Their policy of replacing a weapon that has been seized for evidence in a defensive shooting, is GREAT !! I would hope more mfg would mimic this and become a lot more prevalent. Nice video, enjoy watching you guys. God Bless (us all)
I’m a sig guy , I hate the grip angle feel and look of glocks, that being said the shadow systems takes all the undesirable things out of glocks. I bought my shadow systems a month ago and replaced my sig to carry it. The shadow systems is hands down one of the best carry guns u can have.
I too am a sig guy and have only owned 1glock many years ago a glock 23 and absolutely hated it but the shadow systems mr920 has gotten my attention iam in the process of ordering one going with the combat optics ready with threaded bronze barrel I also love my HK's 45c and a p30 sk hoping this shadow systems lives up to everything and when a company will replace your weapon after using in self defense to me that's freaking awesome
@@stockscrypto101 sorry to let the suspense build... Glock is basically the same. Shadow Systems is just dressed up Glock. I don't have much experience with SIG. I had a P226. It was nice, but never had a SIG carry piece.
@@stockscrypto101owning both and just checking out an MR920 today….YES I would go shadow systems! Way more comfortable, natural, inspiring, impressive, all that.
Shadow Systems requires a break-in period because it has tighter tolerances compared to a Glock. Tigher tolerances means better accuracy and function once everything settles between barrel, slide, frame. Shadow System manual explicitly says that there is a 200 rounds break-in period. One can run the Glock slide on a Shadow frame but one cannot run a Shadow slide on a Glock frame, you have both pistols, try it! If one doesn’t care about tolerances and/or to maximize the accuracy of a weapon system then Shadow Systems might not be for you. Get a Glock and a Kalashnikov while you are at it. By the way I did break-in my MR920 Elite and the XR920 Elite with Winchester FMJ 115 gr. shooting 200 rounds on each with ZERO malfunction. Sold my G19 and G45 and will replace my G17 in the near future with a DR920. I guess to each their own!
@@briannguyen8062 I have not experienced any issue with magazines. I now have around 3,000 rounds on the XR920 and 500 rounds on the MR920. They both have been running flawlessly.
I got the MR920L and the first couple hundred rounds I only had 2 failures to feed after that I've put about 300 more and haven't had a issue. Just put on a holosun 407 green dot and it's way more accurate than I am lol
That being said, I had 2 malfunctions the first 100 rounds. However, after that, I have shot an additional 1500-1700(ish) with no issues of any sort. I trust it with my life, and the lives of my family, every day and every night. Hands down. And it is better than my 2 Glocks. In every way. Hands down
Thats expected, shadow systems says in their own videos that you need to mate the slide and rails together via firing it, aka break it in, before expecting any kind of reliability
I had 8 nose up malfunctions in the first 300 rds with steel cases ammo. It was Win USA forged. However in the last 1000 rds I’ve put through the gun there have been zero malfunctions. I stopped running steel cased ammo as it’s dirty and seemed to be a little underpowered. The gun runs flawlessly with every other ammo I’ve run through it.
The MR920 has a much tighter tolerance around the chamber and the slide all together. That is why there is the break in period. i do not completly disagree with it being out of the box ready to run but you should never carry a defense system that you are not familiar with. Thus the break in period which is really only 3 or 4 boxes takes most people 30 mins to 1 hr to shoot that.
They recommend a break in period of 150-200 rounds because they have tighter tolerances, Which is true. Most people who have had FTF issues stop having issues after that 200 round period. Just saying.
I love my MR920. I never had an issue with it not running or failing in any capacity. Another strong takeaway is their optics cut fits a variety of options. Also, being able to change the angle of the grip is awesome too. Overall I think it's a great gun at a great price for all of the options it has included.
Just bought an mr920 elite today. Set up up the grip and mounted a 508t. The optic mounting system is where this gun really shines. The fit is TIGHT! Absolutely no play and the mounting screws are at least 1/2” long and actually engage the entire length of the the screws. If you run a dot this gun is the one!
Interesting that your 508t fits tight. I just got two MR920Ls and 508Ts and they don't mount snuggly or tight at all. When I got ahold of someone at SS they said the 508 body is smaller than the 507 or trijicon RMR so it does have some play.
I bought my first shadow systems mr920 last fall for 699. (Combat, no optic cut or threaded barrel). It was a no brainer when gen 5’s were going for 650-700 at the rime and you still get the shitty Glock grip, shitty sights, shitty everything else that Glock offers. I had two last round feed issues within the first four mags through the gun. (With the supplied pmags) No issues since. Over 2500 now. All with strictly pmags. My second mr920 combat with optic cut in fde was 750. Had one, last round feed issue on the second mag through the gun. No issues since and it’s over 1500 now. Both pmags and oem Glock mags. My last shadow systems was supposed to be a Dr920 full size, but they had the Mr920L (g17 slide on a g19 frame) right beside it. I chose the 920L for more versatility with my couple dozen g19 mags. No issues from out of the box to 2700 rounds as of Saturday. It’s my favorite of the three. The mr920L is only offered in an elite version (window cuts on the slide, more serrations on the top, optic cuts etc). It was 999. The DR920 is offered in the elite version (msrp 999) and the combat with optic cut for msrp 899. The DR920 is not offfered in the non optic cut combat like the MR920 is. The optic cut adds a bit of cost, but is worth it for not having to use adapter plates and not having to run suppressor height sights like every other optic cut gun out there. A holosun 507c will 1/3 cowitness with stock height sights. To anyone thinking they are expensive glocks, we you couldn’t be more wrong. You can’t build these guns, with these options for the price. For someone that’s shoots, they are a bargain. If you don’t shoot, buy a 6-700 dollar Glock and be happy. Fwiw, my sig 938 had a broken-break in. Three trips to sig in 500 rounds. Xds45 when they were released had 3-4 failures in the first 100 rounds and nothing after. I had over 5k when I sent it in for the recall almost a decade ago.. my sig365, two broken strikers in 200 rounds. That was my last attempt at sigs. All guns need a break in. Especially anything with tighter fitting slides, barrels etc. the shadow systems are match grade guns I’ll never own another Glock And lastly, the model numbers don’t change every year. The model numbers are when they were designed. MR918 is a 9mm multi-role released in 2018. The mr920 was improved, with a new frame, bigger beaver tail, pat pending optics mounting system was the multi role 9mm released in 2020. The Dr920 was the 9mm duty size (full size) released in 2020 (delayed due to COVID). Not a paid shill, not affiliated with them. Bought all my own, been competitive shooting for 20 years and I was blown away with my first one. I’ll be a customer for life.
Those MR pistols usually have a break in period of a couple hundred rounds- I’ve experienced it personally. Other than that they are absolutely fantastic. Also - the MR920 elite is a couple ounces lighter than a normal Glock 19. Kind of nice for carry.
You build anything with tolerances there will be a break in. The big dude seems like he just lets to argue for the sake off. You a mfer boutique gun why wouldn't you think there was a break in. Especially if your big brands usually need a box sent through when brand new
Shadow Systems specifically states that they require a 200 round break in period. They have a video on RUclips about it. Tolerance is very tight on high end arms and often need this where you wouldn’t experience this with a budget gun.
