Definitely different reels. Both are nice but, built for different purpose. Silver Creek for short range, Gekkabijin for long range. I will get the reel out on the water and I can give you a better analysis for perfomance.
GekkaBijin in a standard and with Roro AX24 spool (and with Chamelleon spool). Chammelleon is not very good but it's still usable. Alphas ct with K.T.F and Roro spool. K.T.F. is really nice but with all taxes and custom dutys and expensive shipping it costed almost the price of the reel. Sometimes some cheap chinese reels like tuned Shakespeare Agility.
Good question! I forgot to mention that. The moving inductor in most Daiwa reels work best when casting a "normal" distance. The slight lag with the inductor moving can make short casting inconsistent, as there isn't enough distance to turn the inductor out/in during the cast. Most short range casting require very light braking, and are not affected by wind as much so, having a light constant brake is deal. My next video will explain more in detail while casting.
@@HobieWanKenobi Because sv brake is launched out due to spool acceleration generated torque between inductor and launching ramp, in every shortest and slowest there is not necessary enough acceleration, and therefore it's unsure in which cast inductor is launched and in which cast it's not launched. (But in every normal cast there is enough acceleration to launch sv inductor.)
I was thinking about getting that rod. I am not sure what the action is truly like though. I never felt it in hand. I would like to review it. Can you email me at hobiewankenobi@hotmail.com? I want more info on the rod please
I have an inkling to procure the Gekkabijin and let it ride on my Yamaga Blanks 82B. Is it advisable to fill the Gekkabijin spool to the top of the "shouldered" spool edge? This is an 8'2" rod that is great with 1/8-3/8 cranks and smaller beetle spin type lures, but obviously I need/want more line capacity for the long casts with say, 10-15 braid. Appreciate your passion for the JDM BFS genre and culture my friend.
How do you like the silver creek rods? I saw plat started preorder for the '22 silver creek rods. Was planning on getting a tenryu rayz but cant find any in stock. So now its either majorcraft banshee or daiwa silvercreek.
I have the Silver Creek AGS 52L-B. It is a little on the stiff side for most of my fishing. VERY sensitive and I most often use it for panfish. I bring it to the streams when I am targeting bigger trout. Seems like the non-AGS versions are a little softer and tend to work better as all around stream rods.
This is a sick looking reel. Great color combination but hard to fit color wise to a rod. I would really appreciate if you show an in depth maintenance video (particularly removing the worm shaft and TW wing). I remove the worm shaft every time I do maintenance, but with the T wing I never did (fear of damaging the T wing). A comparison might be as well very interesting…Greetings from Germany!
I will have the Gekkabijin and Silver Creek side by side to compare internals. As far as a rod to match...I luckily still have my Daiwa Silver Creek AGS rod. Looks really nice together!!!
Hello Hobie! i recently picked up the silver creek after watching your videos, i just couldn't pass seeing how good it looks, i just wanted your insight on a few things if you dont mind, Do you think i will be needing the roro AX22 Spool for my silver creek? i bought that reel specifically for stream fishing, and sort of an "upgrade" from my curado bfs (i still love that reel) The lures i will be using are mainly Like the Jackall Chubby Pencil and Jackson T-Pivot, so In the range of 2g-3g ish, im just not sure if im able to get the same distance like how i used to with my curado bfs when using the silver creek since theres the fixed inductor system and so on, it will for sure take some time to get used to it but i just wanted your insight on that, and also, if it isnt too much to ask, you could check out my most recent video on my channel, just skim through the video to kind of get a general idea of how wide the streams im fishing are. Thankyou in advance!
@@HobieWanKenobi so the standard spool will do just fine? and do you think ill be having problems with reaching the same distance as when i used my curado bfs ? thanks!
