Value Box Fight Club - Find the best 40K box set for you!
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
- On this episode, Brad and Eric go through all the Combat Patrol and Boarding Patrol discount boxes and compare their real value to build an army, so you can make a better informed decision when starting a new Warhammer 40k army (assuming you are better than Brad and have a little bit of self control, of course.)
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00:00 Intro
00:51 Why Some Factions are Missing
02:10 Space Marines
03:48 Adepta Sororitas
06:03 Grey Knights
07:38 Adeptus Custodes
09:00 Adeptus Mechanicus
10:48 Chaos Space Marines
12:34 Chaos Daemons
13:46 Death Guard
16:43 Thousand Sons
21:54 Craftworld Aeldari
23:02 Drukhari
24:39 T’au Empire
27:06 Tyranids
28:08 Genestealer Cults
31:52 Leagues of Votann
33:45 Necrons
36:20 Orks
40:38 IMPORTANT NEWS and Outro
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Just make a t-shirt with "Rhinos are free" already
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It should have a graphic of a rhino in a rhino
I sent them a design for one.
I'd buy it as a hoodie
I'd buy it
A fun idea for a podcast video would be a “what would I put in X army’s combat patrol”
This is a great idea.
YES PLEASE
Ya, this one!
And certain groups, ie other daemons, space marines subfactions ig, maybe wyches/haemonculus groups Drukhari
Orks:
10 Boyz, 10 Gretchin, 5 Tankbustas (need new sculpts and also probably more useful in 10th), 1 Trukk, 1 Weirdboy (needs new sculpt), 1 Warboss.
That's about 440 points and would be near the 35% off at $160 that GW seems to target
It's such a shame boarding patrols are already announced to be temporary considering they're honestly a better price point to get your friends in to the game
They're all gone at least in australia. I was keen to grab the tau boarding patrol but had to settle for combat patrol
Ironically the Chaos Daemons Combat Patrol is how you're supposed to start a Khorne Daemons army in Age of Sigmar. Still good there lol.
I swear that Chaos Daemons in 40k are just being used as a front to sell people on AoS. Make the 40k book unfun and make the AoS versions look as attractive as possible. It worked on me at least.
Kinda off topic for this channel, but this Combat Patrol also gives you almost 1000 points of Khorne Daemons for Warhammer: The Old World. Two would not give you a PERFECT 2000 points army (you can and should fill up the remaining points with magic items), but it is not unreasonable either.
I really want a home brew list of “oops, all scarabs” for necrons now
It’s a shame all the boarding patrols seem to be limited runs.
They should at least last into 10th since boarding patrol is “being supported” for a while into 10th
@@Unknown-qj9sm the game mode is being supported, not the box sets
this. I was going to get the ork BP and it sold out so now I have to 3d print it
@@Ynwell_theslaaneshi the eBay ones are usually more expensive than retail price cos scalpers are dicks
Yeah, the Boarding Patrol sets were nice. Both because they're slightly cheaper - effectively the replacement for Start Collecting - and because they could include alternative sets of units from the same army. (Ex: Drukhari having Kabalites + Incubi in the Combat Patrol, and Wyches in the Boarding Patrol.)
It's a crying shame they're limited time buys.
Boarding Patrol boxes were explicitly "one and done" releases. So some of the lesser ones are, at the time of writing, still available at or below MSRP, but most of the really good ones are already gone unless you pay eBay prices (which makes no sense, since they're no longer much of a discount if you do).
For the tau box it does still make sense for farsight, not that it's like you'll be able to afford those prices
The sad thing is Imperial Knights had an AMAZING box set at christmas: "Chainbreaker Lance". One Knight Questoris, and two pairs of Armigers
A Questoris is usually £100
A pair of armigers is £50
The box set was £130.
It's an AMAZING box, cannot recommend enough if it gets redone next christmas
I mean yeah, most of the battleforces were a huge deal if you either wanted to start, or didn’t have the character with it
If you could lay a hand on them.
