This is the first Indian bash video I’ve seen. I’ve seen some guys talk about things they would change but every other video I’ve seen the bikes and company are praised. I own a 2016 Scout 60 and it is a phenomenal bike. Never had one problem with it. Smooth while idling, smooth at 90 mph. Can’t ask for a better bike.
6 дней назад
Yeah, it's 8 years old, maybe produced before things started happening wrong.
I agree, we own a Scout and a vintage. Each of them have had more recalls and very serious defects than of the vehicles I gave owned going back to 1973 and all of them combined. Horrible engineering, quality and customer service.
Maybe I'm just lucky, but gotta say: great dealer and service shop here in Austin (very reasonable, won't replace stuff that doesn't need it, none of the "bro/fake tough guy" vibe), can work/fix almost anything on my own, gets loads if compliments/looks/ thumbs up wherever I go--and is wonderfully fast and unfailingly reliable. The only problem? I've stopped shopping for bikes--haven't found anything else I like (love) more!
Here’s a list of major motorcycle manufacturers and some key issues that have been reported with certain models. Keep in mind that not every motorcycle from these brands will experience these problems. --- ### **1. Harley-Davidson** **Key Issues:** - **Electrical problems**: Issues with starters, charging systems, and battery drains. - **Heat management**: Excessive heat on Touring models, especially near the rider's legs. - **Transmission clunk**: Stiff or noisy shifting, especially on larger models. - **Oil leaks**: Common in older models or poorly maintained bikes. --- ### **2. Indian Motorcycle** **Key Issues:** - **Starter motor failure**: Reported in some Challenger and Scout models. - **Ride Command system glitches**: Display freezes or malfunctions. - **Electrical gremlins**: Battery drainage and inconsistent power delivery in some models. - **Suspension complaints**: Premature wear on suspension components in certain models. --- ### **3. Honda** **Key Issues:** - **DCT (Dual Clutch Transmission)**: Complaints of lag or jerky shifting in models like the Gold Wing. - **Stator failure**: Especially common in older CBR and VFR models. - **Fuel pump issues**: Some recent models experienced fuel pump recalls. - **Plastic body parts**: Prone to cracking or breaking on sportbike models. --- ### **4. Yamaha** **Key Issues:** - **Cam chain tensioner failure**: Noted in models like the R6 and FZ series. - **Fuel injector clogging**: A common problem in bikes stored for long periods. - **Throttle snatchiness**: Reported in MT-09 and FZ-09 models due to abrupt fuel injection. - **Weak suspension**: Stock suspension can wear out quickly under heavy loads. --- ### **5. Kawasaki** **Key Issues:** - **Regulator/rectifier failure**: Common on Ninja and older Z series bikes. - **ABS issues**: Faulty sensors leading to inconsistent braking on newer models. - **Excessive vibrations**: Felt in handlebars and footpegs, particularly in high-revving engines. - **Coolant leaks**: Notable in older Ninja models. --- ### **6. Suzuki** **Key Issues:** - **Stator and rectifier issues**: Common in GSX-R models and other sport bikes. - **Fuel pump problems**: Issues with fuel delivery leading to stalling. - **Clutch wear**: Premature clutch wear in high-performance bikes. - **Poor stock brakes**: Brake fade reported in certain models. --- ### **7. BMW Motorrad** **Key Issues:** - **Final drive failure**: Notable on R-series shaft-driven models. - **Electrical system faults**: Issues with CAN bus systems and sensors. - **Water pump leaks**: Common in some S1000RR and GS models. - **Fragile plastics**: Prone to damage in some adventure bikes. --- ### **8. KTM** **Key Issues:** - **Overheating**: Especially in EXC and adventure models. - **Electrical failures**: Dashboard and headlight problems in Duke and ADV models. - **Fuel pump issues**: Clogging and failure in certain adventure bikes. - **Vibration complaints**: Excessive vibration in single-cylinder models. --- ### **9. Ducati** **Key Issues:** - **Desmo valve maintenance**: High maintenance costs and frequency. - **Electrical failures**: Dashboard glitches and battery drains. - **Exhaust valve problems**: Common in Multistrada models. - **Clutch wear**: Dry clutch systems in older models require frequent service. --- ### **10. Triumph** **Key Issues:** - **Cam chain tensioner issues**: Common in Street Triple and Tiger models. - **Electrical problems**: Faulty switches and battery drainage. - **Oil leaks**: Seen in some Bonneville and older Tiger models. - **Throttle response issues**: Noted in newer ride-by-wire systems. --- ### **11. Royal Enfield** **Key Issues:** - **Engine vibration**: Excessive vibrations in older Bullet and Classic models. - **Oil leakage**: Not uncommon in air-cooled models. - **Rusting**: Prone to corrosion in humid climates. - **Clutch issues**: Premature wear reported in Himalayan and 650 Twins. --- ### **12. Aprilia** **Key Issues:** - **Electrical failures**: Particularly with RSV4 and Tuono models. - **Valve clearance maintenance**: High cost and labor-intensive service. - **Fueling issues**: Poor low-end response on some sport bikes. - **Overheating**: Especially in stop-and-go traffic. --- ### **13. Moto Guzzi** **Key Issues:** - **Drivetrain issues**: Shaft drive systems prone to wear. - **Electrical faults**: Issues with switches and dashboards. - **Oil leaks**: More frequent in older models. - **Limited parts availability**: Can result in long repair times. --- ### **14. Can-Am (Spyder and Ryker)** **Key Issues:** - **Transmission problems**: Automatic transmission issues on some models. - **Electronic stability system glitches**: Unintended engagement or errors. - **Heat buildup**: Felt by riders, especially on older Spyders. - **Brake wear**: Premature wear of stock braking systems. --- ### **15. Husqvarna** **Key Issues:** - **Electrical failures**: Mainly in off-road models. - **Fuel pump issues**: Clogging and failure in 701 and Svartpilen models. - **Overheating**: Common in single-cylinder off-road bikes. - **Fragile components**: Prone to damage under hard riding. --- ### Conclusion: While no motorcycle brand is perfect, many issues arise from specific model designs. Case in point-no brand is completely free from defects, not even Honda. My 1995 Honda Magna was a total lemon, and you know what? I still love Honda. Things happen; it’s the price we pay for wanting modern technology.
In the summer of 2022 my brother and I made a trip to the St. Paul Indian dealership because the demo truck was there. My brother had a 2015 Street Glide at the time and was looking at getting a new bike. Needless to say, neither of us were impressed by the bikes we rode. Some of the bikes looked like they were beat to hell. I get that some of those bikes get rode hard, but they just didn't seem like they'd hold up. My brother ended up buying another Street Glide, smoked a deer with it 2 months later, then bought a brand new Road Glide ST. He's got over 20k miles on it in 2 riding seasons without a problem.