@@DammDelta You will just have to see. People could have different experiences. The Silver Creek will do better with distance with lighter lures. Heavier, probably the same. Silver Creek will have more control
@@HobieWanKenobi oooh i didnt know that it will so more distance when using lighter lures, thanks for the reply! will be going stream fishing tommorow, hopefully all goes well
Hey Hobie, I’m still trying to understand how the reels are designed and works so forgive me if this is an ignorant question. I know this reel is tuned for short range precision casting, but is that due solely to the fixed inductor of the spool? If you were to use the Gekkabijin spool, would it be able to cast further?
Megabass reel do look nice. The newer Daiwa reels are fantastic. I am not sure there is anything Megabass could do to the Gekkabijin or Silver Creek to make them much better,
@@HobieWanKenobi To be honest with you I really like Shimano. I have couple Tatula sv tw not really happy. TWS is sticking some times. Very complicated to service . Shimano is friendly braking system and comfort.
@@HobieWanKenobi Yeah, lately I see the Japan seem to have new products coming up. But I couldn't understand their products review because it is all in Japanese.
@@vsonic86 Same here. I can read between the lines but, isn't the same as having a video in native language. Idk if to subscribe to me but, I do many videos of JDM fishing gear.
Hello, try to put a spool from gekkabijin and catch silver creek will there be a difference in comparison with geka itself The question is, do you need to buy two coils or you can buy a spool. I hope the translator translated correctly
I did put the spool from the Gekkabijin in to the Silver Creek reel. It works just fine. You would be able to buy other 28mm spool that fit in the reel and it will operate.
Thanks for the review especially on parts interchangeability. Would like to see (as you mentioned) some content with rods with more backbone for larger trout, walleye or big smallies. Great Channel.
Glad you liked the video. This spring I can put out some more walleye videos. Also, I have a ton of nice smallies by me but, been obsessed with catching big panfish the last couple years 😂
@@HobieWanKenobi BFS is not a term used by Daiwa .... because its a marketing term started by and used by Shimano on their equipment. Its a minor detail but one that everyone seems to be missing. Keep up the great videos.
If you are a saltwater fisherman throwing 1/8 to 1/4 ounce small crankbaits which one of these and others you have tried, would you recommend for long distance.?
If you are looking for a long cast BFS reel, Gekkabijin AIR TW (using braid). Saltwater safe too. At those weights, you can also consider a shallow Daiwa SV reel such as the Alphas CT SV.
Thank you, maybe you can make a video on wich reel can cast a yozuri 3d minow 1/4 ounce suspending lure the furthest we use that lure most in night fishing here with the lights, we always have trouble with it backlashing, and need a finess style caster ,they claim its a 1/4 ounce?
So it's now 2 years later and I just picked this reel up. I need something for trout specific (Yamame) in dense, small mountain streams. I hope this reel still provides the value it originally did in this modern market.
Which Steez? Steez AIR will cast lighter lure better. I haven't done enough testing yet to see where the overlap with the Gekkabijin and other BFS reels is
Great informative video as always. Looking forward to the rest of the review. Still debating whether or not to purchase since I have the gekka. I still can’t wrap my head around the price difference.
@@HobieWanKenobi I bet so...I think I'm going to get the new aldebaran bfs hg. I've been watching videos and reviews about it and people have literally been burying this reel under a slew of scrutiny. That not going to deter me. I'm very excited about it, its the first low profile bfs reel with micro module gears. I bet it will preform better than the last aldebaran bfs with the changes that have been made to the spool and braking unit. I also think it's a good looking reel but definitely not as good looking as this reel.
Hello and thank you very much for another useful and interesting video. I love Daiwa and I'm waiting for my left handed prepaid Gekka (out of stock on Digitaka now). I recently got my Shimano Curado BFS XG and I was very pleased with this reel while testing it out in my snowy backyard. It works better than my Daiwa Alphas CT SV with small lures. I hope Gekka will be even better. Can't wait for spring and open water to test them all!
Comment below what BFS reels you have been using!!!
Gekkabijin has been nice. Casts super far and is smooth. Might have to order this reel too.
Definitely different reels. Both are nice but, built for different purpose. Silver Creek for short range, Gekkabijin for long range. I will get the reel out on the water and I can give you a better analysis for perfomance.
