@jimeditorial Musk don't care what people think or what they want. He don't need NASA. irregardless of what NASA plans are , he's going to the moon and mars
I don't think we should call any new space stations the ISS. If it's going to be a uniquely American space station it should be called the USSS, United States Space Station🎉
I know what you mean, I cannot imagine how much advanced we would be if we didnt need to spend huge sums of money on war and defence. Boggles my mind that there are people that think its better to spent that much on defence
@@thornbottle Also a huge fraction of what is spent on "advancements" is really just wasted money. The current "plan" to return to the moon is a complete joke.
Have a Starship custom built that has a detachable back end and front end. The center is the station modules. One becomes damaged, fly up a replacement and land then damaged one. This would be a big engineering challenge, but spacex has done things more difficult than this.
The rocket just needs a plug in at the nose. That will allow 2 or 4 more docking ports if needed. There are a lot of work around's. No modifications needed to the rocket. Also the rocket is tethered at the nose for Artificial gravity. Star Ships internal structures are not designed to be pulled on the side. Star Ship is routinely lifted by the nose and that's how it will be tethered for artificial gravity while in orbit.
I stil would like to see SpaceX use that billion dollars to make a Starship into a space tug and loft the ISS to a garage orbit, just outside of GEO. Put a few Optimus on it for maintenance or ongoing experiments.
I agree once new ISS is operational SpaceX can use Optimus to install orbital thrusters. This station can then be Licensed to SpaceX as a safe base for Optimus trashmen to begin a program to clean up space debris.
Just create a "shell" around the starship and launch that to orbit. Slide off the shell and turn that into a space station area, then you still get the starship back.
People want to B_tch about Elon Musk and DOGE but he's single handedly has kept Us from being completely embarrassed on the world stage. Seriously, NASA has outlived it's usefulness, we should be funding private American companies. Imagine what Space X could have done with the 25 BILLION spent on SLS.
A Hub with 2 to 20 Starships is the best choice. Imagine a hub with 20 Starships, that has enough space, for 2000 people minimum, without altering starship. If you reduce the tanks to 1/10 the size you can nearly triple the useable space. You still want the tanks for station keeping and emergency escape out of lower orbit.l.
SpaceX has the exterior covered a company like Vast can focus on interior. Shared development expertise can yield unrealized benefits in speed and quality of project. Another candidate is Tesla's Optimus robots may be the first traveler on the Moon Demo Landing. What is Sierra Space up to these day's? I am hoping Blue Horizon have some success.
2:09 There is a potential infinite variety of "Stainless Steel" and of those, there are still a large number of standard blends, with many not being as "stainless" as the name might suggest. Some are positively rusty! One of the upcoming objectives will be seeing how SpaceX' patented "30X" (etc) blends cope in the long-term exposure to space. I wonder if they have already been testing some via the MISSE missions to the ISS, similar.
Even if it doesn't end up becoming the next ISS just leaving a Starship in orbit with some crew and equipment would make a good stopgap after ISS is decommissioned before the next NASA station, whatever that may be.
If Starship is rapidly reusable and you just have to fuel up , it makes better economic sense to fly up dedicated space station modules and link them up in orbit.
A space station provided by SpaceX has been ordained since day 1. At least it was from my perspective and I am absolutely certain it was on the mind of Musk as well. There is a short term temporary concept and a long term concept - even more than outlined in this video. We may have to replace the current space station any day now. Probably not likely but the potential is there. We have to prepare for that scenario. I don't think you can count on landing the SpaceX station back on earth; whatever you put there will not be meant for that purpose. By the time you strip down even the V2 Starship you'll have a lot more room for human habitation and general purpose use. I suspect it will have to have more outside covering in some areas to protect the stainless steel and that will add weight but offer more protection to the residents. Trump has announced that rockets sent to Mars will have some minimal use of artificial gravity so there is a potential for the same on this space station as well. Myself, I think Musk has already worked out the basic details. After all, he has been working on the moon Starship for years now and they have a mock up already in place. That rocket is meant for habitation on the moon and would include some of the same features a temporary space station would have to include. Right now SpaceX is working on the details of launch and LANDING the Starship. You don't need a landing capability to put up a space station. The Super Heavy could be used for a one time launch and fully use the powerful capability of the rocket. I think we are closer than you think. Even now you could put the shell in space and use the reliable Falcon to get there and back:-) The Starship changes everything and every nation in the world knows it.
Kinda like what I've been saying in some other videos about space stations. Starship already has the basics of what could be niche, temporary space stations. I think there are two options: 1) A Starship space station variant launches atop the super heavy booster with crew and supplies. Starship space station stays in orbit for weeks or months, depending on the mission. When mission concludes, land the Starship and reuse it for the next space station mission. 2) Launch the Starship space station variant having a docking port (without heat tiles for re-entry) with supplies to orbit. Send Dragon up there with crew. Send next crew and bring back other crew after mission on a Dragon. The first option looks better in my opinion.
