GLADIATOR Wasn't Built in a Day

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  • Опубликовано: 24 дек 2024

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  • @PentexProductions
    @PentexProductions  Месяц назад +21

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  • @QuantumHistorian
    @QuantumHistorian Месяц назад +102

    I heard Nick Cage rather than Nick Cave in the intro and, honestly, I think he would have written an equally wild screen play.

    • @PentexProductions
      @PentexProductions  Месяц назад +15

      Better stil if Nick Cage plays every single character. Including the rhino.

  • @Raiders1917
    @Raiders1917 Месяц назад +5

    Gladiator is one of those movie that never needed a follow up.

  • @QuantumHistorian
    @QuantumHistorian Месяц назад +67

    Good essay, but calling Gladiator _"firmly rooted in history"_ twice is a bit of a joke. It's famous with history buffs for just how much it gets wrong: both in big picture History and in the little details of history. And I'm not just talking about the man walking around in jeans in the battle scene, or Aurelius wanting to bring back the republic, or the big piazza outside the Colosseum that could fit an army, or the cavalry charging through a forest into burning arrows. Not that it's particularly worse than most of Hollywood, just that the bar for historical accuracy is very, very low (how important that is is a whole other debate).

    • @JulianSildenLanglo
      @JulianSildenLanglo Месяц назад +9

      I think he's using the Australian meaning of rooted in honour of Russel Crowe.

    • @EMMYK1916
      @EMMYK1916 Месяц назад

      A root in Australian slang is a totally different thing mate!​@JulianSildenLanglo

    • @PentexProductions
      @PentexProductions  Месяц назад +7

      @QuantumHistorian Yeah fair, that was more about it not delving into the supernatural and magic etc, as opposed to it being 'historically accurate.' Franzoni's first draft was in fact entirely about historical figures, but they changed Maximus to be fictional to make it explicitly clear that this wasn't trying to tell a story of history, even though the likes of Aurelius do crop up in it.

    • @PentexProductions
      @PentexProductions  Месяц назад +3

      @JulianSildenLanglo They sure rooted the history up big time!

    • @QuantumHistorian
      @QuantumHistorian Месяц назад +3

      @@PentexProductions Yeah, that's a fair distinction to make. The Gladiator we got was a fictional story told in a broadly historically accurate Roman Empire. Or, at least, looks historically accurate to the casual viewer. That's different to a fantasy with mythological or other supernatural elements.
      I wont ask about Aussie slang, because that *is* dark magic that respectable English speakers fear to trend into ;)

  • @gloryliberty
    @gloryliberty Месяц назад +6

    When you say that there were dozen of eyes on the screenplay, you’re not wrong!
    I was a film major for a year at a state university in Washington State, and when I had my first meeting with the head of the department and he was talking about the screenwriting track, he mentioned that he was given a pass at the Gladiator script and said offhand that the third act was one of the messiest things he had ever worked on.
    Consider my mind blown. 🤯

  • @paulcashion8049
    @paulcashion8049 Месяц назад +4

    I have a deep passion for ancient Rome, and the real history and values of that era. That said, Gladiator II isn’t a documentary designed to educate. While I’ve watched reviews and am aware of many of the historical inaccuracies, I’m not overly bothered by them.
    I admit I’m a little disappointed that we didn’t get a more historically accurate portrayal of Caracalla, as he was such a fascinating figure, but I still plan to watch the movie. The casting doesn’t bother me either, especially since it features modern greats like Denzel Washington. I’m actually looking forward to it.
    As someone who genuinely enjoys reading ancient histories and studying this era, I don’t mind the creative liberties and think the movie has the potential to be enjoyable.

  • @PASTRAMIKick
    @PASTRAMIKick Месяц назад +3

    Saving Private Ryan used high shutter speed, and Gladiator used low shutter speed for longer exposure, also they play around with the FPS to get their respective desired motion blur and other effects

  • @ichabodnoodle9595
    @ichabodnoodle9595 Месяц назад +13

    Nick Cave can write a great screenplay - the Proposition is a very good film. Underrated.

    • @PaulHFleming
      @PaulHFleming 26 дней назад

      Nick Cave is also name of Artist from Chicago known for wearable artwork called Cave suits...

