In this discussion with Grace Lee Boggs, Angela Davis talks about being vegan and what she believes being responsible towards other sentient beings entails in regards to our food choices.
@@user-xm1et7cz2o “the road to hell is paved with good intentions.” -a wise man Did she “care about others” when he supplied firearms for bank robberies? Let me guess, “it’s ok when she does it”, because, “Reasons.”….
@@Americansikkunt ... and scattered with mistakes, broken dreams and other disappointments... (the road to hell that is, though I'm not sure how that applies here) What bank robberies? I'm no expert on the life of Dr Davis, and can't find anything mentioning that through internet searches. Would you care to enlighten me about what you are referring to?
@@user-xm1et7cz2o really? You couldn’t find it despite searching for it? It is amazing what they hide from you…. And here you are applauding her as some sort of humanitarian….. “Davis became embroiled in a new, more serious controversy when several weapons registered in her name were used in an attempted prisoner escape in a San Rafael, California, courtroom on August 7, 1970. Political activist Jonathan Jackson stormed the courtroom armed with a rifle and pistols, handed pistols to three black prisoners at the courthouse, and demanded the release of the Soledad Brothers, including his brother George Jackson, who was romantically involved with Davis. As the armed men attempted to leave with hostages, shots were fired. In the subsequent shootout between the men, police officers, and prison guards, four people, including a judge, were killed and four individuals were injured. Davis owned two of the pistols that Jackson used. She had legally purchased them in 1968 and 1969 and had purchased the shotgun that was used to kill the judge two days before the courthouse gun battle. The guns had come from a collection of weapons that the Che-Lumumba Club used for target practice and were available to any member. Newspapers and magazines had a field day publicizing her ownership of the weapons. The Marin County attorney general initially held the position that Davis bore no fault in the crimes unless it could be proven that Davis had given the guns to Jackson with the intent that they be used to commit a crime, but he reversed that decision after the storm of publicity. On August 15, 1970, California authorities issued a warrant for Davis’s arrest on the grounds that she had aided in the crime. She faced charges of murder and kidnapping, but other than ownership of the guns, there was no proof that Davis was involved in the attack. She did not issue any comments about the situation, and the police were unable to locate her. Accordingly, a federal warrant was issued, and Davis became only the third woman to date to appear on the FBI’s 10 most wanted list. Within a few weeks, Davis was captured in New York City, which she believed was a safe place for a black person to be arrested. Denied bail and returned to California, Davis spent 16 months in jail before her acquittal in 1972. A massive “Free Angela Davis” campaign turned her into an internationally known figure.” -Encyclopedia of Alabama
Melanie Joy coined this as CARNISM. If you are not familiar with her work, check her out on youtube and her book Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows.
Murray Bookchin, argued that it was "human relationships" that modeled the "non-human relationships," all engage in. There have never been any situations (long term) where the need to kill animals, provided the primary source of our food; we've always been hunter-gathers, with the emphasis on gathering!* but there are times when animals provided the
Angela Davis has always been an inspiration of mine when it comes to human/civil rights and the awareness of the injustices that capitalism thrives on. I began reading her book “Women, Race, & Class” (copyright 1981) and discovered her analogies of the black women slaves as referred to as breeders and their “young taken as calves from the cow.” And that’s what led me here. I’ve been studying Miss Davis for quite a few years now and I couldn’t be more elated to discover that she “practices what she preaches” so to speak when it comes to the oppression of all living beings. As another commenter stated, as if I needed another reason to love and respect this woman more than I already have. Thank you Miss Davis. I’m sure you would agree this is the bare minimum. It’s the right thing.
I’ve been wondering if Angela Davis is vegan these past months thinking that it would be logical. I mean there are interconnections, intersectionnality between the human struggle and the animal struggle. And here there is laying it all out and confirming she is vegan. She is truly a superwoman ❤️❤️
Yes! She is amazing! Being vegan does challenge the capitalist industrial form of food production. It challenges our notions of hierarchy, of suffering, of profit from other beings. The exchange value of the actual object being traded has been under corporate control without any regard to what it actually means to trade in flesh.
