Speaking from experience and the importance of retention: I've carried a full size Springfield 1911 for years. The first holster I bought for it was a Crossbreed hybrid. It was always clear that this holster was NOT designed for retention. The gun is extremely loose in it, however it was comfortable and I had trained myself to deal with it's shortcomings, or so I thought. One evening I got into a scuffle with another guy. He ended up on his back, and I was on top of him pinning him down. In the commotion, my gun fell out of my holster and onto the road. The sight of it scared the fight out of him completely, and I quickly recovered the gun. Change very few details, and that encounter could have gone very differently.
I was carrying with an IWB hybrid holster at the 5oclock while riding my motorcycle when I had an accident. I slid for about 30-40 feet and my handgun was still properly in place and the holster hadn't moved an inch. It is all about the quality of the holster you purchase and how well secured it is on your belt.
Galco has pretty good leather and remember he specifically spoke on longevity. Leather breaks down and loses shape and when it does that it loses retention. Later down the line of this had happened it could’ve went totally different
My Alien Gear IWB covers the trigger guard fully. And I can grab with a full firing grip. And the passive retention is solid. So I have to take this video with a grain of salt.
I have been using the version 3 for a couple years and do not have any of the problems John mentions. I have had my CCW since 1991 (26 years) and the Alien Gear 3 is my favorite holster of all time. I do think a lot of Hybrids do have issues, but Alien Gear's version 3 has fixed most of the issues. I also believe that big bellies and Hybrids do not mix. I am an avid runner so that issue does not affect me.
Fair enough. But I do have to say this…everyone that talks about carrying a gun always makes the joke about having a dresser drawer full of holsters. Basically, holsters are about finding the best one for you, with the fewest compromises. I don’t think there is or ever could be a best holster (except in heaven). So unfortunately it’s trial and error; and the awareness of safety and other facets.
Active Self Protection Extra my Alien Gear IWB 4.0 is the best holster I've tried. My 3.0 IWB is also very comfortable. I carry a Glock 19 and S&W Shield 9mm. Both are very comfortable in these holsters.
I think he goes by what he sees when he trains, and all the hybrid holsters he has seen are bad, so he thinks they all are pretty much bad. If he has seen enough of them, I don't think that it's unreasonable for him to think that. it might not be 100% true, but it's also not unreasonable. there may be some hybrid holsters out there that he hasn't seen and that are good. also he did say this was his belief ;)
@Chris Bork Check out Hidden Hybrid Holsters or High Threat Concealment, I've used holsters/gear from both companies while in the Middle East. When I have the option to bring my own, or purchase my own gear, I take the HHH. They are made to order for the specific model, also if you have a light or an optic they will mold the kydex to the specific attachments. It uses retention screws for the trigger guard and does not protrude out the back side or into the leather.
I've been using the same Vedder holster with my S&W M&P Shield 9mm for almost three years. It's leather-backed, with a molded Kydex outer shell. The pressure of wearing it against my body actually DOES allow it to CLICK into place, and despite extensive wear, the holster retains my gun beautifully, and I can get a full firing grip on it when drawing. To each his own, I guess...
Love your videos, but totally disagree with some of your points on this one. I have carried a Crossbreed for many years with no issues. I have always gotten horse hide leather, and believe it holds up much better, especially here in the hot humid south. I’m also on the other end of the weight spectrum (very thin) and have tried numerous all kydex holsters, and simply cannot conceal them.
I agree on all points but the audible click. An audible click doesn’t necessarily mean the Holsters has sufficient retention. I’ve made prototypes where the gun would click into place and then fall out when turned upside down. Also depending on belt pressure a holster may not have sufficient retention a click off body but it does on body. That’s going to vary from person to person.
Agreed on that but a trend I'm seeing in a lot of holsters (including all kydex) in improper retention. That's always been the case though. Most companies aren't phlster and don't test a holster with a real gun or has a repeatable manufacturing process that negates the need for a real gun to test.
Yeah, I’m gonna disagree with you, John. My hybrid has zero room for anything to get into the trigger. It also allows a full firing grip. It also clicks in positively and secures the weapon just as positively as my full kydex holsters *when being worn*. Who cares if it doesn’t engage as well when not being worn? Mine has a metal clip, the same as on nice holsters you use. Mine is not cheap thin kydex. I don’t muzzle myself, and I’m not overweight. So, why is MY hybrid shit? I’m sure you stand by your assertions, but using absolutes to address topics with nearly infinite variables is foolish. I believe I remember Paul Harrell saying something like, “Experts who speak in absolutes (Shatneresque pause) should not be trusted.”
I don't think Alien Gear has the issues you speak of as long as you get the 3.0 or the Shapeshift because of the steel plate on the inside of the holster. I've never had that issue personally. Although I am looking for someone that makes a full kydex only because they don't have any wml options.
I have the 3.0. It does have the spring steel internally - doesn't have the "flop" or bend issues he mentioned. I carry a revolver, and there's a "bump" on the base that squeezes the trigger guard between it and the kydex-like material. The retention is awesome and there's no way anything extra is getting to that trigger. The trigger guard is completely covered. I easily get a full grip when drawing. I had issues with the clips (and a few other things) on their 2.0, but have had none of those issues with the 3.0. I agree with his overall sentiment and issues, but the AG 3.0 that I've been using has been solid. Then again, it's the only hybrid I've found that addresses the issues he mentioned, and I have yet to find a full kydex IWB that doesn't do into my flesh eventually. I think their ShapeShift is an answer to a question that I will never ask, and not a very good answer at that. (Even if I was interested, it's not offered for revolvers anyway.)
The Stealthgear holsters also don't have these problems. They're made out of a stiff polymer material and they have excellent retention, just like the pre-Shapeshift alien gear holsters can. I agree the Shapeshift holster is too damn wide, though. Using a Galco holster line to trash all of a certain type is kind of like using a single failure prone Serpa design to bash all active retention holsters.
John S, I agree. Been wearing my AlienGear IWB for 3 years now (had a 2.0, it started to tear so they replaced it with a 3.0) and I haven't found any of these issues with it. 14+ hrs a day/7days a week. The only thing that needs to be done is make sure the screws are tight once in a while...
Can't agree with you on this one John, I have been using hybrid holsters from StealthGear for years for Sig365 and PX4 Compact Carry and I love them. The trigger guards are completely covered and the ventcore is properly trimmed to allow full grip draw with no fuss. Love you channel but got to strongly disagree on the holster, especially here in Florida 95 degree temps, where concealed carry weapon is right against your skin, no undershirts, too hot.
I know this is old, but I also have to disagree. If you watch around the 7:30 timeframe while he is talking about his "muffin top" and drawing and holstering multiple times you will notice that as he draws you see the holster and belt being pulled up, until it gives (releases). I believe this is because when you wear the holster your body is pressing the leather into the gun, whish is then pressing the gun into the kydex, and there is a certain amount of retention inherent in the mold of the trigger guard. ON my exact same holster you do hear a click when holstering if you are wearing the holster. Also watch around 7:49 when he holsters he actually gives it a couple of tugs to be sure it's secure. and this is with a holster with broken kydex. As far as the "flappy wings", that's what the leather is supposed to do so that it hugs and wraps around your body. Sorry, I enjoy both of your channels, but have to respectfully disagree with him on this one.
It was actually, "I used to use this. Here's what I learned about why and how it sucks. Here's what I use now and here's how it addresses the sucky things about what I used to use."
Still didn’t change my mind about aliengear shapeshift 4.0.. It has a steel backing behind the kydex. It’s a solid holster and completely safe, covers the trigger guard and the retention is actually due to the trigger guard… and it has an audible click… Nananuhbooboo, *holding my holster and petting it, telling it not to listen to mean old man and his mean words* .
Yes they do. The alien gear 4.o iwb holster actually has the best retention out there for an iwb holster. the black arch Protos-M also has a fully covered trigger guard.
I watched this full video and I respectfully disagree. I have several custom made full kydex and 1 custom made hybrid. The hybrid is always my go to. Your evaluation on retention is silly because as soon as your body is pressed against the back you get much more positive retention and even an audible click. My holster both covers the trigger gaurd and allows full purchase on the firearm. You cannot squeeze a finger in between the weapon and the leather. I have also worn it for 2 years without any problems. I will agree that some hybrid holsters leave a lot to be desired. But saying they are all terrible is a blanket statement. It would be like saying all full kydex holsters are uncomfortable because some of them dig in. The only thing that you said that holds true in my situation is occasionally muzzling myself while reholstering, but that is more of a training issue on my part as I have been known to do it even with outside the waste band or drop legs when I'm attempting to reholster quickly. I thoroughly enjoy your videos and have learn a lot from all of the real life scenarios. Keep doing what you're doing.
Considering the fact that I have done 2 5k mudruns with my carry weapon I feel extremely confident in the retention. Maybe one day I'll change my mind.
Haha. Come on man. Kydex is great, but kydex holsters have been mainstream for what, 10 years? Crossbreed makes a quality product that conceals perfectly and retains your weapon with no play. I’m cpd and have worn one in plain clothes for years. Plenty of physical altercations, plenty of foot chases, it hasn’t failed. Love your videos man but this one seems over the top judgemental to me. No knock, do what you like, but hybrid has its place and for me I’ll take a hybrid by crossbreed any day.
My only comment with the video was that a good gun belt provides a tremendous amount of support and rigidity to a hybrid holster. The retention thing is well-stated though. I don't see too many hybrid holsters with adjustable retention. My Crossbreed doesn't have it. Granted it's an appendix carry design, so I'm not sure it really needs the same kind of retention as a 3 or 4 o'clock carry, but there you go.
I am replacing my Crossbreed Freedom carry AIWB because the thin Kydex has split on both sides and now has zero retention. I will admit that when it was new it had decent retention but now I have to tighten my belt a bit to keep it secure. For those of you who have had good luck with hybrids, congratulations. I won't buy another one.
The Triggerati not even a good gun belt which is obscene for daily travels but just drop the standard c clips and opt for the leather snap locks that loop over the belt... Worn that for 10yrs and never had an issue with slipage, or loose carry
J D Ive been Crossbreeding for 2 years...NO PROBLEM! I even use the crossbreed holster i got for my Glock 30, to carry my Glock 19 and 26! I simply pull my belt a lil tighter. Done! Cant do that with an all plastic holster!
Joey Nice the one John is showing is by Galco. And it indeed looks pretty crappy. Incidentally, I have a full leather Galco Stow-N-Go IWB and the retention is horrible and the trigger guard is gappy just like John’s example.
Daniel W my spankn new alien gear for a sig p320 leaves the top of the trigger guard open just like the galco in this video , has zero click in retention, and the backing is about 3/4 of an inch too far out and interfere's with where my thumb grabs the gun on the draw stroke ,but the stitching is right there so there's no cutting an alien gear to fit .. and shaking it hard the gun falls out WAY easier then a Desantis kydex , the complete kydex Desantis has none of the issues the Alien Gear does .. I loved that Alien holster till I watched this video and compared it to the others I had
@Daniel W idk if you know thos but you can actually set what retention you want on your pistol. With the tool they send you can make it insanely hard to pull out or really easy and anywhere in between
Fantastic points and everybody who carries should watch, but at the end of the day the best gun (and holster) is the one that you're going to actually carry and use, for many of us that's going to be a kydex/leather hybrid. Thanks for the vid
Not True. However, you can think as you think. Floppies don't happen when worn. My Cross Breed, White Hat and Garrett Holsters work great with the firearm for which I bought them. To add retention to a Kydex holster, use a hair drier to heat the Kydex and push in where you want the retention to be.
@@thisismagacountry1318 I have a cross breed it worked floppy in like two weeks. I think what he is trying to say is about retention. I find it hard to believe anyone here has one that still locks the sidearm securely. That means at all angles.Not just right side up. When its half leather.
Stealthgear makes some hybrid holsters that do have a very positive click and positive retention. They completely cover the trigger and there’s no slop on their proprietary backing material to the kydex. You should try them. I think they might pass your test with flying colors.
