Dave’s the goat. 15 year dealer tech and I still learn everyday! These young cats gotta remember these old heads that are still around, well they’re around for a reason
Trouble is I hear kids say us older guys are just old dinosaurs that should retire. Kids today think they have it all figured out while living in their parents basement. Drives me nuts. 😳
@@1999zrx1100yeah but just because you are old doesn’t mean you are just inherently useful/helpful. If dave didn’t have his personality we wouldn’t like him so much. Which most techs do not have a personality like him. I worked with several older techs that rolled their eyes if you even walked up to them, and others that would drop everything and help you with whatever you need till you are good
I inherited my father’s 1968 Ford Bronco *officially* after he passed last year. He was paralyzed since February 2000. I to this day do not have the funds or time to get it 100%. It kills me everyday I didn’t get it road worthy before he passed. I towed it from NY to CO when I moved three years ago I will NEVER let it go. This video hits hard let alone anything involving a Bronco.
Buy parts as you find them as cheap as possible. When i build stuff i tend to buy several vehicles so i can get the parts i need as cheap as possible. Im negative $2,000 in an ls swapped mustang right now. $400 for the car. I sold the v6 engine and transmission for $400. Then, bought an 05 chevy truck for $900. I pulled everything i need for the swap, parted out the rest of the truck and scrapped what was left. It'll be running and driving for less than $2,000. When i built my 78 ford, i bought 10 or 12 trucks. I ended up building my nice truck, a nice driver to sell and a beater to sell along with all the parts i sold. Sure, i had a ton of time in it but basically got paid to build my truck. Im sure my actual hourly pay wasnt great but i wouldnt have been able to build my truck otherwise. I was a poor teenager working at Wendy's and a trucking company.
Dave, I enjoy your channel very much. I'm not a mechanic by any stretch of the imagination. You got me excited to maintain my vehicles so much that I jumped out in my garage at midnight!! God's timing- I realized immediately my Highlander Radiator was depleting of fluid. I was low about 2 liters. The next two days my radiator finally gave out and dumped fluid on the garage floor. But we had already parked the car to wait on the mechanic! Thank you for what you do!!! You aren't only inspiring your kind, but you help the general public like myself. Greetings from Arkansas!
I love those 1970s broncos that blocky look and the interior of the old school fords . Awsom vid . Thanks again dave everything you do 👍🤘👍. I would keep it OG . Do the timing chain and i new 2 barrel and i would run that beast till the wheels fall off
Dave - really hope you do a full start-to-finish filming of this Bronco project. I love old cars. Honestly, I own a '24 Camaro SS 6 speed which I love, and frankly, from a repair standpoint, I love old cars more than new ones. Let's see some old man brain power with distributor, timing, dwell, and a good old fashioned carb! This Bronco will still be running long after the zombie apocalypse, while my Camaro will glitch out lol!
Broncos are holding their value. I have a 1990 in a storage unit and the body is rusting apart but when I take it for a ride around town people still say "Wow"...A Bronco nice truck! My "new" vehicle is a 2000 Excursion 7.3 and I'll die owning that truck!
Dave- love your channel, but that Motorcraft 2100 carburetor is a damn good one. I rebuild those all the time. Yes, we can re bush them, but most of the time it’s not necessary in my opinion. Pumping the gas with the engine off will leak gas out of any carburetor throttle shaft. There has to be some clearance between the shaft and the housing..
I can remember over 30 years ago when I was doing work experience for a local mechanic in my area (Garys auto centre) over here in Australia at 15 years of age a customer drove a Toyota Land Cruiser which they had done a Holden 253 cubic inch V8 engine conversion to , to their workshop with a fully disassembled Holden 308 cubic inch V8 engine for them to rebuild & install. Yes,they did the engine conversion but he obviously wanted more power,my point is it was the red Holden 253 cubic inch V8 engine which was built in the 1970's which was only putting out probably 86 kilowatts at the flywheel,it may have put out 100 kilowatts at the flywheel if it was fitted with a twin exhaust system. The stock "Red" 308 cubic inch Holden V8 engine put out 114 flywheel kilowatts with a single exhaust system & possibly 126 flywheel kilowatts with a twin exhaust system fitted. That's both of them in stock form which were built between 1968 & 1980, Holden then had both capacity engines built as the "Blue" Holden V8 engine from 1980-1984 then Holden ditched the 253 cubic inch Holden V8 then fuel injected & hotted up the "black" 202 cubic inch Holden six which started off as a Red & a blue engine as well. They fitted a hotter camshaft, factory stainless steel exhaust headers & a new EFI inlet manifold onto the 12 port cylinder head which engine put out 106 flywheel kilowatts (more than the 100 flywheel kilowatts 253; cubic inch Holden V8 engine) but I think that it was thirstier than that engine. It started off as a 66 flywheel kilowatt 9 Port headed red carby engine in 1971 then it became a 71 flywheel kilowatt 12 ported blue six in 1980 then they squeezed 86 flywheel kilowatts out of the black 202 cubic inch Holden six in Carby form in 1984 ( same power output as the single exhaust 253 cubic inch Red Holden V8 engine). The "black" 308 cubic inch carby Holden V8 put out 126 flywheel kilowatts in 1984 but it's capacity was dropped down to 304 cubic inches to satisfy the racing bodies (CAMS) rules & regulations at the Bathurst 1000 annual race at Bathurst in New South Wales that every car in the race had to have an engine which is 5000 CCS or under,the 308 cubic inch Holden V8 engine was just above that. Note that these engines were powerful for the 1970's & the 1980's & the 304 cubic inch Holden V8 engine made its debut up until 1999 when the 179 flywheel kilowatt EFI version was replaced by the then 225 flywheel kilowatt Gen 3 5.7 litre Chevrolet LS1 V8 engine. Note that those old Holden V8 engines aren't very powerful to todays standards unless you throw a lot of money at them when you can fit the better Gen 3-5 Chevrolet V8 engines for less money !
