Yes, I could have adjusted these effects more to make them all sound better. I was very new to this at the time. It is what it is, and I am only one man in his basement. Thx for watching.
Been searching high and low to figure out which pedals to add to my Trio+ on the Drum+Bass tracks, which sound too clean. Thanks for your channel. Going to watch every video.
Great video for guys like me- guitar player for years, getting into recording and mixing. I have a plethora of pedals, but not much outboard gear. Plug ins are cool, sure. But using pedals I know inside and out to effect recorded sources is where it's at. Most important detail of this video is the reamp box you are using. Makes things much easier for I/o connectivity. Thanks for the video!
I Can't Wait Much Longer by Robin Trower (1973) features drums with a slow phaser effect. I haven't really heard anything like that since, it sounds so unbelievably good.
I think you can make each work. 1. Distortion, chorus etc. on kick and snare add more punch, kinda like the voidz albums. 2.Flanger, phaser, tremolo(fast), ring mod etc on cymbals add character as these already have some tonality. It sounds spacey electronic and psychedelic. 3. Fuzz on toms. No particular reason, just for the lack of better options. (also, liked and subbed)
I'm not a drummer but I do a bit of production and the idea just popped in "I've never seen that done before." live, I mean . I'm trying to imagine the madness you could achieve. Need a drum kit now. I see by the comments I'm a bit late to the party.
I can appreciate that only a couple of pedals are of any use to a drummer, but I could see a lot of possibilities with a delay pedal--although setting the tempo might be a challenge.
Actually, with a tap tempo on the delay pedal it's easy. The tough part is staying in time with the delay - it's like a weird metronome situation that you can easily rush or drag through.
Thx so much. You can do either - use one dedicated mic as your effects channel, or what I do (which may not be right!) which is to send all my mics to one AUX channel that goes out to the effects. If you haven't already, check out my first video that explains my set up. It's long and boring, but might help.
Great vid, liked and subscribed! A couple thoughts: Most pedals will work best affecting a single piece of kit, e.g. what sounds good on cymbals might make the kick drum garbage. The reason why tremolo sucked for you is that you are playing acoustic drums. The natural human dynamics and groove of your playing already does enough to vary the hits and makes it interesting. Very subtle tremolo tempo-synced to a quantized, constant-velocity drum machine will help to humanize them a bit. Otherwise yeah I agree, it kind of gets in the way of the beat. Ring modulation often sucks, but here's why: what ring mod does is take a main input signal and a secondary carrier signal, and outputs BOTH the sum and difference of the two frequencies. Run of the mill ring mods typically provide an internal sine wave for the carrier which you have to dial in by hand. Say, 440 Hz. It then does its thing using that plus the player's instrument. It'll usually only sound good where the two frequencies that are output are harmonic in nature. Otherwise it's some robotic bell grindy glitchy thing that sounds abrasive. I only know of one pedal that let's you provide both signals: the MF-102. It sounds pretty great using a kick drum and a bass. Kind of robotic distortion that has a lot of gravitas. Distortion and fuzz both sound quite nice on whole kits for sure though. I look forward to more videos, I found them quite enjoyable!
Great input! Thanks for sharing that knowledge - really helps me understand what's going on. More videos are on the way in a month or so. (just had a baby so can't really be blasting away on the kit right now). And you're so right about how different effects work for different instruments on the kit. I bought a VFE Klein Bottle to experiment with this - it has three channels that you can assign to different frequency bands with their own effects loops. This way you can put fuzz on the kick frequency, delay on the snare frequency, and reverb on the cymbal frequency (for example). That's something I'll do a video on once I figure out if it helps or hinders the kit sound. Could be cool. Could be weird. Not sure. But thx for watching!
Ring mod through a drum machine is amazing. Especially if you can take the input volume and use it as an envelope follower on something like the frequency of the carrier, or another parameter.
