Maybe 7DCT causes slip 'cause it's dry type? Some say the transmission has a fairly low allowable torque, and the wet 8-speed DCT has not reported the issue. Sorento, which was tested the other day, is equipped with the wet 8-speed DCT.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers 7DCT on Hyundai-Kia tends to slip or get damaged without been used on off-road. There are many gearbox parts replaced under warranty. AT6 or AT8 gearboxes are the most reliable. (according to members of Club Kia Sportage Romania).
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers because i have seen this test on the older 2019 nx350h and is not so good for rear wheels traction . Am willing to buy one 2022 NX350h, and this test is important because i do off road sometimes. Thanks!!.
No idea. The problem was that car was keeping the gear engaged but it wasn't releasing the clutch entirely. We also didn't want to damage anything so we stopped.
Ogólnie nieźle ale naped awd w połączeniu z automatem pokazuje że programiści mają jeszcze przed sobą trochę linijek do napisania. Pamiętam jak kiedyś miałem taką sytuację, stałem lekko pod górkę, za autem bym murek a przed kołami była mała zaspa śnieżna a system całkowicie głupiał i odcinal cały moment na kola. To było w skrzyni dsg6. Pomogła łopata i dopiero poruszył kołami.
Problem dotyczy raczej tylko poszczególnych przypadków skrzyń dwusprzęgłowych. Klasyczne automaty nie mają żadnych problemów, CVT o dziwo też dają radę, wiele dwusprzęgłowych też jest dobrze zaprogramowane.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers to było za czasów pierwszych dsg6 w VW i nawrzucali tam pełno systemów kontroli w tym przeciw buksowaniu kół. Kompletnie to wszystko żze sobą nie współpracowało. Następne auta jakie miałem z dsg już lepiej sobie radziły. Widać jednak było że testowane na klientach.
@@garminbreak I just checked, it's the same in Poland, no AT AWD like Tucson & Sportage. Kona was tested a few weeks ago, it was pretty good. There were no problems with slipping of DCT but it got lost a few times. Besides - owner was unhappy about this transmission, already a lot of problems and servicing in a new car. ruclips.net/video/yCfh3GhLKZA/видео.html
Całkiem dobrze wypadły w teście te auta. W nowszych furach już coraz więcej systemów i jakoś dają radę. W realu zapewne jeszcze lepiej by wypadły. Pozdro 😉
Mam taką kie 2.0 awd. Czy ruszając pod sliską górkę lepiej robić to spokojnie czy dać po garach? Raz się zaskoczyłem bo nie mogłem z garażu wyjechać, ale nie dawałem po garach. Moja wiedza zawsze była taka żeby nie dawać po garach bo koło nie złapie przyczepności a jeszcze wykopie dół
To zależy, jaka jest nawierzchnia. Jeśli koła mają możliwość dokopania się do przyczepnej nawierzchni lub jeśli jest to głęboki śnieg, to lepiej dać po garach. Jeśli natomiast jest to lód itp., to oczywiście lepiej ruszać delikatnie.
Having studied transmissions for quite a few years now... I dont think its slipping the clutch rather than the ESP holding it back to let the AWD think and then reengage to attempt to free itself. ESP off results in wheel spin so the DCT engages properly. I own a 2016 Tucson with the 7DCT. It had some similar issues but then there was a software update which fixed it. The the car now has 230k km and Ive gone through very nasty terrain with it. I also had the clutch pack inspected 2 weeks ago and it showed close to no wear which surprised everyone. I believe this transmission in the 2021 model will be just as good if not better, that specific model in the video prolly needs a software update update. Ive seen other 2021 models do awd tests without much hesitation.
It was definitely slipping the clutch. High rpm, wheels slowly spinning or stopped and something that we can't show by the video - the smell. Odor of burning clutch.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers interesting, it seems like the ESP is fighting with the clutch actuator i.e. the transmission wants to engage but the ESP grabs the brakes because it is confused therefore resulting in excessive clutch slip. Im sure it not only wears out the clutch but the brake pads too. Thats unfortunate to see from hyundai!
@@moonsapling Yeap, there must be some software conflict. And actually there was more confusion for a moment when transmission completely got lost and started to change gears with no sense in it. And was clear that awd system knows what to do but it is limited by the transmission.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I do like the concept of DCTs but using a dry clutch for a crossover that should be capable of going offroad isnt sensible at all. I wonder why they didnt use a CVT, would have done a better job for less money...