  • @slayr698
    @slayr698 Месяц назад +32

    2:20 calling russel crowe an Australian as a kiwi should be seen as great shade, also agree

    • @relwaretep
      @relwaretep Месяц назад +1

      Not calling him Rusty is unAustralian!!

    • @PentexProductions
      @PentexProductions  Месяц назад +4

      I think most of us Kiwis agree that the Aussies can keep Russell Crowe.

  • @dave1994jones
    @dave1994jones Месяц назад +3

    "I don't want to go see a movie about someone who wants to kill somebody" guess he didn't see John Wick then

  • @azeemtravadi6128
    @azeemtravadi6128 Месяц назад +12

    "... in November 2018"
    Ah ok which brings us to now
    "But that was 6 years ago!"
    :< crumbles into dust

  • @AlSumait
    @AlSumait Месяц назад +2

    8:25 I like how he casually says Dumbledore and moves on with the video. 🤣

  • @24FramesALife24
    @24FramesALife24 Месяц назад +20

    The 1st Gladiator is so good, it's hard to believe that it's a movie that came out in 2000, the visual effects, production design, the epic storytelling, all of it so top notch. Doesn't feel like a 24 year old movie. Eagerly waiting for Gladiator 2, specially Denzel's role in it.

    • @elliotstone5585
      @elliotstone5585 Месяц назад +1

      Seen it, don't bother

    • @24FramesALife24
      @24FramesALife24 Месяц назад

      @@elliotstone5585 Huh, Gladiator 2 is not a good movie? Damn, i was actually excited to see the film.

    • @xb1uee882
      @xb1uee882 Месяц назад +1

      ​@@24FramesALife24everything you praised in the first, is missing in this one, but give it a try if you catch a discount or something, don't know how much a ticket costs where you are, but it doesn't matter, full price is not worth it

    • @24FramesALife24
      @24FramesALife24 Месяц назад

      @@xb1uee882 So, it turned out a movie that didn't matched its hype?

    • @TheKrazyKajeevieShow
      @TheKrazyKajeevieShow Месяц назад +1

      You'll be very disappointed as it's absolute crap.

  • @PauLtus_B
    @PauLtus_B Месяц назад +6

    I'm pretty excited for this.
    I like Gladiator, I like a lot of the actors and I feel I'm more positive on Scott's most recent output than most.

  • @TheBeird
    @TheBeird Месяц назад +6

    I’d loved to have seen Nick Cave’s Gladiator sequel. Would have been nuts. We need more nuts.

  • @LucasBenderChannel
    @LucasBenderChannel Месяц назад +7

    I've commented it many times before but I'm so glad you're making these videos. Top notch, really. I love the optimistic approach and how straight to the point they are. Love your stuff.
    As for Gladiator... man I need to finally watch it, don't I? 😉😅😅 An embarassingly big hole in my watchlist.

    • @PentexProductions
      @PentexProductions  Месяц назад

      Thanks for watching, and sorry for spoiling the movie for you! But yeah, give it a watch. If nothing else, Hans Zimmer's score rules and is definitely not a first draft of the Pirates of the Caribbean theme.

  • @KINGD1991
    @KINGD1991 Месяц назад +39

    Given the recent flops of this former brilliant director, I'm certain this sequel doesn't stand a chance.

    • @QuantumHistorian
      @QuantumHistorian Месяц назад +5

      A chance at what? Being an all time great classic? No, probably not. Being a decent sword-and-sandal action film? Probably yes. The Martian was pretty good and The Last Duel was passable. My expectations are that it'll be moderately good - which is already enough to place it in the top 20% of releases.

    • @iamaheretic7829
      @iamaheretic7829 Месяц назад +2

      Even if it is a 1/5th as good as the original it would still be the 2nd greatest roman movie of the century

    • @gredangeo
      @gredangeo Месяц назад +3

      @@QuantumHistorian Sequels made 20+ years after the first, are certainly a rare breed of success. Odds are stacked against this film. Even a Good film, will still be perceived as merely decent. Which is kinda what I'm hoping for. I simply don't want it to suck. Given how much money is poured into a typical film in the first place. Achieving that bar should be a no-brainer.
      A simple continuation of a story, that flows well, great production, is all I'm asking for. Not an epic to break records.
      Please not be Matrix 4. Matrix 3 is a decent continuation that worked, (for context).

