better latency comes down to seeing images in real time with no delay, example your flying fast and you hit a tree but the image your seeing is a few seconds behind or even a fraction of a second is all it takes to not be able to turn in time.in other words the goggles image is slower than where the drone really is.
To sum it up: Control latency = Video latency + Input latency + Radio ptotocol latency + Flight controller latency + Mechanical Latency I am probably missing a few but if you wnna decrease the overall latency you need to try and reduce it where you can in the sum of those things.
its not ;like analog a lot more data sent analog very little data so its super tight where as digital the view is different then analog maybe its the box unit I focus on the very center but for some reason you can just scream on analog which I still use
I cant agree more. im running hdzero for a while now, almost converted every build to it. Now i tried walksnail with similar latency to dji and youjustfeel that laaaag dude
Chris Rosser does some testing and reports that the new hdzero system has less latency than analog. And much better picture. On his channel he also compares all the digital systems as well.
@@yaronskp like analog, might be a bit better. But you need to get used to the brake ups, then you can go further with low signal since the screen is not shifting and rolling. I got several systems on fixed wings and went behind thick cloud coverage and long range
That’s for the video. I always like to hear from others why they chose what they did. I don’t like being locked into a single eco system. For me HDZero was my choice, now that the goggles are available. I also opted for the walksnail vrx. If the walksnail doesn’t work out for me then I am not out a lot of money and I can still fly HDZero and analog. If HDZero doesn’t work for me the HDZero goggles will still make my analog look better. I. The future if any thing becomes hard to get because of shortages, I still have options to still fly.
Dji goggle pro tip Take the power plug that goes into the DJI goggle and run it up behind the goggle strap bracket and over that way if your cable ever gets tugged on or your battery falls It won't unplug and have you in the air with no video
If you 3d print, I found a great stl file on thingiverse called a ‘joke stopper’ or something like that. It’s basically a tpu piece that screws in on top of the goggle strap hook next to the power input on the V2 goggles that covers the plug so it can’t be pulled out but it’s flexible enough that you can bend it a little to pull the plug from the goggles when necessary but there’s no way in hell the plug will come out accidentally. Best mod yet for my V2s! And it takes about 20 minutes to print.
I fly dji too. I have a few hacks in my system and air unit. Gaps, and high speed flight is all i try to do now. Gonna stay, never had any problems. Hope u get it worked out!!!
I just switched to hdzero with the new goggle, is is the best option for me I can still fly analog on them and the hdzero video is nice enough for me. And I have the walksnail vrx that run at 100hz so it does it all.
I just did the same. V2 + axii antennas + vista + o3. I was afraid I'd like them but I had a unique firmware and binding issue. Fixed it, made a video, today is maiden day. You're about to put the goggles on right now, let's see how you do. I love the way you fly
The more experience with the system you have the more you'll become accustomed to the higher latency. I went back and forth between analog and digital regularly for a little over a year. I no longer am affected by the latency change.
I was the same way bro. But now 6 months into digital if I fly analog I lose alot of confidence from the low quality video. Just don't give up on it yet!
Just got DJI same as you, same experience, even in 4:3 120fps, I hope you set it to low latency mode cause 60fps high quality I can't fly hard at all, but I thought I'd be more impressed but right now I feel much less comfortable with the FPV link than analog
You would probably like the HDzero goggles. If would work with your existing analog as well using the adapter with nothing but better image quality. For anyone I feel the switch to digital like walksnail or dji is a learning curve. The limits, latency and everything isn't the same. I prefer it but I do notice a difference with my analog stuff. The clarity and penetration of my dji setup exceeded my needs over analog atleast, yet I will say in certain cases analog does keep a better signal and it usually is true for further out flying which isn't a thing I really do much, and in certain locations the dji just doesnt play well. Dji goggles, rooted with msp osd and wattage hack is what topped the cake for me. I fly low latency mode, if alone 50mb (25 with friends) focus mode off. 700-1200mw. Also don't fly 03 air unit. I at this time prefer my vista/nebula pro setup over everything else using stock polar antennas. I get good penetration and low 20 latency almost always.
Pros and cons to everything. Switching to digital made me slow down a little which smoothed out my flying and got me used to the feel. Totally different feel during adjustment period.
Thank you! I’m still analog at the moment and excited on making the switch eventually. Just trying to make the best choice on where to put my cash. Thanks for your honesty
I'm curious why you didn't mention HDZero as a digital option? I transitioned from analog to HDZero very easily, for me it was all upside (other than cost). I then bought the DJI V2 goggles and a Vista/Polar (60fps) setup and threw it on a FS quad and couldn't deal with the latency so I put that system on a LR quad. I bought a Vista/Wasp (120fps) for the FS quad and that is much better, though still not as connected as HDZero to me. Now I have seven DJI quads, most of them with the Nebula Pro cams (120fps), five HDZero quads and three that are still analog. Each suites different purposes/areas. For the area you are flying in this video, I think HDZero would work great, though you obviously wouldn't get the 03 recording/flight video quality. For control link I fly ELRS at 250hz mostly.
didn't have to check the comments long for someone to mention hdzero. no it doesn't have the pq of dji but it's stable and fast, if you fly slower and want to see all the sees, opt for dji. but if you want an analog feel with better than analog visuals. then hdzero is that money.
@@BaldmanFPV HDZero has been around for quite a while, however, they just released the dedicated goggles for it. Before that you had to use it via an HDMI VRX module with analog goggles or with the Fatshark Scout HD box goggles. Definitely worth a look IMO.
You can setup the O3 to start recording when you arm. And certainly, there's no reason not to select 500Hz for the control link, unless you're going long range.
@@BaldmanFPV "For Ghost higher Hz reduces the range." Fix that with a higher power level, and keep you update rate at 250Hz minimum. I'm flying ELRS at 250mw and 500Hz, and my control link goes beyond where the DJI video goes blocky/unflyable. Certainly don't test this over a lake, but I think you'll find you loose video before failsafing.
I've always said, the way to noice the lag is to fly a near zero late CY system first then fly a laggy one. It becomes very obvious that something isn't quite right once you do it that way. The way all the "elite" pilots test this you'll never see it. Because they are already used to the lag
HDZero is the 3rd HD option my friend you should try it. The new HDZero goggle has made a significant upgrade to the system that's definitely worth taking a look at paired with the 1 watt freestyle vtx.
Those V2 Goggles have LCD panels ..That's the most obvious mistake...The second was buying that 03 Air unit ...😳😀🇬🇧 "There's no one that flew like me"...lol... Seriously?...
Really interesting to see your experience after flying analog for so long. I’m planning on switching to digital this year also after years on analog. Now you’ve got me worried 😂
you do know that when youre recording on the 03 air unit it jumps to 40+ ms ? if you put it in low latency mode 120 fps no recording its like 20+ ms. great flying. i always love your content been following you a couple years. keep it up!