@@moonsapling They do have classic AT with torque converter in their offer, all HTrac versions should be combined with that. But they use it only in hybrid...
Kia i Hyundai to jeden koncern wiec i napędy będą takie same, temu wypadły bardzo podobne niestety w tych starszych modelach tucsona z napędem 4Wd padały skrzynie kątowe a dokładnie frezy na wałku głównym ciekawe czy poprawili to w nowym modelu
Our comment on the test: facebook.com/StacjaKontroliTrakcji/posts/1211242129353971
I will save your time. Practically, no difference.
Maybe 7DCT causes slip 'cause it's dry type? Some say the transmission has a fairly low allowable torque, and the wet 8-speed DCT has not reported the issue. Sorento, which was tested the other day, is equipped with the wet 8-speed DCT.
Maybe but Sportage has 7DCT and it wasn't slipping. Slip was caused by the system, not to transmission weakness.
It could be interesting to see if diesel engines with more torque make a difference with the same transmission
Very high end comparison
DCT on Hyundai is useless, now it is confirmed. Can you test Genesis GV80 on rollers ?
Why useless, are there some well known problems with it?
It will be very hard to find Genesis...
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers 7DCT on Hyundai-Kia tends to slip or get damaged without been used on off-road. There are many gearbox parts replaced under warranty.
AT6 or AT8 gearboxes are the most reliable.
(according to members of Club Kia Sportage Romania).
@@ionut.5 Thanks. However there was no such problem in Kia so there must be some software difference.
@@ionut.5 agree about at8 and at6 boxes, tested on russian roads in every season and it is reliable and durable
hyundai was going so good until that dct slip thinf
Version with classic AT/torque converter would probably perform much better.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers any luck testing that?
@@theblitz1687 We're looking for it.
Does the Kia have the same DCT as the Hyundai? Curious it does not slip or fail on the test..
Yes, the same 7DCT.
It’s also lighter.
Please do this test on rollers for the new 2022 Lexus NX 350H.
If only I could find it...
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers because i have seen this test on the older 2019 nx350h and is not so good for rear wheels traction . Am willing to buy one 2022 NX350h, and this test is important because i do off road sometimes. Thanks!!.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers some youtubers have put for test the nx350h. Just no one have done rollers or off road test.
Would it have helped the Tucson if one would have selected a specific gear in manual mode?
No idea. The problem was that car was keeping the gear engaged but it wasn't releasing the clutch entirely. We also didn't want to damage anything so we stopped.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Quite a strange problem.... Understandable that you didn't kept on doing the test once that problem arose.
Ogólnie nieźle ale naped awd w połączeniu z automatem pokazuje że programiści mają jeszcze przed sobą trochę linijek do napisania.
Pamiętam jak kiedyś miałem taką sytuację, stałem lekko pod górkę, za autem bym murek a przed kołami była mała zaspa śnieżna a system całkowicie głupiał i odcinal cały moment na kola. To było w skrzyni dsg6. Pomogła łopata i dopiero poruszył kołami.
Problem dotyczy raczej tylko poszczególnych przypadków skrzyń dwusprzęgłowych. Klasyczne automaty nie mają żadnych problemów, CVT o dziwo też dają radę, wiele dwusprzęgłowych też jest dobrze zaprogramowane.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers to było za czasów pierwszych dsg6 w VW i nawrzucali tam pełno systemów kontroli w tym przeciw buksowaniu kół. Kompletnie to wszystko żze sobą nie współpracowało. Następne auta jakie miałem z dsg już lepiej sobie radziły. Widać jednak było że testowane na klientach.
Are they using the same DCT?
Yes, 7DCT.
Very similar problem had Kona 1.6 TGDI AWD DCT in sand and mud, both times with clutch smell. These cars are not usable even as soft offroaders.
That changes if you choose AT instead of DCT.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Kona AWD is available only with DCT in Slovakia :(
@@garminbreak I'm not sure about Kona but ain't there some hybrid version with AT? (like Tucson or Sportage)
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers In Slovakia, not. Hybrid is only FWD.
