Huge news!!!! AMD has just announced it will make this update available for the current public version of Windows 11 23H2. ‘ branch prediction optimization found in Windows 11 24H2 has now been backported to Windows 11 23H2. Users will need to look for KB5041587 under Windows update > Advanced options > Optional updates. We expect the performance uplift to be very similar between 24H2 and 23H2 with KB5041587 installed. ‘ So there you have it.
A heads up with this - I didn't need to look in the advanced section. It was ready and waiting to be installed. Just make sure its KB5041587 and all should be good. And make sure you restart your PC.
I tried that update on 23H2, (simply disabling v-snc and frame cap and trying the games as I was playing them) I have to say that I noticed improvements on games where the GPU was not pushed to 100% (I have r5 7500f / 4070s), for the others from 0 to 1fps at most, but better 0.1% 1% Low. Only Rise of Tomb Raider dropped from 197 to 195fps with this update...
this update has made my computer so insanely fast in general, literally everything loads instantly and it's unreal. I have that new PC feeling again out of nowhere on a 7800x3D. This is extremely impressive from windows.
It is very strange that AMD did not say anything yet. The fact that older CPU-s are running faster too means someone did a major mistake years ago... :/
Exactly! The owners of Zen 3 were using their CPUs for 4 years and all this time they were not getting all the performance these chips are capable of. Crazy times!
@@clarenceoveur9497 No. It is not that a CPU does more work and thus it's power draw and temps increase (like when you overclock CPU cores or tune RAM). This Win update is more about how effective a CPU functions, similar to enabled SMT. Disabling SMT does not necessary decrease temps/power draw, sometimes it can even increase these metrics.
Just means that whatever deal Microsoft and Nvidia struck behind the scene to hobble AMD has expired for some reason. AMD should be looking extremely closely at the update and be asking Microsoft some important questions how this happened.
I just made the switch to 24H2 through the dev preview build and it seems very good. Microsoft finally figured out how to make it work right. RIP Windows 10 gaming. Thumbs up!
There is no difference in speed between win 10 and win 11 24h2 for gaming. Running games in 23h2 as administrator would have same performance as win 10 and win 11 24h2. Some guy made benchmarks few days back can't remember the name but I bet it's easy to find.
I truly need someone to test Zen 3 CPUs soon. I am still on Windows 10, and if the performance boost is over 5% that will make me upgrade. The last time I installed Windows 11, I had a horrible experience with my Razer software detecting my peripherals, and it was a lot easier/cheaper to buy a Windows 10 OEM key then change my entire peripheral setup.
I bought the Ryzen 9 7950X3D a month ago when it was $485.00 so I won't be regretting that I did that and not waited for 9000 series at $650 which turned out to be the right choice for me. I'll wait for the 10,000 series or whatever comes next. That one should be much better than 9000.
Is the 5500/5600/5600x/5600g running faster as well? Skeptical if windows insider updates are stable but if the performance increase is good enough might consider updating.
This really makes me consider updating to W11. So far I've never even considered it as I've heard a lot of negative things about W11, but the free 10% increase in CPU performance for free seems quite significant. I'll probably watch some more performance comparisons once the update is actually out. To answer your question, I'm a 5600x owner, but I'm considering an upgrade to 7800x3D.
@@miguelcanizares7522 5800X3D/5700X3D gains are pretty similar to 7700X's. So I suppose the owners of all Zen 3 CPUs will also gain ~10% more frames across a wide range of games. For example, in Far Cry New Dawn benchmark my 5600 was only 5% faster then my old 2600. I bet with this new Win update the difference will increase up to 20-30% or even more.
If you watch hardware unboxed bench of 9700x vs 7700x with 24h2 it gains a good bit of performance but…watch the windows 10 of 7700x which is about same performance as 24h2… windows 11 just wasn’t good for ryzen cpu
Is kinda weird they not made a song and dance about this. I would have thought they would do big stuff on RUclips and as you say at least try to match with zen 5 launch. But it's good for Ryzen owners. But yeah it's not gonna improve Ryzen 9000 sales - you'd probably stick with 5000 or just go 7000 now they have even more performance.
