You wont always be playing on a surface with great rebound. It is good to practice on dead surfaces like a pillow or your lap, so that way when you play on anything from a floor tom, to a marching snare, it will be a breeze. That is if you practice well enough.
Goodness gracious… So much criticism. I'll admit, this isn't the best tutorial, but some of these comments are really ignorant. If you can get the sound that you want, and your not hurting yourself, you have good technique. There are no rules for where the knuckles touch the stick or where the fingers lie… My God.
goodness gracious, people are trying to find the most technical tutorials and find what the smallest things they need to know to improve. We want to know more than just the basics. If you are going to get upset about complaints, you are exactly like them.
@roguestar5 interesting to note, the drum kit was actually designed for playing traditional grip in the left hand. it's by fortune that the standard set up is capable of being played with matched grip (however, the notoriously stubborn buddy rich disagreed), but possibly in the same vain, i feel the same way about right handed traditional on the standard steup.
Thanks very much for explaining how to let go of the stick from ring and middle finger, just before impact, and use the fulcrum between the tumb and index finger. I've looked at so many explanations that never bothered to mention this and just told me to place the ring and middle finger around the stick, which seemed to undermine the fulcrum between the index and thumb.
I've never seen anybody applying that technique for the doubles (pushing with the thumb). Most of us use the index finger or no fingers at all (just the thumb helping to keep control). It was a great lesson by the way.
People shouldn't be mad at you if you use Matched Grip when you play Jazz Music. There isn't a use for Traditional Grip anymore. Marching Bands still use the technique, but it's useless for the Snares because now the Snares can stand flat and it feels weird to play it that way.
0:18 oh man that *swallow* made my entire existence quiver and shudder for a second. it can't just be me right? that was fucking disgusting lmao, maybe its just because I had headphones on quite loud
I honestly tried playing the same way as Sacha, but I must have a little too less muscle between my thumb and index finger because I developed a terrible pain in the bottom joints of each appendage. I checked out if others had this problem, and I discovered that keeping your thumb and index finger pinched over the stick completely alliviated this pain. I can't even let go, and if I do while playing that pain comes back.
great video for those of us new to traditional grip; w/regards to matched vs trad, its not an "either/or" seen Art Blakely go back and forth, and BR as well
Don't let go of the stick with your index and middle. Don't choke the stick either. You need those for half controlling the stroke. Half control, and half rebound, depending on tempo. In a nutshell
I get something out of most of the drumming videos I've watched. I'm completely new to this and get at least a little bit of something out of it every time I return to see it again. For the whiners out there, pull your head out and open your mind.
@rolfwilkinson Yes I pretty much use my index finger for most of the control I get from my trad. grip. I mainly use the thumb to control the stick on big, open strokes (just to stop it flying over my shoulder, really).
Man, I'd LOVE to learn how to play 777-9311 by The Time written by PRINCE and backseat driver by the barkays using the traditional grip on the hi hat and snare.
@schoolofmusiconline I think the question was do you use the index finger for leverage, when initiating the stroke. It seems some players do this, and I seem to recall joe morello talking about this in a video.
Those are the drumsticks I use they last longer than the none coated ones idk why probably holds it together better or my technique is been good because my last drumsticks lasted years with a lot of hard hitting.
@zzzzzushi Well drumline technique is about as good as it gets, so I would take his word over mine, but that said, my technique is more suited to general drum kit playing, rather than just snare drum. For example, while playing a loud rimshot, I feel it's best to loosen or 'let go' of the stick just as it strikes to avoid any backlash from the stick. Same goes for a big cymbal crash.
Yeah, you can use rebound all you want on a trap snare, or hats, or whatever is on a kit, because trap playing is all your own style. But that wouldn't be the case if you were on the line, you have to match the ones around you and using rebound for all of your diddles or whatever, wouldn't look to good.
Fulcrum looks way too high for me. I like keeping the bottom of my hand really close (but not parallel) to the bottom of the stick. Gives a lot of bounce, IMO. Also, learned using the traditional grip, but hate it so it's gone as well. Don't know if being a lefty who plays a right-handed kit has anything to with it, but hey my style is like Bonham's. I LOVE PLAYING DRUMS! Edit : Damn I didn't realize this was 10 years old! Sorry drummers!