Brilliant, and sadly really crucial that this comes from Davis herself. Within modern/contemporary Civil Rights Movement and Minority Activism it is often alleged (check your privilege etc) that the suffering of non-human beings is less important and therefore we should not consider it at all until we have managed to stop all human exploitation and suffering. When really, it would seem to me anyway, that if we could stop torturing and abusing animals, we might learn of a more universal empathy and how to show more love and compassion to our fellow brothers and sisters as well.
It does help end human suffering too. Anyone who thinks veganism doesn't help humans has never read about slaughterhouse accidents, air pollution of people who live near farms, water contamination of people who live near farms, the list goes on
So rare to hear her speak on this subject...it is yet another indication of what we call Walking the Walk....She's done it her whole life, and I am indebted to her for setting such an extraordinary example!
Society has to understand that eating vegan will make us healthier. By extension, our health care systems will become much more affordable to the masses.
i hope to listen to Angela Davis talk to a Native woman in this hemisphere , or any small holding woman anywhere in the world who has relationships with domesticated animals, about being vegan.
@@amandabanegas6851 She didn't say "we should all be vegans, regardless of our circumstances" though. She said we all have to reflect on, and look critically at, how we relate to what we consume. That being said, I'd love to see conversations like the one mentioned. It's an extremely important topic. And indigenous peoples, and those with limited resources, always tend to get left out of things like this.
Her positioning of veganism as part of a revolutionary perspective & understanding animal exploitation as part of capitalist industrial food production is something we need to develop with the our vegan movements.
very important to heal the fractured foundations of USA, ending poor suffering of origins of poverty.. the pointless millions ofterrible 2017 enslavement and sufferings, df n champs
I know three years have passed, and this may be a strange request, but would you consider removing your comment? Like someone else commented, it did cause a sudden chill of fear reading what it said, and I don't see the purpose of having yet others go through that scrolling through this comment section, when it's incorrect. No blame on you for writing in. But I do believe it would be better to just remove it. Thank you
Philosophers should do thier best to speak plainly. When they don't, the only people that hear thier messages are those that are similarly educated. I'm not unintelligent by any common measure but I can't help feeling that her lectures are kind of vague sometimes. This one in particular could use an example.
Respect for human life begins with respect for all life. If we mass-torture and mass-slaughter animals, we'll do it to "the other" human animals too. (In fact we have and do...) If we quit doing it to animals we'll quit doing it to humans... (If A.D. weren't vegan I'd be disappointed. Action, not just talk!)
Got damn it I’m on a communist learning spree at my shit jobs and now I have to stop eating meat for the revolution. Oh well my diabetic ass prob needs to any way 😂
Plants have feelings too. If you can't see that anything you eat has to die to give you life and suffer in the process than by all means increase your sensitivities. More animals and critters are killed for vegetables than meat. All lives count! For me 85% of my food is vegetables and the rest meat, and I don't eat anything out of a box. Food is a story. When I eat deer, I eat that story of Texas hillcountry and he gentle ways a deer dances around the land as its savvy senses play melodies with the plants. When I eat okras, I eat an interstellar transmitter by where spaceships are the okras and the seeds passengers. What story do you put in your body? And thank you for nourishing yourself as best as you can.
if plants had feelings (they don't), you'd still wanna go vegan because far more plants are "killed" in the process of meat and animal produce production. and you don't *have* to eat that "story" either. you can romanticize unnecessary death all you want, but that doesn't make your actions any more moral than murder, really
"In 1972, after a sixteen-month incarceration, the state allowed Angela Davis release on bail from county jail.[24] On February 23, 1972, Rodger McAfee, a dairy farmer from Fresno, California, paid her $100,000 bail with the help of Steve Sparacino, a wealthy business owner. Portions of her legal defense expenses were paid for by the United Presbyterian Church."
@@pryorinc5827 I guess Nice Cat thinks that she should not be vegan because a dairy farmer helped her out FORTY-SEVEN YEARS AGO? I wonder if she was even vegan then. Regardless, people are helped and hurt by other people of all persuasions on a regular basis. Even if we disagree with them on certain matters, that doesn't mean we should not interact with or help each other at all.
@@nymm2505 I'm sure I've heard her say that she became vegan while she was incarcerated. Because the meat came with extra maggots. And that, at that point, it wasn't an ethical choice but more about not wanting to eat the meat they served. I have no idea when, or where, I picked that up though.
yet veganism itself is an industry using plastic, metal and petrol to sell .. how she ignores that primary fact is quiet savvy .. yet we know better ...
