JINZOU FAIYA! We talk about Idols! - Mint & Matara Podcast Episode 13
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
- In this episode, after having gone to an idol live together, Mint and Matara deep dive a little into the world of Japanese idols. Mint being a super fan and Matara not knowing anything at all, compare Kpop, Jpop, and western live show cultures~!
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My Oshi is Paul Stanley from KISS and he winked at me when he was flying, i lost my shit right there
For some reason I always forget this unbelievable podcast is a thing and them in the middle of my Monday blues I remember and then my day is instantly better. HAGS
YT made me rate your comment, sir. I rated it excellent. My apologies or congratulations, idk 🤷♂️
"I AM CUTE!!" *immediately starts coughing * 😂😂😂
"My oshi Trent Reznor" is a strong opening to the show ngl...
musical genius
“Mike Stoklasa is my oshi” Mint is my fuckin spirit animal istg
6:20 🥹 never thought I'd hear that voice again
Mintara Mondays,
A haiku, not poetry,
It's Snowing On Mt. Fuji
It was Metallica's guitarist, Dave Mustaine, and he went on to form Megadeth, so you had it close, Matara, but no dice 😂
Yep, if you watch Metallica history stuff, basically Dave Mustaine was an angry drunk while the other guys were just normal drunk…
Yes, I was immediately thinking Mustaine was who she meant.
Also on a related note, Marty Friedman the lead guitarist for Megadeth through most of the 90s moved to Japan in the 2000s and has had a fascinating Solo career since; turning out great albums like Music for Speeding and Tokyo Jukebox, having a TV show for a while, plus a bunch of collaboration work.
"Sue us but don't unsuscribe" - our oshi everyone
I think the person you're talking about is Dave Mustaine. He was originally the guitarist of Metallica, but he was kicked out. Afterwards he founded Megadeth.
This explains somethings.
Matara is a nightwish fan!! Hell yeah me too!!
The bit about Trent Reznor being Mata's Oshi is pure poetry
Never in my life did I think I would hear someone refer to Trent-Fucking-Reznor as their oshi. That said, the gap-moe of such a phrase is INSTANTLY endearing. Also hearing Mint bully Onibro is friggen hilarious.
I oshi a band called, Seven Kingdoms. They rock! I think they'd be described as Power or Speed Metal.
Zenith (it has a few pyramids on its cover) nearly every song is great from this album!
Just found em, but i dig em a lot!
The idol group of Theseus, if all the members are replaced one by one, is it the same group? And what if all the original members make a new group?
I CANT BELIEVE YOU SAW FINGER RUNS!!!! I’ve followed Mizuho (girl with goggles) for years through multiple groups. They are so good I’m so glad you love them too Matara!!! I haven’t finished the ep yet I just couldn’t stop from commenting
Matara you were right. It was Dave Mustaine who got kicked out of Metallica and then made the band Megadeth
The fact that I am alive at the same time as Mintara HAGS podcast is pure poetry. Truly blessed 🙏
Thanks for the podcast episode!
I've always been interested in idols, but I never took the time to check them out myself. Now, with vtubers kind of bridging the gap between the two communities a little, I feel like it's a lot easier for someone who's in to vtubers to get into idols.
I'll be going to Japan next month, so I'll check if there's any taiban going on!
"Guy resists falling into the idol rabbit hole, only to fall into the vtuber rabbit hole who then get him into idols. Like poetry."
it's summer now, HAGS!
Every time this podcast makes an appearance, my week is improved 🫡
11:52 Its pronounced: Nin J-om Pei Pa Ko. Its really good and addictingly smooth. Both attempts are good. just say Ko at the end.
