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Genuine question, if every action has an equal and opposite reaction, and Kirby is capable of attacks that can output Galaxy destroying levels of power without his body shattering to pieces, wouldn't that mean his durability is also comparable to the amount of force he can output?
My favorite quote from the FAQ is this “Wasn’t this a huge stomp? How could Jigglypuff ever stand a fair chance? It was the biggest stat stomp we’ve had so far in the bracket for sure” Me: looks at Isabelle vs gannondorf and lucina vs rob
Yeah, that's what's crazy about Kirby's strength. It's so unfathomably high that it is the biggest stat stomp even though we've had two featless characters
To give you a bit of an idea of how crazy Kirby is compared to everything else we've seen so far, the number he was given is easilly high enough to destroy a multitude of galaxies in one attack, this makes even some of the strongest characters we've seen so far (based on their fights' logic) look about as pathetic as The Deep in Deathbattle's seven royale (aka, the guy who died before his fight even started).
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Prediction: The character you slaughters gods because they stole his cake is going to win. Edit: okay that fight was insanely entertaining though. This is my favourite episode thus far.
I really like how this matchup was handled and how this was explained in the video. Kirby really is so many anomalies at once that most VS series will just look at his best feats and call it a day.
Most VS series serve a different purpose than Smash Bracket. Don't put them in the same bag. Looking at Kirby's best feats is usually the best way to anylize him.
Wow, this episode was handled really well! I knew that this wasn’t going to be a stomp, but you guys managed to surprise me by how many moves a mastered Jigglypuff can use, the speed comparison due to the size of Popstar, and how massive the total value of the Meteor Baseball feat was. I can’t wait to see how you guy’s explain how Mewtwo compares to Sephiroph next time!
Yup! At this rate Pokemon Trainer may stand a chance against Ness! Especially since he will be given access to the three of his Pokemon! I think Greninja may stand a chance against Diddy Kong if they don’t count the Moon headbutt thing that he did in Donkey Kong Country Returns. But I don’t think Pichu would win against Bowser Jr especially since his paintbrush can Poison or burn the opponent. And also because Bowser Jr defeat the Koopalings on his own in Bowser Jr Journey! And even fought against his own father.
This fight was everything I could've asked for except that Kirby didn't respond with any singing of his own. Other than that one minor omission, a rap battle, Jigglypuff using almost every move she can learn no matter how ridiculous, Kirby picking sunflowers, and finishing with a High-Jump leading into a stupidly strong hammer swing was just perfect.
This was amazing, I can’t wait for the next one. I feel like it’s gonna be really hard since I think both Seph and Mewtwo were made for combat and don’t believe in mercy.
Smash Bracket: "Protect couldn't defend even the Megaton punch." Me: *_remembers that a perfect Electrode with a silk scarf using a critical explosion can't break protect_*
Pokémon being fully optimized by a trainer WHILE having limitless access to their entire movepool seems to be an unfair advantage for Pokémon imo, specially considering no source has Pokémon ever using more than a handful of moves at a time. Even the anime adheres most of the time to the 4 moves per Pokémon rule. Not sure about the manga. Choosing an optimal set of 4 moves, even if they're tailor-made for the match-up would be really cool imo On the flipside, being fully optimized by a trainer would open the gates for Z-Moves, Mega Evolution and Dynamax/Gigantamax, which would more than make up for the limitted movepool imo.
I swear to gosh this jazz version(I think it is) of Kirby right back at ya is just so goood especially at this part 17:47 where the attacks are in perfectly insync with the music
Awesome episode! The animation is solid and was estatic to see all of the potential way Puff could pacify/end their opponent using stall tactics. The alt. ending is going to be interesting to see and can't wait for Mewtwo vs Sephiroth. (Sephiroth ftw)
Kirbys best durability feat is when he survives a black hole from magalor unscaved the biggest explosion is at the ending of Kirby triple delux when the beanstalk explodes causing a planet lvl explosion
Awesome battle as always guys! Cannot wait for the next fight which is Mewtwo and Sephiroth and the previews for the future fights are hype hype hype! Keep up the amazing work Smash Bracket! This makes me even more excited for the fight I want to see too! Happy to have came to the premier! 😄
Ok so I think i’ve figured it out. The alternate ending will have Jigglypuff use Confusion on Kirby, which will cause him to completely destroy himself.
Btw, I almost forgot to mention, that track was great lmao, I love how the Right Back At Ya theme was mixed with Jigglypuff's Lullaby. It was really a killer performance!!! ...Namely cause, you know, the entire audience and rest of the planet exploded, but...
Love the episode but the thing with Kirby even if he never uses is full power he still has all his copy abilities that can counter things Jigglypuff can do.For some example in a side game name Kirby Battle Royal it show that Kirby can attack when sleeping, in Planet Robobot and learn the new copy ability poison which work like the fire, and ice Kirby can known has resistance against poison not in the gameplay but in the description of the copy ability and last in Kirby Squeak Squad Kirby has a poket space in his stomach that he can save copy ability in. Also for Kirby people forget that Kirby has a anime or show that not all the same like the games but it has things like different copy ability. Sorry for the rant I loved the episode and can’t wait for more.