@@BaldmanFPV yeah because if I'm not mistaken the 03 air doesn't behave like the traditional Vista. When you hit record on the goggles it records to the unit not in the goggles like Vista . Alot of ppl are upset about that. Ironically Chris Rosser released a video today about the latency in the 03 air unit..
@@almacfpv74 that's not correct, on 03 you can choose to record on goggles or on air unit. Some modes will cause additional latency, stick to 2.7/120 or 1080/120, both have the lowest latency for this system
@@Fly_High_FPV I didn't know there was an option to record on the goggles or air unit. The info I got was when you record on the air unit it increases the latency . And after switching to 120 fps from 60 fps dji on the vista and seeing the connect and improvement in my flying experience I'll never go back to anything more than 30ms latency. In fact that what scared me away from 03
@al Mac fpv several of the recording modes DO increase latency, by changing the frame rate that's sent to the goggles, and i avoid those modes and only use the low latency modes, and only use 4:3. Stick to 1080/120 or 2.7k/120 on V2 goggles and 1080/100 or 2.7k/100 on the G2 Goggles and you can record and still get the lowest latency out of the system around 25-29ms 👌 the other modes are for long rangers or someone not freestyling
at least for me my brain pretty much rewired itself to compensate for the latency, i fly crsf how it comes and i have high rates. did you do the wtfos root on your goggles before jumping on the firmware for the 03?
Love your style, man. Swapping your Tx settings _back_ to see if that made a difference. It's what I do, too. That's s-m-r-t. I say that to myself all the time. And your stick talent's thru the roof. Keep ownin' it, Dude.
We have a very similar style, that’s why I love your stuff so much, it gives me great ideas and inspiration. I’ll tell you my journey as it may be of use to you… I still run analog, happily, picture quality is pretty irrelevant for me, I just want to be able to do what I want. If flight feel is worse than analog I’m gonna skip it, if better I will love it… Currently I am on the fastest digital link, by far, faster than analog, HDZero with the Runcam90. And also on ELRS 500. It is AMAZING! Flying is telepathic and I don’t have to think about dealing with delay, and have infinite confidence. This is how I got to that conclusion… I was on O3 /w the Goggle 2 (I tried with the V2 goggles but it was literally unflyable for me) for a month, I forced myself even though it was uncomfortable, because I wanted it to be my new system, I got it for the same reasons as you, but I couldn’t make it work and just sold it, at a profit funny enough, the guy just gave me more than I asked and wouldn’t budge. Tip for you: you really need to have a medium softness TPU holding the camera. O3 is really sensitive from that point of view and it really needs camera mount tuning. I played with this for weeks, but when you get it, it is really smooth, and looks amazing! After I sold O3+G2, I tried Avatar (coincidentally and accidentally, I wasn’t planning on it, bought the VTX+VRX combo and couldn’t be happier). The consistent latency on Avatar is on a whole other level in comparison. I enjoy it WAY more, it is actually fun to fly and it doesn’t give me grief and hold me back. It takes less than 5 seconds for my brain to adapt, as I am taking off and that’s it!!! The latency is stable. On the other system I just couldn’t adapt, no matter how long I flew, because the latency is always changing. It’s just recently I started getting off analog, I didn’t switch earlier because I tried digital prior and couldn’t fly it like I want, so just stuck with analog. With the fast HDZero goggle everything is amazing. And I can fly without being limited. It actually helps!!! My sister was with me the other day and was shocked how much better I fly all of a sudden, and after she pointed it out, I realized it was because I got my confidence back after selling the previous stuff I was struggling with. Why would I want to hinder myself, if the link isn’t better than analog, I’m not going to keep flying it!?? I do still fly analog, as I just started switching everything over to HDZero and Avatar, mostly HDZero with the Runcam90. I am so happy that I found this! Good luck in your digital journey!!!! And remember, people adapt to latent links and still fly well, I personally am not going to do it, I tried, I couldn’t, but it is doable… I see people doing it. I dunno. If you really want to fly O3, stick with it. Maybe I’m just dumb and can’t adapt (or too smart and can’t adapt), maybe everyone else is lying to themselves. :p or maybe it doesn’t bother them? I dunno. Happy flying! That’s the most important!
I've heard there's image stabilisation in the O3 camera and that some quads/mounts/etc make it make the image worse not better (that oscillation). So disabling that stabilisation will probably help.
@@adamdude The O3 system was obviously optimized for the Goggle 2, that’s what it looked like… mind you this was several updates ago, I don’t know what has changed since. But… the V2 was very dark compared to the Goggle 2, I was able to fly in the dark with the Goggle 2, the V2 no matter how they were adjusted I just couldn’t see as well, it’s not even close, it is a night and day difference. Try both and tell me your opinion, and if it is still like this.
The clear video doesn't even come close to outweighing the latency issue imo. That's the only thing stoppin me from makin the switch. Well, that and I can't afford to 🤣 Analog is still the way to go for me 👍
I have never flown digital. I see and understand the "L" word issues - I'm putting my money on HDZero. It's only going to get better in time.... AND I can still use my analog stuff, AND add a Walksnail module (which will also get better in time).....
Yeah bro, I felt the same when testing the O3 system in one of my quads. Still not as locked in or comfortable as with analog! If you ever decide to go back to analog, I will be there waiting for you hahahah. And walksnail has crazy latency when I tested it. Unflyable for me! With the O3 I felt comfortable after a few days, but still no analog magic hehe
When I made the choice to jump into fpv I decided to go with DJI and Tracer for that quality video signal and a faster control link. Having always flown DJI I feel like my brain has been trained to not feel affected by the latency. I think the break up of analog is difficult to fly with and then I see pilots just fly through that no problem. When DJI starts to have the variable latency I know that is me reaching my limits of my video signal. I suppose that's my version of "break-up" but it's still fly throughable since I'm used to it. I have found that my signal with DJI has consistently allowed me to fly further and through more objects than I've seen analog pilots able to do. Having such a high resolution allows me to actually see details and small objects sooner. There are lots of pilots ripping hard in urban environment on DJI. I do think there is truth to the more "interpolation" that you do naturally as you fly digital more and more. You anticipate rather than react and I think that even shapes your style. Love your content and your skills, bro. 🔥 Goggles 2 do 120fps now, btw. It rips hard af.
The 120fps on the Goggles 2 is only at a 60hz rate due to limitations of the OLED. You need to be at 100fps on the Goggles 2 to be in low latency mode.
