IMPORTANT UPDATE: With the course being released for a day or two, I've spoken to a few Twitch Partners with decent size streams who took the course, and also a few beginners who have taken it as well. The consensus seems to be, "The advice is fairly generic, and you can find it for free on a lot of other channels but the feedback section is very active" apparently Assistants encourage students to watch each others content and give feedback as we expected from the course write up, and it has encouraged students to watch their own VoDs back which a lot weren't doing. I stand by a lot of the video, I doubt it is worth the price tag, and at the end of the day I just want small streamers to make smart choices, if this helps you then brilliant, but I strongly encourage you to learn Self-Critique methods and spend time researching free content first. If the majority of the value of this course comes from the Feedback section, then I am concerned that this first wave will do well for attendance, and then every subsequent intake will be much lower attendance and therefore less "value". I will say, a few people have said I was "too harsh" or "Should let Creators earn money" so I will answer that, I appreciate and accept I might be too harsh in this video, I have spent the last 2 years working with Small Streamers actively in the Stream Scheme Discord, I feel proud to say that I am incredibly active in helping beginners and answering questions directly over there. The amount of "coaching" and "courses" I've seen take money from creators, and give generic or even dangerously bad advice has frustrated me. As an Educator, I feel we need to hold ourselves to an incredibly high standard, so seeing the structure and advice in the trailer for this course I was incredibly disheartened knowing it would sell to MANY beginners. I apologize if I was too harsh, as I said this was unscripted, and different to my usual content, I will work to be more constructive if I do content like this in the future. As for the feedback, "Should let Creators earn money" he is a Multi-Millionaire, and the people spending money on this course are likely NOT that well off, and certainly aren't Multi-Millionaires. As I say to all streamers and creators who build an audience, your audience likely earns less than you, be aware of that and be cautious. itbit.ly/JoinTheStreamScheme 🕘Timestamps: 0:00 Eljay Asks A Serious Question! 0:37 Who Is Ninja And What Is Going on? 1:27 How This 30 Day Course Costs $280USD A Year1 2:07 Why Ninja Thinks He Should Teach You To Be A Creator! 3:26 Ninja Proves He Barely Knows How Twitch Works! 4:42 What Do You Get For $280USD? 6:20 Ninja Tells Small Streamers To Follow 4 Follow 6:40 Why Peer To Peer Feedback Is Terrible! 7:40 Should You Spend Money On This Course? 8:25 Ninja Continues To Promote Support 4 Support 9:35 Ninja Again Just Tells People To Support 4 Support 10:42 Ninja Gives Crucial Branding Advice! 11:20 Ninja Tells You To Support 4 Support With Twitch Clips! 11:45 Is This Course Worth $280USD? 13:09 The Worst Part Of This Whole Course! 13:50 Why You Should Never Pay For Coaching! 14:40 Where To Get ALL Of This Information For Free? 15:50 The Most Important Rule When Learning To Stream!
Imagine spending years and years growing your Brand just to throw it away for a small amount of cash. Ninja will eventually lose everything and no one will bother watching him Live Stream or buy his products. There's more to life than having money, please have some self respect and learn from Ninja's mistakes. Loved this video Great job :)
@@CaptainJackedPickle I have learned what NOT to do with the case of Ninja's brand. See, I learned while streaming on Twitch that you are essentially running a business for your brand. You are the CEO of the brand and if there is something that tarnishes that brand, than it's less likely new, potential viewers/investors will come to you.
You do know some of these recommendations have paid courses as well right? Nothing wrong with paid courses. Lot less distractions than when on youtube. Courses cant guarantee views and subs but skills which will help people succeed. Shame ninja gave such terrible advice but no reason to knock paid courses.
@@SolarBang Nutty doesn't have paid courses, but I know Epos has sub tiers where he helps directly in discord (afaik) The difference is the amount of free content they also produce for people, in this industry sadly most of the paid courses are the same advice already out there being slapped behind a paywall. Depending on the information and how it is setup I know that paid courses can be effective learning, but I am yet to find one in this format that provides something that free content can't. We spent a long time here at SSN researching paid courses and coaches in our space after a few oppourtunities were sent our way, and we learned quickly the space is flooded with courses and coaches that should not be charging. It was disheartening to see. I should've been more clear on my opinion of paid courses, but as I mention in this video it is a new format, with no script, trying to experiment more. Hope that makes sense! Sorry if I was too harsh, very passionate about education and this space.
@@StreamScheme theres def a lot of garbage out there and Shane on any marketers pushing guaranteed results or viewer numbers. Its def hard to find legit courses. When you do though it's a breath of fresh air to not have random recommended videos distracting you and pushes for likes and subscribes and watch my other videos, just gets right to the point and teaches you skills, fundamentals, and a firm understanding of terminology and practice. Anyway man font take it so personal. Wasnt trying to rip you a new one. I'm a creator as well. I know the struggle. I wouldnt put you through that. I just wanted to point out eps and others have expanded content behind paywalls. In fact many creators do similar things on membership sites, patreon, subscribestar, etc.
I'm so happy someone said it. I saw this advertised all over and was thinking to myself this is the most useless course ever. Thank you for making this video and ALL of the videos you make that actually help people who are trying to get better at streaming and grow
Very different than we're used to here at Stream Scheme, but staying true to always being honest with your audience. I already feel sad for the kids that are gonna spend their hard earned money on this. I hope this blows up and keeps some of those kids from buying this course.
I am trying to experiment more with Thumbnails and content! Just making what I find interesting and care about! Hope it is interesting still! Hope you're well, Dezz! :) #earlygang
I think he's just targetting people who would only want to pay to hear the same stuff that everyone has been echoing pretty much. Sometimes even if many people say something, maybe it's the person that someone looks up to for them to actually ''listen'' even if it's a $240 price tag. Thanks for your feedback and bringing this up on your video as a topic. I think I learned a lot through Ludwig's video about RUclips / Twitch and how he grew.
I love that this wasn't just you saying it's bad, you go in depth and give real reasons as why people should be wary. Thanks for looking out for the little guy.
What about option number 3: Ninja is so out of touch that he legitimately doesn't realise that he just got lucky when streaming was a lot younger and that he has no clue what actually works.
this is just another example of big creators trying to make even more money, all the information you need is on THIS CHANNEL, thank you so much stream scheme!!