In life there are always lemons. I myself have bought a few and attempted to fix what was broken or a design flaw by the manufacturers. Back in the early 70s the Japanese manufacturers were a breath of fresh air when it came to providing a bike that won’t leave ya walking. As time move on these Japanese manufacturers seem to be more interested in producing than fixing the issues that was overlooked at the factory. This is the same issues that plagued the British bike market that took them out of business by the late 70s. Pure junk bikes. Unreliable at any ride. Harleys I’ve owned a few in its early times bleed oil out of the engine cases an primary. The EVO seems to solve the leaks. Most of the early Harleys had poor quality when it came to solving the leaky engines. This all could be fixed by having the engine and cases machined to fit correctly with good gasket stuff plus understand the bikes. All this was the joy of riding before the new bikes are pledged with electronic crap. Anti traction, heated hand grips, seat warmer, low tire light, low fuel light, plug for the phone, intercom’s, a sound system ya can’t hear at 70 mph, windshields that go up and down and so on. What is the bike world coming to? Most of this ya don’t really need and you should be checking the bike over before ya fire it up. Two things the rider should be checking, tire pressure and the oils before any ride. Idiot lights are what they are. And if ya need an ass or hand warmer,then stay home or buy a convertible. I’m an older rider,been tossing a leg over a seat over 60 years,longer than most of ya been a live.Ride the bike for what it is.Freedom,wind in your face and the pleasures a ride can provide and learn how to work on your bike! As I heard you’ll never see a bike parked in front of a physics office. My old Harley cured me when I came home from hell a place called Vietnam. Thank you Harley Davidson for being there for me back in the day. Just an older experience guys opinion. Opinions are like asses, we all got one. See ya down the road.
It's my understanding that the new Harley's are plagued with wiring harness and electronic issues as well. That's unacceptable in this day and time. I'll stick with Japanese manufacturers all the way.
Yes the new cheap built 24 models do. I don’t like the little sewing machine engines. Good luck rebuilding a jap motor 20 years later it ain’t happening. Harley is not a throw away bike like jap bikes are.
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European cycles are great too. I love my 2020 Bonneville T120. I bought a used Yamaha SCR950 and it's snatchy throttle nearly killed me, caused me to lose control with all the bucking, causing me to cross into potentially opposing traffic. The Bonneville is smooth all the way.
@@andreychuprin7365 Good deal, maybe you're out of the woods, so to speak. I love all motorcycles by the way. I've owned a couple of Harleys over the years and had good experiences with both.
I think the OP was referring to the new 2024 Street Glide and Road Glide. You wouldn't have to search hard to find the electrical nightmares people were having with them.
I own the 2023 FTR. It’s a great bike. I knew of the cold starting issues on FTRs before I bought it (did my research). That’s not a problem for me. The bikes torque and handling are fantastic. The Indians, since being bought by Polaris, are slowly become a viable contender and make very reliable bikes overall, based on national reviews and recall data. I will agree that they need a better distribution channel and dealers. You take some great strides to bash Indian and their bikes because you have (or created) issues with your bike. That’s a shame. I am one of those people that saw, and appreciated, your previous reviews praising this bike, and I had already had mine for over a year with no issues, so agreed with you at the time, but I see you have done a 100 percent about face on your initial views. Unfortunate, but not unlike others who run into problems with something and then can’t wait to destroy everything they once praised about something. Can’t rely on any future reviews from you. Not that I didn’t appreciate your earlier content, but for someone to take such a scathing swing at Indian and there bike from your one experience, I’d question the long term validity of any of your future reviews. That said, thanks for your review and I hope you land a bike that suits your style better.
Uhhh, in regards to your cold start problems. Some engines need to turn over a few times for the cam sensor to do a full revolution and tell the computer which cylinder is on it's compression stroke. Just turning the engine over for one revolution isn't enough. Now, if the starting system isn't strong enough to turn the engine over multiple times, that's another story.
@@mrwhite2628 I have an old CB400F running fuel injection controlled by a Microsquirt. For EFI to be fully sequential the computer needs to know which cylinder is on it's intake stroke. It does that by either syncing the cam sensor with the crank sensor, or some of the really sophisticated ones can sense the fluctuations in the rpm as the starter motor cranks the engine. What are your credentials that make you so sure that I am full of BS?
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@@Rickd-jh7iw What are your credentials that nullifies his experience? Experience outweighs a piece of paper. His creditials are that he has had 68 motorcycles. Did you see that part? And besides that, this cold start problem and display problems and bugs are all over the forums, and even in some review articles. Oh, but they are all stupid too, huh?
They had an Indian demo day here a couple weeks ago. Went to one and rode the FTR and fell in love, the scout 60 not so much. They did another one down the road a few days later and I tried out the scout 101. It was great, until we were coming back and the screen got stuck, showed 2nd gear and 0 mph. I was on the freeway probably doing 80 mph. It also started making a weird sound when this happened. Loved it, until that happened. Thought it was weird that it would happen on a bike that only has 2k miles. I really wanted an FTR as my next bike, but been reconsidering to just sticking with Yamaha and getting the XSR900 instead.
Got A 2022 S model next month will be 3 years & will be paid 4 the only thing I have had to do is replace my back tire and change my oil and that’s it regular maintenance’this FTR is going to be in my possession till I am to old to Ride!! Nothing fun bike to ride one you look forward to getting on and taking out to ride!! (-I feel I’ve got my $ worth ❤!!’ )
Well I got my Ftr last week and rode it once because of the bad weather conditions. I also had problems starting the bike. Dont make me regret buying that bike. It feels so good driving it😂
The FTR is a great bike. Very fun to ride. It’s known for cold start and battery issues when it’s cold. That’s just something that comes with the FTR. Don’t regret it. It’s a good bike. I have many bikes and been riding for over 50 years. Take this guys personal attack with a grain of salt. Any bike can have issues. Just keep it maintained and enjoy it. The FTR is a good machine.
You will always get issues with new bikes the main problem Polaris face is its infrastructure. Not many dealers but also they have a policy not to help independent garages so you have less choice as a customer for warranty, parts & service. In fact this way of working keeps the parts cost high which is why they go that route. I owned two Indians, a Scout and a Roadmaster. I live in the UK and ride all year round and found no issues with the Scout. The build quality and service provided on the Roadmaster were very poor. Also Polaris do not want to help sort the situation out. We are talking a loss of over £8,000 due to a dealer not knowing how to set the rear axle causing issues for 5 months. Love the bikes Polaris not so much.
