5 Mistakes That Will MESS UP Your Relationship With Your Bird
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- Опубликовано: 20 фев 2018
- This is Patty's second training session with Morgan ever - so be gentle and mindful of her struggle when commenting.
Sometimes things are not as easy as they look.
The 5 major mistakes made in this video:
1. Encouragement placed at the wrong moment.
2. Use of language being the same and otherwise confusing.
3. Accidental bridging (bridging is marking the exact moment in time with either a clicker or the words "good girl" that the bird did the behavior you want to see repeated.)
4. Not properly catching Morgan, resulting in her becoming easily off balance as well as each catch being so different that there's no consistency.
5. Not properly reading body language and otherwise a lack of communicating and adjusting to the bird.
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I am in love with your teaching skills! For both birds and humans, haha. You're firm but compassionate and patient. The world needs more teachers like you.
I just stumbled upon this channel because I love animals. And while I never plan on having birds (especially parrots), I'm so fascinated by your relationships with them, and how intuitively you seem to understand behavior. This channel is a gem.
RiverCrystal I think their birds are just TOO beautiful! So well loved and cared for :) I'd never want a macaw as I find them super loud, but I'm thinking about a few cockatiel in my future. Not for a long while, though.
@@KaylahDemi tiels are loud too, not as loud as macaws, but they yell too.
@@LindaEll89 I know that, but cockatiel loud and macaw loud are on two different planes lol
Thank you Patty for letting us experience all this with you. It must have been so hard to have been the "bad guy" while trying to get Morgan healthy, and I am sure it is not easy to have your sessions now video taped for the world to watch. You are learning a lot faster than I did!
Yes, I know this comment is on a 2 year old video...
Having learned a lot on how to work with dogs (the principles are the same!), I can totally relate to Patty in this. Not only is it hard to break these habits, it's difficult to realize that you're even doing them as they happen! This is why video recordings can be such a useful training tool!
This kind of video is STUPIDLY helpful. Especially how you've broken down her body language!!! If you see this, please do more! I'd very much love to learn as much as possible before I actually get to the point of actually committing to getting a bird. Your channel is literally the most informative channel I've found! Thank you so much for sharing. This content is INSANELY good.
Do you have a bird yet?
@@chicoziebirb5139 nope. Moved out of a strict place into a stricter place. Moving again soon into a place where we can have birds I'm a few months.
Patty is an awesome owner. Trying everything she can to help morgan. So many would never dare try and she is doing everything for Morgan!
This may have taught me more valuable things than any other video. The stuff in here is the stuff I truly need to know, I'm thinking about macaws right now and knowing how to hold/catch a macaw/ body language, encouragement, etc. is important to me
It seems much easier to teach a bird knew behaviors than break a human of bad habits.
You can teach an old bird new tricks, but you can't lead a human to logic. ;)
@@deweyboie Don't get me started on bloody humans! I have animal babies for a reason! My life is helping animals!
I have to agree on this one. I think Patty needs training almost more then the bird
Jamie your outstanding and Patty you're really getting this GREAT JOB! Your Both teaching ME so much with my birds. Bless you, both for doing this all on camera it has to be an experience. One that you didn't have to open up to all of us but did and I thank you so much for doing this all on camera for us to see. :)
that slow-mo at 13:35 :O beautiful
Such a beautiful bird! I`m so warmed seeing owner and bird getting in tune with each other and seeing Patty interacting with her beloved bird! Good job Patty!
Morgan may have a ‘bum’ foot but she makes up for it w/ her gorgeous coloring. I love watching her fly in slow-mo. The progress Morgan has made is amazing!
Wow! Great work, patty!!! I really love how reflective the both of you are and how interested you are in getting it right. This is so awesome to watch!
I adopted Ara, my 15 year old rescue scarlet macaw a few days ago and she does not have the confidence to fly. She does the wing thing all the time but will not fly no matter what I do. She is also not good at stepping up. Ara will step-up with on foot but then put it back down after a few seconds. This video helped a lot, I would love to learn as much as I can about training macaws! I want to have her free-flight trained in the future once she is stepping-up confidently and can fly.
A great example of the animal training the human. When the bird is not ready. It can be tired or just not focused. But it can also be because it knows the person isn't ready. The more I watch the videos the more I am convinced the bird to person connection is even greater than with a dog or cat.
You're doing great Patty
This is amazing to watch
I am definitely Patty! So much patience for everyone, including Morgan, is required, this was awesome to watch.