Samrat Bee The electronic device you used to type that also uses it. Your point is? Every single industry used it, at least most vegan friendly companies often try to sell in the most sustainable way possible. We have to start somewhere because complaining isn't going to help
Same applies to you or anyone ... Yet, veganism has been industrialized as is. Im not against veganism, yet by the time it hits the market its competing on the same terms as a coca cola or macintosh computer... which is profit maximization...
I think you're missing her argument. She's not arguing that we shouldn't struggle against capitalism. She's arguing the capitalism alienates us from the reality of the food we consume, and that socialism aught to be vegan.
There is a lot wrong with this world and veganism is not yet perfect either. That doesn't mean you shouldn't be vegan. For example, we need to pay laborers a living wage for veganism to move towards a more cruelty free reality. And as you mentioned, the plastic issue etc needs to be addressed as well.
Samrat B most people don’t and can’t see past the pages they follow on there social media. You are completely right my friend. There is a lot of evil with the vegan diet and vegan companies. Nothing is black and white, there gray all around. Our issue isn’t eating meat. Our issue is that food production is no longer in the hands of the people. Food production is in the hands of big corporations. Idk if I made any sense.
eating animals, for us, is just simple the circle of life. although food and capitalism don't mix, which can be proven by the affordability of food, food desserts, starvation anddepression of the quality of food in the last hundred years, human beings are omnivores. the only reason i see for going vegan is just to boycott the capitalistic food system, especially if you can't afford humanly raised, grassfed beef or other.
the "circle of life"? do you think the zebra lays down its life for the lion because of the 'circle of life'? before you use that term as some means of justification for our needlessly taking the lives of trillions of animals, rethink it. and human bodies, unlike lions, don't need animal products to survive. you really don't see ANY other reason for going vegan? not for the sake of causing less suffering to other sentient animals? not for any of the other reasons Angela Davis points out here? and, on top of that, you want to point the finger at capitalism as the culprit then you turn around and talk about 'humanely raised'. you don't think capitalism had anything to do with the marketing term 'humanely raised' that you are endorsing? 'humanely raised' - like 'circle of life' - is a convenient term when you're not the victim.
Evey Living i don't think so. we've been eating meat for thousands and thousands of years, even a prototype human before us. if we didnt eat meat, which allowed for extra fat and excess energy for storage, we'd be closer to our ape cousins, who mostly feed on vegetation all day and are lacking in the noodle compared to us. :]
Just when I thought there couldn't be another reason to love this woman!
She was mentored by an OG Marxist scholar.
In other words, she’s “hip” to all their goals. Including eating bugs….
@@Americansikkunt Or she actually just cares about other people. Human and non-human alike. Not everyone who challenges your worldview is evil.
@@user-xm1et7cz2o “the road to hell is paved with good intentions.” -a wise man
Did she “care about others” when he supplied firearms for bank robberies?
Let me guess, “it’s ok when she does it”, because, “Reasons.”….
@@Americansikkunt ... and scattered with mistakes, broken dreams and other disappointments... (the road to hell that is, though I'm not sure how that applies here)
What bank robberies? I'm no expert on the life of Dr Davis, and can't find anything mentioning that through internet searches. Would you care to enlighten me about what you are referring to?
@@user-xm1et7cz2o really? You couldn’t find it despite searching for it?
It is amazing what they hide from you….
And here you are applauding her as some sort of humanitarian…..
“Davis became embroiled in a new, more serious controversy when several weapons registered in her name were used in an attempted prisoner escape in a San Rafael, California, courtroom on August 7, 1970. Political activist Jonathan Jackson stormed the courtroom armed with a rifle and pistols, handed pistols to three black prisoners at the courthouse, and demanded the release of the Soledad Brothers, including his brother George Jackson, who was romantically involved with Davis. As the armed men attempted to leave with hostages, shots were fired. In the subsequent shootout between the men, police officers, and prison guards, four people, including a judge, were killed and four individuals were injured.