AMD made the same mistaken with the 7800x3d that nVidia made with the 1080 ti. It's simply an extremely efficient and fast cpu for gaming. And now it's even faster. I understand how as a company they're in a weird spot, what do you do now?Do you market the new cpus ignoring the windows update performance boost? Brag about how even old cpus will get a boost? Very tricky.
Exactly! Couldn't have put it better myself. But that's maybe the reason why AMD has let it go under the radar somewhat. Ryzen 5000 and 7000 owners now have even less reason to upgrade to 9000
As someone that is using 24H2, what I can tell multi threaded performance is not impacted, it's still about the same, windows background processes seems to have been moved to 1 or 2 cores with SMT while the others are idle. it also allows cores to be parked before they sort of bounced about and used all cores, leaving 6 cores with STM to work on dedicated work i.e games without background processes bouncing them about across all the cores, might be also why Cyberpunk doesn't see much of a increase as it is quite happy using 8 cores anyway,. Maybe with dual CCD's they could offload background tasks to an entirely different CCD and not impact the other doing only games, like 9750x or better yet 7950X3D, none 3D Vcache for windows and the 3D Vcache for games. My platform is a 5800X3D and noticed a pretty big performance increase. Looking at task manager it just looks like 4 threads are being used out of 16.
If factor all the cost of upgrading to Ryzen 7000 series, 9000 series starts to make more sense. Except for gaming, X3D chips win. There are some large gains in Linux. For instance 30% more fps in a game that doesn't utilize many threads. And 18% boost for running Javascript on chrome. The modern game engines with lot's of threads that need to communicate with one another that go to sleep and wake up all the time probable hit to penalty of having hardware mitigation against Spectre vulnerability with current Windows scheduler. The data of other threads is available from L3 cache instead of L1 or L2 caches, but that also hits to SHARED data between threads and that hurts modern game engines in current configuration.
A fool and his money will always part !! If people are so dumb as to buy these CPUs for 5 fps AMD thanks you ! Dont be fools people ! AMD are their own worst enemy ..just keep shooting themselves in the feet over and over ....I have lost all faith they can get anything right anymore. Keep what you have and be happy !
Ha ha! I completely forgot one of my clips had our litter friend in there. He must be like 2mm long. I did spot him on my 34in but totally forgot to cut the clip again here 😭
If 9800x3d doesnt show some serious performance increase over 7800x3d, I will hold with my 5800x3d, skip zen 5 completely and upgrade when zen 6 x3d CPUs comes out.
Good analysis. Would like to have heard more about what the Windows update 24H2 actually does behind the curtains though, what the mechanism is behind the performance increase, and why it is was only found now. Also, does it impact Intel performance or is it just Ryzen core scheduling or whatever? Interesting theory about why AMD is not promoting. I wonder if it is like conspiracy theories in that what we ascribe to plotting might just be incompetence. :)
That's exactly my point. It would be GREAT for AMD to have made more of a thing about this. I WANT to know what was done. It's INTERESTING and as PC enthusiasts we WANT to learn about it.
I get that youtubers are annoyed with this, but as a consumer I wish for more surprises like this. Because if they don't advertise something it means they can't sell it. The failure of Zen 5 in reviews was only good for us as Zen 4 now receives great discount because AMD wants to get rid of it to not compete with themselves. And now this marketing screwup means they don't milk us for ASP+ on Zen 5 either. So, look at NVIDIA and what is going on with prices and marketing there and ask yourself what you really prefer as a final consumer, and not a youtuber...
9000 series cpu has msny optimizations to be done, we will see the real potentiall after few months, ironing bios new mobos and supporting faster memory.. is too early for conclutions.