I have both stealthgear and alien gear as well as MANY kydex hosters. I prefer the stealthgear. I haven't had the problems that were mentioned. I did have to adjust the tension on both the stealth gear and alien gear like I have to for some kydex. The alien gear clips tend to wobble loose and I have to re tighten them. In general I can wear a kydex iwb but even the smallest pistols tend to print and those that don't are usually uncomfortable no matter the cant or adjustments I make. I've also experienced the issue of getting a firm purchase with kydex holsters as well so that issue isn't exclusive to hybrids. His points are well taken, but it's not as easy as just going out and buying an all kydex holster. I have two boxes of left handed kydex holsters. Each were quality holsters, but lacking in one or more ways. He may be right and I have limited experience with gun courses, but the few allowed owb on a belt for their students (not my normal carry position). I will say that I have had more problems with kydex mag carriers not retaining and dropping mags in public places when I bend down, or working their way up and off the belt clip (I know I know, loops will fix it), etc. Than I've had with hybrids. I've found a few kydex mags with good retention and stayed in place when running jumping, bending down etc. Anyway, in summary Leather, Kydex and hybrid holsters may suffer from the things he mentioned. It isn't limited to hybrid or leather. A well made hybrid holster will work until the search for the "perfect" kydex holster that doesn't print is found for each person. If it isn't comfortable or doesn't hide the pistols well then people will be less likely to carry every day. The stealth gear is comfortable for me. It works and I rotate my pistols in edc (some all kydex) I also have tried aiwb kydex holsters, but with most clothes they aren't comfortable even with micro compacts unless I wear pants 4-6" larger. ,
Your points about kydex bring better are spot on. My issue is on program compliance, I’m far more likely to carry a hybrid. I’m well aware of the short comings of the hybrids but I accept that for comfort and far increased odds of having my firearms if ever needed. Good video though. I would like to know how someone with a thicker waist line carry’s appendix. I tried and really sucked.
I've had to put loctite thread locker on my alien gear holster to keep the belt clips from coming off. Haven't gotten it broken in to the "floppy" point yet, however it is comfortable but I'm afraid the clips will fall off so it will likely be new forever.
erozpl01 - True store that I couldn’t believe. Had a crazy Girlfriend I had faithfully been with for 4 years, we were arguing, I still had my brand new Pistol at my 4:30 position. I turned my back on her, yup you guessed it, she grabbed it. I could not believe that someone that personally close to me would do something like that. I bet if someone I didn’t know wanted to sneak up on me it would have ended way worse. 2 things happened that day, 1) I dumped Crazy Chic, 2) It cured me of carrying a gun so someone could come up from behind me and grab it. For CCW it’s AIWB or in my pocket, ONLY. An attacker won’t be unseen and will have to get thru my hands first. Look at some of the best gun fighters in the old West, Wild Bill always carried Appendix in a sash belt thingy x2. I wonder if he had a similar happening in a saloon. Food for thought y’all.
Hi John English is not my mother tongue, and I love watching your videos (also) because I learn so many fancy expressions from them ! From now on, I'm going to call this small overweight of mine a "tactictal muffin top" too :D
John why don't you design and market a hands down best CCW holster ? You seem to have an oppenion on the pro's and con's of every holster but never a solution ?
We have a list of holster makers we recommend here: activeselfprotection.com/holsters/ I am currently carrying in a Dark Star Gear Orion. I have talked about good holster qualities a lot on the channel. I also have no desire to become a manufacturer.
Agreed, this guy presents and doesn’t mix words. His points are well made, and while he may not appear to be as high speed as some other tactical videos, he speaks from using stuff and beating on it in training classes. There is no better place to test gear than in a thousand round pistol or rifle class- shit just falls apart, literally. After taking many classes, it’s amazing how much gear (even stuff that is expensive) literally breaks or fails, and not to start a war in this response, I’ve seen more 1911’s shit the bed in a high volume training class than anything else. But besides specific firearms, gear seems to often just fail, usually in the middle of a string of fire where your doing something unusual like shooting while prone or being in the desert dirt, where dirt and junk gets into holsters, ejection ports, etc...love these videos, nobody has the balls anymore to say when something just sucks, this guy does it regularly, watch the Serpa video
My first holster is a Milt Sparks VM2 in Horsehide. No click but retention was never a problem. None of the wear and tear you experience. It's like new after years of carrying, from the heat and humidity of FL to the cold and snow of UT to the rain of WA. I can't speak for hybrids, but leather is great. Especially because it gets vegans extra mad.
"tactical shelf" , simply great . Love both the channels , and how you actually show a personality instead of reading facts about the products off the manufacturers website . Great videos , love them all .
Thanks for the video, but gotta disagree with you here. Most of these issues are eliminated by holsters with stiffer leather, adjustable retention, and a deeper cut. The holsters from HiddenHybrid accomplish this very well.
Been a tradition leather guy for a long time. My daily carry holster is a desantis thumb break scabbard model 001 b6 . It has very positive thumb break snap.this holster has tension screw. It is a 2 position holster. I have had this holster for 4 years , I have rolled around dirt , gravel you name it . I have treated it like I stole it. My friends keep buying cheap holsters and that drives me nuts. And shows no signs of cracking. And I wear it 8 hours + - every day.
Agree with all your points. Another is if the belt is TOO tight, it MAY impede the draw and is unacceptable. Another point: most folks who do the inverted holster trick do so with an UNLOADED pistol. The full mag of ammo might allow the gun to FALL OUT, UNLESS there is a retention screw. Excellent video !!!
Modifying a Safariland ALS OWB to an IWB; Like John mentions in this video, the thumb release retention mechanism of the Safariland ALS 7378 is the best. When I thumb the release, my Sig P365 will come out of the holster without any resistance. When re-holstering, simply drop it back into holster and it automatically locks with a nice click But as an OWB, it is hard to conceal and all OWB holsters, including the ALS 7378, are a floppy encumbrance as you go about your day. In my opinion, IWB is the best way to carry a pistol. I was seriously considering a crappy IWB hybrid holster, but thank God I saw this video from my hero John before I bought one. After watching this video, I thought, “Why not make my OWB ALS 7378 an IWB holster - that would be the perfect holster”. That is what I did! I removed the OWB belt mount and mounted the holster onto a piece of leather and put belt loops on the leather to make it an IWB. It looks like the crappy hybrid holsters John describes in this video but it does not have all the negatives that John points out. And yes, the thumb release still works perfect and re-holstering feels absolutely safe. After some trial and error, in my opinion, I have created the perfect IWB holster!
why is it a problem that the sides of a hybrid holster bend and conform to you body ? "floppy" you say ..seems like a good thing to me .. i have that Galco kingtuk for my G19 ... my alien gear is new ,but with my p320 has a click when it's on my waist , and you can not dump it out or shake it out ,upside down , doesn't matter .. great video ,just having a hard time justifying what your saying looking at my own holsters
Active Self Protection Extra so I watched the video for a second time , sitting here with a similar set of holsters as you have .. click retention is not there on the hybrids ,it's just the gun bottoming out i was hearing, not a click in.. the alien gear blocks my thumb just a little, I'd hafta cut the stitching off to remove maybe 3/4 of an inch ,not gonna do it .. good points here ! the hybrids are more comfortable for me , sucks to not use them any more ,but I see multiple valid points from you as I sit with my holsters and guns and play along with your video ..
Active Self Protection Extra i still think "floppy" isn't a bad thing long as it's not going to cause any issues , it's just conforming to your body..ill agree to disagree there with ya , every other point you made I wholeheartedly agree with and will not be rockn hybrids any more .. my rants over , lol ..
Stealthgear is a great hybrid holster. Doesn't have the downside of a leather backing. Also has excellent retention and it's adjustable. And the Kydex wraps over the end of the muzzle so that it can't be pushed out buy things like a seat belt clasp when you're sitting in a car unlike many hybrid and Kydex holsters. I've had my Stealthgear holster over 2 years and it looks and performs as brand new.
Here in idaho with no restrictions on how we carry OWB leather that pulls in close with or without thump snap retention is the most comfortable thing I’ve found having the “tactical muffin top”. Just a T-shirt or a loose button up shirt or light windbreaker has got you covered. I’ve used just about everything available over the past 30 years including the Alien Gear hybrids. I have a vacuum mold and have made many kydex holster for myself others that want them.
Robert Rodriguez shouldn't divide, people in the gun commubity should discuss the pros and cons like civilized humans who want to learn more. We shouldn't attach emotion to our opinions ! Stops us from keeping an open mind. John at least has back up for all his negative points, even if you disagree with him.
No shit, right? I was about to rip this guy a new one and then I thought I'd better check the comments first. It's all already been covered...multiple times... LOL
I've bought so many holsters that finding that perfect holster is kind of a unicorn. I've had pretty good experiences with some inexpensive kydex holsters. I'm not a fan of leather but I can see the appeal. The spandex type holsters are mostly garbage from my experience but come in handy when that rare instance I leave the house in gym shorts. Pocket holsters are below average but kinda nice for some micro 380s. Hybrid holsters can give you some options and allow a new shooter to try carrying a 4 o'clock owb, 4 o'clock iwb, appendix carrying, and once you find what works well for you and your body type, I would absolutely recommend finding a reputable kydex holster company and spending that $100 on a custom made holster. I would just make sure you have the weapon light, optic/sights and any other aftermarket parts you want on the firearm before you purchase one. Otherwise you'll be buying multiple custom holsters to fit your current set up like I have. I have a a duffel bag full of unused holsters. I basically use 1 high end kydex for appendix carry with a side car mag carrier for my main carry, an inexpensive $40 (but still from a reputable company) kydex appendix carry holster for my other carry and a few owb holsters for my battle belt set up. I actually have holsters for all of my pistols which are dozens fyi.
There's a belly band type "holster" that acts as a belt to carry your normal holster instead of being a holster itself. I really don't trust them otherwise
I carry a P365 in a crossbreed mini tuck. Covers the trigger, holds the gun fine, reholsters fine, and personally I prefer flexible leather against my skin over solid plastic leaving wear marks on my side.
Good video, and I tend to value John's opinions on many things. He certainly brings up some great points here, as usual. However, this video is now almost five years old! There have been many improvements from several manufacturers that might make it worth fresh evaluation! (I have no "skin in the game", but I'm always trying to stay educated regarding "best practices".)
Not on actual hybrids. There are a couple of companies that have adjusted to make a 3/4 kydex that completely covers the trigger guard and add a fabric backer that is reinforced that are acceptable. Black Arch is my favorite.
@@ASPextra I'm very new to this, but I've been looking at a bunch of holsters and I've seen something called "lock leather" now. They've started putting plastic retention clips inside leather holsters. Like I said, I am very new to this, but the retention clip in a leather holster would probably take care of your retention concern.
The Shape Shift is not a hybrid holster. It is a kydex holster with a fabric backer and a multiple-attachment system. So it's not what I am talking about here.
Active Self Protection Extra - isn’t it what you were talking about at the end- wider because of the multi-attach points, or no? Looks like a new attach system might keep it thinner/closer to body? Thoughts?
"My opinion, my opinion, my opini-" "But John, my hybrid holster works grea-" "Yeah I knew some of you would say that but you're wrong." **SNORTS COCAIN**
The protos-m holster by black arch is technically a hybrid, but the kytex wraps around the trigger guard and has great retention. And it clicks in. The sweat guard doesn't block the draw either. The only hybrid holster that covers all the cons you pointed out
My Comp-Tac MTAC holster: 1. Has adjustable retention 2. Allows for a full grip on the gun 3. FULLY covers the trigger guard 4. FULLY covers the barrel of the gun 5. Allows me to completely hide a full-sized 1911 under a slim-fit t-shirt 6. Adjusts for both cant and ride height 7. Fully covers all screws/rivets on the back side I once had a Crossbreed and it: 1. Had horrible retention 2. Stunk like crazy (the leather dye, maybe?) 3. Had exposed screws/rivets on the back side against my skin 4. Was ultimately tossed in the trash So there are good ones and there are crappy ones. It sounds like you need to check out a good one before saying that they're all bad.