Dude, crank it over a little bit when starting. Not 0.5 sec on the start button and then question why it’s not starting. If u’d show a good few seconds of crank with no start then I’d say you might have a problem.
The starter kicked off on its own, doesn't let you keep cranking it otherwise I would. These indians are a one push start, u just press it once and it cranks by itself until it starts
Unfortunately my '24 Pursuit is, as of today, finishing up the 3rd week of its 2nd stay back at the dealership since I bought it at the end of August. It takes 2-3 tries to start it if the temperature is below 50º, wobbles at 25mph, and threw up a chassis fault light. They've already replaced the front tire in an effort to fix the wobble, but it didn't work. They told me last week they're trying a new clutch starter to address the starting issue, but I haven't heard an update on that (they don't "keep me posted" as they say they will, I just call them every Friday to find out what's going on with my bike). I didn't even bother to complain to the dealer that the RideCommand screen frequently fails to load. I'm not calling it junk and I'm not agreeing with this video, I just wish my luck with mine had been better than it has. I hope the dealer is able to sort all this out.
Maybe your bike has most of these issues because you work on it alone? I have owned the Indian for the past 7 years and have a totally different experience it. Love the brand and quality!
I was looking to get a V Twin naked bike next spring. This FTR 1200 weas at the top of the list. I was also considering a Ducati Monster, Ducati Streetfighter V2, and the Buell 1190sx. I wonder if I should be reconsidering the Indian. Edit: Maybe a MT-09 SP? Its a 3 cylinder I know.
And what bike would be the perfect bike, a harley right. Foh. They all can have issues. They're man made smh. 21 chieftain darkhourse. No issues. Next problem..
Purchased a '12 Victory Kingpin in '13 with 9 miles on it. Had to go to three differnt dealers to complete the purchase. (Warning) It was the year Polaris acquired the Indian brand name. In '17 when Polaris discontinued the Victory brand, I had a contract on a Polaris Slingshot which i promptly canceled. Polaris only cares about the sale and after that you are in essence on your own with ANY brand under their umbrella. They have no respect for their customers or dealers (no training for maintenance. The dealer did the 5k service and stripped the oil bolt, was not told, they used pipe thread to stop leak. Found it through another dealer at 10k service.) and that alone is what i attribute to massive sales decline. Now build quality issues. Stick a fork in them. Still have my Kingpin with just shy of 60k in the saddle. Too bad the corporate equity owners of Polaris don't understand the after sale experience is equally if not more important than the actual sale. Only reason i even heard about the Polaris Victory brand back in '13 was by word of mouth and have to say that was at Polaris heights in the battle against HD. Was at a local Indian dealer Demo event recently and had to laugh because instead of the 18 wheeler hauler with qreat fanfare, it was a small 5th wheel trailer looking like a dirty garage! How far they have fallen!
I love the look of the Indian but I have to stick with my Hondas. Reliability is my number one factor. Bought my tundra for same reason. I had two vehicles that were lemons so I have to go wth reliability. Sorry you have had sp many problems. The FTR is a good looking unit because I love the flat track look.
In 2020 i bought a 2019 base ftr and every time i started it the check engine light came on. I would run it until the temp came up then shut it off and restart and the check engine light stayed off. I traded that bike with 800 miles for a z900rs. Like you say never again. Great vid i am subscribing. I thought it was just my bike. I guess not.
*_"In 2020 i bought a 2019 base ftr and every time i started it the check engine light came on. I would run it until the temp came up then shut it off and restart and the check engine light stayed off."_* Catastrophe. How on Earth did you cope?
@@lovelivegofast You had a beautiful FTR and the engine is cracking. Very, very unusual to encounter starting issues post Lloyd'z tune. I do agree about some of the build quality, the string of problems that have afflicted this bike and the shite customer service from Polaris in addition to the exorbitant cost of spares. However, it was a joy to watch those videos you posted and hear the exhilaration in your voice riding this. Sounds like you haven't fallen out of love with that bike per se, rather, the brand.
-17 now in Alberta Canada, my GL1200 1984 has been one week under snow…I bet she will start, will run rough and grumpy for few minutes but she will work like a horse.
Just look at the way they (Polaris) treated their Victory customers... what, are you serious? Who would buy something for them?!?!?! AHAHAHAHAHA are you crazy????
I would not listen to the guy. I owned almost all cruiser brands, and Indians are the best. Do your own research, and don’t listen for a single case with a bad experience. Indian riders are much more happy than any other brands. Again, I’m not talking about FTR; I’m talking about Indian cruisers.
Why not Resto-Mod or RE-manufacture CLASSIC OLDER Indian or H.D. That are beautiful and "simple FROM THE GET GO. No computer or anything but Lights, Start/Run, Suspension and Breaks. No super hot, super tuned engines.. Just works great. Look at Honda with their SMALL 1960s remanufactured 125 trail bikes PEOPLE STILL LOVE THEM ride them to death, AND YOU CAN AFFORD THEM.. Harley especially needs to "simplify" the joy.
I think they're good quality. I've only seen a handful of ppl having issues with a Triumph. But even less so with the big 4 Japanese producers. In my book, Honda makes the most reliable bikes by far. Too bad very few of their bikes speak to me personally. If only they would sell some of their more fun models in the US.
6 дней назад
It's a you have to pass the bill before you can find out what's in the bill scenario.
Seriously, you got what you wanted...1930's technology cheapened by profit margin...Part of the riding experience is wrenching, and your're going to enjoy the hobby more than most...enjoy!
Thanks for your video! I have a Honda, Suzuki and an Aprilia that are all three wonderful motorcycles. Heck I even still have my first bike, a KTM 390 ADV that was apparently produced in India, which has been bulletproof. After test riding the 101 scout, it was definitely was on my radar! Thank you for saving me all kinds of $.
You are a paid schill. I am 60 years old an been riding. Since I was 16. I've owned and been a sales person for Harley an Indian. I am a master mechanic. 😎 Indian by leaps n bounds is a far superior designed and built motorcycle. I own several bikes of both makes. I ride my chief more then any other bike. Logged almost 20k not one problem. Can't say that about my hardlys
I’ve never had any issues with my 4 Harley’s. Harley’s new cvo st. Will walk all over any Indian. They both about equal in build quality and price. Indians look cheaper and feel cheaper than a Harley. The paint and finish is superior in a Harley. Indian is behind in build quality and finish then a Harley.
