Venge’s soulstrike facet giving her melee status attack also helps her a lot on terms of item flexibility and when attacking from the low ground. This facet isn’t only take. For the lower bat, the lower bat just makes it a no brainer choice for core and depending somewhat on the matchup, a good option for support.
just to add, Treant Protector has still 12% movement increase even without the Shard. so the Shard only use is Invi on trees and Invi on nature's grasp and root and root damage. treant with windlace and 2 iron woodbranches as starting item hits hard. 280 base movespeed + 20 windlace = 300 ms + 36 ms (12% guise in trees) = 336 ms 89 base damage + 2 branches = 91 raw damage (87-95 damage) specially paired with venomancer 50% slow, and get some blood grenades, yeah that's it. later get a orb of venom, did this with a pos 4 treant and pos 3 veno, against Slark and Silencer. I have never thought about that 12% increase but it mows down alot in early game especially enemies without boots while rotating to twin gates and moving through trees The sapling facet is so good. first time to play it on rank and it worked pretty well. its scary that it worked Too well
Lion melee fist build is pretty sick too. You have disables while having a strong nuke and with enough finger charges you are a tank with a strong physical attack as well, all 4 in 1
dude how do u only have 12k subs? every dota player who uses ur guides should sub! i bet ur gonna be easily the number 1 youtuber in terms of subs lol anyways thanks for the guides for the last 8 years!
I'm a treant user and I'm honestly surprised that people are sleeping on his sapling facet. He was a really good hero even before facet was a thing and the sapling increases his damage output in a teamfight by a ton. Max living armor and leech seed at l10 is really good too as it helps heroes survives from today's armor reduction core meta like ck, weaver, dk, slardar, TA, SF, and dmg amp by beast. When your core gets ganked, pop that living armor and your team have more than enough time to respond to the gank and counter.
Kinda expanding on Phoenix a bit. Hotspot is the better Facet to go due to the Insane extra damage you can deal with it. The scaling that's already there is just further multiplied, and gets better the later the game goes. It's cheap as you just need shard and the bear minimum to survive. Dying light is also good, but is better to secure the early game with aggressive plays. It dies off fairly quick unless you build for a lot of Health and Survivability. Makes sense for a core build. Good video over all! I just wanted to add something to the Phoenix section. (For no reason in particular)
@@johanfabriciochavezbarreto8419 On paper yes Though in practice going Hotspot's almost always better. You have a choice to farm for a Aether Lens to make the damage even better, but not necessary. Shard is mandatory, but no other items needed. Dying Light's great to help with laning and farming but that's kind of it. It doesn't work in Supernova, and it's dangerous for Phoenix to be out in the open for to long. That said I have had good success with Dying Light Mid as the extra damage can win you an early advantage. Other roles is user preference.
Nature prophet with Ironwood Treant is the best and only hero who can solo win the game. At lvl25 his summons push towers like they are creeps. Even with backdoor protection he can still take them down before you can tp to protect them.
I picked venge carry a few times in the last week and people kept calling me a troll lmao At lower mmr (like anything below divine) it’s kinda a shit pick because she doesn’t scale as well as a lot of the other carries + doesn’t farm fast by comparison. It feels like you want treads and bracer + wraith band + aghs then fight constantly until you win, and low MMR games just turn into farmfests where you lose because your team doesn’t recognize the win conditions of the game; they’ll not force fights on your aghs/15 powerspikes and let the enemy carry farm
I think warlock is insane. The fact that he summons imps from kills makes him a menace in lane and even in teamfights ,especially against summoners and around creeps and neutral creeps. All of his spells are busted and even his nerfed golem is.
I love your guides and the fact that you keep us to date with the updates Torte , but imo these weekly update that are broken AF is showing players like me that plays for fun, that the game is dead and the devs are ruining a game that was great for 20 yrs... Dota became a sesonal game or one that brings money in from pro players that go to tournaments and bring money for the dota franchise...
Hi torte i want to report some bug related to some of your old guides on item that cause lag/freeze game when i hover mouse on the item. Some examples are snapfire’s rod of atos, dk’s daedalus. I think its because those guide are old or something
4:50 it's funny how you answered me that you made a mistake in your previous guide and in this video you made it again 😂 Base attack speed is 100 on most heroes + attack speed from agility. Butterfly is not lowering this number. If you want to avoid these misinterpretations, say that something will increase attack rate. Correct and intuitive.
Ursa eat Chaos Knight. I tried a lot, he whoops Chaos's ass. Chaos has no escaping skill to kite Ursa. On the other hand, Chaos counters 80% of heroes currently.
chaos knight is not broken, they are basing it on low mmr winrates. a lot of those who pick ck are garbage players and dont know how to use illus and when to group up
what do you mean basing it on low mmr players? pros pick it and top mmr pick it, its not OP but its top tier strong carry. always watching top pros and every hero in this list is always pick or ban.