Uh... Strange technique of grip and strange fulcrum with the hand almost at the middle of the stick. Strange rolls with the thumb. And always those rebounds... And a strange idea to play with black sticks, dressed with a black tee-shirt in front of a black background...
I tend to focus the fulcrum between the second and first joint of the thumb, and just above the fingernail of the index finger underneath. There is no right and wrong way, but there are always "better" ways no matter how good you are.
@roguestar5 I suppose it could, but it's not really something that would work well on a normal right-handed setup because of the position of the snare and hi-hats. That said, I've seen Billy Cobham play trad grip with his right hand and it blew me away - see youtube /watch?v=I2VYKgFBH3A
So when you play traditional grip do you tilt your left shoulder down alittle so you can have better control over the strokes are something like that?Anybody?
Hurts your hand? Talk to Rick Allen, drummer of Def Leppard. He played heavy metal drums using traditional grip in the late 1970s/early 1980s when he still had both arms.
For you beginning drummers who really wants to learn how to play traditional grip. Check out your rudimental drummers OR, drummers who are in the fastest drummer in the world competitions or even better, your jazz drummers. Then, and only then you will see how the traditional grip should be played and all its different hand positions and, finger control.
I've noticed that Neil Peart, plays both ways, depending upon the music he's playing..so, perhaps the drum set and the music is a factor in which style you use... I suppose a very good drummer, would like to learn ALL drum methods. ???
Sarah Elizabeth Get Jojo Mayer’s “Secret Weapons” Hand technique video. www.amazon.com/dp/B000S6TNLI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_DbEdCbV22R4WP Every drummer should own it. It’s the single best instructional tool for drumming I have ever seen. And he teaches traditional and match grip. I guarantee you, you will be happy you got it.
You wont always be playing on a surface with great rebound. It is good to practice on dead surfaces like a pillow or your lap, so that way when you play on anything from a floor tom, to a marching snare, it will be a breeze. That is if you practice well enough.
11 years later, this was great! Thank you for sharing!
Grip is important! It's such a basic thing that makes a huge difference in your playing. Great lesson!
Goodness gracious… So much criticism. I'll admit, this isn't the best tutorial, but some of these comments are really ignorant. If you can get the sound that you want, and your not hurting yourself, you have good technique. There are no rules for where the knuckles touch the stick or where the fingers lie… My God.
Smartest comment :P
I've played traditional grip for over 40yrs. Terrible video.
goodness gracious, people are trying to find the most technical tutorials and find what the smallest things they need to know to improve. We want to know more than just the basics. If you are going to get upset about complaints, you are exactly like them.
Walter Andrews you just proved his point dude.
@roguestar5 interesting to note, the drum kit was actually designed for playing traditional grip in the left hand. it's by fortune that the standard set up is capable of being played with matched grip (however, the notoriously stubborn buddy rich disagreed), but possibly in the same vain, i feel the same way about right handed traditional on the standard steup.
Thanks very much for explaining how to let go of the stick from ring and middle finger, just before impact, and use the fulcrum between the tumb and index finger. I've looked at so many explanations that never bothered to mention this and just told me to place the ring and middle finger around the stick, which seemed to undermine the fulcrum between the index and thumb.
Whoever created the traditional grip had to be skilled af to know that it was even possible to play underhand style
I've never seen anybody applying that technique for the doubles (pushing with the thumb). Most of us use the index finger or no fingers at all (just the thumb helping to keep control). It was a great lesson by the way.
i play jazz using matched grip
crucify me
People shouldn't be mad at you if you use Matched Grip when you play Jazz Music. There isn't a use for Traditional Grip anymore. Marching Bands still use the technique, but it's useless for the Snares because now the Snares can stand flat and it feels weird to play it that way.
9863748a i play thrash metal with traditional girp
Gavin Harrison does play jazz on matched grip, so no fucks given.
Its ok many famous jazz drummer use matched grip too e.g : Billy Martin or Bill Stewart , both amazing jazz drummers .
Lol a lot of people do
You need some water?