AMD will have to capture Ai market share or heads will roll. Everything else is secondary in my opinion. This will unfortunately lead to launches such as this. They have to launch every couple of years, because share holders demand it. That doesn't mean they have necessary made any worthwhile breakthroughs. It just has to be good enough to be able to do a launch. The progress in technology is not exponential as it once was. That's why Ai is such a big deal. It is the potential to unlock the next exponential growth cycle. Just a guess.
those that will upgrade will upgrade no matter what as if you can afford it then why not. I tend to keep my PC or laptop for 6+ years or until it dies. I rather spend my hard earned money on holidays and see the world. AMD and MS did something thats good for the PC community as normally updates cripple older generation performance - Apple, I'm referring to you lol.
As with the launch of EVERY new processor, wait until driver/BIOS/software/windows scheduler updates before doing any testing, this isn't the first time software arrived late to support something new. AMD hasn't told you anything yet because it's still INVESTIGATING, they will address the issue when they have a solution. Your talking about a piece of hardware with close to 20 Billion transistors, that takes time to dig through which transistors/software aren't performing as designed, it's unrealistic to expect an answer in a few days when their is so much data to pour through looking for your bug.
Yeah it could have been to do with the Arrow Lake launch for sure. It seems the release Windows for this update does coincide with that. A trick up AMD's sleave just in case Arrow Lake proves to be good.
I find it very odd and hard to believe that it took until now to leverage this without some shenanigans going on. It might be as simple as marketshare and MS never optimizing for AMD due to that. That's IF this is even branch prediction and not some BS TPM 2.0 setting and "security" feature. If it is then we are now giving MS the ability to steal an INSANE amount of performance from people which means that "security" can be the new die shrink to force needed upgrades, which could involve collusion with the hardware makers and MS. Everything about this smells fishy and supposedly TPM 2.0 can't be bypassed during install on new versions of 11 as well. I don't trust any of these companies after things like the PRISM program. They are all scumbags.
it's not "branch prediction". if it were it would have to be fixed in every game's code. if it was just about windows components then seeing these gains they would have to be utilized in games like 100% of the time. that's my guess. hopefully someone smarter will give some insights to this.
People were complaining about the performance of the 9000 series before. Now that there is an increase through a patch you are still complaining. Like what do you really want?
The patch also boosts 7000 performance so nothing has changed except they have a bigger advantage over Intel. My issue is this has gone completely under the radar and it's only because the patch has got so much attention that AMD has now worked with Microsoft to release the optimisation through Windows update months earlier than planned.
TechTubers sure know how to stir up drama, but hey, it got us to click, right? lol Honestly, who would complain about free performance gains? Feels like fake drama for views.
@@clarenceoveur9497Obviously the marketing department compared two different windows versions to get their 16% gain in gaming. With 7000 vs 9000. Someone screwed up at AMD (We're all imprefect humans )buts not nearly as bad as ever critical reviewer thinks it is.
1:44. Tech tech potato youtube channel was first to bring this news to view 3 or 4 days before hardware unboxed. Whould love to know if the performance gains effects laptops as well!
And hardware unboxed spent days testing to prove the results. Huge difference reporting on a blog post and actually doing the benchmarking. I’m talking about performance analysis videos not discussions on the AMD blog post.
True! Thanks for your great video. It was very informative and draws out some great observations regarding AMDs apparent lack of transparency...costing reviewers a lot of time testing. I think AMD screwed up badly after all the truth of the uplift to 5000 and 7000 series was bound to come out (egg on AMDs face). Very bad marketing decisions where made. AMD you are being harshly criticized because of very bad launch choices
@@CHutch-w2u I know Ian though, his channel is awesome. I guess we didn't truly know the impact of the update and given the 9000 launch I think anyone would be forgiven for being sceptical of any more AMD performance claims! Thankfully in this scenario they were somewhat accurate!