After watching this I was very curious. I went home and check my ALien gear 3.0 IWB old version and all my firearms clicked into the kydex & locked into place just like your full kydex style before I put it on. Meaning my body is not the retention the molded shield is. I can turn it upside down and shake it and it stays if that a critical indicator of what a good holster is. I don’t even have the screws super tight bec once I put it on I wouldn’t be able to draw the gun. Also I have the metal clips and once I pop those over my belt that things not coming off period or it hasn’t in 4 years. Also all of my kydex shields fully cover the triggers they all butt up against the back of the trigger guard. I can’t even see it. I also have no issues re-holstering its very easy, slide right back into place. It’s incredibly comfortable to wear all day and have had zero issues. Now I have heard plenty of guys complaining about the full kydex holster killing there sides and being very uncomfortable to wear. Can’t speak to other hybrids. I did have a concealment express IWB and was not a fan. Good retention single clip worked fine no better the my AG but it was so much fatter . Not nearly as comfortable so I sold it. So based on this video my perception of what’s being said its that it would not just be hybrids but also full leather would be no good either they will also loosen up and lose there shape over time. I highly doubt any leather holster turned upside down is going to keep your firearm in it while shaking it IWB or OWB.
You should “test drive” an OWB De Santis Mini-Scabbard. My G43 remains in holster while vigorously shaking holster upside down. Phillips head retention screw provides easy adjustment. Trigger guard covered. Leather is very rigid so can’t squeeze finger in. And it rides high and close to body, plus comfortable. Optional suede lining provides protection to gun’s finish.
Hello, Mr. John, firstly I wanna say I love your videos! I've been carrying for about 3 years or so now and love watching your stuff. Anyway, I just wanted to say, as some others have said that I must respectfully disagree with this video. I own an Aliengear Cloaktuck 3.0, which was my only holster until last December when I bought their new Shapeshift kit, which includes the Cloacktuck 4.0, and absolutely love my holsters. They're quite well made, and I personally don't have any trouble holstering my weapon, and also have the "tactical muffin top" as you put it. Anyway, like I said, I do enjoy your videos, but must respectfully disagree with your statement that all hybrid holsters suck. Have a good day sir and I look forward to your other videos!
I just got a crossbreed reckoning hybrid holster and while I’ll admit it’s new and could warp or wear over time, it certainly doesn’t show any of the issues you’re describing..... 1. It’s not floppy at all, the hooks attach to the kydex instead of the leather and there’s very little excess to flop around 2. It fully encompasses the trigger guard 3. It’s extremely tight and there’s no way anything is getting inside to pull the trigger 4. It’s combat cut so getting a good purchase on the gun is easy 5. It has great retention, if anything it’s too tight and I need to use one of the several retention adjustment spots to loosen it So I ultimately agree that a kydex is better, I just find that the reckoning conceals better, so I’m going with that till it gives me a reason not to, so far it’s an awesome holster
Some interesting points. I can see all of those being valid but haven't experienced it personally with my CompTac MTAC. It has a dimple that clicks over the trigger guard, the clips are adjustable height/cant, sweat shield doesn't seem to get in the way for draws or holstering. Maybe it's just a better model of the style. I've run it in many USPSA style competitions and never felt limited by it. Not sure it would be my first choice now but I bought it many years ago and haven't seen a reason to replace it.
Wish I listened to this...I saw it, but was like "well some of them get great reviews, so a good one must be ok". Ordered a Crossbreed Reckoning for a P365 and basically immediately returning it. The trigger guard isn't even fully covered and you can easily get drawstring, shirt, and even a finger (I don't have large hands/fingers) into it. The retention is good and holster is super comfortable just trying it for a brief time (not even worn in). Definitely going back to full Kydex with properly covered trigger guard.
Part of the reason I don’t like IWB holsters anymore. I only use them when I need more concealment. I have used an Alien Gear OWB for my J frame for the last 5 years. I have had no retention problems AT ALL. It covers the trigger. I just bought a S&W Shield and bought a “compact “ kidex holster (that fits multi compact guns) from PHALANX Defense Systems. I love it! It locks in SOLID and fits close to the body. It is also very comfortable.
I bought an alien gear hybrid and returned it after a couple of days. I went with one from we the people holsters and its a very good holster. Added a wing and a wedge, conceals pretty easily appendix.
Look I am a leather holster maker who used to make those hybrid holsters, key word used to, so I can speak with some knowledge on the subject. You are so full of disinformation, a polite word for it, that I am sitting here laughing. The benefit of the so called floppiness is comfort and not a detriment. It forms to your body dude and that's a good thing. As far as dirt and things getting into it, for God's sake keep it clean and that with Kydex is very easy to do.. I just don't like an IWB carry and Fox and Alien Gear have made them so cheap I couldn't compete. However when I do carry IWB with a full size not baby gun sized gun I will opt for that style hands down every time for comfort and speed of draw. The down side is putting it on and taking it off. That is the only short coming. Remember this is coming from someone who can have any holster they want and has had every reasonable holster there is to draw these conclusions from. But I still prefer all leather OWB for many reasons. Remember they all have trade offs none are perfect.
I’ve been packing heat for over 30 years...and I have boxes full of holsters in the garage....many of them for guns I no longer have and a few I tried for a few days and gave up on...I agree with the summary of Hybrids suck. I’ also started making leather holsters 20 years ago, and just started bending kydex....I won’t make a hybrid until I can come up with one that solves these problems. Good video.
Very good retention can be achieved in a holster with sufficient pressure and friction, without a click point, while also fully covering the trigger and allowing a very good grip during draw. The click point with Kydex holsters is just because they all of a sudden go from zero or very little retention to full retention at a specific click point, as opposed to a holster constantly building up pressure and friction on the gun as it’s inserted in the holster. However regardless of having a click point or not, there is still a certain amount of force plus motion that will cause a gun to come out of any holster, even click-in Kydex retention holsters. Click-in retention holsters that go from 0 to 100% retention all at once, is not the only way to achieve sufficient retention with a holster. Holsters can also achieve very sufficient retention by constantly building more pressure and friction the further the firearm is inserted into the holster. There may not be a click point, but the pressure and friction that the two halves of the holsters place on the gun can be more than sufficient enough to retain the gun in the holster under all, but the most extreme, absurd situations, like being hung upside down and shook rapidly. Of course there will always be a point where force plus motion will cause a non-click-in pressure/friction retention holster to allow a gun to come out, just like there is always a point where force plus motion will cause a click-in Kydex retention holster to release a gun and allow it to come out. I would argue that there are many very good non-click-in non-Kydex holsters that employ plenty of pressure and friction on the gun that it will not come out under similar circumstances as a click-in Kydex holster. With any holster there is a point where enough force and motion will release a gun. Perhaps that threshold is a little higher with Kydex click-in holsters, but as long as a non-click pressure/friction holster is sufficient to hold a gun in place under conditions. I think that’s still a safe holster.
Agree. First holster was a Crossbreed that I cut down because of the "sweat shield" top flop (meaning no more "sweat shield" or layer between me and the gun where it dug into my side). I also just did not like dealing with a two-clip design and want quick, easy on/off. Single clip only for me now (and if anyone thinks they need two to carry a full-sized gun, I EDC a Beretta 92-series very comfortably in a Vedder LightTuck, which has the best clip I have yet run across). Hybrids do not retain as well because they are not form-fitting to the gun on one side - this was true when I carried a PX-4 in a Crossbreed. Next holster was a custom leather one. It was ok, just ok, main things are they retain moisture, wear out faster, and are harder to re-holster because even with reinforcement they tend to collapse when the gun is removed. Also hated the Chicago screws on the Crossbreed I had, they constantly loosened up. Only thing I did was keep the clips and modify a kydex holster for a Beretta Nano to use one of them instead of the clip it came with (and it is still inferior to the Vedder clip or even some kydex clips with spring tension). The rest of it is history.
@@ASPextra true, mine just relied on an extra layer of stiff leather... but the other issues remain... nothing beats a quality leather holster for looks, but they're made to be seen and not used too much (and I mean the pretty ones, I'm not saying a regular one isn't useful, I just don't prefer it).
So much misinformation in this video he assumes you're a gunfighter or something you're going to be drawing your pistol a hundred times and a day he's pistols are designed to be locked in by the pressure from your belt and not come out there for daily carry not for gun fighting
You've successfully demonstrated that you don't understand how the function is engineered into hybrid holsters. You seem to have decent knowledge of civilian armed conflict but you just embarrassed yourself. You're lying to your students about a FEW things in this video. You're not preparing them for reality. You should delete this particular video. Save your reputation
As a person who has also carried a galco king tuk (glock17) for two years+ and liked it...you make very good points. I’ve ran into most of these issues.
You have a many valid points. However, that was kydex with a stress crack. It is injection molded plastic. It is a cheaper and weirder material. Also comparing a production hybrid to a custom kydex. Makes perfect sense if you don't think about it
My first holster was a leather IWB by Leather Arsenal. It was a good one, but I had the same problem with the "muffin top" and worse yet, I couldn't care my 1911 cocked and locked, because the holster would allow the safety to switch off. I now have a C &K IWB kidded (sp?) and it has NOT come uncooked once since I've owned it. Good Video John! Thanks
I have a Hidden Hybrid Holster for my sig p229, p320, and a ruger lcr. All have been in use for at least 3 years. None of my holsters have any of these "issues" other than the "floppy" part. But it's leather... It's a lot more comfortable to wear, and leather gets soft and conforms to the body extremely well. The sweat shield on mine does not get soft and floppy though, it is well reinforced to prevent that. Every holster type has pros and cons. If your buying a well made quality holster you will be fine no matter what style it is. Even a well made and reinforced nylon holster works perfectly fine. To each their own. Choose the type of holster that works best for you in your daily routine. For me, that's a hybrid holster, specifically a Hidden Hybrid Holster.A solid kydex holster, to me, is not very comfortable for all day wear IWB. They are superior in regards to retention and rigidity perhaps, but not in comfort, and you can't even argue that they are. If I am going to the range to train, then I use a different holster. I know hybrid holsters have limitations, but I'm not going to be drawing and reholstering my gun tons of time each day so the downside to reholstering with one is a moot point really. I do practice drawing, but I don't do so with a loaded weapon. Once I put on my holster, I have no need to draw, much less reholster, unless I am engaging a threat.Bottom line is not all holsters are created equal, not even all hybrid holsters. Buy a quality, well built holster and most of these issues brought up are well, not.
I've tried them all and in different positions and agree with most of your points. What I've learned from experience is Get a CompTac Infidel Ultra Max and carry appendix. Done.
My second holster way a hybrid. It worked until it didn't for the reasons you mentioned. The leather weakens, the sweat shield affects the draw. Biggest gripe was one of the belt clips bent outward and the holster didn't stay in place anymore. It would ride up and come out if I drew the gun. Now I use simple kydex vacuum formed holsters, similar to John's. Strong, light weight, adjustable, minimal, and has a secure fit. And even with a secure fit I can still adjust my carry position if I have to during my day. Also a big factor, those kinds of holsters are significantly cheaper.