Proper full on summer weather now ☀️
Have a good summer, Poetry HAGS 😎
- 0:11:19 - That cough syrup medicine is made from the loquat plant. 🌿🍒
- 0:23:35 - Japanese audiences may not openly cheer all the time, but that doesn't mean they aren't paying attention. 🤫
- 0:34:24 - Differences in performers speaking directly to the audience. 📢
- 0:36:15 - Some J-pop idols aren't afraid to really exert themselves, even when in full costume. 🥵
- 0:42:54 - Limits on underage J-pop and K-pop idols. 🕙
- 0:44:17 - Changing members in K-pop groups is less common. 📉
- 0:44:47 - Mint would be interested in being an idol named Yeti. ❄
- 0:47:16 - Applying The Ship of Theseus to idol groups. Such philosophical poetry is the secret behind long-lived companies. ♾
- 0:49:22 - But, Mint doesn't like that idea. 😅
- 0:52:31 - Mint's thoughts on the reasons behind the decline of J-pop groups like AKB48. ⬇
- 0:54:01 - Over-reliance on the most popular unit can be detrimental for the rest of the group when the core members depart. 🔚
- 0:59:21 - Matara's view that a member who leaves may also possibly strengthen the group. ⬆
- 1:08:30 - Matara talking about dealing with negative feelings in a healthy and constructive manner. ❤🩹
(Compare this with her other advice given two months earlier: ruclips.net/video/1VxX7rGnAJA/видео.html ) 📈
- 1:20:22 - Mint's belief that idol groups are better off if they keep the members together. 💕
- 1:21:56 - Matara's thoughts on the reasons behind BTS' meteoric rise. 🎶❤🔥
Thank you for the podcast, Mint and Matara! 🌿👻🪳
When my kami oshi left her group, it just felt sad to continue being a fan of that group because I couldn't enjoy the others without just being reminded of the sadness. But this episode felt like I was reading some great poetry.
My oshi is Robert Plant from Led Zeppelin. His voice and songwriting mesh perfectly with the melodies and have captivated me since my highschool days. Even after all these years, their album Houses of the Holy is my favorite album (followed closely by Gorillaz - Plastic Beach). Just listening to the first song of the album "The Song Remains the Same", one can really see why they have such a dedicated following. Anyway, just wanted to express my devotion, my red hot passion for Led Zeppelin and their iconic singer. Thanks for the stream and HAGS!
This reminded me of a show u should finish "OshiBudo" or If my Oshi ever went to the Budokan. Many things about the underground idols seems to be reflected there from the fan pov to the idol pov. Very interested. It is like.... poetry... in many places. Very fun show as usual I hope I'll be able to catch up to the latest episode before it ends.
FROM A KPOP FAN FOR 5 YEARS :
STAN ZEROBASEONE(ZB1)🩵🌹 💙🌹🩵🌹💙🌹🩵
7:42 I find it funny the kpop equivalent of dakimakura is a cardboard cut out of their favorite member🧍♂️
16:13 Theres alot of stuff going on at the kpop venues, theres merch and merch freebies that the fans have made and you can see people doing dance challenges and trading photocards
19:30 In kpop there's something thats kinda similar like that but its an award show like mcountdown, music mank, show champion and Inkigayo and its for groups to promote their new comeback (and another thing kpop idols are the MCs for these shows and a member of my ult group Zerobaseones Sung Hanbin is the mc for mcountdown and since his representative emoji is a hamster so he is called a Hamc)
21:40 In kpop thats called a solostan, they are known for being toxic and weird so people grown to REALLY dislike them and bias is different, you like a member more then other members but still being OT(whatever how many members in the group) but solostans are different they dont care for for the other members besides one member
(also theres been some recent drama in the TXT community with yeon1uv for being weird and being a solostan)
22:15 Reminds me of the H.O.T vs SECHSKIES fight that happened in first gen
26:00 In kpop we have unique lightsticks for a group but i guess theres group colours like for NCT its green and for ZB1(Zerobaseone) is blue but never assigned colours for the members
(we assigned animals to the members its like oshi marks)
42:54 for Idols under the age of 19 they can’t stream past 10pm
And a funny thing is for ZB1, they were formed by a survival show so when the finals came around to see what contestants get to be in the group, the announcers had to go quick for the 9th member(Han Yujin) to be announced because he was a minor since in was gonna be 10 soon.
