How Peter Jackson FOOLED an Entire Country
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2024
- Before The Lord of the Rings Peter Jackson made Forgotten Silver - a documentary about long-lost New Zealand film-maker Colin Mackenzie. Unlike Peter Jackson’s Beatles and war documentaries, when Forgotten Silver aired in New Zealand in 1995, it triggered a national outrage. This video essay looks at this key part of Peter Jackson’s filmography from before The Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit, King Kong and Bad Taste, that has mostly been forgotten.
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Behind the Bull - NZ on Screen - www.nzonscreen.com/title/behi...
Ian Nathan, ‘Peter Jackson: A Film-maker's Journey’, 2006
Scott Wilson, ‘Aching to Believe: The Heresy of Forgotten Silver,’ in C.J. Miller (Ed.), Too Bold for the Box Office: The Mockumentary from Big Screen to Small, 2012
Forgotten Silver remembered 20 years on, Stuff.co.nz article by James Croot, 28 Oct 2015
Television: Throwback Thursday - How Peter Jackson’s TV Special Pranked All of Middle Earth, Spinoff.co.nz article by Aaron Yap
Faking it: Mock-documentary and the subversion of factuality, by Jane Roscoe and Craig Hight, 2018
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You can watch Forgotten Silver legally here: vimeo.com/ondemand/forgottensilver
Hello! What do you think about the latest video on Jesse Tribble's channel? The name of the video: "Can The Lord of the Rings Ever be Remastered?".
Thanks for maybe the most thorough and intelligent exegesis of this film I’ve yet seen, and for the plug. Much appreciated.
@@costabotes7308 Thank YOU for making it, and for helping keep it accessible in this digital world.
@@PentexProductions FYI, I am currently writing a book about the film. The plan is to detail its conception, production, and reception, with plenty of recollections from those who were there, and of course a hefty dose of personal memoir from me. I do appreciate you stressing the film was made by two people, not just one! It was my baby, but PJ was a hell of a Godfather.
I look forward to reading that.
I saw this movie when I was in high school, the mid 2000s. I was attending a filmmaking summer camp at University of Texas at Austin. The teachers explained little things about what Jackson was doing in the film, how he literally leads the audience down the garden path at the beginning, to the "discovery" of the lost reels. The use of subtle comedy in order to telegraph to the discerning viewer that this is all a joke, but just subtle enough that it went over a lot of people's heads. My favorite bit was when MacKenzie was put on trial for possessing obscene materials after accidentally filming some topless native women. The narration: "An all male jury deliberating for several hours, requesting repeated viewings of the film." LOL I think about this movie all the time, glad to see someone talking about it.
I so desperately wanted to include that joke in the video as the exact example of the movie's style of subtle humour, but couldn't for obvious reasons. It's one of my favourite little gags in the movie, and like a lot of the humour you really need to be paying attention to catch the joke. That and the fact that the whole reason Pearse's flight was unsuccessful was because he was swerving to avoid crashing into Colin's camera!
Love that you were studying this in Texas - it has a very niche following but is such a valuable movie for teaching film styles and history.
It’s not “satire” when it’s directly meant to mock the perceived artistic and cultural ignorance of the viewers and the common citizen.
That’s elitist crap. If the viewer is the one that’s mocked by the end, that’s tricky political territory and it’s not likely a conservative and artistic elitist like Jackson had some greater enlightened goal in mind other than just to mock the lack of education of the viewers and highlight how much smarter he and the filmmakers are than the viewers.
Ass****!
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Entire New Zealand population:
I suppose you think that was terribly clever...
Jackson, laughing gleefully: "Did you see their faces!"
Terrablee cliver
Yes. Yes they do.
I suppose you have never heard of "eating media lunch" a NZ mock news show that convinced alot of NZ people that the NZ government was funding a " Porn film" because it was historically accurate
Jackson has gone from making new film look like old, to making old film look new.
And, for his next trick, he's going to "restore" this film by taking all the grain out of it...
Honestly, why can't he just Let It Be?
I can't believe Jackson made Triumph of the Will
Yeah the only issue with Lord of the Rings are the miniatures as If you watch them on a decent tv it shows up too much that they are models . Besides that though Lord of the Rings Trilogy still hold up as amazing so does King Kong.