Great video, seen so many other streamers criticising him. I hate the whole calling out lurkers thing as someone with anxiety so they like to lurk and watch, putting me on the spot is an instant leave and never come back
Just because ninja was popular among young twitch viewers doesn't mean he knows what it takes to be a good streamer. Popularity does not make someone skilled at a task.
@@theoutsiderjess1869 I think he might not wanna share his “secrets” due to a weird belief of “they’ll become competition” so he just wrote useless generic advice. That or he just got lucky on twitch and tried to make a quick buck off his audience. Either way he’s a scumbag.
I’m not surprised that this masterclass was a crap-stew reduction, but most of Masterclass is this. They get a lot of big names to cram a lifetime’s worth of craft into a few hours of classes.
Honestly, Ninja’s class prolly sucks, but Aaron Sorkin’S screenwriting class, Chris boss’s negotiation class, Dan Brown, Joyce Carol Oates, David Mamet, Billy Collins, I mean I’m just saying $280 for a full class list is pretty cool. I did it for a year. I prolly won’t get it again for Ninja tho lol
As someone who took the course, it was nice because it actually prompted me to stream due to the "classroom" setting and because of the "homework" we were assigned (which is streaming). However it was a little disappointing that the advice given was very generic and it was stuff that I (and a lot of other course takers) had already knew and learned from free advice given by you and a bunch of other youtubers. I think one of the only other cool things was the TA's... they did a nice job of kind of saying what needed improvement or what we did well.
WOW! I actually saw that ad on YT the otherday and was shocked by this. So glad this is being covered by people like yourself. Its really bad and basically is riping off people into buying the dream and thinking they can become known by paying a course by Ninja. Its bad and needs to be stopped or taken down. Keep up the great work man
Eljay's fired up! Haha, thanks for this, I'm glad someone said something. It's sad that true beginners could easily fall for classes like this. Thanks for being there for us!
Thank you for making these videos (especially for free since I'm a college student with no money) and making them easy to understand. I've been following your tips and tricks for streaming as a small creator and I probably wouldn't have done a few things if it wasn't for your videos encouraging me to implement them (ex. talk even when you have no viewers bc you don't know when someone will join). I hope more people watch your videos because it's really good quality advice!
I'm halfway through the video, but this was an incredibly useful video and you were incredibly well spoken with amazingly valid points. Your points about peer to peer feedback being useless was glorious. Ninja is proof that you can succeed by being smart, first, or by cheating. Ninja was first, that doesn't make him smart.
@@StreamScheme Not out of the norm at all, it’s absolutely necessary. Like I mentioned elsewhere, F4F can be really hurtful. People should NOT rely on it to get to where they want to be. F4F communities are incredibly toxic, imo. When their only interest is gaining numbers, making real bonds with people tends to be rough. I watch your videos while working through my own things so that I can work towards having a community to engage and be engaged by! If the ‘friends’ I’ve made are only around to announce their streams then leave…? Oof. That shit sucks! So this vid may not be the norm according to some, but it is greatly appreciated!
I’m a newbie in the streaming world and will be going live very soon and I have spent the last 2 months learning everything for FREE. When I seen these advertisements I was shocked. Your videos are so helpful, and goes a long way! Keep it up ☺️
The only 'Master Class' that Ninja is qualified to teach is how to send a lesser known streamer to do a hate raid, and then threaten EVERYONE with a lawsuit afterwards.
Hey Eljay! I'm back since watching your tiktok algorithm video. And was implementing it the day after you posted the video. Nothing happened for the past few weeks. Then I uploaded a new tiktok like 3 days ago and it got 400 views! The following days got some consistent 200 views. But as of now my highest is 500 views! It's not 2.5M views(and ik it's still impossible atm) but it's a very great start for my channel atm. Thank you very much for releasing that video ❤️, it really encouraged me to upload more and plus joincombo was very very helpful!! I hope this is just only the beginning of my tiktoks getting recognized! Couldn't have done it without your videos help! Once again, thank you! 🥰
I'm glad you made this video. I was very tempted to buy the course but held off because of the price tag. I tried looking into the course a little better but couldn't find much. Like most things here on your channel you have definitely saved me once again from making poor streaming decisions
Oh! Having seen this talked about on the Stream Room podcast just a bit ago, I hadn't expected it to make it over here so quickly! Your passion for the subject of streaming and what can help small streamers is extra-evident here. I've said it and others have said it, but you can get all of this information for free! Free! The best possible price, especially if you're a beginner!
If it sounds too good to be true it probably is! I’ve learned so much and have grown just by following your advice with your RUclips videos! It’s always better to put the work in bc you know your heart is in it as well!
Content creators have officially jumped the shark when they dive into the “how to be as popular and rich as me” niche. It’s the classic “If I can get 10,000 people to give me $100, I’ll show you how to make a million with no effort.”
I think the worst part about this course is that He makes meeting other streamers and becoming friends with these people seem like a dodgy thing that you should only do for the views, I've met so many cool creators and I'd be destroyed if I found out these creators only became friendly to take viewers and solely boost themselves
Just seeing "Follow for Follow" in that thumbnail enrages me. I fell for this once with GuardianOutpost and his SupportSmallStreamers tag years ago during Destiny 1. I got followers, but not a lot of them came to watch. Granted I wasn't a good streamer back then, but the fact remains that it only supports the person that started the follow train. That is a mistake I will never make again.
this feels a lot like" well im a popular face in the industry and people are going to just roll over and follow it with out asking how this can attribute to any real growth personally "
This video had me rolling 🤣. This editing style is new, fresh and absolutely amazing! This masterclass was and still is an absolute disaster of an idea. Are people going to fund it? Yeah! Because it's Ninja! He's marketable! Listen, to anyone who is BRAND NEW, I highly encourage you NOT to buy this course. Go to RUclips, watch other streamers (Stream Scheme, Harris Heller, Nutty, etc.), take those tips and BUILD YOUR OWN BRAND. This is your journey, your decision, and most importantly it's FREE!! (Edit: I just now realized I jumped the gun a tad bit and realized Eljay covered everything in this video...whoops...😬)
I loved the video. I was like “Did he repeat 3 times the same course.” I am small streamer compare to others. However, I’m so happy with I have built on my 2 years of streaming. I start watching your guide in order to develop a more healthy community. So thanks so much for the tips. Also, 1 month over a year is not worth it. Also, I have learn that streaming doesn’t have a code. The code is you and your community
Love this looser style! Been watching you for a while but it's nice to see you laugh so much during a video. It looks like you were having a lot of fun while still giving good advice and being honest
I signed up for Masterclass because of this course, I have a descent idea on what I'm doing and though I'm not affiliate and my youtube here isn't connected to my Twitch and I won't mention what it is because I don't want to try to force followers because I'm not a jerk, but I figure I'll join the course and see how good or bad it really is and if I learn something useful I will, but I know plenty of people who stream successfully and not even full time despite people with smaller numbers doing it full time. But I have a buddy who does call out lurkers, and not the random unknown but someone they know and that they've interacted before so it's not a new person. So I appreciate this overview and I'll take my chances.