Davis owned two of the pistols that Jackson used. She had legally purchased them in 1968 and 1969 and had purchased the shotgun that was used to kill the judge two days before the courthouse gun battle. The guns had come from a collection of weapons that the Che-Lumumba Club used for target practice and were available to any member. Newspapers and magazines had a field day publicizing her ownership of the weapons. The Marin County attorney general initially held the position that Davis bore no fault in the crimes unless it could be proven that Davis had given the guns to Jackson with the intent that they be used to commit a crime, but he reversed that decision after the storm of publicity. On August 15, 1970, California authorities issued a warrant for Davis’s arrest on the grounds that she had aided in the crime. She faced charges of murder and kidnapping, but other than ownership of the guns, there was no proof that Davis was involved in the attack. She did not issue any comments about the situation, and the police were unable to locate her. Accordingly, a federal warrant was issued, and Davis became only the third woman to date to appear on the FBI’s 10 most wanted list.
Within a few weeks, Davis was captured in New York City, which she believed was a safe place for a black person to be arrested. Denied bail and returned to California, Davis spent 16 months in jail before her acquittal in 1972. A massive “Free Angela Davis” campaign turned her into an internationally known figure.” -Encyclopedia of Alabama
"I don't often mention I'm vegan, but when I do I blow minds."
I have always admired this woman. I am so happy to find out she is vegan too.x
I think our thoughtless treatment of certain animals is at the root of our violence and prejudice toward other people.
Melanie Joy coined this as CARNISM. If you are not familiar with her work, check her out on youtube and her book Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows.
Murray Bookchin, argued that it was "human relationships" that modeled the "non-human relationships," all engage in. There have never been any situations (long term) where the need to kill animals, provided the primary source of our food; we've always been hunter-gathers, with the emphasis on gathering!* but there are times when animals provided the
it is!
Yes, I truly love Angela Davis. We must end the oppression of all sentient beings. It's all related!
AllOppresionIsConnected! Thank you!
#GoVegan
She’s a person of highest integrity.
Angela Davis has always been an inspiration of mine when it comes to human/civil rights and the awareness of the injustices that capitalism thrives on. I began reading her book “Women, Race, & Class” (copyright 1981) and discovered her analogies of the black women slaves as referred to as breeders and their “young taken as calves from the cow.” And that’s what led me here. I’ve been studying Miss Davis for quite a few years now and I couldn’t be more elated to discover that she “practices what she preaches” so to speak when it comes to the oppression of all living beings. As another commenter stated, as if I needed another reason to love and respect this woman more than I already have. Thank you Miss Davis. I’m sure you would agree this is the bare minimum. It’s the right thing.
What a beautiful person.
I'm just now becoming aware of Angela Davis. Such critical thought!
What an inspiring individual.
I’ve been wondering if Angela Davis is vegan these past months thinking that it would be logical. I mean there are interconnections, intersectionnality between the human struggle and the animal struggle. And here there is laying it all out and confirming she is vegan. She is truly a superwoman ❤️❤️
Just wonderful! Reminds me of the quote - "there is no such thing as selective integrity"
Yes! She is amazing! Being vegan does challenge the capitalist industrial form of food production. It challenges our notions of hierarchy, of suffering, of profit from other beings. The exchange value of the actual object being traded has been under corporate control without any regard to what it actually means to trade in flesh.
Brilliant, and sadly really crucial that this comes from Davis herself. Within modern/contemporary Civil Rights Movement and Minority Activism it is often alleged (check your privilege etc) that the suffering of non-human beings is less important and therefore we should not consider it at all until we have managed to stop all human exploitation and suffering. When really, it would seem to me anyway, that if we could stop torturing and abusing animals, we might learn of a more universal empathy and how to show more love and compassion to our fellow brothers and sisters as well.
This comment wins
It does help end human suffering too. Anyone who thinks veganism doesn't help humans has never read about slaughterhouse accidents, air pollution of people who live near farms, water contamination of people who live near farms, the list goes on
Wtf is ''minority activism'', Patrick? Better yet, don't answer that and just shut up.
@@NiaLaLa_V Not to mention the mental and emotional health of everyone involved working with killing and cutting up the creatures we eat.
So rare to hear her speak on this subject...it is yet another indication of what we call Walking the Walk....She's done it her whole life, and I am indebted to her for setting such an extraordinary example!
I love this woman. I'm so happy you posted this.
+nyapapaya Yeah, I thought it was worth sharing so that others could share it with their friends, acquaintances, lovers, enemies, etc........ :)
Society has to understand that eating vegan will make us healthier. By extension, our health care systems will become much more affordable to the masses.