The only way to make any money on restoring a vehicle is if you have the time and ability to do nearly everything yourself and don’t really figure in your time. There’s a lot of old vehicles driving around that have had $30,000 spent on them and they’re only really worth $15-20,000 if you go to sell them.
@@VC-Toronto i dont know man. Jay leno is buying very high end cars that were built by shops he knows does good work. Ive seen some beautifully restored cars until they go on a lift and the flashlight comes out. Terrible welds, poorly patched rails and structure, rats nest of wiring tucked anywhere they could hide it... unless you know the builder, id avoid someone else project for the most part. I mean... i wouldnt be mad if someone had already done all of the brakes and suspension work so paint and body is all thats left but id never buy something " in primer and ready to paint".
@@minnesotatomcat id generally agree but these things were only made 2 years. No matter the generation, broncos have a cult following. These things are getting more valuable by the minute.
Excellent video Dave, old iron like the Bronco should be saved. That said, I've rebuilt older carbs by lathe turning a small bushing or a new shaft, soldering the floats, or reaming jets. No need to buy rebuilt if you have the tools and time
@@alanmeyers3957 There are some fuel injection setups that will bolt onto these vintage engines. They "auto-learn" and take a lot of the guesswork out of carb adjustments. At max max max they produce a bit less power than a carb setup, but for 99% of the applications that's not an issue.
I checked an older Motors Manual (1977-84) and came up with a couple of things: In 1978 Ford put the 351Ws and the 351Ms in their full size cars. The 351W speced at 144Hp @ 3200RPM with 277 lbs. torque at 1600 RPM. The 351M speced at 145HP at 3400 RPM and 273 lbs. torque at 1800 RPM. The year before that the 351M put out 16 more HP with a lower compression ratio, 8.3 verses 8.0, we'll have to ask Ford how they did that! My Ford SVO book says the 351C and the 351M were similar in design except for main bearing sizes and some block dimension's. You had mentioned comparing to the 351C...it was only produced for 4 years 1970 through 1974...if you install a 1970 or 1971 it would have up to 10:1 compression and would probably produce more low end torque because of that. On the other hand the 351Cs with 4 bbl heads had larger valves and intake/exhaust passages which are fine for higher RPM usage but kill low end torque and HP. To sum it up...if your looking for low end always go for cubic inches...a 400M will move you quicker than a 351W-M-or C. Copied from www.ford-trucks.com/forums.
You are correct on most of that, 351w (windsor) were a car only engine untill early 80s. Also, windsors and clevelands had a different bell housing than a 351&400m
@jacobhammond5432 LMAO - I assume you discovered this the same way I did? After 2 "experts at 2 different Ford dealers guaranteed bolt up. Mickey Thompson (I graduated from Mark Keppel HS) & Mike Mack both laughed. As Ronald Reagan infamously said, "trust but verify". 400M eould be my choice.
My Dads car was a 1979 Ford Thunderbird with a 351W. I still have the original service manuals on it ; but not the car. I remember this giant boat of a car for its day got really good gas mileage maybe 27 mpg and was a nice ride. Brings back good memories; but was to expensive to maintain.
I’ve worked at a salvage yard for 20 years as the buyer. We test our motors via compression and oil test and run them when possible. Also they’re inspected thoroughly. You get the VIN# that the motor came from and the chance to buy an additional “labor” warranty. I understand Dave’s opinion I would want to sell my own product also. However you can usually get a good quality used motor and save money.
Good used motors are perfect for back yard mechanics where they and a buddy can put it in and do whatever is needed. Where there is no time pressure to get a fleet vehicle back on the road, and where the only out-of-pocket is parts. If they get a dud motor, they're out $1500... move on. If Dave gets a dud and puts it in... then has to take that back out... put # 2 in...the customer apt to be out $15,000 in shop time...which could be more than the book value , and still not have a running vehicle. And that could be that guy's last dime. It's lose-lose. If I was Dave (or any shop) I wouldn't install anything I couldn't warranty. Even if the customer was willing to sign the disclaimer. At some point the right choice is a trade-in and a vehicle payment.
I love that this thing is original and I hope it stays that way. It's becoming more and more uncommon to find one without some kind of drivetrain swap or restomod. I know the 351m/400 are turds but it's more unique. If anything the best route imo is a 460 as it's pretty much a direct swap and doesn't really require too much modification and can be easily reverted. I had a pretty clean rust free '82 Bronco that I sold a couple years ago before the prices really exploded "during covid" for $4k lol..probably be worth double now at least.
Reminds me of my grandfather's '92 F250. He's the only one that's owned it, bought it new off the lot. When he passes it's going to me and I'm going to keep that thing on the road until I'm dead and in the dirt myself. Every dime I'll ever put into it I'll never get back, but dammit it's going to keep me on the road. It deserves nothing less.
My dad bought a 1971 LTD with the 400, ordered August 1970 and delivered the day after Thanksgiving that same year. It was the first year of the 400. That stupid engine, due to a poor combustion chamber design, pinged, knocked and rattled from day one. We owned that car for 30 years and that engine ran with only having the timing chain replaced until about 230K miles when it developed a lower end knock. I swapped that motor into a 1971 Ford station wagon in 1989 and got a 429 (from the wagon) into the sedan, wow! What an engine when it was set up right (Duraspark II ignition and Holley TBI).
Everyone did business like they were doing it with their mother I think the world would be a better place! That’s how I run my business and it’s not easy when everyone else is seemingly screwing people over
Dude that bronco is in amazing shape you will never find a 78 in the mid west that good as it sits its 8-10k, fixed up 20k. its not a early bronco but the market is coming back for them, I would love one. definitely never to much power in the 78-79 broncos id go 460 nice mud tires fix the body and dash take top off put in roll cage and summer drive the hell out of it.
If you like (love) it, fix it & keep it. Will still be cheaper than a new replacement monthly payment, won't break as often, YOU can repair it, and everyone wants it because more durable & well made.
I had one just like this , on it's best day 10 mpg and on slick road in 4 wheel drive 4-5 mpg but go anywhere and stop to get gas had to shut engine off to get it filled up .
