(UPDATE NOV 15, 2021) I recently visited the Udvar Hazy Center where the HO-229 V3 is located and the aircraft's fuselage is currently covered up with a tarp. Though behind the aircraft, the wings are still visible and uncovered.
+ Surviving History The preservation work is interesting but they have a huge task when the original wood has already turned to powder from fungus. They were trying to patch everything with synthetic materials to not damage the original. Honestly I think they should just preserve the original wood separately and just rebuild the aircraft around the frame. Far too much damage was done by just letting it rot for 30 years. Rebuilding it would represent the plane as it was found in the Gotha workshop and without the ugly blue/gray paint that the Allies applied to it after war.
@@FiveCentsPleaseThe men who brought the Go-229 to the USA also painted svastikas in the rear side of the wing, not existing when the airplane was seized
@@joseveintegenario-nisu1928 I don't know. US Intelligence gave the 229 V3 to the RAF first over the summer of 1945, so I guess it wasn't a priority for them. And the RAF was interrogating the Horten brothers and also searching for the wreckage of the V1 and V2 and never found them. The V3 could have been painted in British PRU Blue during that time. It sure looks a lot like that color. The RAF returned the V3 to the AAF in August 1945 and it was shipped by rail to Ohio.
@@DANTHETUBEMAN You know the first UFO spotted, was over Washington and it looked like the Horton 229. Kinda funny story..........There is even a drawing how a witness saw it.
For German submarines, they choose short men, the size of beds was in accordance. As war progressed, they lost so many U-Boot, that there were no more short crew members. The submarine construction could not be modified, the new crews of standard tall had to sleep with legs bent. No way to have a good sleep this way
If I was extremely rich, I'd make an entire company that revolves around creating air worthy productions of "what if" aircraft from prototypes that were in production but never got to actually be finished. There are many wonderful ones from all around the world.
+Crazy Gaming It was unpainted when it was found in the Gotha workshop except for some green fireproof coating. It should be returned the the unpainted condition and remove the blue/gray paint applied by the Allies. In fact I advocate storing the rotten original wood panels and constructing duplicate panels to showcase the airframe as it was.
I think the only hope for the wings to get attached is with a replica, because this is all the original parts from the 40s in Germany The wood is rotten
@@FiveCentsPlease - why building a replica and storing the original woods when it anyway is not going to fly??? There must be a way how to conserve the original wood on the plane while on display, like Wasa ship in Sthlm, Sweden....
@@conceptalfa A lot of the original wood is turning to powder from fungus and rot. It's pretty bad in the conservation photos and they are making great efforts to stabilize it. I will be very disappointed if they keep the blue/gray paint that was painted after it was captured by the Allies. I think it should be returned to the bare wood and green fireproof paints that were on it in the Gotha workshop. So I think it would be better for the artifact to duplicate the wood structure as original.
@@johnfranborra I mean, that makes sense too. But I’m more concerned about the safety of the pilots over anything else. Even if we made a better quality version of the ho229, if we still followed by the original schematics, I wouldn’t risk sending a pilot to fly that aircraft around and losing a life, in addition to the 229 being already almost nonexistent. Given its safety record. Having it on display is the best thing for the 229, I feel. You see the aircraft as itself and learn about its history that way.
@@danielmolinar8669 As I, recall, the 229 crashed because of an engine failure. Aerodynamically, I think it handled very well; most of the Hortens' later machines were very good flyers. I'd love to see someone replicate it, as has been done with the Me 163 and 262.
El ing Horten trabajo en Argentina desde 1947 hasta su muerte . Preparo a numerosos investigadores técnicos e ingenieros. Los británicos lo premiaron por sus estudios sobre las alas delta. Aunque presentó varios proyectos, los desacuerdos con Kurt Tank, padre del Pulqui II segundo avión a turbina Argentino, le cerraron muchas puertas. Abrazo
It’s a shame it’s not assembled. It wasn’t assembled when they found it so I guess it’s historically accurate. Certainly a historic display. There are two others that are is worse shape on display out there as well.