    • @mclab001
      @mclab001 Месяц назад

      @@QuantumHistorian why have our collective expectation levels and standards dived in recent years. We shouldnt be happy with moderately good. We should be having films that are great! and expect nothing less. Raise your bar guys. Dont settle for meh.

    • @QuantumHistorian
      @QuantumHistorian Месяц назад +2

      ​@@mclab001 Can't speak for everyone, but my expectations vary. I expected greatness from Dune (both parts) and got it. I expected nonsense from Rings of Power S2, and laughed when I indeed got just that. I expect okay-ness from a Ridley Scott Sequel. If I expected worse, I wouldn't even bother watching it. But as long as watching it is worth my time and money, then I see it existing as a positive. Maybe not as much of a positive as it might have been, but still better than if it didn't exist.
      This has always been the case. There's never been a time when all films were great. That's actually impossible because we judge media relative to what else is out there (past and present) and it can't all be simultaneously outstanding. The general rule is that 80% of everything (films, music, games, books, coffee, wine, etc...) is going to be meh or worse, 80% of what's left genuinely good, and only the tiny sliver that remains truly great. This has always been the case, it's just a selective memory bias that we remember the greats like Ben-Hur, but not the 32 mediocre westerns that came out that year (yes, I did google it, it was that many according to wikipedia).
      Maybe you expect every meal you have in your life to be the best one you've ever had. Every holiday to be more beautiful and mind opening than the previous one. Every night's sleep to be the most refreshing yet. Maybe I'm a pessimist for not setting my expectations sky high every time. But it means I'm not constantly disappointed, and can take a small amount of joy from things even if they fall short of greatness.

  • @AvatarPodcastOfficial
    @AvatarPodcastOfficial Месяц назад +2

    Excellent work as always mate

  • @jaspervanheycop9722
    @jaspervanheycop9722 Месяц назад +3

    I'm ride or die for Ridley Scott, even when he makes stupid shlock, it's still really good stupid shlock (I'm thinking of House of Gucci here f.e. or even Napoleon, though I personally just really unironically love that one). His films are always worth looking at from a craftsmanship perspective, he's really just always giving it his all, all the time, real angry anime grandpa energy.

  • @imemovengeance
    @imemovengeance Месяц назад +6

    1 of the top 5 movies ever filmed

  • @WhyDaRumGone
    @WhyDaRumGone Месяц назад +6

    The Nick Cave script sounds awesome

  • @willunderdown
    @willunderdown 20 дней назад +1

    Russel Crowe is from New Zealand, not Australia

  • @benabaxter
    @benabaxter Месяц назад +2

    I appreciate that you're doing these videos. It takes work to write, narrate, and edit it all together. But what parts of the Gladiator 1 section aren't just your branded summary of the special features? The awards? Some of the context or sourcing?
    The strongest sections of this video and every video you make are your research and your authorial voice. In a way I appreciate the use of special features and behind-the-scenes interviews, but more for archival purposes than anything. I encourage you to keep to the added value. It's what sets you apart!

    • @PentexProductions
      @PentexProductions  Месяц назад +1

      Fair comment - the purpose of this video was more to tell the story of Gladiator's production, rather than delve too deeply into the film analysis, but I see where you're coming from.

    • @benabaxter
      @benabaxter Месяц назад

      @@PentexProductions all in love, my man. I'd watch your channel either way. It just seems like it could turn into a creative rut.

  • @thecornerkid402
    @thecornerkid402 Месяц назад +6

    This sounds a lot like shooting Jaws.

  • @haydenlane9600
    @haydenlane9600 Месяц назад +4

    17:06 PREACH!!!

  • @RprinceV
    @RprinceV Месяц назад

    honestly those medieval epics that followed were bangers, 300, king arthur, alexander, kingdom of heaven, troy...

  • @relwaretep
    @relwaretep Месяц назад +1

    Another fabulous essay. Thanks mate!

  • @ryanhamstra49
    @ryanhamstra49 Месяц назад +5

    What I’ve noticed with Scott is he either makes 9/10 movies or 3/10 movies….. they never seem to be mediocre, either amazing or garbage. I’m really hoping this is close to as good as the original.