Honestly, report back! I'd love to know more, and I really want to know if there is information that isn't available for free. I suspect the course strength will be in the quizzes and homework but those lack if the advice is bad. Would love to know how it goes mate! I really hope it helps, I just have a lot of doubts sadly about the course.
@@StreamScheme Certainly I'll for sure report back. I figure it might have some useful info but we shall see only about 9 days till I can join up and try to do this, see what I can learn that I don't know (which isn't much given the content you have as well as others). But I'll see what kinds of notes I can write and gather.
@@StreamScheme So I've been in it for a day, gone through a bunch of stuff a lot of it I knew, some things though I was a bit surprised about, not that I didn't know them but was unexpected. His info about taking time off for yourself, having copyright free music in case there are dead spots where you are hyperfocused. camera tips, tips on what you need to stream including links to stuff on Amazon and his "you don't need to spend $4,000 like I did in order to stream successfully" Though he's not directly involved in the feedback the TA's that are seem to be pretty knowledgeable and it's not follow 4 follow, all they want us to be doing is watching bits of a few fellow streamers and providing things we see that they can improve or where they have things done excellently. Like one person had a starting screen without a timer that seemed to go forever, and people were commenting on that. Others had fantastic audio quality or webcam quality, some people had their webcam too small so we couldn't really see reactions. etc.. So far I don't feel like I wasted my $$$ on it, but until I get through it completely I won't know.
Plus he's talking about being genuine finding your own style, how to do just that. How to be more engaging with your viewers. The thing that may set it apart is the class participation, the feedback. I can watch all of your videos and add in anything I find useful, but if I don't realize that I've done something bonkers bad or weird I might not realize it, and if I don't have anyone watching a particular stream I'll bork up, like last night didn't realize my mic audio was f'd up. Went to share the vod with the class and heard it and was like dang, there went my beating of the game I played on stream.
@@midnightcaretakers7954 I'm glad you don't feel like you've wasted your money, and you've received something from it, I am pleasantly surprised! Sadly, I feel like nothing you've said so far (and my friend who also bought it has said) is worth the pricetag. You've mentioned the feedback, but technically you can get all of that for free as well from taking time to look back at your own VoDs, etc. But again, I am glad you've received something from it. :)
You nailed it; this'll only really sell to his fans who think "I wanna be just like him!" Or people who think that the only way to get "proper" advice is to pay a bunch of money for it. Boy, are they in for a rude awakening... I'm absolutely tiny at streaming but even I can see how much of a scam this is. I feel sorry for those who paid any money for this sort of thing. Hopefully they can get refunds!
Biggest problem when the bigger streamers who have been around since the beginning of twitch is that they got there growth early and then we're the most recommended streamers as twitch grew, this probably worked like 8-10 years ago.....
Just started my streaming channel recently thanks to all your channel's tips. I only have some friends tuning in to watch me so far but it has been fun. Still got a lot to learn but I so glad you're helping people for free
Thank you for sharing. I'm glad you said it outright in a light hearted manner. The full video was beneficial (as always) but the last 6min was kind of true and I'm sure many others agree and (I hope) had their eyes opened and it served as guidance/advice.
Hello it's me again, I was last on the tiktok algorithm video, I tried what was suggested and my tiktok vues have went up almost double! And so has my twitch followers as well! Until next time I wish you all the best!
What sad is that someone out there will believe every word Ninja says and actually pay for his "masterclass". Truly sad, that even Ninja has become your "typical" scammer that prey on the weak
I had followers start streaming and they either...come in for 5 minutes, then say...got to go now and stream, or they come in and complain that i dont come into their streams to watch them.urgh
I liked the video in the middle of it, then went back to finish it, and then again came to and check if I actually liked it at the end. I would liked it twice, if I could :)) Great content! Thanks!
The bad thing about lurkers is they don't fix us being boring. That's on us! I'm super new and I'm struggling with this, but I'll get there. I do wish I could get some honest feedback though.
Different type of video but I enjoyed it a lot more than the usual. Good stuff and I like the irony behind nearly everything you said to that „Masterclass“. Sounds more like a „Masterclass to Failure in Streaming“ to me. Keep it up 👍🏻
To be honest, if it won't cost you anything extra give it ago! It might be just what you need, I have a lot of issues with it, but if it technically not extra cost, why not hahaha
A couple of things strikes me about this course: (1) some of the videos are *really * short; (2) the whole thing, as you say, looks like something that was quickly knocked together by a marketing team that knows nothing at all about streaming except maybe a few basic concepts. (I used to work in marketing, I’ve seen a lot of this sort of thing.) His manager or someone like that probably did a deal with some marketing agency, they dangled a contract with a large number in front of him, he did maybe one meeting with them and then he sat in front of the camera and read their work. That doesn’t make him an idiot, that makes him a man who doesn’t look very far beyond the dollar signs lighting up his eyes.
To be fair, if your entire brand and career rests on your audience trusting your word, and being willing to buy or click the sponsored links, then promoting dodgy or even slightly bad deals because you can't look very far beyond the dollar signs lighting up his eyes.... does sort've make you look foolish. Granted this isn't terrible, but it isn't a good look with the social media fallout, and a premium course service like Masterclass won't like that attention because it reflects badly on their other courses.
@@StreamScheme I’d say cynical rather than foolish, but it comes to the same thing in the end. Sounds like someone is worried his brand is coming to the end of its natural lifespan…
Fantastic video. I've never seen that creators content before. And I pray I never have to again. They seem to be insufferable and insincere. If this video stops even one poor fool from falling for this con, it was worth making. Great job!
My first thought just hearing about Ninja making a master class made me think, how dated is his information? I mean it's been like a decade since he started streaming. The current standards for growing as a streamer today vs 10 years ago is vastly different mainly because of how saturated the streaming space is anymore.