Although there are clear political reasons and other benefits including dime funding, SpaceX could probably easily justify created an entirely sef funded and private space station for customers who want to set up outer space labs. If it can also support commercial tourism, more power to SoaceX
Bad idea. Dedicated modules lifted into LEO by superheavy. Then they are tugged into place. Replace them when old. Use low cost people movers like Stoke Space to ferry astronauts to space station.
If you want to use the starship as a means to building a space station then here’s what I suggest. Fit a jacket made of stainless steel or another material over the outside of the starship. Launch the starship into space, slide the starship out of its jacket. Land the starship. You now have a large volume open top tank floating in space. Fit another jacket to starship. Launch to space. Slide the starship out of the jacket. You now have two open top tanks floating in space. If the open ends have flanges you now bolt them together, you now have an enclosed tank floating in space. If you put docking rings on the ends of these tanks you can now dock anything you want to the new space station, make the docking rings large enough to move equipment inside and build from there. You don’t need to sacrifice the starship to convert it into a space station, but you can lift the majority structural components into space using it as a truck but with the cargo a shell over the actual starship.
@@ArizonaVideo99 The fins could possibly be made retractable, if the cargo is a shell or jacket outside the hull then there’s room inside for the fins to be retracted into.
I could see a three stage Starship with the top stage staying in orbit and two rocket stages returning. We'll need a version optimized for returning cargo once space manufacturing gets going. A starship that could return with 200-300 tons using the atmosphere for breaking might make sense. Depending on the terms of trade, it might carry 50 tons up and lots more back.
Create a 'shell' around the Starship and launch it to orbit. Once in space, slide off the shell and convert it into a space station. This way, you still get the Starship back while repurposing the shell for orbital use.
SpaceX proposes having ready to launch next week😂 given they’re woefully behind schedule with starship having not reached full orbit, put a full payload into orbit, not tested orbital refuelling, not done multiple relighting tests of turbo thrusters in space, not landed a starship on an unprepared surface or landed a starship on the moon and spent all the taxpayer money. They shouldn’t be in the running.
Could probably launch a few hundred tons just for a new space station with the next couple test launches if the payload was ready Thats really the scale of starship. A few launches would load into orbit the equivalent of the ISS in mass without the insane amount of launches the ISS took
I see great potential in Elon Musk's projects, I believe in his engineering genius, in particular, I admire the FSD 13.2 autonomous driving system, which will bury Waymo as soon as it goes into mass production. Although I do not express explicit support for Elon Musk, I have always been on his side and hope that in the future we will join forces and create something that will revolutionize and lift humanity to unprecedented heights. Hopefully, Mark Zuckerberg will join us soon to integrate his tech giant into our great future project. Sincerely, Jeff Bezos.
The first aircraft carrier ever built was USS Langley (CV-1), which was commissioned by the United States Navy on March 20, 1922. It was a converted coal-carrying ship, originally designed as a seaplane tender, and became the first ship designed to carry and launch aircraft. As for building an aircraft carrier for space, while it's speculative, the concept of a "space aircraft carrier" is not entirely out of the realm of possibility. Given the advances in space technology and the growing interest in long-term human presence in space, the idea of creating large, mobile space platforms for operations, vehicle launches, or even space combat is theoretically feasible in the distant future. This could involve the creation of massive space stations or platforms capable of docking various spacecraft, serving as a "launch hub" for missions beyond Earth's orbit. However, such a project would require monumental technological advancements, resources, and international cooperation. Currently, space exploration efforts are focused on developing more practical space stations, such as the International Space Station (ISS), as well as spacecraft that can transport astronauts and cargo. The idea of a space-based aircraft carrier may become more realistic as humanity expands its space infrastructure in the coming decades.
I really like to here about the advancements in space stations. I believe we will have space stations around Mars and other planets/moons.Before we explore them.
It should just be "spaceship hull type 001" and all the needs for exploration, long term stay, filtering, sampling, sensor, experiments, exercise, whatever, should be designed within the dimensions and lift load of the hull. As long as we keep the lift capacity the same or higher in the future and the dimensions of hull 001 the same, we can start serious movement as they can be placed in orbit with little to no modification and just work.
For one thing, you would not use 'Starship', you would use 'Starbase' It would be constructed as a 'Launch Once' upper stage for the booster. Blunt on both ends with a top fairing to be discarded after launch, with passthrough hatches (docking ports) on both ends. Tank interior with additional bulkheads and hatches, secured open or closed as required for launch. You would start with a core module that would have additional docking ports on the circumference, a larger diameter (12m?) and insulation like what was used on the Space Shuttle tank. Launch additional modules without docking port on the circumference. After you have two or three sticking out from the core module, start spinning the assembly ...