My Neighbor had this exact year white/Green stick shift they drove for 10 years. He would leave for work at midnight & in summers with windows open I can hear him take off & by 3 rd gear he was out of range to hear going into 4th. Every summer Him & his wife would vacation out on Smith point Beach on Long island back in Days wen you could Drive on Beach & put up a Tent.
I agree, that guy only knows what he reads or hears. Annoying as hell. Confusing if he was saying they are fixing it to sell or fixing it to keep. He should never be a go between for building anyones fream vehicle. Just a clueless dreamer. Not a fan of Heavy D either.
I still can't believe that Dave gave us an online tour of his bathrooms! Complete with a remote and a dryer and everything. That was funny as hell. The first thing I thought of was that Dave must be running out of content ideas for his RUclips channel. I also notice in the last few videos that Dave is walking around the shop finding different variations on the word "Boo!", like "Booyah!" and "Boom!", so that he can yell "Boo!" at people. (Since it's not Halloween anymore, he has to think of new ways to keep being able to say "Boo!" around the shop. (See the RUclips Shorts video titled "Happy Halloween.")) He must be really stressed out from the filming with the Discovery Channel that's coming soon.
I love that era Bronco, I'd just get it up and running on the original motor, maybe do a mild build with some new heads, intake and carb. Or just buy a carbed Ford Crate 351W. Put the rest into bodywork and the interior. I still cant comprehend $50k for a late model motor swap, just not worth it for how 99% of people use a classic vehicle.
Dave, I am about to hire someone to pick up my semi truck and ship it directly to you! It does not matter the distance it will be hauled so long as you can get it back up and running again. Been to 3 mechanics and not one can give me a definitive answer. Just keep asking me to throw thousands and thousands into parts hoping that one of them solves the issue! Lol guess when you live in North Dakota there aren’t many options when it comes to diesel mechanics. 😅
Just put a Jon Kaasse in it. Off the top of my head that's a 351M-400 with the big block bolt pattern. Kaasse sells a Boss 9 or his 460s in the 500hp range for about 25k. All new parts so you know what you're getting. It's easy to spend 10-12k on a rebuild these days.
Sir Mr Dave. I heard you guys saying you had problems finding Ford 6.7 Crank and Cam. I have had a 2012 i think F550 twin turbo 6.7 It was being shown off by 18 yr. It maybe made half a turn when #7 piston rod went through the side. I have two low mile heads. I see no marks on Crank. Cam is also under 10,000 miles from factory. Full injection pump, the low mile twin turbo complete still together, oil pump, water pump, fly wheel with fomo 6.7 sticker on it. Harmonic balancer. I have but was not concerned with lifters and push rod. I scrapped the block. I want it out of my shop. Tired of trying to think of what i would put twin turbo on. Unless my 83 460 that is in my 1977 f250 4x4 (highboy). If not wanted i am going to scrap all aluminum. Clean up time. Unless wanted i have not a clue any value. I trust everyone to be fair to me. Thank you.
Bring it to Dave . He will tell you the truth . I believe if you put Half of a new truck payment into that classic . It would be a great driver and fun off-roader .
DAVE.....next time let your sale team deal with the customers. Everybody on this side of the internet wants a 12valve cummins with speed of air pistons and dynamite diesel injectors 50% oversized ...!!!❤
I think they’re pretty sought after everywhere. Especially decent ones that aren’t all rusted out, there’s just none left around here with the road salt.
Most of them Broncos came with the 351M/400 Cleveland type engine and the problem was at least the 351M they would start losing oil pressure around 75,000 miles… The best and easiest swap is with a 460 which will bolt up to the transmission but you need aftermarket motor mounts which I bought from a company called “L&L”… 351M’s were the worst engines back then only good for boat anchors ⚓️ I really don’t think and I never saw a 351 Windsor in them…? But I have done dozens of 460 swaps in them… Most of them if I left the engine stock actually got better gas mileage because of a lot less load on the engine compared to the 351M…
A 400 will swap in easier and has WAY more power potential than a 351M. Also, the 4 inch stroke makes lots of torque right off the bat in the rpm range. 460 swaps are quite overrated.
Have you men ever seen the valve sizes and port sizes use with a 351 Cleveland 4 Barrel carb engine? (huge ports 2.19/1.71 intake/exhaust valve sizes) truly old school muscle car magic. The Windsor engine is a common as the rocks on the side of the road. Took a walk through the town I live in last night (I had left my phone at home) there was a truck F650 FORD and trailer rig that made what we see here look like a toy. Trailer was used to deliver ORV (off road vehicles) as operating (and renting) ORV is big here in Northern Idaho. I don't see how a truck/trailer rig could get better. I go up and ask when that truck will make a second appearance as everyone with any sense leaves for the winter (Silver Valley Idaho.) Guys can you try and remember that cars, and trucks especially older cars and trucks use ENGINES, not motors?
That is because the Cleveland 351 was based off the 460 block and the Winsor was based off the 302 block. Both are completely different motors. 428 and also swap parts with Cleveland .
@@leesharp7683 There is a channel here on RUclips showing a guy explaining the 351 4v heads. He actually has a head cut up to show details. I was surprised to learn that with the intake ports being so big there were metal directors added to the ports so as the flow went the best direction. I think this guy mentioned using Boss 302 heads on a Cleveland. Let me look.
@@danielrose-tt7os Thank you but i have modified to a 460. I have changed the cam for towing. But Fords main issues have always been exhaust valves are to small. I have an older 460. Pre 85' with C6 heavy ribbed case. So i am still carburetor but if i had money would chang that plus headers. I have 8 years into modifying turning every bolt by myself even rewire and so many extras. Even same stock color blue as the first Bigfoot. Being first 6 months of 1977 the f250 has thr one ton frame. I even put in power steering. Fabbed in aluminum radiator. It doesn't ever let me down. Instant fire every morning.
I hope dave is charging premium coin to these guys , doing their job for them . I feel like they are trying to cling to Daves success . Customer goes to them , they go to dave , skip the middle man and go straight to the pro.