This may be from a year ago but it’s still a great video and I’d like to add something to Kirby. The status effects make this a lot closer than expected, yet I would say that, other than smash bros, Kirby really doesn’t fall victim to status effects. The biggest example is when fighting void termina heart, and he spits out attacks that, when it hits something, turns them into enemies. Yet when it hits Kirby…nothing. However I might be wrong about this, so who knows
it's more likely that instead of being a status effect, the attack simply nullifies the friend hearts. this would also explain why you "cure" them with a heart.
I'm actually way more surprised at how close it was. Everytime Jigglypuff did a new move I thought, "oh yeah, she could do that? and that too. and that." Way closer than I thought. I thought this was going to be completely one sided in kirby's favor. dang.
As it relates to the meteor minigame, was it considered that the meteor was only about 10-12 inches in diameter, and that the “light years,” is not what it would be to us but scaled to their world? We can measure the size, time, and distance the meteor went in the window Kirby hits it in (since it would have to be right there to hit the thing), and that rapid deceleration into acceleration should be the fastest that meteor will ever go. And since we can measure the speed at that point relative to its small size, it doesn’t seem to be going all that fast. Since we can see it shrink relative to its and Kirby’s size, and it doesn’t just vanish in the blink of an eye, that might need to be taken into account. Or maybe it is going that distance but in an accelerated time window to represent to the player the distance, but the meteor could just travel slowly through space. Lastly, was planetary density considered? It doesn’t seem like the contents of any planet or moon destroyed in Kirby had much interior at all and seems to just be hollow or made of the same material (like PopStar). I still think Kirby stomps Puff, and I really loved what you did with the Pokémon scaling. I just am hoping this feat and Kirby characters get scaled back realistically into what it is, so other matchups don’t get obliterated by a minigame or by comparing the strength feats of an 8 inch tall ball that can be damaged by a slowly moving bullied ball. Maybe the gravity of the planet relative to some canon weight and an estimated planetary size can be used to calculate the planetary mass for strength feats? Minigames are weird. You can have a Pokémon with no legs outrun and out hurdle Deoxys-Speed or the god of the universe in the Pokeathlon, but I don’t think that’s fair to consider, even when in-game stats are a factor in performance for that minigame. Either way, loved the animation and the series, and I’m hyped for Mewtwo vs Sephiroth, especially after seeing how a Pokémon are handled in this. That was brilliant
Lmao i think ink has had enough kirbyscaling for this. I would just leave it at light years because theyre called light years and thats what the developers intended, then lowball the feats (which would still stomp jigglypuff)
Those are some really good points that were well thought out! We did consider all of them, so I'll try and clarify how we handled this. To start with the easiest one, I've got an article here that addresses how we will be handling minigames in the series going forward. They will need to meet certain criteria in order to be accepted, so it's not all fair game: reallemon.medium.com/how-smash-bracket-handles-minigames-and-multiplayer-4c59514ce775 As for "light years" being smaller than what they are in our own world, I did consider that. The problem is that the implications of lightyears only being a couple of feet would make things even weirder than the apparent contradiction in size we see during the minigame. It would effectively render everyone blind because light wouldn't operate fast enough to see anything meaningful and it would screw up a bunch of things with timespace that I'm not smart enough to understand. It would basically end up changing the physics of Kirby's world on such a fundamental level that we couldn't measure any feat he does at all because our physics wouldn't apply to even basic concepts anymore. As for the speed of the meteor, you bring up a good point. There's a lot of reasons to not trust the timeframe or speeds presented. But we didn't actually factor in the speed of the meteor at all in the first place (since trying to measure the kinetic energy would say this feat requires infinite power no matter what). We only calculated the destruction of the planets themselves for this feat, which wouldn't change no matter what the actual timeframe was. Also, interesting side note, the meteor actually demonstrates gaining MORE energy as it travels. Not just because it breaks larger planets, but because it shatters them more thoroughly and sends the pieces flying farther and faster. That doesn't make any sense, but it's Kirby. For all of the planets and the moon, I treated them as being made up of just rocks and dirt. So the density of the planets was a lot less than what an actual planet would be. It both made my job a lot easier and lowballed the numbers, which was really needed in this feat. I could have lowballed it further by assuming they were hollow or something, but that felt like a bit too much of an assumption to make. I really wish there was some canon measurements of any kind for Popstar or its surrounding planets, but that just doens't exist. So we had to make due with what we had, which meant using really weird ways to measure the size of Popstar and assuming that the distance we're given in Star Slam Heroes is accurate.
@@counterfeitlemon I appreciate the thorough response and the intense research. Though I disagree with a good amount of how Kirby is scaled, since he just stomps most of the cast due to weird, cartoony feats and representations that works in very tiny universes but also aren’t at all consistent in-universe, I don’t have a better method to recommend, and (my opinions on minigames aside) I really love the rules set up by this tournament. And I guess that, within the established rules, it is totally fair. I can just be bitter that Kirby stomps everyone I love but still appreciate just how thorough you all are, haha. Keep up the great work!