Also something super cute for the same group, when it was award season and one of the award shows was on new years and all the groups were on stage counting down to the new year
But Yujin had to be left behind at the tables,and his groupmates were at aged to be on tv but they decided to stay with their maknae(the youngest person in the group) Yujin. So thats why ZB1 wasn't in the group photo for that award show even tho they were there
47:17 It was more common to see for kpop groups to replace members in earlier generations like Brave girls
1:05:44 she was once a star now she's hated by the whole kpop community (dating a guy that was in the burning sun scandal and if you don't know what it is i recommend a video that stephanie soo (rotten mango) did on it)
1:06:09 i love suzy’s song I love you boy
1:12:45 actually Kim Jiwoong from ZB1 was actually was in 3 other groups before zb1.INX and ATEEN that the companies treated him and his members horribly and B.I.T had to disband because of lack of promotions so he started to do acting and that is were he got fans from his roles in BL dramas
so he joined boys planet to continue his dream to be an idol (thinking it was his last chance since hes was an older guy) but then he debuted and his group Zerobaseone gained lots of popularity and success and when award season came around and they attended MAMA(Mnet asian music awards) his group won 3 awards so they posted it on instagram to show off their achievements and one of the members of jiwoongs old group said “thank you for achieving my dreams” or something like that
so Jiwoong won his first roty(rookie of the year) after 7 years also his group winning after 4 months of being active
Also sorry if there was any typos
also my pfp is Kim Taerae
I loved hearing about both of your passions for live music and how much Matara enjoyed seeing an idol live! I've so far only been able to see "true/professional" idols live once, and in the US no less, when BPM15Q performed at AWA 2022. I enjoyed the music and figured I liked idols well enough before then, but the impact of seeing it live was totally different, they both had titanic stage presence (which is funny given both nicamoq and rinahamu are quite tiny) and I was just completely taken by it. It's funny hearing Mint talk about how the real crazy wota stuff happens in the back, when I'm super used to the most energetic parts of the crowd (and not just moshing) are near the front. I wonder if that's any different at chika shows that get rowdy and have stage diving?
Anyway, I could write poetry about how much I love live music and seeing other people getting excited about, and how I've fallen in love with bands I was lukewarm on before after awesome concerts, but I'd really love some day to hear about your favorite or most memorable live show experiences!
Welp, I now have something to listen to while working
Hello M&M, long-time listener, first-time commenter XD
To answer Matara's question about "band switching" and Metallica - originally, Dave Mustaine was a guitarist for Metallica, but before they even released their first album "Kill 'Em All", he was ejected from the band for his, uhm, inebriated antics. He still was credited for a few songs on that album, as well as two more on their second album, "Ride The Lightning"; the most famous one being "The Four Horsemen", from which Mustaine then reprised its "main riff" and accelerated it to create the song "Mechanix", which was featured on Dave Mustaine's new band's first album, "Killing Is My Business... and Business Is Good!". That band being... Megadeth!
So you were in the right ballpark all along, but the details were eluding you. Hope it helped quench your thirst for knowledge, and as always, HAVE A GREAT SUMMER!
Edit:
Funny that Mint mention DD's as being a part of the vtuber space now. I'm glad it's starting to be less negative in the idol industry. Currently I think it's still kind of a negative term in some vtuber circles and fans. Even I have an Oshi who treats her most loyal fans diferently from DD's. She just thinks people who only have her oshi mark and follow her should be put to a different standard. I dont know... it's interesting for sure.
I know already that this episode is gonna be full of awesome yapping about cute girls and their music!
HAG LOVE
Mata, I think you would really like Baby Metal! They are this mix between Metal and Idols.
Their song Monochrome is REALLY good, and they have a beautiful acoustic version they filmed with "The First Take." Also "Chocolate" is one of their really popular ones from back when they were teenagers.
I always hit my weekly Red yt button to get my early week dosage of Mintara.