I'm finding these videos sooner and sooner, I wonder if this means anything? Anyway, thanks for helping out the small streamer community, as always! :D
I was going to consider purchasing the course for the year because of Ninja, but might not. This video Changed everything. Thanks you honestly 🙏🙏 Does any1 else going to buy or not? I'm leaning towards not doing it 😕
Yeah don’t do it. You don’t need to pay for coaching, let alone Shite coaching. Learn by doing and when lost, learn from guys like Eljaye, Harris, or whoever your favorites are
@@jthvisuals__ thank you for your response, I thought about it and I will not be buying the course I can use skill share of course as well as other various RUclips videos that I haven't seen because I haven't watched all of them 🙏🙏
As the kids say: oof I dunno what you're saying Eljay, this is a 10/10 course for what not to do, you cant find a better course on what not to do ;) Love the balls to call this shit out, top tier.
A sad truth about why this will sell is that these young streamers and content creators are looking for a quick fix to grow as quickly as possible and the reality is that growth takes a while. The ones who blow up overnight are either extremely lucky, or it was a fluke and they can't maintain it.
I think I get what he's saying about supporting other people's streams. We have a lot of small streamers in my community and we all watch each other's streams and we have built really good friendships by doing that. Obviously there are the ones there that are more on the "take" side than "give" and don't plan on building friendships so those people filter in and out. We dont run a 4F4 we build relationships and friendshis and I think that is what Ninja is mostly saying. maybe... lol. Thank you for the video! I was wondering if doing a program like this would even be worth it lol.
Ninja became a massive success because he was amazing at Fortnite but then he let his fame get to him, he became a celebrity but his stream isn't revolutionary or particularly outstanding.
Exactly thank you so much! I've been listening to you and those you've named for almost a year now and I appreciate you all so much! FOR FREE! you guys are massive legends!
Technically it does only run 30 days, but you need to buy a subscription to the website for a year, I should clarify that better, I will take that on my end and be better next time as well for safety :)
This video was hard to watch. Eljay, I love your content. I do. I watch your streams, I watch your tutorials, I read your guides, and I enjoy them all. Your advice has helped (and continues to help) me a lot as a small streamer and I'm so very thankful. But I can't help but feel that this call out video is a bit malicious. We know the information in this 'Ninja Course' is... poor at best. But to sit there and laugh, call him a liar or a scumbag or whatever just feels wrong. I appreciate the comparative elements (eg, He said do x, but don't do that, do y instead, this is because z) but the laughing made me feel really awkward and I think you're better than this. Just my two cents, I guess. Thank you for the video, regardless
I appreciate that, Angelwolf, but this is a multi-millionaire with an audience of primarily children, young teens, and young adults who look up to him and want to be like him. He’s released a course preying on that idolisation, desperation, and promises results. I give him credit for what he has done successfully, and I wouldn’t criticise him if this course was focused on things I didn’t understand, or had real thought put into it. I’ll take responsibility and say that I found this funny while making it, and if I didn’t want you to feel this way than I should’ve done acted differently or reshot certain takes but it wasn’t scripted, and I was just being myself. If Ninja, a multi-millionaire, didn’t want people to see him as someone who is trying to make more money off an impressionable and desperate audience then he should’ve acted differently as well.
Btw I like this type of content. PSA style. Keep it up love the RUclips and live streams when I can randomly catch it. I like how you stream at a good hour for Canada on Sunday!
IMPORTANT UPDATE: With the course being released for a day or two, I've spoken to a few Twitch Partners with decent size streams who took the course, and also a few beginners who have taken it as well. The consensus seems to be, "The advice is fairly generic, and you can find it for free on a lot of other channels but the feedback section is very active" apparently Assistants encourage students to watch each others content and give feedback as we expected from the course write up, and it has encouraged students to watch their own VoDs back which a lot weren't doing.
I stand by a lot of the video, I doubt it is worth the price tag, and at the end of the day I just want small streamers to make smart choices, if this helps you then brilliant, but I strongly encourage you to learn Self-Critique methods and spend time researching free content first. If the majority of the value of this course comes from the Feedback section, then I am concerned that this first wave will do well for attendance, and then every subsequent intake will be much lower attendance and therefore less "value".
I will say, a few people have said I was "too harsh" or "Should let Creators earn money" so I will answer that, I appreciate and accept I might be too harsh in this video, I have spent the last 2 years working with Small Streamers actively in the Stream Scheme Discord, I feel proud to say that I am incredibly active in helping beginners and answering questions directly over there. The amount of "coaching" and "courses" I've seen take money from creators, and give generic or even dangerously bad advice has frustrated me. As an Educator, I feel we need to hold ourselves to an incredibly high standard, so seeing the structure and advice in the trailer for this course I was incredibly disheartened knowing it would sell to MANY beginners. I apologize if I was too harsh, as I said this was unscripted, and different to my usual content, I will work to be more constructive if I do content like this in the future.
As for the feedback, "Should let Creators earn money" he is a Multi-Millionaire, and the people spending money on this course are likely NOT that well off, and certainly aren't Multi-Millionaires. As I say to all streamers and creators who build an audience, your audience likely earns less than you, be aware of that and be cautious.
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🕘Timestamps:
0:00 Eljay Asks A Serious Question!
0:37 Who Is Ninja And What Is Going on?
1:27 How This 30 Day Course Costs $280USD A Year1
2:07 Why Ninja Thinks He Should Teach You To Be A Creator!
3:26 Ninja Proves He Barely Knows How Twitch Works!
4:42 What Do You Get For $280USD?
6:20 Ninja Tells Small Streamers To Follow 4 Follow
6:40 Why Peer To Peer Feedback Is Terrible!
7:40 Should You Spend Money On This Course?
8:25 Ninja Continues To Promote Support 4 Support
9:35 Ninja Again Just Tells People To Support 4 Support
10:42 Ninja Gives Crucial Branding Advice!
11:20 Ninja Tells You To Support 4 Support With Twitch Clips!
11:45 Is This Course Worth $280USD?
13:09 The Worst Part Of This Whole Course!
13:50 Why You Should Never Pay For Coaching!
14:40 Where To Get ALL Of This Information For Free?
15:50 The Most Important Rule When Learning To Stream!
Imagine spending years and years growing your Brand just to throw it away for a small amount of cash.
Ninja will eventually lose everything and no one will bother watching him Live Stream or buy his products.