@@CreaturesOfTheMarsh I appreciate how much thought you put into your response and your openness to our perspective. I will say that I would be much more hesitant about giving Kirby these stats if we were only ever having fights to the death. As it is, I can already think of a few people who are far weaker than Kirby but would easily be able to pacify or incapacitate him
I love that you just don't take this as a meme and make the most stupid fighters extremely overpowered and ACTUALLY make the fights cannon, seriously, thank you
Thanks for giving Kirby the power he deserves Plz also remember that hitting something 8 inches tall that can move a 2000 miles per hour would be incredibly difficult and his warp star is faster than legit anything.
Yeah unless Kirby literally refused to go all out the entire time he wins. Even if puff toxics turn one, kirby just could stomp puff immediately after, so the only way puff wins is if he is poisoned and refuses to try at all, or if puff immediately confusions (which would also require Kirby to not try turn one as he would certainly outspeed her) which would then be a random chance who wins (assuming the confusion even hits in the first place)
Bro went Mad From the Revelation of trying to science the Kirby franchise. Now he knows how Death Battle felt trying to do the same thing lmao! Wiz pretty much had the same reaction.
Just thought of something for kirbys defence. Surely if he can output such insane force from his fist in megaton punch, he can take that force too because of newton's 3rd law
While I disagree with some of the stats shown, this was still an enjoyable watch and I'm really hyped for the next episode! Keep making banger episodes, this show is prob the best indie Vs show on yt rn
Thanks so much! And yeah that stats are all over the place for characters like this, so you could get a huge range on each character and they would all be equally as nonsensical 😂
excuse me I got a question when is that updated version of Sonic vs Fox coming out? because I am very curious also you are a doing an amazing job of this series I love it how unique this series is in terms of researching and really love the animation and so excited to see the next match-up thank you for answering this question if you have a chance to do it
@@SmashBracket thank you so much for replying like when I first saw Link vs Ridley or Mario vs Mega Man I already fall in love with your show so much I just love everything about it and even know you made a mistake with the Sonic vs Fox it's ok besides every vs shows made mistakes sometimes
But isn't Jigglypuff only able to know four moves at once and has to level up or use a TM/HM to learn a new move, where it also has to forget one of the moves it already know?
I could see Fire Blast LAUNCHING Kirby but not really hurting him lol Yeah after watching it I doubt anything really hurt Kirby much lol he just kinda shrugged it all off.
Even though Kirby win this fight and all. Just remember some thing silly about Kirby upgrade copy ability on sleeping ability. It actually heal him for sleeping and animator make kirby in sleeping copy ability too.
Next time could be really interesting, due to I guess smash bracket scales pokemon and to how supernova will be interpreted (Dissidias explanation, being that Seph transports his enemy to a dimension were a solar system similar to our own is exploding, most likely dismissed since Dissidia is non-canon).
Really enjoyed all the episode from analysis to animation. All of it was so fun. Don't know if its one the irrelevant to fight thing but on kirby aspects how are you looking at milky way wishes copy essences and squeak squads stored abilities and what not in bubbles inside kirby.
2 more things that seem to be supported, when kirby inhales and copies an ability, he immediately masters said ability, and is able to use it to it's full extent. Also, the kirby anime also has some things to check out, if you really want a headache.
It should be know Kirby doesn't have to inhale something to draw on the copy ability, in multiple games Kirby can store the abilities and choose them later
The kirby charecters are wiping the fights they have, if they have to fight against each other and not holding back at all that could take hours in universe time
In the Red Corner: A Pokémon that knows a lot of moves. In the Blue Corner: What has been confirmed by Nintendo to be the juvenile form of an eldritch being.
Considering Kirby is considered by Death Battle and half of the community to be stronger than even Majin Buu. I see no way a pathetic Jigglypuff could defeat a character with over planet level + abilities.
Jigglypuff at peak is building level. As where Kirby has shown Universal level feats. Honestly late series Dragon Ball Super Goku would be a more appropriate opponent for him.
Writing this before finishing the episode cause I don't want to forget- this is really, REALLY funny. I love all of the visual gags that you use instead of solely relying on jokes in the script. Stuff like the silly descriptions for Jigglypuff's attacks and the fucking Ben 10 vs. Green Lantern thumbnail flying across the screen when you talk about time had me reeling. Edit after finishing:... Welp, I have a feeling that my guess about this coming down to Kirby vs. Sephiroth in the finals might end up being correct. And that meteor feat is probably a way bigger number than Sephiroth's supernova. Unless y'all do something like actually buy into universal Joker, I don't think anyone in this tournament stands a chance against Sakurai's son. I love how you utilized so much of the characters' arsenals in this episode, too. With both of these series, it's tough to showcase everything that the characters are capable of, so I'm really impressed that you were able to work in stuff like Toxic and some of kirby's more underappreciated abilities like Metal.
It’s funny how I don’t think Universal Joker even matters if we put Kirby at his power stated by a official game itself. In Kirby Planet Robobot BASE Kirby is stated to literally be infinite in power, in BASE. Joker wouldn’t stand a chance against that
So I do have a question about the base ball minigame. Considering how strict certain rules can be for combatants and how feats need to be proven they can happen, how seriously can we take the measurements of lightspeed in that minigame? Just to note I do agree with the result and thought the fight was pretty fun. I think my favorite part was all the moves Jigglypuff did. Helped keep the fight interesting.