1:22:45 I've been a Vinesauce viewer for a VERY long time. Started watching Vinny in like 2012 with corruptions clips. Was off and on for a long time but been a consistent viewer of him and Joel since 2017. I didn't actually know about Limealicious for all that time, but once she got a Vtuber model I started watching her too. There was a clip of Vinny talking about it. And now, through Limes, one of my favorite Vtubers is playing games with Vinny, and another of my favorites is being roped in here too. It's trippy, I never would have expected this, and it makes me smile like an idiot. Thank you Matara and Limes!
The poetry bit in the middle was a nice touch! Can’t wait for next week!
as someone who is close to poetry its really cool to see Matara talk about other poets . 👍
I recommend the anime "If My Favorite Pop Idol Made It to the Budokan, I Would Die".
Many idol anime showed the idol's story but this one is more about the fans
Watching these two interact is true poetry.
I just started becoming aware of vtubers less than a year ago. Still don't understand the fandom, terminology, etc. The subjects talked about are things i don't know anything about. Basically, i am not the target for this podcast and probably the oldest person leaving a comment. Having said that, I love this podcast and would be glad if it continued after summer. I really enjoy the two personalities.
Thanks for the episode! Poetry is good to read once in a while!
I love how i never comment on these things its just kinda crazy how vtuber and idol culture is so similar but the benefit of vtubing is more that you get to use any creative outlet to express yourself like poetry or history or just general stuff it's awesome
You two mentioned idols that were more like a rock or metal group but also mixed it with more cute things and one of the groups I was introduced to this year was HANABIE. Just going through their stuff has become one of my Monday habits (especially Be the GAL since it's a summer-themed song and my head relates it with the podcast).
The way the group can switch the rhythm and vibe multiple times on a single song is like pure poetry, or like a full concert perfectly packed on a single song.
yeah, they're fun
My µ's Oshi is Kotori Minami
Never took the dive into JP idols proper but do watch and follow Love Live. After this episode though i might take a peak down that rabbit hole
So happy I am close to somewhere in the US that I can have this idol culture nearby, idols are so magical!
Man I absolutely love poetry. Gets me going
Purely
Outstanding
Entertainment,
Truly
Rad
Yarn
It has always been hard for me to get into idols despite loving the idea, the language barrier made it hard for me. Hearing all this is so helpful. Non Sweet is a Kaigai idol group I have gotten into, I love their songs so much!
This episode was so fun omg, and the poetry verses matara was reading were very cool! This podcast genuinely boosts my mood whenever i listen to it!
The idol group of Theseus. Is it the same group if all of the members have been replaced?
Hearing you hags yapping for two hours every Monday is like poetry for my ears. I'm gonna miss this podcast when it's gone.
GIDLE mentioned - peak episode
Y’know, the darker colors with pink could actually work for you Matara. If you ever do get another model, you could have bright pink on the underside/inside of the wings/hair, and the darker colors everywhere else, with maybe the occasional bright pink highlight. Kinda like the cockroach girl from jungle juice
Oh, ahem. “Red”. Or was it poetry??
I'm definitely of the mind of supporting specific talents, and not just the group as a whole. This applies even to the way I deal with corpo VTuber agencies, as well. Because, at the end of the day, those groups or agencies are in it for acclaim and money... more often than not, their talent is just a cog in their machine, which they can just continue replacing. And besides, it is inevitable that there may be individuals in that group you either don't like, or even outright despise.
My favourite band from Japan is band-maid
I’ve never been to a proper idol concert, the closest would have been BabyMetal, but it was here in the states, so definitely not the same vibe. My Oshi band is Okkervil River! They are not very well known, but the lead singer/songwriter is one of the best lyricists of our time. Their music is poetry! Absolutely would recommend.
I just finished the last episode because of a busy week this last week and now im watching this one y'alls podcast always makes the day better, loved the opening! ITS OFFICIALLY SUMMER TOO!!! 🙏
52:00
"I mean it worked for AKB"
"well until... it hasnt"
lmao😭😭
I think of groups with graduation sistem as like sports team where you keep rooting for the same side even if old players leave, but it doesnt work quite as well if you dont promote new idols for the fans of the idols that are leaving. and even if you do it some ppl only follow the group because of their oshi and if she graduates they also do. Nogizaka and Morning musume are still doing well even withouth all of the original graduated, but they are not as popular as they used to be. I think the sistems still works for big groups, but 5-12 member groups should just stay with a fixed line up
As far as the crowd not cheering for everyone and only for their Oshii, I wonder what the idols think of that.
