Werner Herzog Compares Wrestlemania To An Ancient Greek Drama | Conan O'Brien Needs A Friend
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- Werner Herzog explains why he refers to himself as "The Great Defender Of Los Angeles" and why he enjoys watching reality TV.
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The way he says " Here comes honey boo boo" was amazing and you can see that Conan did not expect that.
7:05
Happy birthday, honey boo boo meme 🎉
Herzog's body movement at, "Boo Boo" is why I came to watch this after listening to the podcast.
No one in the entire world was expecting that!
No one expected that 😳
It starts with psychoanalysis being utterly to useless and ends with a full blown love letter to Wrestlemania. Insanity. Also skating.
I'm not a type of person to get psychoanalysis myself but for him to say it has no value seems a bit ridiculous. I mean if nothing else it allows people a chance to talk through traumatic events with an outsider that they might not feel comfortable talking about with someone that's so close to them.
@@joemckim1183 Doesn't help to talk to a stranger, make some friends and confide in them or you'll collapse into a black hole. No way around it. Therapy never never helps and only gets you hooked on drugs and killed.
@@boomshroom5118Nonsense.
@@boomshroom5118well… that’s a bit of a stretch.
@@joemckim1183 That's actually not what he said - if you listen to his words carefully, he lays out his case and its an interesting point. But you need to bear through it, to get what he means.
I love how Werner refers to Linda McMahon as Vince's "alleged wife" 🤣
I mean, he's spot on 😂😂
Bingo! Legally lol
I knew right away he was talking about THAT specific storyline with Vince and Linda in 2000 LMAO
And referring to Vince as “the owner of the franchise”
Linda is still technically married to Vince but their relationship has been not much more than a business relationship for several years you'd have to think.
The anecdote Werner is talking about regarding wrestling is Wrestlemania X7 in 2001. If you are a wrestling fan, you know this to be arguably the greatest show of all-time.
One match in the show involved Shane Mcmahon vs his father, WWF owner Vince Mcmahon. Vince had his wife drugged andnput her in a wheelchair to watch him beat up their son. The end of the match involved Linda, the wife, rising out of the wheelchair to kick her husband in thebfamily jewels to an absolutely THUNDEROUS ovation. It is both the highest and lowest form of entertainment at once.
He didn't drug her, she had a nervous breakdown because Vince started an affair with Trish Stratus
Vince used that to medically gaslight her@@ShadowAngel606
Don’t forget, there was also a running bit where a one legged man would taunt Vince and eventually he took his walker and like...sped off into the night at the end of a show
If Werner Herzog were to do an impersonation of Bill Hader doing an impersonation of Werner Herzog it would sound exactly like he said, "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo"
“Therapy is a mistake.”
This interview brought to you by BetterHelp!
For real lmaoo
It isn't if you need it though, although I do kinda understand where he comes from, especially the yoga part for 5 year olds.
@@al112v4oh it’s definitely self indulgent sometimes, but I can’t agree that “it hasn’t done anyone any good”
Better help has paid off millions of dollars of college debt for at least 12 psychology majors. That is the going rate for a degree in this American capitlistic hellscape, no?@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat
People are going to deeply regret sharing their personal mental and emotional issues to some online stranger, and sooner than they think. It begs for invoking red flag laws to trample their rights.
This just goes to reaffirm that WrestleMania XVII was a masterful piece of art.
Amen!
wrestling peaked at WM 17.
you catch wrestlemania 40? night 2 was epic!!!
Damn right son
His love for America literally brought tears to my eyes. I had to pause for a moment. Such a great man and master artist.
Werner Herzog confirmed as playable character in new Tony Hawk Pro Skater
I actually had to check lol. You never know with Werner.
This guy gets it - wrestling is an outlandish form of social commentary! Especially from the 80's to late 2000's, as those guys were doing something that had never been done, and they truly came up with it as they went along! They participated in some great satire and parody of society and popular culture - which is why if you watch the interviews of guys like Hogan, Stone Cold, The Rock, Kurt Angle, Triple H, Jericho etc - you see some really astute minds.
Ironically, the most astute of them are the ones who got out of the business before injuries and addiction destroyed their minds and bodies. The Rock had the sense to get out when he did. Hulk Hogan was in the game way too long.
The Iron Sheikh.
@@playedout148Yarp-Yarp.
Can you please point to a couple of specific examples of interviews maybe? I'm from Europe, I've never watched wrestling, so I'm curious about how it reflects society of the time. I'm a huge fan of south park for example, I think they've been doing an incredible social commentary for decades now.