  • @JulianSildenLanglo
    @JulianSildenLanglo Месяц назад +4

    22:35 isn't Maximus, a.k.a. the Spaniard, from Spain?

  • @George_M_
    @George_M_ Месяц назад +6

    It's a shame Scott hasn't been good in two decades. Man he used to be so good. Honestly "Christkiller" sounds like good schlocky fun.

    • @ryanhamstra49
      @ryanhamstra49 Месяц назад

      The Martian was amazing. But yeah, he’s been pretty meh since Blackhawk down.

  • @williamberven-ph5ig
    @williamberven-ph5ig 28 дней назад

    Saw G2 last night. Pleasantly surprised. Good history? No entertaining? Yes!

  • @smithryansmith
    @smithryansmith Месяц назад

    Its a good thing they didnt try to make Nick Caves script because it is almost an exact copy of a book series by Barry Sadler called "Casca the eternal mercenary." In that series, a Roma Centurion, Longinus, kills Christ and is cursed to live as a warrior throughout history up to the Vietnam war and modern times.
    Im sure Sadler's estate would have sued the hell out of them. I mean the only slight change Cave made was replacing Longinus with Maximus. 18:20.

  • @AvidZKTJo
    @AvidZKTJo Месяц назад

    10:46 I'm happy to say I'm one of those 50% of women who love the Gladiator movie! ❤😊❤

  • @ryantogioka7836
    @ryantogioka7836 14 дней назад

    Fun fact about the Mannix book (Those Who Are About To Die aka The Way of the Gladiator) - it has a very weird fixation on zoophilia.
    I’m not kidding. From page 1, there is mention of Ancient Roman donkey shows, and it just keeps piling up from there. It doesn’t help that the central character you follow throughout the book is a bestiarius (animal trainer) and that a regular part of his job is to train wild animals to…uh…do the deed to women.
    Historians have contested that Mannix made up a lot of this part of the book up for the sake of sensationalization. All I know is that I got the distinct impression that Mannix was super fixated on bestiality.

  • @ZombieMurdoc
    @ZombieMurdoc 21 день назад

    There are only 2 dances in the year 2000; the robot and the robo-boogie

  • @jimgill19770
    @jimgill19770 Месяц назад

    My mate has the prop of the severed head from the opening scene. He found it in a skip on site

  • @cheekster777
    @cheekster777 Месяц назад +1

    Looking forward to watching Gladiator II in IMAX with Laser GT.
    Thank you.

  • @i20010
    @i20010 Месяц назад

    What we do in life, echoes in eternity! One of the best movies ever made.

  • @mclab001
    @mclab001 Месяц назад +2

    Unfortunately, i was so burned by Napoleon and my dissapointment for that, my expectations for Gladiator 2 are on the rocks. I really hope its good. but a dude riding a rhino makes me worry.....

  • @SandraOrtmann1976
    @SandraOrtmann1976 Месяц назад

    I think there might be a good chance that an American of Italian origins fought in the one or other American war. Still, that original idea for a Gladiator II sounds like a bit of a wild idea. TBH, the original Gladiator was perfect as it was. Some movies just should be left alone IMO.

  • @eszterbalogh5252
    @eszterbalogh5252 Месяц назад

    Actually Nick Cave wrote a screenplay The film Proposition.

  • @lucyj8204
    @lucyj8204 Месяц назад

    "but with a different Australian" - lollll

  • @smpdevelopments
    @smpdevelopments Месяц назад

    I'm not holding out much hope for this sequel but we'll see

  • @Thephotosnatcher_
    @Thephotosnatcher_ Месяц назад

    the whole gladiator 2 movie felt like a cheap CGI Netflix production

  • @PaulHFleming
    @PaulHFleming 26 дней назад

    Russell Crowe couldn't be in sequel because Maximus is very Deadimus at the end of Galidator 😂😂😂

  • @PabloRichardFernandez
    @PabloRichardFernandez Месяц назад

    Maybe I’m missing something. Yes, Maximus is a Roman general but he’s not Italian. His background is Iberian. I mean, they call him Spaniard for three quarters of the film, for crying out loud. Doesn’t get much more on the nose than that.

