Tonegawa is possibly one of the most realistic villains I can recall. A mid-age white-collar manager that surives the harshest business culture on earth.
It will always be the same if you sit around doing nothing to change yourself and expect everything to just "fall in place" for you. That's the true message.
Normally, those people would never wake up from their fantasy worlds. They live meaningless lives. They waste their precious days over nothing. No matter how old they get, they'll continue to say, "My real life hasn't started yet. The real me is still asleep, so that's why my life is such garbage." They continue to tell themselves that. And they age. Then die. And on their deathbeds, they will finally realize: the life they lived was the real thing. People don't live provisional lives, nor do they die provisional deaths. That's a simple fact! The problem... is whether they realize that simple fact. This scene changed my life
it was the original reason I quit playing games, started yoga + cross fit, studying hard in college, started NoFap, decided to get into stocks and business. I relapsed life happened clearly cross fit and injuries are synonymous. 5 years later, life happens I am here now. I am awake. The best I can do is aim for growth everyday. The time I spend depressed will not lead to growth. Be aligned with your purpose and work towards building skills. Sacrifice is needed. I have not found a way around that rule. Do not deny sleep, your family relationships, and your work. The rest isn't truly needed for your growth.
@Madhawk1995 I admire your mental strength. I was just thinking: how does one live a meaningful life? Working your ass off for money isn't so meaningful either. Lazing around isn't either. Building an empire just so you do not need to work and can laze around? That's just another excuse to laze around. What's so meaningful? Following your goals sounds good, and you will have purpose, but you will have to make up new goals as you go and some might have only meaning to you but be completely meaningless to others and humanity. I got a bit lost here... learning is surely a great goal. Always learning, trying something new. But what else is so "meaningful"? Even money only has meaning in our heads.
@@yvesarakawagames I think the ultimate goal should be to not have any regrets when you get old, so you can die happy without worrying about what you did or didn't do in your life. If you can afford to laze around then by all means, but it shouldn't be at the expense of your future.
@@Diabl0Mask I am not sure. What if a person with no conscience has no regrets when they grow old? Now I think it might be better to think more as a collective human race... and to think of others more, humans as well as animals, nature. Some people have no actual money-earning jobs but do a lot for humanity. Others die and only years later the books they have written have a huge positive impact on humanity. They might have been "losers" when they lived but they did everything they could to lead humanity to a better future. Maybe they also lazed around too but it's definitely better than dying in a war that you personally do not believe in or acting without integrity in daily life. But thanks for the input.
That's why it was in brackets. It's motivational for most, but for some it can be detrimental. Eg those who are coping and are too far gone. It might break them when they realise they can't do a thing about their own lives for a variety of reasons, like age or disability. Unlike most motivational speeches where there's no sense of despair or sadness, this goes both ways, another reason it's so good.
"No, it is impossible; it is impossible to convey the life-sensation of any given epoch of one’s existence--that which makes its truth, its meaning--its subtle and penetrating essence. It is impossible. We live, as we dream--alone.” - Joseph Conrad, Heart of Darkness
That's not good enough Bunnyboy. When you've lost your job, your wife took your kids and flew to an unknown country and your back, knees and neck are hurting from lack of exercise and age, it's gonna be hard to "just be happy".
@@LambLiesDownOnBroadway None of that has happened to me. It's just a common message found in many places that you need a deep meaning to sustain yourself when things are rough.
For those unaware, there's recently been a series released about this guy: *Mr. Tonegawa: Middle Management Blues* Here's a decent review on the kind of content you can expect from it: ruclips.net/video/-oYAziRidQQ/видео.html In a way, it's similar to Kaiji regarding it's overly serious and straightforward tone.
@@nautilus2612, John Korn You two are right, I might have phrased that poorly. Tthe show itself doesn't feel serious, and is more of a comedy. What I meant wasn't the show itself, but the way the characters act - which does create the cartoonish tone. Kaiji did have that over-the-top commentary from the narrator as well, but the ham-fisted delivery still managed to keep the tension sometimes due to the severity of the situation.
