Mustang GT verification (1965 - 1966) - How to identify a real GT
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- How to verify your 1965 - 1966 Mustang is a FACTORY built GT. ➡️Full article with illustrated photos visit: myrod.com/how-to-mustang-gt-v...
We share 22 clues on how to identify a real GT Mustang. After watching this video you'll have a pretty good understanding on what makes a real GT Mustang and how to tell a real GT from a fake or a clone! We used an original 1966 Silver Frost GT Mustang fastback as our example for this video.
There are:
7 external clues:
* GT gas cap
* GT trumpet exhaust
* GT stripes
* MUSTANG lettering
* GT Badge
* Disc brakes
* GT fog light bar
6 under hood clues:
* fog light wiring holes
* 13/16 diameter front sway bar
* 289 V8 with four barrel carburetor
* A code in Vin# at 5th digit
* large master cylinder with clip on top (for disc brakes)
* quick ratio steering box (with HCC AW tag code for power steering or HCC AX tag code for manual steering)
4 interior clues:
* GT exhaust hanger bolt mount with reinforcement plate under rear seat
* Fog light switch
* disc brake pedal pad
* GT gauge cluster (*for 1965) (*could also be pony interior option without GT in 1965)
4 undercarriage clues:
* Dual exhaust
* GT dual exhaust hanger bracket mounts on rear floor pan
* GT reinforcements in rear frame rails (*same as trunk clue)
* brake line mount location left of exhaust bracket
1 trunk clue:
* GT “U shaped” reinforcements in rear frame rails (this one is our favorite ways to quickly find out if a Mustang is a real GT because it's easily accessible and also happens to be one of the hardest to fake)
We hope this video is helpful!
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Sets the standard for well informed, professionally presented videos. I wish more RUclips people would do the same.
Thank you very much!
I'm glad to see someone provide complete information about early GT cars. Most of the time it is only half the clues or wrong. Very well done.
Thanks John!
Our neighbor Bob Bogardus was one of Ford's So Cal guys. Gave my brother and me Mustang tie tacks for Christmas in '65. Thanks Bob!
A very well done presentation. Those mufflers were amazing . . no way they'd look like that if it was a northern states car after 50 years.
I too was amazed. Makes me think the odometer reading may in fact be the actual miles. (Thank you)
astrogen1960
I agree with you.
Salt has destroyed our cars in the Northeast and Midwest. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Happy new year.
Extremely helpful! Looking at a A car now and will use these tips to ensure it is a true GT
Well, there you go. I have a rebuilt 65 A Code Fastback that I've pulled apart and reassembled more times over the years than I care to remember - and I had always wondered at the stamped hole through the radiator mount plate. I had assumed it was for the horn in some way. Now I know.
Awesome! Glad we could help :)
Thank you. I bought a factory 65 GT Convertible and can't wait to check it out with all the info you provided. Great job!!!
You're absolutely welcome! You can also check out the blog post on our website which has detailed photographs for reference.
@@QualityClassics test
Very Detailed and easy to understand video. Look forward to more from you!
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Exceptionally well done! Thank you!
Thank you so much! Our goal is to help and inspire people who share our passion for classic cars.
I love your videos !!! So helpful 65/66 mustangs are my favorite and I love learning how to identify different models
That makes my day Katie!!
Good job on this video. I researched 5 years ago before I purchased my 65 Fastback and discovered it is a true factory GT. The best way is how you explained the factory exhaust reinforcement in the rear frame. Actually I was hoping I could prove it was not a GT to get the price down!
Thanks Tim! Yeah, the frame reinforcement is a lot less likely to be "faked". Sounds like you have a cool ride!
A great informative video, a dream for me in the sixties. Best wishes from a Mustang lover from Norway.
Thank you very much Bjorn! We've sent many nice cars to Norway.
Great explanation. Good to know all this "small" details.
Thanks! It's always wise to be an informed buyer/seller.
Thanks, I learned a lot about my GT.