Reasons you list hybrid IWB Holsters are bad: 1) Floppy 2) Trigger guard uncovered on one or both sides 3) Sweat guard prevents full firing grip 4) "Poor" retention 5) Stress points, kydex cracking/breaking 6) Belt clips can bend 7) If you don't reholster properly you might point your gun at yourself 8) Synthetic material "bends more, wears faster, creates more problems" First of all, I carry with an Alien Gear 3.0 IWB, and the primary reason I do is *comfort.* I've tried several other all kydex IWB models, and each one gouged or stabbed at me in different ways and was just generally horrifically uncomfortable for my body type, to the point where I *would not carry* with those holsters. For me, the number one reason I prefer hybrids, is they are comfortable enough for me to actually carry. OWB holsters also don't work for me, mainly because 95% of the clothing I have wouldn't conceal an OWB, and I'm not particularly fond of the idea of open carry. To address your problem list (and many others in the comments have already addressed some or all of these points, these are just my personal thoughts): 1) You say the IWB holster material gets floppy and that means it's weakening or wearing out - I disagree, particularly with synthetic material, I actually prefer that bendy, molded inner material, because it's conformed to your body shape and carry position - extremely comfortable. This material is what makes these holsters comfortable, because no kydex and very little of your firearm is actually touching (stabbing) your "muffin top" (body). Agree to disagree here. 2) I carry a Springfield XDS, and my kydex shell 100% covers my entire trigger guard, you can't poke a paperclip in there. And on the inner side, the way you are able to jam your finger up underneath with the leather can't be done on mine, not by me at least - I tried. Probably the metal inside the liner making it stiff enough - but even so, I find this an unrealistic problem - at no time ever could something inadvertently jam itself inside that shell the way you do with your finger. 3) Not a problem on the AG 3.0. The sweat guard is designed without covering the grip, and a full purchase is achieved. 4) The retention on most hybrids is adjustable with screws (which can be loc-tited down once tuned properly), allowing the same retention as any full kydex holster without any mechanically engaging retention devices. If your retention is just hearing a "click", but your holster doesn't have any mechanically engaging retention devices (rotating hood, thumb release, etc), then that "click" is just your firearm pinching into the tightest part of the kydex. This effect is achievable with an IWB hybrid too, because that kydex pinch retention doesn't have to come from one side of the firearm to the other, it can come from the top to the bottom; this doesn't require a completely enclosed kydex shell. No matter what holster, if it's just kydex with no devices, then any plausible scenario where your gun gets pulled out would occur with any kydex holster, not just hybrids. So again, agree to disagree that retention is somehow a problem. 5) That's some cheap ass thin kydex if it's cracking like that. I don't see that happening with the boltaron AG uses, even under intense training. 6) Crappy metal ones like on that King Tuck might bend. The AG ones don't move at all, they keep the holster positioned exactly where I want it, with adjustable height. I see nothing wrong here. 7) Flagging yourself because your muffin top pushes the sweat guard over is a training issue (and a body issue, which I admittedly have too), not a holster design flaw. But, when you holster, I do press the sweat guard back with my muzzle, but that can be done without flagging yourself quite easily, you just have to push your muffin top back along with it. No one's ever in a race to reholster the fastest, and if you have the muscle memory that you should, there's no issue here. 8) I haven't seen it the wearing out or problems you claim, and see #1) about the bending. Even if it does wear out over time, the entire holster costs $45, so I'm willing to repay that every few years if needed for the comfort I get. So in summary, all of the problems you mentioned either don't exist (particularly on MY Alien Gear 3.0), or are subjective opinions and aren't really problems at all. And again, the #1 thing about hybrid holsters is *comfort.* It doesn't matter how well designed other holsters might be or what features they have, if you won't carry with it because it's not comfortable, then it's *not* a good holster. Thanks for the vids John, love your channel and have recommended it to many friends.
Been using Crossbreed supertuck for 8-10 years. A+ rated. Trained with it including rolling around on the ground grappling to retain the pistol. Zero problems with retention . Love Crossbreed
What in the world are you trying to say here? 1000s of us adorn ourselves with hybrid holsters everyday and we keep buying more. With all his theatrics and exaggerated motions, this has the impact of an anti hybrid infomercial seen at 2am. Not cool.
Agree with some, disagree with some. 58, shooting since I was 5, concealed carrier for nearly 30 years, part-time firearms instructor, full-time pastor for 30 years. I have two tote bins full of various holsters.... pretty much, you name it... I have tried it. The past 5+ years have been using an Alien Gear IWB... "IN MY EXPERIENCE AND OPINION"..... it's the best of everything that I have used over the past 30 years. I carry IWB right side at 3:30.... I have never had a shell crack and I carry 7 days a week, all day. I have never had an issue with the sweat guard getting in the way of holstering.... and I practice and shoot a lot. You demonstrated the flexibility of the "wings".... off the body! It's not designed to be used that way! When attached it is very secure.... I use a good belt and it is very "firm". I use the metal clips.... they hold tight and have never failed as of yet. The plastic clips and loops that I have tried over the years have failed at various times. I carried appendix in a full Kydex for a couple years.... hated it.... stuck with it because some "instructors" bark loud and long about it being "the" only position for serious concealed carriers.... well, it doesn't work for me. My firearm is very secure in this holster when on the body as designed..... I am "very" active.... I have seven grandchildren and we do a good deal playing, wrestling, sports..... never ever have I had my firearm fall out or even come lose. When I holster in the morning my firearm "clicks" into the holster firmly (it doesn't off the body... which really is a moot point), it takes a good solid grip and pull to draw the firearm out of the holster. I use my EDC set up for IDPA.... have never had any kind of an issue related to my holster. But.... this is "my" experience.... what works for me may not work as well for someone else! Great videos.... have watched all of them (I think)! Keep them coming!
That does exist now. I think the best combo is a 3/4 kydex that covers the trigger guard fully and then some kind of leather or mesh backer for strong side carriers for comfort.
I see a lot of your point, I carry a Fierce Defender kydex holster which I love. However, when not running that I do use an AG which does cover the whole trigger guard and the cut of the sweat shield does allow me to get a full grip. It also has an audible click when inserted and holds in well and doesn't just fall out, because AG produces all their holster with customizable tension and ride height. I usually run my FD but do alternate with my AG due to clothing, weather, etc.
have an aliengear iwb 3.0 and was testing it around the house and bending over doing yard work the thing flew right out of the holster and onto the concrete. I was very impressed
After viewing this video, I examined my oh-so-comfortable MTR Custom Leather A-2 hybrid holster for my CZ SP-01. The gun's heavy and I really like how this hybrid distributes the load. Uses Ultraclips, which have proven rock solid. The holster hits all points but one. While the retention started out good, I've noticed that, over time, the leather has gotten more pliable. Definitely going to need to be careful in public restrooms, bungee jumping, and skydiving. Combining any of those three is way out! Seriously though, for my G26, I couldn't be happier with my Vedder. It hits all the points you've highlighted.
1. If someone is able to stick their finger down your pants and pull the trigger then you have bigger issues. 2. The pressure of your body against the leather increases tension in the holster thereby creating sufficient retention on the weapon. 3. If your holster has begun to break down, buy a new one. They don’t last forever, get over it. 4. If you’re too large to use this type of holster then change your habits or change your holster. I’m a large man too and I have no issues drawing or reholstering without having to point a gun at my hip. 5. The trigger guard doesn’t need to be covered more than it is. This is just paranoia. Safety is important but if you’re going to go to that extreme then don’t carry at all because you’re statistically more likely to get shot by your own gun anyway.
I think you make some valid points. Particularly the point about pointing the pistol at yourself when re-holstering. But then you say you appendix carry. My experience with appendix carry is that you are usually pointing the pistol directly at your femoral artery when re-holstering. This is one big reason why I don't appendix carry.
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I don't typically use hybrids anymore because I carry AIWB most if not all the time now-a-days. My first holster/carry gun was a Crossbreed Supertuck with a Glock 21. When that holster came to me, it's retention was through the roof, like I had to put the holster on my belt in order to secure it enough to pull the gun out. Throughout the years I trained with that holster doing Judo,Jujutsu, FMA and various other things and I never had it drop the gun out of the holster. Even when it started to lose it's retention with age, once it was secure on my belt, my gun was in there pretty good, and it was secure enough to grapple with. I totally get the argument on the topic and I basically use all kydex AIWB exclusively now, but I would still use the 1 Hybrid I have left if I were to carry 3-4 o clock again (I would possibly consider buying an all kydex one done the road, but it definitely wouldn't be a priority for me). I think it's all about quality products and actually running your gear to see what it is and isn't capable of. I have also done all of the aforementioned with a duty rig, as well as AIWB, and that's pretty important in my mind, because you really get to see the limitations of your gear, and the limitations that are placed on you by carrying it in a certain way.
Speaking from experience and the importance of retention: I've carried a full size Springfield 1911 for years. The first holster I bought for it was a Crossbreed hybrid. It was always clear that this holster was NOT designed for retention. The gun is extremely loose in it, however it was comfortable and I had trained myself to deal with it's shortcomings, or so I thought.
One evening I got into a scuffle with another guy. He ended up on his back, and I was on top of him pinning him down. In the commotion, my gun fell out of my holster and onto the road. The sight of it scared the fight out of him completely, and I quickly recovered the gun. Change very few details, and that encounter could have gone very differently.
Oof. I am glad it came out okay!
@@ASPextra 🤙 lessons learned my friend
@@ASPextra but the problem was that it came out too easily! XD
Never looked at hybrid holster that way thanks for the info i wont be getting one
I'll take things that never happened for $500 Alex.
I was carrying with an IWB hybrid holster at the 5oclock while riding my motorcycle when I had an accident. I slid for about 30-40 feet and my handgun was still properly in place and the holster hadn't moved an inch. It is all about the quality of the holster you purchase and how well secured it is on your belt.
Galco has pretty good leather and remember he specifically spoke on longevity. Leather breaks down and loses shape and when it does that it loses retention. Later down the line of this had happened it could’ve went totally different
My Alien Gear IWB covers the trigger guard fully. And I can grab with a full firing grip. And the passive retention is solid. So I have to take this video with a grain of salt.
Terrible holsters. I stand by that.
If you have one of their multi-holster thingies, my problems with that is at the end.
I have been using the version 3 for a couple years and do not have any of the problems John mentions. I have had my CCW since 1991 (26 years) and the Alien Gear 3 is my favorite holster of all time. I do think a lot of Hybrids do have issues, but Alien Gear's version 3 has fixed most of the issues. I also believe that big bellies and Hybrids do not mix. I am an avid runner so that issue does not affect me.
Fair enough. But I do have to say this…everyone that talks about carrying a gun always makes the joke about having a dresser drawer full of holsters. Basically, holsters are about finding the best one for you, with the fewest compromises. I don’t think there is or ever could be a best holster (except in heaven). So unfortunately it’s trial and error; and the awareness of safety and other facets.
Active Self Protection Extra my Alien Gear IWB 4.0 is the best holster I've tried. My 3.0 IWB is also very comfortable. I carry a Glock 19 and S&W Shield 9mm. Both are very comfortable in these holsters.
Some good points but a blanket statement of "all hybrid holsters suck" is not correct.
Exactly correct. Obviously somebody has a highly inflated view of himself and his opinion.
I think he goes by what he sees when he trains, and all the hybrid holsters he has seen are bad, so he thinks they all are pretty much bad. If he has seen enough of them, I don't think that it's unreasonable for him to think that. it might not be 100% true, but it's also not unreasonable. there may be some hybrid holsters out there that he hasn't seen and that are good. also he did say this was his belief ;)
Ok so can someone please start naming some good ones? Cause I can’t find any
@Chris Bork Check out Hidden Hybrid Holsters or High Threat Concealment, I've used holsters/gear from both companies while in the Middle East. When I have the option to bring my own, or purchase my own gear, I take the HHH. They are made to order for the specific model, also if you have a light or an optic they will mold the kydex to the specific attachments. It uses retention screws for the trigger guard and does not protrude out the back side or into the leather.
@Chris Bork It absolutely has.
I've been using the same Vedder holster with my S&W M&P Shield 9mm for almost three years. It's leather-backed, with a molded Kydex outer shell. The pressure of wearing it against my body actually DOES allow it to CLICK into place, and despite extensive wear, the holster retains my gun beautifully, and I can get a full firing grip on it when drawing. To each his own, I guess...
Same here.
Love your videos, but totally disagree with some of your points on this one. I have carried a Crossbreed for many years with no issues. I have always gotten horse hide leather, and believe it holds up much better, especially here in the hot humid south. I’m also on the other end of the weight spectrum (very thin) and have tried numerous all kydex holsters, and simply cannot conceal them.