Rakhshas ... no? He may have done lot to kaiji, but he held on to that L. For about 12 seconds of voluntarily burning himself on the plate. He was completely serious about everything he's said and done and he has the balls to prove it.
Idk Got the degree, had a job, then experience with said job, contract ended and now that I'm out of a job I'm not getting hired for the same wage anymore. What's worse is I budgeted and lived well within my salary's means, so it's not like I can just go and work for a lower wage. Almost feel like having some fun in Minecraft, I have enough money to survive for a few months instead of fizzling out, maybe I should just go out in style.
You can see him achieving this in the Middle Manager Tonegawa spin off anime. It was incredibly rigged and Ichijou was really badly faking being surprised and scared that the casino is loosing. Safe to say something similar probably happened with Hyoudo initially. Kaiji is the only one who actually managed to beat it through insane planning and outsmarting the casino.
Tonegawa is possibly one of the most realistic villains I can recall. A mid-age white-collar manager that surives the harshest business culture on earth.
In the same vein people escape accountability in said culture yet want me to give good ideas just to be stolen or heavily resisted without proof.
@@MrVariant nobody knows what you are talking about.
@@inferno0020 your denial of a harsh business culture from your own comment stupefies me. Or maybe it's plausible deniability.
Go back to your mom's basement. Lazy bum.
If you really have a business to run, you won't have time to leave messages here.
@@inferno0020 you're leaving messages and my mom's dead. You just want to be cruel like the business owners and managers I referred to.
0:53 OH SHIT A WOMAN!!!
least desperate kaiji fan
He may be a villain, but wisdom flows from his mouth
この一連のセリフは、どんな自己啓発本よりも心に刺さるわ…
それな
そもそもお前自己啓発本読んだことないやろw
@@user-is5es3xl7u きもいな定期
@@jungtenesu7346
正論っぽい意見側を援護射撃してくれる奴のコメントの内容が過激すぎて場が白ける定期
刺さっても何も変わらないんだろ。俺はそうだった。素晴らしい金言を聞いても、その時はやろうって思える。でも酒飲んでテレビ見て、パチンコして仕事するだけの日々。このループから抜け出せない。何にも変えられないないんだ。結局は馬の耳に念仏なんだよ。悔しいが俺はそうだった。
This is honestly so true, no matter how much precious motivational words you throw in your self, the life you live will always be the same.
Brutal but brilliant!
everyone goes through this. from rich people to the street fellows, offcourse it's harder if you got nothing
but some say all you need to change is yourself
This is DEFINITELY not what is said here.
It will always be the same if you sit around doing nothing to change yourself and expect everything to just "fall in place" for you. That's the true message.
This is why this anime is so fucking amazing, even more so than the strategies.
This was a truly amazing speech, it's what pulled me into the show.
ほんと福本先生はこんな名言どうやって生み出してるの笑
感服の一言
経験しないと、この考えと言葉は出てこないw
一人でそれに気付くのは難しいよなあ....
This scene makes me wanna re-watch the whole anime.
Even more than that however, shouldn't it make you _stop_ watching anime for now, and focus on building the path of the life you want?
@@LinkEX My real life hasn’t started yet.
It’s been 6 years
I hope you’ve rewatched it at least twice
@@DekuStickGamer dude XD
Makes me want to stop watching anime.
Normally, those people would never wake up from their fantasy worlds. They live meaningless lives. They waste their precious days over nothing. No matter how old they get, they'll continue to say, "My real life hasn't started yet. The real me is still asleep, so that's why my life is such garbage." They continue to tell themselves that. And they age. Then die. And on their deathbeds, they will finally realize: the life they lived was the real thing. People don't live provisional lives, nor do they die provisional deaths. That's a simple fact! The problem... is whether they realize that simple fact.