  • @arghjayem
    @arghjayem Месяц назад +1

    25:59 I can appreciate your excitement but there are two things holding be back from your level of hype….1. Prometheus. I love Alien but Prometheus sucked. Sure the design work was great (I actually worked on the production) but aside from that the film was a mess! And b) the title: Gladiator II. Terrible. Just Terrible. Sounds like a dodgy straight to video sequel you’d get in the eighties. 🤷

    • @arrgghh1555
      @arrgghh1555 Месяц назад

      Ahhh yes those terrible dodgy movies like The godfather II, Terminator II, Rocky II, Lethal Weapon 2, Back to the Future part II, The Karate Kid Part II... What a terrible time to be alive.

  • @alexrodriguez6373
    @alexrodriguez6373 Месяц назад

    19:08 I think I would’ve took that then gladiator 2

  • @jakemoore4080
    @jakemoore4080 Месяц назад

    I’ll save you having to make a second follow up video… Gladiator 2 was **** 😤😤😤

  • @RprinceV
    @RprinceV Месяц назад

    "The call him the spaniard" so i reckon he is spanish, still roman, because rome controlled all of that, but he would be spanish not italian,

  • @daveiba3953
    @daveiba3953 Месяц назад

    Writer doesn’t want to go see a movie about someone who wants to kill somebody [ or action movie men most likely prefer ] he wants to see a movie about somebody who loves somebody known as chick flick

  • @SAMUELSKUWAR
    @SAMUELSKUWAR Месяц назад

    So God of War: Maximus? Sony, please take notes.

  • @jaredmerson8649
    @jaredmerson8649 Месяц назад

    50% of it’s audience was women! That’s crazy I was 10 when this came out and I’ve never been able to get any of my female partners to watch this amazing film. Times have definitely changed

  • @arrgghh1555
    @arrgghh1555 Месяц назад

    25:05 I hope this is some spoof mock up and not actually in the movie because that looks atrocious.

  • @NexoBowi
    @NexoBowi Месяц назад

    Spoilers for a movie a ton of people have seen 😂

  • @IMeanMachine101
    @IMeanMachine101 Месяц назад +3

    Gladiator 2 sucks acting is awful story if meh and music is shocking compared to gladiator 1

  • @TheKrazyKajeevieShow
    @TheKrazyKajeevieShow Месяц назад +1

    Sadly Gladiator 2 is total rushed nonsensical dull crap. Avoid it.

  • @Richard-y5u
    @Richard-y5u Месяц назад +2

    Just watched glad II, wish I hadn’t, depressing awful, lead actor a total beta male, crap movie. Ridley needs to retire.

  • @olivercoulter260
    @olivercoulter260 Месяц назад

    Time for Ridley to by eaten to death by cgi baboon men in the Colosseum. It’s over.

  • @eszterbalogh5252
    @eszterbalogh5252 Месяц назад +1

    I'm just disappointed that once again hollywood still chooses the same timelines from history. Like I want to see a proper series about Justinian, not this.

  • @christianellegaard7120
    @christianellegaard7120 Месяц назад +1

    I find, referring to Richard Harris as Dumbledore deeply disrespectful.
    While he was great in Harry Potter, it was hardly a career defining role.

  • @badwrongbadong
    @badwrongbadong Месяц назад

    “If anyone Can create a great sequal Its ridley Scott”
    - hmm yeah.. no. Taking the insane life events of Napoleon and turning out a weak, infactorial mess is beyond bad performance.

  • @abcamylou
    @abcamylou Месяц назад

    That's cuz he immigrated to America

  • @moon_twin
    @moon_twin Месяц назад

    Great video across the board. I don't mean to detract from that at all. But it's worth emphasizing that spoiler warnings are always worth taking seriously. If there are people born everyday then there's a good chance someone's watching Star Wars for the first time tomorrow. Maybe those people just found your channel with this video. Let's give them the best chance of enjoying stories properly.

  • @royfr8136
    @royfr8136 Месяц назад

    The father - son connection was a bad idea - a lame attempt to make you feel something for the main character in this - but it just takes away from the original film. - He had a love and loyalty to his wife a child but was banging the emperor's daughter around the same time.... ? Why couldn't Maximus be admired and respected for simply being a man?.... That's because men have no value unless they provide something like fatherhood...