@Prometheus1979 can't argue your personal experience glad ur bikes are serving you well. I am going to have to agrue the paint quality statement. I've spent countless hours on the show room floor, poslishing of both Harley n Indian. Indian has fantastic paint. Ride safely
wow!! Thought Ducati was bad, but damn..... guess with all manufacturers of late.... profits over quality..... coz you know they suffered so much loss during the pandemic (not like we didn't suffer the same way) and need to just screw everyone to catch up
Puts a tail tidy on & thinks he's a mechanic. A bike is what it is when you buy it weather it's brand new or old. What your really saying is you're not smart enough to see this and therefore moan about it later.
Ok, so you are what ? 25-28 years old - whatever, you are on your 68th motorcycle already ! ( literally your words in other comment ) and after purchase, you never visit dealer under any circumstances and you are doing everything on the bike yourself because you are 1st class mechanic ??? Riiiiight...I think the dealer was annoyed by your behaviour, maybe reject some warranty because you put your hands on the bike and they did not see it once in the shop for any standard mandatory service, so you got pissed off and this is the result. You could have a lemon also, but this has nothing to do with the brand generally - and to buy anything, like literally anything elase ? Give me a break...Anyway, good luck with your 69th-120th whatever motorcycle ! 😏
Appreciate the detailed breakdown! Could you help me with something unrelated: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). Could you explain how to move them to Binance?
I won't buy an Indian because Polaris killed Victory. [I own a Victory Cross Country 8 Ball] I worked for Victory's Press fleet from 1999 to 2006. and got to ride the first Victory Vegas [ built to test the production line ] Then was delivered to the motorcycle journalists. And it had no VIN numbers. The Indian Challenger Was originally was designed to be a Victory, then Polaris bought the Indian name, and Killed Victory. I also worked for the "Gilroy" Indian fleet . My Indian slide show 2003 >> ruclips.net/video/D2uUWphj1Ws/видео.html
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I think Indian has been in California too long. They care about putting nagging little displays on the motorcycle than building a reliable, trouble free motorcycle. It's like they got Microsoft to come develop a computer to tack on the motorcycle, who cares if it's buggy and their engine engineering is choked by wacky California regulations, at least you will have a wiz bank computer on your motorcycle to have fun with. I've been looking at some FTRs and they are equal fun and equal headache. I have a 2020 Triumph Bonneville T120 and I think I'd rather have a new Moto Guzzi V7 for the price of a used headache causing indian.
The Indian of today isn't the same as the original. It's now owned by Polaris. Politics is the one that brought us Victory bikes. Guess how that is going.
First of all, don't confuse the REAL Indian motorcycle company with the FAKE Indian motorcycle company started by Polaris, which sold their first FAKE Indian motorcycles in 2014. The first fake Indians from the fake Indian motorcycle company owned by Polaris did look good. In fact, they looked great. Bright shiny paint, including gloss red, LOTS of polished aluminum and chrome, and real leather. Those beautiful Indian fenders. I wanted one, even though I knew they weren't real Indians, just because of how they looked. Fortunately I couldn't afford one, or I would have thrown my money away. They were pretty painted and chromed JUNK. But fake Indians are no longer pretty. They are all FLAT BLACK GARBAGE. I wouldn't buy one now if it was perfect mechanically. It makes me sick to look at them. FTR1200??? That's not even a FAKE Indian. It looks NOTHING like an Indian. The Scout is not much better. No way that looks like a motorcycle engine. And again, all the newer ones are all FLAT BLACK. There is NOTHING uglier than a FLAT BLACK motorcycle. To be fair, those undiagnosable problems are common to all computerized motorcycles. And REAL motorcycles don't have engine codes. Those are actually "computer" codes, and real motorcycles don't have computers. Everything that applies to the fake Indians also applies to modern Harley Davidsons.
This is the first Indian bash video I’ve seen. I’ve seen some guys talk about things they would change but every other video I’ve seen the bikes and company are praised. I own a 2016 Scout 60 and it is a phenomenal bike. Never had one problem with it. Smooth while idling, smooth at 90 mph. Can’t ask for a better bike.
Yeah, it's 8 years old, maybe produced before things started happening wrong.
I agree, we own a Scout and a vintage. Each of them have had more recalls and very serious defects than of the vehicles I gave owned going back to 1973 and all of them combined.
Horrible engineering, quality and customer service.
I have just over 30,000 on a Springfield and have had absolutely no issues. I just love it and can’t ride enough.
Love my 2015 Scout! Owned at least 20 bikes (Harleys, Triumphs, Hondas, the lot): my Scout is the best bike I've ever had. Will never let it go.
That's good to hear, I wish I had the same experience
Well, that's a 9 year old motorcycle, maybe before they hit the fan.
Maybe I'm just lucky, but gotta say: great dealer and service shop here in Austin (very reasonable, won't replace stuff that doesn't need it, none of the "bro/fake tough guy" vibe), can work/fix almost anything on my own, gets loads if compliments/looks/ thumbs up wherever I go--and is wonderfully fast and unfailingly reliable. The only problem? I've stopped shopping for bikes--haven't found anything else I like (love) more!
Here’s a list of major motorcycle manufacturers and some key issues that have been reported with certain models. Keep in mind that not every motorcycle from these brands will experience these problems.
---
### **1. Harley-Davidson**
**Key Issues:**
- **Electrical problems**: Issues with starters, charging systems, and battery drains.
- **Heat management**: Excessive heat on Touring models, especially near the rider's legs.
- **Transmission clunk**: Stiff or noisy shifting, especially on larger models.
- **Oil leaks**: Common in older models or poorly maintained bikes.
---
### **2. Indian Motorcycle**
**Key Issues:**
- **Starter motor failure**: Reported in some Challenger and Scout models.
- **Ride Command system glitches**: Display freezes or malfunctions.
- **Electrical gremlins**: Battery drainage and inconsistent power delivery in some models.
- **Suspension complaints**: Premature wear on suspension components in certain models.
---
### **3. Honda**
**Key Issues:**
- **DCT (Dual Clutch Transmission)**: Complaints of lag or jerky shifting in models like the Gold Wing.
- **Stator failure**: Especially common in older CBR and VFR models.
- **Fuel pump issues**: Some recent models experienced fuel pump recalls.
- **Plastic body parts**: Prone to cracking or breaking on sportbike models.
---
### **4. Yamaha**
**Key Issues:**
- **Cam chain tensioner failure**: Noted in models like the R6 and FZ series.