For those who read the comments, I think Broodmother is secretly very strong 🤐
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Thats why you still suck i guess hahahahahahahaha
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So true lol
Start to play dota in 2015 when I’m just have 14 years, using your builds for almost 9 years. Thanks
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Subbed because I've been choosing your in game guides for years. Didn't know you were on youtube.
Here I am :), thank you
Venge’s soulstrike facet giving her melee status attack also helps her a lot on terms of item flexibility and when attacking from the low ground. This facet isn’t only take. For the lower bat, the lower bat just makes it a no brainer choice for core and depending somewhat on the matchup, a good option for support.
just to add, Treant Protector has still 12% movement increase even without the Shard.
so the Shard only use is Invi on trees and Invi on nature's grasp and root and root damage.
treant with windlace and 2 iron woodbranches as starting item hits hard.
280 base movespeed + 20 windlace = 300 ms + 36 ms (12% guise in trees) = 336 ms
89 base damage + 2 branches = 91 raw damage (87-95 damage)
specially paired with venomancer 50% slow, and get some blood grenades, yeah that's it.
later get a orb of venom, did this with a pos 4 treant and pos 3 veno, against Slark and Silencer.
I have never thought about that 12% increase but it mows down alot in early game especially enemies without boots while rotating to twin gates and moving through trees
The sapling facet is so good. first time to play it on rank and it worked pretty well. its scary that it worked Too well
Lion melee fist build is pretty sick too. You have disables while having a strong nuke and with enough finger charges you are a tank with a strong physical attack as well, all 4 in 1
dude how do u only have 12k subs? every dota player who uses ur guides should sub! i bet ur gonna be easily the number 1 youtuber in terms of subs lol anyways thanks for the guides for the last 8 years!
So happy to hear the voice of the dude that is technically my Dota 2 Sensei because of me following your builds from when I was starting up till now
I'm a treant user and I'm honestly surprised that people are sleeping on his sapling facet. He was a really good hero even before facet was a thing and the sapling increases his damage output in a teamfight by a ton. Max living armor and leech seed at l10 is really good too as it helps heroes survives from today's armor reduction core meta like ck, weaver, dk, slardar, TA, SF, and dmg amp by beast. When your core gets ganked, pop that living armor and your team have more than enough time to respond to the gank and counter.
Ive always used your in game guides, i never knew you were a real person with a yt channel. Mind blown, subbed.
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Kinda expanding on Phoenix a bit.
Hotspot is the better Facet to go due to the Insane extra damage you can deal with it.
The scaling that's already there is just further multiplied, and gets better the later the game goes.
It's cheap as you just need shard and the bear minimum to survive.
Dying light is also good, but is better to secure the early game with aggressive plays.
It dies off fairly quick unless you build for a lot of Health and Survivability.
Makes sense for a core build.
Good video over all! I just wanted to add something to the Phoenix section.
(For no reason in particular)
So position 3 phoenix dying light and 4 or 5 phoenix hotspot?
@@johanfabriciochavezbarreto8419
On paper yes
Though in practice going Hotspot's almost always better.
You have a choice to farm for a Aether Lens to make the damage even better, but not necessary. Shard is mandatory, but no other items needed.
Dying Light's great to help with laning and farming but that's kind of it. It doesn't work in Supernova, and it's dangerous for Phoenix to be out in the open for to long.
That said I have had good success with Dying Light Mid as the extra damage can win you an early advantage. Other roles is user preference.
Nature prophet with Ironwood Treant is the best and only hero who can solo win the game. At lvl25 his summons push towers like they are creeps. Even with backdoor protection he can still take them down before you can tp to protect them.
I picked venge carry a few times in the last week and people kept calling me a troll lmao
At lower mmr (like anything below divine) it’s kinda a shit pick because she doesn’t scale as well as a lot of the other carries + doesn’t farm fast by comparison. It feels like you want treads and bracer + wraith band + aghs then fight constantly until you win, and low MMR games just turn into farmfests where you lose because your team doesn’t recognize the win conditions of the game; they’ll not force fights on your aghs/15 powerspikes and let the enemy carry farm
eyyy first time seeing the man behind the in-game guides
Hello
@@TorteDeLini I use your guides more than the Dota Plus suggestions 😁
I think warlock is insane. The fact that he summons imps from kills makes him a menace in lane and even in teamfights ,especially against summoners and around creeps and neutral creeps. All of his spells are busted and even his nerfed golem is.
Great beginner hero
He is really static hero, what is lvl 4 warlock gonna do at min 6 rune?