GekkaBijin in a standard and with Roro AX24 spool (and with Chamelleon spool). Chammelleon is not very good but it's still usable.
Alphas ct with K.T.F and Roro spool. K.T.F. is really nice but with all taxes and custom dutys and expensive shipping it costed almost the price of the reel.
Sometimes some cheap chinese reels like tuned Shakespeare Agility.
Gekkabijin with the Roro AX24 spool has been my favorite BFS reel.
Curado bfs mostly. Had the zephyr first but now I hardly touch it
三兄弟全て持っています。渓流用のカスタムモデルなので、ショートキャストには良いかと思っています。
It is great for short to mid range casting.
Let's see ya slay some trout. Steelhead would be nice off the bfs
I am hoping to 🤣
What is the advantage of having the inductor being stationary?
Good question! I forgot to mention that. The moving inductor in most Daiwa reels work best when casting a "normal" distance. The slight lag with the inductor moving can make short casting inconsistent, as there isn't enough distance to turn the inductor out/in during the cast. Most short range casting require very light braking, and are not affected by wind as much so, having a light constant brake is deal. My next video will explain more in detail while casting.
@@HobieWanKenobi Because sv brake is launched out due to spool acceleration generated torque between inductor and launching ramp, in every shortest and slowest there is not necessary enough acceleration, and therefore it's unsure in which cast inductor is launched and in which cast it's not launched. (But in every normal cast there is enough acceleration to launch sv inductor.)
True. The moving inductor braking system cannot function because there is not enough force or time to allow it to work to its potential.
If you have the Alphas Air TW with Roro AX22 spool, then thats basically a Stream Custom
Kinda. A little different casting profile but, you are right. That reel/spool combo is great on the stream.
hi hobie love yr videos. would you so kindly give the the link you buy the handle you install at the gekkabijin. would be much apprciate.
Here is the link to the exact knobs I have on the Gekkabijin. I am using the stock handle. www.digitaka.com/item/4/12/100/4560454387011
Today I felt the new Daiwa Silver Creek glass rod. 51LB-G. Looking forward to you reviewing this rod.
I was thinking about getting that rod. I am not sure what the action is truly like though. I never felt it in hand. I would like to review it. Can you email me at hobiewankenobi@hotmail.com? I want more info on the rod please
G'day, I'm a bit confused with understanding the line capacity of the reel. Why does it hold the same amount (40m) of 0.20 and 0.06mm PE ?
The line capacities are an estimate. The recommendation of 0.6goh (Japanese line rating) is preferred but, monofilament and FC can be used as well.
I have an inkling to procure the Gekkabijin and let it ride on my Yamaga Blanks 82B. Is it advisable to fill the Gekkabijin spool to the top of the "shouldered" spool edge? This is an 8'2" rod that is great with 1/8-3/8 cranks and smaller beetle spin type lures, but obviously I need/want more line capacity for the long casts with say, 10-15 braid.
Appreciate your passion for the JDM BFS genre and culture my friend.
I would leave a small amount of room by the spool lip.
How do you like the silver creek rods? I saw plat started preorder for the '22 silver creek rods. Was planning on getting a tenryu rayz but cant find any in stock. So now its either majorcraft banshee or daiwa silvercreek.
I have the Silver Creek AGS 52L-B. It is a little on the stiff side for most of my fishing. VERY sensitive and I most often use it for panfish. I bring it to the streams when I am targeting bigger trout. Seems like the non-AGS versions are a little softer and tend to work better as all around stream rods.
yo hobie..did you see there is a new 2022 alderbaran bfs coming out?figures,i just bought the original one!..lol..im gonna buy 1 anyway
You know it!!! I am getting it and will be comparing it to the other new BFS reels.
I would like to see a compare video between Gekkabijin and Calcutta Conquest BFS please!
Ok. That will be a good one!!!
Thanks for this super clear review!
Glad it was helpful! I am excited to get the reel on the water and see how it performs.