WIndows 11 is not AMD product even if AMD knows about this 24H2 update is still in release preview and not yet available to the general public so if they told you this you all would be bitching about how you had to download a beta version of Windows to get full performance out of your hardware
There are more Intel CPU owners than AMD owners. AMD has to convince them to switch. 10% relative performance boost versus Intel would have been huge for AMDs new CPU launch. Zen 5 would have been significantly better versus 14700K and 14900K. I don’t think many 7000 series owners would upgrade yet anyways. My 7950X is still fine. 5000 series also gaining 10% indeed matters for some people upgrading, but I don’t think that’s a massive amount of people. 9000 series is 3% better in gaming and 10%+ faster for apps. And now also extra 11% faster versus Intel. It’s not a bad CPU if you are building a new system right now. Especially if you find a good deal (50 below MSRP deals seem to be common already). AMD screwed up this one badly. There was so much goodwill to be gained. Intel’s chips are literally burning out. Would have been perfect moment to lure Intel customers to switch.
Yall are too dramatic. Are we going to pretend that the zen cpus were bad before this update? Or was being the price to performance king back then just another fluke despite being in a gimped state? Just take your free performance bro
Parece que em poucos jogos porém, nos jogos que a intel ganha performance os CPUs AMD ganham ainda mais. Definitivamente os CPUs AMD empatam ou ganham dos intel 14th
"My problem with it, though, is why has AMD not mentioned it till now, why didn't it request reviewers test with it with their Ryzen 9000 reviews and why has it not been making more of a deal out of it given the huge performance increases?" Because 24H2 is not officially launched yet, obviously. Next question
It's freely available as a preview and will be released in the next month or two. More importantly reviewers could have accessed it easily and used it at the Ryzen 9000 launch. Given the option of more performance or no extra performance, I'd rather have more. It's also a HUGE deal. Regardless of when it comes out, it was easily testable weeks and week ago.
@@CrazyTechLab That's not an insignificant factor. Your install becomes locked to the insider build, which is not great for the typical end-user. You have to agree to the additional telemetry, plus you'd have to do a clean install to get back to the regular branch. Being pre-release software from a 3rd party, makes it pointless to suggest to the general public. Since AMD is literally not in control of the fate of the update, they can't make official statements based on it.
@@blkspade23 Yep but that's just it. I'm not saying make it available to the public, but at the very least they could have recommended it to reviewers of Ryzen 9000 so they could have included numbers two weeks ago in their Zen 5 reviews. Everyone avoided testing with Windows 11 when Windows 10 was faster, even though it's an old OS that won't even be supported in 8 weeks time. That's all I'm saying. And seeing as it's specific improvements to branch prediction to AMD Ryzen CPUs, AMD will definitely have been involved or at least aware of what Microsoft are doing for some time. It deserved more than a blog post and people as enthusiasts are just interested in why its faster, what has been improved specifically and how.
@@CrazyTechLab Then you have outlets like GamersNexus that takes a hardline stance against testing things that don't align with the typical end-user experience. They didn't even care to bother with the Admin login config, based on that exact principal which is a far lower bar to clear for the typical user. There is even the fact that the latest build of 24H2 is from Aug 19th, which is after all the initial reviews came out. We can't even know or assume there was anything to suggest prior to that date.
ha ha! They are coming. As Hardware Unboxed said, we can only do so much and they have a bigger team than little old me and they only got a video up yesterday
Sorry! Check out the Hardware Unboxed video in the description. Loads of game tests. Unfortunately they're the only ones that have tested this so far. Myself an others are working on it though.
Huge news!!!! AMD has just announced it will make this update available for the current public version of Windows 11 23H2.
‘ branch prediction optimization found in Windows 11 24H2 has now been backported to Windows 11 23H2. Users will need to look for KB5041587 under Windows update > Advanced options > Optional updates. We expect the performance uplift to be very similar between 24H2 and 23H2 with KB5041587 installed. ‘
So there you have it.
Trying it shortly
A heads up with this - I didn't need to look in the advanced section. It was ready and waiting to be installed. Just make sure its KB5041587 and all should be good. And make sure you restart your PC.
i got it, lets gooooo!!