Many spot on statements and a offer aplomb for the way you can deal with customers like this. FYI, the engine on the trailer is a Cleveland, not a Windsor. The engine in the Bronco? Who knows, I didn't get a good enough look at it There is a point where you need to decide as I put it, you need to "marry it or bury it". Just tell them that you don't do rattle can rebuilds... :) Yea, that is a cool trailer!
I know for a fact that 170 is too much. I had a 78 3/4 ton with the same power train. I used for plowing in Maine winters back in the day. Most gutless acceleration I've ever experienced in a vehicle. Gotta say though, it was an amazing workhorse!
It's a 351w, why would you swap it? For a tiny fraction of a swap, you can make plenty of power with it. It only made about 170hp stock. But, the parts are readily available to build it to 500hp.
It looks like wider valve covers to me I don't think that's a Windsor its a 351m. or 400.. A slight cam thats not retarded like the stock one..a decent intake and exhaust and youd be very surprised at the hp..More compression would help even more. Have done several 2V and 4V headed Cleveland's with excellent 2V results. The Ms have similar heads to a 2V Cleveland . A quick way to tell a Windsor from a M...exhaust bolts in a row Windsor .. angled bolts= M or Cleveland
That's a two year only extremely in demand bronco. To use a Joe Rogan phrase, "I think you'd be surprised" on how much that bronco would bring. Do some research on what those trucks are bringing. I've got a 78 250 and a 79 150 both custom explorer package 78-79 my favorite because the square headlights. Thankfully I found both my trucks several years ago and both were one owner well takin care of trucks and before the prices went bonkers. These broncos are expensive and worn out or really expensive in good shape
That motor was nowhere near 1 horse per cubic inch from the factory. Probably barely over half that. Not saying they were bad, but they were no powerhouse.
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That's a 351M, as in midland. It's an emissions version of the 351 Cleveland. Throttle shaft clearance, unless really loose, is usually not a problem. Just richen the left side idle mixture screw abot more.
351 M, the M doesn't "stand" for anything they never had an engine plant in Midland Canada! The only reason Ford put a letter after the engine was to designate it from a Cleveland or Windsor! I hate when people call it the "Midland"!
@suprdav2 Ford never referred to it as Modified, that's a term that Ford enthusiasts call it. The 400, which was released 4 years earlier never had a "M" attached to it. The sole purpose of the "M" for the 351 is so it wasn't confused with the Windsor or Cleveland. Look it up to see for yourself.
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Dave’s the goat. 15 year dealer tech and I still learn everyday! These young cats gotta remember these old heads that are still around, well they’re around for a reason
Same here 15 years with Chrysler. Dave absolutely rules. The way he deals with customers should be taught nationwide.
Trouble is I hear kids say us older guys are just old dinosaurs that should retire. Kids today think they have it all figured out while living in their parents basement. Drives me nuts. 😳
@@1999zrx1100yeah but just because you are old doesn’t mean you are just inherently useful/helpful. If dave didn’t have his personality we wouldn’t like him so much. Which most techs do not have a personality like him. I worked with several older techs that rolled their eyes if you even walked up to them, and others that would drop everything and help you with whatever you need till you are good
This is the type of man that all men should watch on RUclips. This is how you use a platform for not only yourself, but for others. Great channel!
I inherited my father’s 1968 Ford Bronco *officially* after he passed last year. He was paralyzed since February 2000. I to this day do not have the funds or time to get it 100%. It kills me everyday I didn’t get it road worthy before he passed. I towed it from NY to CO when I moved three years ago I will NEVER let it go. This video hits hard let alone anything involving a Bronco.
Your not that far from Dave's shop
@@chuckdameron5626Yeah only a couple hours I’m in Fort Collins.
Buy parts as you find them as cheap as possible. When i build stuff i tend to buy several vehicles so i can get the parts i need as cheap as possible. Im negative $2,000 in an ls swapped mustang right now. $400 for the car. I sold the v6 engine and transmission for $400. Then, bought an 05 chevy truck for $900. I pulled everything i need for the swap, parted out the rest of the truck and scrapped what was left. It'll be running and driving for less than $2,000. When i built my 78 ford, i bought 10 or 12 trucks. I ended up building my nice truck, a nice driver to sell and a beater to sell along with all the parts i sold. Sure, i had a ton of time in it but basically got paid to build my truck. Im sure my actual hourly pay wasnt great but i wouldnt have been able to build my truck otherwise. I was a poor teenager working at Wendy's and a trucking company.
Who tf is that nerd
"It'll bolt into every car except the one I happen to be working in." Absolute wisdom, Dave. Beautifully stated and it couldn't be more true 🤣
Gotta love Dave🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀
Right, it's like every vehicle I have owned I couldn't get the go fast goodies for them .
Dave, I enjoy your channel very much. I'm not a mechanic by any stretch of the imagination. You got me excited to maintain my vehicles so much that I jumped out in my garage at midnight!! God's timing- I realized immediately my Highlander Radiator was depleting of fluid. I was low about 2 liters. The next two days my radiator finally gave out and dumped fluid on the garage floor. But we had already parked the car to wait on the mechanic! Thank you for what you do!!! You aren't only inspiring your kind, but you help the general public like myself. Greetings from Arkansas!
Hello Arkansas !! Thank you for that. We love that this community has a good variety of skill and talent in many different ways 👍
I love those 1970s broncos that blocky look and the interior of the old school fords . Awsom vid . Thanks again dave everything you do 👍🤘👍. I would keep it OG . Do the timing chain and i new 2 barrel and i would run that beast till the wheels fall off
Dave may just be my favorite person in the world! Straight up cool cat with tons of wisdom and humble!
Dave - really hope you do a full start-to-finish filming of this Bronco project. I love old cars. Honestly, I own a '24 Camaro SS 6 speed which I love, and frankly, from a repair standpoint, I love old cars more than new ones. Let's see some old man brain power with distributor, timing, dwell, and a good old fashioned carb! This Bronco will still be running long after the zombie apocalypse, while my Camaro will glitch out lol!