Normally we couldn’t take them seriously. The issue with Kirby is that there is almost zero consistency across any of the measurements anywhere. It would have felt less faithful to me to have one of the only instances of getting objective measurements and discarding it. We debated on what to do with it for a while, but decided to allow it since things of this level are pretty substantiated within the series lore and statements. That said, while Kirby is insanely strong, he isn’t super strategic and this feat is far from a pass to the #1 spot
19:16 I can’t believe how powerful jiggly puff is,if she attacks One of the most Powerful characters…they will be be over heels for her,Just one kiss and they will be a simp.
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Kirby has survived black holes and the awakening of void which is said to have destroyed a universe
You should do ditto vs Kirby
Honestly surprised Kirby won, Jigglypuff could mess him up with debuffs and stuff, Kirby mainly wins by sheer attack power.
Genuine question, if every action has an equal and opposite reaction, and Kirby is capable of attacks that can output Galaxy destroying levels of power without his body shattering to pieces, wouldn't that mean his durability is also comparable to the amount of force he can output?
that sounds fucking terrifying.
Yes
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@@Yoboielmo You misspelled “The VS Battles Wiki” at the end there 😉
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My favorite quote from the FAQ is this “Wasn’t this a huge stomp? How could Jigglypuff ever stand a fair chance?
It was the biggest stat stomp we’ve had so far in the bracket for sure”
Me: looks at Isabelle vs gannondorf and lucina vs rob
Yeah, that's what's crazy about Kirby's strength. It's so unfathomably high that it is the biggest stat stomp even though we've had two featless characters
To give you a bit of an idea of how crazy Kirby is compared to everything else we've seen so far, the number he was given is easilly high enough to destroy a multitude of galaxies in one attack, this makes even some of the strongest characters we've seen so far (based on their fights' logic) look about as pathetic as The Deep in Deathbattle's seven royale (aka, the guy who died before his fight even started).
The difference in stats is larger though, if what your saying is true that means Lucina and ganon would be in kirbys league which is not true
No Luicina vs ROB took more energy out Luicina then Kirby should have with Jiggilypuff
i was limited to protect you
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The editing process for this video specifically was super time-intensive and stressful for me. My wife noticed that, taught herself After Effects in a single day, and edited nearly half of this video all by herself! This was the first video she has ever edited in her life and she did absolutely incredible. The only reason we were able to get the video out today at all is because of her.
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She did that in a day???? Holy moly!
Power couple right here. Damn.
Dude, when will u make king dedede vs king k rool alternate ending i want to see king k rool win man!
Congrats
Prediction: The character you slaughters gods because they stole his cake is going to win.
Edit: okay that fight was insanely entertaining though. This is my favourite episode thus far.
I really like how this matchup was handled and how this was explained in the video. Kirby really is so many anomalies at once that most VS series will just look at his best feats and call it a day.
Most VS series serve a different purpose than Smash Bracket. Don't put them in the same bag. Looking at Kirby's best feats is usually the best way to anylize him.
17:13 I see what you did there! XD But it should've been a crab lol. Nice episode as always guys! Can't wait for Mew2 vs Sephy!
Wow, this episode was handled really well! I knew that this wasn’t going to be a stomp, but you guys managed to surprise me by how many moves a mastered Jigglypuff can use, the speed comparison due to the size of Popstar, and how massive the total value of the Meteor Baseball feat was. I can’t wait to see how you guy’s explain how Mewtwo compares to Sephiroph next time!
Yup! At this rate Pokemon Trainer may stand a chance against Ness! Especially since he will be given access to the three of his Pokemon!
I think Greninja may stand a chance against Diddy Kong if they don’t count the Moon headbutt thing that he did in Donkey Kong Country Returns.
But I don’t think Pichu would win against Bowser Jr especially since his paintbrush can Poison or burn the opponent. And also because Bowser Jr defeat the Koopalings on his own in Bowser Jr Journey! And even fought against his own father.
Yeah jigglypuff never stood a chance, not sure any Nintendo character does COMBINED.
Clueless
It is a stomp. Kirby would destroy Jigglypuff in less than a second.
tbh if we scaled them fairly without smash bracket ruling kirby would utterly mollywop poor puff into the dirt within negative 10 seconds....
This fight was everything I could've asked for except that Kirby didn't respond with any singing of his own. Other than that one minor omission, a rap battle, Jigglypuff using almost every move she can learn no matter how ridiculous, Kirby picking sunflowers, and finishing with a High-Jump leading into a stupidly strong hammer swing was just perfect.
Honestly, it was expected that Kirby would win.
@Drunk Doggy Three
This was amazing, I can’t wait for the next one. I feel like it’s gonna be really hard since I think both Seph and Mewtwo were made for combat and don’t believe in mercy.
It's the star walker!
Smash Bracket: "Protect couldn't defend even the Megaton punch."
Me: *_remembers that a perfect Electrode with a silk scarf using a critical explosion can't break protect_*
Yea uh...I don't think a Perfect Electrode with Silk Scarf is gonna crack the world in half dude.