- **Fuel injector clogging**: A common problem in bikes stored for long periods.
- **Throttle snatchiness**: Reported in MT-09 and FZ-09 models due to abrupt fuel injection.
- **Weak suspension**: Stock suspension can wear out quickly under heavy loads.
---
### **5. Kawasaki**
**Key Issues:**
- **Regulator/rectifier failure**: Common on Ninja and older Z series bikes.
- **ABS issues**: Faulty sensors leading to inconsistent braking on newer models.
- **Excessive vibrations**: Felt in handlebars and footpegs, particularly in high-revving engines.
- **Coolant leaks**: Notable in older Ninja models.
---
### **6. Suzuki**
**Key Issues:**
- **Stator and rectifier issues**: Common in GSX-R models and other sport bikes.
- **Fuel pump problems**: Issues with fuel delivery leading to stalling.
- **Clutch wear**: Premature clutch wear in high-performance bikes.
- **Poor stock brakes**: Brake fade reported in certain models.
---
### **7. BMW Motorrad**
**Key Issues:**
- **Final drive failure**: Notable on R-series shaft-driven models.
- **Electrical system faults**: Issues with CAN bus systems and sensors.
- **Water pump leaks**: Common in some S1000RR and GS models.
- **Fragile plastics**: Prone to damage in some adventure bikes.
---
### **8. KTM**
**Key Issues:**
- **Overheating**: Especially in EXC and adventure models.
- **Electrical failures**: Dashboard and headlight problems in Duke and ADV models.
- **Fuel pump issues**: Clogging and failure in certain adventure bikes.
- **Vibration complaints**: Excessive vibration in single-cylinder models.
---
### **9. Ducati**
**Key Issues:**
- **Desmo valve maintenance**: High maintenance costs and frequency.
- **Electrical failures**: Dashboard glitches and battery drains.
- **Exhaust valve problems**: Common in Multistrada models.
- **Clutch wear**: Dry clutch systems in older models require frequent service.
---
### **10. Triumph**
**Key Issues:**
- **Cam chain tensioner issues**: Common in Street Triple and Tiger models.
- **Electrical problems**: Faulty switches and battery drainage.
- **Oil leaks**: Seen in some Bonneville and older Tiger models.
- **Throttle response issues**: Noted in newer ride-by-wire systems.
---
### **11. Royal Enfield**
**Key Issues:**
- **Engine vibration**: Excessive vibrations in older Bullet and Classic models.
- **Oil leakage**: Not uncommon in air-cooled models.
- **Rusting**: Prone to corrosion in humid climates.
- **Clutch issues**: Premature wear reported in Himalayan and 650 Twins.
---
### **12. Aprilia**
**Key Issues:**
- **Electrical failures**: Particularly with RSV4 and Tuono models.
- **Valve clearance maintenance**: High cost and labor-intensive service.
- **Fueling issues**: Poor low-end response on some sport bikes.
- **Overheating**: Especially in stop-and-go traffic.
---
### **13. Moto Guzzi**
**Key Issues:**
- **Drivetrain issues**: Shaft drive systems prone to wear.
- **Electrical faults**: Issues with switches and dashboards.
- **Oil leaks**: More frequent in older models.
- **Limited parts availability**: Can result in long repair times.
---
### **14. Can-Am (Spyder and Ryker)**
**Key Issues:**
- **Transmission problems**: Automatic transmission issues on some models.
- **Electronic stability system glitches**: Unintended engagement or errors.
- **Heat buildup**: Felt by riders, especially on older Spyders.
- **Brake wear**: Premature wear of stock braking systems.
---
### **15. Husqvarna**
**Key Issues:**
- **Electrical failures**: Mainly in off-road models.
- **Fuel pump issues**: Clogging and failure in 701 and Svartpilen models.
- **Overheating**: Common in single-cylinder off-road bikes.
- **Fragile components**: Prone to damage under hard riding.
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### Conclusion:
While no motorcycle brand is perfect, many issues arise from specific model designs. Case in point-no brand is completely free from defects, not even Honda. My 1995 Honda Magna was a total lemon, and you know what? I still love Honda. Things happen; it’s the price we pay for wanting modern technology.
Yep, that about sums it up. I’ve personally never had a dud Honda or Suzuki, but there’s always something you can point to.
I have a 2016 cheiftian , never had any of these issues and still riding strong.
I have a 21 chieftain darkhorse. Love it no issues.
@@alvinprice6400 Yes, I currently have a 2020 Challenger with 56k miles not one issue either.
In the summer of 2022 my brother and I made a trip to the St. Paul Indian dealership because the demo truck was there. My brother had a 2015 Street Glide at the time and was looking at getting a new bike. Needless to say, neither of us were impressed by the bikes we rode. Some of the bikes looked like they were beat to hell. I get that some of those bikes get rode hard, but they just didn't seem like they'd hold up. My brother ended up buying another Street Glide, smoked a deer with it 2 months later, then bought a brand new Road Glide ST. He's got over 20k miles on it in 2 riding seasons without a problem.
In life there are always lemons. I myself have bought a few and attempted to fix what was broken or a design flaw by the manufacturers. Back in the early 70s the Japanese manufacturers were a breath of fresh air when it came to providing a bike that won’t leave ya walking. As time move on these Japanese manufacturers seem to be more interested in producing than fixing the issues that was overlooked at the factory. This is the same issues that plagued the British bike market that took them out of business by the late 70s. Pure junk bikes. Unreliable at any ride. Harleys I’ve owned a few in its early times bleed oil out of the engine cases an primary. The EVO seems to solve the leaks. Most of the early Harleys had poor quality when it came to solving the leaky engines. This all could be fixed by having the engine and cases machined to fit correctly with good gasket stuff plus understand the bikes. All this was the joy of riding before the new bikes are pledged with electronic crap. Anti traction, heated hand grips, seat warmer, low tire light, low fuel light, plug for the phone, intercom’s, a sound system ya can’t hear at 70 mph, windshields that go up and down and so on. What is the bike world coming to? Most of this ya don’t really need and you should be checking the bike over before ya fire it up. Two things the rider should be checking, tire pressure and the oils before any ride. Idiot lights are what they are. And if ya need an ass or hand warmer,then stay home or buy a convertible. I’m an older rider,been tossing a leg over a seat over 60 years,longer than most of ya been a live.Ride the bike for what it is.Freedom,wind in your face and the pleasures a ride can provide and learn how to work on your bike! As I heard you’ll never see a bike parked in front of a physics office. My old Harley cured me when I came home from hell a place called Vietnam. Thank you Harley Davidson for being there for me back in the day. Just an older experience guys opinion. Opinions are like asses, we all got one. See ya down the road.