Yeah, they could have said something like, "Check out Drums FX Pedals - that guy's been carrying the torch for pedals on drums for years." But, hey, whatareyagonnado?
pretty sure theres tremolo on one of the dj shadow endtroducing drum tracks that sound amazing but so does the whole record... you cant mess with genius. cant think of anywhere else ive heard it done and i havent listened to that album for a year or two so dont quote me on the effect.. it might be a gnarly chorus... anyway yeh i feel like phase, chorus and flange on drums is all about either effecting in parallel or lowering the wet amount, and also too much "feedback" just gives it too much plastic sci fi kinda alien sound that's too destructive to the fundamental aspects of the drum that we all like and want to hear. just my thoughts having done this quite a bit over the years also. ok now im gonna watch all your other videos cuz i think guitar pedals sound better on drums than guitars
Hey, yeah. If I could do this video again, I'd lower the wet amount and change up the speeds to find a sweet spot for certain effects. But I was so young, so impetuous. I lived for the moment. And made videos without thinking anyone would ever watch them. About guitar pedals sounding better on drums; this has been my refrain for years now. Yet no pedal builder I've talked to sees the potential in building pedals with drummers in mind. Let's prove them all wrong, shall we?
@@bobloblaw01 omg yeh totally agree. i have a few delays by oldblood noise and they have a mix knob which allows 100% wet which is so good for using as a mixing tool. i mean everything sounds better on drums cuz drums are better... right! did you see the Show Us Your Junk episode where the dude blasts the drum mono mix back into the live room and then uses loads of pedals including the rainbow machine wooooo. i saw jamie lidell using a marshall modulator on drums also which sounded wild. anyway i talk too much. thanks for your channel!
I have a video where i run through my set up - it explains everything I knew at that time. basically, drums are all miked, plus overheads. But you can use only one mic if you want. Run the mic(s) through a mixer and out to a reamper, then to pedals, then back to reamp, then back to mixer on a new channel. check out that first video if you think it will help.
@@JISMusicYT I like the Touchmix 16 - lots of in and outs, control, onboard effects, etc. Get a used one since they've been around for a while. But really, any mixer is fine. As long as you have enough channels for your mics plus another channel for the effects loop. Get a used 12 channel whatever and save some $$. You'll blow way more cash on pedals once the addiction hits. I wouldn't worry about pristine sound quality since you're going to be mangling your drum sounds anyway!
Try Melda Audio.s frequency shifter (VST Plugin) Its awesome. I been recording drums, then rerecording with that effect. They have a very useful comb filter too. I think recording drums is like art styles, theres a photo realist style that tries to recapture and recreate the sounds absolutely as faithfully as possible, then theres the abstract expressionist that goes totally for whatever sound comes up with no preconceived idea of"quality" Have you tried the Sonuus Wahoo?I use it sometimes with a frame drum. Akai headrush works good with theframe drum too
Hey there! Thanks for the suggestions. They'll be helpful to others that see your comment. As for me, I spend all day (and night) working on a computer. So when I get a chance to play drums, I want the immediate tactile sensation that pedal effects offer. No screens. Just knobs and switches and drums and cymbals. But I'm definitely in the minority here, with everyone editing their drums in a DAW. Thanks again for sharing these great ideas for sonic exploration!
@@bobloblaw01 I have grown to like electronic sound more and more, after loathing the 4 on the floor elctronic disco/house/techno stuff for years. Theres something magical that happens when a signal chain is "in tune" and it begins to act organically almost in the way an acoustic instrument responds to your touch and dynamics
Yes, I could have adjusted these effects more to make them all sound better. I was very new to this at the time. It is what it is, and I am only one man in his basement. Thx for watching.
Been searching high and low to figure out which pedals to add to my Trio+ on the Drum+Bass tracks, which sound too clean. Thanks for your channel. Going to watch every video.
Great video for guys like me- guitar player for years, getting into recording and mixing. I have a plethora of pedals, but not much outboard gear. Plug ins are cool, sure. But using pedals I know inside and out to effect recorded sources is where it's at. Most important detail of this video is the reamp box you are using. Makes things much easier for I/o connectivity. Thanks for the video!
I Can't Wait Much Longer by Robin Trower (1973) features drums with a slow phaser effect.
I haven't really heard anything like that since, it sounds so unbelievably good.
I've been using a slow vibrato effect on my electronic/sample drums which softens them beautifully.
I think you can make each work.
1. Distortion, chorus etc. on kick and snare add more punch, kinda like the voidz albums.
2.Flanger, phaser, tremolo(fast), ring mod etc on cymbals add character as these already have some tonality. It sounds spacey electronic and psychedelic.
3. Fuzz on toms. No particular reason, just for the lack of better options.
(also, liked and subbed)
Nice thought. I want to try this.