0:18 oh man that *swallow* made my entire existence quiver and shudder for a second. it can't just be me right? that was fucking disgusting lmao, maybe its just because I had headphones on quite loud
I honestly tried playing the same way as Sacha, but I must have a little too less muscle between my thumb and index finger because I developed a terrible pain in the bottom joints of each appendage. I checked out if others had this problem, and I discovered that keeping your thumb and index finger pinched over the stick completely alliviated this pain. I can't even let go, and if I do while playing that pain comes back.
thank you for this excellent lesson, you have cleaned up my bad learnt grip, big hug mate!
great video for those of us new to traditional grip; w/regards to matched vs trad, its not an "either/or" seen Art Blakely go back and forth, and BR as well
Don't let go of the stick with your index and middle. Don't choke the stick either. You need those for half controlling the stroke. Half control, and half rebound, depending on tempo. In a nutshell
I get something out of most of the drumming videos I've watched. I'm completely new to this and get at least a little bit of something out of it every time I return to see it again. For the whiners out there, pull your head out and open your mind.
Thank you, now I cant stop noticing that.
@rolfwilkinson
Yes I pretty much use my index finger for most of the control I get from my trad. grip. I mainly use the thumb to control the stick on big, open strokes (just to stop it flying over my shoulder, really).
Strange with the left hand. I march snare and I learned to keep the same grip with left but rotate the wrist instead of move your fingers lime that.
Man, I'd LOVE to learn how to play 777-9311 by The Time written by PRINCE and backseat driver by the barkays using the traditional grip on the hi hat and snare.
@schoolofmusiconline
I think the question was do you use the index finger for leverage, when initiating the stroke. It seems some players do this, and I seem to recall joe morello talking about this in a video.
wow.. you best drummer and drum teacher
You neglected to mention that the pad of your left thumb rests on the first knuckle of your index. Looked it up on the Vic Firth website.
Yay, now I know i taught my friends right
Those are the drumsticks I use they last longer than the none coated ones idk why probably holds it together better or my technique is been good because my last drumsticks lasted years with a lot of hard hitting.
Great video thank you!
thanks it's helpful to me to play traditional grip
@zzzzzushi Well drumline technique is about as good as it gets, so I would take his word over mine, but that said, my technique is more suited to general drum kit playing, rather than just snare drum. For example, while playing a loud rimshot, I feel it's best to loosen or 'let go' of the stick just as it strikes to avoid any backlash from the stick. Same goes for a big cymbal crash.
I didn't know shroud making vids like this
Thanks. This is a very good tutorial.
Yeah, you can use rebound all you want on a trap snare, or hats, or whatever is on a kit, because trap playing is all your own style. But that wouldn't be the case if you were on the line, you have to match the ones around you and using rebound for all of your diddles or whatever, wouldn't look to good.
Fulcrum looks way too high for me. I like keeping the bottom of my hand really close (but not parallel) to the bottom of the stick. Gives a lot of bounce, IMO. Also, learned using the traditional grip, but hate it so it's gone as well. Don't know if being a lefty who plays a right-handed kit has anything to with it, but hey my style is like Bonham's. I LOVE PLAYING DRUMS!
Edit : Damn I didn't realize this was 10 years old! Sorry drummers!
what are all these experts doing here in the comments below? this is a beginner tutorial, if i'm not wrong... btw: thanks for sharing your approach.
and unless ur pipe drummer ur index figer is over the stick with ur thumb on top at the first knuckle not chillin next to it.
Black clothes, black background, black sticks... not a good way to demo something =S
But white and red drum pad
And light skin
His arms and hands stick out more. The body isn’t exactly an important factor for learning the traditional grip.
Hey thanks for the video! Realy helpful :)
If I'm a lefty but play on a right handed drumset (i play open handed), and I want to play jazz, on which side do I use the traditional grip
Is the traditional grip only specific to the left hand, or can it be adjusted to suit the comfortability of the drummer?
Am I the only one annoyed by the swallowing noise?
+Killtrocity™ I lowered down the volume.
+Killtrocity™ The worst. I had to stop watching.
Turned mine off for same reason
+Zach Fuck you ok. I was interested in this video and after reading this it's all I hear. I can't watch this video anymore
I was wondering the samething
learn the normal matched grip first and master it. Then it's easier to learn this technique since you already know how it kind of has to feel
Good stuff.
certainly helped me, thank you
why on earth do interlaced videos exist on RUclips?!
Hi Sacha, thanks for that ! Just as a question, is that an Evans practice pad on a snare drum mount ?