@@garminbreak I just checked, it's the same in Poland, no AT AWD like Tucson & Sportage. Kona was tested a few weeks ago, it was pretty good. There were no problems with slipping of DCT but it got lost a few times. Besides - owner was unhappy about this transmission, already a lot of problems and servicing in a new car. ruclips.net/video/yCfh3GhLKZA/видео.html
Całkiem dobrze wypadły w teście te auta. W nowszych furach już coraz więcej systemów i jakoś dają radę. W realu zapewne jeszcze lepiej by wypadły. Pozdro 😉
Zapewne byłoby jeszcze lepiej, gdyby nie skrzynia 7DCT, może wkrótce uda się to sprawdzić. C5 już prawie zmontowane, pozdro!
Can you make a video testing the AWD on the Genesis GV70/80 without the eLSD?
If I could only find it...
Mam taką kie 2.0 awd. Czy ruszając pod sliską górkę lepiej robić to spokojnie czy dać po garach? Raz się zaskoczyłem bo nie mogłem z garażu wyjechać, ale nie dawałem po garach. Moja wiedza zawsze była taka żeby nie dawać po garach bo koło nie złapie przyczepności a jeszcze wykopie dół
To zależy, jaka jest nawierzchnia. Jeśli koła mają możliwość dokopania się do przyczepnej nawierzchni lub jeśli jest to głęboki śnieg, to lepiej dać po garach. Jeśli natomiast jest to lód itp., to oczywiście lepiej ruszać delikatnie.
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Having studied transmissions for quite a few years now...
I dont think its slipping the clutch rather than the ESP holding it back to let the AWD think and then reengage to attempt to free itself.
ESP off results in wheel spin so the DCT engages properly.
I own a 2016 Tucson with the 7DCT. It had some similar issues but then there was a software update which fixed it. The the car now has 230k km and Ive gone through very nasty terrain with it. I also had the clutch pack inspected 2 weeks ago and it showed close to no wear which surprised everyone.
I believe this transmission in the 2021 model will be just as good if not better, that specific model in the video prolly needs a software update update. Ive seen other 2021 models do awd tests without much hesitation.
It was definitely slipping the clutch. High rpm, wheels slowly spinning or stopped and something that we can't show by the video - the smell. Odor of burning clutch.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers interesting, it seems like the ESP is fighting with the clutch actuator
i.e. the transmission wants to engage but the ESP grabs the brakes because it is confused therefore resulting in excessive clutch slip.
Im sure it not only wears out the clutch but the brake pads too. Thats unfortunate to see from hyundai!
@@moonsapling Yeap, there must be some software conflict. And actually there was more confusion for a moment when transmission completely got lost and started to change gears with no sense in it. And was clear that awd system knows what to do but it is limited by the transmission.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I do like the concept of DCTs but using a dry clutch for a crossover that should be capable of going offroad isnt sensible at all. I wonder why they didnt use a CVT, would have done a better job for less money...
@@moonsapling They do have classic AT with torque converter in their offer, all HTrac versions should be combined with that. But they use it only in hybrid...
Wow
Kia i Hyundai to jeden koncern wiec i napędy będą takie same, temu wypadły bardzo podobne niestety w tych starszych modelach tucsona z napędem 4Wd padały skrzynie kątowe a dokładnie frezy na wałku głównym ciekawe czy poprawili to w nowym modelu
Mechanicznie napędy są takie same, ale mogą być inaczej oprogramowane. Skrzynia też jest ta sama, a zachowuje się zupełnie inaczej.
Test hyundai santa fe hybrid please
If we only find it...
Only quattro torsen or xdrive.
Too bad you guys can’t test the Kia telluride over there
Yeap, too bad, especially that Sorento did great.
why does dct slip?
No idea, software issue.
Not sure about this country, but here the drive systems are the same.
The question is if the software is the same...
I dare say a CVT with torque converter is a better transmission for these tests than a DCT.
Now I have my worries about getting the new Santa Cruz Turbo awd. That’s what I need to tow my car and get through the winters in northeast USA.
7DCT or 8DCT ?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers 8
單後輪有抓地力，不能脫困，
看不出進步！！
I could easily tell driver is giving more gas on hyundai.
That doesn't change the result.
Test incorect !
Balance😡😡😡
What balance?