Correct.I always felt so too.The Russians were and are the real enemy,not the Germans.1/3 rd or more of the United States population has and is German. Myself and my family included.
It’s really hitlers fault on that part he declared war due to Japan being attacked and them sharing a formal pact pride got the better of him there to be fair though this was long before the “internet”.
Bendita obra de ingeniería solo la gran alemania pudo lograr una nave tan sobresaliente profundos respetos y admiración a los ingenieros alemanes los mejores del mundo Alemania te llevo en ❤❤❤❤❤
From 0:10 to 0:22 is a Douglas aircraft hangar at Orchard Field, Chicago (now O'Hare.) The AAF moved captured/foreign testing aircraft from Freeman Field and stored them there, and you can see them in the background of the photos. It was Gen. Hap Arnold who thought that examples of aircraft should be preserved. With the Cold War and Korean War going, that hangar was needed so that aircraft collection was donated to the Smithsonian sometime around 1950. You can see that the 229 was still in decent shape at that time before improper storage by the Smithsonian created rot and decay on the aircraft. Also note the absence of any elevons, flaperons or other flight controls, because I don't believe they were ever found with the aircraft and it was never tested or flown.
Correct the v3 of the Horten ho 229 was never flown it was the v2 version that flew a couple of times, including a pretend dogfight with a Me-262, but in it's last flight the right side Junker jump 004 turbo jet engine flamed out and the plane crashed and killed the pilot
You should be aware that Jack northrup built his NM1 flying wing before hortens started the 229. Northrup is who made the b2. Northrup even made the huge yb49 in the late 40s.
It's definitely really cool, but it bears mentioning that Jack Northrop had been experimenting with flying wings around the same time and he was aware of the Horton brothers' work in the 1930s. What makes the 229 unique was that it was the first flying wing to have jet engines, while Northrop's N-1M and N-9M had twin pusher props. Northrop's jet powered YB-49 had its first flight after the war in 1947.
I'm curious, how did thing actually fly? I thought the Northrup flying wing had to have stabilizers or counter-rotating props to remains stable, and that we couldn't develop our modern B2 until we had perfected "fly by wire" technology, so how was this thing stable enough to fly? Just wondering
Both the wings and fuselage are both still on racks and are not reconnected yet. I checked the Smithsonian's website but I couldn't find anything that says they have plans to reassemble the aircraft soon.
They were literally ruled unfit for purpose and were considered death traps. There is a reason the project was canned and the Horten Brothers moved on to other designs.
this presentation is for speed readers only. i had to replay it and press pause about every 5 seconds to be able to read the information..why waste everyones time like this with such as great subject
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Name was Horten Ho-IX or Gotha Go-229. Title is wrong. Northrop built a 1:1 scale mockup with same materials as original German Flying Wing, and put it high on a pylon, to test how stealth under Radar it was. NatGeo has the video about this
I think it belongs in German museum. We have a good relationship with Germany now and it's more a part of their history; not ours. I find it a bit insulting and say give it back.
They cover up and erase their own history. I wouldn’t find it wise to send anything of historical value there now. Place is ate TF up with communism and gobbledygook
Labelling it V3 is very confusing. I understand now that this is (Very) short for version, but my immediate reaction was that this was not a V weapon, as V3 was a very long barrelled cannon.
+ Mark You misunderstood the 'V." Starting in 1935, the RLM assigned German prototype aircraft V numbers, V for "Versuch" or experiment. The RLM had a very organized naming system for aircraft and engines.
Why would they not install the wings ? What the Hell ? You go to all of that trouble to supposedly restore the most advanced aircraft of WW2. By FAR ! and simply attaching the wings with a handful of rivets isn't a thought ? It doesn't have to fly so the wings could be snapped on pretty damn quick with some duct-tape & zip-tie's. Ridiculous !
+ Mark Mitchezee The preservation work is not nearly complete. The wood structure has crumbled into a powdery mess from fungus rot. They are doing work with tweezers and Q-tips to save what is already destroyed.
