For those that want an excuse to dislike it, it wont win you over so theres no point in debating with that group. But for those who are interested, I had the XTR setup. Its unnecessary but very awesome. The biggest issue with Di2 is the setup. Where to place and route all your cables if your frame isn't Di2 friendly. I put my on a Evil The Following and it was pain at first. But once I got on the trail, Di2 changed the way I looked at shifting. I had a 2x11 setup, with one shiftier (Syncro-Shift). The way it knows to shift from front or rear depending on needs is actually impressive. It was easier to setup tension, limiting and position with Di2 then cable. I rarely had to charge the battery if at any at all.
Once they remove all wires, then they'll have something. Right now it's like an early, 1st gen $500 VCR that had a 'remote' connect via cable....... You youngsters can Google VCR.
"...Reliability after a winter of riding". If this video is a reflection of your "winter" Then it will be flawless. Try riding in the UK over winter, that would be a real test. Where after EVERY bike ride you have to spend 30 minutes cleaning the mud off your pride and joy.
Try riding your bike in Germany, in Berlin. Probably the same story as it is in England. I bought a little battery operated Kärcher And can clean my bike in a couple of minutes from the mud. I get the water in a bucket because the regular water it's off because of the freezing temperature
Maybe since it's electronic the shifting could be so fast that it would make a harsh transition between gears, in the sense of what you feel. JUST SAYING.
That looks like a future of bike peripherals. And as any advanced technology it starts with being enormously expensive and hard to service. For the moment I'll just stick to mechanical components. Hope the price tag would become more user-friendly by the time I would have to replace my M8000 drivetrain.
Being able to slow down shifting might be useful in very poor conditions (e.g. thick, sticky mud) where poorly timed gear shifts would be less likely to damage the RD.
Earl Grey I had a 2x10 on my bike. I converted to a 1x10 and I used 11-36 cassette and it wasn't enough. I added an extended 42 tooth cog from black spire and it's perfect now, coupled with a 30 tooth up front. I ride up for all my descents and I'm very pleased with my budget upgrade.
No idea what the rpm is. I run out of gears also but my road use is so minimal I'm not concerned about it. Try this calculator to check what chain ring/cassette is best for you. home.earthlink.net/%7Emike.sherman/shift.html
I kind of like the idea since I would spend almost all of my time in the 11-37 range where I'd get closer gearing. The 46 would be my rarely used bailout gear...something that when I need it I really need it.
well, they've had an XT 1x, but i don't know for how long bike.shimano.com/content/sac-bike/en/home/components11/mountain/deore-xt-m8000/fc-m8000-1.html
I'm sorry, that's not what i mean :PP What i'm trying to say is that, the 1X chainring that Shimano made in the past, it's not technically a "Narrow wide tooth chainring", even though it's still keep the chain, just with a different shape, which kinda bugging me for some reason
Yes!! How many batteries do I want on my bike? - ALL of them! So far I have... uh 1 2 34 567 8910... ten rechargeable batteries divided on 5 different places/functions on my bike. One more will just add to the Li-ion/Nimh family! xD
Di2 on road bikes can last for up to 2 months with frequent use. i think it's more to do with not dealing with cable stretch and needing adjustments, it's basically a set and forget setup
I can understand that for road bikes to an extent, but for mtb's with mainly either 1x10 or 1x11 setups these days is the extra expense, sophistication and battery requirements really necessary? Plus on a road bike your not normally smashing your rear mech of rocks on a regular basis ( or that might just be me :) !! )
"is the extra expense, sophistication and battery requirements really necessary" is a MTB really necessary? it's all just a bit of fun at the end of the day ;)
Because it works really well. Roadies love DI2, and Etap. Also, electronic shifting doesn't degrade over time, and works better in muddy, crappy environments
Richard I'm an electronics engineering and battery's do degrade over time and electronics do fail. Sometimes samplers better I'm not saying the system isn't good far from from it, just querying whether it's needed? And yep it is just fun but £1200 for a 1x11 setup isn't fun for anybody 😉
46t seems ridiculous, if it's that steep just get off and push, even on a very technical, 'trialsy' climb it'd still be too small. My biggest gear is 38t front and 36t rear and even on a patriot it's still enough for most climbs
Well, on a 29er, having a 46t extender let's you go for a 34 or even 36 chainring up front on a 1x - you'll climb pretty much anywhere and won't have to go for the high gears as often on flat.
Did I see right, that you combined the 11-46 cassette with a 30T crankring? According to shimanos website, this is not possible :-D Does the system configure the chainline of each gear automatically or is it possible to make an individual chainline setup for each gear? THX
I love Shimano Groupsets but it looks to me as a step back, lots of wires, battery for the seatpost, BIG inconvenient for droperposts, chunky shifter ... I was looking forward to it but I am utterly disappointed.