This scene changed my life
it was the original reason I quit playing games, started yoga + cross fit, studying hard in college, started NoFap, decided to get into stocks and business. I relapsed life happened clearly cross fit and injuries are synonymous. 5 years later, life happens I am here now. I am awake. The best I can do is aim for growth everyday. The time I spend depressed will not lead to growth. Be aligned with your purpose and work towards building skills. Sacrifice is needed. I have not found a way around that rule. Do not deny sleep, your family relationships, and your work. The rest isn't truly needed for your growth.
@Madhawk1995 I admire your mental strength. I was just thinking: how does one live a meaningful life? Working your ass off for money isn't so meaningful either. Lazing around isn't either. Building an empire just so you do not need to work and can laze around? That's just another excuse to laze around. What's so meaningful? Following your goals sounds good, and you will have purpose, but you will have to make up new goals as you go and some might have only meaning to you but be completely meaningless to others and humanity. I got a bit lost here... learning is surely a great goal. Always learning, trying something new. But what else is so "meaningful"? Even money only has meaning in our heads.
@@yvesarakawagames I think the ultimate goal should be to not have any regrets when you get old, so you can die happy without worrying about what you did or didn't do in your life.
If you can afford to laze around then by all means, but it shouldn't be at the expense of your future.
@@Diabl0Mask I am not sure. What if a person with no conscience has no regrets when they grow old? Now I think it might be better to think more as a collective human race... and to think of others more, humans as well as animals, nature. Some people have no actual money-earning jobs but do a lot for humanity. Others die and only years later the books they have written have a huge positive impact on humanity. They might have been "losers" when they lived but they did everything they could to lead humanity to a better future. Maybe they also lazed around too but it's definitely better than dying in a war that you personally do not believe in or acting without integrity in daily life. But thanks for the input.
@@yvesarakawagames Wow best discussion in youtube i learned a lot from you guys
This speech is just excellent.
i go back to this just in case i procrastinate for long periods of time again
me either
Tonegawa has just changed my damn life
No he hasn't.
This scene alone puts Kaiji above copycats like Squidgame.
ya squidgame copy or inspired from movie THE SAW
None exageration, this speech is the best I've ever had from any media, so cruel, realistic and useful.
このセリフ、初めて聞いた時からずーーーっと頭の片隅にある
I just got some serious life lessons from a cartoon.
今まで生きてきた全てが本物。いいねー
全くの戯れ言
今まで生きてきた全てが本物だなんてあり得ない
@@user-xf5bw1iw7n
そうかね。
どんな成功者も成功するまでそこら辺にいるような人間と大差ない生活をしたことが少なからずあると思うぞ。
人なんてそんなもんだろ。しょうもないような経験が人を作るんだ。
君が何を本物じゃないといってるのかはわからないが、それすらも本物を構成している理由じゃないか？
@@user-xf5bw1iw7n 今までの人生は偽物だったのか？
faxxx
RUclipsで何度も見つけて何度も聞いてきたこのセリフ。聞くたびにグサグサ刺さるし、変わらなきゃと思うけど、寝て起きたらもう忘れてる。そして数ヶ月経過して、またおススメにこの動画が現れる。その繰り返し。一生変わらねーやw
tonegawa may be a terrible person, but he spits straight facts
Some wisdom, Reality is brutal but brilliant
The world has no equal.
This speech got me off my ass to get my driver's licence.
good on you man
hell yeah
You can do it :)
@@user-on4tz1od9g Thank you and so can you random person on the internet!
You're a champ
Theres nothing demotivating about this? Lol what. This line is the whole purpose of this show and some of the most valuable advice you'll ever hear
That's why it was in brackets. It's motivational for most, but for some it can be detrimental. Eg those who are coping and are too far gone. It might break them when they realise they can't do a thing about their own lives for a variety of reasons, like age or disability. Unlike most motivational speeches where there's no sense of despair or sadness, this goes both ways, another reason it's so good.
owned
@@Frost-E no, its only too late for people in their 50's
Life changing.