Wonderful fact full video. You are the best. Thanks for the info.
Thank you, perfect illustrator 😁👍
Great video, well done. Very helpful, thanks.
Wow, awesome, nice job. Such a great video.
Absolutely important to know, thanks
How and why did it stay so clean?
I love good back story’s.
very good vid, I owned two originals, one of the most durable cars ever, Mine went over 150 k on everything and never too slowly. in fact more the other way. Second one was a gutted theft recovery i updated a bit and kept from 77 till 2003. front spoiler the biggest improvement to handling and cooling, kills the front end lift and pulls air out of the engine compartment.
interesting, thank you for sharing
The father who is for 80 years old this year is at the time when I was still young. I took part in a fastback of 1965th model year. I'd like to take it now, too, but it isn't easily and is quite expensive car by a book today. A cool car.
Great information, thank you so much.
Excellent advice. Thank you!
You're very welcome!
Also - where the fog lites are bolted to the grill, there is a notch in the frame support to allow this bolt to fit and mount to the front grill.
Also, "P10" designation will be on the Build/Buck Tag located on the upper engine compt. apron or radiator support. Dearborn or Metuchen-Built cars only. San Jose built cars did not have a Tag.
Had one, 1965 Guardsman Blue, A code 4 spd. I put a pony interior in it. Last I knew it was in the Netherlands - was watching a body off restoration when their web site went down. Would love to see it now!
Excellent presentation
Very nice wonderful video
I’d say it’s better then a marti report
Thanks for the help
Very nice video and thank you. You stated that only GT's would have had a cut out rear valance for dual exhaust tips (at around 13:13). How about cars that received the dual exhaust option from the factory but were not factory GT's? I have a '65 with exactly that case. FYI, it also has the mounting hangers underneath.
Keep up the good work guys.
Cut outs are GT only, however you could still have the dual exhaust hangars like all of my K-code cars.
Great job on a very well illustrated reference video.
Just to add to the discussion: not mentioned was the "PI" or the "PIO" on the passenger side fender "buck tag;" if available (another "slam-dunk" when Identifying true GT's, generally on Metuchen or Dearborn assembled cars).
Superb Mustang!
So true. Unfortunately no buck tags were ever installed on San Jose cars... none the less that is a very good point I simply left out.
The only slam dunk...
GOOD info... Thanks for posting!
Thank you so much!
Great video! Just wondering about the intake grille that sits on the the rear quarter, in front of the wheel. Was that deleted on all GTs?
Correct, that is a "delete" item for the GT .... I really should have pointed that out. Thank you
Great video guys, you need to use that intro again, its fire!
Oh, thanks Sam! Much appreciated!
Great info thanks for that .
Thank you and you're very welcome!
Very helpful, thank you!
You are most welcome Pat
in one of your comments some one said they had everything except the disc brakes and it just recently jogged my memory as I remember back in 71 or so I had a caliper seize and I needed new ones and ,, they were not available even from ford, perhaps the owner of the GT who commented was forced to switch to drums, I remember having a bear of a time trying to rebuild my set up , the 65 and 66 calipers had a poor design for sealing the caliper boots which was modified in 67 a bit fixing the problem.
Great video. 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Thanks!
A friend of the family asked me to help them sell their old car. 65 GT convertible. This video will help me determine if it’s authentic. The old fella (owner) has Alzheimer’s, but says it was repainted in his restoration shop Caspian blue several years ago, and engine has 1 hour break-in only. Add roller tip rockers. All new OE interior including new roof.
Now to verify using this video. And help them sell it.
Could you please make a similar video on a 69 428 Mach1. Thank you.
Happy New Year!
Pete :")
I'll make a note of that Pete. Next time we get one in!
That would be awesome!!! Thank you MyRod! Cheers!
Pete :")
Did these cars have a "panic grab bar" for the passenger on the dash? I've seen that before but I can't remember which early Mustangs had that feature
Curious as to what company supplied your new exhaust?
