Thank you for putting Maria Skłodowska-Curie on your list. She was truly amazing woman and scientist. Especially, when you consider when and where was she born (look up the partitions of Poland). Imagine what the reality had to be like back then.
Love Gordan Parks photography. One of His photos called "The Window" from 1960 appeared in a Time-Life book I bought in the mid 70's. To this day I can vividly recall that haunting colour photo.
Thanks for the recommendation to catch Choice of Weapons, the documentary about Gordon Parks on HBOmax. I have admired many of his images, and seeing some of his process only makes me admire him more.
Gordon Parks! I’ve been reading his book, “THE NEW TIDE EARLY WORK”. The work is incredible for the time as well as the fact that he consistently forged a path ahead in many genres. As you mentioned, his work makes me believe I definitely have work/ research cut out for me. Thanks, Dan. Also, I’m going to check out the documentary.
Dan, I took your advice on a book and went to the library and checked out "It's What I Do" by Lynsey Addario. An absolute page turner and she is an absolute badass. Thanks for the recommendation. BTW, Blood Meridian is the weirdest book I've read and is "darker than the end of a gun barrel". Have a safe trip.
Your point about multi-skilling is spot-on. Although I have little interest in CGI, learning Blender is probably way more valuable than learning how to retouch photos. In fact I'd say photos don't need retouching except for when it's an ad for a magazine. I think it's a waste of my time. But that's another story. Maybe people don't give a shit about overly polished photos anymore. But regardless, if you can replace your camera with CGI on occasion, you're going to have an advantage. Especially if you create or have access to CGI fashion models (which do exist, for those who don't know). I know. CGI doesn't let you show off how good you are at retouching. It doesn't let you enjoy using cool cameras. But, as they say, we can't put the cat back in the bag.
No, no going back. What I love about today is that we have absolute cutting edge tech and at the same time we have younger folks working in the traditional darkroom. We have choices, options and a bevy of things to explore. Sure, some of it makes me head spin, but that's okay too.
I’ll elaborate, my wife and recently sold our place in Maine and are looking for something in the sun belt. Something with a bit less humidity than the south east.
“… where oh where are you tonight? Why did you leave me here all alone? I searched the world over and thought I found true love. You found another an Thbbt you were gone.” Yep, memories of a NE Indiana childhood are hard to erase. Dan - Thanks for another solid post. 👍
Great list. I have Ut’s book From Hell to Hollywood and it’s very interesting. Parks is a GD genius… crying was the reaction I had for sure. Can’t wait to dig in to Thomas’s work. Man, I have everything to learn and I love it. Thanks Uncle Dan!
You are the only person I know who has mentioned how great Zero Zero Zero was. That series was phenomenal. The soundtrack, the feel of the world those characters were in. How does something like that come from seemingly nowhere? I hope someone is smart enough to produce a sequal. One One One.
Its' the Walter Mitty of 2021. I can't believe there is no season 2. I literally felt like I'd lost a friend. The Mexican character, Vampiro is SO layered and conflicted yet so confident. I would crowd fund a series 2....whatever it takes.
truth is circumstantial, Honesty can be trusted from those who continously evaluate themselves within their context. One relies on" facts" that change! The other is a concept that accepts change and accepts the responsibilty for allowing and voicing it! One is a science idealist ... Warlike. The other is one who experiences life and is gentle with it.
Not what I was expecting but totally aligned with your philosophy. I’m probably closer to your parents generation and in my waning years beginning to get my lens in focus. I can rankle people on both sides of the fence. Each era has its opportunity and the memorable person will find out what that is.
Your comment that you can't spell crap without AP made me smile.. Not heard that one before.. I spent 20 years with Reuters in France and would have loved to have wound up lay AP colleagues with that one...