アカギは真剣になりすぎて命までかけてるからな…
アカギなら多分走って渡る
カイジは真剣すぎて耳まで切り落としてるけどな。
若い頃の鷲巣なら誰も思いつかない様な力業で渡りそう
両さんなら往復する。
@@bakedalaska7724両さんならそれだけにとどまらず、挙げ句の果てになぜか帝愛のNo.2、もしくは帝愛そのものを乗っ取って、そして最後はまた調子に乗って帝愛丸ごと道連れにして無一文になりそう。
いろんな人間を見てきたからこそ言える言葉、結論、核心
0:54- Poor figurant, he failed to date female Kaiji
She reminds me more of a female Ichijou! 😂
@@Sry342
Femboy Ichijou
Femboy Ichijou
身に沁みる言葉だ
仮に生きて仮に死ぬことはないという言葉について、寝不足の日は1日を惰性で過ごしてまさに仮に生きるような状態だと思っていましたがこの考え方も興味深いです。
一分一秒無駄にせず、本気で生きるぞ！と日々張り詰めて生きるのは疲れる。仮も何も人間そのものが無駄な事に拘る存在であり、仮に生きてると思えるような無駄や惰性も適度にあっての人生だよ。
Damn I can't find the part where Kaiji first puts his fut on the beam. The scream he lets out gives me chills.
geez, no need to throw so much truth in my life like that
awesome
This is the scene that got me into kaiji
I sure know a lot of people who need to fucking hear this.
Damn Tonegawa why you gotta do me like that? :(
自分への戒めで
何回このシーン見たことか😅
10+
利根川先生がまさかの笑ってはいけないの刺客(内容からスピンオフの方)
カイジは悪役の方がまともな事を言っている。
そこがカイジの面白味だよな。
正しいと分かっていても、普通は受け入れ難いよな
だからこそ主人公ではなく悪役に言わせてるのかも
作者も言ってるけどまともな事ではなくまとも風な事だぞ
カネは...人命より重い！！！
@@miyakosu7931 原作トネガワは普通に鬼畜で詭弁ばっかりだからな
テスト前にこれを聞いてる自分
Hes right you know
it's over.
Kino...
Lord jesus who is hyped for the tonegawa series!?
MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Did I miss something?! Edit: OOOMMMGG!!
We are not getting the old Voice Actor back though :/
Arka Mukherjee Not too worried about that, madhouse carefully thinks about fitting voice actors
Perfect narrator
めちゃくちゃいい事言ってる。
彼の言ってる事は、あくまでいい事風の事だからね。そうした前提で受け止めないと、作中の債務者達の如く、誰かに良い様に利用される弱者にすぎませんよ。
This is your life and its ending on moment at a time
So many ppl live in a dream like state.
"No, it is impossible; it is impossible to convey the life-sensation of any given epoch of one’s existence--that which makes its truth, its meaning--its subtle and penetrating essence. It is impossible. We live, as we dream--alone.”
- Joseph Conrad, Heart of Darkness
🔥
I think living a meaningful life is basically being happy and not regretting the life you've lived. :)
That's not good enough Bunnyboy. When you've lost your job, your wife took your kids and flew to an unknown country and your back, knees and neck are hurting from lack of exercise and age, it's gonna be hard to "just be happy".
@@theforgot3n1 I'm sorry if that has happened to you.... :/
@@theforgot3n1 thats not really his point though.
@@LambLiesDownOnBroadway None of that has happened to me. It's just a common message found in many places that you need a deep meaning to sustain yourself when things are rough.
@@anomitas Whose point? Tonegawa? I wasn't talking about him.
I feel like he's mocking us
真剣に勝負することができない、だからインチキした利根川は最後カイジに負けたのか
結局ブーメラン気味なのが真骨頂のような気がする
stop hitting me with real life experiences plz me git gut
For those unaware, there's recently been a series released about this guy:
*Mr. Tonegawa: Middle Management Blues*
Here's a decent review on the kind of content you can expect from it:
ruclips.net/video/-oYAziRidQQ/видео.html
In a way, it's similar to Kaiji regarding it's overly serious and straightforward tone.