I love my alien holster. EVERY complaint you had about hybird holsters are NOT TRUE with the alien holster.
I agree on all points but the audible click. An audible click doesn’t necessarily mean the Holsters has sufficient retention. I’ve made prototypes where the gun would click into place and then fall out when turned upside down. Also depending on belt pressure a holster may not have sufficient retention a click off body but it does on body. That’s going to vary from person to person.
I think that's fair, but I still think hybrid holsters fail in retention far more often than non-hybrid.
Agreed on that but a trend I'm seeing in a lot of holsters (including all kydex) in improper retention. That's always been the case though. Most companies aren't phlster and don't test a holster with a real gun or has a repeatable manufacturing process that negates the need for a real gun to test.
Retention is much more than just falling out of the holster.
+Randy She The extreme case is the one where it matters most. I'm thinking about switching to a button-locked holster.
Every holster I make has a click and adjustable retention.The vac formed junk has a terrible fit .
Yeah, I’m gonna disagree with you, John. My hybrid has zero room for anything to get into the trigger. It also allows a full firing grip. It also clicks in positively and secures the weapon just as positively as my full kydex holsters *when being worn*. Who cares if it doesn’t engage as well when not being worn? Mine has a metal clip, the same as on nice holsters you use. Mine is not cheap thin kydex. I don’t muzzle myself, and I’m not overweight. So, why is MY hybrid shit? I’m sure you stand by your assertions, but using absolutes to address topics with nearly infinite variables is foolish.
I believe I remember Paul Harrell saying something like, “Experts who speak in absolutes (Shatneresque pause) should not be trusted.”
Been carrying a crossbreed every day for over a decade with no issues🤷♂
I don't think Alien Gear has the issues you speak of as long as you get the 3.0 or the Shapeshift because of the steel plate on the inside of the holster. I've never had that issue personally.
Although I am looking for someone that makes a full kydex only because they don't have any wml options.
It has the issues I mention in the end of the video.
I have the 3.0. It does have the spring steel internally - doesn't have the "flop" or bend issues he mentioned. I carry a revolver, and there's a "bump" on the base that squeezes the trigger guard between it and the kydex-like material. The retention is awesome and there's no way anything extra is getting to that trigger. The trigger guard is completely covered. I easily get a full grip when drawing. I had issues with the clips (and a few other things) on their 2.0, but have had none of those issues with the 3.0.
I agree with his overall sentiment and issues, but the AG 3.0 that I've been using has been solid. Then again, it's the only hybrid I've found that addresses the issues he mentioned, and I have yet to find a full kydex IWB that doesn't do into my flesh eventually.
I think their ShapeShift is an answer to a question that I will never ask, and not a very good answer at that. (Even if I was interested, it's not offered for revolvers anyway.)
The AG 3.0 simply works and anybody who can't figure out how to make it work is terrible. Well, terrible at figuring things out anyway.
The Stealthgear holsters also don't have these problems. They're made out of a stiff polymer material and they have excellent retention, just like the pre-Shapeshift alien gear holsters can. I agree the Shapeshift holster is too damn wide, though.
Using a Galco holster line to trash all of a certain type is kind of like using a single failure prone Serpa design to bash all active retention holsters.
John S, I agree. Been wearing my AlienGear IWB for 3 years now (had a 2.0, it started to tear so they replaced it with a 3.0) and I haven't found any of these issues with it. 14+ hrs a day/7days a week. The only thing that needs to be done is make sure the screws are tight once in a while...
Can't agree with you on this one John, I have been using hybrid holsters from StealthGear for years for Sig365 and PX4 Compact Carry and I love them. The trigger guards are completely covered and the ventcore is properly trimmed to allow full grip draw with no fuss. Love you channel but got to strongly disagree on the holster, especially here in Florida 95 degree temps, where concealed carry weapon is right against your skin, no undershirts, too hot.
I know this is old, but I also have to disagree. If you watch around the 7:30 timeframe while he is talking about his "muffin top" and drawing and holstering multiple times you will notice that as he draws you see the holster and belt being pulled up, until it gives (releases). I believe this is because when you wear the holster your body is pressing the leather into the gun, whish is then pressing the gun into the kydex, and there is a certain amount of retention inherent in the mold of the trigger guard. ON my exact same holster you do hear a click when holstering if you are wearing the holster. Also watch around 7:49 when he holsters he actually gives it a couple of tugs to be sure it's secure. and this is with a holster with broken kydex. As far as the "flappy wings", that's what the leather is supposed to do so that it hugs and wraps around your body.
Sorry, I enjoy both of your channels, but have to respectfully disagree with him on this one.
"what I use is great, everything else sucks" - every gun owner
No, not one iota.
It was actually, "I used to use this. Here's what I learned about why and how it sucks. Here's what I use now and here's how it addresses the sucky things about what I used to use."
@@ASPextra I guess he missed the part where you said you wore the holster for 2 years.
He's a certified range master.. he's literally 1 of like 800 people in the country with a qualified opinion.
Still didn’t change my mind about aliengear shapeshift 4.0.. It has a steel backing behind the kydex. It’s a solid holster and completely safe, covers the trigger guard and the retention is actually due to the trigger guard… and it has an audible click… Nananuhbooboo, *holding my holster and petting it, telling it not to listen to mean old man and his mean words* .
Hahahaha! Shhhh shhh shhh it's okay, precious, the bad man can't hurt you. :)
Yes they do. The alien gear 4.o iwb holster actually has the best retention out there for an iwb holster. the black arch Protos-M also has a fully covered trigger guard.
I watched this full video and I respectfully disagree. I have several custom made full kydex and 1 custom made hybrid. The hybrid is always my go to. Your evaluation on retention is silly because as soon as your body is pressed against the back you get much more positive retention and even an audible click. My holster both covers the trigger gaurd and allows full purchase on the firearm. You cannot squeeze a finger in between the weapon and the leather. I have also worn it for 2 years without any problems. I will agree that some hybrid holsters leave a lot to be desired. But saying they are all terrible is a blanket statement. It would be like saying all full kydex holsters are uncomfortable because some of them dig in. The only thing that you said that holds true in my situation is occasionally muzzling myself while reholstering, but that is more of a training issue on my part as I have been known to do it even with outside the waste band or drop legs when I'm attempting to reholster quickly. I thoroughly enjoy your videos and have learn a lot from all of the real life scenarios. Keep doing what you're doing.
You do not want retention to be a product of how tight you have your belt on. The holster is for retention. Period!
Considering the fact that I have done 2 5k mudruns with my carry weapon I feel extremely confident in the retention. Maybe one day I'll change my mind.
Haha. Come on man. Kydex is great, but kydex holsters have been mainstream for what, 10 years? Crossbreed makes a quality product that conceals perfectly and retains your weapon with no play. I’m cpd and have worn one in plain clothes for years. Plenty of physical altercations, plenty of foot chases, it hasn’t failed. Love your videos man but this one seems over the top judgemental to me. No knock, do what you like, but hybrid has its place and for me I’ll take a hybrid by crossbreed any day.
My only comment with the video was that a good gun belt provides a tremendous amount of support and rigidity to a hybrid holster. The retention thing is well-stated though. I don't see too many hybrid holsters with adjustable retention. My Crossbreed doesn't have it. Granted it's an appendix carry design, so I'm not sure it really needs the same kind of retention as a 3 or 4 o'clock carry, but there you go.
I am replacing my Crossbreed Freedom carry AIWB because the thin Kydex has split on both sides and now has zero retention. I will admit that when it was new it had decent retention but now I have to tighten my belt a bit to keep it secure. For those of you who have had good luck with hybrids, congratulations. I won't buy another one.
The Triggerati not even a good gun belt which is obscene for daily travels but just drop the standard c clips and opt for the leather snap locks that loop over the belt... Worn that for 10yrs and never had an issue with slipage, or loose carry
J D
Ive been Crossbreeding for 2 years...NO PROBLEM!
I even use the crossbreed holster i got for my Glock 30, to carry my Glock 19 and 26! I simply pull my belt a lil tighter. Done! Cant do that with an all plastic holster!
People who say they haven't had any issues with a hybrid holster haven't pressure tested their gear. They consistently fail.
The new Alien gear is leaps better than the example being used and it does not have the issues in this video. Previous generations.... perhaps
Joey Nice the one John is showing is by Galco. And it indeed looks pretty crappy. Incidentally, I have a full leather Galco Stow-N-Go IWB and the retention is horrible and the trigger guard is gappy just like John’s example.
+Joey Nice the new Alien Gear has all the problems I mention at the end. Bad design.
Daniel W my spankn new alien gear for a sig p320 leaves the top of the trigger guard open just like the galco in this video , has zero click in retention, and the backing is about 3/4 of an inch too far out and interfere's with where my thumb grabs the gun on the draw stroke ,but the stitching is right there so there's no cutting an alien gear to fit .. and shaking it hard the gun falls out WAY easier then a Desantis kydex , the complete kydex Desantis has none of the issues the Alien Gear does .. I loved that Alien holster till I watched this video and compared it to the others I had
It's also a bulky piece of junk.
@Daniel W idk if you know thos but you can actually set what retention you want on your pistol. With the tool they send you can make it insanely hard to pull out or really easy and anywhere in between
Fantastic points and everybody who carries should watch, but at the end of the day the best gun (and holster) is the one that you're going to actually carry and use, for many of us that's going to be a kydex/leather hybrid. Thanks for the vid
Not True. However, you can think as you think. Floppies don't happen when worn. My Cross Breed, White Hat and Garrett Holsters work great with the firearm for which I bought them.
To add retention to a Kydex holster, use a hair drier to heat the Kydex and push in where you want the retention to be.
>> use a hair drier to heat the Kydex and push in where you want the retention to be
Excellent!
Which of the three brands works best? I've only heard of Cross Breed. It's for a Walther PPS M2. Thanks
@@thisismagacountry1318 I have a cross breed it worked floppy in like two weeks. I think what he is trying to say is about retention. I find it hard to believe anyone here has one that still locks the sidearm securely. That means at all angles.Not just right side up. When its half leather.
When I clicked on this video there was literally an advertisement for hybrid holsters.
LOL..
My tactical fluff helps me hide my carry piece.
Stealthgear makes some hybrid holsters that do have a very positive click and positive retention. They completely cover the trigger and there’s no slop on their proprietary backing material to the kydex. You should try them. I think they might pass your test with flying colors.
Love my stealthgear holsters. Super reliable and super comfortable. I’ve never had any issues.
I have both stealthgear and alien gear as well as MANY kydex hosters. I prefer the stealthgear. I haven't had the problems that were mentioned. I did have to adjust the tension on both the stealth gear and alien gear like I have to for some kydex. The alien gear clips tend to wobble loose and I have to re tighten them. In general I can wear a kydex iwb but even the smallest pistols tend to print and those that don't are usually uncomfortable no matter the cant or adjustments I make. I've also experienced the issue of getting a firm purchase with kydex holsters as well so that issue isn't exclusive to hybrids. His points are well taken, but it's not as easy as just going out and buying an all kydex holster. I have two boxes of left handed kydex holsters. Each were quality holsters, but lacking in one or more ways.
He may be right and I have limited experience with gun courses, but the few allowed owb on a belt for their students (not my normal carry position). I will say that I have had more problems with kydex mag carriers not retaining and dropping mags in public places when I bend down, or working their way up and off the belt clip (I know I know, loops will fix it), etc. Than I've had with hybrids. I've found a few kydex mags with good retention and stayed in place when running jumping, bending down etc.