Thankfully your the only one I've heard say this. Been looking and watching the cruisers though. Maybe just FTR?
It's my understanding that the new Harley's are plagued with wiring harness and electronic issues as well. That's unacceptable in this day and time. I'll stick with Japanese manufacturers all the way.
Yes the new cheap built 24 models do. I don’t like the little sewing machine engines. Good luck rebuilding a jap motor 20 years later it ain’t happening. Harley is not a throw away bike like jap bikes are.
European cycles are great too. I love my 2020 Bonneville T120. I bought a used Yamaha SCR950 and it's snatchy throttle nearly killed me, caused me to lose control with all the bucking, causing me to cross into potentially opposing traffic. The Bonneville is smooth all the way.
2021 ultra, so far, no issues, I'm at ar😅9k miles
@@andreychuprin7365 Good deal, maybe you're out of the woods, so to speak. I love all motorcycles by the way. I've owned a couple of Harleys over the years and had good experiences with both.
I think the OP was referring to the new 2024 Street Glide and Road Glide. You wouldn't have to search hard to find the electrical nightmares people were having with them.
ftr carbon 2000 miles no problems yet. best looking bike out there imo.
"Looking" well thats subjective. and I would need a bit more than that.
I own the 2023 FTR. It’s a great bike. I knew of the cold starting issues on FTRs before I bought it (did my research). That’s not a problem for me. The bikes torque and handling are fantastic. The Indians, since being bought by Polaris, are slowly become a viable contender and make very reliable bikes overall, based on national reviews and recall data. I will agree that they need a better distribution channel and dealers. You take some great strides to bash Indian and their bikes because you have (or created) issues with your bike. That’s a shame. I am one of those people that saw, and appreciated, your previous reviews praising this bike, and I had already had mine for over a year with no issues, so agreed with you at the time, but I see you have done a 100 percent about face on your initial views. Unfortunate, but not unlike others who run into problems with something and then can’t wait to destroy everything they once praised about something. Can’t rely on any future reviews from you. Not that I didn’t appreciate your earlier content, but for someone to take such a scathing swing at Indian and there bike from your one experience, I’d question the long term validity of any of your future reviews. That said, thanks for your review and I hope you land a bike that suits your style better.
My brother has one the bagger and has never had a problem with it its a really great looking bike and a smooth ride !
Uhhh, in regards to your cold start problems. Some engines need to turn over a few times for the cam sensor to do a full revolution and tell the computer which cylinder is on it's compression stroke. Just turning the engine over for one revolution isn't enough.
Now, if the starting system isn't strong enough to turn the engine over multiple times, that's another story.
I'm on my 68th motorcycle, never seen anything like that before
Still a design flaw
Your reply is absolute BS! FFS!
@@mrwhite2628 I have an old CB400F running fuel injection controlled by a Microsquirt. For EFI to be fully sequential the computer needs to know which cylinder is on it's intake stroke. It does that by either syncing the cam sensor with the crank sensor, or some of the really sophisticated ones can sense the fluctuations in the rpm as the starter motor cranks the engine.
What are your credentials that make you so sure that I am full of BS?
@@Rickd-jh7iw What are your credentials that nullifies his experience? Experience outweighs a piece of paper. His creditials are that he has had 68 motorcycles. Did you see that part? And besides that, this cold start problem and display problems and bugs are all over the forums, and even in some review articles. Oh, but they are all stupid too, huh?
Bring back Victory! Thanks for the "heads up" on Indian.
They had an Indian demo day here a couple weeks ago. Went to one and rode the FTR and fell in love, the scout 60 not so much. They did another one down the road a few days later and I tried out the scout 101. It was great, until we were coming back and the screen got stuck, showed 2nd gear and 0 mph. I was on the freeway probably doing 80 mph. It also started making a weird sound when this happened. Loved it, until that happened. Thought it was weird that it would happen on a bike that only has 2k miles. I really wanted an FTR as my next bike, but been reconsidering to just sticking with Yamaha and getting the XSR900 instead.
Got A 2022 S model next month will be 3 years & will be paid 4 the only thing I have had to do is replace my back tire and change my oil and that’s it regular maintenance’this FTR is going to be in my possession till I am to old to Ride!!
Nothing fun bike to ride one you look forward to getting on and taking out to ride!!
(-I feel I’ve got my $ worth ❤!!’ )
Well I got my Ftr last week and rode it once because of the bad weather conditions. I also had problems starting the bike. Dont make me regret buying that bike. It feels so good driving it😂
The FTR is a great bike. Very fun to ride. It’s known for cold start and battery issues when it’s cold. That’s just something that comes with the FTR. Don’t regret it. It’s a good bike. I have many bikes and been riding for over 50 years. Take this guys personal attack with a grain of salt. Any bike can have issues. Just keep it maintained and enjoy it. The FTR is a good machine.
Had been looking at the Indian Scout but have driven Honda's all my life. Ended up getting another Honda the 2024 Phantom and glad I did.
Good call! Can't go wrong with a Honda, and those phantoms are slick 👍
Some people just shouldn't have a motorcycle!?!?
You have a channel and are presenting a video. Why did you not record any of this? Why wouldn't you record your ride then narrate over it?
You will always get issues with new bikes the main problem Polaris face is its infrastructure. Not many dealers but also they have a policy not to help independent garages so you have less choice as a customer for warranty, parts & service. In fact this way of working keeps the parts cost high which is why they go that route. I owned two Indians, a Scout and a Roadmaster. I live in the UK and ride all year round and found no issues with the Scout. The build quality and service provided on the Roadmaster were very poor. Also Polaris do not want to help sort the situation out. We are talking a loss of over £8,000 due to a dealer not knowing how to set the rear axle causing issues for 5 months. Love the bikes Polaris not so much.
Dude, crank it over a little bit when starting. Not 0.5 sec on the start button and then question why it’s not starting. If u’d show a good few seconds of crank with no start then I’d say you might have a problem.
The starter kicked off on its own, doesn't let you keep cranking it otherwise I would. These indians are a one push start, u just press it once and it cranks by itself until it starts
my Indian Pursuit has been great so far, not a single issue of any kind,Unlike any HD I ever bought.