@@BaldmanFPV mads tech did a piece about the confusion on the Goggles 2 latency modes and what settings you need to be in for the lowest latency about a week or two ago after Steele did a video about selling his because of issues like you’re having. I’d check it out. 120 fps on the goggles 2 is only low latency on the v2 goggled. You need to be at 2.7k 100 fps for the lowest latency on those goggles 2 or it really messes with the latency.
@@BaldmanFPV oh do you mean the v2 goggles? DJI could have done a better job with the names on that stuff lol. Yeah on the v2 goggles 120fps is where we want to be for the best latency. Those are what I got too. Those Goggles 2 don’t fit my face. I tried them at bestbuy the other day. It was painful
Oh man.. before complaining on normal packate rate, have you done correction in bf configuration? I don't think so, you're not showing... Technically speaking that's the issue. There are presets for different packet rates. Check out that fist before "crying" ;)
Get in the World of ExpressLRS with 500Hz it plays amazing with DJI and makes it feel over all way less latend. I run the cheap Happymodel ES24TX from beginning at 100mW fix, use a Rx with Antenna like the Happymodel EP1 or a Diversity with two Antenna is more than enough to outrange DJI Video. Anyway if you fly a bit at 250Hz and switch later to ELRS 500Hz it feels like you reduced Latency a lot.
Man sounds like that latency is a big trade off for you. Have you tried analog again yet now with the faster RC link setting? Probably feel like Superman. I got the HDZero goggles and am going to try out the walksnail VRX on them. Curious to see how the latency and jittery will feel with walksnail since I’m so used to locked in low latency. Enjoyed the video man!
I found it very hard to fly with DJI at a system with like 50hz, too much latency for me. Give ELRS a go for your RC link and set it to 500hz packet rate mode, be interested to know what you think as it made a world of a difference to me and my confidence.
I'm glad to hear someone else talking about this. This was my impression when I got O3 too. I'm not sure exactly why this helps since I would assume the frame rate is the base shutter speed, but if I set it to manual, it feels a lot better (could also be me getting used to the system, but it felt like a discrete change, so idk). So manual shutter speed, color to cinelike for better dynamic range, and iso limit cranked all the way, but actual iso still on auto. The raising of the iso limit also gives it immensely better low light performance than it ships with
Shutter speed does help a little as it affects timing, and the system can get as much help as it can. Especially in variable lighting conditions. You are not imagining this, I found this also.
I so appreciate it too. I knew it just couldn't be as perfect as everybody was trying to make it out to be. I knew there was just something, that somebody(most-everybody) wasn't really saying, that I was going to end up feeling or whatever. After I had, potentially, got done spending all that damn money. Then I really would've felt a certain type of way then. Good looking out.
I've heard from another person that he had problems with the DJI O3 system's latency. Said that even Walksnail was better. But HDZero is the best option as far as latency on a digital system.
well, I see everyone else saying you should try out HDZero so I won't jump in the bandwagon lol Thanks for the information I've been thinking about going to DJI and all i know is analog and simulators. I'm now thinking i'll have a similar problem
I’m in the same place as you. I’m 3+ years on 600x400 analog goggles. Got the walksnail vrx kit. I’ve only had a couple of packs on it just doesn’t feel right at all to me. I thought maybe the extra detail will make up for the bit of extra latency but I’m not convinced... probably gonna stick it on a long range rig
when i read the title of this video, i assumed you went HDZero, due to the latency. Plus they can take Walksnail VRX input if you wanna try that down the road Plus their goggles also happen to be the best analog goggles available
Great video, the info is right on point with my initial experiences of digital in general. Took a week or so to get adjusted from analog. Definitely Changed the way I fly, had to start thinking ahead a little more. Hope you enjoy the system more as you fly it, Cheers!
I you stand closer to the drone when doing proxy less lag actually faster than some analog. a lower latency link helps I swear I can feel xfire switching between 50hz and 150hz but when locked to 150 fail safes happened
Very good info here! I relate to your flying style and moving to digital was hard! I feel like my brain is working overtime predicting the moves and it makes me exhausted. I’m using walksnail tho but not in the lowest latency mode. I think you’ll definitely have a better experience with walksnail in the high fps mode cause the DJI O3 has more latency even tho the picture is better. I find walksnail 60fps to feel very smooth comparing to older DJI where it had that flip book look u mentioned. I also think HDZero would be perfect for your style. If you are gonna go back to analog u should just stick with HD Zero, I’ve been using it and I feel no difference from analog latency wise. I went to walksnail cause I want to experience more definition for my cruising flights. Ultimately the hd zero goggles and a walksnail vrx would give you the best of all worlds and that’s what I’m planning to get. You can get 100fps from the vrx on those goggles which makes good latency for walksnail
great video i had the complete opposite for me i fly hdo FS for 2 years then went to dji when it came out and instantly got better because i could see better im still flying the v1 set up
Great insight. I agree with all of your points and can confirm that moving from analog to digital hasn't been without its tradeoffs. I still feel more connected to my aircraft when I run analog without a doubt. Your suggestion of adjusting the radio link speed may help me. Never thought of that so thank you.
Before you try Walksnail, grab a Vista with a Nebula Pro (I also like the Polar for night flights but it is 16:9). That gets all the O3 camera complexity out of the mix and while I like the O3, I think it is better suited for Cinewhoops and long range flying.
The good news with the V2 goggles is you can use both the vistas and the O3 without updating the firmware on the vista like you do with the Goggles 2. I fly the V2s and had an opportunity to put a pair of the new Goggles 2 the other day at BestBuy. V2 is where it’s at, brother.
@@BaldmanFPV ahh copy that im a very casual flyer and more for comercial type shooting i dont find myself in turtle mode much lol my flying is boring love your channel tho man great info thanks
I have the V2s and still run vista's. Im waiting to swtich to the 03 right now. The latency is consistent on the vista's and the performance is great. I'm not at your skill level or even close but just some things I wanted to share from what I've heard. Running the 03 at 2.7k 100fps or 120fps camera settings gives the best performance for the pilot over best camera quality settings. So your footage won't be it's best but the performance behind the sticks is the best. Also the 03 camera is jittery and people are having to soft mount it to get rid of it. Frames that are smooth with the vista/nebula set up run smooth but with the 03 gets jitters. Something to do with the gyro inside the camera itself. Like I said I'm not on your level just wanted to share some stuff. Personally the vista/nebula pro still seems like the better option for performance of flight. Thank you for sharing your experience. I've been gathering as much data as I can about the 03. I'm looking to put one in my QAV-S 4 inch dead cat for long range but I'm still questioning if it's worth it. Also been eyeballing ghost over my ELRS. So this video is super helpful for me. Thank you
Wow yes after watching bardwell's video no wonder you can feel the latency, got me worried as I've got module coming and I have pretty quick rates and like to do some avoidance maneuvers quote often... We'll see maybe I'll just have to keep digital to the cinewhoop and cinematic shots.