Hey Daniel, I loved Zero Zero Zero too, if you haven’t already check out Gomorrah - Italian drama based on books by Robert Saviano too. I preferred Zero Zero Zero from a visual standpoint but Gomorrah has that slow burn mood to it. Soundtrack by Mogwai is on my favourites too.
you know there is a general tread to embrace retro and vintage periods , eg 20s-90s across the globe, from film, to records, to cassette and VHS'S people are craving for the world pre internet and social media ... before ultra connectivity , pick your period from the 20s to beatnik- to the hippies , diggers and divers and surfers of the 60-70s , to the disco and glam of the 80s, to grunge, rock and rave cultures of the 90s it is affecting and evident in all facets of life .... photographers and creatives take note ...
Yesterday, did some scrolling on Instagram, well a lot, Read more in one of the Expanse books and watched your video. Today, just now watched the Gordon Parkes documentary on HBO (thank you for that). I’m sitting here thinking what am I doing? I have been involved in photography for sixty years and now need to use my skills for something that matters.
Picking a top 5 could easily spawn at least 30 top 5's! I've just got to drop a suggestion for Francesca Woodman. She seems to have inspired the guts of what we understand to be art and fashion photography from the 90's. She was a pure flame that burned out too fast.
+1 for Fast Times reference. we watched Hee Haw in our republican conservative town in Michigan in the 1970s, and i do NOT have all my natural teeth. chapeau milnor!
You forgot the other motto: "Can't spell CheAP without AP". I interviewed for a spot in Kuala Lumpur for them in 1995 (we were living in Bangkok then) and to this day, I thank god I didn't take the position. Not that I hate the wires, but I simply never had the grit for it. I can grind as a freelancer, but not for the Wires. Some of my favorites snappers work for the wires though; some real legions and always incredibly generous, offering us poor, struggling freelancers a place to sleep or a ride in their (expensed) taxi. I used to nap on AP's couch in Bangkok all the time, and they'd never say a word.
Same for me. I did some stringer work for AP, AFP and Reuters, back in the day, and I enjoyed it but wanted more long-form work. I remember meeting Jerome Delay in Perpignan as he rode in on his GS BMW. I said "I want to be that guy."
You say a lot of photographers are out there "ripping off Stephen Shore". How do you differentiate someone who is "ripping off" their predecessors vs. learning from them and just happen to emulate that style?
You've got to reference who you are working off of. What I find interesting is when I see these folks clearly copying someone like this there is rarely any reference to the fact they are doing this. This is based on their audience probably not knowing who came before, who did what, etc. so it's easy to copy the work while putting it out making it look like you just dreamed this stuff up. I also find this same group mostly copying the same three or four people all of whom shoot things that don't require much human interacting. These folks don't copy someone like Salgado because the time required doesn't fit the social media cycle and the cost in human currency is far too high. If you are going to use someone as inspiration, you have to credit that person.
Fresh evidence for why I wouldn't have lasted a week as a pro. Off to check out some more photographers - thanks for the introduction Dan. PS: doubt you have too many modern republicans facing this video😆
Probably not, but I wish I did. I have plenty of friends and family who identify with the right. For me, I don't ever put a political party in the first sentence. I just don't care. Our system is so flawed, why on Earth would I wear a party badge?
@@DANIELMILNOR505 I can't stomach either of our two main parties. We have an election looming in the next couple of months and the BS meter is already off scale. Keep telling things as they really are Dan and I for one will keep watching.
I have no delusion of becoming a professional photographer. I know the things I love shooting will never make me money to live off from. That being said I'm not willing to trade my passion and love for $$$
Yes, there is that pesky part about actually making good work. Like waking up hung over. That quiet "oh no," moment when you realized you got work to do.
Just watched ZeroZeroZero per your advise. Fantastic series. I don't agree that a 2nd season is warranted but agree it must be watched again. Thank you @danielmilnor
But man, that ending with the blood spray and Vampiro saying "I'm the new boss." I thought for sure there was another season. And the locations are just crazy good. The Italian component was great too.