I had to rewatch Lord of the rings to get the stink of the Amazon show out lol
So true! "They Shall Not Grow Old" is so amazing
As a great Kiwi actor himself, I’m still surprised this is Sam Neill’s only film role directed by Peter Jackson.
Never thought of that
Sam needs to come back from hell !!!
I want a second Event Horizon !!!!!
There is a movie called The Czech dream. It's not a mocumentary but it documents probably the biggest practical joke in the history of my country. It was just two guys doing a campaign for a brand new shopping center. It was huge, caught a lot of attention and when it came to "grand opening," masses of people just got to an empty lot with a huge banner that basically said "You got goofed." Dudes almost got eaten alive.
That sounds absolutely hilarious.
@@PentexProductions watch?v=KVK3Alnagwg
Here's a trailer. Not sure if you take anything from it because it's in Czech but there are at least some shots from the actual opening.
EDIT: Hey, the almighty alorithm blessed me with the entire movie. watch?v=-cWrl3AAkYY
Your people are cannibals?
@alexsetterington3142 - Hey, he said "almost", okay?! Haha
I heard in 2030 PJ's gonna reveal that he didn't direct the LOTR trilogy. Instead it was Colin Mackenzie in a ''Peter Jackson suit'' 👏👏👏
'You haven't aged a day!'
How could you possibly have heard that in 2030 when it's only 2024?!
And that's how easy it is!
LOL
Do we _assume_ you had to borrow a certain machine from H.G. Wells to come to that conclusion?
Straight away, I went, "That's Deagol!
i just wrote the same thing heh
*glances at the Ring, starts strangling observant LOTR viewers
0:38 Harvey Weinstein jumpscare
Every story needs a villain.
what's wrong with his face when will it stop looking like that
@@christofthedead Gothmog from Return of the king was said to be based on that POS´s face
Truly Horrifying...
Tony Kahn felt scared for his life.
I found this was so much fun at the time. I watched it at a friends place and I was floored about this unknown filmmaker. Kiwi pride surged but I realised it was a joke when they supposedly magnified a newspaper that claimed to show we had flown first. I knew you could not do this and then, getting the joke, I started laughing and told my friend, "Holy shit! This is a joke!" He could not and would not listen to what I was saying and when it was revealed (I think the next day) I called him and he was absolutely furious. I could not understand why at the time as I thought it was just brilliant. Years later, in trying to find a copy on DVD I met Costa Botes so I could buy a copy and he told me some real horror stories about how angry people were and the kind of threats they received. I salute them though. It was such a convincing gag and a great rug pull. Nice work lads.
i remember my a guy i work with telling me all about how this dude from new zealand actually invented color film and was totally lost to history. i told him the bad news is that forgotten silver was a spoof, but the good news is that the guy who made it was directing lord of the rings.
I saw Forgotten Silver on Turner Classic Movies, 5-6 yo. As I remember it was showing the same time slot reserved for ‘foreign’ imports and the summary guide description flagged it as something like ‘Peter Jackson’s documentary on early New Zealand filmmaker’
I’d watched so many documentaries on TCM that I didn’t immediately catch the joke although I did start to have my doubts because MacKinsey seemed to have done EVERYTHING. When Sam Neil showed up as a film expert instead of an actor, I stopped the film and re ran it, then I caught a bunch of arch jokes!
Loved it!
Kiwi here. I have no idea how I didn't know about this. Bloody hilarious!
A nice bit of history. Do watch the whole thing - it's quite entertaining even when you know about the joke. Lots of little Kiwi-isms in there.
Fooled me when it was aired in Australia in the late-'90s. I was studying performing arts and was into any kind of early film doco. Ray Martin pulled the plug at the end of the airing, so it must have been Channel 9.
Rude that they explained the joke - much more fun to see people go off believing it!
@@PentexProductions I also saw it on Australian TV but someway through I realised that it was fiction, not fact. It may have been the Richard Pearse bit that did it (I'd studied his story quite a bit beforehand) or maybe something else that just didn't ring true, but I do remember that my enjoyment level immediately increased after that point. A truly brilliant film. I have wanted to get a copy of it ever since. And when I found out how it had been received in Kiwiland my enjoyment level increased heaps.
@@PentexProductionsI think it’s silly to expect everyone to get it and to find it funny.
Some people are watching while taking care of kids, turn it on halfway through.. just put something at the end saying it was a farce.