Accurate but tactless with the “budget guns” comment. I’m sure you know there a are quality reliable, moderate price range fire arms that work as duty carry’s and are super reliable or with lower tolerances.
@@chrisjames483 I have four 19's and one 17 ALL had failure to feed on the first 2-3 mags. One, the 17 took about 100 rounds then has NEVER failed sense. Just by the way why 4 19's Son, Daughter and Wife.
@@BlackDiamondgunsandgear Properly engineered components need a break-in period. Shadow Systems addresses this in a video. It's just physics and metallurgy at work.
I just checked out the MR920 at my local dealer. I tried to disassemble it and the slide wouldn't come off. The store employees could not figure out what was wrong with it either. The trigger sounded messed up when dry firing to disassemble. They are sending it back. Two weeks later one of the employees bought one for himself and it shit the bed after the first shot. Same thing. So now I'm afraid to go down that road.
Will be interesting to see what they say. Not the easiest to take apart, for sure. You barely have to move the slide back...move it too far...and it will do that "stuck" thing where you have to rack the slide really hard to unstick it. Like all of the....um...challenges with these guns...there's a VIDEO addressing the problem and the "technique" to "fix" it. That bald guy sure is busy....LOL. Damn. The wife's MR920L Elite >is< loosening up after 500 or so rounds. Gonna be a range-only gun though.....
@@patrickbultemeier145 I'm still interested but is it worth it? Ammo isn't cheap anymore. They are twice the price of a Glock to start with and then you gotta break them in apparently.
@@Bepp2506 Up to you. I'd say it depends on your intended use and if you are looking for reliability out of the gate. (and no doubt down the line) As you can see, such a thing matters to some...and not so much to others. It definitely isn't a constant/given with these guns. Good luck. Be safe out there.
I had to send mine back the gun I bought had a defective slide. They currently have it and said they will be sending me a new slide. I bought a new barrel from them and put it in the gun and it kept getting stuck out of battery. Would not function at all. I though the new barrel was the issue but when I spoke with them they immediately knew it was a defective slide, so they are aware their slide are defective. I never would know the slide was defective until I put the new barrel in there because the barrel it came with worked pretty good compared to the new barrel. Out of 400 rounds I had 4 malfunctions, which is still pretty crappy for glock.
Was there a notable difference? I like to do research before buying any new gun and when I was about to grab a gen 5- G19 I seen the MR920 and wanted to see how it stacked up against it before buying it.
For the enhanced options you get on the optic cut ready pistol compared to a Stock G19 yeah it’s probably worth it. If you just want a stock one like this, I stay with the stock G19.
I'm having trouble with my Pmags feeding. I can only get a few rounds off the follower gets stuck and won't feed anymore rounds I'm able to just shake the mag around and the rounds will just fall out.
The MR920 is a sick handgun, I do agree with him on if someone buys it and doesn’t have time or ammo to taking it to the range before they may actually need to use it. I did a first impressions on mine, the break in period is 200 rnds by the way!
You could have an issue and not even know it. That's what happened to me please read below. I had to send mine back the gun I bought had a defective slide. They currently have it and said they will be sending me a new slide. I bought a new barrel from them and put it in the gun and it kept getting stuck out of battery. Would not function at all. I though the new barrel was the issue but when I spoke with them they immediately knew it was a defective slide, so they are aware their slide are defective. I never would know the slide was defective until I put the new barrel in there because the barrel it came with worked pretty good compared to the new barrel. Out of 400 rounds I had 4 malfunctions, which is still pretty crappy for glock.
I am picky as can be when it comes to guns. With that said, I replaced my vp9 tactical and my vp9 sk with the xr920 and the dr920. Thats how much I love shadow systems. These guns are just quality. Which is why the 200 round break in period is such a real thing. The tight tolerances these pistols are made with just require it because of this. But this should go for ANY pistol. They all should be broke in and ran. I love what this company has done with the Glock platform.
OEM glock barrel (other brands too) have softer material barrels, so there break in period is much much lower. A lot more than that of a gun built for competition shooting, which has harder, stronger barrels. Basically low end materials means you can shoot the gun in more or less peak performance, after just a few rounds but one with good, expensive materials has a longer break end period so you have to put rounds in to shoot at peak performance
I like my gen 5 19. Over 1000 rds so far. My ONLY issue is trigger reach. My trigger finger is just a tad short😡. Is the reach from the grip top to trigger face any different on the mr920? Thanks.
Solid video. I ended up purchasing the MR920L and the XR920. I like them quite a bit and their customer service is top notch. I asked them about the two pistols I have, if the slides can be swapped and this was their response: “They can be swapped. They will function perfectly well with either slide. You've basically figured out the secret combo that technically gives you four guns out of two. with those slides and frames you can configure not only your XR and MR-L, but a DR and standard MR as well. Regards, Cody McElroy /Technical Service Manager”
I have seen multiple malfunctions on Glock's with oem mags with aluminum case ammo, even our very experienced instructors point that out. The stuff that steel case ammo has on the casing can cause issues in my opinion.
I just got the CR920. It’s what the Glock 43 should have been. Have t had any issues yet. The mags are proprietary but it’s my daily as of yet. Loving this company so far
Just put first rounds thu my new cr. Went 150 without issue. Then a couple of light strikes and stove pipes. Groups were a bit wild, but I have watched just about every vid on RUclips about SS break in so I’m not too concerned. Think the light strikes were hard primers bc I could replicate the problem in another pistol. I did find out that the striker channel needs to be dry. If any lube gets in there an mixes with any ammo debris it will cause the striker to short stroke causing light strikes too. Another 100-150 rounds should settle things out the trigger noticeably improved with one sessions use. Good luck with yours!☘️
where did you find that factory OD green G19G5 with front serrations and no half moon?! Haven't seen that anywhere. Glock briefly put out a limited run of gray "original" G19G5s with no FS and the half moon, but I missed out on one. I wasn't too disappointed, though, considering those features weren't what I wanted. Been waiting for the 'new" G19G5s in factory colors.
We found 2 of them exactly alike at our LGS and bought them both lol this happened right before you couldn’t find any thing. Just thought they were cool enough to pick up lol
I have the DR920 elite and its the flattest shooting gun I ever shot. I have noticed that the PMAGs it comes with tend to mess up when shooting with steel casings. But I switched all my mags to glock mags with a plus 2 extension and I haven't had a single failure to feed or malfunction even when shooting with steel.
Shadow Systems & others have a break in period for barrel, spring, tigger, etc… generally avoid steel case until 100-300 new (not re-mfg) brass break in.
I just got one 2 days ago and took it to the range. Put 250 rounds through it, no failure to feed or stove pipes or anything. I will say the slide didn’t lock when emptied until about 4 mags in. But after that all is was great!
My gen 5 Glock 19 had THREE failure to feeds during its break in period. My Shadow Systems did NOT have any malfunctions. It shoots WAY better than the Glock in my hands anyway.
The break in period is due to the spring right .. this makes sense if you are using this type of spring. I accept this and it is a minor inconvenience to get a great gun.