Patty is doing great, your a phenominal Trainer. I love how you explain things so well.
Jamieleigh, your suggestions for Patty are excellent. Patty is a brave, good sport:) I noticed a problem: Patty continues to pull her arm backwards when Morgan approaches and is preparing to land, so this must be frustrating for Morgan and may be causing her hesitation when Patty calls her.
"The Alex Studies", a book detailing the research done with Alex the African Grey at Harvard U, clearly shows the intelligence of Greys and parrots in general. Jamie, I love how you approach the training intelligently and with focus. Patty, you're doing very well and continued success is in your future I believe. These videos are really fascinating to watch. Thanks for posting them.
Wow! What a great video! So much emotional intelligence going on here from both of you.
I really appreciate this opportunity to learn - we learn much more from mistakes than successes.
Patty - I *love* you! Thank you for being so open to sharing this - takes so much courage. xA
It's so good that a Macaw deemed 'damaged' and unwanted can find the perfect forever home. I have learned so much just watching the Birdtricks series. Maybe some day you will get close enough to Alabama that I can catch one of your lectures/masterclasses.
What a lucky bird Morgan is to have a new partner in Patty! To have someone love you enough to spend this much time and care for you is a true gift.
This is so educational! Thanks for sharing these training sessions, the breakthroughs and mistakes. I love Morgan!
This was a very informative video. Thanks for uploading it.
Fantastic video! Great way for us viewers to learn too! 💞🐦💞
THANK YOU for putting the 5 mistakes at 00:56 in a numbered list!!! I was interested in seeing details, but having the list up front, huge! This is missing from so many videos on everything! Appreciated.
Very informative, thank you.
(Also Morgan's color pattern is stunning)
Great job Patty! Would love to see an update on this!
Thankyou Jamie.... so many things I need to keep myself doing and from doing!!!......I change high and different ways to fly but encouragement I do.... Not as much as I should and switching hands I don't do at all. I also panic walking back to 5's stand because sometimes she dropped her treat and bites, which I suppose she feels my nerves. Feeling all fresh now and can't wait to get home!!!!
This video really helped me a lot and I've been able to see my mistake thank you so much 💕💕
I have been watching a TON of your videos for three-four months now because I am interested in getting a bird for myself and want to have as much knowledge as possible so it is a happy, healthy situation for both me and the bird. I have loved all of them and I really appreciate you sharing you immense knowledge and skills with all of us, but I have to say, videos like this one are THE MOST helpful for someone like me. Just like birds and animals, watching failures is so much more educational for me because I can see the mistakes that anyone can make and know how to correct them. Thank you for posting videos like these and thank you Patty for letting us see that anyone can make mistakes whether you have a lot of bird experience or none at all.
Excellent teaching!
So interesting! Thank you for sharing
great work!
Great video - thanks 😉👍
Jamie has less patience with people than with the bird here haha. I think she has less patience with people because birds are a different species and communicate differently so Jamie gives them a pass for misunderstanding sometimes and keeps working through it. But since other people speak English the same as her, Jamie probably feels that THEORETICALLY they should always comprehend what she means and she gets a little more flustered when that is not the case. Morgan, Patty, and Jamie are all working hard here to communicate with each other and that is something everyone must work on for a life time no matter what language they speak.
No one likes making mistakes but this video is so helpful.
First of all, thanks so much for sharing this. I am always excited to see how the two of you are doing on your progress with Morgan, although I don't have birds anymore .
You probably are aware of it, but it seems Patty was kind of overburdened in this session, mainly because there are so many things to mind. In my experience, it is most efficient and convenient to focus and work on one aspect at a time, until it's absorbed (I am a musician and teacher). I understand there is an urge to correct flaws quickly because they have an impact on Morgan. But you might review some of your footage for body language and proper response, or (if it's possible) do some sessions with Jamieleigh's parrots - you will probably come up with something. It also might help Patty to get an INSTANT, SHORT reminder, when she falls back into her habit like "hand!" or "gg-word". Best wishes!!!
So, I have to say that these videos are awesome! I have never worked with these types of birds, I am actually training a Common Raven right now in Utah, but these videos are teaching me a lot about how to teach others too. One point you said in a previous video, Jamie, "there is just no time for a lot of words." You couldn't be more right because you can't risk losing the moment!! So I'd love to see more series like these, it is great to see unrehearsed how real people teach and be taught.
And Patty, don't give up!! You kick ass for doing this, both of you!!