Is it funny looking back? Yes. But there’s also no need to make everybody at the time look like they’re stoopid and unreasonable.
@@daveinpublic Most people are fooled by MSM on a daily basis yet I don't hear many complaints?
Omg, I had completely forgotten about this film. I was an extra in the battle scenes at the old museum. I also have the vague memory that we used the swords at the summer Shakespeare (Macbeth) later that year.
Fantastic!
this was in my film studies curriculum in the first year of uni. we had a screening, were so astonished we never heard of mackenzie. came back for a seminar a day or a couple later and only then we were informed this was a mockumentary. the professor said, "oh, brian [other prof] never informed you lot this was fake? typical brian" lmao. this was years ago, but man i feel better the whole nz was fooled lol. a shame our profs never told us the story of its release, it's really fascinating
The professor wanted to enjoy the joke! I love that it is still studied in film classes - it's such a great text not just as an example of a mockumentary, but it blends all sorts of different film styles and bits of history.
I have never heard of this before, thank you for making this rather lovely video!
Thank YOU for watching.
Great film. I helped Chris Coad, the photographer on the project, by doing darkroom work and making contact sheets. I had zero idea at the time what it was about, but pleased to have had a very small part assisting with a Peter Jackson film.
Peter Jackson dialed it to 11 on that one.
A friend and I camped outside the same cinema in the outskirts of Stockholm in December of 2001, 2002 and 2003 for première tickets to the LotR movies.
There was a lot of people there despite the winter cold, and it was extraordinarily well organised.
I believe it was the last evening and night before the The Two Towers’ tickets released that a large screen has been set up (with help from the cinema I expect) on which were shown most of the previous films by Peter Jackson.
I believe they were Bad Taste, Meet the Feebles, Braindead, and Forgotten Silver. Maybe The Frighteners too, I can’t remember. It was an amazing experience to sit and watch these movies surrounded by loads of lovable geeks (many of them wearing full LARP costumes). Sad to hear that FS isn’t widely known and has been difficult to get ahold of.
Never mind that the “remote controlled dog” was named Flatus!
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Thanks so much, what a fantastic comment to wake up to!
I've been a fan of Forgotten Silver for 20 years or so. I first heard of it back sometime around the release of Return of The King and managed to get copy of DVD on Ebay. It's stuck away in a box somewhere, I'll need to dig it out for a rewatch.
It's still just as entertaining - definitely worth a re-watch!
Great work Pentex and thank you educating me. I was out of the country then in Japan so I missed it all.
Better late than never!
Chur - thank you for sharing this. Love all your videos 🫡💚💚
Chur!
Great video essay. Thanks!
I discovered this in a used DVD shop back in the day, and have always liked it. But - being American - I'd never understood why it made New Zealand so angry. So thanks for this! I'd honestly be interested in more "Kiwi-splaining" videos along these lines.
For me, the most insidious thing about Forgotten Silver is how innocuous and believable the lies are, at first. Like hooking a bicycle up to a camera to power the crank - it makes perfect sense. Someone 100% could have done that, back in the day. Absolutely believable. So it hooks you in early on, and I think a lot of people never regained their credulity after that point. Even when the filmmakers are claiming they found an entire temple complex the size of a small city, which was lost in the NZ jungle and somehow no one noticed it for 80 years.
If you've ever been to that part of the country it is very believable that such a set could be lost, especially pre-internet. Its very remote and very difficult to access. Totally agree with your point about how it reels you in with the little lies and makes you question how plausible it all is. The little jokes give it away eventually!
@@PentexProductions But that is why it is so unbelievable. How could they support a Hollywood-style epic with all those people, all those costumes, all those elaborate sets, etc. out in the middle of nowhere.
@@cejannuzi Clever humour, right? It is feasible but only just. Just like famous studio movies that were a nightmare to produce and still got done... easier to walk away from and just leave to rot for maybe later discovery, a century later...
Lol, absolutely hilarious. It's a brilliant case study in how easily people will believe something that they want to be true.
Tell people what they want to hear and they'll love it.
@@PentexProductions Then tell them that their national mythology is, like all myths, just a story and they'll lose their minds.
Is it, though? "Truth" (versus fiction) is attached automatically to the genre of documentaries as that is what they have been established to tell. All Jackson did was subvert the good faith that audience's show towards the genre of the documentary; whether they believed it or not it had little to do with whether they WANTED to believe it or not but rather because it had been presented using a method univerally established to report on reality (like newspaper reporting).