Excellent.
I never knew you were supposed to actually let go... are you sure?
Uh... Strange technique of grip and strange fulcrum with the hand almost at the middle of the stick. Strange rolls with the thumb. And always those rebounds... And a strange idea to play with black sticks, dressed with a black tee-shirt in front of a black background...
I tend to focus the fulcrum between the second and first joint of the thumb, and just above the fingernail of the index finger underneath. There is no right and wrong way, but there are always "better" ways no matter how good you are.
MoSkont1
Huh. Strange.
GREAT EXPLAINATION!!! THANKS!
More!
@roguestar5 I suppose it could, but it's not really something that would work well on a normal right-handed setup because of the position of the snare and hi-hats. That said, I've seen Billy Cobham play trad grip with his right hand and it blew me away - see youtube /watch?v=I2VYKgFBH3A
is that the Steve Gadd signature pair?
I started with this grip because I didn’t like regular
Great video👍🏾
Thanks for the video. I find that the stick is drifting away from the fulcrum point. Do i lock the stick with the thumb cuz it hurts a bit.
So when you play traditional grip do you tilt your left shoulder down alittle so you can have better control over the strokes are something like that?Anybody?
What brand is that practice pad??? I wanna buy one.
Hurts your hand? Talk to Rick Allen, drummer of Def Leppard. He played heavy metal drums using traditional grip in the late 1970s/early 1980s when he still had both arms.
When you watch the tutorial and half way through realise you have the same sticks
I'm a righty, so I'm supposed to do it with the left hand, but I do it with my right hand, because it is easier
For you beginning drummers who really wants to learn how to play traditional grip. Check out your rudimental drummers OR, drummers who are in the fastest drummer in the world competitions or even better, your jazz drummers. Then, and only then you will see how the traditional grip should be played and all its different hand positions and, finger control.
I have those same drumsticks and the black paint gets all over the drum head during rimshots;(dont get them)
I've noticed that Neil Peart, plays both ways, depending upon the music he's playing..so, perhaps the drum set and the music is a factor in which style you use... I suppose a very good drummer, would like to learn ALL drum methods. ???
Thanks man it really helped ;)
Great lesson :).... Thanx...
😂 We got the exactttttt sameeeee sticksssssss
Dude traditional grip hurts my hand 😩
Sarah Elizabeth Get Jojo Mayer’s “Secret Weapons” Hand technique video.
www.amazon.com/dp/B000S6TNLI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_DbEdCbV22R4WP
Every drummer should own it. It’s the single best instructional tool for drumming I have ever seen.
And he teaches traditional and match grip.
I guarantee you, you will be happy you got it.
it shouldn’t tho
Was that supposed to have a comma or...?
Thx
@jona4151That is exactly my situation too. Glad I'm not the only one
black shirt, black stick, black background...bit hard to see
AH! Its a floating head! With arms!
The swallowing and smacking is nerve wracking
@musclemoose Too much treble in the EQ.
the.royal.marines.and.other.parts.of.the.army.aur,force.still.use,this.way.today
😇😇😇😇
I tend to rest it near the fingernail because there's better feel from that end of the finger I guess.
look like magician sticks haha
just practice
1:00 his traditional grip is more like pipe band drummer's. just sayin
please use a white sticks man lol
"Hi, welcome back"? Who are you?
I have those sticks😂
just take a big gulp at :41
this video is a copy of dave weckl explanation
So what? There isn't any better way to explain:P
This is probably the best instruction video here but I cant watch it because of the swallowing 😡 makes me murderous
*SWALLOW*
play maps
Wrong
i feel like he has a very large amount of saliva in his mouth..... all the time.
this is not correct traditional grip technique
I agree Spidy
Your teaching it all wrong you never open your fulcrum while playing traditional or matched
Never take the fingers away when you play with left hand. This video is horrible for learning left hand grip.
Why???
No, you really do need to move your fingers away in order to let the stick rebound, even if it's just for a split second.
@digitaldown /watch?v=v0V4Aqs2D48
horrible technique, you have no control of the stick if you let go of it
Terrible technique, relying on rebound all the time will not get you chops, and he crowded the stick very bad.
Get a drink of water, smh.
This is a terrible example
Your left technique looks terrible..
I can't stand the swallowing sound.
terrible technique