@@codyherio6909 It was a joke, dude
Yet Feint can.
Hm.
Basically kirby just wants to eat cake and float around, maybe hang out with his buddies but he’s constantly having to fight intergalactic monsters.
Pokémon being fully optimized by a trainer WHILE having limitless access to their entire movepool seems to be an unfair advantage for Pokémon imo, specially considering no source has Pokémon ever using more than a handful of moves at a time. Even the anime adheres most of the time to the 4 moves per Pokémon rule. Not sure about the manga. Choosing an optimal set of 4 moves, even if they're tailor-made for the match-up would be really cool imo
On the flipside, being fully optimized by a trainer would open the gates for Z-Moves, Mega Evolution and Dynamax/Gigantamax, which would more than make up for the limitted movepool imo.
Well it may be an unfair advantage, but to be honest, it wouldn't even be enough against the pink little demon
I swear to gosh this jazz version(I think it is) of Kirby right back at ya is just so goood especially at this part 17:47 where the attacks are in perfectly insync with the music
Awesome episode! The animation is solid and was estatic to see all of the potential way Puff could pacify/end their opponent using stall tactics. The alt. ending is going to be interesting to see and can't wait for Mewtwo vs Sephiroth. (Sephiroth ftw)
Kirbys best durability feat is when he survives a black hole from magalor unscaved the biggest explosion is at the ending of Kirby triple delux when the beanstalk explodes causing a planet lvl explosion
Uh no Kirby survived void terminas laser clash that exploded 2 GALAXYS so I think that’s his highest
Awesome battle as always guys! Cannot wait for the next fight which is Mewtwo and Sephiroth and the previews for the future fights are hype hype hype! Keep up the amazing work Smash Bracket! This makes me even more excited for the fight I want to see too! Happy to have came to the premier! 😄
Especially big congratulations to the research team for doing all this research! 😄
@@goldenphoenix3238 I agree with you.
@@bruhm0ment6000 Good to hear that you do
Wow you seem chipper
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I didn’t know jigglypuff could do those moves
Normal types have a crazy movepool and no one knows why ( and yes, jigglypuff is a fairy type but it was a normal type before )
Metronome
Ok so I think i’ve figured it out. The alternate ending will have Jigglypuff use Confusion on Kirby, which will cause him to completely destroy himself.
I think it was swagger looking back on it with the sunglasses
It’s funny, because his durability without smash bracket rules is better than his strength
@@Luke1YT then again like what smash bracket said he is as likely to accidentally punch the planet in half
Guess Puff boutta go out into space... where Kirby has a Warp Star
I'm pretty sure Kirby's immune to psychmeddling.
I guess Jigglypuff couldn’t jiggle out his singing career that could put even Kirby out cold (broomstick joke)
The musical combo of the “Right Back at Ya” opening and Jigglypuff’s song genuinely hyped me up. Can’t believe I’m only now finding this channel.
Btw, I almost forgot to mention, that track was great lmao, I love how the Right Back At Ya theme was mixed with Jigglypuff's Lullaby. It was really a killer performance!!!
...Namely cause, you know, the entire audience and rest of the planet exploded, but...
I'm sorry, but it was obvious Jigglypuff was getting her puff ass wrecked here.
Bro doesnt understand 😂
I know Kirb will win but in Puff's fighter preview, things do get a lot more scary for puff too
Love the episode but the thing with Kirby even if he never uses is full power he still has all his copy abilities that can counter things Jigglypuff can do.For some example in a side game name Kirby Battle Royal it show that Kirby can attack when sleeping, in Planet Robobot and learn the new copy ability poison which work like the fire, and ice Kirby can known has resistance against poison not in the gameplay but in the description of the copy ability and last in Kirby Squeak Squad Kirby has a poket space in his stomach that he can save copy ability in. Also for Kirby people forget that Kirby has a anime or show that not all the same like the games but it has things like different copy ability. Sorry for the rant I loved the episode and can’t wait for more.
Yeah but puff is still smarter and faster then kirby
This may be from a year ago but it’s still a great video and I’d like to add something to Kirby.
The status effects make this a lot closer than expected, yet I would say that, other than smash bros, Kirby really doesn’t fall victim to status effects.
The biggest example is when fighting void termina heart, and he spits out attacks that, when it hits something, turns them into enemies. Yet when it hits Kirby…nothing.
However I might be wrong about this, so who knows
it's more likely that instead of being a status effect, the attack simply nullifies the friend hearts. this would also explain why you "cure" them with a heart.
4:05 Do you suppose that’s where they got the idea for Jigglypuff’s Final Smash from?
I'm actually way more surprised at how close it was. Everytime Jigglypuff did a new move I thought, "oh yeah, she could do that? and that too. and that." Way closer than I thought. I thought this was going to be completely one sided in kirby's favor. dang.
I imagine they just drew it out so it wasn't a well acclaimed sequel to Rob vs Lucina
It is.
@@Aaa-vp6ugit isn't are you a dumbass did you watch this?