All they have to do is keep using the fuel tanks for fuel storage. That way in the future when they need fuel to go to mars the moon or beyond they already have a fuel station at the space station. 1+1=2
Retrofitting Starship, to change the volume dedicated to propellant into habitable space might be a very challenging project but doing so would boost the development of orbital construction and manufacturing techniques! Imagine being the first welder in orbit, or the first plumber or electrician, stripping out the tank's common dome and replacing it with bulkheads, insulation, wiring, lights, and plumbing. It would be amazing to work construction, IN SPACE!
@@richardzeitz54 I believe retrofitting is for old hardware. I am convinced that Elon musk will design a brand new type of starship. Why retrofit old hardware when you can build a new design?
@@DonPayne-vt9rq because Starship has these enormous cavities dedicated to fuel and oxidiser. Once the ship is in orbit, unless it's going to need that much propellant, the space can be reclaimed for storage, habitat, or workspace. It's not about old or new hardware, it's about using Starship as a space station rather than as a space ship. But as I said before, doing the retrofit in space would afford the opportunity to develop techniques for welding, etc., in space. The point being construction in space rather than having to pre-build everything then launching it into space.
@richardzeitz54 🤔 Yes I see your point about construction in the space but we still have to get the materials up there or at very least we have to find the materials while being up there either way living on a starship could be pretty cool 😁👍
😅 without the header tanks for landing there are no down comers in the methane tank a bolted flange in the payload dome allows you to bolt an inflatable hab within the methane tank a bolted on panel on the common dome sealing the down comer gives you methane storage within the lox tank. Simples you can refuel & use the Raptors to make orbital adjustments. 😊
@@jackdbur Now that sounds interesting! I'd thought about what if you ditched the raptors and replaced 'em with something else like a modest sized tank of xenon and a big VASMR thruster, but your suugestion is much simpler.
I don't think there will be any major problem developing a 1 up star ship space station. Once in space engines could be removed and replaced with oxygen storage modules just as an example. Wouldn't be hard at all to design the fuel tank system to be opened up with simple procedures. It's all got to be designed in to the craft. The design simplicity will allow for many types of space craft. The interior of the craft is what will make the difference.
Make the space station portion detach from the second stage feul and engine portion. Send the propellant and engines back to earth for re-use. Pretty simple.
The Space station should be a Telescoping StarShip craft. It's many body will telescope out 40m. No wing or heat shield but covered with solar like the trunk from Dragon. Just the body will be 45m to 50m. Hatches on each side. 36 Trapezoid StarShip docked side by side will make a ring station and 12m ship will give 1g at 3.5rpm. All docking can be at nose and/or on the short side.
Wasteful to just discard the entire station, the solar panels at the very leasy should be recovered and added to whatever we put up there to replace it.
Why not make the engine and fuel areas as being able to separate from the mid to upper section of Starship. Use those empty tanks as a fuel depot with several bundled together and then the top sections of the Starships being a building block for the new space station. Just a thought.
Great Video ! A low Inclination LEO Space Station heading East from the KSC was proposed by NASA originally ! The 28.5 deg. orbit was used and is great to launch missions to the moon and else whare ! A space Station with a Fuel Depot nearby would be an economic powerhouse ! A South Pole Lunar Outpost/Base (Clementine Base) with a LS Fuel Depot nearby supported by the Lunar Water Ice ! This will bring down the cost of supporting the Cis-Lunar Economy ! Tim Lipinski
One challenge we have to master is building ans modifying stuff in space, the raw materials will be up there, so its not clever to send it down to earth, then back ip inot space. Just manufacture it in situ.
Too bad SpaceX isn't actively working on a real space station design. They could come up with something truly great. Using Starship as a station is a stopgap measure at best. But I'm glad to see that Vast has a solid plan.
Repurposing an existing spacecraft for use as a space station is not unprecedented. In 1973, NASA launched Skylab which was made from the 2nd stage of the Saturn V which became available after the cancelation of the final moon landing missions.
How come when a Train or a car turns left even a little bit, everything is thrown off balance and out of equilibrium....but the ISS can turn left at even greater speeds, and keep turning left at high speed for hours and hours....but the footage shows everyone as if the ISS is moving in a straight line?
obv you never watched the interview where musk said that the only reason the rockets pointy is bc he saw it int he dictator movie .. He said the noes could be a flat square top and it would not matter
As always, my fascination and loved 💜 in the SPACE. I'll keep on dreaming someday, I'll tour in SPACEX soil and watch the actual lift-off. Thank U. Have a nice w-ends ahead of us. ~🤓kat
honestly space x is 20x above in front of the world the USGAV should look at space x as its win simple:) ... pps i would love to work for space x aus :)
Let's point out that even though their engineers not him we the citizens paid for it in grants from our tax that him and bord made billions in proffets and never paid one dime back to the citizens that paid for it
We also pay hundreds of billions for weapons, I prefer this. Leadership matters, just because you have some kind of weird personal issue with Elon doesn't mean his leadership has not made this happen. Many business have tried, and failed, to do what he his company has done. Go back to asking people if they would like fries with that.