I think the failure to feed came from the pmag whenever I use steel cased in mine I always have problems with feeding or the follower getting stock especially with winchester forged
Love the content!! I think every gun has a break-in period to any particular extent. Springs change over time, as do metal-on-metal parts, such as rails on a striker fire handgun. Glocks break in too.
I was saying that my Glock didn't have a break in period, but to be fair I dry fired that shit at least a 1000 times before the first time I took it to a competition. I know that with P80's they suggest manipulating the slide to break them in, so I just thought hey maybe that's part of why I don't have issues.
@@BlackDiamondgunsandgear it very well could have been the steel cased ammo you were using in conjunction. I've only ever used magpul mags in mine and it runs like a sewing machine.
Regardless of break-in, the firearm will be more reliable than the person firing it if they are not trained. Firearms have a break in period for a reason. This is standard. If you want to avoid break in and want reliability out the door, buy a revolver. If a person buys a firearm, the first thing they need is training and time behind the trigger to be able to safely use the firearm.
I have been a Glock's guy for a looooong time, my Glock over the years have had issues. Light primer strikes, ejection issues, accuracy issues. Is Glock perfect? NO!, is it a great tool? Yes!. There is not a line of firearms that have not had issues, that is why you have test your firearms and make sure that it will work during a worse case scenario. I just purchased a DR920 and will put it through its paces to ensure reliability as I do every tool I use for survival, I shot thousands of rounds with many different firearms and as a mechanical device nothing is perfect.
Thanks for the video. How is the slide/chamber finish holding up? Trigger should be about 5lbs. Wolf steel case ammo, YIKES! Thankfully, lots more ammo around now. Thx
I had a variety of issues with my MR920 out of the box. Switched to ETS mags and have never had a malfunction since. I would blame the ftf on the mags, not the MR920.
I carry the same SS mr920 but added the optic cut option. Its been a great daily carry option. I came from a Sig p365 XL as my daily and wanted a larger carry gun. Ran 250 rounds of brass through it first day no issues, and another 250 the next week no problems. It has fed 5 different brands of hollowpoints as well with no issues including 147g.
We’ll just upgrading the sights on a stock Glock that may or may not work out of the box can cost you about as much as the 200 rounds to complete the recommended break in that’s if you go with the Trijicon hd sights which are popular followed by the tfx sights I personally like the ameriglo with blacked out rear if a red dot is not an option. And the Glock don’t really matter if you can’t hit anything with it
Read the instructions for the Shadow Systems and it says shoot at least 200 rounds through it. Tighter tolerances need smoothing in for the metal contacts.
Have the mr920 elite for over a year now and it’s 100% fantastic with no failures in roughly 4-5 thousand rounds . The only complaint I have is that the trigger gets hot after 4-5 mags thru it so I wear gloves when I run it. My m&p 9C 4in is also superb but trigger never gets hot like my mr920 elite
Should be able to it’s a gen4 variant. That’s a adapter on a gen3 type guide rod they sell em and shadow did that. Some people like gen3 style rods more.
I heard a Shadow Systems rep say that their tolerances are so tight that they expect malfunctioning before a certain number of rounds. I forget the break in numbers.
I got lucky apparently. I have around 300 rounds through my MR920 foundation series and not a hiccup so far. Everything will eventually mess up but I haven't had anything happen so far. Very accurate compared to glocks in my hands. I like glocks but I like the shadow systems more, so far.
It's really not a Glock 19 it was built in house by them 100%, it's a pistol that just uses Glock parts but nothing about it is Glock 19 other than the size which every other gun manufacturer makes a gun that size. The grip angle backstraps the barrel the 1/3 co-witness the optic cut direct mounting system, I can go on and on. you buy a Glock MOS and trick it out it's not the same
They buy injection molded frames, barrels, and all other parts including slides from other manufacturer. The ONLY thing they do is mill slides, nothing else is produced in-house. The MR920 is essentially a kit gun .
@@Vicarium lmao that isn't even close to accurate. They manufacturer their own parts. Before they made guns they were known for their glock parts. Stop spreading misinformation on topics you clearly know nothing about
@@Vicarium this is directly from their website unless you're saying they're lying you're misinformed. "Shadow Systems is serious about becoming a leader in this industry and has invested in the resources to do it. We have created a manufacturing facility that allows us to do in-house manufacturing of slides, barrels, triggers, and internals. We have proprietary MIM and injection molding tooling for frames and small parts. All springs and connectors are manufactured to Shadow Systems engineering specifications, to provide upgraded performance and reliability. This investment offers unparalleled value for our customers in every product that we create." Looks like to me the only thing they don't make are Springs which pretty much all companies Outsource that
@@fullfire0well said.... it's so funny to me when people think they know, they just make things up before doing any type of research it's insane to me.
Just bought a mr920 combat (for an EDC, I don't want a window or any fancy thing and/or a light trigger), I just love it. I had a stock gen5 G19. The gen5's are really better than the other glocks IMHO. But, the MR920 (even if based on gen4) is the same but already modified as I would have done and less expensive at the end.
Warning you could have a defective slide and not even know it. Please read below. I had to send mine back the gun I bought had a defective slide. They currently have it and said they will be sending me a new slide. I bought a new barrel from them and put it in the gun and it kept getting stuck out of battery. Would not function at all. I though the new barrel was the issue but when I spoke with them they immediately knew it was a defective slide, so they are aware their slide are defective. I never would know the slide was defective until I put the new barrel in there because the barrel it came with worked pretty good compared to the new barrel. Out of 400 rounds I had 4 malfunctions, 3 of which were after the break in period which is still pretty crappy for glock. I will be selling this turd when I get the new slide.
Could be the mags. I bought like 10 Magpul 21rnd mags for my P80 and and ALL of them hated steel. Maybe it would wear in? Idk, my BCM doesn't like steel either. Ammo isn't THAT expensive, all said, the extra $1 a box for brass to ensure reliable function isn't a big deal to me.
No, it's not the ammo. I have over 1000 rds through my XR920, switched to OEM mags and it still has the issues. Blazer, Hornady, Federal, etc. It doesn't run and has consistent failures to feed. Will be trading it in first chance I get. I wanted it to work out but at this point I'm not gonna trust my life to it at all.
Awesome video, you're easy on the ears for sure. Shadow Systems uses traditional barrel rifling. I've seen a few FTFs on new SSs, seems to be a break-in issue. Honestly, this is why I've hesitated. None of my Glocks needed a break-in.
Just saying my experience, I've owned 2 glocks. Neither ran steel well. It's the reason I sold my first glock and didn't get another one for 5 or so years. It jams on steel about every other mag. The only reason I bought a glock was so my friends could compare a glock to the rest of mine and their guns. .... And maybe I just have bad luck with glocks... idk...
i have several people that i know are devoted glock guys, not one or any of mine have had a problem with steel case. its like one of their selling points lol
@@BlackDiamondgunsandgear I'm glad to hear! I'm not against glock or any other brand, to me training is more important then the gun you run. But I bought a glock 19x new on a black Friday sale and it jammed twice on the first 30 or so rounds, (to the amusement of everyone there) and still does once about every mag of steel. Could be ammo, but its exactly what I used to run into a couple years ago with a gen 4 glock 17, and no other guns I have had ever had an issue shooting it. With brass, 300 rounds so far 100%. Once my holster gets here I'll have no reserve putting it into carry rotation. Just a weird thing I've found with the glocks I've owned. And honestly, I'm hoping it'll brake in sometime and run steel no problem!