Forgot rear brake porporioning valve
I know - makes me SICK - very important item
I understand the springs are different as well to sit one inch lower
I’m hoping you can offer me some help.
The floor pans on my ‘66 mustang have been replaced but the mounting brackets for the rear seatbelts were not replaced. I have the two inner mounts intact. What I’m looking for is an idea of where the outboard brackets would mount.
Any help would be appreciated, thank you.
Thank you) Just wondering about what classification 1965- mustang that have the interior Light in the bottom of the doors
That only came on the optional deluxe interior cars, often referred to as PONY INTERIOR
Great video!
Thanks, I really appreciate the feedback!
Shared on our Blog also!
blog.virginiaclassicmustang.com/2016/12/65-66-factory-gt-mustang-how-to-spot.html
Thank you for the re-post Virginia Classic Mustang! We really appreciate your sharing our video! I've got your parts catalog sitting right next to me on my shelf... great stuff.
Great video
Thank you!
I read elsewhere that GT packages were built starting in February 1965, I had not heard that before but maybe something that can be useful if true.
My Dad Had Just About All Options on his
1965 GT Ralley Pack
K.Code
4.Speed,
Pony int.(black)
Convertible(white)
Red/ Black int.
White Stripes.
Factory Air..
Car came with a
Black Conv.Top.
Changed to White..
Stripes Factory white ?
Don't know if he changed from Black to white..
do you guys come across factory 67-68 GT coupes?? its extremely hard to find them on RUclips. i have a 68 GT coupe hardtop (not vynl) factory 302 auto, pony interior all factory etc...
Your car sounds awesome! We don't get nearly as many coupes but we've had a few... here's a video of one we had ruclips.net/video/RRg8-YSQNq8/видео.html
K code is the Hi-Po; not this A code car
You aren't going to use a paper tape to measure diameter of the sway bar. The paper tape is good for measuring circumference; not diameter.
Great video. Thanks for posting.
Hi, great video, I have looked at countless videos and web pages trying to find this information.
I have a 1966 coupe that I have done up, it has everything in your video except the front disc brakes and it is very frustrating as everyone I speak to says it MUST have front disc brakes to be a GT. It even had the disc brake logo on the brake pedal. The car had never been restored as far as I can tell and I have all photos to prove it has all the points in your video. My question to you is-
Is it possible to have front drum brakes on a GT? I don't see why someone would've gone to all the trouble to try to make it a gt clone, as the car was not in a very good condition when I bought it. Or the only other thing I can think of, is that for some reason the disc brakes were swapped for another car? It has bugged me from day one from when I first bought the car.(the seller, never even mentioned anything about it possibly being a gt,but he wasn't a ford man, he was just going to do it up and flip it) Any input would be greatly appreciated-I can send photos to you if required.Regards Dave from Melbourne Australia
The answer is no, it would've definitely had front disc brakes. HOWEVER, IT IS HIGHLY possible that they were just swapped out some time ago. We've actually owned a car that had that exact same thing happen to it. I wouldn't be surprised at all if this is the case with your car. Cheers from Texas! Go check out the article on our website related to this video... there's some really nice illustrated photos.
Cant believe it but in the middle of the night was thinking about my GT and back in 71 I needed new rotors and calipers, they were not available from ford then and some one like your cars previous owner may have been forced to switch to drums....
My father's A code convertible had drum brakes with the GT handling package, from the factory, was special ordered that way by him.
Good info
Thank you ...... hopefully it will help people make a knowledge based decision when considering a supposed GT. Truth is there were FAR FEWER factory built GT's than most people thought. I will cover this topic in an upcoming video. Please subscribe if you have not already.
Thanks for the vid.
Are these clues only for a GT fastback, or does every clue apply for convertibles too?
I have what I think is a 66 GT convertible A code. Your video applies for everything on this car except for those reinforcement plates under the rear seat. Could it not be same for convertible, or behind seatbacks as opposed to floor? Thanks for any clarification.