Watching this in 2020... Being Vegan for almost 6 Years...
I can see so much change😭🙏🏻💚
i hope to listen to Angela Davis talk to a Native woman in this hemisphere , or any small holding woman anywhere in the world who has relationships with domesticated animals, about being vegan.
Absolutely! She totally disregarded Native and Indigenous groups entirely with her assessment.
@@amandabanegas6851 She didn't say "we should all be vegans, regardless of our circumstances" though. She said we all have to reflect on, and look critically at, how we relate to what we consume.
That being said, I'd love to see conversations like the one mentioned. It's an extremely important topic. And indigenous peoples, and those with limited resources, always tend to get left out of things like this.
Thanks for the video. This woman is an inspiration. She is ahead of her time.
Angela my love
Great wisdom well expressed. Grateful.
Her positioning of veganism as part of a revolutionary perspective & understanding animal exploitation as part of capitalist industrial food production is something we need to develop with the our vegan movements.
She is Absolutely Brilliant. It is all connected, and this is a way to bring your ethics and beliefs into your daily lived actions.
Angela Davis RULES!!!!!
Came here from a documentary 😍You guys go watch the invisible vegan 💙💙
Bruh I didn’t know it was possible to be this based
Another reason to stan, whew 🌱
Yess
Love Angela Davis!!!!
Yes, this is very well said. Been vegan for almost 3 years and it is the greatest decision I've ever made.
very important to heal the fractured foundations of USA, ending poor suffering of origins of poverty.. the pointless millions ofterrible 2017 enslavement and sufferings, df n champs
LOVEEEEEEE
Thank you for being vegan, Angela Davis.
Good on you,Angela.
great women
I wish I found her before she passed. Would have loved to have met her.
pretty sure she works at University of California
She’s definitely alive…omg you scared me
@@atur8012 I’m so sorry. I read that she died, but I guess I should have checked it..
I know three years have passed, and this may be a strange request, but would you consider removing your comment?
Like someone else commented, it did cause a sudden chill of fear reading what it said, and I don't see the purpose of having yet others go through that scrolling through this comment section, when it's incorrect.
No blame on you for writing in. But I do believe it would be better to just remove it.
Thank you
i never knew she was vegan and i love her even more now
Hey, could you please add the option to add subtitles? Would like to add Spanish subtitles :)
I think you should have the ability to now. If not, let me know.
@@diaryofasheep Yes, it worked! Thanks!
This is a professor I really wanna have a long conversation with
amazing 😍😍😘😍
THIS VIDEO IS EVERYTHING
Interestingly, Rosa Parks gave up eating meat. Same with Cesar Chavez, Dick Gregory, and the wife and son of MLK...
FOR JUSTICE! YES!
I'm in love with her omg
👍 Whole food plant based for the environment and health; vegan for the victims!
Amen!
I love this woman
I love her so much!!
🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
Absolutely brilliant!
#GoVegan
Philosophers should do thier best to speak plainly. When they don't, the only people that hear thier messages are those that are similarly educated. I'm not unintelligent by any common measure but I can't help feeling that her lectures are kind of vague sometimes. This one in particular could use an example.
My respect
beautifully put
I love her 😍
!!!!!❤️
Dig.
How so many expensive shoes & clothes are developed in 3rd world country sweatshops. Where they recieve a wage of 10 cent an hr or lower.
i love you
Respect for human life begins with respect for all life.
If we mass-torture and mass-slaughter animals, we'll do it to "the other" human animals too. (In fact we have and do...)
If we quit doing it to animals we'll quit doing it to humans...
(If A.D. weren't vegan I'd be disappointed. Action, not just talk!)
this is fucking awesome. i love her haha
Not to mention it is modern day slavery that were all involved in with our privilege no matter your race.