Anyway, in summary Leather, Kydex and hybrid holsters may suffer from the things he mentioned. It isn't limited to hybrid or leather. A well made hybrid holster will work until the search for the "perfect" kydex holster that doesn't print is found for each person. If it isn't comfortable or doesn't hide the pistols well then people will be less likely to carry every day. The stealth gear is comfortable for me. It works and I rotate my pistols in edc (some all kydex) I also have tried aiwb kydex holsters, but with most clothes they aren't comfortable even with micro compacts unless I wear pants 4-6" larger. ,
I’ve been running stealthgear holsters for years without issue
Your points about kydex bring better are spot on. My issue is on program compliance, I’m far more likely to carry a hybrid. I’m well aware of the short comings of the hybrids but I accept that for comfort and far increased odds of having my firearms if ever needed. Good video though. I would like to know how someone with a thicker waist line carry’s appendix. I tried and really sucked.
"Tactical Muffin Top"😂😂😂
Lmao 🤣
Right tho he too cool for school love this dude
You post this the week after I bought my hybrid holster haha
Sell it to someone and buy solid kydex.
Active Self Protection Extra what are your thoughts on Vedder IWB full kydex? Can I still wear it at the 4 o clock position?
In another 2 weeks you'll realize it is junk. Oh well, too late.
I've had to put loctite thread locker on my alien gear holster to keep the belt clips from coming off. Haven't gotten it broken in to the "floppy" point yet, however it is comfortable but I'm afraid the clips will fall off so it will likely be new forever.
erozpl01 - True store that I couldn’t believe. Had a crazy Girlfriend I had faithfully been with for 4 years, we were arguing, I still had my brand new Pistol at my 4:30 position. I turned my back on her, yup you guessed it, she grabbed it. I could not believe that someone that personally close to me would do something like that. I bet if someone I didn’t know wanted to sneak up on me it would have ended way worse. 2 things happened that day, 1) I dumped Crazy Chic, 2) It cured me of carrying a gun so someone could come up from behind me and grab it. For CCW it’s AIWB or in my pocket, ONLY. An attacker won’t be unseen and will have to get thru my hands first. Look at some of the best gun fighters in the old West, Wild Bill always carried Appendix in a sash belt thingy x2. I wonder if he had a similar happening in a saloon. Food for thought y’all.
Hi John
English is not my mother tongue, and I love watching your videos (also) because I learn so many fancy expressions from them ! From now on, I'm going to call this small overweight of mine a "tactictal muffin top" too :D
carenthir74 Not too bad for not being your first language
@@tarikduncan1644 you've never heard someone say "English is not my mother tongue"? Go outside lol
@@tarikduncan1644 "Joined 5 years ago"
John why don't you design and market a hands down best CCW holster ? You seem to have an oppenion on the pro's and con's of every holster but never a solution ?
We have a list of holster makers we recommend here: activeselfprotection.com/holsters/
I am currently carrying in a Dark Star Gear Orion.
I have talked about good holster qualities a lot on the channel. I also have no desire to become a manufacturer.
Whether you agree with this information or not, his way of presentation and personality is fantastic. Keep it up 👍
Thanks!
This video made me anxious.
Agreed, this guy presents and doesn’t mix words. His points are well made, and while he may not appear to be as high speed as some other tactical videos, he speaks from using stuff and beating on it in training classes. There is no better place to test gear than in a thousand round pistol or rifle class- shit just falls apart, literally. After taking many classes, it’s amazing how much gear (even stuff that is expensive) literally breaks or fails, and not to start a war in this response, I’ve seen more 1911’s shit the bed in a high volume training class than anything else. But besides specific firearms, gear seems to often just fail, usually in the middle of a string of fire where your doing something unusual like shooting while prone or being in the desert dirt, where dirt and junk gets into holsters, ejection ports, etc...love these videos, nobody has the balls anymore to say when something just sucks, this guy does it regularly, watch the Serpa video
honestly, john seems high as a kite in a few of these videos . either that or just had his first drink of the day
My first holster is a Milt Sparks VM2 in Horsehide. No click but retention was never a problem. None of the wear and tear you experience. It's like new after years of carrying, from the heat and humidity of FL to the cold and snow of UT to the rain of WA. I can't speak for hybrids, but leather is great. Especially because it gets vegans extra mad.
Leather is not hybrid. They work differently.
"tactical shelf" , simply great .
Love both the channels , and how you actually show a personality instead of reading facts about the products off the manufacturers website .
Great videos , love them all .
Thanks for the video, but gotta disagree with you here. Most of these issues are eliminated by holsters with stiffer leather, adjustable retention, and a deeper cut. The holsters from HiddenHybrid accomplish this very well.
Been a tradition leather guy for a long time. My daily carry holster is a desantis thumb break scabbard model 001 b6 . It has very positive thumb break snap.this holster has tension screw. It is a 2 position holster. I have had this holster for 4 years , I have rolled around dirt , gravel you name it . I have treated it like I stole it. My friends keep buying cheap holsters and that drives me nuts. And shows no signs of cracking. And I wear it 8 hours + - every day.
David . That's what the + - was for . But yes I know what your getting at .it averaged 8 but there's some day's I put it on 6 am and it off at 12am.
IWB, not OWB
Gary Mayo : owb. DeSantis thumb break scabbard model 001 b6 . It stays close to you.
Agree with all your points. Another is if the belt is TOO tight, it MAY impede the draw and is unacceptable. Another point: most folks who do the inverted holster trick do so with an UNLOADED pistol. The full mag of ammo might allow the gun to FALL OUT, UNLESS there is a retention screw. Excellent video !!!
Modifying a Safariland ALS OWB to an IWB;
Like John mentions in this video, the thumb release retention mechanism of the Safariland ALS 7378 is the best. When I thumb the release, my Sig P365 will come out of the holster without any resistance. When re-holstering, simply drop it back into holster and it automatically locks with a nice click
But as an OWB, it is hard to conceal and all OWB holsters, including the ALS 7378, are a floppy encumbrance as you go about your day. In my opinion, IWB is the best way to carry a pistol. I was seriously considering a crappy IWB hybrid holster, but thank God I saw this video from my hero John before I bought one.
After watching this video, I thought, “Why not make my OWB ALS 7378 an IWB holster - that would be the perfect holster”. That is what I did! I removed the OWB belt mount and mounted the holster onto a piece of leather and put belt loops on the leather to make it an IWB. It looks like the crappy hybrid holsters John describes in this video but it does not have all the negatives that John points out. And yes, the thumb release still works perfect and re-holstering feels absolutely safe. After some trial and error, in my opinion, I have created the perfect IWB holster!
pics or more info Purdy plz
That's why i stopped wearing underwear, to get rid of extra thickness. Lol
For someone without any holsters, this info is very helpful. Thanks, John
why is it a problem that the sides of a hybrid holster bend and conform to you body ? "floppy" you say ..seems like a good thing to me .. i have that Galco kingtuk for my G19 ... my alien gear is new ,but with my p320 has a click when it's on my waist , and you can not dump it out or shake it out ,upside down , doesn't matter .. great video ,just having a hard time justifying what your saying looking at my own holsters
+Josh B floppy means movement. It starts to break down and isn’t a good thing.
Active Self Protection Extra so I watched the video for a second time , sitting here with a similar set of holsters as you have .. click retention is not there on the hybrids ,it's just the gun bottoming out i was hearing, not a click in.. the alien gear blocks my thumb just a little, I'd hafta cut the stitching off to remove maybe 3/4 of an inch ,not gonna do it .. good points here ! the hybrids are more comfortable for me , sucks to not use them any more ,but I see multiple valid points from you as I sit with my holsters and guns and play along with your video ..
Active Self Protection Extra i still think "floppy" isn't a bad thing long as it's not going to cause any issues , it's just conforming to your body..ill agree to disagree there with ya , every other point you made I wholeheartedly agree with and will not be rockn hybrids any more .. my rants over , lol ..
+Josh B thanks Josh. Glad to help and glad for the interaction.
Active Self Protection Extra thank YOU ! appreciate you sharing the knowledge !
Stealthgear is a great hybrid holster. Doesn't have the downside of a leather backing. Also has excellent retention and it's adjustable. And the Kydex wraps over the end of the muzzle so that it can't be pushed out buy things like a seat belt clasp when you're sitting in a car unlike many hybrid and Kydex holsters. I've had my Stealthgear holster over 2 years and it looks and performs as brand new.
Here in idaho with no restrictions on how we carry OWB leather that pulls in close with or without thump snap retention is the most comfortable thing I’ve found having the “tactical muffin top”. Just a T-shirt or a loose button up shirt or light windbreaker has got you covered.
I’ve used just about everything available over the past 30 years including the Alien Gear hybrids. I have a vacuum mold and have made many kydex holster for myself others that want them.
Awe shit. Another video dividing the gun community. Lol
I think they were all valid criticisms. I am now on a mission to find a hybrid holster that doesn't suffer any of these inadequacies.
Desantis Intruder may fit the bill
kc5rui No don't start my .40 S&W will penetrate tuff barriers and still have enough power to stop a threat.
Play nice boys😁
Robert Rodriguez shouldn't divide, people in the gun commubity should discuss the pros and cons like civilized humans who want to learn more.
We shouldn't attach emotion to our opinions ! Stops us from keeping an open mind.
John at least has back up for all his negative points, even if you disagree with him.
OMG! You mean leather breaks in after 2 years of constant wear?! SHOCKING!
And that's a challenge.
No shit, right? I was about to rip this guy a new one and then I thought I'd better check the comments first. It's all already been covered...multiple times... LOL
Awesome info ..haha TACTICAL MUFFIN TOP? you Crack me up
I've bought so many holsters that finding that perfect holster is kind of a unicorn. I've had pretty good experiences with some inexpensive kydex holsters. I'm not a fan of leather but I can see the appeal. The spandex type holsters are mostly garbage from my experience but come in handy when that rare instance I leave the house in gym shorts. Pocket holsters are below average but kinda nice for some micro 380s. Hybrid holsters can give you some options and allow a new shooter to try carrying a 4 o'clock owb, 4 o'clock iwb, appendix carrying, and once you find what works well for you and your body type, I would absolutely recommend finding a reputable kydex holster company and spending that $100 on a custom made holster. I would just make sure you have the weapon light, optic/sights and any other aftermarket parts you want on the firearm before you purchase one. Otherwise you'll be buying multiple custom holsters to fit your current set up like I have. I have a a duffel bag full of unused holsters. I basically use 1 high end kydex for appendix carry with a side car mag carrier for my main carry, an inexpensive $40 (but still from a reputable company) kydex appendix carry holster for my other carry and a few owb holsters for my battle belt set up. I actually have holsters for all of my pistols which are dozens fyi.
There's a belly band type "holster" that acts as a belt to carry your normal holster instead of being a holster itself. I really don't trust them otherwise
I carry a P365 in a crossbreed mini tuck. Covers the trigger, holds the gun fine, reholsters fine, and personally I prefer flexible leather against my skin over solid plastic leaving wear marks on my side.
Good video, and I tend to value John's opinions on many things. He certainly brings up some great points here, as usual. However, this video is now almost five years old! There have been many improvements from several manufacturers that might make it worth fresh evaluation! (I have no "skin in the game", but I'm always trying to stay educated regarding "best practices".)
Not on actual hybrids. There are a couple of companies that have adjusted to make a 3/4 kydex that completely covers the trigger guard and add a fabric backer that is reinforced that are acceptable. Black Arch is my favorite.
@@ASPextra I'm very new to this, but I've been looking at a bunch of holsters and I've seen something called "lock leather" now. They've started putting plastic retention clips inside leather holsters. Like I said, I am very new to this, but the retention clip in a leather holster would probably take care of your retention concern.
You need to see the new ShapeShift 4.0 IWB Holster from Alien Gear. It does everything you just talked about.
Ambassador the 4.0 looks awesome ! I'm gonna order one up ! must of just came out ,my 3.0 i got a few weeks ago ..
It had to of just came out. It was this video that made me go look haha. I am going to order one as well!
The Shape Shift is not a hybrid holster. It is a kydex holster with a fabric backer and a multiple-attachment system. So it's not what I am talking about here.
Gotcha. Still learning all the lingo here.