Musk has paid back in the amount of money he has saved the tax payers. Musk .could have gone anywhere to dream his dreams. He choose to come here. I for one., am grateful he did. Its amazing to watch dream bloom in front of our eyes. His unconventional approach is no different than the extreme caution NASA uses. In the end, its the objective and its achievement, that is important.
I consider myself to be a pretty pessimistic and cynical person. But for the life of me, I cant seem to see past all the awesome that Musk and SpaceX have done, to find a negative associated with the compensation they have received from the tax payer. I find it hard to look at his multitude of successes, and then compare that to the daily reported colossal failures suffered by his competition, and not think somehow he might just be on to something. I also think making petty attempts at tarnishing his accomplishments by insinuating that Musk and his company were purely motivated by the acquisition of wealth at the expense of the tax payer, is completely laughable.
Starship's ultimate plan is to go to Mars. The Moon is a multi ship endeavor because of this and the mission is not designed to just get there and back, but actually go and work there.
SpaceX could have a space station up there tomorrow. And expended every month. Hope the new director on NASA recognizes this face! The space ship could easily modified to be a station. If the tanks were going to be modified they could easily prepared for this before launch. The speaker is full of bull manure about SpaceX!
Something I had never considered until recently is that a giant wheel in space while great to give gravity also means that the craft needs to support 1G forces. In that example you see a Starship mounted sideways on an arm. At that point it would be at 1G so the same as if if were mounted like that on earth. I don't think it's strong enough to do that. All of it's strength is along the vertical axis, not sideways. I think it would collapse or break in half without a lot of (heavy) reinforcements.
@@comicmania2008 NASA. It happens all of the time. But the odds of parts personally hitting you is miniscule. Much less than getting hit by a meteorite and that has only happened once.
Lets see.. NASA has only had 30 years to come up with a replacement...so cut them some slack.
Why replace it? If Musk wants to build a station, he can. No reason for NASA to do it
Just throw more money in the wastebasket. That's worked for 30 years
Sky lab was too op compared to the rest.
@@Gary-oy1ji hahahaha
@jimeditorial Musk don't care what people think or what they want. He don't need NASA. irregardless of what NASA plans are , he's going to the moon and mars
I don't think we should call any new space stations the ISS. If it's going to be a uniquely American space station it should be called the USSS, United States Space Station🎉
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20 years cost us 150 billion. 2 years of proxy war cost us 240 billion. Which one do you think was a better ROI?
I know what you mean, I cannot imagine how much advanced we would be if we didnt need to spend huge sums of money on war and defence. Boggles my mind that there are people that think its better to spent that much on defence
@@thornbottle Also a huge fraction of what is spent on "advancements" is really just wasted money. The current "plan" to return to the moon is a complete joke.
Bravo SpaceX, for these new space station developments ! 👏👏👏👏👏💯🚀
Yeah
Believe in SpaceX
Have a Starship custom built that has a detachable back end and front end. The center is the station modules. One becomes damaged, fly up a replacement and land then damaged one.
This would be a big engineering challenge, but spacex has done things more difficult than this.
The rocket just needs a plug in at the nose. That will allow 2 or 4 more docking ports if needed. There are a lot of work around's. No modifications needed to the rocket. Also the rocket is tethered at the nose for Artificial gravity. Star Ships internal structures are not designed to be pulled on the side. Star Ship is routinely lifted by the nose and that's how it will be tethered for artificial gravity while in orbit.
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SpaceX could send up a complete station all at once including a crew .
I stil would like to see SpaceX use that billion dollars to make a Starship into a space tug and loft the ISS to a garage orbit, just outside of GEO. Put a few Optimus on it for maintenance or ongoing experiments.
I agree once new ISS is operational SpaceX can use Optimus to install orbital thrusters. This station can then be Licensed to SpaceX as a safe base for Optimus trashmen to begin a program to clean up space debris.
Just create a "shell" around the starship and launch that to orbit. Slide off the shell and turn that into a space station area, then you still get the starship back.
You could connect two or three starships together and rent out rooms. Put a big Trump sign on it
Considering Elon and Spacex’s accomplishment in this area, engineering ingenuity, and relentless work ethic, understand. ♥️
People want to B_tch about Elon Musk and DOGE but he's single handedly has kept Us from being completely embarrassed on the world stage.
Seriously, NASA has outlived it's usefulness, we should be funding private American companies. Imagine what Space X could have done with the 25 BILLION spent on SLS.
A Hub with 2 to 20 Starships is the best choice. Imagine a hub with 20 Starships, that has enough space, for 2000 people minimum, without altering starship. If you reduce the tanks to 1/10 the size you can nearly triple the useable space. You still want the tanks for station keeping and emergency escape out of lower orbit.l.