This is a sick looking reel. Great color combination but hard to fit color wise to a rod. I would really appreciate if you show an in depth maintenance video (particularly removing the worm shaft and TW wing). I remove the worm shaft every time I do maintenance, but with the T wing I never did (fear of damaging the T wing). A comparison might be as well very interesting…Greetings from Germany!
I will have the Gekkabijin and Silver Creek side by side to compare internals. As far as a rod to match...I luckily still have my Daiwa Silver Creek AGS rod. Looks really nice together!!!
Pairs super well with the ace hawk cu double.
@@oldtrev5513 Sweet. Good to know
Hello Hobie! i recently picked up the silver creek after watching your videos, i just couldn't pass seeing how good it looks, i just wanted your insight on a few things if you dont mind, Do you think i will be needing the roro AX22 Spool for my silver creek? i bought that reel specifically for stream fishing, and sort of an "upgrade" from my curado bfs (i still love that reel) The lures i will be using are mainly Like the Jackall Chubby Pencil and Jackson T-Pivot, so In the range of 2g-3g ish, im just not sure if im able to get the same distance like how i used to with my curado bfs when using the silver creek since theres the fixed inductor system and so on, it will for sure take some time to get used to it but i just wanted your insight on that, and also, if it isnt too much to ask, you could check out my most recent video on my channel, just skim through the video to kind of get a general idea of how wide the streams im fishing are. Thankyou in advance!
The Silver Creek doesn't really need an upgraded spool. The AX22 helps with 1-2gr but, heavier than that it starts to lose its advantages.
@@HobieWanKenobi so the standard spool will do just fine? and do you think ill be having problems with reaching the same distance as when i used my curado bfs ? thanks!
@@DammDelta You will just have to see. People could have different experiences. The Silver Creek will do better with distance with lighter lures. Heavier, probably the same. Silver Creek will have more control
@@HobieWanKenobi oooh i didnt know that it will so more distance when using lighter lures, thanks for the reply! will be going stream fishing tommorow, hopefully all goes well
@@DammDelta Good luck!
They're on sale at Plat for $230+ free ship. Doc
That's a pretty good deal
Hey Hobie, I’m still trying to understand how the reels are designed and works so forgive me if this is an ignorant question. I know this reel is tuned for short range precision casting, but is that due solely to the fixed inductor of the spool? If you were to use the Gekkabijin spool, would it be able to cast further?
The spool is why it is short range.
I believe Megabass tuned by Ito is much better reel. I do know Daiwa build reel for Megabass but this is my opinion.
Megabass reel do look nice. The newer Daiwa reels are fantastic. I am not sure there is anything Megabass could do to the Gekkabijin or Silver Creek to make them much better,
I do believe that Megabass tunes an already excellent reel and sells it way overpriced. I would never pay such an uplift for minor improvements.
Daiwa's new "Hyper" gears are really nice.
@@HobieWanKenobi To be honest with you I really like Shimano. I have couple Tatula sv tw not really happy. TWS is sticking some times. Very complicated to service . Shimano is friendly braking system and comfort.
The TWS has been fine with me for years. A little more labor to service but, is easy once you do it a few times.
Hello, first good video. Do you have to pay customs duty if you buy something from Digitaka?
I have never paid customs in the USA. Every country is different though
I know its not close to the quality of reels you use but it would be nice to see your opinion on the fishing planet atlaua.
I will check it out
I wonder how the silver creek and gekkabijin compare to the new aldebaren 🤔
Me too 😂. I will find out though
Damn finally some English speaking.
English is my second language 🤣. JK but, I do try to get info out to people so they can make a more informed decision to buy tackle.
@@HobieWanKenobi Yeah, lately I see the Japan seem to have new products coming up. But I couldn't understand their products review because it is all in Japanese.
@@vsonic86 Same here. I can read between the lines but, isn't the same as having a video in native language. Idk if to subscribe to me but, I do many videos of JDM fishing gear.