There's more to life than having money, please have some self respect and learn from Ninja's mistakes.
Loved this video
Great job :)
@@CaptainJackedPickle I have learned what NOT to do with the case of Ninja's brand. See, I learned while streaming on Twitch that you are essentially running a business for your brand. You are the CEO of the brand and if there is something that tarnishes that brand, than it's less likely new, potential viewers/investors will come to you.
You do know some of these recommendations have paid courses as well right? Nothing wrong with paid courses. Lot less distractions than when on youtube. Courses cant guarantee views and subs but skills which will help people succeed. Shame ninja gave such terrible advice but no reason to knock paid courses.
@@SolarBang Nutty doesn't have paid courses, but I know Epos has sub tiers where he helps directly in discord (afaik)
The difference is the amount of free content they also produce for people, in this industry sadly most of the paid courses are the same advice already out there being slapped behind a paywall.
Depending on the information and how it is setup I know that paid courses can be effective learning, but I am yet to find one in this format that provides something that free content can't.
We spent a long time here at SSN researching paid courses and coaches in our space after a few oppourtunities were sent our way, and we learned quickly the space is flooded with courses and coaches that should not be charging. It was disheartening to see.
I should've been more clear on my opinion of paid courses, but as I mention in this video it is a new format, with no script, trying to experiment more. Hope that makes sense! Sorry if I was too harsh, very passionate about education and this space.
@@StreamScheme theres def a lot of garbage out there and Shane on any marketers pushing guaranteed results or viewer numbers. Its def hard to find legit courses. When you do though it's a breath of fresh air to not have random recommended videos distracting you and pushes for likes and subscribes and watch my other videos, just gets right to the point and teaches you skills, fundamentals, and a firm understanding of terminology and practice. Anyway man font take it so personal. Wasnt trying to rip you a new one. I'm a creator as well. I know the struggle. I wouldnt put you through that. I just wanted to point out eps and others have expanded content behind paywalls. In fact many creators do similar things on membership sites, patreon, subscribestar, etc.
I'm so happy someone said it. I saw this advertised all over and was thinking to myself this is the most useless course ever. Thank you for making this video and ALL of the videos you make that actually help people who are trying to get better at streaming and grow
I was losing it laughing when we found this over on the Podcast, honestly blew me away! I had to say something hahaha
Very different than we're used to here at Stream Scheme, but staying true to always being honest with your audience. I already feel sad for the kids that are gonna spend their hard earned money on this. I hope this blows up and keeps some of those kids from buying this course.
I am trying to experiment more with Thumbnails and content! Just making what I find interesting and care about! Hope it is interesting still! Hope you're well, Dezz! :) #earlygang
I think he's just targetting people who would only want to pay to hear the same stuff that everyone has been echoing pretty much. Sometimes even if many people say something, maybe it's the person that someone looks up to for them to actually ''listen'' even if it's a $240 price tag.
Thanks for your feedback and bringing this up on your video as a topic. I think I learned a lot through Ludwig's video about RUclips / Twitch and how he grew.
Thank you so much for bringing this to light. There seems to be an uprising of influencers/celebs trying to scam the very people that gave them a name
Eljay, how about a video on how to deal with negative youtube/twitch comments???
I covered in the video about hate raids :) and a few others, it’s not really worth it’s own video because the truth is that the advice is quite short.
I love that this wasn't just you saying it's bad, you go in depth and give real reasons as why people should be wary. Thanks for looking out for the little guy.
What about option number 3: Ninja is so out of touch that he legitimately doesn't realise that he just got lucky when streaming was a lot younger and that he has no clue what actually works.
Ninja Masterclass: $280
This video: Priceless 😎
Dude I am still laughing at that price tag and annual billing hahaha
this is just another example of big creators trying to make even more money, all the information you need is on THIS CHANNEL, thank you so much stream scheme!!
And Nutty, EposVox, GaelLevel, and so many other channels! Amazing advice out there! #earlygang
@@StreamScheme Do you think you could make some videos on how to go about editing twitch videos into RUclips content?
Great video, seen so many other streamers criticising him. I hate the whole calling out lurkers thing as someone with anxiety so they like to lurk and watch, putting me on the spot is an instant leave and never come back
As a lurker, holy balls I hate when people call me out by name to try drag me into the chat... I can't
I think it's more a way to keep you from growing so you can keep paying for his courses 🤣
As a former bodybuilder, i can tell you, you can see these types of scams in pretty much EVERY industry out there!!!
Yep! Every single industry has this, and they just drag the whole industry down.
@@StreamScheme I dont think it drags the industry down, but hurts the impressionable sort of people!
The fact you could get all this information and better on your channel is amazing.
And Nutty! Or EposVox, or GaelLevel! So many amazing creators making FREE content! It is wild hey? hahaha #earlygang
@@StreamScheme Nutty is the underrated goat!
I've talked to gaellevel, one of the nicest people ive met today!
@@StreamScheme One of the first Obs videos I watched was 25 minutes long and only showed specfics things about Obs.
There's so much to learn.
Just because ninja was popular among young twitch viewers doesn't mean he knows what it takes to be a good streamer. Popularity does not make someone skilled at a task.
Yeah but ninja has also been streaming for years he has years of experience to back it up that being said that streamer course is awful
@@theoutsiderjess1869 I think he might not wanna share his “secrets” due to a weird belief of “they’ll become competition” so he just wrote useless generic advice. That or he just got lucky on twitch and tried to make a quick buck off his audience. Either way he’s a scumbag.
It also doesn't mean he's a good teacher. Not everyone should teach.
I’m not surprised that this masterclass was a crap-stew reduction, but most of Masterclass is this. They get a lot of big names to cram a lifetime’s worth of craft into a few hours of classes.
Casey’s film production course does the same thing about peer to peer feed back. Just getting someone else to do the work.
Honestly, Ninja’s class prolly sucks, but Aaron Sorkin’S screenwriting class, Chris boss’s negotiation class, Dan Brown, Joyce Carol Oates, David Mamet, Billy Collins, I mean I’m just saying $280 for a full class list is pretty cool. I did it for a year. I prolly won’t get it again for Ninja tho lol
As someone who took the course, it was nice because it actually prompted me to stream due to the "classroom" setting and because of the "homework" we were assigned (which is streaming). However it was a little disappointing that the advice given was very generic and it was stuff that I (and a lot of other course takers) had already knew and learned from free advice given by you and a bunch of other youtubers. I think one of the only other cool things was the TA's... they did a nice job of kind of saying what needed improvement or what we did well.