SpaceX has the exterior covered a company like Vast can focus on interior. Shared development expertise can yield unrealized benefits in speed and quality of project. Another candidate is Tesla's Optimus robots may be the first traveler on the Moon Demo Landing. What is Sierra Space up to these day's? I am hoping Blue Horizon have some success.
Everyone we should Boost the space station into the SUN!
Starship could help and We get a ton of data and great video!
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spaceship also a space station.
2:09 There is a potential infinite variety of "Stainless Steel" and of those, there are still a large number of standard blends, with many not being as "stainless" as the name might suggest.
Some are positively rusty!
One of the upcoming objectives will be seeing how SpaceX' patented "30X" (etc) blends cope in the long-term exposure to space.
I wonder if they have already been testing some via the MISSE missions to the ISS, similar.
Even if it doesn't end up becoming the next ISS just leaving a Starship in orbit with some crew and equipment would make a good stopgap after ISS is decommissioned before the next NASA station, whatever that may be.
If Starship is rapidly reusable and you just have to fuel up , it makes better economic sense to fly up dedicated space station modules and link them up in orbit.
We will see great leaps forward with this administration in charge .
I've heard that Musk is confident it'll be ready for launch early 2025. Amazing! Is there anything that man can't do?!
Yes, his crazy goals have taken SpaceX everywhere.
Was Skylab (1973) originally this same basic idea? I love it!
I have a question the blow up sections that have being tested how big a station could a starship support 🧐🧐🧐
How many inflatable pods could a starship carry and deploy around itself? That would be interesting.
@@karlsjunior466being a 10 metre diameter more than 4 around the circumference dependent upon the size of the inflatable hab.
$20M*50 is indeed $1 billion, but a space station needs much much more than Starships. What about the internal structures, equipment etc?
A space station provided by SpaceX has been ordained since day 1. At least it was from my perspective and I am absolutely certain it was on the mind of Musk as well. There is a short term temporary concept and a long term concept - even more than outlined in this video. We may have to replace the current space station any day now. Probably not likely but the potential is there. We have to prepare for that scenario. I don't think you can count on landing the SpaceX station back on earth; whatever you put there will not be meant for that purpose. By the time you strip down even the V2 Starship you'll have a lot more room for human habitation and general purpose use. I suspect it will have to have more outside covering in some areas to protect the stainless steel and that will add weight but offer more protection to the residents. Trump has announced that rockets sent to Mars will have some minimal use of artificial gravity so there is a potential for the same on this space station as well. Myself, I think Musk has already worked out the basic details. After all, he has been working on the moon Starship for years now and they have a mock up already in place. That rocket is meant for habitation on the moon and would include some of the same features a temporary space station would have to include. Right now SpaceX is working on the details of launch and LANDING the Starship. You don't need a landing capability to put up a space station. The Super Heavy could be used for a one time launch and fully use the powerful capability of the rocket. I think we are closer than you think. Even now you could put the shell in space and use the reliable Falcon to get there and back:-) The Starship changes everything and every nation in the world knows it.
Kinda like what I've been saying in some other videos about space stations. Starship already has the basics of what could be niche, temporary space stations. I think there are two options:
1) A Starship space station variant launches atop the super heavy booster with crew and supplies. Starship space station stays in orbit for weeks or months, depending on the mission. When mission concludes, land the Starship and reuse it for the next space station mission.
2) Launch the Starship space station variant having a docking port (without heat tiles for re-entry) with supplies to orbit. Send Dragon up there with crew. Send next crew and bring back other crew after mission on a Dragon.
The first option looks better in my opinion.
Although there are clear political reasons and other benefits including dime funding, SpaceX could probably easily justify created an entirely sef funded and private space station for customers who want to set up outer space labs. If it can also support commercial tourism, more power to SoaceX
Well it wouldn’t matter what the starship looks like or less fuel efficient when you are just launching it once to space.
Bad idea. Dedicated modules lifted into LEO by superheavy. Then they are tugged into place. Replace them when old. Use low cost people movers like Stoke Space to ferry astronauts to space station.
Elon is not an engineer. He hired some smart people.
He has 2 degrees.in physics and economics, that seems smart as well. Smart people don't need bits of paper to be able to do things, they just can.
If you want to use the starship as a means to building a space station then here’s what I suggest.
Fit a jacket made of stainless steel or another material over the outside of the starship.
Launch the starship into space, slide the starship out of its jacket.
Land the starship.
You now have a large volume open top tank floating in space.
Fit another jacket to starship.
Launch to space.
Slide the starship out of the jacket.
You now have two open top tanks floating in space.
If the open ends have flanges you now bolt them together, you now have an enclosed tank floating in space.
If you put docking rings on the ends of these tanks you can now dock anything you want to the new space station, make the docking rings large enough to move equipment inside and build from there.