Like how governments manipulate their citizens !???
I actually own this on DVD, it was in a collection with Braindead, Bad Taste and Meet The Feebles. Haven't seen it though, but maybe I'll fix that soon :D
That collection of DVDs is a pretty rare stash these days. Thank you for doing your bit to preserve these bits of Kiwi film history.
Wow, what a collection! Reminds me to give MTF a rewatch some day...
Thank you! This is much appreciated!
Thanks for this video! I feel so lucky that I learned about Forgotten Silver in one of my college classes and now it's one of my favorite Peter Jackson films.
The film works so well emotionally (I knew it was a lie from the get-go but I felt really bad for the Colin McKenzie character by the end of it) and I started to notice the jokes and humor more and more with every subsequent viewing.
Thanks again and keep up the great work!
Same here, I remember watching it in my university's AV library and enjoying it so much, despite already knowing the premise. A genuinely entertaining movie in its own right.
As a Kiwi, I was absolutely delighted at the prank. Absolute art! I'm tickled to be part-duped.
Give the whole thing a watch!
I remember buying this on DVD and watching it years ago when I was first checking out all of the pre-LOTR Jackson stuff and really enjoying it. Several years later while randomly watching the Documentary 'Candyman' on Netflix I saw the 'Directed by Costa Botes' come up in the opening credits and paused the documentary to check online if it was the same Costa Botes from Forgotten Silver and whether it was a real documentary or another mockumentary.
Good catch! Some of his other documentaries are also listed on the linked Vimeo page - all genuine as far as I know!
Candyman was indeed mine. I have made a whole series of genuine documentaries, nearly always about highly driven, passionate characters who flirt with failure. I regularly get asked how anyone can trust me after Forgotten Silver. Well, they can.
Cheers, Costa Botes.
The line I loved from Forgotten Silver was the "let me take you down the garden path" bit. LOLOLOL.
Next thing you will be telling me there are no vampires in Wellington.😮
Or werewolves (not swearwolves).
I distinctly remember when Borat came out, I kept telling my friends that Peter Jackson had already done this kind of movie over a decade earlier. Sadly, not one person knew what I was talking about. Thank you for this video!
Great video!
An excellent treatment of this subject - thank you! I was watching at the time of broadcast and it was thrilling. It didn't take long for queries though. Then a scene that sealed the fake for sure. A classic shot that anyone used to CSI type content would recognise. As a darkroom tech I knew what was feasible and what was fun. Thank you for the link to purchase, I've wanted a copy for a while.
Something akin to the famous War of the Worlds radio broadcast...
When watching this on it's TV debut my flatmates and I bought into it for about the first half but figured it was a mockumentary as they kept making the claims bigger and bigger. Was amazed that anyone took it seriously. It's a great laugh.
As a fan of early Jackson films (Meet the Feebles in particular), I have no idea how I didn't know about this movie. I imagine I'd have to have seen the title before, at least, but perhaps passed over it by seeing it categorized as a for-TV documentary (as said in the video, seems to kind of be a footnote in his career). I blame myself for not looking into it a bit more, of course, but dang. Crazy, though, to get another new pre-LotR Jackson film I'd never heard of, after being a fan of his for over 20 years now (since, as a teenage fan of LotR I first sat down in theaters to see Fellowship).
Anyway, this video popped up in my recommendations the other day, and so I immediately went and watched Forgotten Silver, and now have come back to this video. Great video about a really great little mockumentary. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it. As I say at the end, it deserves to be remembered as more than a footnote in his filmography! It is often skipped over by people for exactly the reasons you said, which is a shame because it's so entertaining.
Thomas Robbins plays Deagol!!!
Despite seeing a clip from it on nzonscreen 20+ years later I still fell for it even though I literally said "That's a model" when the plane flew past, I still thought it was real and when I googled it I was disappointed, but I look forward to watching the whole thing. I briefly mentioned this and Ghostwatch (1992) (which wasn't intended to be funny but also fooled people), in an essay for uni last year.
The whole thing is well worth a watch - it's very entertaining, and there is a lot of subtle humour in there that's all the more obvious when you know about the joke.