I could see it actually being kind of nice because you can clearly see who in the crowd is there specifically for YOU and who isn't. But IDK, I guess I can see how others might feel upset if they don't see anyone cheering for them.
I would feel so shitty to be the member with nobody cheering for me, so i would want to cheer for every member so nobody feels left out
"Mike Stoklasa from RedLetterMedia is my oshi" is a line not even the greatest poetry writers in history could conceive of.
In my mind's eye I can hear him saying "Rich, this cartoon called me an oshi... I don't know what that means"
Thanks for the stream! 💚🤍🩷
Doomers spitting bars in poetry lol, typical but it never gets old. Idols are really fun! Hopefully it becomes easier to see shows, I know Mint talked a lot about how hard it can be especially for foreigners.
HAGS!
this was such a fun episode!! i started to get into fruits zipper, cho tokimeki sendenbu, and pandadragon because of tiktok when before i only learned of new groups through youtube or other friends so tiktok has definitely changed the idol scene!! i want to go to an idol live the next time i go to japan!
Great episode, as someone who learned of idol culture entirely through vtubers it's very interesting to learn about japanese idol culture directly and see how it has mixed with western fan culture to make the tendencies i see in vtuber culture
49:00
Ship of Theseus paradox
Thanks for yet another great episode. Every Monday night I get to enter HAGS mode. Hey, to meme-quote George Lucas: "it's like poetry, they rhyme".
I've had such a fun time listening to these , and hope , that when this finally ends , it just rolls into a new podcast called Mint and Matara's Fall Special, followed by Winter
I was a longtime AKB fan and finally stopped following them when my oshi (non Kami 7) left, I also still like some of their songs but it's just not the same anymore. So I definitely agree with Mint on that aspect, although I think this might be something that's more common in jpop idol fandoms. The Western j-idol community has always been small and close knit, especially among girl fans so sometimes I wonder if I've interacted with Mint at some point in another life lol.
I didn't expect a poetry reading in this episode. I enjoyed it.
47:28 The Idol group of Theseus?
Thanks you for the podcast! I am not very late this week!
I listened to your podcasts about anime con and everything. I felt like I should gather my courage (and money) to go see my oshi for once. and I did it! I got a shiki (real) from my oshi too! Thank you for sharing your experience with us!
I started using idol terms despite not following them super hard because of vtubers.
Motifour from Tricot is my guitar oshi, she's so cool and talented!
its Pretty fun reading the cOmments while listEning to the podcasT and trying to figure out what's the word foR the week! happY mintara monday!
talking about girl groups and roles and breaking gup and comebacks, I hope they check out the sitcom show Girls5Eva
100% When a member leaves it could be creative differences entirely, they don't vibe with the new direction and the sound of the band changes entirely. The difference between being in a band and being on tour with the band for 10 years, you just straight up get sick of people sometimes. Like they pick up new habits, get addicted to things and the classic; not a song writer but decides to pick up poetry and tries to get it featured in the next album.
On the topic of the Ship of Theseus idol groups, this comparison might be off-base because I’m not really an idol fan, but I know of a Western group that does do this that might be helpful as a mental frame of reference to think about these different idol groups: Celtic Women. Then again, they also don’t make the group about the individual women themselves but *the group*, like a smaller-sized chorus group.
When Mint started talking about pei pa koa without fully describing it I just knew what it was!! I thought the reference was gonna be linked to Zayn since he recently brought it up in an interview too. 😂Fortunately the pronounciation is not butchered because the spelling has become westernised. In Chinese it's pipagao.
Thank you Mint for the insight today!! From someone that's not very informed this episode is incredible to learn a about idols.
To me it's commendable to dedicate yourself to the whole sphere of strellato and what comes with it.