“GRINDING (emphasized) thousands and thousands and thousands of hours” 5 seconds in was a fat red flag immediately 😂 only went downhill from there.
WOW! I actually saw that ad on YT the otherday and was shocked by this. So glad this is being covered by people like yourself. Its really bad and basically is riping off people into buying the dream and thinking they can become known by paying a course by Ninja. Its bad and needs to be stopped or taken down. Keep up the great work man
Great video! To top this off in a hilarious but predictable ending, I received an ad for Ninja's MasterClass right after finishing this video 🤣
I've seen a lot of "how to grow" videos and Ninja's class is just the most horrid thing I've seen.
The one time I watched Ninja’s stream he was just focused on the game, died, played RUclips videos and left
Eljay's fired up! Haha, thanks for this, I'm glad someone said something. It's sad that true beginners could easily fall for classes like this. Thanks for being there for us!
Would love to see more videos like this calling out the BS in the streaming industry. Great work eljay
Thank you for making these videos (especially for free since I'm a college student with no money) and making them easy to understand. I've been following your tips and tricks for streaming as a small creator and I probably wouldn't have done a few things if it wasn't for your videos encouraging me to implement them (ex. talk even when you have no viewers bc you don't know when someone will join). I hope more people watch your videos because it's really good quality advice!
I like how the pillow in the bottem left looks like it has the same hair as Ninja
I'm halfway through the video, but this was an incredibly useful video and you were incredibly well spoken with amazingly valid points. Your points about peer to peer feedback being useless was glorious.
Ninja is proof that you can succeed by being smart, first, or by cheating. Ninja was first, that doesn't make him smart.
Thank you for not just all of your helpful advice, but for being 100 with us. You help paint some realistic expectations, and I appreciate it greatly.
Glad to help! Hope this video wasn't too out of the normal!
@@StreamScheme Not out of the norm at all, it’s absolutely necessary. Like I mentioned elsewhere, F4F can be really hurtful. People should NOT rely on it to get to where they want to be. F4F communities are incredibly toxic, imo. When their only interest is gaining numbers, making real bonds with people tends to be rough.
I watch your videos while working through my own things so that I can work towards having a community to engage and be engaged by! If the ‘friends’ I’ve made are only around to announce their streams then leave…?
Oof. That shit sucks!
So this vid may not be the norm according to some, but it is greatly appreciated!
i would trust a twitter poll to name my baby more than i'd trust a ninja content creation course
I’m a newbie in the streaming world and will be going live very soon and I have spent the last 2 months learning everything for FREE. When I seen these advertisements I was shocked.
Your videos are so helpful, and goes a long way! Keep it up ☺️
The only 'Master Class' that Ninja is qualified to teach is how to send a lesser known streamer to do a hate raid, and then threaten EVERYONE with a lawsuit afterwards.
Hey Eljay! I'm back since watching your tiktok algorithm video. And was implementing it the day after you posted the video. Nothing happened for the past few weeks.
Then I uploaded a new tiktok like 3 days ago and it got 400 views! The following days got some consistent 200 views. But as of now my highest is 500 views! It's not 2.5M views(and ik it's still impossible atm) but it's a very great start for my channel atm.
Thank you very much for releasing that video ❤️, it really encouraged me to upload more and plus joincombo was very very helpful!! I hope this is just only the beginning of my tiktoks getting recognized! Couldn't have done it without your videos help! Once again, thank you! 🥰
I'm glad you made this video. I was very tempted to buy the course but held off because of the price tag. I tried looking into the course a little better but couldn't find much. Like most things here on your channel you have definitely saved me once again from making poor streaming decisions
Oh! Having seen this talked about on the Stream Room podcast just a bit ago, I hadn't expected it to make it over here so quickly! Your passion for the subject of streaming and what can help small streamers is extra-evident here. I've said it and others have said it, but you can get all of this information for free! Free! The best possible price, especially if you're a beginner!
If it sounds too good to be true it probably is! I’ve learned so much and have grown just by following your advice with your RUclips videos! It’s always better to put the work in bc you know your heart is in it as well!
This is why I watch Eljay XD He actually puts thought and passion into his content.
Content creators have officially jumped the shark when they dive into the “how to be as popular and rich as me” niche. It’s the classic “If I can get 10,000 people to give me $100, I’ll show you how to make a million with no effort.”
I think the worst part about this course is that He makes meeting other streamers and becoming friends with these people seem like a dodgy thing that you should only do for the views, I've met so many cool creators and I'd be destroyed if I found out these creators only became friendly to take viewers and solely boost themselves
My dm’s are purely just requests to give advice or feedback, even from partners around my size. It makes it very hard to make friends.
@@StreamSchemeHonestly feelsbadman, i guess a plus size about not being big is people come to you to be genuine and not trying to boost themselves
My favourite are the people on this one Facebook group talking about having 200 followers still trying to hit affiliate..
asking for more followers
Just seeing "Follow for Follow" in that thumbnail enrages me. I fell for this once with GuardianOutpost and his SupportSmallStreamers tag years ago during Destiny 1. I got followers, but not a lot of them came to watch. Granted I wasn't a good streamer back then, but the fact remains that it only supports the person that started the follow train.
That is a mistake I will never make again.
I don't think you were too harsh at all. You said what needed to be said
Pretty on brand for a guy who have their own character in RA!D: Shadow Legends.
this feels a lot like" well im a popular face in the industry and people are going to just roll over and follow it with out asking how this can attribute to any real growth personally "
This video had me rolling 🤣. This editing style is new, fresh and absolutely amazing!
This masterclass was and still is an absolute disaster of an idea. Are people going to fund it? Yeah! Because it's Ninja! He's marketable!
Listen, to anyone who is BRAND NEW, I highly encourage you NOT to buy this course. Go to RUclips, watch other streamers (Stream Scheme, Harris Heller, Nutty, etc.), take those tips and BUILD YOUR OWN BRAND. This is your journey, your decision, and most importantly it's FREE!!