Would have been awesome for us down here in Aus... IF the country had been allocated more than like 3 : )
I see this floating around eBay sometimes and wonder how much of a deal it still is at eBay prices 🤔
Tyranids being the greatest cosmic threat in all of 40k.
Eric: I think the Termagants are kinda cute.
Love the exasperation for tzangors everytime they are mentioned
When you guys cite the msrp, I always forget that combat patrols are $160😢Yeah, those space marines boxes get pretty rough at that price
Amazon always discounts them to 120 ish tho
My local games store ordered me the Sister's boarding patrol instead of the combat patrol on accident. Didn't even know the boarding patrol existed at that point. Saw the box and what it had, loved it, had him order me the combat patrol and got both. Best mistake of all time.
Sorry you guys delayed this video to come out for Boarding Patrols, when there has been every indication they are a limited run and will not be making more of them.
The Farsight one especially got me, cause yall were like "get the farsight one" like anyone could! And not like scalpers bought them all the moment they were released.
In Munich they brought just 2 boxes of Tau Boarding Patrol to official store when they went on sale
Aren't they getting re-released in 10th?
@@commandercostas I hadnt heard anything about that, i do know boarding patrol is being supported to some extend? But listbuilding isn't based on the boxes the same way that Combat Patrols Boxes will apparently get their own gamemode
Yep. The scalpers went straight after the really good ones
I like the pairing of the thousand sons combat and boarding patrol, it gives you a good mix of what they offer, pick up a box of sorcerers and Ahriman after that and you're sorted for a good army
for those wondering the Boarding Patrol boxes ARE limited time. Once they are gone they are gone. Combat Patrol boxes are the ones they say will not be changing in the future and with them basically saying that Boarding Patrol will be supported for a while into 10th edition yeah those boxes aint long for this world.
which is a shame because some of them seem pretty subpar like the tau one (ghostkeel instead of crisis suits really GW?)
@@420alphaomega the ghost keel is fine, not the best option but its expected when crisis suits are the cheapest units per point in TAU (80 USD for 3X45 with 0 guns, its usually 240+ for the full unit not including drones). It could have been way worse lets be honest.
As someone who bought a box of Termagants and Hormagaunts like 15 years ago for like £20 and hasn't painted them, looking at casually putting together a cool Tyranid army mainly for set dressing now is terrifying in price
another great video! Love the edits and pacing. I actually WATCH the video instead of just listening like most podcasts! Keep up the great work, gents!
The genestealers combat patrol is such good value its actually insane. Like that box makes building genestealers on the cheaper side compared to some other armies
Your episodes focused on the approach to the hobby are excellent, and the 2 of you have a fantastic chemistry! Thank you for the entertainment!
The great thing about the sister's boarding patrol box is it does come with the non monopose Sister squad with more options for bits.
I need "Rhinos are free" on a t-shirt
I really like this idea, it's nice to have a breakdown of what's the best budget option.
Unfortunately (Edit: Boarding Patrols) are a limited thing from what I recall :(
I do think it's a shame and they should re-print them just due to popularity alone.
it's the boarding patrols which are a limited thing which is dumb as hell since some boarding patrols are just better than the combat patrols
Dang, the algorithm is loving you guys. Just watched a 6 day old Eons of Battle vids and it auto played in to a 1 year old podcast of yours.
The World Eater combat patrol is actually good when you realize that Berzerkers as a unit fulfill multiple roles.
It’s a great starting point
Shame it's been 12 weeks and it still hasn't come out for preorder
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I have been waiting to buy the combat patrol for 4 months to start the army, but I guess GW doesn't want money.
First video I've watched from you two. Both of you were amazing and keep up the content!
Funny thing about chaos spawn proxy.
Recently bought a board game, can't recall the name but it's western themed where you and other players delve into a mine and there are eldritch horrors and monsters you fight along the way.