I don't know anyone who has seen Zero Zero Zero and I thought it was masterful. It just totally flies under the radar.
For sure. Best show in a long while.
I'm off to take photos of a eucalyptus distillery, 2hr drive, then I'll come back a dig me a trench, as always inspiring content Daniel
That sounds like a great day.
Classic. Solid points in the thought process. Thanks for sharing, Milnor!
Thank you for putting Maria Skłodowska-Curie on your list. She was truly amazing woman and scientist. Especially, when you consider when and where was she born (look up the partitions of Poland). Imagine what the reality had to be like back then.
Imagine the abuse.....and two different fields. Amazing.
excellent
Love Gordan Parks photography. One of His photos called "The Window" from 1960 appeared in a Time-Life book I bought in the mid 70's.
To this day I can vividly recall that haunting colour photo.
He's got so many signature images it's both awe inspiring and daunting.
Thanks for the recommendation to catch Choice of Weapons, the documentary about Gordon Parks on HBOmax. I have admired many of his images, and seeing some of his process only makes me admire him more.
Yep, that is a gut check for anyone wanting to be a photographer.
Gordon Parks! I’ve been reading his book, “THE NEW TIDE EARLY WORK”. The work is incredible for the time as well as the fact that he consistently forged a path ahead in many genres. As you mentioned, his work makes me believe I definitely have work/ research cut out for me. Thanks, Dan. Also, I’m going to check out the documentary.
Yes, he was the man. If you only took ONE chapter of his life he did enough to be a legend.
A+
nice fast times quote
Dan, I took your advice on a book and went to the library and checked out "It's What I Do" by Lynsey Addario. An absolute page turner and she is an absolute badass. Thanks for the recommendation. BTW, Blood Meridian is the weirdest book I've read and is "darker than the end of a gun barrel". Have a safe trip.
Me too Pat. Recently finished it after not being able to put it down; it’s a great book and Amazing emotive photos.
Dark and tasty. A book that haunts me.
Thank you for the amazing shout-out for our 'In Search of the Truth' project! I remember Look 3 well.
I miss that festival, for sure. Palm Springs Festival lives on, thankfully so, as I feel we need more of these things. Truth was so well done.
Your point about multi-skilling is spot-on. Although I have little interest in CGI, learning Blender is probably way more valuable than learning how to retouch photos.
In fact I'd say photos don't need retouching except for when it's an ad for a magazine. I think it's a waste of my time. But that's another story.
Maybe people don't give a shit about overly polished photos anymore. But regardless, if you can replace your camera with CGI on occasion, you're going to have an advantage. Especially if you create or have access to CGI fashion models (which do exist, for those who don't know).
I know. CGI doesn't let you show off how good you are at retouching. It doesn't let you enjoy using cool cameras. But, as they say, we can't put the cat back in the bag.
No, no going back. What I love about today is that we have absolute cutting edge tech and at the same time we have younger folks working in the traditional darkroom. We have choices, options and a bevy of things to explore. Sure, some of it makes me head spin, but that's okay too.
No comments yet? Great video. Good luck on your trip!
Hi Dan,
I think it's about time we have a film on what its like to live in New Mexico. What say you?
These are my demands,
Joe
I think that requires a series. It's just too good for a single film.
All the better!
I’ll elaborate, my wife and recently sold our place in Maine and are looking for something in the sun belt. Something with a bit less humidity than the south east.
“… where oh where are you tonight? Why did you leave me here all alone? I searched the world over and thought I found true love. You found another an Thbbt you were gone.” Yep, memories of a NE Indiana childhood are hard to erase. Dan - Thanks for another solid post. 👍
Those memories are SEARED into my mind and body. They were good times. Rural, very hick, but so warm as memories.
Great film Danno!
Gracias partner. And THANK YOU for the bumpers. They are so much a part of this.
@@DANIELMILNOR505 no problemo! You’re welcome!