Active Self Protection Extra - isn’t it what you were talking about at the end- wider because of the multi-attach points, or no? Looks like a new attach system might keep it thinner/closer to body? Thoughts?
"My opinion, my opinion, my opini-"
"But John, my hybrid holster works grea-"
"Yeah I knew some of you would say that but you're wrong."
**SNORTS COCAIN**
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J Rob hahaha 😂
The protos-m holster by black arch is technically a hybrid, but the kytex wraps around the trigger guard and has great retention. And it clicks in. The sweat guard doesn't block the draw either. The only hybrid holster that covers all the cons you pointed out
My Comp-Tac MTAC holster:
1. Has adjustable retention
2. Allows for a full grip on the gun
3. FULLY covers the trigger guard
4. FULLY covers the barrel of the gun
5. Allows me to completely hide a full-sized 1911 under a slim-fit t-shirt
6. Adjusts for both cant and ride height
7. Fully covers all screws/rivets on the back side
I once had a Crossbreed and it:
1. Had horrible retention
2. Stunk like crazy (the leather dye, maybe?)
3. Had exposed screws/rivets on the back side against my skin
4. Was ultimately tossed in the trash
So there are good ones and there are crappy ones. It sounds like you need to check out a good one before saying that they're all bad.
Nope. The concept is flawed.
After watching this I was very curious. I went home and check my ALien gear 3.0 IWB old version and all my firearms clicked into the kydex & locked into place just like your full kydex style before I put it on. Meaning my body is not the retention the molded shield is. I can turn it upside down and shake it and it stays if that a critical indicator of what a good holster is. I don’t even have the screws super tight bec once I put it on I wouldn’t be able to draw the gun. Also I have the metal clips and once I pop those over my belt that things not coming off period or it hasn’t in 4 years. Also all of my kydex shields fully cover the triggers they all butt up against the back of the trigger guard. I can’t even see it. I also have no issues re-holstering its very easy, slide right back into place. It’s incredibly comfortable to wear all day and have had zero issues. Now I have heard plenty of guys complaining about the full kydex holster killing there sides and being very uncomfortable to wear. Can’t speak to other hybrids.
I did have a concealment express IWB and was not a fan. Good retention single clip worked fine no better the my AG but it was so much fatter . Not nearly as comfortable so I sold it.
So based on this video my perception of what’s being said its that it would not just be hybrids but also full leather would be no good either they will also loosen up and lose there shape over time. I highly doubt any leather holster turned upside down is going to keep your firearm in it while shaking it IWB or OWB.
interesting
You should “test drive” an OWB De Santis Mini-Scabbard. My G43 remains in holster while vigorously shaking holster upside down. Phillips head retention screw provides easy adjustment. Trigger guard covered. Leather is very rigid so can’t squeeze finger in. And it rides high and close to body, plus comfortable. Optional suede lining provides protection to gun’s finish.
Hello, Mr. John, firstly I wanna say I love your videos! I've been carrying for about 3 years or so now and love watching your stuff. Anyway, I just wanted to say, as some others have said that I must respectfully disagree with this video. I own an Aliengear Cloaktuck 3.0, which was my only holster until last December when I bought their new Shapeshift kit, which includes the Cloacktuck 4.0, and absolutely love my holsters. They're quite well made, and I personally don't have any trouble holstering my weapon, and also have the "tactical muffin top" as you put it. Anyway, like I said, I do enjoy your videos, but must respectfully disagree with your statement that all hybrid holsters suck. Have a good day sir and I look forward to your other videos!
Stumbled on this video after my glock 27 fell out of my crossbreed and hit the floor of the locker room at work. Retention just is not there.
The greatest retention, easy drawing, reholstering, etc. doesn't mean anything if the holster isn't comfortable enough that you'll wear it every day.
It takes a bit of work to learn how to wear a gun. That's okay.
@@ASPextra hahaha... knowing how to wear a gun and being comfortable are not mutually exclusive.
I just got a crossbreed reckoning hybrid holster and while I’ll admit it’s new and could warp or wear over time, it certainly doesn’t show any of the issues you’re describing.....
1. It’s not floppy at all, the hooks attach to the kydex instead of the leather and there’s very little excess to flop around
2. It fully encompasses the trigger guard
3. It’s extremely tight and there’s no way anything is getting inside to pull the trigger
4. It’s combat cut so getting a good purchase on the gun is easy
5. It has great retention, if anything it’s too tight and I need to use one of the several retention adjustment spots to loosen it
So I ultimately agree that a kydex is better, I just find that the reckoning conceals better, so I’m going with that till it gives me a reason not to, so far it’s an awesome holster
Some interesting points. I can see all of those being valid but haven't experienced it personally with my CompTac MTAC. It has a dimple that clicks over the trigger guard, the clips are adjustable height/cant, sweat shield doesn't seem to get in the way for draws or holstering. Maybe it's just a better model of the style. I've run it in many USPSA style competitions and never felt limited by it. Not sure it would be my first choice now but I bought it many years ago and haven't seen a reason to replace it.
I love your teaching style. Your sense of humor and passion make these lessons super engaging
Wish I listened to this...I saw it, but was like "well some of them get great reviews, so a good one must be ok". Ordered a Crossbreed Reckoning for a P365 and basically immediately returning it. The trigger guard isn't even fully covered and you can easily get drawstring, shirt, and even a finger (I don't have large hands/fingers) into it.
The retention is good and holster is super comfortable just trying it for a brief time (not even worn in).
Definitely going back to full Kydex with properly covered trigger guard.
I use Muddy River Tactical holsters. Great quality kydex holsters and their customer service is top notch.
Part of the reason I don’t like IWB holsters anymore. I only use them when I need more concealment. I have used an Alien Gear OWB for my J frame for the last 5 years. I have had no retention problems AT ALL. It covers the trigger. I just bought a S&W Shield and bought a “compact “ kidex holster (that fits multi compact guns) from PHALANX Defense Systems. I love it! It locks in SOLID and fits close to the body. It is also very comfortable.
7:32 "tactical muffintop" 🤣😂👍🏻
Is this satire?
No, it's expert opinion.
@@ASPextra Opinion then, got it. Thanks.
Did you notice the words "Why I believe" in the title?
You're particularly hyped up tonight... Anyhow, what do you think about quality of N82 Tactical Pro holsters?
tabaks seems like johns been playing with his nose a bit. Lol
tabaks yeah he's way more jack up than usual. Speed maybe? He's a religious man and a family type guy but you never know. Maybe red bull and its late
I bought an alien gear hybrid and returned it after a couple of days. I went with one from we the people holsters and its a very good holster. Added a wing and a wedge, conceals pretty easily appendix.
Been carrying my Theiss(cross breed copy) for 7 years and I love it, never an issue.
Look I am a leather holster maker who used to make those hybrid holsters, key word used to, so I can speak with some knowledge on the subject. You are so full of disinformation, a polite word for it, that I am sitting here laughing. The benefit of the so called floppiness is comfort and not a detriment. It forms to your body dude and that's a good thing. As far as dirt and things getting into it, for God's sake keep it clean and that with Kydex is very easy to do.. I just don't like an IWB carry and Fox and Alien Gear have made them so cheap I couldn't compete. However when I do carry IWB with a full size not baby gun sized gun I will opt for that style hands down every time for comfort and speed of draw. The down side is putting it on and taking it off. That is the only short coming. Remember this is coming from someone who can have any holster they want and has had every reasonable holster there is to draw these conclusions from. But I still prefer all leather OWB for many reasons. Remember they all have trade offs none are perfect.
I can have literally any holster I want. Any. Hybrid holsters are awful and the floppiness is a defect, not a feature.
I have a box full of great custom holsters and my go-to is my cheap ass Alien Gear.Love it.
AAAskeet used an aliengear for almost a year, lately I've been carrying in a clinger holster. It's super small and it's my new favorite.
That's because you both prefer garbage that will fail just make sure you don't shoot anyone else when they do.
7:41 *pew pew pew*
I’ve been packing heat for over 30 years...and I have boxes full of holsters in the garage....many of them for guns I no longer have and a few I tried for a few days and gave up on...I agree with the summary of Hybrids suck. I’ also started making leather holsters 20 years ago, and just started bending kydex....I won’t make a hybrid until I can come up with one that solves these problems. Good video.
3:53 notice when I put it in, what it does (pistol very audibly and visibly clicks into place) nothing, no retention.
A video on “tactical muffin” top appendix carry would be awesome!
"Tactical Muffin Top"
Awww yeah
PatRiot LOL I WAS ABOUT TO COMMENT THAT😂😂
ROFL!
Dude this vid is the best! You are a raving coke maniac!! Can't stop laughing! :P
I kinda noticed this too. doesn't it look like john is on something in this video? maybe he went through a phase =p
Very good retention can be achieved in a holster with sufficient pressure and friction, without a click point, while also fully covering the trigger and allowing a very good grip during draw. The click point with Kydex holsters is just because they all of a sudden go from zero or very little retention to full retention at a specific click point, as opposed to a holster constantly building up pressure and friction on the gun as it’s inserted in the holster.
However regardless of having a click point or not, there is still a certain amount of force plus motion that will cause a gun to come out of any holster, even click-in Kydex retention holsters. Click-in retention holsters that go from 0 to 100% retention all at once, is not the only way to achieve sufficient retention with a holster.
Holsters can also achieve very sufficient retention by constantly building more pressure and friction the further the firearm is inserted into the holster. There may not be a click point, but the pressure and friction that the two halves of the holsters place on the gun can be more than sufficient enough to retain the gun in the holster under all, but the most extreme, absurd situations, like being hung upside down and shook rapidly.
Of course there will always be a point where force plus motion will cause a non-click-in pressure/friction retention holster to allow a gun to come out, just like there is always a point where force plus motion will cause a click-in Kydex retention holster to release a gun and allow it to come out.
I would argue that there are many very good non-click-in non-Kydex holsters that employ plenty of pressure and friction on the gun that it will not come out under similar circumstances as a click-in Kydex holster. With any holster there is a point where enough force and motion will release a gun. Perhaps that threshold is a little higher with Kydex click-in holsters, but as long as a non-click pressure/friction holster is sufficient to hold a gun in place under conditions. I think that’s still a safe holster.
Agree. First holster was a Crossbreed that I cut down because of the "sweat shield" top flop (meaning no more "sweat shield" or layer between me and the gun where it dug into my side). I also just did not like dealing with a two-clip design and want quick, easy on/off. Single clip only for me now (and if anyone thinks they need two to carry a full-sized gun, I EDC a Beretta 92-series very comfortably in a Vedder LightTuck, which has the best clip I have yet run across). Hybrids do not retain as well because they are not form-fitting to the gun on one side - this was true when I carried a PX-4 in a Crossbreed. Next holster was a custom leather one. It was ok, just ok, main things are they retain moisture, wear out faster, and are harder to re-holster because even with reinforcement they tend to collapse when the gun is removed. Also hated the Chicago screws on the Crossbreed I had, they constantly loosened up. Only thing I did was keep the clips and modify a kydex holster for a Beretta Nano to use one of them instead of the clip it came with (and it is still inferior to the Vedder clip or even some kydex clips with spring tension). The rest of it is history.
The best leather holsters use a steel or leather reinforcement on the mouth so that it stays open.
@@ASPextra true, mine just relied on an extra layer of stiff leather... but the other issues remain... nothing beats a quality leather holster for looks, but they're made to be seen and not used too much (and I mean the pretty ones, I'm not saying a regular one isn't useful, I just don't prefer it).
Wish I had seen this a few hundred $$$ ago
So much misinformation in this video he assumes you're a gunfighter or something you're going to be drawing your pistol a hundred times and a day he's pistols are designed to be locked in by the pressure from your belt and not come out there for daily carry not for gun fighting
You've successfully demonstrated that you don't understand how the function is engineered into hybrid holsters. You seem to have decent knowledge of civilian armed conflict but you just embarrassed yourself. You're lying to your students about a FEW things in this video. You're not preparing them for reality.