@@FiveCentsPlease It's sad that the US let that one-of-a-kind machine fall into such an advanced state of disrepair. If any nation had the resources to preserve it, it was the US.
+ Mach 1 Probably something that the museum will work on for years. I am in favor of the museum saving the original wooden structure and constructing duplicate wood as original and then assembling the aircraft. The original wood is so rotted that they'll be fixing it a square centimeter at a time for years.
Good video except for everything moving too quickly!!! Had to read and see the pics at a same time, had to replay several times, but maybe that was the point????
The V3 wasn't armed. Just the frames for the V4, V5, and V6 were also found in the Gotha workshop, and I think the V4 had mounts to prototype a possible armed variant.
That was a bad ass plane scary to know they had this in the fortys mind you if they could have mass produce this plane we would all be speaking german right now!!!!
A bunch of German Nazis started a world war, murdered millions of innocent people, stole art, cash and other wealth, lost the war and now you are whining about having your war weapons confiscated? Good luck with that.
@@henryc.1131 In Munich is the so called „Deutsches Museum München“ (a technical museum) and a part of this Museum is the old airfield (Luftwaffe) in Oberschleißheim and there it is possible to see a small part of German aviation development. One part of this is a „Nurflügler“ glider designed by the brothers Horten. The only real Horten fighter plane are now in the USA, also many other planes designed by German engineers, all these planes and Helicopters comes to the states as a so called „Kriegsbeute“ and so, they are not in German museums, but in Americans.
All historian creations should be left alone as is. This way, it they will remain as original history made by original men. Why would anyone restore it as new by destroying the original creation & then paint it over with modern paint? Why not just build & duplicate the version of it without destroying history. I hate it when they do the same thing to the art painting & sculptures. We can exact duplicate anything with modern 3D Printers.
(UPDATE NOV 15, 2021)
I recently visited the Udvar Hazy Center where the HO-229 V3 is located and the aircraft's fuselage is currently covered up with a tarp. Though behind the aircraft, the wings are still visible and uncovered.
+ Surviving History The preservation work is interesting but they have a huge task when the original wood has already turned to powder from fungus. They were trying to patch everything with synthetic materials to not damage the original. Honestly I think they should just preserve the original wood separately and just rebuild the aircraft around the frame. Far too much damage was done by just letting it rot for 30 years. Rebuilding it would represent the plane as it was found in the Gotha workshop and without the ugly blue/gray paint that the Allies applied to it after war.
@@FiveCentsPleaseThe men who brought the Go-229 to the USA also painted svastikas in the rear side of the wing, not existing when the airplane was seized
@@joseveintegenario-nisu1928 The aircraft was unfinished and unpainted when it was found, except for a green fireproof coating.
@@FiveCentsPlease Thanks, you confirm what I said, svastikas were painted on Go-229 after its arrival to USA.
Who? Why? When?
@@joseveintegenario-nisu1928 I don't know. US Intelligence gave the 229 V3 to the RAF first over the summer of 1945, so I guess it wasn't a priority for them. And the RAF was interrogating the Horten brothers and also searching for the wreckage of the V1 and V2 and never found them. The V3 could have been painted in British PRU Blue during that time. It sure looks a lot like that color. The RAF returned the V3 to the AAF in August 1945 and it was shipped by rail to Ohio.
Specifically it is the ONLY V3 because it was the third prototype Versions 4, 5, and 6 were under construction in the same workshop.
I think we got over 10 of them and kenith Arnald saw them being moved in Washington.
@@DANTHETUBEMAN You know the first UFO spotted, was over Washington and it looked like the Horton 229.
Kinda funny story..........There is even a drawing how a witness saw it.
@@Tbonyandsteak yes, Kenith Arnald described 10 Horton 229 flying wing in formation with Victor schoubuger repulsing engines in them.
@@DANTHETUBEMAN it makes perfect sence it was a Horton 229
@@Tbonyandsteak it is what was available at the time.
I'm glad that the Horten ho.229 is still around and intact
Saw this at the museum. The very first thing that came to mind is that the pilots would have to have been incredibly tiny.