Broncos are holding their value. I have a 1990 in a storage unit and the body is rusting apart but when I take it for a ride around town people still say "Wow"...A Bronco nice truck! My "new" vehicle is a 2000 Excursion 7.3 and I'll die owning that truck!
7.3 Excursion is my dream vehicle - a 4x4 black Limited! You're lucky keep that thing going and absolutely keep rust in check!
Dave, Just love your channel and the guys that work for you. Wish more shops were like yours!
Dave- love your channel, but that Motorcraft 2100 carburetor is a damn good one. I rebuild those all the time. Yes, we can re bush them, but most of the time it’s not necessary in my opinion. Pumping the gas with the engine off will leak gas out of any carburetor throttle shaft. There has to be some clearance between the shaft and the housing..
Dave your honesty just blows me away.You’re a great man,thank you ❤❤
You are so welcome
I can remember over 30 years ago when I was doing work experience for a local mechanic in my area (Garys auto centre) over here in Australia at 15 years of age a customer drove a Toyota Land Cruiser which they had done a Holden 253 cubic inch V8 engine conversion to , to their workshop with a fully disassembled Holden 308 cubic inch V8 engine for them to rebuild & install.
Yes,they did the engine conversion but he obviously wanted more power,my point is it was the red Holden 253 cubic inch V8 engine which was built in the 1970's which was only putting out probably 86 kilowatts at the flywheel,it may have put out 100 kilowatts at the flywheel if it was fitted with a twin exhaust system.
The stock "Red" 308 cubic inch Holden V8 engine put out 114 flywheel kilowatts with a single exhaust system & possibly 126 flywheel kilowatts with a twin exhaust system fitted.
That's both of them in stock form which were built between 1968 & 1980, Holden then had both capacity engines built as the "Blue" Holden V8 engine from 1980-1984 then Holden ditched the 253 cubic inch Holden V8 then fuel injected & hotted up the "black" 202 cubic inch Holden six which started off as a Red & a blue engine as well.
They fitted a hotter camshaft, factory stainless steel exhaust headers & a new EFI inlet manifold onto the 12 port cylinder head which engine put out 106 flywheel kilowatts (more than the 100 flywheel kilowatts 253; cubic inch Holden V8 engine) but I think that it was thirstier than that engine.
It started off as a 66 flywheel kilowatt 9 Port headed red carby engine in 1971 then it became a 71 flywheel kilowatt 12 ported blue six in 1980 then they squeezed 86 flywheel kilowatts out of the black 202 cubic inch Holden six in Carby form in 1984 ( same power output as the single exhaust 253 cubic inch Red Holden V8 engine).
The "black" 308 cubic inch carby Holden V8 put out 126 flywheel kilowatts in 1984 but it's capacity was dropped down to 304 cubic inches to satisfy the racing bodies (CAMS) rules & regulations at the Bathurst 1000 annual race at Bathurst in New South Wales that every car in the race had to have an engine which is 5000 CCS or under,the 308 cubic inch Holden V8 engine was just above that.
Note that these engines were powerful for the 1970's & the 1980's & the 304 cubic inch Holden V8 engine made its debut up until 1999 when the 179 flywheel kilowatt EFI version was replaced by the then 225 flywheel kilowatt Gen 3 5.7 litre Chevrolet LS1 V8 engine.
Note that those old Holden V8 engines aren't very powerful to todays standards unless you throw a lot of money at them when you can fit the better Gen 3-5 Chevrolet V8 engines for less money !
The only way to make any money on restoring a vehicle is if you have the time and ability to do nearly everything yourself and don’t really figure in your time. There’s a lot of old vehicles driving around that have had $30,000 spent on them and they’re only really worth $15-20,000 if you go to sell them.
Jay Leno often says to purchase your dream car from someone who has already done the grunt work of restoration.
@@VC-Toronto exactly
@@VC-Toronto i dont know man. Jay leno is buying very high end cars that were built by shops he knows does good work. Ive seen some beautifully restored cars until they go on a lift and the flashlight comes out. Terrible welds, poorly patched rails and structure, rats nest of wiring tucked anywhere they could hide it... unless you know the builder, id avoid someone else project for the most part. I mean... i wouldnt be mad if someone had already done all of the brakes and suspension work so paint and body is all thats left but id never buy something " in primer and ready to paint".
@@minnesotatomcat id generally agree but these things were only made 2 years. No matter the generation, broncos have a cult following. These things are getting more valuable by the minute.
Or if you take it to Mexico and get it fully restored.
We tried our best to catch it on fire but we couldn't. Awesome line
Excellent video Dave, old iron like the Bronco should be saved. That said, I've rebuilt older carbs by lathe turning a small bushing or a new shaft, soldering the floats, or reaming jets. No need to buy rebuilt if you have the tools and time
And most of the time the rebuilds don’t work properly.
@@alanmeyers3957 YMMV, but I've had good results
@@alanmeyers3957 There are some fuel injection setups that will bolt onto these vintage engines. They "auto-learn" and take a lot of the guesswork out of carb adjustments. At max max max they produce a bit less power than a carb setup, but for 99% of the applications that's not an issue.
Best description of how a carb works I’ve ever heard
I checked an older Motors Manual (1977-84) and came up with a couple of things: In 1978 Ford put the 351Ws and the 351Ms in their full size cars. The 351W speced at 144Hp @ 3200RPM with 277 lbs. torque at 1600 RPM. The 351M speced at 145HP at 3400 RPM and 273 lbs. torque at 1800 RPM. The year before that the 351M put out 16 more HP with a lower compression ratio, 8.3 verses 8.0, we'll have to ask Ford how they did that! My Ford SVO book says the 351C and the 351M were similar in design except for main bearing sizes and some block dimension's. You had mentioned comparing to the 351C...it was only produced for 4 years 1970 through 1974...if you install a 1970 or 1971 it would have up to 10:1 compression and would probably produce more low end torque because of that. On the other hand the 351Cs with 4 bbl heads had larger valves and intake/exhaust passages which are fine for higher RPM usage but kill low end torque and HP. To sum it up...if your looking for low end always go for cubic inches...a 400M will move you quicker than a 351W-M-or C. Copied from www.ford-trucks.com/forums.