Great list. I have Ut’s book From Hell to Hollywood and it’s very interesting. Parks is a GD genius… crying was the reaction I had for sure. Can’t wait to dig in to Thomas’s work. Man, I have everything to learn and I love it. Thanks Uncle Dan!
So many great photographers out there. And so many books....
oh and you are one of the best teachers i have ever experienced, along with Ted Ohland of course.
Ah, thanks for that. Very kind.
You are the only person I know who has mentioned how great Zero Zero Zero was. That series was phenomenal. The soundtrack, the feel of the world those characters were in. How does something like that come from seemingly nowhere? I hope someone is smart enough to produce a sequal. One One One.
Its' the Walter Mitty of 2021. I can't believe there is no season 2. I literally felt like I'd lost a friend. The Mexican character, Vampiro is SO layered and conflicted yet so confident. I would crowd fund a series 2....whatever it takes.
truth is circumstantial, Honesty can be trusted from those who continously evaluate themselves within their context. One relies on" facts" that change! The other is a concept that accepts change and accepts the responsibilty for allowing and voicing it! One is a science idealist ... Warlike. The other is one who experiences life and is gentle with it.
Well said. That is making me think. Thank you.
I guess thats a good exchange.
Not what I was expecting but totally aligned with your philosophy. I’m probably closer to your parents generation and in my waning years beginning to get my lens in focus. I can rankle people on both sides of the fence. Each era has its opportunity and the memorable person will find out what that is.
Rankle is okay if it's done respectfully. With you, I have no doubt. With the masses, well, another story.
Your comment that you can't spell crap without AP made me smile.. Not heard that one before.. I spent 20 years with Reuters in France and would have loved to have wound up lay AP colleagues with that one...
A good one. I've used it many times. And I love AP. Man what a legendary roster of snappers. Reuters too.
Just found this interesting channel. Is there a meaning behind the black and white?
Not really. Was mostly a black and white photographer so it made sense when I started the channel.
The Realist!💡🎥🎬🎤🕺🏿
Hey Daniel, I loved Zero Zero Zero too, if you haven’t already check out Gomorrah - Italian drama based on books by Robert Saviano too. I preferred Zero Zero Zero from a visual standpoint but Gomorrah has that slow burn mood to it.
Soundtrack by Mogwai is on my favourites too.
Ooohh, that sounds right up my alley. RIP Zero, Zero, Zero.
She's Maria Skłodowska-Curie. btw, I live on the street named after her.
That's awesome!
I love Gordon Parks! You may have seen it but a documentary I really liked about him was Half Past Autumn
you know there is a general tread to embrace retro and vintage periods , eg 20s-90s across the globe, from film, to records, to cassette and VHS'S people are craving for the world pre internet and social media ... before ultra connectivity , pick your period from the 20s to beatnik- to the hippies , diggers and divers and surfers of the 60-70s , to the disco and glam of the 80s, to grunge, rock and rave cultures of the 90s it is affecting and evident in all facets of life .... photographers and creatives take note ...
For sure. Is it "Golden AgeIsm? Maybe. Whatever it is, I like it. I like to say "one foot in the Space Age and one foot in the Stone Age."
Yesterday, did some scrolling on Instagram, well a lot, Read more in one of the Expanse books and watched your video. Today, just now watched the Gordon Parkes documentary on HBO (thank you for that). I’m sitting here thinking what am I doing? I have been involved in photography for sixty years and now need to use my skills for something that matters.
Good. That is a great moment to have, no matter how daunting it may seem. Meaning. How about that.
Picking a top 5 could easily spawn at least 30 top 5's!
I've just got to drop a suggestion for Francesca Woodman. She seems to have inspired the guts of what we understand to be art and fashion photography from the 90's. She was a pure flame that burned out too fast.
Yep, she could easily be on that list.
"If they gave photographers a goldbar, they would complain why it is not silver"
Hit the nail on the head.
#Fact_hurts #RUclips
Yes, we are world class complainers.