@@HobieWanKenobi Damn I was hoping you can do some video review about the new Daiwa Exist 2022 lol.
@@vsonic86 Haha...I don't mess with spinning reels. I know people been talking about it on the TackleTour forums.
Curious inside the gearbox, what gear wheel are they using? Brass?
My assumption is aluminum. I will be taking the reel apart and showing the internals in a future video.
Hello, try to put a spool from gekkabijin and catch silver creek will there be a difference in comparison with geka itself
The question is, do you need to buy two coils or you can buy a spool. I hope the translator translated correctly
I did put the spool from the Gekkabijin in to the Silver Creek reel. It works just fine. You would be able to buy other 28mm spool that fit in the reel and it will operate.
@@HobieWanKenobi Thanks a lot.
No problem. Thank you for watching 🤗
Nice comparison and an interesting reel, too... The on the water review will solidify its rank among the other BFS reels, Daiwa has out currently... 🤔
It will be the ultimate test
@@HobieWanKenobi 💯🍺🎣
Maybe consider it...THE REEL TEST!!!
@@HobieWanKenobi a comparison between 2 Daiwa reels from The Reel Test? You know he is a Shimano Fanboy?
@@arnemueller2112 What Daiwa reels?
Does anyone have a link to the BFS saltwater reel mentioned at the very beginning of this video, I was not able to locate it while doing a search?
You talking about the Gekkabijin AIR TW (black and red reel? www.digitaka.com/items/4/4/2/GekkaBijin+AIR+TW+PE
@@HobieWanKenobi Must be, my poor spelling threw me off.
@@lakiraly Happens to me too 😂
Thanks for the review especially on parts interchangeability. Would like to see (as you mentioned) some content with rods with more backbone for larger trout, walleye or big smallies. Great Channel.
Glad you liked the video. This spring I can put out some more walleye videos. Also, I have a ton of nice smallies by me but, been obsessed with catching big panfish the last couple years 😂
@@HobieWanKenobi Dang panfish are fun! Love them on a light flyrod. If the bigguns all fought like them…zingggggg
Is the roro spool t35 compatible with the Walhami(月下美人) AirTw?
The Roro AX24 spool is compatible with the Silver Creek AIR TW, Alphas AIR TW and Gekkabijin AIR TW.
@@HobieWanKenobi I don't know about AX24 product😥..
Thank you for your answer:D
@@ycheeee rorolure.com/collections/roro-x-spool/products/roro-bfs-spool-diy-for-2021-daiwa-gekkabijin-air-tw-baitcasting-reel-ax24
If your talking Daiwa its Bait Fineese Fishing ... "BFS" is a Shimano marketing term
I am talking BFS, Bait Finesse System. A term used in all reel manufacturers and finesse baitcasting enthusiasts.
@@HobieWanKenobi BFS is not a term used by Daiwa .... because its a marketing term started by and used by Shimano on their equipment. Its a minor detail but one that everyone seems to be missing. Keep up the great videos.
Thank you. Yeah, BFS isnt used in the naming of Daiwa. They do use the term "bait finesse" in their descriptions though.
If you are a saltwater fisherman throwing 1/8 to 1/4 ounce small crankbaits which one of these and others you have tried, would you recommend for long distance.?
If you are looking for a long cast BFS reel, Gekkabijin AIR TW (using braid). Saltwater safe too. At those weights, you can also consider a shallow Daiwa SV reel such as the Alphas CT SV.
Thank you, maybe you can make a video on wich reel can cast a yozuri 3d minow 1/4 ounce suspending lure the furthest we use that lure most in night fishing here with the lights, we always have trouble with it backlashing, and need a finess style caster ,they claim its a 1/4 ounce?
@@rossionq110 I think I actually have that same lure!!!
@@HobieWanKenobi Nothing better for speckled trout at night with the lights. Thanks again!
So it's now 2 years later and I just picked this reel up. I need something for trout specific (Yamame) in dense, small mountain streams. I hope this reel still provides the value it originally did in this modern market.