Hey Rossco - for what it's worth I have a 66GT coupe and the reinforcement plates are there so would assume the same for all body styles. Also check for filled holes from behind the rear quarter panels as GTs do not have the metal trim piece on the C-shaped scoop along the sides. If someone cloned a GT they would have removed those trim pieces
@@rongaunt8348 will check Ron, thank you! And to be clear, are your reinforced plates on the actual floor under the rear seat, or are they up just off the floor but under the part of the seat you put your back on? Hoping that makes sense.
GT cars also did not have side scoop trim if I am correct.
LOL I made the same comment two !!! years ago ,
haha yup
Thank you so much! I can't stand people who buy a regular Mustang and turn it into a fake GT, or even worse, a Cobra.
You're welcome!
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Would all of this still apply fir a coupe?
i found a 65 that had all the gt features even the trunk part but not the bumper having the tailpipe running through it
It may have been a non-GT K-code !!
My dad had a
1965 G.T Convt. Ralley pack.
Red - white stripes,
black pony interior
289 High performance K Car
4.Spd , 4br.
factory A/C.
car came with Black top,
change to white.
Nice video
How many GTs did they make in 1965
There were no secondary records kept, so no Marti Report to know the exact number unfortunately. I never knew why the auction houses all use the same 'less than 1%' description but now I know. It probably was way less than 1%.
GREAT VIDEO.. WOW, I AM THE FIRST TO WRITE A MESSAGE,, NOW FIND MORE 2ND GEN TRANS AMS
Agree ..... I am in the hunt for a special example now.
What an incredible life you live. I have followed you a long time..
Thank you for watching!
What about the rally pac? Does a get have to have one?
I have a 1966 Fastback GT Sliver Frost with a BLACK interior and RED GT stripes. It’s a repaint, but what looks like a remnant of the original stripe is near the rear corner of the door jam and it’s RED. I was under the impression RED stripes (other than RED interior cars) only came on BLACK exterior cars with BLACK interior. Someone also said the stripes could be specially ordered too. What are your thoughts?
IMO, The GT stripes were generally matched to the interior unless a car was black with black interior....or white with a white interior......in the case of MY '65 K GT Convertible thats triple black my stripe is Red.....
Does this apply for the GT coups as well? Maybe it’s a silly question but I think still relevant.
Hi, question. I have a 65 convertible, that I believe to be a GT. Bought it from the original owner who said it was a GT. It has every identifier you talked about as far as being a GT, but the problem is that I just read that the GT's didn't come out til mid-April 1965 and my VIN says the car was built in January 1965 (A for the date code). Does that mean my car's not a GT? Any input on that would be appreciated Thanks.
no GT bulit prior to April
I like that 67 on the rack.
EXCELLENT VIDEO!! Looking for information on rear quarter windows. How do you know if they were original to the car? Did they come on Shelby only or GTs too?
They only came on shelby's in 1966 only
Pretty damn good.
Thanks!
Great info !
When I was 16 and bought faked GT .. never again.
Thx
Yes, knowledge is power.
The radiator support was not always punched in 1965 GT’s they were also drilled out. And a square snubber plate above the pumpkin we’re only made for GT’s.
That may well be true, I was unsure of this (drillled -vs- punched, but have heard from several on this topic) ... would love to go back and speak to this
All of them add up. Including the plate in the rear rail for the dual exhaust.
sounds like the real deal
bellissima from Italy
Thanks from Texas!
I have a C code with all the hidden GT identifiers. 74k original miles.
All 1965/66 factory Gt’s were either A or K Codes.
I had a 65 Coupe "A" code 4 speed, disc brakes, all GT but no foglites, stripes, or cut outs.
I remember seeing a black 'k' coupe in the junk yard in the 80s, 4spd, disc brakes - but no other gt items. It was all original.