As it relates to the meteor minigame, was it considered that the meteor was only about 10-12 inches in diameter, and that the “light years,” is not what it would be to us but scaled to their world? We can measure the size, time, and distance the meteor went in the window Kirby hits it in (since it would have to be right there to hit the thing), and that rapid deceleration into acceleration should be the fastest that meteor will ever go. And since we can measure the speed at that point relative to its small size, it doesn’t seem to be going all that fast. Since we can see it shrink relative to its and Kirby’s size, and it doesn’t just vanish in the blink of an eye, that might need to be taken into account. Or maybe it is going that distance but in an accelerated time window to represent to the player the distance, but the meteor could just travel slowly through space.
Lastly, was planetary density considered? It doesn’t seem like the contents of any planet or moon destroyed in Kirby had much interior at all and seems to just be hollow or made of the same material (like PopStar).
I still think Kirby stomps Puff, and I really loved what you did with the Pokémon scaling. I just am hoping this feat and Kirby characters get scaled back realistically into what it is, so other matchups don’t get obliterated by a minigame or by comparing the strength feats of an 8 inch tall ball that can be damaged by a slowly moving bullied ball. Maybe the gravity of the planet relative to some canon weight and an estimated planetary size can be used to calculate the planetary mass for strength feats?
Minigames are weird. You can have a Pokémon with no legs outrun and out hurdle Deoxys-Speed or the god of the universe in the Pokeathlon, but I don’t think that’s fair to consider, even when in-game stats are a factor in performance for that minigame.
Either way, loved the animation and the series, and I’m hyped for Mewtwo vs Sephiroth, especially after seeing how a Pokémon are handled in this. That was brilliant
Lmao i think ink has had enough kirbyscaling for this. I would just leave it at light years because theyre called light years and thats what the developers intended, then lowball the feats (which would still stomp jigglypuff)
Those are some really good points that were well thought out! We did consider all of them, so I'll try and clarify how we handled this. To start with the easiest one, I've got an article here that addresses how we will be handling minigames in the series going forward. They will need to meet certain criteria in order to be accepted, so it's not all fair game: reallemon.medium.com/how-smash-bracket-handles-minigames-and-multiplayer-4c59514ce775
As for "light years" being smaller than what they are in our own world, I did consider that. The problem is that the implications of lightyears only being a couple of feet would make things even weirder than the apparent contradiction in size we see during the minigame. It would effectively render everyone blind because light wouldn't operate fast enough to see anything meaningful and it would screw up a bunch of things with timespace that I'm not smart enough to understand. It would basically end up changing the physics of Kirby's world on such a fundamental level that we couldn't measure any feat he does at all because our physics wouldn't apply to even basic concepts anymore.
As for the speed of the meteor, you bring up a good point. There's a lot of reasons to not trust the timeframe or speeds presented. But we didn't actually factor in the speed of the meteor at all in the first place (since trying to measure the kinetic energy would say this feat requires infinite power no matter what). We only calculated the destruction of the planets themselves for this feat, which wouldn't change no matter what the actual timeframe was. Also, interesting side note, the meteor actually demonstrates gaining MORE energy as it travels. Not just because it breaks larger planets, but because it shatters them more thoroughly and sends the pieces flying farther and faster. That doesn't make any sense, but it's Kirby.
For all of the planets and the moon, I treated them as being made up of just rocks and dirt. So the density of the planets was a lot less than what an actual planet would be. It both made my job a lot easier and lowballed the numbers, which was really needed in this feat. I could have lowballed it further by assuming they were hollow or something, but that felt like a bit too much of an assumption to make.
I really wish there was some canon measurements of any kind for Popstar or its surrounding planets, but that just doens't exist. So we had to make due with what we had, which meant using really weird ways to measure the size of Popstar and assuming that the distance we're given in Star Slam Heroes is accurate.
@@counterfeitlemon I appreciate the thorough response and the intense research. Though I disagree with a good amount of how Kirby is scaled, since he just stomps most of the cast due to weird, cartoony feats and representations that works in very tiny universes but also aren’t at all consistent in-universe, I don’t have a better method to recommend, and (my opinions on minigames aside) I really love the rules set up by this tournament.
And I guess that, within the established rules, it is totally fair. I can just be bitter that Kirby stomps everyone I love but still appreciate just how thorough you all are, haha. Keep up the great work!
@@CreaturesOfTheMarsh I appreciate how much thought you put into your response and your openness to our perspective. I will say that I would be much more hesitant about giving Kirby these stats if we were only ever having fights to the death. As it is, I can already think of a few people who are far weaker than Kirby but would easily be able to pacify or incapacitate him
Lol
Came back here just to say: Love the new thumbnail and looking forward to seeing more for old matchups!
I love that you just don't take this as a meme and make the most stupid fighters extremely overpowered and ACTUALLY make the fights cannon, seriously, thank you
You are talking about jiglypuff and not kirby when you say stupid fighters,right?
@@eugeniomorichon5624 By "stupid" I ment joke characters, the ones who are ment to be and look stupid in gameplay, so yes, I'm talking about Jiggs
@@-SeaSnake- ok
Jigglypuff at least can stand up to kirby
@@Mike-di3mo No chance
Thanks for giving Kirby the power he deserves
Plz also remember that hitting something 8 inches tall that can move a 2000 miles per hour would be incredibly difficult and his warp star is faster than legit anything.