They fucked up Lifestealer, he is literally a creep now
omg its you bro been using your guides ever since this is the first time i see your face .. thanks a lot bro
Enjoy
You’ve helped me a lot. Here at 12.7k
That's insane haha, no way!
veno is soooo good right now. the double ult facet simply wins some fight by itself
Bro you are my professional dota teacher ❤
ohhh tort de lini i always follow ur build guide!
As a phoenix player you should play this hero. My lifetime wr is ~60% but these last 2 patches its been around 80%
I believe it, love her
@@TorteDeLini Phoenix is a male check his facet
I love your guides and the fact that you keep us to date with the updates Torte , but imo these weekly update that are broken AF is showing players like me that plays for fun, that the game is dead and the devs are ruining a game that was great for 20 yrs... Dota became a sesonal game or one that brings money in from pro players that go to tournaments and bring money for the dota franchise...
Thank you senpai!
Hi torte i want to report some bug related to some of your old guides on item that cause lag/freeze game when i hover mouse on the item. Some examples are snapfire’s rod of atos, dk’s daedalus. I think its because those guide are old or something
The item descriptions may be outdated, let me fix them now.
Without your guide, I can't play DoTA at all, I'm at 6500 MMR, but without your guide, I think it would be only 2k.
Haha you're very sweet, but I'm pretty sure you are where you are from your skill! Congrats on 6.5k!
4:50 it's funny how you answered me that you made a mistake in your previous guide and in this video you made it again 😂
Base attack speed is 100 on most heroes + attack speed from agility. Butterfly is not lowering this number.
If you want to avoid these misinterpretations, say that something will increase attack rate. Correct and intuitive.
I actually made a separate mistake where I said it lowers base attack speed instead of increasing it. 🥲 I made sure not to say base attack time
@@TorteDeLini My intentions are not about pointing at wrong things so you can avoid them. I want you to learn so you can teach other players 😀
Haha, I am just teasing myself that I technically didn't make the same mistake, I made a brand new one
i forgot he was a real person XD. i thought his account was just a guide factory
Awesome video keep it up bro ♥️
Thanks! Will do!
Phoenix is so much fun lately. 😂
I’ve been seeing lots of brood too, is she any good?
Check my pinned comment (yes)
Ursa eat Chaos Knight. I tried a lot, he whoops Chaos's ass. Chaos has no escaping skill to kite Ursa. On the other hand, Chaos counters 80% of heroes currently.
Ursa is just a horseshit hero
@@TorteDeLini Ursa is great hero. I don't understand why you think it is bad hero while you already praised it in this video.
Sorry I meant horseshit as in bullshit op 😂
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hello torte! just curious what rank are you right now?
Rank 1 in guides
What does B-A-T mean? 4:28
Base Attack Time
So you're the one who make build guide on dota 2 xD
🙂
Does break actually work for innate abilities? I tested break against Shadow Shaman's innate, and it definitely doesn't work.
Yes for some: www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1daraty/exhaustive_list_of_every_innate_ability_and/
" since the release of phantasmagoria "actually ck phantasams were always greater illusions and were never killable by hex
Yes, but not from manta
Im so glad my broken pick didnt get mentioned this time. Noone ever picks or ban it huehuehue
What pick is that haha
Carry?
I played skywrath mage with mjolnir bloodstone and radiance 😂 pick shield facet. Simply cant die gg
necro?
Its night stalker :)
Why people keep picking venge carry? It sure lose rate
I recommend Pos 3 Vengeful personally
Wait, omg you actually exist
cancer patch if i wanted a ursa tiny ck and sb meta id play league of legends, uninstalled this patch until they nerf ursa and bara to shit tier again
Chaos Knight players when Sven gets picked: 🤡💀
Sven sucks
@@aminhastam6769 sounds like skill issue 💀
Pitt Lord?
Couldn't fit him in, he's good
@@TorteDeLini yes... he can be a monster in team fights... constant pitts and overall health % drain. Plus he can even be played as a carry lol.
Please stop buying euls on sf... it's useless unless you really need dispel
That's not true, it's to set up your requiem of souls
chaos knight is not broken, they are basing it on low mmr winrates. a lot of those who pick ck are garbage players and dont know how to use illus and when to group up
i second that. low mmr players cant flash farm with illu. ck is broken on higher ranks not much in the below but still good.
what do you mean basing it on low mmr players? pros pick it and top mmr pick it, its not OP but its top tier strong carry. always watching top pros and every hero in this list is always pick or ban.
if a hero is broken in the right hand, then the hero itself is broken, not the hand
@@yoink9148 ck is broken. too OP if u dont agree go play see it urself
I'm tired of seeing sb
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