Shadow Systems released a video explaining why a break-in period is necessary for their pistols. You see break in periods required for ALL high-end pistols with any tightly fitted components. Just check out any good custom-fitted 1911. You will get malfunctions in the first 10 mags, then they will run as reliably as any other platform. The parts are fit tighter for better accuracy. This is why Les Baer can offer a 1.5" group @ 50 yards guarantee on their custom 1911s. They will also not accept returns if you haven't put a few hundred rounds through the pistol. Malfunctions in the first handful of mags is often a sign of quality craftsmanship, not general unreliability.
I put 350 through my combat 920 the week after I bought it. 0 malfunctions, all 350 straight through. Worst part about the gun is the choice to go Plastic mags and I say that having not had any problems with any of my many pmags
I Only150 through mine brass steel alum cased n some SD ammo 50g liberty, 76g underwood and 50 s&b n a few crit duty forgot the grain, the rest were a mix of blazer alum n tula 115 n had 0 failures
It requires some break in because the barrel to slide lock up is fitted tight and requires some action to 'wear in'. In the end, you'll have a tighter, more accurate firearm.
That's the great thing about Opinions when it comes to break-in periods! Opinions are like A-Holes, everyone has them, and alot of times they stink!!!!!! Anything Mechanical, could and probably should/does have a break-in period. But as I was told when I was younger, "Ignorance is an Abyss".
I’m a Glock fan boy and gunsmith, I own two shadow systems firearms and the reason for a break in is clear. You keep saying there shouldn’t be a break in, why shouldn’t there be? The tolerances on the SS are much tighter than a Glock, just look at the barrel lock up on a stock Glock Compared to a shadow systems and that should tell you everything you need to know.
I have three of just about the exact same model gun (not a Shadow Systems) 1 has never had any issues at all, 1 had a couple of failed feeds and failed ejects, and one had a very minor issue with going into battery a couple of times (though unsure if that was me or the gun on that one). All three guns now have about 800+ rounds each through them and they will eat any ammo I run through them. All issues I had with them were in the first 100 - 200 rounds. Also in this video it was only one malfunction and you only shot a couple of mags through each one. Yes it happened in less then 50 shots but that may be the only one that gun ever has and any gun runs the chance of that happening at some point in its life. Which is why you should be prepared to clear issues like that quickly. Now I will agree that many people will buy a gun and never shoot it until they have to so it should work out of the box, but at the same time that is why you should have one in the chamber because you know that one will work unless there is a major issue with the firing pin or it is a dud round. But hell I have seen people buy their first gun and not even get ammo for it. We have to get new gun owners to understand they need to practice or at the very least go shoot a box through it to make sure there are no issues with it before they trust their life with it.
Night sights, optic cut, some additional slide cutting, stainless firing pin, and a steel guide rod = $350-$400 above a Glock, and I'm not sure it's worth that. $775 for a Glock MOS w/night sights vs $980 for a SS that has an optic cut. I just can't agree to having to pay a grand just to be optic ready. Consider how many companies are offering optic cuts standard.
Been a while since I've seen palm tats, I have both of mine and that shit sucked haha. I recently got the MR920 Elite and got a streamlight TLR-1 HL and a Holosun 507C X2 and I absolutely love it. It's everything I wish a glock was
Could have saved you the cold hands and told you right away that Glock would run that steel case ammo no problem. I agree w/ you on the break-in period. My Glocks never had a failure no matter what ammo, I never have to worry about it. Some of the Shadow Systems run flawlessly and some need a break in, to me it just raises questions on whether it just needs to be broken in or it just runs poorly. Plus, it uses PMAGS which are not reliable for Glock. No thanks, things I don’t have to worry about with my Glock 19.
Their policy of replacing a weapon that has been seized for evidence in a defensive shooting, is GREAT !! I would hope more mfg would mimic this and become a lot more prevalent.
Nice video, enjoy watching you guys.
God Bless (us all)
I agree! Thanks man we appreciate it!
You might want to read the fine print on that one, it’s only for line of duty situations for LE.
That’s one of the reasons why I bought mine. Plus, it’s an American company.
@@scottpearson199 I just got the MR920 Elite and when I talked to them I brought that up and they didn't say anything about LE.
@@scottpearson199 Yeah I think so to.
I’m a sig guy , I hate the grip angle feel and look of glocks, that being said the shadow systems takes all the undesirable things out of glocks. I bought my shadow systems a month ago and replaced my sig to carry it. The shadow systems is hands down one of the best carry guns u can have.
I too am a sig guy and have only owned 1glock many years ago a glock 23 and absolutely hated it but the shadow systems mr920 has gotten my attention iam in the process of ordering one going with the combat optics ready with threaded bronze barrel I also love my HK's 45c and a p30 sk hoping this shadow systems lives up to everything and when a company will replace your weapon after using in self defense to me that's freaking awesome
I love Shadow Systems. I now have three and they are my go to pistol. I love some of the other popular manufacturers, but Shadow is my favorite
would you recommend it over Glock and sig?
@@stockscrypto101 sorry to let the suspense build... Glock is basically the same. Shadow Systems is just dressed up Glock. I don't have much experience with SIG. I had a P226. It was nice, but never had a SIG carry piece.
@@stockscrypto101owning both and just checking out an MR920 today….YES I would go shadow systems! Way more comfortable, natural, inspiring, impressive, all that.
Shadow Systems requires a break-in period because it has tighter tolerances compared to a Glock. Tigher tolerances means better accuracy and function once everything settles between barrel, slide, frame. Shadow System manual explicitly says that there is a 200 rounds break-in period. One can run the Glock slide on a Shadow frame but one cannot run a Shadow slide on a Glock frame, you have both pistols, try it! If one doesn’t care about tolerances and/or to maximize the accuracy of a weapon system then Shadow Systems might not be for you. Get a Glock and a Kalashnikov while you are at it. By the way I did break-in my MR920 Elite and the XR920 Elite with Winchester FMJ 115 gr. shooting 200 rounds on each with ZERO malfunction. Sold my G19 and G45 and will replace my G17 in the near future with a DR920. I guess to each their own!
Any mag issues ? Some people said they had the issue of them following out while shooting
@@briannguyen8062 I have not experienced any issue with magazines. I now have around 3,000 rounds on the XR920 and 500 rounds on the MR920. They both have been running flawlessly.
@@Duda4711 what brand mags do you run? Or do you run just any Glock mag
@@noahstevens6427 I run both, the PMags that comes with the pistol and Glock. Most of my range work is done with Glock Gen 5 mags.
I got the MR920L and the first couple hundred rounds I only had 2 failures to feed after that I've put about 300 more and haven't had a issue. Just put on a holosun 407 green dot and it's way more accurate than I am lol
That being said, I had 2 malfunctions the first 100 rounds.
However, after that, I have shot an additional 1500-1700(ish) with no issues of any sort. I trust it with my life, and the lives of my family, every day and every night. Hands down.