@@SlattFpv yeah the nice flow stuff probably wouldn't be a problem, it's more the close unknown proxy stuff, yes I'm a believer that some can feel(or are bothered by)latency more than others, playing midi keyboard anything over 5ms is very annoying for some..., For me 5ms is just acceptable.
@@ugpfpv361 all i fly is close unknown proxy.. and I’m sure I fly faster then you in those environments. I’m not saying this to say I’m better I’m just saying it doesn’t matter as much as people paint it. You might be able to feel something different but if you can’t adapt after a handful of packs it’s because you don’t want to
@@SlattFpv faster than me, haha... sure, anyway, I'm just saying people have to decide or feel for themselves. I'm not going to tell people what they feel
im amazed by your drone skill .. i just started with fpv. Still running sims but it's so hard .. im scared il never be able to fly 50 procent of what u do
Great video and awesome skills on display! Seriously there are so many great pilots here on YT and me, I can hardly get the thing off the ground!!! But the discussion you had about the digital and how the latency was making you feel disconnected, overshooting, etc... that is really helpful to us because you clearly have some pro level skills there and lots of experience so thanks for sharing! I am happy that you noted that you aren't as disappointed as you were at first and that you could possibly deal with it - makes me wonder how much this could be making it harder for me to learn to fly! I do have a couple analog quads and the attachment to put analog onto the DJI goggles V2 so I will check that out to see if I feel any difference. I got to say, I was kind of like you, the price drop on the goggles made them very attractive but in the end... I think I would have been happier if I bought into the HD Zero system!!! Cheers!
In my opinion, when switching from analogue to digital, there is a tendency to always pay attention to latency and errors and this obsession does not let it flow and they are always looking for the error when they are flying. The ideal is not to think about anything and fly, the brain will adapt, not think too much ;)
Thanks for being honest. I still fly analog and never believed the hype, even though it was coming from top fpv influencers. Latency is a big deal to my flying style. I will keep an eye out for HD Zero improvements because the seems like the logical move from analog to digital.
Surprised you went with 03 rather than hdzero since latency is a big thing for you. I've been absolutely loving HD zero lately it's pretty amazing. Can't wait to try it in a 5 inch
You've gone from a >25ms control link latency to well below 10ms by switching from 50Hz to 333Hz packet rate. That is roughly the same as the latency difference between a high end analogue video setup and DJI.
@@BaldmanFPV I didn’t notice until I put the stock ones back on. I was like ohh, that’s what was screwing with my reaction time. It was real obvious lol
I’ve been flying DJI V2 since I started fpv. I was sad to hear that the 03 actually has significantly more latency than what we’ve been running. I’m now looking into HDzero which has the lowest latency
Great insights about the 03 system. I too switched to O3 bit from Vista. I only fly low latency mode and the O3 at 1080 120Hz seems to behave like Vista in high quality mode. It's like the screen is lagging behind the quad. The screen quality is very high and the entire screen is in focus compared to vista low latency. I can literally fly behind an entire building and the system is able to keep up. Hard to do maneuvers that I could easily do with vista low-latency mode. I subscribed to your channel. I like your flying style and look forward to see how you adapt and tune to get best out of the O3.
Mustang and an Olive Green backpack.,.... What MOS where you lol Also; I switched to Walksnail with the Fatshark Dominator HDO3 goggles hence my name... Baldman FPV was already taken. I kinda like the system now, only trhing is I needed to fck around with the foam to have the goggle sit well, but now its great. Latest firmware sure as hell improved a lot overall. BUT I still feel a bit 'detached" from the quad. I fly ELRS and gonna try fiddling with the tx settings/packet rates, might help now you tried it with GHOST and noticing that difference, never tought off that! I was sure it was the switch from analog to digital and the screens being further away from my eyeballs. Didn't really feel latency, pretty sure it's the control link now, after seeing this video.
I'm confused on how the faster rfsignal equals to better latency on your video. I'm lost
See later, respond faster, respond faster, see input faster in the goggle.
better latency comes down to seeing images in real time with no delay, example your flying fast and you hit a tree but the image your seeing is a few seconds behind or even a fraction of a second is all it takes to not be able to turn in time.in other words the goggles image is slower than where the drone really is.
To sum it up:
Control latency = Video latency + Input latency + Radio ptotocol latency + Flight controller latency + Mechanical Latency
I am probably missing a few but if you wnna decrease the overall latency you need to try and reduce it where you can in the sum of those things.
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its not ;like analog a lot more data sent analog very little data so its super tight where as digital the view is different then analog maybe its the box unit I focus on the very center but for some reason you can just scream on analog which I still use
Good sir, the new HD-zero goggles just came out. If latency is your concern then you can't do better.
I cant agree more. im running hdzero for a while now, almost converted every build to it. Now i tried walksnail with similar latency to dji and youjustfeel that laaaag dude
Chris Rosser does some testing and reports that the new hdzero system has less latency than analog. And much better picture. On his channel he also compares all the digital systems as well.
How is the range with the hd zero?
@@yaronskp like analog, might be a bit better. But you need to get used to the brake ups, then you can go further with low signal since the screen is not shifting and rolling. I got several systems on fixed wings and went behind thick cloud coverage and long range
@@yaronskp quite good. depends on your setup, though. good antennas make a big difference.
If you are willing to wait a little HDZERO seams like the perfect system for you
That’s for the video. I always like to hear from others why they chose what they did. I don’t like being locked into a single eco system. For me HDZero was my choice, now that the goggles are available. I also opted for the walksnail vrx. If the walksnail doesn’t work out for me then I am not out a lot of money and I can still fly HDZero and analog. If HDZero doesn’t work for me the HDZero goggles will still make my analog look better. I. The future if any thing becomes hard to get because of shortages, I still have options to still fly.
Dji goggle pro tip
Take the power plug that goes into the DJI goggle and run it up behind the goggle strap bracket and over that way if your cable ever gets tugged on or your battery falls It won't unplug and have you in the air with no video
If you 3d print, I found a great stl file on thingiverse called a ‘joke stopper’ or something like that. It’s basically a tpu piece that screws in on top of the goggle strap hook next to the power input on the V2 goggles that covers the plug so it can’t be pulled out but it’s flexible enough that you can bend it a little to pull the plug from the goggles when necessary but there’s no way in hell the plug will come out accidentally. Best mod yet for my V2s! And it takes about 20 minutes to print.