In the box are these models that are eldritch abominations that are perfect for Chaos Spawn Proxy as long as you can give them 50mm bases instead of 35. Which I'm definitely going to paint as emperors children and it was perfect timing because I just needed to find a way to dump 75pts into my list.
The board game was like 110$ or something? But it has six of those abominations in it so it's technically a huge deal.
Ahhh yes, isn't it great when a company overcharges so much that buying board games with tons of stuff in them for a single part of them is still a better deal then buying that one GW product
I’m actually tempted to start a small custodies force. Sorta wish I’d bought the xmas box.
I think if the boarding patrol had Wardens and was £10 more expensive, it’d be perfect
The Monopose Sisters in the Combat patrol are also nice for making lots of sisters look visually distinct. allthough the models in the box are single pose, theyre in different poses from the almost monopose models in the regular sisters kit. if you want to run 30+ sisters like I do, having some visual variety is nice. otherwise youd see the same poses crop up 3 or more times
I know that this is very much "broad advice" episode, but man, I unironically love every model in the Necron Combat Patrol. Tomb Blades are my new find in my Necron collection that I like, and unless I am forced not to, I will always take at least 10 Tesla Immortals in any list. I think that getting two of the Combat Patrols with Mephrit is actually a pretty insane list, and maybe setting up 10-20 immortals and making Deathmarks once you get tired of Immortals is the way to go. Kitbashing a couple Overlords is what I ended up doing, making both a Scythe+Orb and Staff of Light+Orb variant that I can throw on my CCB. Only issue is that rules wise, both of the Scythe versions are not good, but with 10th on the way, and the Doom Scythe being pretty good in a Mephrit list, I think that can be overlooked for now. Again, if you are a Canoptek/Destroyer enjoyer, the Patrol is just an insta pass, but I think that saying it's a bad box isn't entirely true.
Quick note for the two Tau boxes :
Convert the Ethereal into a Cadre Fireblade with the fire warrior spare parts
I would love to see this done again once 10E drops and see how much changes.
More great editing. Well done editor.
I’m just glad I managed to pick up an old CSM start collecting from my local store before they replaced it.
Great video! Very helpful
Love stuff like this. Helps me out so much. Finally getting in / back into the game. Looking at my old stuff, figuring out what I have and what I need yet. Or to help start fresh if I chose to say F it I'm starting over.
You two are great. Keep it up. I love Thousand Sons and getting into Adeptus Custodes, I think I will get the combat patrol.
love the channel dudes! Would love to see videos like this but you guys making your own combat patrols/boarding patrols for both 40k and horus heresy
Thank you for another great analysis video!
Start collecting boxes that can't even be played legally really make me question if I'm getting into the right hobby here.
For space marines what i did is back in the day bought the Recruit Edition and now i picked up the Elite Edition before the new edition hits.
From what we saw is very unlikely we will get many duplicates beetween the old boxes and the new ones vs tyranids so taking advantage of those huge discounts the edition boxes offer was a no brainer for me.
Yay we got the burning 'positive' from Eric finally!
Great episode :)🎉
Love this episode. Appreciate the talk on value and cut through the marketing hype.
So I bought the Eldar boarding patrol, (for kill team mostly) you can take corsairs in Craftworlds armies and they aren't terrible but they don't fill obligatory slots in armies unless the army is all corsairs.
Love the videos keep it up
As someone who by now owns 6 Necron combat patrols (I love the models and they're very much playable in opr) I find it very entertaining every time you start talking about how much you hate this box. :D
I have no issue with the box but dang putting together to tomb blades the first time was so fiddly, trying to fit the heads between the body and the orb is so frustrating.
As someone who bought the drukhari combat patrol and boarding box last week. Big agree lol
Zooming in on the avatars for funny moments is a nice touch.
i like how they called the custodes not being able to run all their units in the combat patrol gamemode
Started to get into Sisters of Battle and managed to find a Boarding Patrol at a decent discount. Sad to see that the Boarding Patrols were limited runs since it looks like the Boarding Patrols were better than the combat patrols in most of the cases.