In the film clip of "Richard Pearce", isn't that Taika Whatiti as the pilot?
that's what I thought. it does look like him. But it isn’t I found the credits
@@denalinorsen6180 agreed
This was before my time but so good :P
I WAS THERE, GANDALF... 6,000 YEARS AGO...
I did think Thomas Robbins did look extremely like the guy and assumed they were interviewing his ancestor 😂
I had to study collins work in film school. Guy truly is and underrated forgotten legend.
I remember it. It took a long time through the movie to realize it was a mockumentary. They made quite a few back then. I remember one where Donald Rumsfeld, of all people, cooperated with.
Great video, really enjoyed that! I'd no idea about this story, so really enjoyed hearing about it! I love how hoaxes like these were possible in more innocent times, much harder to pull off today with realtime social media feedback. We had a terrifying 'live' ghostbusting special one halloween on the BBC called Ghostwatch which I saw in person and was fooled until it became too ridiculous at the very end, but it was quite a moment of TV history. You may enjoy finding out about it. Inside No.9 did something similar much more recently, which even had one of the actors live tweeting.
Thanks, glad you liked it. Ghostwatch was a a classic - maybe I should do a follow up video about it at some stage!
[SPOILERS] I watched this when it aired (late teens, home alone, stoned) and was initially elated by the revelations, especially the "evidence" of Richard Pearse's (conveniently dateable) flight and the rediscovery of the lost set of MacKenzie's epic. However, a few little details nagged at me, and when we were told that American gangsters got involved in funding the epic (or something like that, I don't remember the exact details) I started to doubt the veracity of the "documentary". When at the end we find that MacKenzie's death was recorded on film, then I was sure that this was a hoax - maybe it was because I was stoned, but I thought the whole thing was superb and the subsequent uproar amused me no end. So it's certainly not true that the entire country was fooled ;) And you gotta love how Jackson starts the mockumentary by literally leading the audience down the garden path of his elderly neighbour's home :)
One of my favourite things about it is the fact that it is such an entertaining film even without knowing about the public reception to it.
Thanks for drawing attention to this! How about covering his other early films? Also interesting and not widely known- not sure about the horror types ones but Heavenly Creatures and the one with Michael J Fox The Frighteners were ahead of their time (the second getting into mixed genres way before it was cool)
I saw this film on Sundance Channel when I was a teenager. I had no context going in. By about half an hour in, it was pretty clear it was a mockumentary.
If you're paying attention it's easy to spot the bits of humour creeping in, but I can absolutely see how if it was playing in the background on TV one night how you could be taken in by it.
@@PentexProductions It was a different context to watch it in. Sundance does show some documentaries, but not usually ones in that kind of PBS sort of style. Also, I'm not from New Zealand and had no vested interest other than being a film fan and a lover of history.
Hello and thank you my friend.
I remember watching this, and the stink about it when I was at high school in New Zealand in 1995. Was awesome.
...you're telling me spaghetti _doesn't_ grow on trees?
I have a bridge for sale if you're interested?
That's crazy, I was just thinking about this day before yesterday, for the first time in a long time.
I didn't see this when it aired, so knew it was a hoax when we watched it the next day in my highschool film class. I don't know if I would have been fooled, though feel like I might have twigged at the point of the tractor powered film camera..
We just thought it was hilarious and well done. I remember there was some amount of anger at it, but didn't realise at the time it was to that level. The Good Keen Man character is pretty integral to the national identity I guess.
Think I'll watch it again.
I fell for it for a second, but since my best childhood friend played the film maker I caught on very quickly.
I wonder if very many people thought Spinal Tap was real when it first came out.
Well, I know what I'm screening next time I host a movie night.
Mate, this is just brilliant and if it was done in Oz, it probably would have turned into a national classic.
Thanks for sharing this!
I remember watching this with my mum, and us both being fooled by it. It was the 6th and final week of a series of New Zealand films - except rather than being a documentary to cap the series (which is what was inferred) it was just another fictional NZ film.
In retrospect, I find the consequent triggering of the fragile New Zealand ego pretty amusing.
I got sucked in badly with that movie but came out the other end going... Well done... You got me. It was great story but it got more ludicrous as it went on but I wanted to believe.. We all wanted to believe...
Taika Watiti as Richard Pierce
Richard Taylor, another film maker.
Your pronunciation of Leonard Maltin’s last name hurts my ears… but by the runtimes end this wonderful video gave me tears.
I blame the New Zealand accent for both.