I am investigating a 1965 mustang GT convertible. How do I determine if it is the original engine. It is supposed to be a 289 A. Can you provide a picture of what it should look like. Maybe even better, how can I determine if it is the original? I use to own a 1965 Mustang with the 2 barrel 289, and the colors were gold. I thought that the colors of the 4 barrel should be blue. The one I am investigating are gold. I would greatly appreciate any help that you can provide. My next Mustang will be my 5th.
I thought the chrome strip on the front edge of the hood, located just above the grille, was also GT-only. Is that correct?
No, not a GT specific item
In '65 the only cars that got the hood molding were the GT models. I believe in '66 all Mustangs got the molding.
When looking at a GT or K code car I always just walk right to the trunk and check for the rear dual exhaust welded brace...it can't be faked....everything else can....including the vin stamp.
Can y’all say how to tell the sixty four, five, six, and seven APART. I may sound dumb, but I’ve been trying to figure it out but I don’t know what’s accurate or not
great Mustang bro and like pu
thank you
My late father's A code convertible had the GT handling package only. It was also special ordered by him with drum brakes and not disc!!!!
that is unusual but darn near anything was possible
@@QualityClassics, yea it was unusual but people tend to forget that back then customers could actually order their cars how they wanted em. My father said he didn't want the disc brakes, because if I remember correctly '65 was the 1st year of em for Ford, they were having some issues with em yet. He also didn't want the GT badging cause he didn't want to have to run the shit out of it all the time lol. I put the GT steering box, sway bar, spindles, n the 8in 3.00 traction lock in my mom's 64 1/2.
Not sure the "GT" handling package was sold as such, certainly not before the GT was introduced. Early K-code cars had the handling package and used Fairlane station wagon brakes.
The handling package was sold as a "stand alone" package also. You could order just that as my father did. There was 3 different "packages" that would be combined to make a "full GT". Just because my dad's car didn't have the other 2 doesn't mean it wasn't a GT, it had the most important part, the handling package. It was also a late 65 and not all Kcodes were GTs.
I just bought a 1966 fast back supposedly a GT I have most of the clues except the core support and I have a bottom molding but the car has been restored once
It's possible that the core support could have been changed out at one point in your car's history. The rear frame rail is the hardest to fake, so if you've got that then the odds are you're probably good. :)
I understand that 78 ford granada spindles can be fitted, using more modern disc set up, ?? course not original but interesting.
Me gusta mucho el mustang
Great video ! Do Gt's also have the chrome trim on the rear fender vent (back fom the door) deleted?
Great video and great looking car! I would say the lip on the hole in the rad support, the steering box tag and the fog lamp wireing are the best and most iron clad clues. The dual exhaust reinforcements are good, but I would guess that nearly all A and K codes were ordered with dual exhaust. The external clues aren't worth much...too easily added, unless you're dealing with an untouched original. Even with an original they could be dealer add-ons. Ford advertised "Make your Mustang a GT. Your dealer has all the parts" and people loved to customize their Mustangs back then.
Thanks man!
Non-GTs (K-codes mainly, because I've never seen a factory A code with factory dual exhaust) HAD dual exhaust, but the tailpipes were turned down and from the outside of the car they looked like single exhaust car tailpipes. So THEY WOULD have had the same reinforcements in the back.....
correct
That's the way the Shelby GT350 was done. My 64.5 K-code convertible was the same way.
Could you please answer this question. I just got a 1966 Mustang delivered from an Estate Settlement. It has rear windows and a larger trunk. Every other GT Item is right on. The Fog Lamp hole has a factory Black Grommet. It was a One Owner from 1966 so what gives? Also it has 5 lug wheels. Was there a Sedan Model of GT? All the decals and paint are original. The owners manual was in the glove box.
Does it have duel tip exhausts?
@@angusyoung1582 It turned out to be a Full Blown Factory GT 289 4 sp A collector bought it for $ 12 K. He now has his first Ford Mustang.