(Edit: I just now realized I jumped the gun a tad bit and realized Eljay covered everything in this video...whoops...😬)
I loved the video. I was like “Did he repeat 3 times the same course.” I am small streamer compare to others. However, I’m so happy with I have built on my 2 years of streaming. I start watching your guide in order to develop a more healthy community. So thanks so much for the tips. Also, 1 month over a year is not worth it. Also, I have learn that streaming doesn’t have a code. The code is you and your community
Love this looser style! Been watching you for a while but it's nice to see you laugh so much during a video. It looks like you were having a lot of fun while still giving good advice and being honest
I signed up for Masterclass because of this course, I have a descent idea on what I'm doing and though I'm not affiliate and my youtube here isn't connected to my Twitch and I won't mention what it is because I don't want to try to force followers because I'm not a jerk, but I figure I'll join the course and see how good or bad it really is and if I learn something useful I will, but I know plenty of people who stream successfully and not even full time despite people with smaller numbers doing it full time. But I have a buddy who does call out lurkers, and not the random unknown but someone they know and that they've interacted before so it's not a new person. So I appreciate this overview and I'll take my chances.
Honestly, report back! I'd love to know more, and I really want to know if there is information that isn't available for free.
I suspect the course strength will be in the quizzes and homework but those lack if the advice is bad.
Would love to know how it goes mate! I really hope it helps, I just have a lot of doubts sadly about the course.
@@StreamScheme Certainly I'll for sure report back. I figure it might have some useful info but we shall see only about 9 days till I can join up and try to do this, see what I can learn that I don't know (which isn't much given the content you have as well as others). But I'll see what kinds of notes I can write and gather.
@@StreamScheme So I've been in it for a day, gone through a bunch of stuff a lot of it I knew, some things though I was a bit surprised about, not that I didn't know them but was unexpected. His info about taking time off for yourself, having copyright free music in case there are dead spots where you are hyperfocused. camera tips, tips on what you need to stream including links to stuff on Amazon and his "you don't need to spend $4,000 like I did in order to stream successfully" Though he's not directly involved in the feedback the TA's that are seem to be pretty knowledgeable and it's not follow 4 follow, all they want us to be doing is watching bits of a few fellow streamers and providing things we see that they can improve or where they have things done excellently. Like one person had a starting screen without a timer that seemed to go forever, and people were commenting on that. Others had fantastic audio quality or webcam quality, some people had their webcam too small so we couldn't really see reactions. etc.. So far I don't feel like I wasted my $$$ on it, but until I get through it completely I won't know.
Plus he's talking about being genuine finding your own style, how to do just that. How to be more engaging with your viewers. The thing that may set it apart is the class participation, the feedback. I can watch all of your videos and add in anything I find useful, but if I don't realize that I've done something bonkers bad or weird I might not realize it, and if I don't have anyone watching a particular stream I'll bork up, like last night didn't realize my mic audio was f'd up. Went to share the vod with the class and heard it and was like dang, there went my beating of the game I played on stream.
@@midnightcaretakers7954 I'm glad you don't feel like you've wasted your money, and you've received something from it, I am pleasantly surprised!
Sadly, I feel like nothing you've said so far (and my friend who also bought it has said) is worth the pricetag.
You've mentioned the feedback, but technically you can get all of that for free as well from taking time to look back at your own VoDs, etc.
But again, I am glad you've received something from it. :)
You nailed it; this'll only really sell to his fans who think "I wanna be just like him!" Or people who think that the only way to get "proper" advice is to pay a bunch of money for it.
Boy, are they in for a rude awakening... I'm absolutely tiny at streaming but even I can see how much of a scam this is. I feel sorry for those who paid any money for this sort of thing. Hopefully they can get refunds!
Damn this reminds me of that book he made. And I love how the entire time you are just dying XD
Biggest problem when the bigger streamers who have been around since the beginning of twitch is that they got there growth early and then we're the most recommended streamers as twitch grew, this probably worked like 8-10 years ago.....
Just started my streaming channel recently thanks to all your channel's tips. I only have some friends tuning in to watch me so far but it has been fun. Still got a lot to learn but I so glad you're helping people for free
"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become a villain."
Thank you for sharing. I'm glad you said it outright in a light hearted manner. The full video was beneficial (as always) but the last 6min was kind of true and I'm sure many others agree and (I hope) had their eyes opened and it served as guidance/advice.
Your videoa and guides has helped me a lot! Thank you so much for all the hard work you put into it!
Hello it's me again, I was last on the tiktok algorithm video, I tried what was suggested and my tiktok vues have went up almost double! And so has my twitch followers as well! Until next time I wish you all the best!
Would love a video going over other creators to follow in detail. Eposvox was a great suggestion!
Thanks for the idea!
@@StreamScheme no, thank you sir. Keep on creating - thank you.
What sad is that someone out there will believe every word Ninja says and actually pay for his "masterclass". Truly sad, that even Ninja has become your "typical" scammer that prey on the weak
I had followers start streaming and they either...come in for 5 minutes, then say...got to go now and stream, or they come in and complain that i dont come into their streams to watch them.urgh
Ha! Glad ya said it. Its sad so many people will in fact spend the money just because of the endorsement.
Love your content!
I liked the video in the middle of it, then went back to finish it, and then again came to and check if I actually liked it at the end. I would liked it twice, if I could :))
Great content! Thanks!
Have y'all got a DM about a lawsuit yet? Absolutely torched this course 😂
A very real worry hahaha
I really enjoyed this slight deviation from your normal content. I'd definitely welcome more if this is something you wanted to do more of
this channel and Nutty's were the gold mine when i started!
To be in the same league as Nutty is a dream
The bad thing about lurkers is they don't fix us being boring. That's on us! I'm super new and I'm struggling with this, but I'll get there. I do wish I could get some honest feedback though.
This is an awesome video. A great heads up. Thank you
Different type of video but I enjoyed it a lot more than the usual. Good stuff and I like the irony behind nearly everything you said to that „Masterclass“. Sounds more like a „Masterclass to Failure in Streaming“ to me. Keep it up 👍🏻
This video gave me a good laugh, thank you very much, I needed that ^^
I just got an ad about ninja's streamer course while watching a video about ninja's streamer course
Sounds like he is trying to sabotage small streamers, good video mate
I saw this advertised and all I could think is "how is 'be a twink with dyed hair' enough to fill out an entire master class?"
I literally just got an ad for this course during this video 😂😂
Awesome video thanks for calling him out. Keep up the great work 👍
I have Masterclass already and I was planning on taking this course. Thank you for making this video. I'd much rather watch your content.