Brand new to your channel, just fell upon it about a week ago and I've seen a ton of your videos now!
Thanks for what you do!
❤ I love ravens ❤ In my opinion, they are the most beautiful birds. But, shhh, don't tell my green cheek. Lol
Heres what i learn from all of jamie's video's. Its us humans who need confidence and training... not our birds. :)
OMG this women is amazing! She is one of the best teachers but I am not a good student. I am trying my best though :-( I know my babies are happy birds and I give them anything they want. I also take them to the vet. I am going to try and find a bird trainer in my area to train my babies properly :-) You are a great person :-)
A Dream of Parrot!!! Greatest!!!
Please make some more parrot body language videos
Your final comment of the video. That you get bummed when things dont happen like you wanted. It can be disheartening HOWEVER as was mentioned also its USUALLY the animal trying to let you know your communication to them isn't clear enough sooo it's also the OPPORTUNITY to become a better trainer 😁 I most definitely credit my toughest trainees for making me the trainer I am today. They are the ones who forced me to think things through and figure out where I was making mistakes and not communicating clearly or reading them correctly. Because after all we are the ones asking them to do something, not the other way around. Great job Patty not giving up!! Rescue is proof so many others have! You'll get there!
Thank you. 🥰
I’ve been following this series closely and have a question: is it typically for birds to learn this quickly? Morgan’s progress seems very rapid, and I’m wondering how common this is.
If the person knows what they're doing, yes. Often times people will accidentally click the clicker at the wrong time and capture a behavior they then have to un-do. I have some series like this one with an alexandrine parakeet, and blue fronted amazon as well. The amazon was trained in 45 days! I had the parakeet for the entire summer. Each bird and person is different so the learning rate will be different based on that. But I do think Morgan learns quickly and is very open to training. I don't think she's ever been communicated so clearly with before so she is really enjoying it.
Morgan is so much more confident! Look at her perform with those people around!
Something I noticed while training my dog…
I was trying to teach her “doggy catch” where she’ll jump into my arms on command. To get her there I started with sitting in a chair and having her jump her into my lap. As she was more successful the higher off the chair I would sit until I was standing completely straight up.
The problem was… when she was in my lap, great good job! …and then I would have to remove her from my lap to continue practicing the command. But she started to think that no, I don’t actually want you on my lap, because I had to keep placing her back on the floor.
I wonder if this can be an issue with recall in birds too. The bird came to you, but then you immediately put it back on the perch… so maybe you don’t actually want me to come to you? I guess this is Another reason to not rush and be very patient and use high value treats at the beginning so there’s no confusion.
I loved Jaimie catching at the 17:45 mark, when Patty said Morgan needed more confidence, and Jaimie said "no you do, she's fine"
Maybe Patty should catch a couple of "Normal" birds before working with Morgan maybe she will not think about catching her so much and it will feel more normal, otherwise you all are doing great cant wait to see the next video.
I love your videos and I have a question. I have problem putting my 2 yr old lovebird back in his cage. Do you have any tips? thanks
Yes, use the touch training talked about in my BirdTricks Tuesday video "training 101"
What are you using for treats
I need help, I made a horrible mistake and my parrot is now bonded to a mirror/ I bought one at store with toys and other stuff, pet store worker said I should get him a mirror so I thought there is nothing wrong with that. Than I also gave him my mirrror, and now he doesn't let anyone touch it, and he will attack despite the fact that he is a cowardly little bird. Now I know mirror is not a good idea. How do I get rid of it, just take it away? What if he will be depressed or agressive? Should I give it back than?
That is one colorful flap-flap.
Whitch could be a good reward for my bird? Because She starts doing the exercises but then after 10 min she doesn’t want any more. Thank you for your help, my bird it’s a Quaker parrot
Patty is my favorite (sorry, Jamie!) Simply because she's learning. I learn so much more from watching her than I do the trainers. Her mistakes and whoopsies help me to avoid doing them myself. Her not being perfect gives me confidence that I can learn too
Teach me my friend I need some
Help with training my budgies
I have a handicapped mili gold macaw shes been set up to fly but never takes off and when she’s ready to she twitches looks off balance. The adoption agency said she never really likes to fly and the wing a over her handicapped leg is over preened 🥺‼️ idk what to do
What's really interesting: as soon as Patty becomes more confident, Morgan is more willing to fly to her.
What can I learn next
How old is she when you start traing?
Soo ... When Morgan first time saw target stick, she was immidietly intestred ... What to do if your bird is not intrested in target stick?