The work, the effort that is not always rewarded would be in my eyes when I look up but not many stop to admire. And I'd genuinely hope, when they get popular, to get the chance to apologize for not being earlier with them.
Your previous life is past,
but here a new life starts!
I promise no tomorrow,
because today will always last
and since each day is the same,
there will be no longing for the past.
HAGS
This was a fun ep and good topic to delve into! The tangent about poetry was nice, I like I haven't read any since uni.
I also swear by that cough syrup it is magic
this was such a fun podcast, i know more about K-pop idol culture, so its really fascinating to hear how the Japanese idol scene is like. this podcast was pure poetry!
My oshi trent reznor 😭 I'm ngl I knew very little about idols coming in and after listening I still don't think it's for me but I have SO MUCH respect for the idols and wish the best for them!
Thanks for the episode and hope everyone has a good week! HAGS
Each of these episodes brightens my day every week. It's been a troubled time today- in both scheduled and unscheduled ways. Bah, emergencies. Thanks for doing so much for us fans.
And it would be delightful if you read some cool poetry you like for us sometime.
As for the question of following individuals versus the group when one person leaves- I haven't really followed any musical group in that way yet. But for vtubers- I think I'm a bit of a "follow my oshis out the door" person. Maybe if a group or corpa has proven it's still a good place, and there aint bad blood, and they still have the same vision of what success sounds like, I'd look in on talents I hadn't watched before except in collabs, or take a chance on new ones. But I definely watch for the individual vibes people cultivate.
best start into the week, this podcast is a godsent for me
My favorite idol group NIN 🤩
Never really got into idol stuff beyond some songs and more or less related stuff like some anime and vtubers, but hope I might get a chance to go to some small idol concert next time I'm able to go to Japan, would really like to experience it at least once.
megadeath singer and guitar player, dave mustane, was in Metallica.
Ninjiom getting popular around the Vtuber circle is so wild to me as a Hong Konger lol.
For us it used to be just another "Old Man's Chinese Medicine"
We take it if we get a sore throat but some don't like the taste. Now its the most iconic Hong Kong export (which admittedly we hardly have any). Its so wild lol.
here's one of my favorite poetry:
Life didn't give you lemon, WE MADE THEM OURSELVES.
59:17
sometimes... I think
Damn mata knowing about night wish makes me feel old😂
Red, red never changes, or does it? Find out next episode of Mintara summer special!
Mint settles the age-old philosophical debate of Theseus's idol group. Also, I learned that Japanese idol groups are like Power Rangers.
Thanks for the episode! Listening to you guys talk about idols felt like poetry. Thanks for introducing me to some new groups!
1:00:18 I don't follow idol groups, just tuber comedians XD, but I did start watching Josh from Lets Game It Out after Anthony left and the channel blew up. I can only imagine how gut-wrenching it might be for the members that leave before success. Would it be as if your imposter syndrome is being validated?
Matara has an edit of for a lime kiss instead of a mint kiss? Girl's making a Mojito harem
this episode was pure poetry :)
We need fanart of Matara's Trent Reznor cheki at her streaming desk
I'm one of those normie rock guys but if I had to land on a musical oshi in that sphere, it'd be Alice in Chains. Yep, grunge rock. Even though they stayed in that rock wheelhouse, they were always experimenting with a lot of styles within it. A mix of hard rock, melodic poetry, and they harmonize SO MUCH in their music. I still remember where I was when I heard the news that Layne Staley had passed (RIP legend). William DuVall, the guy they eventually landed on to take over lead vocals, has been filling the shoes pretty well and the music style hasn't changed (which is rare in lineup changes).
I think the industrial band that really embodies the whole idol revolving door thing is Pigface. Literally an industrial genre supergroup that even had Trent Reznor in it.
At this point I don't even know what the secret word is anymore; was it cheeki?, was it red? was it red cheeki? this endings are pure poetry.
Thank you both for another great ep. Y'all make my week so much better
Thank you for this podcast!! Good napping time while listening to this episode.