You don’t need to sacrifice the starship to convert it into a space station, but you can lift the majority structural components into space using it as a truck but with the cargo a shell over the actual starship.
Great comment 👍
To cover the star ship the fins would need to be removed or smaller, that might be possible.
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The fins could possibly be made retractable, if the cargo is a shell or jacket outside the hull then there’s room inside for the fins to be retracted into.
I could see a three stage Starship with the top stage staying in orbit and two rocket stages returning. We'll need a version optimized for returning cargo once space manufacturing gets going. A starship that could return with 200-300 tons using the atmosphere for breaking might make sense. Depending on the terms of trade, it might carry 50 tons up and lots more back.
Create a 'shell' around the Starship and launch it to orbit. Once in space, slide off the shell and convert it into a space station. This way, you still get the Starship back while repurposing the shell for orbital use.
SpaceX proposes having ready to launch next week😂 given they’re woefully behind schedule with starship having not reached full orbit, put a full payload into orbit, not tested orbital refuelling, not done multiple relighting tests of turbo thrusters in space, not landed a starship on an unprepared surface or landed a starship on the moon and spent all the taxpayer money. They shouldn’t be in the running.
Starship:
They said I could be anything they want,
so I became a space station.
Wow! From the specs, it appears Starship is very impressivE and Massive indeed. Nice.
Could probably launch a few hundred tons just for a new space station with the next couple test launches if the payload was ready
Thats really the scale of starship. A few launches would load into orbit the equivalent of the ISS in mass without the insane amount of launches the ISS took
I see great potential in Elon Musk's projects, I believe in his engineering genius, in particular, I admire the FSD 13.2 autonomous driving system, which will bury Waymo as soon as it goes into mass production. Although I do not express explicit support for Elon Musk, I have always been on his side and hope that in the future we will join forces and create something that will revolutionize and lift humanity to unprecedented heights. Hopefully, Mark Zuckerberg will join us soon to integrate his tech giant into our great future project. Sincerely, Jeff Bezos.
Not real?
Lol seriously? You think Bezos is watching GreatSpaceX RUclips channel? @multispeed1122
Awesome I'm a huge fan, Mr. Bezos! 😂
The first aircraft carrier ever built was USS Langley (CV-1), which was commissioned by the United States Navy on March 20, 1922. It was a converted coal-carrying ship, originally designed as a seaplane tender, and became the first ship designed to carry and launch aircraft.
As for building an aircraft carrier for space, while it's speculative, the concept of a "space aircraft carrier" is not entirely out of the realm of possibility. Given the advances in space technology and the growing interest in long-term human presence in space, the idea of creating large, mobile space platforms for operations, vehicle launches, or even space combat is theoretically feasible in the distant future. This could involve the creation of massive space stations or platforms capable of docking various spacecraft, serving as a "launch hub" for missions beyond Earth's orbit.
However, such a project would require monumental technological advancements, resources, and international cooperation. Currently, space exploration efforts are focused on developing more practical space stations, such as the International Space Station (ISS), as well as spacecraft that can transport astronauts and cargo. The idea of a space-based aircraft carrier may become more realistic as humanity expands its space infrastructure in the coming decades.
The modular build of ISS also provided a measure of safety being able to isolate sections.
I really like to here about the advancements in space stations. I believe we will have space stations around Mars and other planets/moons.Before we explore them.
"... secondly, AND ONLY IN THIS INSTANCE, does size matter." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
It should just be "spaceship hull type 001" and all the needs for exploration, long term stay, filtering, sampling, sensor, experiments, exercise, whatever, should be designed within the dimensions and lift load of the hull. As long as we keep the lift capacity the same or higher in the future and the dimensions of hull 001 the same, we can start serious movement as they can be placed in orbit with little to no modification and just work.
If those companies truly collaberate, the future would be altra amazing sooner.
Go SpaceX 👍
For one thing, you would not use 'Starship', you would use 'Starbase'
It would be constructed as a 'Launch Once' upper stage for the booster. Blunt on both ends with a top fairing to be discarded after launch, with passthrough hatches (docking ports) on both ends. Tank interior with additional bulkheads and hatches, secured open or closed as required for launch.
You would start with a core module that would have additional docking ports on the circumference, a larger diameter (12m?) and insulation like what was used on the Space Shuttle tank.
Launch additional modules without docking port on the circumference.
After you have two or three sticking out from the core module, start spinning the assembly ...
Misleading headline.
All they have to do is keep using the fuel tanks for fuel storage. That way in the future when they need fuel to go to mars the moon or beyond they already have a fuel station at the space station. 1+1=2
to be honest just make it longer if the interior stuff is made out of aluminum just make it super super super long
Proposals to reuse hardware for stations? Half a century ago, there was Skylab
Retrofitting Starship, to change the volume dedicated to propellant into habitable space might be a very challenging project but doing so would boost the development of orbital construction and manufacturing techniques! Imagine being the first welder in orbit, or the first plumber or electrician, stripping out the tank's common dome and replacing it with bulkheads, insulation, wiring, lights, and plumbing. It would be amazing to work construction, IN SPACE!