We explain this on our newest course www.familyfriendlyparrot.com - but basically if your bird is scared you use luring and if it's aggressive you use a tactic shown better in the video based on how to hold the stick properly.
Thank you for answer :) In fact i have just canary and i am still trying to get his trust. But I dream about some parrot in future soo i was watching some videos with Caiques and end up on your channel where i discovered Morgan. And I am soo exciting to watch her progessing, i am way behind from present but step by step i am watching all videos. And i think i fell in love with macaws. They are soo beautifull, intelligent birds. If i had place for one, i would definitlly want one. But I think i´ll stay with little parrots. :D
if a macaw hasn't flown in about 25 years do you think it could learn to fly again?
My macaw is about 27
Can i just say that Morgan is so freaking confident at this point! She isn't searching and judging where she will step every time now she is just going ok i need to step here i put my foot out and step here. Just that fact alone proves you know what you are doing girly 😘
I was taught with dog training if they do it correctly 3 times in a row, move on to something different. You accomplish what you set out to do. You can come back to it later. You want to help the animal to learn ( and they will think wow I am awesome.
Dog training doesn't translate to parrot training... you can also train a dog a lot longer, and dogs will often do things to please you. Birds need short sessions and are self serving animals. Also, I am working on conditioning with Morgan to get her in good enough shape to be able to handle long exploratory flights outdoors so a few reps isn't going to accomplish my end goal.
This isn’t bird training! This is human training! 😂😂😂😂
Seems like birds are way too phobic for me- i was really interested in getting a parrot but just seeing how the clean T-stand bothered her i don't think I'd have the patience.....
Stop it patty! Damn.... That gave me a chuckle she paid good money for that phrase
This isn't any different than training the owner with a more common animal, such as a dog, where owners do terrible training mistakes.
Also, if patti would use a normal speaking voice, instead of the high pitched, and somewhat anxious sounding "baby talk" voice, the bird AND patti would probably be more calm. Patti is more nervous about being accepted by the bird and about doing the training correctly than the bird is about flying and being caught.
The other problem here is that jamie is having to train multiple issues out of patti. As intelligent as we are, even as humans, our brains only like to learn 1 correction at a time.
It's really impressive to see the trainer do as much as she can to NOT hold the bird's attention. It's human nature to want the attention.
I know this was filmed months ago, but patti and any new bird owner could learn a lot from watching how the trainer interacts with the bird, body language, body positioning, etc.
I know people are giving patti grief, but I've seen plenty of dog owners do the same kinds of errors with command words, mistimed rewards, "good boy" all the time leading to dogs who won't sit or stay, etc.
Lots of dog training is training the owner and that's what's going on here. But, nobody gets hate from learning to train their dog like people in bird vid comments seem to do.
patty needs to change her habits with morgan, wich is very difficult. But otherwise, i can see, she really wants to best for morgan, she tries really hard. wich says a lot
14:35 Idk why but to me she came off really rude and mean. I understand if she did it 7 or 8 times, but that was her first time doing that.
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Why the first comment I see says PINNED BY BIRD TRICKS
I am really frustrated by this. I hate to say it. Patty just isn't enough in tune with bird body language atm
I feel like that you make Patty look like a bad owner... I bet Patty doesn't make mistakes all the time but your videos let me think that Morgan should not be the pet of Patty because of all those mistakes she makes, or at least, all the mistakes you choose to show us.
Patty is not a bad owner, but NO ONE has been able to be a good one to THIS bird yet. That's what this training is all about - and that's what my videos are about - showing the failures AND successes. If you want to only see people succeeding, check out another channel. That's not how I believe people or animals learn, we learn through our mistakes. And although it gets better (as you will see in future videos) it gets worse before it does get better. This is new for everyone. And nothing against Patty, or any other parrot owner out there, she is not a trainer so this is all new for her. She's allowing the world to witness her learning process. But yeah, the second day of training was pretty awful. There was not a lot of good to show, unfortunately. But she learns from all of this and greatly improves over the next couple of days. I just don't have every video edited and uploaded. It's a big emotional struggle for Patty to know she isn't being natural with Morgan, but unable to stop herself from doing so.
Good response. Success and failures is real life and hell ya to Patty for being vulnerable and showing us the struggle!! Reminds everyone that owning and training a bird takes work and hopefully makes everyone think twice before running out to get one before doing proper research and inner thought.
Some o this is dang good advice
Thanks birdtricks🦜🦜🦜