"Dad, my shifters are not working!!". "You forgot to recharge the bike, son". No thanks, i`m good using my shimano setup from 20 years ago, shifts just fine !!!
3 years in the future, Sram has 1x12, Shimano has 1x12 all the way from deore to xtr, there's Box Prime 9 1x9 with an 11-50 cassette, and even a hydraulic 1x13 from Rotor.
Dan Per Me too! I want no wires!!! SRAM has got to be close to releasing for MTB now that E Tap wireless has been tested and so successful. Have you heard anything on the MTB version?
I'd like to see the front derailleur auto shift. That sounds cool. It might be a little late though as multiple cogs up front seems extinct.
For those that want an excuse to dislike it, it wont win you over so theres no point in debating with that group. But for those who are interested, I had the XTR setup. Its unnecessary but very awesome. The biggest issue with Di2 is the setup. Where to place and route all your cables if your frame isn't Di2 friendly. I put my on a Evil The Following and it was pain at first. But once I got on the trail, Di2 changed the way I looked at shifting. I had a 2x11 setup, with one shiftier (Syncro-Shift). The way it knows to shift from front or rear depending on needs is actually impressive. It was easier to setup tension, limiting and position with Di2 then cable. I rarely had to charge the battery if at any at all.
I can see this being the future of gear changing... Nice..
Once they remove all wires, then they'll have something. Right now it's like an early, 1st gen $500 VCR that had a 'remote' connect via cable....... You youngsters can Google VCR.
ThunderStruckCoach my first tv as a kid, I was the remote.
lol me too.
Calls people youngsters, yet is talking in terms of TVs. What do you know about the days before television?
I know people had manners.
ThunderStruckCoach comment of the day right here.
I'll try it when its no longer "the new thing" and much cheaper!
"...Reliability after a winter of riding". If this video is a reflection of your "winter" Then it will be flawless.
Try riding in the UK over winter, that would be a real test. Where after EVERY bike ride you have to spend 30 minutes cleaning the mud off your pride and joy.
This was filmed before winter came to Colorado. We've got plenty of snow and mud now. Stay tuned.
Try riding your bike in Germany, in Berlin. Probably the same story as it is in England. I bought a little battery operated Kärcher And can clean my bike in a couple of minutes from the mud. I get the water in a bucket because the regular water it's off because of the freezing temperature
why would you want to setup your shiftingspeed to "slow"? isnt faster shifting not always better or am i missing something?
Maybe since it's electronic the shifting could be so fast that it would make a harsh transition between gears, in the sense of what you feel. JUST SAYING.
accidentally shifting while climbing could be bad, if its slow you could counter it before it shifts?
velo1337 if you ride in mud, shifting fast will damage the drivetrain.
I love Di2
I love refrigerators
That looks like a future of bike peripherals. And as any advanced technology it starts with being enormously expensive and hard to service. For the moment I'll just stick to mechanical components. Hope the price tag would become more user-friendly by the time I would have to replace my M8000 drivetrain.
Why would you ever want another change speed except very fast?
Because you can overshift into a gear you didn't want.
Being able to slow down shifting might be useful in very poor conditions (e.g. thick, sticky mud) where poorly timed gear shifts would be less likely to damage the RD.
Di2 won't overshift. as for why you'd not want super fast all the time - it can feel a bit 'rushed' esp at lower cadences IME
Thomas Marvin You're thinking wrong type of overshift. DI2 can "hold and dump", no need to tap individual for each gear.
ah sorry - get what you mean now. TBH that sort of overshifting isn't something i experienced with Di2 XTR, even on it's fastest setting.
Can you use the android app to switch off the annoying repetitive guitar scratch ?
Nice vid lads! Do you know how much will it cost?
I like 1x10 that's just me .how much is this set up
I think a 1x10 with 11-36 cassette is good enough for most riders. 11/12 speed is probably best reserved for racing.
Earl Grey I had a 2x10 on my bike. I converted to a 1x10 and I used 11-36 cassette and it wasn't enough. I added an extended 42 tooth cog from black spire and it's perfect now, coupled with a 30 tooth up front. I ride up for all my descents and I'm very pleased with my budget upgrade.
Nick Rogers What kind of top speed do you get at 80-90rpm? I currently use a 3x10 xt and run out of gears when sprinting on the road
No idea what the rpm is. I run out of gears also but my road use is so minimal I'm not concerned about it. Try this calculator to check what chain ring/cassette is best for you. home.earthlink.net/%7Emike.sherman/shift.html
Thanks man I will do that
Love mountinbike!
System looks cool but 37 to 46 jump or 24% is just silly.
Just go for the Sunrace MX8 11-46 cassette or a Sram 10-42 cassette. All of them will work as fine as the original XT cassette.
I kind of like the idea since I would spend almost all of my time in the 11-37 range where I'd get closer gearing. The 46 would be my rarely used bailout gear...something that when I need it I really need it.