I fly dji too. I have a few hacks in my system and air unit. Gaps, and high speed flight is all i try to do now. Gonna stay, never had any problems. Hope u get it worked out!!!
dude youll never be alone with analog!😏
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@@BaldmanFPV ya man I'll be here for you when you come back🤣.....I think😁
2.7/120 is what does it for me! Much better! Oh and 4/3 mode
You Need HDZERO and call it a day
I just switched to hdzero with the new goggle, is is the best option for me I can still fly analog on them and the hdzero video is nice enough for me. And I have the walksnail vrx that run at 100hz so it does it all.
I just did the same. V2 + axii antennas + vista + o3. I was afraid I'd like them but I had a unique firmware and binding issue. Fixed it, made a video, today is maiden day. You're about to put the goggles on right now, let's see how you do. I love the way you fly
TY!
Oh jeeze either way your flying skills make it look easy. Really enjoyed it.
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The more experience with the system you have the more you'll become accustomed to the higher latency. I went back and forth between analog and digital regularly for a little over a year. I no longer am affected by the latency change.
I was the same way bro. But now 6 months into digital if I fly analog I lose alot of confidence from the low quality video. Just don't give up on it yet!
Just got DJI same as you, same experience, even in 4:3 120fps, I hope you set it to low latency mode cause 60fps high quality I can't fly hard at all, but I thought I'd be more impressed but right now I feel much less comfortable with the FPV link than analog
You would probably like the HDzero goggles. If would work with your existing analog as well using the adapter with nothing but better image quality. For anyone I feel the switch to digital like walksnail or dji is a learning curve. The limits, latency and everything isn't the same. I prefer it but I do notice a difference with my analog stuff. The clarity and penetration of my dji setup exceeded my needs over analog atleast, yet I will say in certain cases analog does keep a better signal and it usually is true for further out flying which isn't a thing I really do much, and in certain locations the dji just doesnt play well. Dji goggles, rooted with msp osd and wattage hack is what topped the cake for me. I fly low latency mode, if alone 50mb (25 with friends) focus mode off. 700-1200mw. Also don't fly 03 air unit. I at this time prefer my vista/nebula pro setup over everything else using stock polar antennas. I get good penetration and low 20 latency almost always.
Fake. If your reading this don't reach out.
Great video, lotta good points.
Thanks Bot. We'll figure it out!
Pros and cons to everything. Switching to digital made me slow down a little which smoothed out my flying and got me used to the feel. Totally different feel during adjustment period.
Wow popular consensus 🤔
Thank you! I’m still analog at the moment and excited on making the switch eventually. Just trying to make the best choice on where to put my cash. Thanks for your honesty
No prob, Glad I could help!
Great review bro keep up the great work. Luv the freestyle 😎👌🏽
I'm curious why you didn't mention HDZero as a digital option? I transitioned from analog to HDZero very easily, for me it was all upside (other than cost). I then bought the DJI V2 goggles and a Vista/Polar (60fps) setup and threw it on a FS quad and couldn't deal with the latency so I put that system on a LR quad.
I bought a Vista/Wasp (120fps) for the FS quad and that is much better, though still not as connected as HDZero to me. Now I have seven DJI quads, most of them with the Nebula Pro cams (120fps), five HDZero quads and three that are still analog. Each suites different purposes/areas.
For the area you are flying in this video, I think HDZero would work great, though you obviously wouldn't get the 03 recording/flight video quality. For control link I fly ELRS at 250hz mostly.
didn't have to check the comments long for someone to mention hdzero. no it doesn't have the pq of dji but it's stable and fast, if you fly slower and want to see all the sees, opt for dji. but if you want an analog feel with better than analog visuals. then hdzero is that money.
HD Zero is just becoming available it seems? I didn't follow it much but will look into it.
@@BaldmanFPV HDZero has been around for quite a while, however, they just released the dedicated goggles for it. Before that you had to use it via an HDMI VRX module with analog goggles or with the Fatshark Scout HD box goggles. Definitely worth a look IMO.
You can setup the O3 to start recording when you arm. And certainly, there's no reason not to select 500Hz for the control link, unless you're going long range.
Yeah that's what messed me up. It's not 100% reliable either lol. For Ghost higher Hz reduces the range.
@@BaldmanFPV "For Ghost higher Hz reduces the range."
Fix that with a higher power level, and keep you update rate at 250Hz minimum. I'm flying ELRS at 250mw and 500Hz, and my control link goes beyond where the DJI video goes blocky/unflyable. Certainly don't test this over a lake, but I think you'll find you loose video before failsafing.
I've always said, the way to noice the lag is to fly a near zero late CY system first then fly a laggy one. It becomes very obvious that something isn't quite right once you do it that way. The way all the "elite" pilots test this you'll never see it. Because they are already used to the lag
I have the old DJI V2 Goggles and a Caddx Vista - I love it! Im not flying at your level - I'm mostly just cruising. Keep up the great vids!
Will do!
HDZero is the 3rd HD option my friend you should try it. The new HDZero goggle has made a significant upgrade to the system that's definitely worth taking a look at paired with the 1 watt freestyle vtx.
Yes I see🤔
@@BaldmanFPV And it will run Analog, Walksnail with the VRX and of course HDZ
Your a real good pilot my man! Glad your enjoying your first digital system and you couldn't of chosen a better system! Cheers bro!
Those V2 Goggles have LCD panels ..That's the most obvious mistake...The second was buying that 03 Air unit ...😳😀🇬🇧
"There's no one that flew like me"...lol... Seriously?...
I think I will give it a try, everyone says it lol.
Really interesting to see your experience after flying analog for so long. I’m planning on switching to digital this year also after years on analog. Now you’ve got me worried 😂
Ha, it's noticeable for sure.
you do know that when youre recording on the 03 air unit it jumps to 40+ ms ? if you put it in low latency mode 120 fps no recording its like 20+ ms. great flying. i always love your content been following you a couple years. keep it up!
Yes, Will have to try no recording!
@@BaldmanFPV yeah because if I'm not mistaken the 03 air doesn't behave like the traditional Vista. When you hit record on the goggles it records to the unit not in the goggles like Vista . Alot of ppl are upset about that. Ironically Chris Rosser released a video today about the latency in the 03 air unit..
@@almacfpv74 that's not correct, on 03 you can choose to record on goggles or on air unit. Some modes will cause additional latency, stick to 2.7/120 or 1080/120, both have the lowest latency for this system
@@Fly_High_FPV I didn't know there was an option to record on the goggles or air unit. The info I got was when you record on the air unit it increases the latency . And after switching to 120 fps from 60 fps dji on the vista and seeing the connect and improvement in my flying experience I'll never go back to anything more than 30ms latency. In fact that what scared me away from 03
@al Mac fpv several of the recording modes DO increase latency, by changing the frame rate that's sent to the goggles, and i avoid those modes and only use the low latency modes, and only use 4:3. Stick to 1080/120 or 2.7k/120 on V2 goggles and 1080/100 or 2.7k/100 on the G2 Goggles and you can record and still get the lowest latency out of the system around 25-29ms 👌 the other modes are for long rangers or someone not freestyling
yes the latency is real for me i am Analog 1000% unless i get try new Hdzero …hey is that a cl1 racing board or a old DYS fc aio
at least for me my brain pretty much rewired itself to compensate for the latency, i fly crsf how it comes and i have high rates. did you do the wtfos root on your goggles before jumping on the firmware for the 03?