And it is better than my 2 Glocks. In every way. Hands down
I agree totally. I love mine !
@@darylragland1502 how does it do with steel case?
Thats expected, shadow systems says in their own videos that you need to mate the slide and rails together via firing it, aka break it in, before expecting any kind of reliability
@@jakehoward4881 200 round break in period
I had 8 nose up malfunctions in the first 300 rds with steel cases ammo. It was Win USA forged. However in the last 1000 rds I’ve put through the gun there have been zero malfunctions. I stopped running steel cased ammo as it’s dirty and seemed to be a little underpowered. The gun runs flawlessly with every other ammo I’ve run through it.
The Free replacement takes the cake, they are about to get my business moving forward!
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The MR920 has a much tighter tolerance around the chamber and the slide all together. That is why there is the break in period. i do not completly disagree with it being out of the box ready to run but you should never carry a defense system that you are not familiar with. Thus the break in period which is really only 3 or 4 boxes takes most people 30 mins to 1 hr to shoot that.
They recommend a break in period of 150-200 rounds because they have tighter tolerances, Which is true. Most people who have had FTF issues stop having issues after that 200 round period. Just saying.
Yup
I love my MR920. I never had an issue with it not running or failing in any capacity. Another strong takeaway is their optics cut fits a variety of options. Also, being able to change the angle of the grip is awesome too. Overall I think it's a great gun at a great price for all of the options it has included.
I’m picking mine up Sunday. I’m very excited!
Just bought an mr920 elite today. Set up up the grip and mounted a 508t. The optic mounting system is where this gun really shines. The fit is TIGHT! Absolutely no play and the mounting screws are at least 1/2” long and actually engage the entire length of the the screws. If you run a dot this gun is the one!
Interesting that your 508t fits tight. I just got two MR920Ls and 508Ts and they don't mount snuggly or tight at all. When I got ahold of someone at SS they said the 508 body is smaller than the 507 or trijicon RMR so it does have some play.
I bought my first shadow systems mr920 last fall for 699. (Combat, no optic cut or threaded barrel). It was a no brainer when gen 5’s were going for 650-700 at the rime and you still get the shitty Glock grip, shitty sights, shitty everything else that Glock offers. I had two last round feed issues within the first four mags through the gun. (With the supplied pmags) No issues since. Over 2500 now. All with strictly pmags.
My second mr920 combat with optic cut in fde was 750. Had one, last round feed issue on the second mag through the gun. No issues since and it’s over 1500 now. Both pmags and oem Glock mags.
My last shadow systems was supposed to be a Dr920 full size, but they had the Mr920L (g17 slide on a g19 frame) right beside it. I chose the 920L for more versatility with my couple dozen g19 mags. No issues from out of the box to 2700 rounds as of Saturday. It’s my favorite of the three. The mr920L is only offered in an elite version (window cuts on the slide, more serrations on the top, optic cuts etc). It was 999. The DR920 is offered in the elite version (msrp 999) and the combat with optic cut for msrp 899. The DR920 is not offfered in the non optic cut combat like the MR920 is. The optic cut adds a bit of cost, but is worth it for not having to use adapter plates and not having to run suppressor height sights like every other optic cut gun out there. A holosun 507c will 1/3 cowitness with stock height sights.
To anyone thinking they are expensive glocks, we you couldn’t be more wrong. You can’t build these guns, with these options for the price. For someone that’s shoots, they are a bargain. If you don’t shoot, buy a 6-700 dollar Glock and be happy.
Fwiw, my sig 938 had a broken-break in. Three trips to sig in 500 rounds. Xds45 when they were released had 3-4 failures in the first 100 rounds and nothing after. I had over 5k when I sent it in for the recall almost a decade ago.. my sig365, two broken strikers in 200 rounds. That was my last attempt at sigs. All guns need a break in. Especially anything with tighter fitting slides, barrels etc. the shadow systems are match grade guns I’ll never own another Glock
And lastly, the model numbers don’t change every year. The model numbers are when they were designed. MR918 is a 9mm multi-role released in 2018. The mr920 was improved, with a new frame, bigger beaver tail, pat pending optics mounting system was the multi role 9mm released in 2020. The Dr920 was the 9mm duty size (full size) released in 2020 (delayed due to COVID).
Not a paid shill, not affiliated with them. Bought all my own, been competitive shooting for 20 years and I was blown away with my first one. I’ll be a customer for life.
Those MR pistols usually have a break in period of a couple hundred rounds- I’ve experienced it personally. Other than that they are absolutely fantastic. Also - the MR920 elite is a couple ounces lighter than a normal Glock 19. Kind of nice for carry.
You build anything with tolerances there will be a break in. The big dude seems like he just lets to argue for the sake off. You a mfer boutique gun why wouldn't you think there was a break in. Especially if your big brands usually need a box sent through when brand new
Do you like it better than the g19?
I love my MR920, it is my EDC and has been since I bought it. I have run steel case through mine with no issue, about 100 rounds.
I think this was a combination of magazine and ammo
@@treeman4262 The one that came already on it out of the box, I think itis the medium.
Had the DR920 for a couple months now. Full size version. Love it. No problems so far.
Shadow Systems specifically states that they require a 200 round break in period. They have a video on RUclips about it. Tolerance is very tight on high end arms and often need this where you wouldn’t experience this with a budget gun.
We understand that. What I’m saying is. It shouldn’t need one
Half my glocks had failure to feed on the first mag. That's 2 of 4.
Accurate but tactless with the “budget guns” comment. I’m sure you know there a are quality reliable, moderate price range fire arms that work as duty carry’s and are super reliable or with lower tolerances.
@@chrisjames483 I have four 19's and one 17 ALL had failure to feed on the first 2-3 mags. One, the 17 took about 100 rounds then has NEVER failed sense. Just by the way why 4 19's Son, Daughter and Wife.
@@BlackDiamondgunsandgear Properly engineered components need a break-in period. Shadow Systems addresses this in a video. It's just physics and metallurgy at work.
I just checked out the MR920 at my local dealer. I tried to disassemble it and the slide wouldn't come off. The store employees could not figure out what was wrong with it either. The trigger sounded messed up when dry firing to disassemble. They are sending it back. Two weeks later one of the employees bought one for himself and it shit the bed after the first shot. Same thing. So now I'm afraid to go down that road.
Wow that’s crazy never heard anything like that from this company
Will be interesting to see what they say. Not the easiest to take apart, for sure. You barely have to move the slide back...move it too far...and it will do that "stuck" thing where you have to rack the slide really hard to unstick it. Like all of the....um...challenges with these guns...there's a VIDEO addressing the problem and the "technique" to "fix" it. That bald guy sure is busy....LOL. Damn. The wife's MR920L Elite >is< loosening up after 500 or so rounds. Gonna be a range-only gun though.....
@@patrickbultemeier145 I'm still interested but is it worth it? Ammo isn't cheap anymore. They are twice the price of a Glock to start with and then you gotta break them in apparently.
@@Bepp2506 Up to you. I'd say it depends on your intended use and if you are looking for reliability out of the gate. (and no doubt down the line) As you can see, such a thing matters to some...and not so much to others. It definitely isn't a constant/given with these guns. Good luck. Be safe out there.