OR EUROPE SIZE NOT USA 😂
For German submarines, they choose short men, the size of beds was in accordance.
As war progressed, they lost so many U-Boot, that there were no more short crew members.
The submarine construction could not be modified, the new crews of standard tall had to sleep with legs bent.
No way to have a good sleep this way
If I was extremely rich I would have financed a project to build an airworthy copy. Imagine seeing this awesome piece of engineering fly.
If I was extremely rich, I'd make an entire company that revolves around creating air worthy productions of "what if" aircraft from prototypes that were in production but never got to actually be finished. There are many wonderful ones from all around the world.
we’re still waiting for those wings to finally be reattached and the plane repainted
hopefully soon
+Crazy Gaming It was unpainted when it was found in the Gotha workshop except for some green fireproof coating. It should be returned the the unpainted condition and remove the blue/gray paint applied by the Allies. In fact I advocate storing the rotten original wood panels and constructing duplicate panels to showcase the airframe as it was.
@@FiveCentsPlease good idea
I think the only hope for the wings to get attached is with a replica, because this is all the original parts from the 40s in Germany The wood is rotten
@@FiveCentsPlease - why building a replica and storing the original woods when it anyway is not going to fly???
There must be a way how to conserve the original wood on the plane while on display, like Wasa ship in Sthlm, Sweden....
@@conceptalfa A lot of the original wood is turning to powder from fungus and rot. It's pretty bad in the conservation photos and they are making great efforts to stabilize it. I will be very disappointed if they keep the blue/gray paint that was painted after it was captured by the Allies. I think it should be returned to the bare wood and green fireproof paints that were on it in the Gotha workshop. So I think it would be better for the artifact to duplicate the wood structure as original.
The HO 229 looks like it dropped straight out of Fallout 4 or something.
Got to see it in person. 2nd coolest thing in the museum for sure
The real shame is that no one has stepped forward and offered to make this aircraft FLYABLE.
Because who would dare step into something with like a 0% safety record, even if it was just that one time lol.
@@danielmolinar8669 It's too valuable to risk trying to fly. It's worth far more reassembled and displayed for the world to see.,
@@johnfranborra I mean, that makes sense too. But I’m more concerned about the safety of the pilots over anything else. Even if we made a better quality version of the ho229, if we still followed by the original schematics, I wouldn’t risk sending a pilot to fly that aircraft around and losing a life, in addition to the 229 being already almost nonexistent. Given its safety record. Having it on display is the best thing for the 229, I feel. You see the aircraft as itself and learn about its history that way.
@@danielmolinar8669 As I, recall, the 229 crashed because of an engine failure. Aerodynamically, I think it handled very well; most of the Hortens' later machines were very good flyers. I'd love to see someone replicate it, as has been done with the Me 163 and 262.
El ing Horten trabajo en Argentina desde 1947 hasta su muerte . Preparo a numerosos investigadores técnicos e ingenieros. Los británicos lo premiaron por sus estudios sobre las alas delta. Aunque presentó varios proyectos, los desacuerdos con Kurt Tank, padre del Pulqui II segundo avión a turbina Argentino, le cerraron muchas puertas. Abrazo
Wunderbar gemacht! Danke!
I got to see it last year!, absolutely stunning!
It’s a shame it’s not assembled. It wasn’t assembled when they found it so I guess it’s historically accurate. Certainly a historic display. There are two others that are is worse shape on display out there as well.
@@chrisb9960 The pics show it assembled. 🤔
"We have conquered the wrong ennemy".
George Patton
Skinned the wrong pic, Churchill
You're gonna keep quoting that crap 20 years from now?
@@joesamabinbiden6663 yes joesama bin biden =D
Correct.I always felt so too.The Russians were and are the real enemy,not the Germans.1/3 rd or more of the United States population has and is German. Myself and my family included.
It’s really hitlers fault on that part he declared war due to Japan being attacked and them sharing a formal pact pride got the better of him there to be fair though this was long before the “internet”.