It will provide value still. I use it regularly after all these years
@@HobieWanKenobi I quite enjoyed it. It was frustrating until I got it dialed in. I'm contemplating upgrading it with Roro spool/bearings
@@justinkayce9811 If you are able to cast your lures pretty flat and with good control and accuracy, no need to upgrade
aldebaran 22
Aldebaran is a pretty slick BFS reel
Your videos help me a lot !! 🙏🎣
Glad to hear it! Digitaka just got a restock of the Silver Creek in.
Daiwa released a alphas air 7.1 in japan.
Saw that. Kinda wierd. Probably new gear design because they abandoned the 8.6 gears for 8.5 in other models.
Which do you think casts lighter lures the furthest? Between the steez and the gekkabinjin?
Thank you in advance sir
Which Steez? Steez AIR will cast lighter lure better. I haven't done enough testing yet to see where the overlap with the Gekkabijin and other BFS reels is
@@HobieWanKenobi the air
@@HobieWanKenobi air cast better but do you think further ?
Thank you
With 3gr and up, I think the Gekkabijin casts further
@@HobieWanKenobi thank u for your input
Do you prefer this reel over the Shimano Conquest BFS?
I haven't used this reel enough to make that determination yet. I will post video with that info soon!!!
@@HobieWanKenobi thanks for your response and great job on your very informative videos!
@@ronweber1510 No problem. Thank you for the kind words
Who painted that alphas air?
Sagisi Customs. He focuses on cerakote on guns, knives and other items instead of fishing reels
Great informative video as always. Looking forward to the rest of the review. Still debating whether or not to purchase since I have the gekka. I still can’t wrap my head around the price difference.
They are definitely for different uses.
Could you specify the differences beyond salt water?
@Benjamin Baumann, saltwater ratings are usually just for the bearings. Frame material can be a factor (magnesium frames general freshwater only).
Definitely worth every penny👌🏻
I will see when I get it out on the water!!! Sure looks the part.
I just got mine in love the color
The brown with gold fleck looks nice.
What do you think about the Stella is better than the vanquish the new ones or are you a spinning guy
@@raymondjohnson6496 I don't know much about the spinning reels
Wow that came out quick. Definitely a good looking reel, very classy with the cork handle knobs. Thanks for another good video....
Thanks for watching! It looks better in person
@@HobieWanKenobi I bet so...I think I'm going to get the new aldebaran bfs hg. I've been watching videos and reviews about it and people have literally been burying this reel under a slew of scrutiny. That not going to deter me. I'm very excited about it, its the first low profile bfs reel with micro module gears. I bet it will preform better than the last aldebaran bfs with the changes that have been made to the spool and braking unit. I also think it's a good looking reel but definitely not as good looking as this reel.
@@davidohlert4754 The 22 Aldebaran BFS isn't even out yet
@@HobieWanKenobi yea I know right, it comes out in February and the anticipation is killing me
@@HobieWanKenobi bassnbonsai and reel test both have videos on the upcoming 22 aldebaran bfs
Hello and thank you very much for another useful and interesting video. I love Daiwa and I'm waiting for my left handed prepaid Gekka (out of stock on Digitaka now). I recently got my Shimano Curado BFS XG and I was very pleased with this reel while testing it out in my snowy backyard. It works better than my Daiwa Alphas CT SV with small lures. I hope Gekka will be even better. Can't wait for spring and open water to test them all!
Gekkabijin is more of a distance oriented BFS reel but, is nice with light lures
Have you ever pre ordered anything from Digitaka?
I am not aware that Digitaka does preorders. Do they?
@@HobieWanKenobi Iam going to find out since they have the best prices
@@jeffreylenz7314 Fast shipping too!!! Let me know if they do please.
@@HobieWanKenobi no problem I order all my reels through them trying to pre order the new bantam A model. Other dealers want to close to retail
@@jeffreylenz7314 The new Bantam isn't on my radar. I had the one that came out a few years ago. Decent reel but, wasn't my thing.