No break in period for anything is not good would u do do yhe same on ur motorcycle?
I have almost 1000 rounds through my 920. My EDC after breaking it in. Not a single malfunction yet.
I had to send mine back the gun I bought had a defective slide. They currently have it and said they will be sending me a new slide. I bought a new barrel from them and put it in the gun and it kept getting stuck out of battery. Would not function at all. I though the new barrel was the issue but when I spoke with them they immediately knew it was a defective slide, so they are aware their slide are defective.
I never would know the slide was defective until I put the new barrel in there because the barrel it came with worked pretty good compared to the new barrel. Out of 400 rounds I had 4 malfunctions, which is still pretty crappy for glock.
@@jacobjohnson6766 what barrel did you buy? Do you have the combat or elite model?
Do you use the P Mags it came with? I’d like to use Glock oem mags, but heard some negative things about them dropping out/wearing down.
Was there a notable difference? I like to do research before buying any new gun and when I was about to grab a gen 5- G19 I seen the MR920 and wanted to see how it stacked up against it before buying it.
For the enhanced options you get on the optic cut ready pistol compared to a Stock G19 yeah it’s probably worth it. If you just want a stock one like this, I stay with the stock G19.
I'm having trouble with my Pmags feeding. I can only get a few rounds off the follower gets stuck and won't feed anymore rounds I'm able to just shake the mag around and the rounds will just fall out.
I would most definitely not use pmags, use OEM mags for reliability
The MR920 is a sick handgun, I do agree with him on if someone buys it and doesn’t have time or ammo to taking it to the range before they may actually need to use it. I did a first impressions on mine, the break in period is 200 rnds by the way!
You could have an issue and not even know it. That's what happened to me please read below.
I had to send mine back the gun I bought had a defective slide. They currently have it and said they will be sending me a new slide. I bought a new barrel from them and put it in the gun and it kept getting stuck out of battery. Would not function at all. I though the new barrel was the issue but when I spoke with them they immediately knew it was a defective slide, so they are aware their slide are defective.
I never would know the slide was defective until I put the new barrel in there because the barrel it came with worked pretty good compared to the new barrel. Out of 400 rounds I had 4 malfunctions, which is still pretty crappy for glock.
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I am picky as can be when it comes to guns. With that said, I replaced my vp9 tactical and my vp9 sk with the xr920 and the dr920. Thats how much I love shadow systems. These guns are just quality. Which is why the 200 round break in period is such a real thing. The tight tolerances these pistols are made with just require it because of this. But this should go for ANY pistol. They all should be broke in and ran. I love what this company has done with the Glock platform.
OEM glock barrel (other brands too) have softer material barrels, so there break in period is much much lower. A lot more than that of a gun built for competition shooting, which has harder, stronger barrels. Basically low end materials means you can shoot the gun in more or less peak performance, after just a few rounds but one with good, expensive materials has a longer break end period so you have to put rounds in to shoot at peak performance
I like my gen 5 19. Over 1000 rds so far. My ONLY issue is trigger reach. My trigger finger is just a tad short😡. Is the reach from the grip top to trigger face any different on the mr920? Thanks.
Solid video. I ended up purchasing the MR920L and the XR920. I like them quite a bit and their customer service is top notch. I asked them about the two pistols I have, if the slides can be swapped and this was their response:
“They can be swapped. They will function perfectly well with either slide. You've basically figured out the secret combo that technically gives you four guns out of two. with those slides and frames you can configure not only your XR and MR-L, but a DR and standard MR as well.
Regards,
Cody McElroy /Technical Service Manager”
If u do a private sell do they still honor the replacement?🤔
Are the internals touched-up, made-in-america glock 19 parts?
Not sure actually
100% made in the USA.
We just got three pistols from Shadow Systems at work, they are all nice. Can't wait to get them to the range. **
Oooohhhh yeah!
In my experience the pmag glock mags don't run steel well. Tends to hang up in the mag.
Agreed
I have seen multiple malfunctions on Glock's with oem mags with aluminum case ammo, even our very experienced instructors point that out. The stuff that steel case ammo has on the casing can cause issues in my opinion.
BTW, so these come with pmags? Do pmags run just as reliable as Glock mags?
No they do not.
Love my 920. Mine had a couple failure to feed issues 1st two mags run. Could thousand rounds with 0 issues since.
Shadow systems do have tighter barrel lock ups than a standard glock, increased accuracy but it adds a break in period to the gun.
With the MR being the similar to the 19 is the DR similar to the 17?
yes
I think it's a deal for someone who shoots a lot, but for someone who doesn't shoot much, buy a g19, it will be easier to sell down the road.
Glock sucks.sig is better
I just got the CR920. It’s what the Glock 43 should have been. Have t had any issues yet. The mags are proprietary but it’s my daily as of yet. Loving this company so far
Just put first rounds thu my new cr. Went 150 without issue. Then a couple of light strikes and stove pipes. Groups were a bit wild, but I have watched just about every vid on RUclips about SS break in so I’m not too concerned. Think the light strikes were hard primers bc I could replicate the problem in another pistol. I did find out that the striker channel needs to be dry. If any lube gets in there an mixes with any ammo debris it will cause the striker to short stroke causing light strikes too. Another 100-150 rounds should settle things out the trigger noticeably improved with one sessions use. Good luck with yours!☘️
where did you find that factory OD green G19G5 with front serrations and no half moon?! Haven't seen that anywhere. Glock briefly put out a limited run of gray "original" G19G5s with no FS and the half moon, but I missed out on one. I wasn't too disappointed, though, considering those features weren't what I wanted. Been waiting for the 'new" G19G5s in factory colors.
We found 2 of them exactly alike at our LGS and bought them both lol this happened right before you couldn’t find any thing. Just thought they were cool enough to pick up lol
I have the DR920 elite and its the flattest shooting gun I ever shot. I have noticed that the PMAGs it comes with tend to mess up when shooting with steel casings. But I switched all my mags to glock mags with a plus 2 extension and I haven't had a single failure to feed or malfunction even when shooting with steel.
I just bought the XR920 and it’s an awesome gun. There’s most definitely a “break-in” period, but, it shoots and feels great!
Yes
Shadow Systems & others have a break in period for barrel, spring, tigger, etc… generally avoid steel case until 100-300 new (not re-mfg) brass break in.
Good to know
I just got one 2 days ago and took it to the range. Put 250 rounds through it, no failure to feed or stove pipes or anything. I will say the slide didn’t lock when emptied until about 4 mags in. But after that all is was great!
My gen 5 Glock 19 had THREE failure to feeds during its break in period.
My Shadow Systems did NOT have any malfunctions. It shoots WAY better than the Glock in my hands anyway.
The break in period is due to the spring right .. this makes sense if you are using this type of spring. I accept this and it is a minor inconvenience to get a great gun.
I think the failure to feed came from the pmag whenever I use steel cased in mine I always have problems with feeding or the follower getting stock especially with winchester forged
I 100% agree looking back on it
Love the content!! I think every gun has a break-in period to any particular extent. Springs change over time, as do metal-on-metal parts, such as rails on a striker fire handgun. Glocks break in too.