I did!
Love your style, man. Swapping your Tx settings _back_ to see if that made a difference. It's what I do, too. That's s-m-r-t. I say that to myself all the time. And your stick talent's thru the roof. Keep ownin' it, Dude.
TY!
i felt the same way at first now when i try to go back to my old drones i just can not do it i love the video lol
love your content by the way keep it up.
We have a very similar style, that’s why I love your stuff so much, it gives me great ideas and inspiration. I’ll tell you my journey as it may be of use to you…
I still run analog, happily, picture quality is pretty irrelevant for me, I just want to be able to do what I want. If flight feel is worse than analog I’m gonna skip it, if better I will love it…
Currently I am on the fastest digital link, by far, faster than analog, HDZero with the Runcam90. And also on ELRS 500. It is AMAZING! Flying is telepathic and I don’t have to think about dealing with delay, and have infinite confidence. This is how I got to that conclusion…
I was on O3 /w the Goggle 2 (I tried with the V2 goggles but it was literally unflyable for me) for a month, I forced myself even though it was uncomfortable, because I wanted it to be my new system, I got it for the same reasons as you, but I couldn’t make it work and just sold it, at a profit funny enough, the guy just gave me more than I asked and wouldn’t budge. Tip for you: you really need to have a medium softness TPU holding the camera. O3 is really sensitive from that point of view and it really needs camera mount tuning. I played with this for weeks, but when you get it, it is really smooth, and looks amazing!
After I sold O3+G2, I tried Avatar (coincidentally and accidentally, I wasn’t planning on it, bought the VTX+VRX combo and couldn’t be happier). The consistent latency on Avatar is on a whole other level in comparison. I enjoy it WAY more, it is actually fun to fly and it doesn’t give me grief and hold me back. It takes less than 5 seconds for my brain to adapt, as I am taking off and that’s it!!! The latency is stable. On the other system I just couldn’t adapt, no matter how long I flew, because the latency is always changing.
It’s just recently I started getting off analog, I didn’t switch earlier because I tried digital prior and couldn’t fly it like I want, so just stuck with analog. With the fast HDZero goggle everything is amazing. And I can fly without being limited. It actually helps!!! My sister was with me the other day and was shocked how much better I fly all of a sudden, and after she pointed it out, I realized it was because I got my confidence back after selling the previous stuff I was struggling with.
Why would I want to hinder myself, if the link isn’t better than analog, I’m not going to keep flying it!?? I do still fly analog, as I just started switching everything over to HDZero and Avatar, mostly HDZero with the Runcam90. I am so happy that I found this!
Good luck in your digital journey!!!! And remember, people adapt to latent links and still fly well, I personally am not going to do it, I tried, I couldn’t, but it is doable… I see people doing it. I dunno. If you really want to fly O3, stick with it. Maybe I’m just dumb and can’t adapt (or too smart and can’t adapt), maybe everyone else is lying to themselves. :p or maybe it doesn’t bother them? I dunno.
Happy flying! That’s the most important!
I've heard there's image stabilisation in the O3 camera and that some quads/mounts/etc make it make the image worse not better (that oscillation). So disabling that stabilisation will probably help.
Why was the v2 goggle unflyable?
@@adamdude
The O3 system was obviously optimized for the Goggle 2, that’s what it looked like…
mind you this was several updates ago, I don’t know what has changed since.
But… the V2 was very dark compared to the Goggle 2, I was able to fly in the dark with the Goggle 2, the V2 no matter how they were adjusted I just couldn’t see as well, it’s not even close, it is a night and day difference.
Try both and tell me your opinion, and if it is still like this.
The clear video doesn't even come close to outweighing the latency issue imo. That's the only thing stoppin me from makin the switch. Well, that and I can't afford to 🤣 Analog is still the way to go for me 👍
I have never flown digital. I see and understand the "L" word issues - I'm putting my money on HDZero. It's only going to get better in time.... AND I can still use my analog stuff, AND add a Walksnail module (which will also get better in time).....
How about the third digital option HD Zero?
Yeah bro, I felt the same when testing the O3 system in one of my quads. Still not as locked in or comfortable as with analog! If you ever decide to go back to analog, I will be there waiting for you hahahah. And walksnail has crazy latency when I tested it. Unflyable for me! With the O3 I felt comfortable after a few days, but still no analog magic hehe
Nice rip! Rates are NICE! I'd like to give em a shot if you don't mind sharing
Great info thanks for keeping it real much appreciated 👍
HD Zero.... Enough said!
Quite possible🤔
When I made the choice to jump into fpv I decided to go with DJI and Tracer for that quality video signal and a faster control link. Having always flown DJI I feel like my brain has been trained to not feel affected by the latency. I think the break up of analog is difficult to fly with and then I see pilots just fly through that no problem. When DJI starts to have the variable latency I know that is me reaching my limits of my video signal. I suppose that's my version of "break-up" but it's still fly throughable since I'm used to it. I have found that my signal with DJI has consistently allowed me to fly further and through more objects than I've seen analog pilots able to do. Having such a high resolution allows me to actually see details and small objects sooner. There are lots of pilots ripping hard in urban environment on DJI. I do think there is truth to the more "interpolation" that you do naturally as you fly digital more and more. You anticipate rather than react and I think that even shapes your style.
Love your content and your skills, bro. 🔥
Goggles 2 do 120fps now, btw. It rips hard af.
TY! Yeah I grabbed DJI because it's what everyone else had. Peer pressure lol.
The 120fps on the Goggles 2 is only at a 60hz rate due to limitations of the OLED. You need to be at 100fps on the Goggles 2 to be in low latency mode.
@@SkeezyFPV These are goggles v2, doesn't apply😔
@@BaldmanFPV mads tech did a piece about the confusion on the Goggles 2 latency modes and what settings you need to be in for the lowest latency about a week or two ago after Steele did a video about selling his because of issues like you’re having. I’d check it out. 120 fps on the goggles 2 is only low latency on the v2 goggled. You need to be at 2.7k 100 fps for the lowest latency on those goggles 2 or it really messes with the latency.