Comparing wrestling to Greek Plays is an allusion to Roland Barthes, isn’t it? He’s a Semiotician, which isn’t any huge surprise
Herzog's autobiography audible book (he is the narrator) is GREAT. Interesting life and perspectives. Such a unique individual.
i hope he releases a new edition saying "here comes honey boo boo"
but apart from that, yes! my dad used to talk abou him when i was a kid (a child, not even a teenager), but i had no idea his personal life was also so fascinating
Everything explained by him is poetic
'The poet must not close his eyes... Here comes Honey Booboo' 😂
This entire clip was riveting and thought provoking ….he speaks with such genuine sincerity. Have him back soon!!
Celebrity survey: The TV show that I wish would make a comeback is…
Bong Joon Ho said, "Mindhunter."
Quentin Tarantino said, "How I Met Your Mother."
Werner Herzog said, "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo."
I would wanna see what the cast of Honey Boo Boo looks like now
Bro Mindhunter
Understanding the production and presentation of professional wrestling is a versatile gateway to understanding professional politics
Wrestling is athletic theater.
It's more than that. Pro Wrestling is a show about making a show.
Werner: "Therapy is useless"
Later: "This podcast brought to you by BetterHelp!"
Lol
Bravo.
He says 'psychoanalysis,' not 'therapy.' There are different schools of psychotherapy.
BetterHelp is pretty sketchy to be fair.
Werner needs to be an unlockable character in whatever the next Skateboarding game is. If they make a Skate 4, they gotta get Werner to voice and then make him playable.
He should be an unlockable character in the next WWE game.
I've always thought pro wrestling is the closest equivalent to Shakespeare's theater we have in modern times. The audience is part of the show.
For 12 year olds.
@@playedout148 and middle aged rednecks
Pantomine in lycra.
@@playedout148Most popular culture is made for 12 year olds. Star Wars being probably the most famous example.
Pro wrestling at its core is performance art albeit a very crude version of it
His take on therapy/psycho analysis is interesting. Don't think i agree with it but i can appreciate where he is coming from. Alot to dive into in what he said.
Yeah, he's wrong on that one, it's a generational thing I'm sure.
@@kevinkuenn5733 it’s a mix between generational and cultural. In Post-ww2 Germany there was a huge boom in psychological research and looking back, most of it was wrong and harmful to patients.
Considering his fascination with the dark madness in all his protagonists, his approach to therapy doesn't surprise me.
Well I don't think we can say "he's wrong." Only time will tell.
I don't have a comment on what you said, really - but you used "alot", so I have to share this with you hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html
Does Werner Herzog acknowledge our tribal chief, Roman Reigns?
This is the most important of questions.
I think the Los Angeles loving Mr. Herzog is pulling for LA Knight!
Werner is more like Judgement Day kinda guy
i hope not
@@brianjl7477YEAH!
I can just Imagine Werner managing Gunther and terrifying the children with his promos.
I didn't expect Werner Herzog to have such positive and joyful soul. I'm just sad that I only recently became aware of how much he has contributed to film. This little snippet was wonderful.
I think there is a difference between "I don't believe in therapy" and "I don't believe that therapy will solve everything". I mean, there surely is an idiotic culture repeating "be better, be better, be better" and of course the sollution to the worlds problems isn't "more therapy". But to just simply deny the good it can do (most people would benefit in knowing themselves a bit more, and psycoanalisys isn't the only way to do that, the field of psycotherapy have many branches and alternatives) sounds simplistic. I love Werner Herzog and I can clearly see that he put a lot thought into what he is saying here; nonetheless, I think he's a bit mistaken.
The data would suggest he is, indeed, mistaken. I do think he's got a very different view of therapy - analysis is not modern CBT, illumination is not the goal. Therapy works in a way that is a little bit offensive to most humans in its simplicity, esp to people like Werner seeing people like ridiculous LA people. He loves Montana for all the reasons he hates therapy, but probably has no idea how many people here are in therapy too, and how it really is the best hope to lower our terrifying suicide rate. He does romanticize a great deal, tbh. It feels like he belongs in another time.
@@montananerd8244 y'all missing the point he made
he didn't comment on a "difference between "I don't believe in therapy" and "I don't believe that therapy will solve everything" - he was making the point that not all people need it, and that those people that don't, do it to say they do, the same way kids get braces when they don't need to
Yeah I couldn’t agree with him less. To use his analogy, living in a house with no lights on is going to mean you are constantly banging into things and hurting yourself and others. Everyone can benefit from understanding themselves better.
I just like knowing a little bit more about myself and how my brain works. And it's nice to have someone to talk to. I never thought therapy would solve all my problems. It just helps me understand them a bit more.