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I believe retrofitting is for old hardware. I am convinced that Elon musk will design a brand new type of starship. Why retrofit old hardware when you can build a new design?
@@DonPayne-vt9rq because Starship has these enormous cavities dedicated to fuel and oxidiser. Once the ship is in orbit, unless it's going to need that much propellant, the space can be reclaimed for storage, habitat, or workspace. It's not about old or new hardware, it's about using Starship as a space station rather than as a space ship.
But as I said before, doing the retrofit in space would afford the opportunity to develop techniques for welding, etc., in space. The point being construction in space rather than having to pre-build everything then launching it into space.
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🤔 Yes I see your point about construction in the space but we still have to get the materials up there or at very least we have to find the materials while being up there either way living on a starship could be pretty cool 😁👍
😅 without the header tanks for landing there are no down comers in the methane tank a bolted flange in the payload dome allows you to bolt an inflatable hab within the methane tank a bolted on panel on the common dome sealing the down comer gives you methane storage within the lox tank. Simples you can refuel & use the Raptors to make orbital adjustments. 😊
@@jackdbur Now that sounds interesting!
I'd thought about what if you ditched the raptors and replaced 'em with something else like a modest sized tank of xenon and a big VASMR thruster, but your suugestion is much simpler.
I don't think there will be any major problem developing a 1 up star ship space station. Once in space engines could be removed and replaced with oxygen storage modules just as an example. Wouldn't be hard at all to design the fuel tank system to be opened up with simple procedures. It's all got to be designed in to the craft. The design simplicity will allow for many types of space craft. The interior of the craft is what will make the difference.
Let's wait for their next steps
Hey your vids are great! Daily vids are awesome!
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Make the space station portion detach from the second stage feul and engine portion. Send the propellant and engines back to earth for re-use. Pretty simple.
The lower portion could also be sued as an orbital fuel tank. For moon and Mars missions to refeul at.
The Space station should be a Telescoping StarShip craft. It's many body will telescope out 40m. No wing or heat shield but covered with solar like the trunk from Dragon. Just the body will be 45m to 50m. Hatches on each side. 36 Trapezoid StarShip docked side by side will make a ring station and 12m ship will give 1g at 3.5rpm. All docking can be at nose and/or on the short side.
So if the Gravity Cable forcing the ISS to turn left at all times, ever snaps....will the ISS go flying off in a Straight Line??
Why not use the tanks as a fuel depot for other spaceship going to Mars?
Great suggestion
Fuel depots and people don't mix. An accident in the depot would kill people.
The NASA SLS could be repurposed to be a really fine chicken coop.
Wasteful to just discard the entire station, the solar panels at the very leasy should be recovered and added to whatever we put up there to replace it.
Boy, I’d really like to see Starship in orbit before we hype ANOTHER WAY it will shake up the space industry.
Multi day interplanetary missions ?. I'm very confused. What planet is just multi days away.?
Skylab itself was converted from a Saturn lb second stage of course launched by a two stage Saturn V.
So what do you mean?
Here's an idea for a video: Can the solar panels of the ISS be transferred to another station as a means to save capex?
Great idea
All cool, important stuff, but I think Mars is much more so
Sierra Space seems to be the most advanced, so far. Their inflatable modules have gone through vigorous pressure tests.
Yeah, they have good knowledge about building a space station
Vast looking pretty good too!@colonbina1
It comes with swimming pool and sauna. Unlimited cocktails and netflix prepaid.
They can have inflatable habitation attached to the Starship and shrink it down when the ship needs to return.
"Skylab 2.0". I hope it works out. Tired of N.A.S.A. spending huge amounts of my TAX MONEY on projects that are going NOWHERE !!!
Why not make the engine and fuel areas as being able to separate from the mid to upper section of Starship. Use those empty tanks as a fuel depot with several bundled together and then the top sections of the Starships being a building block for the new space station. Just a thought.
You can weld stainless steel in space
Very very cool 😎
Great Video ! A low Inclination LEO Space Station heading East from the KSC was proposed by NASA originally ! The 28.5 deg. orbit was used and is great to launch missions to the moon and else whare ! A space Station with a Fuel Depot nearby would be an economic powerhouse ! A South Pole Lunar Outpost/Base (Clementine Base) with a LS Fuel Depot nearby supported by the Lunar Water Ice ! This will bring down the cost of supporting the Cis-Lunar Economy ! Tim Lipinski
One challenge we have to master is building ans modifying stuff in space, the raw materials will be up there, so its not clever to send it down to earth, then back ip inot space. Just manufacture it in situ.