Bendita obra de ingeniería solo la gran alemania pudo lograr una nave tan sobresaliente profundos respetos y admiración a los ingenieros alemanes los mejores del mundo Alemania te llevo en ❤❤❤❤❤
I saw it in person awhile ago. Very surreal standing next to it
Soundtrack is perfect
There is a Horton aircraft company making flying wings in Germany today
Horton or Horten?
@@mach1553 ruclips.net/video/QJQeVtM6oZk/видео.html
From 0:10 to 0:22 is a Douglas aircraft hangar at Orchard Field, Chicago (now O'Hare.) The AAF moved captured/foreign testing aircraft from Freeman Field and stored them there, and you can see them in the background of the photos. It was Gen. Hap Arnold who thought that examples of aircraft should be preserved. With the Cold War and Korean War going, that hangar was needed so that aircraft collection was donated to the Smithsonian sometime around 1950. You can see that the 229 was still in decent shape at that time before improper storage by the Smithsonian created rot and decay on the aircraft. Also note the absence of any elevons, flaperons or other flight controls, because I don't believe they were ever found with the aircraft and it was never tested or flown.
Thank you for that additional info. I had no idea it was ever in the Midwest.
Correct the v3 of the Horten ho 229 was never flown it was the v2 version that flew a couple of times, including a pretend dogfight with a Me-262, but in it's last flight the right side Junker jump 004 turbo jet engine flamed out and the plane crashed and killed the pilot
Saw the new B-21 stealth bomber.
All I could think of was this badass machine.
You should be aware that Jack northrup built his NM1 flying wing before hortens started the 229. Northrup is who made the b2. Northrup even made the huge yb49 in the late 40s.
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It's definitely really cool, but it bears mentioning that Jack Northrop had been experimenting with flying wings around the same time and he was aware of the Horton brothers' work in the 1930s. What makes the 229 unique was that it was the first flying wing to have jet engines, while Northrop's N-1M and N-9M had twin pusher props. Northrop's jet powered YB-49 had its first flight after the war in 1947.
I'm curious, how did thing actually fly? I thought the Northrup flying wing had to have stabilizers or counter-rotating props to remains stable, and that we couldn't develop our modern B2 until we had perfected "fly by wire" technology, so how was this thing stable enough to fly? Just wondering
Is it on display assembled now or still in its rack .
Both the wings and fuselage are both still on racks and are not reconnected yet. I checked the Smithsonian's website but I couldn't find anything that says they have plans to reassemble the aircraft soon.
nowadays such innovation is impossible to be created
I was hoping they would eventually reassemble it to put it on display
I would love to have that. It's a good thing they didn't have a fleet of them during the war
They were literally ruled unfit for purpose and were considered death traps. There is a reason the project was canned and the Horten Brothers moved on to other designs.
@@Tozzpot500the project was never cancelled, in fact 40 ho 229s were ordered by the luftwaffe
Eigentlich könnte man die horten 229 zurück geben nach Deutschland! Ins Museum.
And Germany should give back the hordes of stolen art and gold from WWII, too. Good luck.
Danke' mein fruend.Da Horten 229 ist Das gut ein ist Duestch,nein 1:14 American.
@@JoeGator23 Wieder volltrunken?
@@JoeGator23 Shitbrain.
@@JoeGator23 the Germans have already returned everything and on top of that also paid compensation.
My heart dropped when I heard the lyrics Kick in
Just think!. If this aircraft would be reengineered with modern avionics and turbojets???. Just thinking!.
Built from carbon that air frame promises great electric plane performance. That's my idea.
this presentation is for speed readers only. i had to replay it and press pause about every 5 seconds to be able to read the information..why waste everyones time like this with such as great subject
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does it still fly?
+@artemkurteev The V3 prototype never flew at all, not once. Only R/C models of it fly today.
There is a record of it flying just once after capture from North Grumman.
THE WUNDERWAFFE MUST BE COMPLETE
The Father Of B2
Very nice
Name was Horten Ho-IX or Gotha Go-229.
Title is wrong.
Northrop built a 1:1 scale mockup with same materials as original German Flying Wing, and put it high on a pylon, to test how stealth under Radar it was.