I'm not a drummer but I do a bit of production and the idea just popped in "I've never seen that done before." live, I mean . I'm trying to imagine the madness you could achieve. Need a drum kit now. I see by the comments I'm a bit late to the party.
Thanks dude! Like this a lot, I really always wondered about this but didn't want to buy fx just to find out!
Man, I was debating this and your video is exactly what I needed. Thank you!
I can appreciate that only a couple of pedals are of any use to a drummer, but I could see a lot of possibilities with a delay pedal--although setting the tempo might be a challenge.
Actually, with a tap tempo on the delay pedal it's easy. The tough part is staying in time with the delay - it's like a weird metronome situation that you can easily rush or drag through.
Just picked up the tonecraft boostmate & I think what you are doing is very important, sir. Thank you. You got a new subscriber.
I hope it helps other drummers trying to wrap their heads around pedals. Thx for your kind words!
Might just need to do a wet and dry blend for the ones that sound pretty good.
yes
The phaser would've been nice to hear at different speeds. Maybe slow up the effect a bit.
LOL - dude, you are briliiant. Love it when you thank your "4 or 5 subscribers." We appreciate it :)
It's my subscribers that keep me going. Really. I mean that. Really. No, seriously. Actually.
I'm sure I can get you to 7 if I ask my folks... ;)
Many of the effects you didn't like might sound neat if you lower the wet / depth of the modulation.
Great video
Great channel! Great taste! Do you you apply the fx on a single microphone or as a send of all the drum mics ?(if there are many).
Thx so much. You can do either - use one dedicated mic as your effects channel, or what I do (which may not be right!) which is to send all my mics to one AUX channel that goes out to the effects. If you haven't already, check out my first video that explains my set up. It's long and boring, but might help.
how did i only just find this channel
I think they work if you approach the drums more like a synthesizer and drum machine with a more experimental music mindset...
I’m wondering how I’d get a pedal board for my drums going for a live setup. What would the signal path be?
my very first video explains my own set up in way too much detail. might be helpful.
very very cool stuff
how did you connect the pedal to the drums?
I’ve got a whole video on that.
Honestly, would’ve been cool if you added a sweeping motion to that flanger
maybe i'll try a flanger again. i don't know. can't get into them. but never went that deep either.
Can u make a Video with drummaschines?like ya stuff
Great vid, liked and subscribed!
A couple thoughts:
Most pedals will work best affecting a single piece of kit, e.g. what sounds good on cymbals might make the kick drum garbage.
The reason why tremolo sucked for you is that you are playing acoustic drums. The natural human dynamics and groove of your playing already does enough to vary the hits and makes it interesting. Very subtle tremolo tempo-synced to a quantized, constant-velocity drum machine will help to humanize them a bit. Otherwise yeah I agree, it kind of gets in the way of the beat.
Ring modulation often sucks, but here's why: what ring mod does is take a main input signal and a secondary carrier signal, and outputs BOTH the sum and difference of the two frequencies. Run of the mill ring mods typically provide an internal sine wave for the carrier which you have to dial in by hand. Say, 440 Hz. It then does its thing using that plus the player's instrument. It'll usually only sound good where the two frequencies that are output are harmonic in nature. Otherwise it's some robotic bell grindy glitchy thing that sounds abrasive. I only know of one pedal that let's you provide both signals: the MF-102. It sounds pretty great using a kick drum and a bass. Kind of robotic distortion that has a lot of gravitas.
Distortion and fuzz both sound quite nice on whole kits for sure though.
I look forward to more videos, I found them quite enjoyable!
Great input! Thanks for sharing that knowledge - really helps me understand what's going on. More videos are on the way in a month or so. (just had a baby so can't really be blasting away on the kit right now). And you're so right about how different effects work for different instruments on the kit. I bought a VFE Klein Bottle to experiment with this - it has three channels that you can assign to different frequency bands with their own effects loops. This way you can put fuzz on the kick frequency, delay on the snare frequency, and reverb on the cymbal frequency (for example). That's something I'll do a video on once I figure out if it helps or hinders the kit sound. Could be cool. Could be weird. Not sure. But thx for watching!
@@Stefanwegner416 congrats on the baby! I'll have to check out Klein Bottle
Ring mod through a drum machine is amazing. Especially if you can take the input volume and use it as an envelope follower on something like the frequency of the carrier, or another parameter.
This is a neat exploration. What's the signal chain?