Thanks for the feedback!
You are correct on most of that, 351w (windsor) were a car only engine untill early 80s. Also, windsors and clevelands had a different bell housing than a 351&400m
@jacobhammond5432 LMAO - I assume you discovered this the same way I did? After 2 "experts at 2 different Ford dealers guaranteed bolt up. Mickey Thompson (I graduated from Mark Keppel HS) & Mike Mack both laughed. As Ronald Reagan infamously said, "trust but verify". 400M eould be my choice.
My Dads car was a 1979 Ford Thunderbird with a 351W. I still have the original service manuals on it ; but not the car. I remember this giant boat of a car for its day got really good gas mileage maybe 27 mpg and was a nice ride. Brings back good memories; but was to expensive to maintain.
What a lovely comment about treating every repair like its your mothers car. Love that ❤
I have a project truck I have big plans for. Hearing this is nice to keep my expectations realistic
Best of luck!
Broncos are actually worth a lot and will probably skyrocket in value over the next decade or two. It is definitely worth fixing up!
My 1972 Ford Bronco Stroppes Special is worthy of a video all by itself.
Diesel Dave is a great guy. It's great to see him again on another video.
I’ve worked at a salvage yard for 20 years as the buyer. We test our motors via compression and oil test and run them when possible. Also they’re inspected thoroughly. You get the VIN# that the motor came from and the chance to buy an additional “labor” warranty. I understand Dave’s opinion I would want to sell my own product also. However you can usually get a good quality used motor and save money.
Good used motors are perfect for back yard mechanics where they and a buddy can put it in and do whatever is needed. Where there is no time pressure to get a fleet vehicle back on the road, and where the only out-of-pocket is parts. If they get a dud motor, they're out $1500... move on. If Dave gets a dud and puts it in... then has to take that back out... put # 2 in...the customer apt to be out $15,000 in shop time...which could be more than the book value , and still not have a running vehicle. And that could be that guy's last dime. It's lose-lose. If I was Dave (or any shop) I wouldn't install anything I couldn't warranty. Even if the customer was willing to sign the disclaimer. At some point the right choice is a trade-in and a vehicle payment.
Certainly an option. Thanks for the feedback
Love watching these videos. So much educational information in them
I love that this thing is original and I hope it stays that way. It's becoming more and more uncommon to find one without some kind of drivetrain swap or restomod. I know the 351m/400 are turds but it's more unique. If anything the best route imo is a 460 as it's pretty much a direct swap and doesn't really require too much modification and can be easily reverted.
I had a pretty clean rust free '82 Bronco that I sold a couple years ago before the prices really exploded "during covid" for $4k lol..probably be worth double now at least.
Reminds me of my grandfather's '92 F250. He's the only one that's owned it, bought it new off the lot. When he passes it's going to me and I'm going to keep that thing on the road until I'm dead and in the dirt myself. Every dime I'll ever put into it I'll never get back, but dammit it's going to keep me on the road. It deserves nothing less.
Nice!
It really seems like Dave hasn’t forgotten anything he’s learned about engines/cars. And a great guy as well !
Hated the 351/400M. We had a few on the ranch. No bypass on the water pump but always ran hot with trailers hooked up.
My dad bought a 1971 LTD with the 400, ordered August 1970 and delivered the day after Thanksgiving that same year. It was the first year of the 400. That stupid engine, due to a poor combustion chamber design, pinged, knocked and rattled from day one. We owned that car for 30 years and that engine ran with only having the timing chain replaced until about 230K miles when it developed a lower end knock. I swapped that motor into a 1971 Ford station wagon in 1989 and got a 429 (from the wagon) into the sedan, wow! What an engine when it was set up right (Duraspark II ignition and Holley TBI).
I remember my first Bronco. Removed the 400 and swapped in a 365 hp D0VE 460. It was sweet!
Everyone did business like they were doing it with their mother I think the world would be a better place! That’s how I run my business and it’s not easy when everyone else is seemingly screwing people over
I had a 78 Bronco, it was a great machine, loved it!
By the way mine was a 351 big block, the only two engines offered were that and a 400.
Yep, a 351M or a 400M😉
@@gwrider2146 technically just 400, but 400m everyone will still know what you mean too
Both junk
@@gwrider2146no such thing
Ford didn't make a big block
That motor ain't never been aPART bro 😂🤙
Great video Dave, enjoyed seeing the conversation with the customer and how you run your business. Hi Mom!.
Windsor, Modified, or Cleveland. 1978 chances are that Bronco has a 351M
Wouldn't fall out of tree as it rolled off the showroom floor....much less having the shit beat out of it then sitting for 20 years.
400 Cid is what 79 has
@@falcordamascus4420I had a 400M in my 79 bronco
76-79 could have the modified or the 400@@falcordamascus4420
@@falcordamascus4420 The 400 was an option in 78/79. Got you like 2 more HP and 8 ft*lbs of torque.
I'd love to have that Bronco.
Dude that bronco is in amazing shape you will never find a 78 in the mid west that good as it sits its 8-10k, fixed up 20k. its not a early bronco but the market is coming back for them, I would love one. definitely never to much power in the 78-79 broncos id go 460 nice mud tires fix the body and dash take top off put in roll cage and summer drive the hell out of it.
I love your philosophy Dave! Fix it like it's your mums. Great video!
Thanks 👍
If you like (love) it, fix it & keep it. Will still be cheaper than a new replacement monthly payment, won't break as often, YOU can repair it, and everyone wants it because more durable & well made.
That bronco is absolutely worth saving
I had one just like this , on it's best day 10 mpg and on slick road in 4 wheel drive 4-5 mpg but go anywhere and stop to get gas had to shut engine off to get it filled up .
My Neighbor had this exact year white/Green stick shift they drove for 10 years. He would leave for work at midnight & in summers with windows open I can hear him take off & by 3 rd gear he was out of range to hear going into 4th. Every summer Him & his wife would vacation out on Smith point Beach on Long island back in Days wen you could Drive on Beach & put up a Tent.