Unfortunately my '24 Pursuit is, as of today, finishing up the 3rd week of its 2nd stay back at the dealership since I bought it at the end of August. It takes 2-3 tries to start it if the temperature is below 50º, wobbles at 25mph, and threw up a chassis fault light. They've already replaced the front tire in an effort to fix the wobble, but it didn't work. They told me last week they're trying a new clutch starter to address the starting issue, but I haven't heard an update on that (they don't "keep me posted" as they say they will, I just call them every Friday to find out what's going on with my bike). I didn't even bother to complain to the dealer that the RideCommand screen frequently fails to load.
I'm not calling it junk and I'm not agreeing with this video, I just wish my luck with mine had been better than it has. I hope the dealer is able to sort all this out.
I bought an Indian Scout, loved the bike, but fuel uptake issues from day one. Fuel sensors, ignition coils......blah blah
Where is the bass in his voice. My 2011 Victory Cross Tour 17k miles NO ISSUES at all.
My 24 Chief wasn't recalled. Where do you get your facts? CNN?
Maybe your bike has most of these issues because you work on it alone? I have owned the Indian for the past 7 years and have a totally different experience it. Love the brand and quality!
Well it was brand new, shouldn't need anything besides an oil change in 1,200 miles. Glad you've had a good experience, it doesn't seem to be the norm
I was looking to get a V Twin naked bike next spring. This FTR 1200 weas at the top of the list. I was also considering a Ducati Monster, Ducati Streetfighter V2, and the Buell 1190sx. I wonder if I should be reconsidering the Indian.
Edit: Maybe a MT-09 SP? Its a 3 cylinder I know.
Tell me you have a boyfriend.. without telling me you have a boyfriend. Go go boi... 🤣
Don't get ur hopes up there buddy 👍
Don't know which is funnier. The comment or the reply!😅
And what bike would be the perfect bike, a harley right. Foh. They all can have issues. They're man made smh. 21 chieftain darkhourse. No issues. Next problem..
Fing love my Roadmaster, rides awesome, great tq. Need a voice lower bro, you sound like a electric
Disgruntled Ex Indian employee
I wish, I could've helped with the quality control! 👍
Ive had mine for years and drive it nearly every day.
That's good man! what year and model do ya got?
Purchased a '12 Victory Kingpin in '13 with 9 miles on it. Had to go to three differnt dealers to complete the purchase. (Warning) It was the year Polaris acquired the Indian brand name. In '17 when Polaris discontinued the Victory brand, I had a contract on a Polaris Slingshot which i promptly canceled. Polaris only cares about the sale and after that you are in essence on your own with ANY brand under their umbrella. They have no respect for their customers or dealers (no training for maintenance. The dealer did the 5k service and stripped the oil bolt, was not told, they used pipe thread to stop leak. Found it through another dealer at 10k service.) and that alone is what i attribute to massive sales decline. Now build quality issues. Stick a fork in them. Still have my Kingpin with just shy of 60k in the saddle. Too bad the corporate equity owners of Polaris don't understand the after sale experience is equally if not more important than the actual sale. Only reason i even heard about the Polaris Victory brand back in '13 was by word of mouth and have to say that was at Polaris heights in the battle against HD. Was at a local Indian dealer Demo event recently and had to laugh because instead of the 18 wheeler hauler with qreat fanfare, it was a small 5th wheel trailer looking like a dirty garage! How far they have fallen!
That's the truth 👍
What Honda did you get? I know they are good! Thanks for being Open and Honest about Injun!
A CRF450RL because ive always been intrigued by them 👍
So my friends Indian Chief classic has went 30,000 so far without a single burp.😂😂😂
And I hope it goes to 100,000! 👍
I love the look of the Indian but I have to stick with my Hondas. Reliability is my number one factor. Bought my tundra for same reason. I had two vehicles that were lemons so I have to go wth reliability. Sorry you have had sp many problems. The FTR is a good looking unit because I love the flat track look.
Yeah stick with what's good, these indians are not one of em! 👍
I just took my CFMoto 650 MT for a ride. 37 f. No problems.
Bros voice sounds like he should be a Harley rider.
In 2020 i bought a 2019 base ftr and every time i started it the check engine light came on. I would run it until the temp came up then shut it off and restart and the check engine light stayed off. I traded that bike with 800 miles for a z900rs. Like you say never again. Great vid i am subscribing. I thought it was just my bike. I guess not.
*_"In 2020 i bought a 2019 base ftr and every time i started it the check engine light came on. I would run it until the temp came up then shut it off and restart and the check engine light stayed off."_*
Catastrophe. How on Earth did you cope?
It sucks, you hope for the best and get the worst
@@lovelivegofast
You had a beautiful FTR and the engine is cracking. Very, very unusual to encounter starting issues post Lloyd'z tune. I do agree about some of the build quality, the string of problems that have afflicted this bike and the shite customer service from Polaris in addition to the exorbitant cost of spares. However, it was a joy to watch those videos you posted and hear the exhilaration in your voice riding this. Sounds like you haven't fallen out of love with that bike per se, rather, the brand.
-17 now in Alberta Canada, my GL1200 1984 has been one week under snow…I bet she will start, will run rough and grumpy for few minutes but she will work like a horse.
Yes, exactly 👍
Just look at the way they (Polaris) treated their Victory customers... what, are you serious? Who would buy something for them?!?!?! AHAHAHAHAHA are you crazy????
Thanks for this video. Indian is no longer on my list.
I would not listen to the guy. I owned almost all cruiser brands, and Indians are the best. Do your own research, and don’t listen for a single case with a bad experience. Indian riders are much more happy than any other brands. Again, I’m not talking about FTR; I’m talking about Indian cruisers.
Why not Resto-Mod or RE-manufacture CLASSIC OLDER Indian or H.D. That are beautiful and "simple FROM THE GET GO. No computer or anything but Lights, Start/Run, Suspension and Breaks.
No super hot, super tuned engines.. Just works great.
Look at Honda with their SMALL 1960s remanufactured 125 trail bikes PEOPLE STILL LOVE THEM ride them to death, AND YOU CAN AFFORD THEM.. Harley especially needs to "simplify" the joy.
Wanted to go outside and start my bike in 25° weather but they won't allow me to do a video back
Pretty sure Triumph is the only safe reliable motorcycle builder these days.
What's wrong with the big 4 Japanese companies for safety and reliability.
Lol .Hard to maintain expensive servicing.Reliability is poorer than new Harleys which is questionable
@@fineilldoitThey are as bad as the rest.
I think they're good quality. I've only seen a handful of ppl having issues with a Triumph. But even less so with the big 4 Japanese producers. In my book, Honda makes the most reliable bikes by far. Too bad very few of their bikes speak to me personally. If only they would sell some of their more fun models in the US.