Yeah, Werner has a lot of similar hang ups. For instance, he also believes meditation is simply "woo woo" which is simply not the case, as his good friend David Lynch would attest to.
Werner is like this very enthusiastic and curious alien from another planet being endlessly entertained while trying to analyze, understand and experience the craziness that is the USA.
What Werner says about the fascination of watching something like "Honey Boo Boo" is exactly what I feel about watching stuff like Dog the Bounty Hunter or Dirty Jobs - a show that displays situations that I have never and probably will never be in myself, but shows other Human Beings expertly navigating these very specialized situations. Human Beings are fascinating to watch.
Btw....as someone living in Minnesota who lives 1/3 time in Wisconsin - thanks for the shout out! but shhhh don't reveal how great it is up here! 😉
He shot what I think is his greatest movie, Stroszek, mostly in Wisconsin.
Werner's voice is soo soothing.
On one hand, having older German family members from Munich, I can tell you that some of his quirks are just very, *very* typically Bavarian, and -- to be honest -- less endearing to me than they are to most people who just take them as eccentricity. On the other hand, he clearly has incredible curiosity about the world and loves people, and I totally get it when he says if he things something could work, he absolutely refuses to give up.
What are the typically Bavarian traits you mean if you don’t mind sharing?
@@aliofly as a guy who's family from Saxony, and not Bavaria, some of the main traits include elitism, conservativism, and self centricity, but these don't really apply to Werner. Some other Bavarian traits that I think he shows are that he's critical of many things, he is quite cynical of certain things, he on occasions belittles things, and is quite stubborn sometimes.
@@alioflyno.
Werner Herzog needs to be a Commentator on Wrestlemania!
Now!!
He should be the booker
I almost ran into Werner once on Polk Street in San Francisco with my rollerblades I was on the sidewalk like a fool, and he was coming out of a coffee shop. Of course I would have never hit him, but he didn’t know that. I couldn’t believe it - one of my fav filmmakers … this also happened with Sean penn .. except my street was shut down and turned I tow. Film set … he was in a robe heading to set and didn’t flinch as I swung around f the corner and just missed him.
I now want the audio clip of Werner Herzog saying "Here comes Honey Boo Boo" as my ring/messege-tone.
Someone made one! ruclips.net/video/6FS9JKeEZss/видео.html
For those of you who haven't seen this man's films he made in the 70's, please do your self a favor. Start with 'Aguirre:The Wrath of God'
I prefer the 70s films of Russ Meyer.
Herzog hates psychoanalysis? We really need a Herzog vs Zizek debate. I've no doubt they'd get on like a house on fire.
There's already an ai version of that online. I'm not kidding ya
He didn't say he hated it. He said he thought it shouldn't be relied on to solve psychological issues for everyone, but it may be needed for some people. I'd go further and say even it may not be the solution for some serious psychological issues. I lean toward the Anne Wilson Schaef school of process training.
@@foolishsamurai Yeah I know. It's actually quite funny.
@@DarkMoonWayfarer from the smirk on his face after saying "it hasn't done no good to no one", I don't think he meant it literally, and he then qualifies his statement saying it is necessary in certain clinical cases. Freudian analysis, which I assume he referred to, can certainly be helpful in some cases, but it's not the answer for every psych issue. Analysis can even interfere with personal progress, where physical expression might be more productive. I do disagree with his glib statement about communism being a "utopian" ideology. That's a common misconception about Marxism, of which there are many.
I think it is also important to highlight that Freudian psychoanalysis changed and many different forms of therapy exist and developed in the last century. In some cases it is much more personalised.
All in all I get what Herzog was saying, there's a certain fixation with "mental health", that resolves in a lot of talking and performative stuff and very little useful stuff.
Honey Boo Boo aside, as somebody born and raised in the American south it was really refreshing to hear Herzog's opinion on the more rural parts of America. We tend to be marginalized as ignorant or uneducated boors in the media, but this is not a complete or 100% accurate picture.
I love whatever comes out of Herzog’s mouth. I agree with him on psychoanalysis only because I’ve been thru the ringer throughout high school. If the nice patient ones couldn’t even help me the way art could then it felt pointless. To each their own.
Man understands that story telling is more important than the match itself more so than most wrestlers lol
I’m surprised the AEW marks haven’t bombarded you yet
This guy is awesome. A terribly deep thinker.
I asked my therapist for cycle analysis, but thought my request was pedestrian
It heartens me that a man like Herzog is not too repulsed by this country to choose to live here.
A great guest and true philosopher.
Herzog is an Honorary Skateboarder. Earn you marks “Artists.”