Even smaller with the mini copy ability
Yeah unless Kirby literally refused to go all out the entire time he wins. Even if puff toxics turn one, kirby just could stomp puff immediately after, so the only way puff wins is if he is poisoned and refuses to try at all, or if puff immediately confusions (which would also require Kirby to not try turn one as he would certainly outspeed her) which would then be a random chance who wins (assuming the confusion even hits in the first place)
I feel like you forgot that puff is way faster and smarter then Kirby so she could easily dodge his attacks
My house has been split in half for what ever reason but it's the usual for me of course
Bro went Mad From the Revelation of trying to science the Kirby franchise. Now he knows how Death Battle felt trying to do the same thing lmao! Wiz pretty much had the same reaction.
Wow, I knew Kirby would win but I didn't realize that status effects would make this so close lol
Just thought of something for kirbys defence. Surely if he can output such insane force from his fist in megaton punch, he can take that force too because of newton's 3rd law
While I disagree with some of the stats shown, this was still an enjoyable watch and I'm really hyped for the next episode! Keep making banger episodes, this show is prob the best indie Vs show on yt rn
Thanks so much! And yeah that stats are all over the place for characters like this, so you could get a huge range on each character and they would all be equally as nonsensical 😂
@@HyperAnimationsYT most likely not I’m pretty sure he allows mini games if there in there own games not collabs
Really good fight,I like that you put xbox's voice in 17:13
Ayyy I’m glad someone noticed. He also screams as part of the cheers at 17:57
I think in one of the popstar cracking mini games, we actually get a measurement. It's about 1000 meters in diameter.
excuse me I got a question when is that updated version of Sonic vs Fox coming out? because I am very curious also you are a doing an amazing job of this series I love it how unique this series is in terms of researching and really love the animation and so excited to see the next match-up thank you for answering this question if you have a chance to do it
Sometime in September! It is taking that long because we are doing it totally from scratch with a hand drawn animation instead of sprites!
@@SmashBracket thank you so much for replying like when I first saw Link vs Ridley or Mario vs Mega Man I already fall in love with your show so much I just love everything about it and even know you made a mistake with the Sonic vs Fox it's ok besides every vs shows made mistakes sometimes
I like how you change the title screen on the video
Good job Kirby, you won Smash Bracket! But one question, where was that same energy when you were rap batting against The Very Hungry Caterpillar?
Lol
But isn't Jigglypuff only able to know four moves at once and has to level up or use a TM/HM to learn a new move, where it also has to forget one of the moves it already know?
He literally said all Pokémon will be accessed to their entire movepool at the beginning of Jigglypuff’s analysis.
canonically that is due to Pokemon League rules, not an innate limitation of Pokemon themselves
15:50 I CAUGHT THAT
ALSO *OOOOOW*
Jigglypuff has a base Special Attack of 45. It can use all these fancy elemental moves but they shouldn’t have even scratched Kirby
I could see Fire Blast LAUNCHING Kirby but not really hurting him lol
Yeah after watching it I doubt anything really hurt Kirby much lol he just kinda shrugged it all off.
To be honest puff attack Stat is 45 yet it can hit as hard as tnt exploding so yeah I don't think he's using stats
Even though Kirby win this fight and all. Just remember some thing silly about Kirby upgrade copy ability on sleeping ability. It actually heal him for sleeping and animator make kirby in sleeping copy ability too.
I never realized how close this was, good job.
19:50 I ain't so sure about that chief
@@fridgebanana101 well according to these rules, but I still think kirby destroys
Next time could be really interesting, due to I guess smash bracket scales pokemon and to how supernova will be interpreted (Dissidias explanation, being that Seph transports his enemy to a dimension were a solar system similar to our own is exploding, most likely dismissed since Dissidia is non-canon).
Hearing Kirby's "Right back at ya" brought so many memories😊🎉🥲
Really enjoyed all the episode from analysis to animation. All of it was so fun. Don't know if its one the irrelevant to fight thing but on kirby aspects how are you looking at milky way wishes copy essences and squeak squads stored abilities and what not in bubbles inside kirby.
2 more things that seem to be supported, when kirby inhales and copies an ability, he immediately masters said ability, and is able to use it to it's full extent. Also, the kirby anime also has some things to check out, if you really want a headache.
M1 abrams vs a fucking ant
He beat up the supposed most powerful fighter in all of planet popstar, galacta knight, who had absorbed the power of DEATH ITSELF
Looks like Jigglypuff got De-De-Destroyed by Kirby
also that Fight was 10/10 overall one of the Best Episodes of the Show soo far.
i have to say
pretty alright episode here
Told you the final blow would be devastating
It should be know Kirby doesn't have to inhale something to draw on the copy ability, in multiple games Kirby can store the abilities and choose them later
The kirby charecters are wiping the fights they have, if they have to fight against each other and not holding back at all that could take hours in universe time
Honestly, I was expecting Jigglypuff to squeak out a win, but I remembered that Kirby has casually defeated gods
I mean every Pokémon can beat gods so idk
In the Red Corner: A Pokémon that knows a lot of moves.
In the Blue Corner: What has been confirmed by Nintendo to be the juvenile form of an eldritch being.