Yes, the Mustang Coupe could also be ordered with the GT option. Bought one of these cars in Alabama decades ago (before anyone restored Mustangs), when I used to travel down there for Ford. Car was all original, 4 speed, no power - from a woman owner . . .
@@misskaroon Hi, I offered the car to a Camero Collector ( Diamond Jim ) the car checked out completely as factory original. I gave him all the receipts for the car and asked that he consider saving it. His family loved the idea of a Black 1966 GT original ( original Hub Caps ). Their first Ford is the Grand Sire of his White Camero Collection. They generously gave 50% over my output to save it. This is one Mustang that won't be Found On the Road Dead.
@@hostingwithhenry6716 I guess I am confused here. I was participating in a discussion of some details on a '65 GT currently on BaT. Is your reply about this "estate settlement" car? If so, I was simply supplying confirmation that the GT option was also offered on the Coupe model , which sounds like your :sedan: model. All Gen 1 mustangs with any V8 engine have 5 lug wheels (six cyl are 4 lug). It is the later Fox bodied cars that have 4-lug wheels in all models.
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What about "C" codes? That was a 289 2V, no?
At least for 1965 only A and K codes were GT from factory
Yes, C-code is 289 2V.....just one click away from an A-code and easy "to step up" to 4-v
Can I have the muffles?
This car has some problems on the interior. GT's have a wood-grain wheel regardless of pony interior. The instrument cluster and glove box door will have the same outlining as the wood-grain panel. www.virginiaclassicmustang.com/66-GT-INSTRUMENT-BEZEL-USE-WITH-STANDARD-INTERIOR-WITH-GAUGES-P2757.aspx www.virginiaclassicmustang.com/66-GT-WITH-STANDARD-INTERIOR-BLACK-GLOVE-BOX-DOOR-P2860.aspx
Also what was not mentioned on the exterior is that there be NO rocker trim and NO quarter trim on a GT. These were always deleted.
This car is obviously a GT, however, somewhere in its history its interior was probably restored before correct bezels were available for the GT and wood-grain wheels were not being reproduced or restored.
Thanks for your comment Chip! Actually the wood-grain steering wheel is not a required option for a GT. However, you are correct about the glove box lid being replaced before the correct style was being reproduced. You're also correct about the rocker molding and trim being deleted... we just didn't feel it necessary in this video to mention what is "not" supposed to be on the car. You've got a sharp eye!
This is actually not true, my car is a documented San Jose GT K-Code with standard interior and it always had the black standard steering wheel, and full circle chrome inline camera case instrument bezel and glove box door. This has been discussed many time on the mustang concours forum and other sites. See this quick link link as others have found the same thing, notice the update correction when talking about it... www.mustangdreams.com/verify-1965-1966-mustang-gt.htm
Great video. But those sandals with the jeans... no good.
I dont believe
gt's had the side scoop either
that is correct....I failed to point that out
Well the mustang is no longer original anymore since you removed the factory GT exuast system.
I have recently purchased a 1965 “A” code coupe that is a GT, so far I can confirm that is a Factory GT, however I have a couple of questions, did 65’s have the pony interior available, also my car has a wood grain dash is this incorrect my car came with a standard interior,
wood gain only came on deluxe interior cars, and yes, deluxe (Pony) interior was available in 65
Interior Pony GT had different handles. With stainless steel wheels they had stainless steel spare. Everything else was great. GT package were a package that was ordered . I still have original order sheet from Williams Ford from when I ordered my fastback GT when I was 19 years old and still have it.
All this dudes indicators are on a 66, not a 65.
Yes, that's correct. Did you watch the video? 1965 -1966 differences were clearly pointed out.
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GJ trying to make a ill equipped GT worth more than a Fastback that is much better equipped. You know they made so many GTs which was only a cosmetic difference.
This is an old comment but for the record, the GT package came with "Special Handling Package (heavy-duty suspension, 22:1 overall steering ratio)" which included a front anti-sway bar.