NatGeo has the video about this
+@josega6338 The mockup constructed by the Northrop model department was just a plywood shape and not an exact recreation of the V3 prototype.
I wish they would at least attach the wings
Wow! ✈️
I think it belongs in German museum. We have a good relationship with Germany now and it's more a part of their history; not ours. I find it a bit insulting and say give it back.
It's here because of other more significant aspects of their "history".
i dont think they would appreciate us giving them n@zi technology ngl, ESPECIALLY their history
They cover up and erase their own history. I wouldn’t find it wise to send anything of historical value there now. Place is ate TF up with communism and gobbledygook
Thenks.amazing
Labelling it V3 is very confusing. I understand now that this is (Very) short for version, but my immediate reaction was that this was not a V weapon, as V3 was a very long barrelled cannon.
+ Mark You misunderstood the 'V." Starting in 1935, the RLM assigned German prototype aircraft V numbers, V for "Versuch" or experiment. The RLM had a very organized naming system for aircraft and engines.
Why not restored
This thing is made out of wood in the outside, metal frame in the insides, we should make a replica of this instead of restoring
And the wood obviously got rotten
Why would they not install the wings ? What the Hell ? You go to all of that trouble to supposedly restore the most advanced aircraft of WW2. By FAR ! and simply attaching the wings with a handful of rivets isn't a thought ? It doesn't have to fly so the wings could be snapped on pretty damn quick with some duct-tape & zip-tie's. Ridiculous !
+ Mark Mitchezee The preservation work is not nearly complete. The wood structure has crumbled into a powdery mess from fungus rot. They are doing work with tweezers and Q-tips to save what is already destroyed.
@@FiveCentsPlease we should make a flyable replica it would definitely work
only in your fantasy .
@@FiveCentsPlease It's sad that the US let that one-of-a-kind machine fall into such an advanced state of disrepair. If any nation had the resources to preserve it, it was the US.
I want to join this team
On display, I thought it was being restored?
+ Mach 1 Probably something that the museum will work on for years. I am in favor of the museum saving the original wooden structure and constructing duplicate wood as original and then assembling the aircraft. The original wood is so rotted that they'll be fixing it a square centimeter at a time for years.
2020 was 4 years ago
Good video except for everything moving too quickly!!!
Had to read and see the pics at a same time, had to replay several times, but maybe that was the point????
The V3 wasn't armed. Just the frames for the V4, V5, and V6 were also found in the Gotha workshop, and I think the V4 had mounts to prototype a possible armed variant.
здравствуйте то есть это оригинальный самолёт
That was a bad ass plane scary to know they had this in the fortys mind you if they could have mass produce this plane we would all be speaking german right now!!!!
Lmao no😂
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Kagak lah kan bukan...
Hoffentlich kommt bald mal wieder eine zurück ins deutsche Museum nach München, nachdem ihr sie uns geklaut habt… 😊
A bunch of German Nazis started a world war, murdered millions of innocent people, stole art, cash and other wealth, lost the war and now you are whining about having your war weapons confiscated? Good luck with that.
Why Munich? The Ho 229 had nothing to do with Munich.
@@henryc.1131
In Munich is the so called „Deutsches Museum München“ (a technical museum) and a part of this Museum is the old airfield (Luftwaffe) in Oberschleißheim and there it is possible to see a small part of German aviation development. One part of this is a „Nurflügler“ glider designed by the brothers Horten. The only real Horten fighter plane are now in the USA, also many other planes designed by German engineers, all these planes and Helicopters comes to the states as a so called „Kriegsbeute“ and so, they are not in German museums, but in Americans.
All historian creations should be left alone as is. This way, it they will remain as original history made by original men. Why would anyone restore it as new by destroying the original creation & then paint it over with modern paint? Why not just build & duplicate the version of it without destroying history. I hate it when they do the same thing to the art painting & sculptures. We can exact duplicate anything with modern 3D Printers.
Type XXI submarine hehe
Thank you for your request, I will add it to my queue of requested videos.