High jump with hammer: that's not a thing
Destroys the entire planet: I'll allow it
The thing bout the post match is trying to say its a close match when the conclusion is literality: “I simply breath and you die.”
When will you be releasing the sonic vs fox music 2?
Also I loved the battle so hyped for Kirby!
This has probably been asked before, but why does Jiggs have more than 4 moves?
15:50 Time huh, thanks for the tip
Kirby's my prediction to win this entire tournament, but I'd love to hear anyone's arguments against it.
Facts
I REALLY want to see the calc you made for Kirby's meteor feat.
I love the idea that Kirby could destroy entire galaxies but instead just chooses to sleep and eat cake and use like 1/1000000 of his full power
*And he's a baby.*
Jiggypuff practically fought a igglybuff and lost horrendously.
Also another feat you should take into consideration is Kirby can outrun black holes
Kirby! Was it necessary to split the planet in half to defeat Jigglypuff?
Kirby: Poyo!
The start off the song is littrely the Kirby right back at ya opening music.
I like how jiggly puff was just getting lucky with the metronoms
Fun Fact: Jigglypuff can breathe in and out through her skin like a frog, which explains why she can sing for so long.
Considering Kirby is considered by Death Battle and half of the community to be stronger than even Majin Buu. I see no way a pathetic Jigglypuff could defeat a character with over planet level + abilities.
Sing
Hm, pretty good, I like the post analysis, and you do have a fair point.
Jigglypuff should've died the first hit
I really thought this battle would end with Kirby throwing a friend heart at puff
Jigglypuff at peak is building level. As where Kirby has shown Universal level feats. Honestly late series Dragon Ball Super Goku would be a more appropriate opponent for him.
I don't think anyone predicted wrong. Kirby absolutely hard curbstomped Jigglypuff
You're telling me if Jigglypuff learnt Foul Play, there'd be no fight?
If she even managed to hit him. Kirby has outran black holes before.
Jigglypuff:I'm gonna kill this bitch
Kirby:*dances like he dosen't give a shit*
The only way puff could of won in my eyes is attract plus toxic and just wait
Agree cooking other living beings in a pot alive is terrifying still waiting for death battle to admit there wrong about ben vs hal jordan
16:15 Which massively *boosts*
The post analysis was a lot more interesting than what I expected. How did you manage to calculate the baseball minigame by the way?
Writing this before finishing the episode cause I don't want to forget- this is really, REALLY funny. I love all of the visual gags that you use instead of solely relying on jokes in the script. Stuff like the silly descriptions for Jigglypuff's attacks and the fucking Ben 10 vs. Green Lantern thumbnail flying across the screen when you talk about time had me reeling.
Edit after finishing:... Welp, I have a feeling that my guess about this coming down to Kirby vs. Sephiroth in the finals might end up being correct. And that meteor feat is probably a way bigger number than Sephiroth's supernova. Unless y'all do something like actually buy into universal Joker, I don't think anyone in this tournament stands a chance against Sakurai's son. I love how you utilized so much of the characters' arsenals in this episode, too. With both of these series, it's tough to showcase everything that the characters are capable of, so I'm really impressed that you were able to work in stuff like Toxic and some of kirby's more underappreciated abilities like Metal.
It’s funny how I don’t think Universal Joker even matters if we put Kirby at his power stated by a official game itself. In Kirby Planet Robobot BASE Kirby is stated to literally be infinite in power, in BASE. Joker wouldn’t stand a chance against that
Remember Kirby will start a genocide over a piece of cake
As a giant Kirby fan, I think that they would become friends instead
Now that forgotten land is a thing,I would like to see how much stuff have changed.
childhood house pet vs Eldridge god slayer
Did Jigglypuff ever had a chance against Kirby?
I think kirby has a high chance of winning the whole tournament
Unless shulk is a thing
@@toad4552 he won't win lol
@@dinklefr oh
@@toad4552 it is because he gives up being god at that end of the game
@@dinklefr ok
nice the boombox plays the kirby right back at ya intro song
Kirby can’t die his game over is just him getting a little sleepy
Nethier can jigglypuff she would just faint
In my opinion the music for this fight slaps
sephiroth will be too iconic for mewtwo to handle
So I do have a question about the base ball minigame. Considering how strict certain rules can be for combatants and how feats need to be proven they can happen, how seriously can we take the measurements of lightspeed in that minigame?
Just to note I do agree with the result and thought the fight was pretty fun. I think my favorite part was all the moves Jigglypuff did. Helped keep the fight interesting.
Normally we couldn’t take them seriously. The issue with Kirby is that there is almost zero consistency across any of the measurements anywhere. It would have felt less faithful to me to have one of the only instances of getting objective measurements and discarding it. We debated on what to do with it for a while, but decided to allow it since things of this level are pretty substantiated within the series lore and statements. That said, while Kirby is insanely strong, he isn’t super strategic and this feat is far from a pass to the #1 spot
Really excited to see how you guys handle supernova!!
19:16 I can’t believe how powerful jiggly puff is,if she attacks
One of the most
Powerful characters…they will be be over heels for her,Just one kiss and they will be a simp.