I watched this back in the day, knowing full well that it was completely fictitious (friends were fans of Bad Taste, Feebles, Heavenly Creatures) and even still, I found myself partway through this thinking to myself "This is amazing... how HAVE we never heard of this before?!?!" then I fully realized how good of a storyteller Jackson is. :D
It is surprisingly easy to get wrapped up in the story, it's so well told.
I've loved Peter Jackson since the late 1980s when I happened upon his two first films in a video store. They actually made me consider the idea of moving to New Zealand. I'd never heard of this film, but I have to say, "Bravo!" Will definitely be giving this watch.
I had seen most of Peter Jackson's films in the 90s and I loved them all. Forgotten Silver (a mockumentary about the greatest filmmaker who never was), Dead Alive (low budget gross out horror comedy), Meet the Feebles (muppet-like characters who all have problems with drugs, sex, or both), and Heavenly Creatures (the 2nd most popular lesbian murder movie of 1994).
When I heard he was doing Lord of the Rings, I was... surprised. When I saw the film, you could really see all the pieces and styles he had learned coming together. But I didn't have the vision to get it before seeing the film in theaters.
Jackson probably has the wildest filmography of any director working today.
What was the first most popular lesbian murder movie of 1994?
@@christheghostwriter My mistake. Basic Instinct was 1992. Fun was in 1994, but it is much less known than Heavenly Creatures. Early 90s was quite a time for lesbian murder movies.
@@Sam_on_RUclips no worries, I just thought there might be a lesbian murder movie I haven't seen 😂
@@christheghostwriter If you haven't seen Fun by Kenneth Lonergan, you should watch it. Great little indie film.
I did not know this picture had such a negative impact on the New Zealand viewers.
And did not know either it was so difficult to buy a copy today. I am so glad I still have a DVD of it, a birthday present.
In fact, I am going to rewatch it, this review is compelling me to do so. 🙂
Criminally undersubcribed channel, love your stuff Pentex.
Love comments like this!
In the context of filmmaking and film genres, film is an illusion.
The irony of Peter Jackson discovering this movie in the same way Tolkien discovered The Lord of The Rings.
I saw this film on Aussie tv. Really enjoyed it and have wanted to see it again. The story was so good and the whole thing was well made.
Ok. Now I need to know more about the show with the remote controlled dog. :P
Anyone uploaded full episodes for global audiences? If so, where?
See the sources section of the description
Guess they should've included something in the credits but I think even War Of The Worlds when originally broadcast on radio with a disclaimer received backlash,
Botes was keen to reveal the ruse in the credits but Jackson disagreed. I'm not sure how many people would have read the credits in enough detail to notice - and as with WOTW, I suspect many people would still be fooled even with the joke revealed!
CBS didn't want Welles to do the disclaimer because the panic was ensuing and they were concerned that if Welles stated on air that it was a Halloween prank it would make them liable. He got into a heated argument with the network during the short break-unaware of what was going on outside-before running back into the studio to continue the program, and then read it anyway.
Nothing compares to Orson Welles' 1938 Halloween radio broadcast of War of the worlds hoax.
One Film to rule them all, One film to find them; One film to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.
This is Peter Jackson's visual version of the radio show H G Well's "War of the Worlds" that was broadcast in America and millions of Septics fell for it!
They hated it so much we never heard about it. Just that New Zealand hated Peter Jackson. We never knew why(!).
This is great 😂 kinda upset I didn't find out about this before to make a video on it first!
After some time watching the video, I had to keep a part of myself ready for it to end like "And all the things in this video are actually fake, none of this is real"
I wish I could make something this good!
Yep. I watched this on Sunday Playhouse aaand i was taken in. The next day at work a brighter man than I disillusioned me over coffee. I suspect a situation repeated in break rooms across the nation that day.
I was in early HS years here in NZ when this dropped. But because I didn't watch movies or tv movies as a teen. I never actually saw this or maybe I don't even remember it. I was in hospital for an infection that year, but the name of the protagonist definitely made me go "Why does that name sound familiar?" XDDD I do remember the radio controlled dog bit on country calendar though no sure why though because I never watched that show either. It's about as iconic as the blooper show with the clip of thingie's eye falling out.
I love this movie and luckily have it on DVD. I knew it was a mockumentary before I watched it, yet I had to continually remind myself of the fact. It is a brilliant movie.