    • @garrethboland
      @garrethboland 28 дней назад +1

      Making Lucius Maximus' son is so boring and completely unnecessary. Maximus also had never even been to Rome in his entire life, but was doing the Emperor's daughter every once in a while? Lucius looked up to Maximus like he was Michael Jordan, which makes sense..... But Maximum is his dad? So stupid.

    • @royfr8136
      @royfr8136 28 дней назад +1

      @@garrethboland Yeah, agreed. For me this was the main reason why anyone should dislike the film. It was unnecessary as why can't he just look up to a great man - he didn't need to be his father. A terrible and unnecessary decision in my opinion.

    • @garrethboland
      @garrethboland 28 дней назад +1

      @@royfr8136 Exactly. I also disliked how many times the sequel had to remind us of the original; all the rehashed quotes; the line Maximus said to his troops is now etched into stone above his armor and sword? What? Why? Who on that battlefield in Germany made sure that that ONE thing Maximus said needed to be carved into a wall somewhere in Rome? It makes the world feel so much smaller.

  • @TheKrazyKajeevieShow
    @TheKrazyKajeevieShow Месяц назад

    Those references re Maximus belief in God's are based on false mythological beliefs, not Biblical truths or reality, hence it would not of worked.

  • @QuestionMan
    @QuestionMan Месяц назад +1

    Young men, however, do not need access to positive role models at the price of being bathed in exposure to graphic, horrific brutality. Why can there not be a third option?

    • @embracethenoise
      @embracethenoise Месяц назад +2

      Clearly that's down to the choices of those same young men. Access to a wide range of good stories matters, and there's plenty of room for all of them.

    • @GetSmartish
      @GetSmartish Месяц назад

      @@embracethenoise I suppose I did make an assumption. My assumption was that the term "young men" did not refer to mature adults whose personalities are congealed enough to contextualize their choices, but rather to impressionable children young enough for a male role model to still have a positive influence on who they become and how they view masculinity. For clarity, I'm not criticizing the choice in Gladiator, because even graphic, brutal films should absolutely have strong, positive male characters. I was lamenting that to function as role models for youth, this film does little to that end, and I wish having a character like Maximus was more widespread.

    • @embracethenoise
      @embracethenoise Месяц назад

      @GetSmartish I really appreciate your clarification, and I agree wholeheartedly. It's too common that movies, especially, focus on the spectacle and forget about the heart and soul of well developed characters and timeless stories.

  • @GetKingShorty
    @GetKingShorty Месяц назад

    One of the opening scenes was of a girl boss gladiator, told me all i needed to know. At this point, Mel Gibson is the only person keeping traditional masculinity alive in Hollywood.

  • @forlornfool221
    @forlornfool221 Месяц назад

    This video didn't age well .

  • @GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm
    @GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm Месяц назад +2

    The way I describe Gladiator is that "it's a mash up of Ben Hur and Spartacus, and worse than both". And I hate the last 15 minutes of Ben Hur.

  • @TheMoneypresident
    @TheMoneypresident Месяц назад

    Last jedi is much better than Gladiator 2.

  • @remuslazar2033
    @remuslazar2033 Месяц назад +1

    FIRST FIRST FIIIIIRST

  • @BaldWomanEnjoyer
    @BaldWomanEnjoyer Месяц назад

    Gladiator is incredibly overrated

  • @ornebatmagoo7128
    @ornebatmagoo7128 Месяц назад

    I'm so tired of hearing about the "chaos" of Gladiator... There was no confusion over the script during production: there were no more re-writes than on any other film that shoots for 6 months. The whole structure was in place by the time we started filming. The production was smooth, and incidents were no worse than on any film this size. Things were rather smooth all the way thru. Oliver Reed did not die halfway through. He died about two weeks before the film wrapped. He'd shot most of his scenes and the adjustments involved a few CGI tricks but no panic (Reed died on a Saturday night and the crew assembled on Monday morning for a minute of silence at 8:00 AM, and started filming immediately - a stand-in was already on the set ready to go.) Anyway. Chaos? No. It was smooth sailing, pretty much. A very well organized production. Difficult, but a tightly run ship.