The guy with the mustache is clueless lol
😂 he should have kept it all to himself…off camera at least!
I agree, that guy only knows what he reads or hears. Annoying as hell. Confusing if he was saying they are fixing it to sell or fixing it to keep. He should never be a go between for building anyones fream vehicle. Just a clueless dreamer. Not a fan of Heavy D either.
@@Ryabeticit’s common sense. I can tell you are one of those people lol
That's the way I do it when I used to work in cars
I have a FJ60, just repair the motor, was considering swapping but after hearing from Dave it could go 50K I know I did the right choice.
I still can't believe that Dave gave us an online tour of his bathrooms! Complete with a remote and a dryer and everything. That was funny as hell. The first thing I thought of was that Dave must be running out of content ideas for his RUclips channel. I also notice in the last few videos that Dave is walking around the shop finding different variations on the word "Boo!", like "Booyah!" and "Boom!", so that he can yell "Boo!" at people. (Since it's not Halloween anymore, he has to think of new ways to keep being able to say "Boo!" around the shop. (See the RUclips Shorts video titled "Happy Halloween.")) He must be really stressed out from the filming with the Discovery Channel that's coming soon.
Glad you liked the bathroom tour 🤣
He gave us a "shit show" for sure!
@@eagledustoff37shortserious65 Yeah, that's awesome! ROFL
Hi Dave! Always love you doing this.
your team is the best, wish l could come there and learn from your team.
Down by the river reference is awesome
I love that era Bronco, I'd just get it up and running on the original motor, maybe do a mild build with some new heads, intake and carb. Or just buy a carbed Ford Crate 351W. Put the rest into bodywork and the interior.
I still cant comprehend $50k for a late model motor swap, just not worth it for how 99% of people use a classic vehicle.
Dave is the GOAT
Kids at a candy store 🎉 to many memories.
8:57 you know diesel is a good guy when he waves to people honking. 👍
If it's old and not a rust bucket the value is going up . People are rebuilding long bed trucks now because the short beds are almost all gone .
Dave, I am about to hire someone to pick up my semi truck and ship it directly to you! It does not matter the distance it will be hauled so long as you can get it back up and running again. Been to 3 mechanics and not one can give me a definitive answer. Just keep asking me to throw thousands and thousands into parts hoping that one of them solves the issue! Lol guess when you live in North Dakota there aren’t many options when it comes to diesel mechanics. 😅
Yes, the 78-79 Ford bronco are some of the most sought after 4x4's on the market . Id buy that one before it was drug out of the barn.
Just put a Jon Kaasse in it. Off the top of my head that's a 351M-400 with the big block bolt pattern. Kaasse sells a Boss 9 or his 460s in the 500hp range for about 25k. All new parts so you know what you're getting. It's easy to spend 10-12k on a rebuild these days.
Best comment-Bolt In, it will bolt in to every car except the one I’m working on!!
Dave lived in Van down by river. He's the best
Sir Mr Dave. I heard you guys saying you had problems finding Ford 6.7 Crank and Cam. I have had a 2012 i think F550 twin turbo 6.7 It was being shown off by 18 yr. It maybe made half a turn when #7 piston rod went through the side. I have two low mile heads. I see no marks on Crank. Cam is also under 10,000 miles from factory. Full injection pump, the low mile twin turbo complete still together, oil pump, water pump, fly wheel with fomo 6.7 sticker on it. Harmonic balancer. I have but was not concerned with lifters and push rod. I scrapped the block. I want it out of my shop. Tired of trying to think of what i would put twin turbo on. Unless my 83 460 that is in my 1977 f250 4x4 (highboy). If not wanted i am going to scrap all aluminum. Clean up time. Unless wanted i have not a clue any value. I trust everyone to be fair to me. Thank you.
Daves great and should know all the square bodies are coming back with all the Broncos, C-10's and Power Rams rising in cost.🤓
If the body and frame are solid then it's worth a pretty penny as it sits.
I really need to get my van to you guys. These local dealers are absolute garbage.
Keep the episodes coming. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 👍
Bring it to Dave . He will tell you the truth . I believe if you put Half of a new truck payment into that classic . It would be a great driver and fun off-roader .
Just started watching video. I'm gonna say 351 modified 400.
DAVE.....next time let your sale team deal with the customers.
Everybody on this side of the internet wants a 12valve cummins with speed of air pistons and dynamite diesel injectors 50% oversized ...!!!❤
Thanks for the feedback 👍
Dave, please tell the story about that Chevelle on your floor. Do a quick section on it please
We will see what we can do! Thanks for watching
@@DavesAutoCenterCenterville looking forward
Will definitely need a follow up on this
Bronco's in Texas area hot item. The price is high here.
I think they’re pretty sought after everywhere. Especially decent ones that aren’t all rusted out, there’s just none left around here with the road salt.
Most of them Broncos came with the 351M/400 Cleveland type engine and the problem was at least the 351M they would start losing oil pressure around 75,000 miles… The best and easiest swap is with a 460 which will bolt up to the transmission but you need aftermarket motor mounts which I bought from a company called “L&L”… 351M’s were the worst engines back then only good for boat anchors ⚓️ I really don’t think and I never saw a 351 Windsor in them…? But I have done dozens of 460 swaps in them… Most of them if I left the engine stock actually got better gas mileage because of a lot less load on the engine compared to the 351M…
I got a 78 with a 68 429, thing goes pretty good.
A 400 will swap in easier and has WAY more power potential than a 351M. Also, the 4 inch stroke makes lots of torque right off the bat in the rpm range. 460 swaps are quite overrated.
Highly sought after
Stock 351 with fuel injection in 1996 had 210 horsepower
Wow timing chains in push rod motors!
On the real, I wish I knew what Dave has already forgotten !! LOL
50k for a swap another 40k for body work and paint and people wonder why resto mods cost so much 😂
Keep it original...the Bronco. No computers and a heck of a lot easier to troubleshoot. Cut and dry.
Right on
Diesel Dave!!
Yep, great guy!