The bikes for Votann are almost an auto take, so it makes sense to me to grab one cp, with the bp, then buy two land fortresses and then more bikes and you’re good.
I'm halfway through The Infinite and the Divine at the moment - very much looking forward to the book club
My brain can only recognize a box as worth it if the box comes with a vehicle
that aberrant with the little guy next to him made me think about factions that have silly little guys.
whatever that was is the genestealer one.
imperium has cherubs.
thousand sons has brimstone horrors.
orks has grots of course.
that would be a crazy, grading every factions x.
Ripper swarms for nids
Scarabs for necrons
Nurglings for DG
Watcher in the dark for DA
Drones for Tau
This is the most valuable video to anyone like me who are just getting into warhammer
I felt like the boarding patrol for csm was pretty good. While I don’t really see myself having too much of a use for Abaddon seeing as how I collect Night Lords, it really helped getting some basic troops to buff out my army which at that point was a Maulerfiend, lord discordant, warp talons, and some terminators.
might pick up the custodes boarding, like me some golden boys but only when im done building and paint more of my main stuff
For new players thinking about playing Tyranids, please hold off until 10th edition releases.
If you want an example, I later picked up (on the 2nd run) a box of Indomitous Necrons, i.e. 20 Necron Warriors, the Dynasty Quadrilogy (Skorpekh Lord, Canoptek Reanimator, Royal Warden and Overlord) not to mention 6 scarab swarms (comes with Warriors kits), Plasmancer with 2 plasmacytes, and 3 Necron Destroyers. All of these monsters are at the very least, decent to be used competitively, they were the brand new sculpts (Necrons hadn't had many new models for years) and when I tried to sell the Necron half, nobody would take it because everybody got their hands on it.
I borderline was trying to sell/trade them at my FLGS to other people for $90 and the Necron players said "no thanks". You can still sometimes see people trying to sell what is essentially nearly 1000 points of Necrons for $90.
The same thing occurred in 8th edition with the Dark Imperium box set, however unlike with Indomitous, the box was not a limited run and ran for years. Deathguard was so overinflated that even after 9th edition was around the corner, you could find 1,200 point Death Guard armies on sale on ebay for about $150, or the Dark Imperium half for $60-80 USD (free shipping).
The upcoming box is going to replace decades old sculpts bringing new life into the hobby, new models, and you will likely receive what should be 800 points or more of Tyranids for even $100 online, making it drastically cheaper and just better value in everyway. If somebody tries to sell it to you for $150, it'll probably be including the new (although free online) 10th edition rulebook that is bound to be included.
For me, personally, Tzaangors are pretty much the coolest thousand sons units out there. Shame they suck and get forced down your throat so much. But they do look very cool
As a Tyranid player, with the release of 10th edition, my condolences are out for all Eldar players.
As someone who bought the Custodes Christmas set, and also wanted to get into Grey Knights I just bought one of each of those boxes per the recommendation here. Now my goal is to get them painted up so that I have a 1000 point army to loan a friend I want to try to get into the game when tenth drops, and we can learn both together. Hopefully he will enjoy it enough to branch into one on his own.
As an AOS Tzeentch player, i have 60 Tzaangor. they throw em in everything, but i love the models. I have been trying to make them work so much, but in Tzeentch they're just not good.
In the beasts of chaos last book they were great (you ran 30 blocks of them). but it still kinda blows that in Tzeentch they have never been great, but theyre much better in the new book than the old, but just dont work that well with the army.
I got my Sisters Combat Patrol for 97.89 from my LGS. All because it sat there for almost a year and a half. I feel like I'm at a pretty good start for collecting them.
I like taking 3 Eldar Combat Patrols and start converting 1/2 the Guardians to Dire Avengers, Convert a Unit of Shining Spears and an Autarch on Jetbike... Its a pretty Nasty list that really only needs a couple small Aspect squads and Falcons to finish rounding out, or Wraithguard if you want to be a little slower but punchier.