I was saying that my Glock didn't have a break in period, but to be fair I dry fired that shit at least a 1000 times before the first time I took it to a competition. I know that with P80's they suggest manipulating the slide to break them in, so I just thought hey maybe that's part of why I don't have issues.
AND.... SS requires a 200 round break in period. That being said, I have an MR920 Combat and have had zero issues from day 1.
I think ours was just mag related those Magpul mags aren’t the best
@@BlackDiamondgunsandgear it very well could have been the steel cased ammo you were using in conjunction. I've only ever used magpul mags in mine and it runs like a sewing machine.
Regardless of break-in, the firearm will be more reliable than the person firing it if they are not trained.
Firearms have a break in period for a reason. This is standard. If you want to avoid break in and want reliability out the door, buy a revolver. If a person buys a firearm, the first thing they need is training and time behind the trigger to be able to safely use the firearm.
If you're using the magpul magazines that come with the MR920, those mags have some issued with steel cased ammo.
Yes that’s what we have come to find out
I have been a Glock's guy for a looooong time, my Glock over the years have had issues. Light primer strikes, ejection issues, accuracy issues. Is Glock perfect? NO!, is it a great tool? Yes!. There is not a line of firearms that have not had issues, that is why you have test your firearms and make sure that it will work during a worse case scenario. I just purchased a DR920 and will put it through its paces to ensure reliability as I do every tool I use for survival, I shot thousands of rounds with many different firearms and as a mechanical device nothing is perfect.
Good thing you haven't had a failure feed on that Glock. You need accuracy through volume, it seems..
Thanks for the video. How is the slide/chamber finish holding up? Trigger should be about 5lbs. Wolf steel case ammo, YIKES! Thankfully, lots more ammo around now. Thx
I had a variety of issues with my MR920 out of the box. Switched to ETS mags and have never had a malfunction since. I would blame the ftf on the mags, not the MR920.
My HK had a break in period. Tried running 115 grain and had a couple FTE. Put 250 rounds of 124 gr through and all good now
I carry the same SS mr920 but added the optic cut option. Its been a great daily carry option. I came from a Sig p365 XL as my daily and wanted a larger carry gun. Ran 250 rounds of brass through it first day no issues, and another 250 the next week no problems. It has fed 5 different brands of hollowpoints as well with no issues including 147g.
We’ll just upgrading the sights on a stock Glock that may or may not work out of the box can cost you about as much as the 200 rounds to complete the recommended break in that’s if you go with the Trijicon hd sights which are popular followed by the tfx sights I personally like the ameriglo with blacked out rear if a red dot is not an option. And the Glock don’t really matter if you can’t hit anything with it
Hi guys thank you for the video, I'm in South Africa how can I get this gun.
That’s a good question my man, I would have no idea where to tell u to start lol
Read the instructions for the Shadow Systems and it says shoot at least 200 rounds through it. Tighter tolerances need smoothing in for the metal contacts.
Have the mr920 elite for over a year now and it’s 100% fantastic with no failures in roughly 4-5 thousand rounds . The only complaint I have is that the trigger gets hot after 4-5 mags thru it so I wear gloves when I run it. My m&p 9C 4in is also superb but trigger never gets hot like my mr920 elite
Can you put a double recoil spring in it ?
Should be able to it’s a gen4 variant. That’s a adapter on a gen3 type guide rod they sell em and shadow did that. Some people like gen3 style rods more.
I heard a Shadow Systems rep say that their tolerances are so tight that they expect malfunctioning before a certain number of rounds. I forget the break in numbers.
200 rounds. That's what my manual says. First 50 I had a couple issues. After... Nothing at all
I love how fair and honest yall are I'm a lifetime viewer now
Thanks man!
i agree there shouldn't be a break in period ive owned 5 different m&p guns they all just worked right out the box.
Exactly
I got lucky apparently. I have around 300 rounds through my MR920 foundation series and not a hiccup so far. Everything will eventually mess up but I haven't had anything happen so far. Very accurate compared to glocks in my hands. I like glocks but I like the shadow systems more, so far.
It has a break in period around 250 rounds.
Cool
It's really not a Glock 19 it was built in house by them 100%, it's a pistol that just uses Glock parts but nothing about it is Glock 19 other than the size which every other gun manufacturer makes a gun that size. The grip angle backstraps the barrel the 1/3 co-witness the optic cut direct mounting system, I can go on and on. you buy a Glock MOS and trick it out it's not the same
Exactly. They didn't start with a glock and customize it, they built it from the ground up.
They buy injection molded frames, barrels, and all other parts including slides from other manufacturer. The ONLY thing they do is mill slides, nothing else is produced in-house. The MR920 is essentially a kit gun .
@@Vicarium lmao that isn't even close to accurate. They manufacturer their own parts. Before they made guns they were known for their glock parts. Stop spreading misinformation on topics you clearly know nothing about
@@Vicarium this is directly from their website unless you're saying they're lying you're misinformed.
"Shadow Systems is serious about becoming a leader in this industry and has invested in the resources to do it. We have created a manufacturing facility that allows us to do in-house manufacturing of slides, barrels, triggers, and internals. We have proprietary MIM and injection molding tooling for frames and small parts. All springs and connectors are manufactured to Shadow Systems engineering specifications, to provide upgraded performance and reliability. This investment offers unparalleled value for our customers in every product that we create."
Looks like to me the only thing they don't make are Springs which pretty much all companies Outsource that
@@fullfire0well said.... it's so funny to me when people think they know, they just make things up before doing any type of research it's insane to me.
The trigger is between 4 and 5 pounds
Just bought a mr920 combat (for an EDC, I don't want a window or any fancy thing and/or a light trigger), I just love it.
I had a stock gen5 G19. The gen5's are really better than the other glocks IMHO. But, the MR920 (even if based on gen4) is the same but already modified as I would have done and less expensive at the end.
The free replacement just helps sell me. But your right. Shouldn't need a break in. Shit Should just work. That is all.
Thank you lol
A shadow systems is a pistol actually worth the asking price. My mr920 elite is my EDC, its replaced my glock 19x
Nice!
Warning you could have a defective slide and not even know it. Please read below.
I had to send mine back the gun I bought had a defective slide. They currently have it and said they will be sending me a new slide. I bought a new barrel from them and put it in the gun and it kept getting stuck out of battery. Would not function at all. I though the new barrel was the issue but when I spoke with them they immediately knew it was a defective slide, so they are aware their slide are defective.
I never would know the slide was defective until I put the new barrel in there because the barrel it came with worked pretty good compared to the new barrel. Out of 400 rounds I had 4 malfunctions, 3 of which were after the break in period which is still pretty crappy for glock.
I will be selling this turd when I get the new slide.
Good to know
Loved the review and seeing it without the optic, you should dig that round out of the table at 4:38, probably could trade it for a tank of gas
Hahahahha unfortunately
Could be the mags. I bought like 10 Magpul 21rnd mags for my P80 and and ALL of them hated steel. Maybe it would wear in?
Idk, my BCM doesn't like steel either. Ammo isn't THAT expensive, all said, the extra $1 a box for brass to ensure reliable function isn't a big deal to me.