It's a you have to pass the bill before you can find out what's in the bill scenario.
Only agree is aftermarket $
Seriously, you got what you wanted...1930's technology cheapened by profit margin...Part of the riding experience is wrenching, and your're going to enjoy the hobby more than most...enjoy!
😂 lots of hate on it. Ya. Mine has giving me little issues but issues that other of my bike brands (Kawa and aprilia) have never giving me.
Thanks for your video! I have a Honda, Suzuki and an Aprilia that are all three wonderful motorcycles. Heck I even still have my first bike, a KTM 390 ADV that was apparently produced in India, which has been bulletproof. After test riding the 101 scout, it was definitely was on my radar! Thank you for saving me all kinds of $.
Polaris DNA. I owned three of their sleds. Two were terrible and one was good.
Sounds about right
You are a paid schill. I am 60 years old an been riding. Since I was 16. I've owned and been a sales person for Harley an Indian. I am a master mechanic. 😎 Indian by leaps n bounds is a far superior designed and built motorcycle. I own several bikes of both makes. I ride my chief more then any other bike. Logged almost 20k not one problem. Can't say that about my hardlys
I’ve never had any issues with my 4 Harley’s. Harley’s new cvo st. Will walk all over any Indian. They both about equal in build quality and price. Indians look cheaper and feel cheaper than a Harley. The paint and finish is superior in a Harley. Indian is behind in build quality and finish then a Harley.
@Prometheus1979 can't argue your personal experience glad ur bikes are serving you well. I am going to have to agrue the paint quality statement. I've spent countless hours on the show room floor, poslishing of both Harley n Indian. Indian has fantastic paint. Ride safely
Ive been riding mine, Scout, since 2019. Lol, dont know what issue he has. Ive been an aircraft tech for 20 years. Maybe its a laziness problem.
Glad you've had a good experience 👍
I own two Indians, no problems here. Combined mileage 85K.
Similar brands are BMW, Moto Guzzi, KTM and Harley Davidson.
Flashy and finicky 👍
How much were you paid for this 😂 I have 2 Harleys and a new 101 been riding for 30 years this is the biggest bs video I've ever seen lol
Denial is the first phase of depression, it's going to be okay 👍
Yeah ok..being defensive is the first sign of bullshit
As ur the one defending Harley and indian... Interesting. Hey all good, if they've been good machines for ya I'm happy 👍
Complete bull shit here😮
wow!! Thought Ducati was bad, but damn..... guess with all manufacturers of late.... profits over quality..... coz you know they suffered so much loss during the pandemic (not like we didn't suffer the same way) and need to just screw everyone to catch up
Apparently lol
Puts a tail tidy on & thinks he's a mechanic. A bike is what it is when you buy it weather it's brand new or old.
What your really saying is you're not smart enough to see this and therefore moan about it later.
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Ok, so you are what ? 25-28 years old - whatever, you are on your 68th motorcycle already ! ( literally your words in other comment ) and after purchase, you never visit dealer under any circumstances and you are doing everything on the bike yourself because you are 1st class mechanic ??? Riiiiight...I think the dealer was annoyed by your behaviour, maybe reject some warranty because you put your hands on the bike and they did not see it once in the shop for any standard mandatory service, so you got pissed off and this is the result. You could have a lemon also, but this has nothing to do with the brand generally - and to buy anything, like literally anything elase ? Give me a break...Anyway, good luck with your 69th-120th whatever motorcycle ! 😏
I'll save all the indians for you man 👍
Polaris is not the oldest motorcycle manufacturer, most likely 'the Youngest
Correct 👍
Ok they are not supplying the public with what they want, Harley Davidson has the same problem . The easiest bikes to maintain are Royal Enfields.
Never had a royal, maybe I should put one on the list
Appreciate the detailed breakdown! Could you help me with something unrelated: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). Could you explain how to move them to Binance?
How are they still in business? Damn.
I won't buy an Indian because Polaris killed Victory. [I own a Victory Cross Country 8 Ball] I worked for Victory's Press fleet from 1999 to 2006. and got to ride the first Victory Vegas [ built to test the production line ] Then was delivered to the motorcycle journalists. And it had no VIN numbers. The Indian Challenger Was originally was designed to be a Victory, then Polaris bought the Indian name, and Killed Victory. I also worked for the "Gilroy" Indian fleet . My Indian slide show 2003 >> ruclips.net/video/D2uUWphj1Ws/видео.html
I think Indian has been in California too long. They care about putting nagging little displays on the motorcycle than building a reliable, trouble free motorcycle. It's like they got Microsoft to come develop a computer to tack on the motorcycle, who cares if it's buggy and their engine engineering is choked by wacky California regulations, at least you will have a wiz bank computer on your motorcycle to have fun with. I've been looking at some FTRs and they are equal fun and equal headache. I have a 2020 Triumph Bonneville T120 and I think I'd rather have a new Moto Guzzi V7 for the price of a used headache causing indian.
Wow so salty, never heard of anyone having all these problems, maybe it's you working on it.
typical Polaris / America products, used to sell them. Built to break.........Japanese all the way.
The Indian of today isn't the same as the original. It's now owned by Polaris. Politics is the one that brought us Victory bikes. Guess how that is going.
My goodness even my Chonda Hawk 250 is more reliable than an Indian, that's absolutely ridiculous.
First of all, don't confuse the REAL Indian motorcycle company with the FAKE Indian motorcycle company started by Polaris, which sold their first FAKE Indian motorcycles in 2014. The first fake Indians from the fake Indian motorcycle company owned by Polaris did look good. In fact, they looked great. Bright shiny paint, including gloss red, LOTS of polished aluminum and chrome, and real leather. Those beautiful Indian fenders. I wanted one, even though I knew they weren't real Indians, just because of how they looked. Fortunately I couldn't afford one, or I would have thrown my money away. They were pretty painted and chromed JUNK. But fake Indians are no longer pretty. They are all FLAT BLACK GARBAGE. I wouldn't buy one now if it was perfect mechanically. It makes me sick to look at them.
FTR1200??? That's not even a FAKE Indian. It looks NOTHING like an Indian. The Scout is not much better. No way that looks like a motorcycle engine. And again, all the newer ones are all FLAT BLACK. There is NOTHING uglier than a FLAT BLACK motorcycle.
To be fair, those undiagnosable problems are common to all computerized motorcycles. And REAL motorcycles don't have engine codes. Those are actually "computer" codes, and real motorcycles don't have computers. Everything that applies to the fake Indians also applies to modern Harley Davidsons.
But tell us how you really feel
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