What are you talking about? It's more of a comedy than anything.
There il nothing serious about the spinoff
@@nautilus2612, John Korn
You two are right, I might have phrased that poorly.
Tthe show itself doesn't feel serious, and is more of a comedy.
What I meant wasn't the show itself, but the way the characters act - which does create the cartoonish tone.
Kaiji did have that over-the-top commentary from the narrator as well, but the ham-fisted delivery still managed to keep the tension sometimes due to the severity of the situation.
Holy God
god stop exposing me
Fail to prepare. Prepare to fail.
Damn
Did u watcg this anime
He's referencing Jung and the Puer Aeternus with the "Provisional lives" line.
Fun Fact: Tonegawa is Right! That would be a Shame on your life if you dont have Meaning in your life.
A Tonegawa spin off anime i'ts comming this year!!!!!!
WHAT
Ree1981 Ree838383 episode 2 is out
このシーンが1番ささった
In the end, he never put his own wisdom into practice.
Rakhshas ... no? He may have done lot to kaiji, but he held on to that L. For about 12 seconds of voluntarily burning himself on the plate. He was completely serious about everything he's said and done and he has the balls to prove it.
Exactly, he was also one of the two people who won that Bog machine.
Actually they manipulated it I think
Yes, they manipulated it because they were serious and didn't rely on chance.
Last week episode of his spin off tells the history of the bog...
MUMMMMY!!!!!!!!!!! why does this hurt?
中間管理職からこっちに飛ばされると落差やばいわｗ
「本物の人生」言うが利根川さん、あんた焼き土下座をその身で浴びるまで楽観しすぎたんとちゃう？
利根川も班長も勝つ仕組みの元で余裕かましてただけで、カイジとの対戦でイカサマを看破された時は、いきなりサバンナに裸で放り出されたような感じだっただろうな。
@@donboy0581 fpsチーターが透視チート引っ剥がされたときみたいで草
brutal
Funny how the speech about not wasting your life comes from a glorified yesman
Steve Shoemaker I bet he still got everything he ever wanted
He's only a yesman for hyodo tho
If he got everything he wanted, then he spent his time wisely. ☺️
I know, what a fucking loser
yes but he gets his face fried off
白竜さんは滑舌があまりよくないけど利根川はこの声じゃなくちゃね！
まさに老獪
そこにナレーター立木文彦を加えたっていい。あいつらのいる『利根川』を俺は見たいんだ。
白竜やったんか
利根川の声優二人を愚弄する言葉なんだよなぁ
@@user-sr7bv2by5o 白竜の利根川以外ゴミやん
Idk
Got the degree, had a job, then experience with said job, contract ended and now that I'm out of a job I'm not getting hired for the same wage anymore. What's worse is I budgeted and lived well within my salary's means, so it's not like I can just go and work for a lower wage. Almost feel like having some fun in Minecraft, I have enough money to survive for a few months instead of fizzling out, maybe I should just go out in style.
My real life didn't start yet 😅
これを見ながら無駄な時間を過ごしている。
怠惰ですねぇ？
限りある人生だが、一分一秒無駄にせず有意義に使う事に拘り過ぎると生きることが苦痛になる。大体人間自身が無駄な存在であり、無駄も適度にあっての人生だ。
人生突き詰めれば無意味で無駄
こういう人達がリアルに沢山いるんだから怖い
Funny how this guy is also the guy who had problems remembering his subordinates' names lol
利根川はこの声じゃなきゃあかん
そうだよな、中間管理職利根川のあのナレーションはなんだ？！台無しにしやがる
@@user-om9wc4mh8p 悲しいなぁ
Is Tonegawa's VA here different from the spin-off?
In my opinion, this is best Gambling Anime than Kakegurui
Heck yes, even though this anime is gold i think only a minor audiences find it entertaining.
@@manhcuong3035 in Japan, Kaiji is the most popular and famous Gambling Anime.