Can you put new throttle shaft bushings in?
I had a rebuild shop that would put bushings in my Rochesters for me.
The 78 and 79 Bronco’s came with the 351 modified or the 400
Have you men ever seen the valve sizes and port sizes use with a 351 Cleveland 4 Barrel carb engine? (huge ports 2.19/1.71 intake/exhaust valve sizes) truly old school muscle car magic. The Windsor engine is a common as the rocks on the side of the road. Took a walk through the town I live in last night (I had left my phone at home) there was a truck F650 FORD and trailer rig that made what we see here look like a toy. Trailer was used to deliver ORV (off road vehicles) as operating (and renting) ORV is big here in Northern Idaho. I don't see how a truck/trailer rig could get better. I go up and ask when that truck will make a second appearance as everyone with any sense leaves for the winter (Silver Valley Idaho.) Guys can you try and remember that cars, and trucks especially older cars and trucks use ENGINES, not motors?
That is because the Cleveland 351 was based off the 460 block and the Winsor was based off the 302 block. Both are completely different motors. 428 and also swap parts with Cleveland .
@@leesharp7683 There is a channel here on RUclips showing a guy explaining the 351 4v heads. He actually has a head cut up to show details. I was surprised to learn that with the intake ports being so big there were metal directors added to the ports so as the flow went the best direction. I think this guy mentioned using Boss 302 heads on a Cleveland. Let me look.
@@danielrose-tt7os Thank you but i have modified to a 460. I have changed the cam for towing. But Fords main issues have always been exhaust valves are to small. I have an older 460. Pre 85' with C6 heavy ribbed case. So i am still carburetor but if i had money would chang that plus headers. I have 8 years into modifying turning every bolt by myself even rewire and so many extras. Even same stock color blue as the first Bigfoot. Being first 6 months of 1977 the f250 has thr one ton frame. I even put in power steering. Fabbed in aluminum radiator. It doesn't ever let me down. Instant fire every morning.
That 351 Windsor only makes around 160hp stock, not kidding, that made there power in torque, but not hourse
I think Dave likes the trailer
I hope dave is charging premium coin to these guys , doing their job for them . I feel like they are trying to cling to Daves success . Customer goes to them , they go to dave , skip the middle man and go straight to the pro.
Many spot on statements and a offer aplomb for the way you can deal with customers like this.
FYI, the engine on the trailer is a Cleveland, not a Windsor. The engine in the Bronco? Who knows, I didn't get a good enough look at it
There is a point where you need to decide as I put it, you need to "marry it or bury it". Just tell them that you don't do rattle can rebuilds... :)
Yea, that is a cool trailer!
You would be lucky if that 351 produced 170HP.
I know for a fact that 170 is too much. I had a 78 3/4 ton with the same power train. I used for plowing in Maine winters back in the day. Most gutless acceleration I've ever experienced in a vehicle. Gotta say though, it was an amazing workhorse!
Yeah more like 155hp, the 400M may make 170hp on a good day.
@@gwrider2146 maybe😂
@@dennisschmitter7310 320 ft pounds of torque at 2000 rpm but 0-60 in 20 seconds lol!
Yeah they were really neutered to pass 70's smog regulations. The engine has real potential though.
We need an update on the AMG you had in the shop with the cracked crankshaft.
They had to send the till out for retooling so there are enough digits to print the final bill
Whould you change intake and put a 4 barrel carb on it to make it run better or not
Dave heard "six figures"and told them to roll it in 😂
Holy s*** I have the same shirt as Diesel Dave
Interesting, I want to find a Bronco have Dave build it for my mother. Soon as I hit the lotto…
It's a 351w, why would you swap it? For a tiny fraction of a swap, you can make plenty of power with it. It only made about 170hp stock. But, the parts are readily available to build it to 500hp.
I dig you brother!🙏👍
I appreciate that
If it’s original it should be a 351-M. I had a 1978 and I don’t think they put a Windsor in these late 70’s trucks.
If it wasn't for the Windsor the LS motor would of never been made. Ford sets the way for America vehicles
in canada people are asking 10k for such a mint truck.
It looks like wider valve covers to me I don't think that's a Windsor its a 351m. or 400.. A slight cam thats not retarded like the stock one..a decent intake and exhaust and youd be very surprised at the hp..More compression would help even more. Have done several 2V and 4V headed Cleveland's with excellent 2V results. The Ms have similar heads to a 2V Cleveland . A quick way to tell a Windsor from a M...exhaust bolts in a row Windsor .. angled bolts= M or Cleveland
That's a two year only extremely in demand bronco. To use a Joe Rogan phrase, "I think you'd be surprised" on how much that bronco would bring. Do some research on what those trucks are bringing. I've got a 78 250 and a 79 150 both custom explorer package 78-79 my favorite because the square headlights. Thankfully I found both my trucks several years ago and both were one owner well takin care of trucks and before the prices went bonkers. These broncos are expensive and worn out or really expensive in good shape
Love your channel... 1 suggestion... get a new mic.
Thank you, I will
That motor was nowhere near 1 horse per cubic inch from the factory. Probably barely over half that. Not saying they were bad, but they were no powerhouse.
That's a 351M, as in midland. It's an emissions version of the 351 Cleveland. Throttle shaft clearance, unless really loose, is usually not a problem. Just richen the left side idle mixture screw abot more.
351 M, the M doesn't "stand" for anything they never had an engine plant in Midland Canada! The only reason Ford put a letter after the engine was to designate it from a Cleveland or Windsor! I hate when people call it the "Midland"!
I thought the M stood for modified?
As in "modified"?
"M" is for modified
@suprdav2 Ford never referred to it as Modified, that's a term that Ford enthusiasts call it. The 400, which was released 4 years earlier never had a "M" attached to it. The sole purpose of the "M" for the 351 is so it wasn't confused with the Windsor or Cleveland. Look it up to see for yourself.
I got an '03 Jetta wagen being turned into a caddy. VW didn't make a caddy in '03 so .....
love the videos but y'all need to work on your camera contrast settings either during shooting or in post production.