Paul F Tompkins must have absolutely eaten this up. He plays Herzog perfectly. 4:10 “the futility” perfect 😂
I want Werner Hertzog saying "Here Comes Honey Boo-boo" to be my new text alert
lol, I had to remind myself this is a comedy podcast. You can't get more nihilist than "the 20th century was a mistake." You'll never get _this_ on Colbert!
Now this is a GOATed guest 😮
Werner is a philosopher, among his many other skills.
5:26:
Conan: "You've watched the Kardashians?"
Werner: "Um....."
Werner Herzog: man of the people
He really is, though! At least I think so.
The fact that Werner Herzog respects wrestling on any level means that I can die at least *somewhat* fulfilled lol
I would LOVE to know what Werner Herzog thinks of telenovelas.
😂
Chris Hedges has a stunning chapter on wrestling in his book Empire of Illusion.
Werner Herzog needs to do a collab video with German in Venice about their appreciation of LA.
I think I like Mr Herzog better and better. Good stab at the pseudo of psychoanalysis and then the madness and beauty of LA.
My favourite man alive- I am such a fan of him.
Someone should take this audio and edit a documentary to it.
Oh dear, i hope I'm wrong, but hearing him speak, i fell like he's visited the museum where I work & I didnt recognize him 😳 he's a big fan of our ski mountains...
After watching this video, I would like to offer Werner one of my tickets to the 12/15/23 Smackdown event in Green Bay. Please forward this to him accordingly.
This man is our last defense line against the Order of Body Language Experts
I would pay money to see a documentary about him hangin out with his skateboarder friends.
I've been saying for years that pro wrestling is a direct descendant of classical drama & I've been laughed at. Werner bloody Herzog says it & he gets on Conan...
He isn't wrong!
I can see where he is coming from. It's the old "don't pick at a wound or it might get infected"-analogy. Most people are fairly stable and don't have glaring mental/emotinal issues. However, we all have minor issues. If you focus too much attention on a minor issue without actually working towards removing it or improving it that issue WILL become a major issue. And that leads us to another problem. Most therapists run private practicies and are dependant on a stable customer base to survive. They don't really want you to get better. They just want you to feel that you probably need to come back next week for another session and pay 50, 100, 200, whatever dollars to do so. Furthermore, a lot of people don't actually want to do the work required for therapy too be successful. Therapy should 100% be about self-improvement and self-change. "Why can't *I* handle critziscm and what should *I* do to change that aspect of *my* personality?". "Why do *I* break down and cry/get angry whenever things don't go my way?". "Why can't *I* handle people that don't agree with me?". These questions often require deep dives into your own dirty past and once you find that thing (or those things) you need to actually change those behaviours/reactions. That is very hard work that asks you to be brutally honest with yourself and 100% humble before your own shortcomings if it's to be successful. Most people don't really want to go through that crueling, emotinally tough process. They might think they do (or at least that's their official stance) but they don't really have the will or energy to do the work. Instead, they want a shoulder to cry on. Someone who listens to them while they complain about how stupid and mean everyone else is. The second they leave the therapists office they revert back to the same personality they had before. And that suits the therapists just fine. They can keep this person coming back week after week, month after month, year after year. No improvement in sight. No self-realization and change.
I can’t wait to see what Paul F. Tompkins does with this.
7:04 for everyone coming from the latest clip
Wernern Herzog is a good man❤
Werner Herzog is a treasure... he can narrate my life =)
A lot of nuanced wisdom regarding the American political divide that I wasn't expecting
Hold up playa… tonight you’re gonna go one on one with … Da Grizzly Man!
I have to agree with Herzog on therapy; Every person I know whos gotten therapy came out worse than before. It might've helped in moderation 20-30 years ago, but now it's an overpopulated sector with people who just do it for the money, as it's so widespread now.
It's interesting how he says that if you perfectly illuminated every corner of a home, it would become unlivable, but then he says that a poet can not avert his eyes from the world we live in.
I wish he would do the lead in voice over to this year's Wrestlemania
As someone who has tried several types of therapy in the last 10 years and none of it made me feel any better, hearing Werner Herzog, someone I respect to the utmost degree, outright saying that he thinks therapy is a complete waste of time is extremely validating. The only thing that truly helped me was taking up boxing as both exercise and hobby. Which is fitting given the video's theme is Wrestlemania, I suppose.
'So many people in love with their problems' - The Talking Heads
"if a house is fully illuminated, it's uninhabitable"
Bro some of us just saw a big spider and the house is uninhabitable unless all the lights are on
Werner has no idea how actual therapy works. It’s more akin to taking a flashlight into the basement with a friend who has home improvement knowledge and rummaging around trying to figure out what might be happening down there around the furnace that’s causing issues with heat upstairs rather than illuminating the whole house all at once. Therapy only works if you work it and stay goal oriented, otherwise you’re just renting a friend to listen to you complain for an hour
Crap, now I understand why I was so bad at being therapized.