Check out my first video on this channel - it's a long-winded, amateurish explanation of my set up.
JHS's channel just uploaded a video showing this very method event using the same reamper. Yours is the credit ;D pfff copy cats!
Yeah, they could have said something like, "Check out Drums FX Pedals - that guy's been carrying the torch for pedals on drums for years." But, hey, whatareyagonnado?
DRUMS FX PEDALS subscribe to you and unsub to them. 😃🥰
pretty sure theres tremolo on one of the dj shadow endtroducing drum tracks that sound amazing but so does the whole record... you cant mess with genius. cant think of anywhere else ive heard it done and i havent listened to that album for a year or two so dont quote me on the effect.. it might be a gnarly chorus... anyway yeh i feel like phase, chorus and flange on drums is all about either effecting in parallel or lowering the wet amount, and also too much "feedback" just gives it too much plastic sci fi kinda alien sound that's too destructive to the fundamental aspects of the drum that we all like and want to hear. just my thoughts having done this quite a bit over the years also. ok now im gonna watch all your other videos cuz i think guitar pedals sound better on drums than guitars
Hey, yeah. If I could do this video again, I'd lower the wet amount and change up the speeds to find a sweet spot for certain effects. But I was so young, so impetuous. I lived for the moment. And made videos without thinking anyone would ever watch them. About guitar pedals sounding better on drums; this has been my refrain for years now. Yet no pedal builder I've talked to sees the potential in building pedals with drummers in mind. Let's prove them all wrong, shall we?
@@bobloblaw01 omg yeh totally agree. i have a few delays by oldblood noise and they have a mix knob which allows 100% wet which is so good for using as a mixing tool. i mean everything sounds better on drums cuz drums are better... right! did you see the Show Us Your Junk episode where the dude blasts the drum mono mix back into the live room and then uses loads of pedals including the rainbow machine wooooo. i saw jamie lidell using a marshall modulator on drums also which sounded wild. anyway i talk too much. thanks for your channel!
@@m.o.n.d.e.g.r.e.e.n keep being awesome
how many mics do you have and are you using a mixer or a reamp?
I have a video where i run through my set up - it explains everything I knew at that time. basically, drums are all miked, plus overheads. But you can use only one mic if you want. Run the mic(s) through a mixer and out to a reamper, then to pedals, then back to reamp, then back to mixer on a new channel. check out that first video if you think it will help.
@@bobloblaw01 watched that TWICE. So helpful. Thanks!
@@JISMusicYT If I can help just one guy get their pedals on, then i've done my job here. go forth and spread the word. pedals and drums do mix.
@@bobloblaw01 One more question, do you have any recommendations for mixers?
@@JISMusicYT I like the Touchmix 16 - lots of in and outs, control, onboard effects, etc. Get a used one since they've been around for a while. But really, any mixer is fine. As long as you have enough channels for your mics plus another channel for the effects loop. Get a used 12 channel whatever and save some $$. You'll blow way more cash on pedals once the addiction hits. I wouldn't worry about pristine sound quality since you're going to be mangling your drum sounds anyway!
Sounds like the voices inside my head...
Faster tremolo induces motion sickness...
COOL AND MAKE A EXPERIMENTAL MUSIC
Try Melda Audio.s frequency shifter (VST Plugin) Its awesome. I been recording drums, then rerecording with that effect. They have a very useful comb filter too.
I think recording drums is like art styles, theres a photo realist style that tries to recapture and recreate the sounds absolutely as faithfully as possible, then theres the abstract expressionist that goes totally for whatever sound comes up with no preconceived idea of"quality"
Have you tried the Sonuus Wahoo?I use it sometimes with a frame drum. Akai headrush works good with theframe drum too
Hey there! Thanks for the suggestions. They'll be helpful to others that see your comment. As for me, I spend all day (and night) working on a computer. So when I get a chance to play drums, I want the immediate tactile sensation that pedal effects offer. No screens. Just knobs and switches and drums and cymbals. But I'm definitely in the minority here, with everyone editing their drums in a DAW. Thanks again for sharing these great ideas for sonic exploration!
@@bobloblaw01 I have grown to like electronic sound more and more, after loathing the 4 on the floor elctronic disco/house/techno stuff for years. Theres something magical that happens when a signal chain is "in tune" and it begins to act organically almost in the way an acoustic instrument responds to your touch and dynamics