@@BaldmanFPV oh do you mean the v2 goggles? DJI could have done a better job with the names on that stuff lol. Yeah on the v2 goggles 120fps is where we want to be for the best latency. Those are what I got too. Those Goggles 2 don’t fit my face. I tried them at bestbuy the other day. It was painful
Oh man.. before complaining on normal packate rate, have you done correction in bf configuration? I don't think so, you're not showing... Technically speaking that's the issue. There are presets for different packet rates. Check out that fist before "crying" ;)
Great decision! I'm still on v1. I don't know what I will see with 120hz vs my old v1. Great video!
Get in the World of ExpressLRS with 500Hz it plays amazing with DJI and makes it feel over all way less latend. I run the cheap Happymodel ES24TX from beginning at 100mW fix, use a Rx with Antenna like the Happymodel EP1 or a Diversity with two Antenna is more than enough to outrange DJI Video. Anyway if you fly a bit at 250Hz and switch later to ELRS 500Hz it feels like you reduced Latency a lot.
Man sounds like that latency is a big trade off for you. Have you tried analog again yet now with the faster RC link setting? Probably feel like Superman. I got the HDZero goggles and am going to try out the walksnail VRX on them. Curious to see how the latency and jittery will feel with walksnail since I’m so used to locked in low latency. Enjoyed the video man!
I did, it was a but too sensitive but great for racing
I found it very hard to fly with DJI at a system with like 50hz, too much latency for me.
Give ELRS a go for your RC link and set it to 500hz packet rate mode, be interested to know what you think as it made a world of a difference to me and my confidence.
I agree! Ghost does have 500 but haven't tried it.
Yeah.... im going with hdzero. Latency is important to me. Plus, i like analog support as well.
I'm glad to hear someone else talking about this. This was my impression when I got O3 too. I'm not sure exactly why this helps since I would assume the frame rate is the base shutter speed, but if I set it to manual, it feels a lot better (could also be me getting used to the system, but it felt like a discrete change, so idk). So manual shutter speed, color to cinelike for better dynamic range, and iso limit cranked all the way, but actual iso still on auto. The raising of the iso limit also gives it immensely better low light performance than it ships with
I'll have to try that.
Shutter speed does help a little as it affects timing, and the system can get as much help as it can. Especially in variable lighting conditions. You are not imagining this, I found this also.
Thanks for sharing dude... I still have too all 3 system... and still prefer the Walksnail system
Wonder if that's why ledrib got his "floaty" style, it's actually just the L word
I normally fly whoops with 500hz, flying the avata or the o3 air unit feels really "funny". 😂
Great flying! I want to grow up and be like you! Lol
7:08 I just switched to dji well and I noticed that jitter as well, and I thought it was dropped frames in the video feed
Yess it's there. Glad I'm not crazy
Seems you would have went with hdzero, I did, but I'm about to try walksnail.
I so appreciate it too. I knew it just couldn't be as perfect as everybody was trying to make it out to be. I knew there was just something, that somebody(most-everybody) wasn't really saying, that I was going to end up feeling or whatever. After I had, potentially, got done spending all that damn money. Then I really would've felt a certain type of way then. Good looking out.
Yeah people switch to HD, love the image and never go back and understand what they've lost as far as control and precision.
I've heard from another person that he had problems with the DJI O3 system's latency. Said that even Walksnail was better. But HDZero is the best option as far as latency on a digital system.
well, I see everyone else saying you should try out HDZero so I won't jump in the bandwagon lol
Thanks for the information I've been thinking about going to DJI and all i know is analog and simulators. I'm now thinking i'll have a similar problem
Good findings! So with the DJI latency if you up your control link Hz it will definitely help with a better locked in feeling!
Yes, it closes the gap.
I’m in the same place as you. I’m 3+ years on 600x400 analog goggles. Got the walksnail vrx kit. I’ve only had a couple of packs on it just doesn’t feel right at all to me.
I thought maybe the extra detail will make up for the bit of extra latency but I’m not convinced... probably gonna stick it on a long range rig
That sucks. The VRX is limited to 60fps. Make sure it isn't in low power mode.
when i read the title of this video, i assumed you went HDZero, due to the latency.
Plus they can take Walksnail VRX input if you wanna try that down the road
Plus their goggles also happen to be the best analog goggles available
Phantom rips walksnail like crazy but he still prefers his dji
Yep!
Have you tried hdzero at all
Great video, the info is right on point with my initial experiences of digital in general. Took a week or so to get adjusted from analog. Definitely Changed the way I fly, had to start thinking ahead a little more. Hope you enjoy the system more as you fly it, Cheers!
Glad to hear!
I you stand closer to the drone when doing proxy less lag actually faster than some analog. a lower latency link helps I swear I can feel xfire switching between 50hz and 150hz but when locked to 150 fail safes happened
it does help.
Very good info here! I relate to your flying style and moving to digital was hard! I feel like my brain is working overtime predicting the moves and it makes me exhausted. I’m using walksnail tho but not in the lowest latency mode. I think you’ll definitely have a better experience with walksnail in the high fps mode cause the DJI O3 has more latency even tho the picture is better. I find walksnail 60fps to feel very smooth comparing to older DJI where it had that flip book look u mentioned. I also think HDZero would be perfect for your style. If you are gonna go back to analog u should just stick with HD Zero, I’ve been using it and I feel no difference from analog latency wise. I went to walksnail cause I want to experience more definition for my cruising flights. Ultimately the hd zero goggles and a walksnail vrx would give you the best of all worlds and that’s what I’m planning to get. You can get 100fps from the vrx on those goggles which makes good latency for walksnail
Excellent flying 👏
great video i had the complete opposite for me i fly hdo FS for 2 years then went to dji when it came out and instantly got better because i could see better im still flying the v1 set up
Yessir 350vtx or more… runs on 3s… elrs or crossfire same frame just a lil bigger
Nice ripping man I just switched to o3 is nice. Do auto record on take off
Great insight. I agree with all of your points and can confirm that moving from analog to digital hasn't been without its tradeoffs. I still feel more connected to my aircraft when I run analog without a doubt. Your suggestion of adjusting the radio link speed may help me. Never thought of that so thank you.
Thanks, Good luck!
I really like your videos. Keep it going man!
I appreciate it!
Before you try Walksnail, grab a Vista with a Nebula Pro (I also like the Polar for night flights but it is 16:9). That gets all the O3 camera complexity out of the mix and while I like the O3, I think it is better suited for Cinewhoops and long range flying.
Yes I see the prev Gen DJI is faster.
The good news with the V2 goggles is you can use both the vistas and the O3 without updating the firmware on the vista like you do with the Goggles 2. I fly the V2s and had an opportunity to put a pair of the new Goggles 2 the other day at BestBuy. V2 is where it’s at, brother.