12:41 to be honest the same could be said about the Wright brothers, they didn't go over any meaningful distance. It's a bit of an odd one because people did fly before them but it was considered not far enough and that is why the Wright Brothers are claimed to be the first. However it is pretty much universally agreed that the distance they flew was very short, contradicting why they were chosen. It even needed a catapult tyoe system to get in the air, if I told you the first aircraft couldn't actually get off the ground on it's own power, I don't think people would call that an aircraft it took until 1907 for it to be non catapult driven which by that time Traian Vuia from Romania had already built and tested the first ever heavier-than-air machine could take off by it's own power you now what a plane is meant to be (it is officially classed as that which is beyond bizarre, they have to force the wright brothers to be first when it makes zero sense).
Watched it in my teens when it aired, and remember saying "hang on, why's there no dirt or moss on the pillar in the ruins of that set?" when they discovered the Salome location....
At some point in my college years, me and a bunch of friends watched one rainy weekend. Only one knew the joke. I remember believing at first, but by the end of the movie having doubts. Overall our group was mixed. The guy who knew finally admitted after the credits and there was shock from some. After dinner and a beer run, we watched all over again that evening just to look for clues. It’s a faded, fun memory. 😊
This shows an interesting psychological connection between Peter Jackson and J. R. R. Tolkien. Both created vast fictions presentied as genuine early histories (of film, and of the world.)
this video was so good. hell, if forgotten silver is half as good, i might watch it
This reminds me of Jára Cimrman, a Czech satirical figure invented by theatre writers. A brilliant and mysterious scientist, inventor, writer and philosopher who made most of the inventions of late 19th century (dynamite, telephone, lightbulb), but came just a bit too late to the patent office and never received his fame and glory. He also reflects a lot of our national traits (admiration for underdogs, unfulfilled potential), but unlike Mackenzie, he's widely accepted as a national icon, probably because the public was in on the joke from the start.
19:15
"Duration: 55 minutes"
Petenx: "Its just over an hour long"
Ya cheeky bastard, won't fool me!
Yeah I meant to say under, that's on me.
great vid. thanx
Reminds me of a "documentary" that was made about m. night shyamalan in conjunction with the release of The Village. A mixture of fiction with just enough fact to make you wonder. It was aired only once on the Scifi Channel with no hint that it was a fake prior to airing. Actually one of his better efforts.
It wasn't the first time Peter made a mockumentary. The King Kong Skull Island skit on the DVD's is such an example, the way they all managed to keep a straight face throughout the entire segment... 😂
Funnily enough I never got to watch Forgotten Silver back in the day.
I saw a trailer a while back for packaged human meat on day time tv didn't even know it was supposed to be a parody I just accepted it........I think it was for Gregg Wallace the miracle meat...
I remember watching this when it aired in Australia. I can't remember for sure but I think it was aired on April Fool's Day, possibly a year later because after it aired, there was a documentary about the making of it and how it fooled New Zealand and went through all the things that gave it away as fake (like someone wearing a digital watch, etc). I loved it and every April Fool's Day since has been disappointing because no-one has gone to that level to trick people since. It was brilliant and so well done. I actually didn't remember that it was Peter Jackson that did this.
This is hilarious, but had I been shown the mockumentary today I wouldn't have fallen for it, because I recognized Deagol immediately. Now, a few years before LOTR? Damn right I would have been fooled 😂
Reminds me of the great forgotten Czech genius Jára Cimrman!
When I first watched The Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring documentaries on The Extended Edition DVD in 2003, Forgotten Silver was mentioned by Peter Jackson when he talked about how he contacted Alan Lee, so during 2004 when I was in a DVD store and saw a copy of Forgotten Silver, I didn't hesitate to buy it, as I was curious of to know what it was. Even if I knew the thing was fake (as the DVD box clearly says it) I was intrigued by it and thought it was really well-made despite it being a hoax. I still have that DVD and have been watching it, though it's been a couple of years since I touched it, it won't be the last time I watch it. I hope movie reactors will watch it cuz it would be interesting to see their reaction on this mocumentary.
We could probably air that on NZ TV today and people would definitely believe the lie, again...
Great video, always got to have NZ people thinking they did the first thing ever because "of course we did", 10/10
I noticed the actor from Return of the King right away.
I see Forgotten Silver is available on YT. 52 min long.