Got damn it I’m on a communist learning spree at my shit jobs and now I have to stop eating meat for the revolution. Oh well my diabetic ass prob needs to any way 😂
Plants have feelings too. If you can't see that anything you eat has to die to give you life and suffer in the process than by all means increase your sensitivities. More animals and critters are killed for vegetables than meat. All lives count! For me 85% of my food is vegetables and the rest meat, and I don't eat anything out of a box. Food is a story. When I eat deer, I eat that story of Texas hillcountry and he gentle ways a deer dances around the land as its savvy senses play melodies with the plants. When I eat okras, I eat an interstellar transmitter by where spaceships are the okras and the seeds passengers. What story do you put in your body? And thank you for nourishing yourself as best as you can.
if plants had feelings (they don't), you'd still wanna go vegan because far more plants are "killed" in the process of meat and animal produce production. and you don't *have* to eat that "story" either. you can romanticize unnecessary death all you want, but that doesn't make your actions any more moral than murder, really
"In 1972, after a sixteen-month incarceration, the state allowed Angela Davis release on bail from county jail.[24] On February 23, 1972, Rodger McAfee, a dairy farmer from Fresno, California, paid her $100,000 bail with the help of Steve Sparacino, a wealthy business owner. Portions of her legal defense expenses were paid for by the United Presbyterian Church."
Point?
@@pryorinc5827 I guess Nice Cat thinks that she should not be vegan because a dairy farmer helped her out FORTY-SEVEN YEARS AGO? I wonder if she was even vegan then.
Regardless, people are helped and hurt by other people of all persuasions on a regular basis. Even if we disagree with them on certain matters, that doesn't mean we should not interact with or help each other at all.
she wasnt vegan back then.
@@nymm2505 I'm sure I've heard her say that she became vegan while she was incarcerated. Because the meat came with extra maggots. And that, at that point, it wasn't an ethical choice but more about not wanting to eat the meat they served. I have no idea when, or where, I picked that up though.
She gone far . Their animals ,make em ,eat em an sh#t em
Virtue signal
Would you say the same for those against dog fighting/eating?
yet veganism itself is an industry using plastic, metal and petrol to sell .. how she ignores that primary fact is quiet savvy .. yet we know better ...
Samrat Bee
The electronic device you used to type that also uses it. Your point is? Every single industry used it, at least most vegan friendly companies often try to sell in the most sustainable way possible. We have to start somewhere because complaining isn't going to help
Same applies to you or anyone ... Yet, veganism has been industrialized as is. Im not against veganism, yet by the time it hits the market its competing on the same terms as a coca cola or macintosh computer... which is profit maximization...
I think you're missing her argument. She's not arguing that we shouldn't struggle against capitalism. She's arguing the capitalism alienates us from the reality of the food we consume, and that socialism aught to be vegan.
There is a lot wrong with this world and veganism is not yet perfect either. That doesn't mean you shouldn't be vegan. For example, we need to pay laborers a living wage for veganism to move towards a more cruelty free reality. And as you mentioned, the plastic issue etc needs to be addressed as well.
Samrat B most people don’t and can’t see past the pages they follow on there social media. You are completely right my friend. There is a lot of evil with the vegan diet and vegan companies. Nothing is black and white, there gray all around. Our issue isn’t eating meat. Our issue is that food production is no longer in the hands of the people. Food production is in the hands of big corporations. Idk if I made any sense.
eating animals, for us, is just simple the circle of life. although food and capitalism don't mix, which can be proven by the affordability of food, food desserts, starvation anddepression of the quality of food in the last hundred years, human beings are omnivores. the only reason i see for going vegan is just to boycott the capitalistic food system, especially if you can't afford humanly raised, grassfed beef or other.
the "circle of life"? do you think the zebra lays down its life for the lion because of the 'circle of life'? before you use that term as some means of justification for our needlessly taking the lives of trillions of animals, rethink it. and human bodies, unlike lions, don't need animal products to survive.
you really don't see ANY other reason for going vegan? not for the sake of causing less suffering to other sentient animals? not for any of the other reasons Angela Davis points out here? and, on top of that, you want to point the finger at capitalism as the culprit then you turn around and talk about 'humanely raised'. you don't think capitalism had anything to do with the marketing term 'humanely raised' that you are endorsing?
'humanely raised' - like 'circle of life' - is a convenient term when you're not the victim.
Funny how no one mentions this 'circle of life' when a kid gets eaten by an alligator.
Humans are physiologically herbivorous.
Evey Living i don't think so. we've been eating meat for thousands and thousands of years, even a prototype human before us. if we didnt eat meat, which allowed for extra fat and excess energy for storage, we'd be closer to our ape cousins, who mostly feed on vegetation all day and are lacking in the noodle compared to us. :]
That's a nice long list of shitty excuses to harm animals.