Tino Schneider Yes the MX8 progression sounds good. My personal choice is XTR 11-40T with OneUp 45T which is almost the same.
You can buy a sunrace cassette 11-46 that is much better in my opinion
I got an M8000 groupeset, is it possible to upgrade to Di2 without swopping it all out? Could the front derailer also handle a 3x11 drivetrain?
I think Di2 has only been on 2x groupsets, so i don't think it would work.
You can save is the brakes and drivetrain (crankset, chain, cassette). You would need new derailleur(s), shifter(s), battery, wire, and control box.
Finally, Shimano has made their own "NW chairing" :))
well, they've had an XT 1x, but i don't know for how long bike.shimano.com/content/sac-bike/en/home/components11/mountain/deore-xt-m8000/fc-m8000-1.html
I'm sorry, that's not what i mean :PP What i'm trying to say is that, the 1X chainring that Shimano made in the past, it's not technically a "Narrow wide tooth chainring", even though it's still keep the chain, just with a different shape, which kinda bugging me for some reason
Yes!! How many batteries do I want on my bike?
- ALL of them!
So far I have... uh 1 2 34 567 8910... ten rechargeable batteries divided on 5 different places/functions on my bike.
One more will just add to the Li-ion/Nimh family! xD
is it just me but why would you want to have to charge a battery to change gear?
Di2 on road bikes can last for up to 2 months with frequent use. i think it's more to do with not dealing with cable stretch and needing adjustments, it's basically a set and forget setup
I can understand that for road bikes to an extent, but for mtb's with mainly either 1x10 or 1x11 setups these days is the extra expense, sophistication and battery requirements really necessary? Plus on a road bike your not normally smashing your rear mech of rocks on a regular basis ( or that might just be me :) !! )
"is the extra expense, sophistication and battery requirements really necessary"
is a MTB really necessary? it's all just a bit of fun at the end of the day ;)
Because it works really well. Roadies love DI2, and Etap.
Also, electronic shifting doesn't degrade over time, and works better in muddy, crappy environments
Richard I'm an electronics engineering and battery's do degrade over time and electronics do fail. Sometimes samplers better I'm not saying the system isn't good far from from it, just querying whether it's needed? And yep it is just fun but £1200 for a 1x11 setup isn't fun for anybody 😉
Is it like the road Di2 systems in that you can only shift one gear at a time?
You can shift up to 11 gears at a time. For some reason Shimano disabled the full 12 gear shifts though
my god i cannot handle watching the 11-46 cassette... the gap between the 37 and 46 plate is absurd
How do you charge it
46t seems ridiculous, if it's that steep just get off and push, even on a very technical, 'trialsy' climb it'd still be too small. My biggest gear is 38t front and 36t rear and even on a patriot it's still enough for most climbs
Well, on a 29er, having a 46t extender let's you go for a 34 or even 36 chainring up front on a 1x - you'll climb pretty much anywhere and won't have to go for the high gears as often on flat.
They have 52 now
can you still shift if you run out of battery?
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that typo tho xD
Electronic with mechanical?🤗😊
Did I see right, that you combined the 11-46 cassette with a 30T crankring? According to shimanos website, this is not possible :-D
Does the system configure the chainline of each gear automatically or is it possible to make an individual chainline setup for each gear?
THX
what id wrong with cables
Nice
I love Shimano Groupsets but it looks to me as a step back, lots of wires, battery for the seatpost, BIG inconvenient for droperposts, chunky shifter ... I was looking forward to it but I am utterly disappointed.
"Dad, my shifters are not working!!". "You forgot to recharge the bike, son". No thanks, i`m good using my shimano setup from 20 years ago, shifts just fine !!!
affordable by who?
holy crap, $300 lol, i don't even have the money for carry pump....
For who?
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“Less UNAFFORDABLE ...”
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"Traditional 2x11 drivetrain" - I got 3x7 and 2x6, wtf?
*waits for 12 speed*
Not going to happen any time soon. Would need a new freehub design.
With all due respect, I also don't think letting sram corner a section of the high end market will happen any time soon.
thechosendude i know im late and you probably know this by now but sram has the 12 speed eagle line up
thechosendude also campagnolo as well
3 years in the future, Sram has 1x12, Shimano has 1x12 all the way from deore to xtr, there's Box Prime 9 1x9 with an 11-50 cassette, and even a hydraulic 1x13 from Rotor.
No thanks. Its kind of a disappointment. Just like Dura Ace 9100 is. I'll just wait until Sram develops Etap for MTB.
This is not the Dura-Ace equivalent.
I never said it was. I said Dura Ace 9100 is a disappointment.
Dan Per Me too! I want no wires!!! SRAM has got to be close to releasing for MTB now that E Tap wireless has been tested and so successful. Have you heard anything on the MTB version?
"Traditional 2x11 drivetrain" - I got 3x7 and 2x6, really?
over price iteam!
Electronic but still wired :'(
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