To be honest, if it won't cost you anything extra give it ago! It might be just what you need, I have a lot of issues with it, but if it technically not extra cost, why not hahaha
“If I talk about my approach to steaming I’d be here for hours”……I’d watch that video, so…..next video topic??
As a Just Chatting and Lefty Political streamer, I can't WAIT to see those gameplay tips!
A couple of things strikes me about this course: (1) some of the videos are *really * short; (2) the whole thing, as you say, looks like something that was quickly knocked together by a marketing team that knows nothing at all about streaming except maybe a few basic concepts. (I used to work in marketing, I’ve seen a lot of this sort of thing.)
His manager or someone like that probably did a deal with some marketing agency, they dangled a contract with a large number in front of him, he did maybe one meeting with them and then he sat in front of the camera and read their work. That doesn’t make him an idiot, that makes him a man who doesn’t look very far beyond the dollar signs lighting up his eyes.
To be fair, if your entire brand and career rests on your audience trusting your word, and being willing to buy or click the sponsored links, then promoting dodgy or even slightly bad deals because you can't look very far beyond the dollar signs lighting up his eyes.... does sort've make you look foolish.
Granted this isn't terrible, but it isn't a good look with the social media fallout, and a premium course service like Masterclass won't like that attention because it reflects badly on their other courses.
@@StreamScheme I’d say cynical rather than foolish, but it comes to the same thing in the end. Sounds like someone is worried his brand is coming to the end of its natural lifespan…
I freaking love your vids, dude. This one is just priceless.
Fantastic video. I've never seen that creators content before. And I pray I never have to again.
They seem to be insufferable and insincere. If this video stops even one poor fool from falling for this con, it was worth making. Great job!
After hearing that the commenters are all getting Ninja's Course as an ad that maybe ON THIS video ... maybe it is just more advertising hahaha
Ninja. 4D chess master.
My first thought just hearing about Ninja making a master class made me think, how dated is his information? I mean it's been like a decade since he started streaming. The current standards for growing as a streamer today vs 10 years ago is vastly different mainly because of how saturated the streaming space is anymore.
Thanks for sharing. Subscribed. 👏
Always enjoy the videos, thank you!
I'm finding these videos sooner and sooner, I wonder if this means anything? Anyway, thanks for helping out the small streamer community, as always! :D
No worries! Hope the videos help, Lurakya!
I was going to consider purchasing the course for the year because of Ninja, but might not. This video Changed everything. Thanks you honestly 🙏🙏
Does any1 else going to buy or not? I'm leaning towards not doing it 😕
Yeah don’t do it. You don’t need to pay for coaching, let alone Shite coaching. Learn by doing and when lost, learn from guys like Eljaye, Harris, or whoever your favorites are
@@jthvisuals__ thank you for your response, I thought about it and I will not be buying the course I can use skill share of course as well as other various RUclips videos that I haven't seen because I haven't watched all of them 🙏🙏
As the kids say: oof
I dunno what you're saying Eljay, this is a 10/10 course for what not to do, you cant find a better course on what not to do ;)
Love the balls to call this shit out, top tier.
A sad truth about why this will sell is that these young streamers and content creators are looking for a quick fix to grow as quickly as possible and the reality is that growth takes a while. The ones who blow up overnight are either extremely lucky, or it was a fluke and they can't maintain it.
This is absolutely hilarious I can’t believe he did that lol
I think I get what he's saying about supporting other people's streams. We have a lot of small streamers in my community and we all watch each other's streams and we have built really good friendships by doing that. Obviously there are the ones there that are more on the "take" side than "give" and don't plan on building friendships so those people filter in and out. We dont run a 4F4 we build relationships and friendshis and I think that is what Ninja is mostly saying. maybe... lol. Thank you for the video! I was wondering if doing a program like this would even be worth it lol.
and you say do do at 14:11 hehe
Ninja became a massive success because he was amazing at Fortnite but then he let his fame get to him, he became a celebrity but his stream isn't revolutionary or particularly outstanding.
Exactly thank you so much! I've been listening to you and those you've named for almost a year now and I appreciate you all so much! FOR FREE! you guys are massive legends!
Ninja- teach you how to stream in 30 days...
Course runs a year.
Technically it does only run 30 days, but you need to buy a subscription to the website for a year, I should clarify that better, I will take that on my end and be better next time as well for safety :)
Definitely doesn’t seem worth the price tag when there’s so much more out there available for freeeee 😂🙌🏽🙌🏽
Right!?
This video was hard to watch. Eljay, I love your content. I do. I watch your streams, I watch your tutorials, I read your guides, and I enjoy them all. Your advice has helped (and continues to help) me a lot as a small streamer and I'm so very thankful. But I can't help but feel that this call out video is a bit malicious. We know the information in this 'Ninja Course' is... poor at best. But to sit there and laugh, call him a liar or a scumbag or whatever just feels wrong. I appreciate the comparative elements (eg, He said do x, but don't do that, do y instead, this is because z) but the laughing made me feel really awkward and I think you're better than this.
Just my two cents, I guess. Thank you for the video, regardless
I appreciate that, Angelwolf, but this is a multi-millionaire with an audience of primarily children, young teens, and young adults who look up to him and want to be like him.
He’s released a course preying on that idolisation, desperation, and promises results.
I give him credit for what he has done successfully, and I wouldn’t criticise him if this course was focused on things I didn’t understand, or had real thought put into it.
I’ll take responsibility and say that I found this funny while making it, and if I didn’t want you to feel this way than I should’ve done acted differently or reshot certain takes but it wasn’t scripted, and I was just being myself.
If Ninja, a multi-millionaire, didn’t want people to see him as someone who is trying to make more money off an impressionable and desperate audience then he should’ve acted differently as well.
Masterclass would be the ad I get when I watch this and it's even ninja pushing it imagine that
I just finished the podcast so it was weird to see this in my feed. Glad I get to learn more about it because the course seems.... empty
Had to cover it twice and push the pod with it hahaha Just so wild! #earlygang
Should I share tips on how to find hidden objects and read visual novels really fast?! 🤷🏽♀️😂😜
Thank you Streme Scheme 👏👏
Cant say how grateful I am that you make this content for free
Btw I like this type of content. PSA style. Keep it up love the RUclips and live streams when I can randomly catch it. I like how you stream at a good hour for Canada on Sunday!
That has GOT to be parity! It was so cringey! And what sucks are THOUSANDS will probably go buy it, and listen to him. >_>