You should delete this particular video. Save your reputation
As a person who has also carried a galco king tuk (glock17) for two years+ and liked it...you make very good points. I’ve ran into most of these issues.
You have a many valid points. However, that was kydex with a stress crack. It is injection molded plastic. It is a cheaper and weirder material. Also comparing a production hybrid to a custom kydex. Makes perfect sense if you don't think about it
I'm fluffy too! Good video!
My first holster was a leather IWB by Leather Arsenal. It was a good one, but I had the same problem with the "muffin top" and worse yet, I couldn't care my 1911 cocked and locked, because the holster would allow the safety to switch off. I now have a C &K IWB kidded (sp?) and it has NOT come uncooked once since I've owned it. Good Video John! Thanks
I have a Hidden Hybrid Holster for my sig p229, p320, and a ruger lcr. All have been in use for at least 3 years. None of my holsters have any of these "issues" other than the "floppy" part. But it's leather... It's a lot more comfortable to wear, and leather gets soft and conforms to the body extremely well. The sweat shield on mine does not get soft and floppy though, it is well reinforced to prevent that. Every holster type has pros and cons. If your buying a well made quality holster you will be fine no matter what style it is. Even a well made and reinforced nylon holster works perfectly fine. To each their own. Choose the type of holster that works best for you in your daily routine. For me, that's a hybrid holster, specifically a Hidden Hybrid Holster.A solid kydex holster, to me, is not very comfortable for all day wear IWB. They are superior in regards to retention and rigidity perhaps, but not in comfort, and you can't even argue that they are. If I am going to the range to train, then I use a different holster. I know hybrid holsters have limitations, but I'm not going to be drawing and reholstering my gun tons of time each day so the downside to reholstering with one is a moot point really. I do practice drawing, but I don't do so with a loaded weapon. Once I put on my holster, I have no need to draw, much less reholster, unless I am engaging a threat.Bottom line is not all holsters are created equal, not even all hybrid holsters. Buy a quality, well built holster and most of these issues brought up are well, not.
I've tried them all and in different positions and agree with most of your points. What I've learned from experience is Get a CompTac Infidel Ultra Max and carry appendix. Done.
My second holster way a hybrid. It worked until it didn't for the reasons you mentioned. The leather weakens, the sweat shield affects the draw. Biggest gripe was one of the belt clips bent outward and the holster didn't stay in place anymore. It would ride up and come out if I drew the gun. Now I use simple kydex vacuum formed holsters, similar to John's. Strong, light weight, adjustable, minimal, and has a secure fit. And even with a secure fit I can still adjust my carry position if I have to during my day. Also a big factor, those kinds of holsters are significantly cheaper.
Reasons you list hybrid IWB Holsters are bad:
1) Floppy
2) Trigger guard uncovered on one or both sides
3) Sweat guard prevents full firing grip
4) "Poor" retention
5) Stress points, kydex cracking/breaking
6) Belt clips can bend
7) If you don't reholster properly you might point your gun at yourself
8) Synthetic material "bends more, wears faster, creates more problems"
First of all, I carry with an Alien Gear 3.0 IWB, and the primary reason I do is *comfort.* I've tried several other all kydex IWB models, and each one gouged or stabbed at me in different ways and was just generally horrifically uncomfortable for my body type, to the point where I *would not carry* with those holsters. For me, the number one reason I prefer hybrids, is they are comfortable enough for me to actually carry. OWB holsters also don't work for me, mainly because 95% of the clothing I have wouldn't conceal an OWB, and I'm not particularly fond of the idea of open carry.
To address your problem list (and many others in the comments have already addressed some or all of these points, these are just my personal thoughts):
1) You say the IWB holster material gets floppy and that means it's weakening or wearing out - I disagree, particularly with synthetic material, I actually prefer that bendy, molded inner material, because it's conformed to your body shape and carry position - extremely comfortable. This material is what makes these holsters comfortable, because no kydex and very little of your firearm is actually touching (stabbing) your "muffin top" (body). Agree to disagree here.
2) I carry a Springfield XDS, and my kydex shell 100% covers my entire trigger guard, you can't poke a paperclip in there. And on the inner side, the way you are able to jam your finger up underneath with the leather can't be done on mine, not by me at least - I tried. Probably the metal inside the liner making it stiff enough - but even so, I find this an unrealistic problem - at no time ever could something inadvertently jam itself inside that shell the way you do with your finger.
3) Not a problem on the AG 3.0. The sweat guard is designed without covering the grip, and a full purchase is achieved.
4) The retention on most hybrids is adjustable with screws (which can be loc-tited down once tuned properly), allowing the same retention as any full kydex holster without any mechanically engaging retention devices. If your retention is just hearing a "click", but your holster doesn't have any mechanically engaging retention devices (rotating hood, thumb release, etc), then that "click" is just your firearm pinching into the tightest part of the kydex. This effect is achievable with an IWB hybrid too, because that kydex pinch retention doesn't have to come from one side of the firearm to the other, it can come from the top to the bottom; this doesn't require a completely enclosed kydex shell. No matter what holster, if it's just kydex with no devices, then any plausible scenario where your gun gets pulled out would occur with any kydex holster, not just hybrids. So again, agree to disagree that retention is somehow a problem.
5) That's some cheap ass thin kydex if it's cracking like that. I don't see that happening with the boltaron AG uses, even under intense training.
6) Crappy metal ones like on that King Tuck might bend. The AG ones don't move at all, they keep the holster positioned exactly where I want it, with adjustable height. I see nothing wrong here.
7) Flagging yourself because your muffin top pushes the sweat guard over is a training issue (and a body issue, which I admittedly have too), not a holster design flaw. But, when you holster, I do press the sweat guard back with my muzzle, but that can be done without flagging yourself quite easily, you just have to push your muffin top back along with it. No one's ever in a race to reholster the fastest, and if you have the muscle memory that you should, there's no issue here.
8) I haven't seen it the wearing out or problems you claim, and see #1) about the bending. Even if it does wear out over time, the entire holster costs $45, so I'm willing to repay that every few years if needed for the comfort I get.
So in summary, all of the problems you mentioned either don't exist (particularly on MY Alien Gear 3.0), or are subjective opinions and aren't really problems at all. And again, the #1 thing about hybrid holsters is *comfort.* It doesn't matter how well designed other holsters might be or what features they have, if you won't carry with it because it's not comfortable, then it's *not* a good holster.
Thanks for the vids John, love your channel and have recommended it to many friends.
Aliengear holsters has a retention system. It clicks when you slide it in.
John is always ripping on all my favorite holsters. 😔
Been using Crossbreed supertuck for 8-10 years. A+ rated. Trained with it including rolling around on the ground grappling to retain the pistol. Zero problems with retention . Love Crossbreed
So crossbreed are hybrid holsters and no retention like he shows ?
What in the world are you trying to say here? 1000s of us adorn ourselves with hybrid holsters everyday and we keep buying more.
With all his theatrics and exaggerated motions, this has the impact of an anti hybrid infomercial seen at 2am.
Not cool.
Agree with some, disagree with some. 58, shooting since I was 5, concealed carrier for nearly 30 years, part-time firearms instructor, full-time pastor for 30 years. I have two tote bins full of various holsters.... pretty much, you name it... I have tried it. The past 5+ years have been using an Alien Gear IWB... "IN MY EXPERIENCE AND OPINION"..... it's the best of everything that I have used over the past 30 years. I carry IWB right side at 3:30.... I have never had a shell crack and I carry 7 days a week, all day. I have never had an issue with the sweat guard getting in the way of holstering.... and I practice and shoot a lot. You demonstrated the flexibility of the "wings".... off the body! It's not designed to be used that way! When attached it is very secure.... I use a good belt and it is very "firm". I use the metal clips.... they hold tight and have never failed as of yet. The plastic clips and loops that I have tried over the years have failed at various times. I carried appendix in a full Kydex for a couple years.... hated it.... stuck with it because some "instructors" bark loud and long about it being "the" only position for serious concealed carriers.... well, it doesn't work for me. My firearm is very secure in this holster when on the body as designed..... I am "very" active.... I have seven grandchildren and we do a good deal playing, wrestling, sports..... never ever have I had my firearm fall out or even come lose. When I holster in the morning my firearm "clicks" into the holster firmly (it doesn't off the body... which really is a moot point), it takes a good solid grip and pull to draw the firearm out of the holster. I use my EDC set up for IDPA.... have never had any kind of an issue related to my holster. But.... this is "my" experience.... what works for me may not work as well for someone else!
Great videos.... have watched all of them (I think)! Keep them coming!
Why don't any of these companies just slap a full kydex holster onto a piece of leather and get the best of both worlds?
That does exist now. I think the best combo is a 3/4 kydex that covers the trigger guard fully and then some kind of leather or mesh backer for strong side carriers for comfort.
I see a lot of your point, I carry a Fierce Defender kydex holster which I love. However, when not running that I do use an AG which does cover the whole trigger guard and the cut of the sweat shield does allow me to get a full grip. It also has an audible click when inserted and holds in well and doesn't just fall out, because AG produces all their holster with customizable tension and ride height. I usually run my FD but do alternate with my AG due to clothing, weather, etc.
have an aliengear iwb 3.0 and was testing it around the house and bending over doing yard work the thing flew right out of the holster and onto the concrete. I was very impressed
After viewing this video, I examined my oh-so-comfortable MTR Custom Leather A-2 hybrid holster for my CZ SP-01. The gun's heavy and I really like how this hybrid distributes the load. Uses Ultraclips, which have proven rock solid. The holster hits all points but one. While the retention started out good, I've noticed that, over time, the leather has gotten more pliable. Definitely going to need to be careful in public restrooms, bungee jumping, and skydiving. Combining any of those three is way out! Seriously though, for my G26, I couldn't be happier with my Vedder. It hits all the points you've highlighted.
1. If someone is able to stick their finger down your pants and pull the trigger then you have bigger issues.
2. The pressure of your body against the leather increases tension in the holster thereby creating sufficient retention on the weapon.
3. If your holster has begun to break down, buy a new one. They don’t last forever, get over it.
4. If you’re too large to use this type of holster then change your habits or change your holster. I’m a large man too and I have no issues drawing or reholstering without having to point a gun at my hip.
5. The trigger guard doesn’t need to be covered more than it is. This is just paranoia. Safety is important but if you’re going to go to that extreme then don’t carry at all because you’re statistically more likely to get shot by your own gun anyway.
The trigger issue is far from paranoia.
I think you make some valid points. Particularly the point about pointing the pistol at yourself when re-holstering. But then you say you appendix carry. My experience with appendix carry is that you are usually pointing the pistol directly at your femoral artery when re-holstering. This is one big reason why I don't appendix carry.
A proper appendix holster involves ZERO pointing the gun at yourself while holstering. Zero.
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Some of the same reasons why I stopped making IWB leather holsters, and now only make OWB leather paddle holsters.
Just bought a small, leather IWB holster for my G43 on Etsy of all places. Comfy and works great!
I don't typically use hybrids anymore because I carry AIWB most if not all the time now-a-days. My first holster/carry gun was a Crossbreed Supertuck with a Glock 21. When that holster came to me, it's retention was through the roof, like I had to put the holster on my belt in order to secure it enough to pull the gun out. Throughout the years I trained with that holster doing Judo,Jujutsu, FMA and various other things and I never had it drop the gun out of the holster. Even when it started to lose it's retention with age, once it was secure on my belt, my gun was in there pretty good, and it was secure enough to grapple with.
I totally get the argument on the topic and I basically use all kydex AIWB exclusively now, but I would still use the 1 Hybrid I have left if I were to carry 3-4 o clock again (I would possibly consider buying an all kydex one done the road, but it definitely wouldn't be a priority for me). I think it's all about quality products and actually running your gear to see what it is and isn't capable of. I have also done all of the aforementioned with a duty rig, as well as AIWB, and that's pretty important in my mind, because you really get to see the limitations of your gear, and the limitations that are placed on you by carrying it in a certain way.