Especially Men love this
Lol that thing is for waifus waifus and more waifus
自分の人生の本番はまだ先なんだ
"My real life hasn't started yet."
Since there was no "true life".
こわ
この素の感じがたまらん、演技感のない声色
それをわかってても真剣になれないのは10代でやることやってなかったツケと性格がでてしまってるんだよなぁ、、
「本物の人生」「真剣になれない病気」とそんな事を言ってる利根川自身が、勝つ仕組みに乗っかって安楽をむさぼってた驕りゆえに、やることをやってなかったツケと性格が数時間後に焼け土下座を喰らったと言う形で出てしまったんじゃないんですか？
現実では焼き土下座なんてやったら慰謝料もんだけどな
1:00
病室で医者に看取られながら死んでるから、まだ勝ち組な方じゃないかと。
ガチの負け組は、誰にも気にかけてもらえずに路上で野たれ死んでる。
In japan?
tonegawa was one of the only 3 people ever to beat the devil pachinko machine,,his portrait was hanging alongside hyodou's,when kaiji played
I thought that was rigged
@@luxwx it was
You can see him achieving this in the Middle Manager Tonegawa spin off anime. It was incredibly rigged and Ichijou was really badly faking being surprised and scared that the casino is loosing. Safe to say something similar probably happened with Hyoudo initially. Kaiji is the only one who actually managed to beat it through insane planning and outsmarting the casino.
otakus in a nutshell
watch full bridge scene from Kaiji -> ruclips.net/video/lzKNLNCKCTA/видео.html
言ってることの内容は青春映画のクライマックスで主人公が言いそうなことなのにｗｗ
1:07 Kurosaki? When do you get the medical license?
利根川先生
ゆたぼんにも是非言ってください
0:53 a woman?! In Kaiji?!!!
I thought they’ve all gone.
Plot twist: that's just Kaiji in drag
Or Ichijou lol
持ってる側の言葉だな
まあそういう人間がいるから
勝てるんけよ
こんなこと言っておきながらこっそり電流切ってるの草
こん時はまだ切ってない。佐原、カイジ、石田さんの三人になった時にこっそり切った
hey you are not allowed to say things that hurt me
俺もこんな病かもしれない
(De)motivational 😂
あっ、、僕だ、、、
一分一秒も無駄にできないんだって思う…
借金抱えた債務者の共食いに必死になる様子を見てほくそ笑む利根川達に胸糞悪さを覚えながらパソコンの前で眺めている我々は、「俺は一分一秒も無題にしていない！」なんて大声で言えるだろうか？限りある人生、有意義にしようと拘り過ぎると人生が苦痛になる。大体人間そのものが無駄な存在であり、狭い世界で言うなら漫画や小説も広い世界で言う科学技術も無駄と思われる様な事をつきつめたからこそ発展したわけで、無駄も適度にあっての人生だよ。
この言葉に何だかんだ説得力がないのは
老いて死ぬ
ということ
そんな生き方をしても老いて死ぬまで生きられてしまう
それならそれで良いじゃないかと思う
本当はもっと惨めにのたれ死ぬのに
いや、日本では何だかんだ生きられてしまう
マジになれるほど 若くもないんでね
الحوار هذا غير نظرتي للحياة
لا تؤمن إلا بالله
勉強して、一流企業に入って、出世競争して、上司にへつらい、取引先におべっかし、毎日律儀に会社に通い、40になって1000万貯めて、老いて死ぬ時思うだろう「人生丸々本物だったということに」
本番マンやな
最後まで言わせてやれ
So what`s the solution? How do you break the cycle?
Start your life now. Whatever it may be.
Stop working for Corpos lol.
Taking action and stop living your life passively
You need to watch this speech by Tonegawa.
ruclips.net/video/i_a9fiPi-7o/видео.htmlsi=wt-HauZm2cKRQw9Q
You need to watch this speech by Tonegawa.
https: // ruclips.net/video/g9h2aTMtKu4/видео.htmlsi=0A3n2-GuvCzrrLQz