It most definitely is
No, it's not the ammo. I have over 1000 rds through my XR920, switched to OEM mags and it still has the issues. Blazer, Hornady, Federal, etc. It doesn't run and has consistent failures to feed. Will be trading it in first chance I get. I wanted it to work out but at this point I'm not gonna trust my life to it at all.
Great video my brothers. Great video. I have the MR 920 White dot. Looking for good night sights
I would go with Trijicon. Pricey but great
My Pmags n glock mags work the same with Any ammo.. In my xr920 elite
I'm digging the shadows . I gotta come to Tennessee
Yes sir come on down lol
I love my mr920 it cycles +p 9mm, normal 9mm, and some 9mm with light 90 gr loaded at 1140 fps
I bought a MR920,took it to the range and loved it. I went and bought another MR920 2 weeks later lol
Lol
I did same thing lol
Awesome video, you're easy on the ears for sure.
Shadow Systems uses traditional barrel rifling.
I've seen a few FTFs on new SSs, seems to be a break-in issue. Honestly, this is why I've hesitated. None of my Glocks needed a break-in.
That’s all I’m saying lol but I get it lol
I'm seeing and hearing good things about this company but as of right now I would put the Walther PPQ up on the range with this.
Just saying my experience, I've owned 2 glocks. Neither ran steel well. It's the reason I sold my first glock and didn't get another one for 5 or so years. It jams on steel about every other mag. The only reason I bought a glock was so my friends could compare a glock to the rest of mine and their guns. .... And maybe I just have bad luck with glocks... idk...
i have several people that i know are devoted glock guys, not one or any of mine have had a problem with steel case. its like one of their selling points lol
@@BlackDiamondgunsandgear I'm glad to hear! I'm not against glock or any other brand, to me training is more important then the gun you run. But I bought a glock 19x new on a black Friday sale and it jammed twice on the first 30 or so rounds, (to the amusement of everyone there) and still does once about every mag of steel. Could be ammo, but its exactly what I used to run into a couple years ago with a gen 4 glock 17, and no other guns I have had ever had an issue shooting it. With brass, 300 rounds so far 100%. Once my holster gets here I'll have no reserve putting it into carry rotation. Just a weird thing I've found with the glocks I've owned. And honestly, I'm hoping it'll brake in sometime and run steel no problem!
Just ordered mine based on this review thanks guys 👍🏼
Yes sir
Shadow Systems released a video explaining why a break-in period is necessary for their pistols. You see break in periods required for ALL high-end pistols with any tightly fitted components. Just check out any good custom-fitted 1911. You will get malfunctions in the first 10 mags, then they will run as reliably as any other platform. The parts are fit tighter for better accuracy. This is why Les Baer can offer a 1.5" group @ 50 yards guarantee on their custom 1911s. They will also not accept returns if you haven't put a few hundred rounds through the pistol. Malfunctions in the first handful of mags is often a sign of quality craftsmanship, not general unreliability.
I bought a DR 920 elite and it fits perfectly
I put 350 through my combat 920 the week after I bought it. 0 malfunctions, all 350 straight through. Worst part about the gun is the choice to go Plastic mags and I say that having not had any problems with any of my many pmags
It will take Glock mags. You probably already know this but just in case you don’t.
I wish the rear sight had tritium dots as well. I’m old school and know how to use traditional sights. To me optics belong on long guns..
My opinion on the big man is he needs a little more range time.
I Only150 through mine brass steel alum cased n some SD ammo 50g liberty, 76g underwood and 50 s&b n a few crit duty forgot the grain, the rest were a mix of blazer alum n tula 115 n had 0 failures
It requires some break in because the barrel to slide lock up is fitted tight and requires some action to 'wear in'. In the end, you'll have a tighter, more accurate firearm.
You have the MR 920 combat. The WPS gun is the elite.
These look tempting, but then I remember I can get a S&W M&P M2.0 for half the price
Hahahaha
If you're the type who doesn't add mods to your gun, buying a stock Glock MP etc is money well spent.
@@justinm.791 agreed. It’s g2g out of the box
because it's half the gun
@@Lawbase lol magazines are falling out of the shadow systems at the moment unintentionally
That's the great thing about Opinions when it comes to break-in periods! Opinions are like A-Holes, everyone has them, and alot of times they stink!!!!!! Anything Mechanical, could and probably should/does have a break-in period. But as I was told when I was younger, "Ignorance is an Abyss".
I’m a Glock fan boy and gunsmith, I own two shadow systems firearms and the reason for a break in is clear. You keep saying there shouldn’t be a break in, why shouldn’t there be? The tolerances on the SS are much tighter than a Glock, just look at the barrel lock up on a stock Glock Compared to a shadow systems and that should tell you everything you need to know.
I would love to know where you got that tiger stripe hoodie
Most glocks I’ve owned have needed a break in period, Glock puts copper lithium grease in them and it always it’s a 100-200 rnds before I’d trust it.
I have three of just about the exact same model gun (not a Shadow Systems) 1 has never had any issues at all, 1 had a couple of failed feeds and failed ejects, and one had a very minor issue with going into battery a couple of times (though unsure if that was me or the gun on that one). All three guns now have about 800+ rounds each through them and they will eat any ammo I run through them. All issues I had with them were in the first 100 - 200 rounds.
Also in this video it was only one malfunction and you only shot a couple of mags through each one. Yes it happened in less then 50 shots but that may be the only one that gun ever has and any gun runs the chance of that happening at some point in its life. Which is why you should be prepared to clear issues like that quickly.
Now I will agree that many people will buy a gun and never shoot it until they have to so it should work out of the box, but at the same time that is why you should have one in the chamber because you know that one will work unless there is a major issue with the firing pin or it is a dud round. But hell I have seen people buy their first gun and not even get ammo for it.
We have to get new gun owners to understand they need to practice or at the very least go shoot a box through it to make sure there are no issues with it before they trust their life with it.
Ive seen another review where the CR920 didn’t like the Wolfe ammo either.
Subscribed. Love the contrasting personalities 😂. And appreciate the honesty!
Thanks man!
Night sights, optic cut, some additional slide cutting, stainless firing pin, and a steel guide rod = $350-$400 above a Glock, and I'm not sure it's worth that.
$775 for a Glock MOS w/night sights vs $980 for a SS that has an optic cut.
I just can't agree to having to pay a grand just to be optic ready. Consider how many companies are offering optic cuts standard.
Been a while since I've seen palm tats, I have both of mine and that shit sucked haha. I recently got the MR920 Elite and got a streamlight TLR-1 HL and a Holosun 507C X2 and I absolutely love it. It's everything I wish a glock was
Yup
Watch Shadow Systems video about break in periods
Could have saved you the cold hands and told you right away that Glock would run that steel case ammo no problem.
I agree w/ you on the break-in period. My Glocks never had a failure no matter what ammo, I never have to worry about it. Some of the Shadow Systems run flawlessly and some need a break in, to me it just raises questions on whether it just needs to be broken in or it just runs poorly. Plus, it uses PMAGS which are not reliable for Glock. No thanks, things I don’t have to worry about with my Glock 19.
Anything and everything mechanical has a break-in period. You can disagree all you want.
I’m just glad it’s getting y’all to comment about it