I really want to get into Blood Angels so I'll probably wait for the box they release with Dante. The Orks and Drukhari boxes are very tempting too.
I bought CSM Boarding Patrol. I don't play Warhammer I just paint them. Abaddon looks great, and plus it's got a lot of plastics for a very reasonable price. I do wish I got into the hobby when their Start Collecting box was still around.
I understand, for points value, the Chaos Spawn might not be great for the dollar value. But that kit is a kitbashers dream, especially if your into to weird chaos mutant stuff.
was listening back to this, and its wild how much they didn't really get the Eldar Boarding Patrol.
So yeah, as a method to build up a craftworld army, you wouldnt wanna buy multiples and being corsair themed is very slanted.
However, in Arks of Omen, because it got rid of the compulsory troops tax, people could run Corsairs as their cheap obsec with good weapons, and Boarding actions was one of the few places you could have a full corsair list because of only needing 500 points. They also included banshees, which right now every Craftworld list is running at least 1 squad of.
So the Boarding patrol is actually really nice for someone who didn't get the kill team, and canget two copies of it now in addition to a unit they already would need anyways, and then Jain Zarr on top of that.
I am way on a budget so I had to skip it, but that was the most attractive box that they came out in my eyes.
So yeah, still good video, its just funny how that one bit feels so off compared to everything else.
when it comes to the tau, I'd recommend one of each box to someone starting. To someone who wants to get into tau and is ok with kitbashing, just buy two to three of the boarding patrol-> build one farsight proper, cut the sword off the second and build it as a generic commander, the third is your choice, either trade it for an etherial or sell it or kitbash it into some other suit. Crisis are situational but they are incredibly versitile, and usually earn their points back. The ghostkeel will struggle to do so and the stealth suits might, if you play on tables with excessive cover and always shoot at chaff.
I've got two games stores, one is a dedicated wargaming store that's incredibly neche and out of the way but great prices and one right in the middle of the downtown shopping area that upcharges $10-$15 basically for location, new releases and reputation. I mostly shop at the little store but I had to go to the big one to get my leviathan box.
Great, I think I could start collecting grey knights
listening to this while painting my kroot. never have i been called out like this :(
I love the flash gitz kit
I honestly would collect T’au for Kroot and Battle Suits and Farsight. I just want them to have more Xenos in their army
Looking back on this video just a few months later as a new tau player and remembering when the tau boarding patrol sold out in less than 5 minutes and is now nearly 300 bucks everywhere. It was a sizable oof when all I had was a pathfinder team and some stealth suits.
This is not a recent issue. 40k is infamous for being scalper's feeding ground. The most obvious example is the recent Leviathan box that was sold out in literal seconds. People showed they click buy as soon as it's available, placed in their cart and when checked out it's sold out. Then later listed on Amazon or Ebay for ludicrous prices.
What's sad is GW doesn't care. Because it doesn't affect their profits; items were flying off the shelves so why do I, a business, have to care if I'm selling stuff too fast?
Honestly I envy those that has a Games Workshop retail nearby, because I don't have that luxury.
i think the ork boarding patrol is the coolest. you get snakebites, freebootas, and blood axes.
As a grey knights player i may reccomend another boarding patrol as crow if you can find a appropriate sized shield makes a wonderful kit bashed draigo or any other character you want a demon killi sword. And hate resin.
Incase anyone from the future is wondering about the World Eater combat patrol. I recommend it as a World Eater. You get lots of berserkers which allow you have lots of small squads or massive squads. A unit if jakhals which are cheap stuff to body block with or hold a home objective. The leader can be built as lord invocatus who's very powerful or a lord on juggernaut. Should you get 2? If you like hordes then you could but you'll have no elite options and personally I think two hqs on juggernauts could be too much even if one is the lord invocatus
So, I'm standing there preparing smoked corn on the cob, and hearing "if you like Khorne" about 8 times in a row made me lose it. I'm gonna play that over when my wife takes a bite.