@@Keinish79 give it another shot!! All about finding a good fit with your therapist and being open and willing to work on applying new knowledge and strategies gained between sessions :)
He's definitely of the mindset that people need to simply work these things on their own and they'll be better for it. I think it's attributed to people of his generation (as well as his German upbringing) and his high intellect. He probably had mental issues he had to work out on his own and he succeeded and he wants others to achieve the same.
Nah, he's correct. The end goal of talk therapy is integration of the self-narrarive with culture. It never asks whether the self-narrative even objectively exists. Therapy presumes the reality of the ego/self-narrative, and is thus in error.
Nah he's right.
I would love to hear Herzog's take on Anime
I would love to just listen to Werner talk about him and Kinski for a couple hours lol
Interesting man. Great interview Conan
7:05 Dare you not to click this timestamp five times.
Someone has to show Mr. Herzog the South Park episode "W.T.F." (the "Wrestling Takedown Federation").
I kept thinking of that exactly.
Why isn't "Here comes honey boo boo" a 2000s era ringtone yet?
Never forget, Herzog is on the skaters side! 🛹❤️
Love his voice so much, so soothing. One of the most fascinating unique original individuals ever. Great actor and guest, Werner Herzog. Here Comes Honey Boo Boo, I never watch those shows but that is the best thing ever. Laughing so hard. 😍🥰😘👑💎⚜️🏆 😆 🤣😂 🎙️🎧
wrestling not only breaks down the 4th wall, the other 3 walls are removed also. the audience, by pretending that its real, become actors participating in their own entertainment
lmao all I can hear is Paul F Tompkins doing the Grizzly Man bit
Does he mean Freudian psychoanalysis? Or therapy in general? Because psychoanalysis can have a very specific meaning.
I'm not convinced he knows the difference. Freud's work should be only considered from a historical perspective.
I'm not convinced he knows the difference. Freud's work should be only considered from a historical perspective.
Conan is a very polite host, but I was surprised he didn’t push back a little Herzog’s anti-psychoanalysis stance, because he’s been so vocal on this podcast about how therapy has helped him.
I thought that as well, but I do respect that conan genuinely is interested in his guest’s take and let’s them speak. I certainly don’t agree that psychoanalysis is bad or overused, but his analogy of an illuminated house was genuinely unique and I think conan figured that it was interesting to let him expand on it
So long as the guest isn’t going totally batsh*t like full on bigoted stuff, Conan seems to prefer letting them speak on their topics 😂
@@badinkstudiosthe house analogy was ridiculous. A much better analogy would be, you wouldn’t live in a house with no lights because you would be constantly bumping into things and hurting yourself and others. That’s why we all benefit from a little “illumination”.
@@luns486 That's a great point. I think it's cool that we're continuing to use the house analogy to discuss the merits of therapy. And I think that's all I meant-Herzog introduced a unique analogy that we've never heard and Conan let him speak about it because it was unique
He wasn't anti therapy. He called out medical therapy as a positive at the end. I think he was talking about trying to break down everything the human brain does and why
I really want to pay WH to live in my home and read me "Goodnight, Moon" every night to help me fall asleep. His voice is so soothing I'm pretty sure I'd be out before he even reached the end.
7:05 - Among the greatest sounds ever uttered by the human species
Who wants to hear Herzog do color commentary?
7:04 I know y'all looking for this
Yep, we use fiction to exorcise bloodlust. Like the elder gods from Cabin in the Woods.
Great movie
wrestling was way better when it appealed to the masses, and when it was presented as "real". Most ppl knew it wasn't but it was a lot more popular.
All of these Werner Herzog clips you've been posting sre great, is there anywhere to watch the whole thing? I know how to listen to it but not watch it
I've remixed Honey Boo Boo like Sona asked (I really should get a life..). On my channel for those who are curious how it sounds
Herzog rules because he enjoys not just the highest echelons of the cultural skyscraper.
This guy can say the most banal thing and it will sound interesting.
very enjoyable but the hardest thing for people is to understand that what is good and bad for you is not so for others. Werner falls into that same chasm, and his authoritative je ne sais quois makes us imagine that his insights apply generally. they don't.
Hell yeah! Let's talk about Randy Savage's Macho Maaaadness😂
That was incredible! Once in a lifetime! State of the Union, Key to life, all wrapped up in one man! I thought it was just me! :)
Werner's voice is gloomy and soothing at the same time its glorious