3:37 - why do you use slop cgi like these for any of your videos?
I mean if you wish to have half decent video at the end.
Too bad SpaceX isn't actively working on a real space station design. They could come up with something truly great. Using Starship as a station is a stopgap measure at best. But I'm glad to see that Vast has a solid plan.
Exciting, at long last hope for a station with artificial gravity. No more sponge baths and pooping into vacuum tubes
Repurposing an existing spacecraft for use as a space station is not unprecedented. In 1973, NASA launched Skylab which was made from the 2nd stage of the Saturn V which became available after the cancelation of the final moon landing missions.
S-4B was third stage of Saturn 5.
Well SpaceX could use it to get familiarity ith the system needs fr their big plans
need 6 or so in earth lunar orbit as a conveyor
How come when a Train or a car turns left even a little bit, everything is thrown off balance and out of equilibrium....but the ISS can turn left at even greater speeds, and keep turning left at high speed for hours and hours....but the footage shows everyone as if the ISS is moving in a straight line?
obv you never watched the interview where musk said that the only reason the rockets pointy is bc he saw it int he dictator movie
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He said the noes could be a flat square top and it would not matter
Which "Dictator" movie are you referencing to, SkillCapGames 42 ?
Years away from another space station.
As always, my fascination and loved 💜 in the SPACE.
I'll keep on dreaming someday, I'll tour in SPACEX soil and watch the actual lift-off.
Thank U. Have a nice w-ends ahead of us.
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Just keep Boeing away from it
Do they still have that snazzy beam-builder from Northrop-Grumman? Asking for a friend...
It's been a while since I've heard anything about this project. I'll look into it.
Jared owen inspired thumbnail?
honestly space x is 20x above in front of the world the USGAV should look at space x as its win simple:) ... pps i would love to work for space x aus :)
forget blue orgin who hasnt launched anything yet
Let's point out that even though their engineers not him we the citizens paid for it in grants from our tax that him and bord made billions in proffets and never paid one dime back to the citizens that paid for it
We also pay hundreds of billions for weapons, I prefer this. Leadership matters, just because you have some kind of weird personal issue with Elon doesn't mean his leadership has not made this happen. Many business have tried, and failed, to do what he his company has done. Go back to asking people if they would like fries with that.
Musk has paid back in the amount of money he has saved the tax payers. Musk .could have gone anywhere to dream his dreams. He choose to come here. I for one., am grateful he did. Its amazing to watch dream bloom in front of our eyes. His unconventional approach is no different than the extreme caution NASA uses. In the end, its the objective and its achievement, that is important.
I consider myself to be a pretty pessimistic and cynical person. But for the life of me, I cant seem to see past all the awesome that Musk and SpaceX have done, to find a negative associated with the compensation they have received from the tax payer. I find it hard to look at his multitude of successes, and then compare that to the daily reported colossal failures suffered by his competition, and not think somehow he might just be on to something. I also think making petty attempts at tarnishing his accomplishments by insinuating that Musk and his company were purely motivated by the acquisition of wealth at the expense of the tax payer, is completely laughable.
Voyager Space?
ELON has yet to get starship to low earth orbit. Are 6 starship really need to get to the moon? Saw NASA do it with one.
Starship's ultimate plan is to go to Mars. The Moon is a multi ship endeavor because of this and the mission is not designed to just get there and back, but actually go and work there.
@@jeolman1 that's the spin for tax payers money , he's not actually going to do it , 6 launches and 1 banana to not an orbit , get real !
Just leave the front 1/3 of the ship in orbit and return the rest. Just need to move the flaps back.
Sky lab2 space boogaloo.
Saw this on 12/15/2024 Are they REPEATING STORIES?
Nuclear Starship
SpaceX could have a space station up there tomorrow. And expended every month. Hope the new director on NASA recognizes this face! The space ship could easily modified to be a station. If the tanks were going to be modified they could easily prepared for this before launch. The speaker is full of bull manure about SpaceX!
Something I had never considered until recently is that a giant wheel in space while great to give gravity also means that the craft needs to support 1G forces. In that example you see a Starship mounted sideways on an arm. At that point it would be at 1G so the same as if if were mounted like that on earth. I don't think it's strong enough to do that. All of it's strength is along the vertical axis, not sideways. I think it would collapse or break in half without a lot of (heavy) reinforcements.
Some really cool stuff from Vast.
Where will the ISS land when the Earth's gravity takes over?
Pacific Ocean
Spaced has a contract to drop it into the ocean.
@@edwardmathieson8140 And, who shall I sue, when bits of it do not go into the ocean? 🤣
@@comicmania2008 NASA. It happens all of the time. But the odds of parts personally hitting you is miniscule. Much less than getting hit by a meteorite and that has only happened once.
Luxury space station ? Holiday inn express in space ..only 49.95 per night
Wow😲😲😲
Let’s go Vast!!!!