: it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_MAB_18#/media/File:Beretta-1918_ex_ovp.gif
bakelite buffer maybe?
Underpowered 9x19 needed, huh? Can it feed .380? Would solve that issue.
Could you add the link for "download" 9mm cartridges?
Hopefully my 8Mbs bandwith will be enough, wouldn't want my bullets to get stuck in some server.
such a modern world we are living in. XD
from a total noob: i've notice you described certain safety mechanisms as "simple", like in this one. does a gun need a better safety? is this good enough? what is ideal safety? (okay... that's depends on many factors)
Ian called it simple becuase unlike "modern"/other safeties that can block the firing pin, or disable the trigger mechanism eternally, it just has a piece of metal that blocks the trigger. A far more simpler design.
i understand that, but do you need more than that? okay. i understand why disabling firing pin can add another level of security (especially for different causes).
+altair1983 yes, in many designs the mass of the trigger group can still be activated by a hard bump.