I need about 40 more of these 'free' rhinos for my chapter sized chapter. Been buying even chaos ones off people to fix up.
Whats funny is i got the opposite, someone at my lgs bought the leviathan set for the Tyrinids and i bought the space marines off him for 100$. It was nice for me starting out in the hobby just a few months ago.
Hey man kroot are cool, as a kid my dad took me to game store and I saw the kroot and fell in love with them. It’s how I started collecting tau. Even if you don’t like the old Kroot you gotta give the new kill team box credit those new models make me hard
Rn 3d printed nyds are the place to be, we even have free models comparable or better than 10th edition yet to be released. Now for these box sets I'm thinking starting raven guard on the phobos combat patrol
The ork kommandoz were in the Killteam release, exactly those, so might be a route to get just them?
first video i watched here, you guys are cool
The combat patrol still gives you another hq in the Cadre Fireblade
The Chaos Spawn are totally legal in Boarding Patrol. You can include one Chaos Spawn Unit and the unit is 1-5 Spawn
I got druhkari and admech so i won one lost one kinda excited for these 10th edition codex's
I personally started my sisters army with the bp and I am playing bloody rose and thought that bp was amazing especially for that marking my repentia numbers go up
Guard doesn't have a boarding patrol but we still have the combat patrol. For those wondering, it's a bit meh. The two troops and command squad are a fantastic solid base that you will need for every guard army, the sentinel is nice to have if you like the model, but you need a squad of three to turn them into a proper menace on the battlefield. The field ordonnance battery is downright bad as an indirect fire option for the guard. The mortars from the heavy weapons teams are a MUCH better option, the basilisk is also better and the manticore is kind of mediocre currently but at least it looks badass. If you add up the prices, just the two troops and command squad add up to the same amount as the combat patrol, so you get a sentinel for free and 2 big cannons that will sit unpainted on your desk for 3 years till GW makes them good. Not great, not terrible, I'll rate it 3.6.
I think I am going to buy the Thousand Sons boarding patrol becuase I live on an island, and shipping costs are crazy here. I'd rather buy 1 box then 3, even if the 3 are a slightly less price.
Obviously the second stealth ork should be covered in bits to look like a terrain pics to show he’s just that good at hiding.
I have seen whole frames of Tzaangors in assorted bits sales on ebay.
You can build 3 extra Plague Marines from the Poxwalkers sprues. So the combat patrol is legal.
As someone who's starting by collecting Sisters of Battle... Ooooff.
On one hand, the boarding patrol seems solid. 3 full squads of good units.
On the other hand, the combat patrol offers a lot of variety, which is very exciting if you want to practice painting, but might not be as useful, since squads come in strange numbers (1 penitent? 2 flagellants? 4 repentias? )
Plus, with the changes to army builds coming with 10th edition I can't predict how useful everything will be anyway.
Good news! There are 3 arco flaggellants in the box :P
I think the CSM Combat Patrol is OK if you use the Havocs to Kitbash Heavy Weapons, but as 10th basically says, "You have to run it as is" then it's sort of up to playtesting now with how the Units now work. I agree that to get a great CSM starter list, One Combat Patrol + Boarding Patrol has you sorted.
As a Tau player, I was thinking of running Farsight as a commander in crisis suit.
When getting into orks, I got the Combat Patrol, then later someone in my playgroup sold me his old start collecting box, then later I preordered the Boarding Patrol. In theory, that'd have been a great start. Except I also bought like 1500 points worth of smaller boxes in between those three purchases. My wallet hates me.
Have you considered using the HH starter box for CSM or SM to make a army cheap?
Pro tip, If you play CSM in 9th and want a good value box to add to your army. Its The thousand sons boarding patrol. Flamer rubrics are arguably better in standard CSM then in their own legion.