Ha! Was in the truth booth when visiting Washington.
ZeroZeroZero is directed and created by Stefano Sollima, the same director of Sicario and other criminal movies!
It's genius.
+1 for Fast Times reference. we watched Hee Haw in our republican conservative town in Michigan in the 1970s, and i do NOT have all my natural teeth. chapeau milnor!
Hell son, you're a local. Enjoy it. Those missing teeth are a passport in places. Mr. Hand would appreciate that.
You forgot the other motto: "Can't spell CheAP without AP". I interviewed for a spot in Kuala Lumpur for them in 1995 (we were living in Bangkok then) and to this day, I thank god I didn't take the position. Not that I hate the wires, but I simply never had the grit for it. I can grind as a freelancer, but not for the Wires. Some of my favorites snappers work for the wires though; some real legions and always incredibly generous, offering us poor, struggling freelancers a place to sleep or a ride in their (expensed) taxi. I used to nap on AP's couch in Bangkok all the time, and they'd never say a word.
Same for me. I did some stringer work for AP, AFP and Reuters, back in the day, and I enjoyed it but wanted more long-form work. I remember meeting Jerome Delay in Perpignan as he rode in on his GS BMW. I said "I want to be that guy."
You say a lot of photographers are out there "ripping off Stephen Shore". How do you differentiate someone who is "ripping off" their predecessors vs. learning from them and just happen to emulate that style?
You've got to reference who you are working off of. What I find interesting is when I see these folks clearly copying someone like this there is rarely any reference to the fact they are doing this. This is based on their audience probably not knowing who came before, who did what, etc. so it's easy to copy the work while putting it out making it look like you just dreamed this stuff up. I also find this same group mostly copying the same three or four people all of whom shoot things that don't require much human interacting. These folks don't copy someone like Salgado because the time required doesn't fit the social media cycle and the cost in human currency is far too high. If you are going to use someone as inspiration, you have to credit that person.
What! No RUclips photographs?
I missed my window!
What would we even do without you?
The more you say no the more I want to do it. Ok, nvm, back to bed.
Do it...
Fresh evidence for why I wouldn't have lasted a week as a pro. Off to check out some more photographers - thanks for the introduction Dan.
PS: doubt you have too many modern republicans facing this video😆
Probably not, but I wish I did. I have plenty of friends and family who identify with the right. For me, I don't ever put a political party in the first sentence. I just don't care. Our system is so flawed, why on Earth would I wear a party badge?
@@DANIELMILNOR505 I can't stomach either of our two main parties. We have an election looming in the next couple of months and the BS meter is already off scale. Keep telling things as they really are Dan and I for one will keep watching.
I have no delusion of becoming a professional photographer. I know the things I love shooting will never make me money to live off from. That being said I'm not willing to trade my passion and love for $$$
The goal is to have your cake and eat it too, but that is a tricky proposition these days. As long as you are content and making work, all good.
'85 Cher "traumatic" Ha, ha, ha.....
I'm more of a Frankenstein than Terminator photographer.
you don't have to tell me....I was there.
And that’s the story of how you didn’t become a corn farmer 🌽 🧑🌾
I missed my farming window.
Rather than Marie Curie, I would have put Nikola Tesla. But it’s not my list.
A lot of names that could swap in and out.
"you don't just say I'm gonna become a cultural icon and then become one".....like Arnold Schwarzenegger actually did....the original terminator...😉👍
Yes, there is that pesky part about actually making good work. Like waking up hung over. That quiet "oh no," moment when you realized you got work to do.
Send it! I think this is a Canadian thing... like 'give 'er.'
Just watched ZeroZeroZero per your advise. Fantastic series. I don't agree that a 2nd season is warranted but agree it must be watched again. Thank you @danielmilnor
But man, that ending with the blood spray and Vampiro saying "I'm the new boss." I thought for sure there was another season. And the locations are just crazy good. The Italian component was great too.