Nice video Brah! Your get used to it . I have Elrs it works fanominal
long story short I'm buying HDzero goggles tomorrow after work
with the 03 system you can have it record on arm so you dont forget to rec
Yeahh but sometimes it doesn't start back after turtling.
@@BaldmanFPV ahh copy that im a very casual flyer and more for comercial type shooting i dont find myself in turtle mode much lol my flying is boring love your channel tho man great info thanks
Very top, but as I'm at the beginning I'm going analogue!!..congratulations!!
Curious to see what you think of flying a vista??
Its the quad or the tune unless u dont have the camera tightened down and it’s vibrating it
Drone for racing and etc? Analog. Cinematic? Digital.
I have the V2s and still run vista's. Im waiting to swtich to the 03 right now. The latency is consistent on the vista's and the performance is great. I'm not at your skill level or even close but just some things I wanted to share from what I've heard. Running the 03 at 2.7k 100fps or 120fps camera settings gives the best performance for the pilot over best camera quality settings. So your footage won't be it's best but the performance behind the sticks is the best.
Also the 03 camera is jittery and people are having to soft mount it to get rid of it. Frames that are smooth with the vista/nebula set up run smooth but with the 03 gets jitters. Something to do with the gyro inside the camera itself.
Like I said I'm not on your level just wanted to share some stuff. Personally the vista/nebula pro still seems like the better option for performance of flight.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I've been gathering as much data as I can about the 03. I'm looking to put one in my QAV-S 4 inch dead cat for long range but I'm still questioning if it's worth it. Also been eyeballing ghost over my ELRS. So this video is super helpful for me. Thank you
Great to see you back. Thanks for sharing your thoughts very helpful 👍 cheers
My pleasure! Thank you for the visit.
@@BaldmanFPV always watching and trying to learn how. I recently bought the v2 Google and 03 unit not sure what tbuild to put it in.
Good flying while you struggle.
Wow yes after watching bardwell's video no wonder you can feel the latency, got me worried as I've got module coming and I have pretty quick rates and like to do some avoidance maneuvers quote often... We'll see maybe I'll just have to keep digital to the cinewhoop and cinematic shots.
Watch one of my videos.. it’s all in his head
@@SlattFpv yeah the nice flow stuff probably wouldn't be a problem, it's more the close unknown proxy stuff, yes I'm a believer that some can feel(or are bothered by)latency more than others, playing midi keyboard anything over 5ms is very annoying for some..., For me 5ms is just acceptable.
@@ugpfpv361 all i fly is close unknown proxy.. and I’m sure I fly faster then you in those environments. I’m not saying this to say I’m better I’m just saying it doesn’t matter as much as people paint it. You might be able to feel something different but if you can’t adapt after a handful of packs it’s because you don’t want to
@@SlattFpv faster than me, haha... sure, anyway, I'm just saying people have to decide or feel for themselves. I'm not going to tell people what they feel
im amazed by your drone skill .. i just started with fpv. Still running sims but it's so hard .. im scared il never be able to fly 50 procent of what u do
Keep at it! ❤️
Valid point bro. Keep doing what ya doing. Keep well
Always
Ive had the same issue when i went back from tracer to crossfire. I couldnt freestyle the drone felt sloppy.
Great video and awesome skills on display! Seriously there are so many great pilots here on YT and me, I can hardly get the thing off the ground!!! But the discussion you had about the digital and how the latency was making you feel disconnected, overshooting, etc... that is really helpful to us because you clearly have some pro level skills there and lots of experience so thanks for sharing!
I am happy that you noted that you aren't as disappointed as you were at first and that you could possibly deal with it - makes me wonder how much this could be making it harder for me to learn to fly! I do have a couple analog quads and the attachment to put analog onto the DJI goggles V2 so I will check that out to see if I feel any difference.
I got to say, I was kind of like you, the price drop on the goggles made them very attractive but in the end... I think I would have been happier if I bought into the HD Zero system!!! Cheers!
In my opinion, when switching from analogue to digital, there is a tendency to always pay attention to latency and errors and this obsession does not let it flow and they are always looking for the error when they are flying. The ideal is not to think about anything and fly, the brain will adapt, not think too much ;)
Thanks for being honest. I still fly analog and never believed the hype, even though it was coming from top fpv influencers. Latency is a big deal to my flying style. I will keep an eye out for HD Zero improvements because the seems like the logical move from analog to digital.
I got the ws vrx I'm gonna go out tomorrow and try I've been flying hdzero you need to try that
Surprised you went with 03 rather than hdzero since latency is a big thing for you. I've been absolutely loving HD zero lately it's pretty amazing. Can't wait to try it in a 5 inch
Yeahhh HDzero didn't seem that appealing. Everyone was flying DJI..
You've gone from a >25ms control link latency to well below 10ms by switching from 50Hz to 333Hz packet rate. That is roughly the same as the latency difference between a high end analogue video setup and DJI.
Great video man!
Glad you liked it!
make sure you test the stock antennas because in my experience the stock antennas outperform in most cases for freestyle
Good point🤔
@@BaldmanFPV I didn’t notice until I put the stock ones back on. I was like ohh, that’s what was screwing with my reaction time. It was real obvious lol
I don’t know what phantom fpv is running but he seems to be a stone cold killa on the 03 DJI. Not sure of his antenna set up🤷🏼♂️
I haaaated dji when I first switched, it did change my flying. but, you'll find your mojo again with the new stuff.
I’ve been flying DJI V2 since I started fpv. I was sad to hear that the 03 actually has significantly more latency than what we’ve been running. I’m now looking into HDzero which has the lowest latency
Yes its the highest
Great insights about the 03 system. I too switched to O3 bit from Vista. I only fly low latency mode and the O3 at 1080 120Hz seems to behave like Vista in high quality mode. It's like the screen is lagging behind the quad. The screen quality is very high and the entire screen is in focus compared to vista low latency. I can literally fly behind an entire building and the system is able to keep up. Hard to do maneuvers that I could easily do with vista low-latency mode. I subscribed to your channel. I like your flying style and look forward to see how you adapt and tune to get best out of the O3.
TY. The 03 is def solid transmission
Mustang and an Olive Green backpack.,.... What MOS where you lol
Also; I switched to Walksnail with the Fatshark Dominator HDO3 goggles hence my name... Baldman FPV was already taken.
I kinda like the system now, only trhing is I needed to fck around with the foam to have the goggle sit well, but now its great.
Latest firmware sure as hell improved a lot overall.
BUT I still feel a bit 'detached" from the quad. I fly ELRS and gonna try fiddling with the tx settings/packet rates, might help now you tried it with GHOST and noticing that difference, never tought off that! I was sure it was the switch from analog to digital and the screens being further away from my eyeballs. Didn't really feel latency, pretty sure it's the control link now, after seeing this video.
Yep, def give a faster link a try!