I tried that update on 23H2, (simply disabling v-snc and frame cap and trying the games as I was playing them) I have to say that I noticed improvements on games where the GPU was not pushed to 100% (I have r5 7500f / 4070s), for the others from 0 to 1fps at most, but better 0.1% 1% Low.
Only Rise of Tomb Raider dropped from 197 to 195fps with this update...
this update has made my computer so insanely fast in general, literally everything loads instantly and it's unreal. I have that new PC feeling again out of nowhere on a 7800x3D. This is extremely impressive from windows.
I have a 7700x and am having a similar experience.
Just upgraded last night. I'm surprised with the load speed on everything, even on a older OC'd 5700G system.
It is very strange that AMD did not say anything yet. The fact that older CPU-s are running faster too means someone did a major mistake years ago... :/
Exactly! The owners of Zen 3 were using their CPUs for 4 years and all this time they were not getting all the performance these chips are capable of. Crazy times!
Thanks to intel
@@stangamer1151 I wonder how this impact temps? Does it increase wattage?
@@clarenceoveur9497 No. It is not that a CPU does more work and thus it's power draw and temps increase (like when you overclock CPU cores or tune RAM). This Win update is more about how effective a CPU functions, similar to enabled SMT. Disabling SMT does not necessary decrease temps/power draw, sometimes it can even increase these metrics.
Just means that whatever deal Microsoft and Nvidia struck behind the scene to hobble AMD has expired for some reason. AMD should be looking extremely closely at the update and be asking Microsoft some important questions how this happened.
I just made the switch to 24H2 through the dev preview build and it seems very good. Microsoft finally figured out how to make it work right. RIP Windows 10 gaming. Thumbs up!
That is one aspect I didn't think of for the video. Could make a lot of people upgrade from W10 and there are definitely lots hanging onto it!
Me im lots lol im about to upgrade to 11 now that i finally have a reason. Since my 7700x might be missing some free fps
There is no difference in speed between win 10 and win 11 24h2 for gaming. Running games in 23h2 as administrator would have same performance as win 10 and win 11 24h2. Some guy made benchmarks few days back can't remember the name but I bet it's easy to find.
Should of just did kb5041587 for 23H2, 24H2 DEV riddled with bugs.
I truly need someone to test Zen 3 CPUs soon. I am still on Windows 10, and if the performance boost is over 5% that will make me upgrade. The last time I installed Windows 11, I had a horrible experience with my Razer software detecting my peripherals, and it was a lot easier/cheaper to buy a Windows 10 OEM key then change my entire peripheral setup.
There is no boost for anything. Patch if anything will make win 11 and 10 the same speed for your processor.
I bought the Ryzen 9 7950X3D a month ago when it was $485.00 so I won't be regretting that I did that and not waited for 9000 series at $650 which turned out to be the right choice for me. I'll wait for the 10,000 series or whatever comes next. That one should be much better than 9000.
they should have waited till 24H2 update OR they should have let everyone know about it just like you suggested.
Apparently new AMD laptops already come with the necessary Windows optimization. Only Windows for desktops are left out by Microsoft.
Is the 5500/5600/5600x/5600g running faster as well? Skeptical if windows insider updates are stable but if the performance increase is good enough might consider updating.
Waiting for your tests, please focus on productivity! It would be great to see a direct comparison between 7950X and 9950X.
This really makes me consider updating to W11. So far I've never even considered it as I've heard a lot of negative things about W11, but the free 10% increase in CPU performance for free seems quite significant.
I'll probably watch some more performance comparisons once the update is actually out.
To answer your question, I'm a 5600x owner, but I'm considering an upgrade to 7800x3D.
Hearing that a lot in the comments. Will be interesting to see the difference in other games and outside of games too. Thanks for the comment!
wondering what the performance gains on 5600x will be as I also own one
Wait until you don't need to go to the insider program on windows 11, it will come next month
@@miguelcanizares7522 5800X3D/5700X3D gains are pretty similar to 7700X's. So I suppose the owners of all Zen 3 CPUs will also gain ~10% more frames across a wide range of games.
For example, in Far Cry New Dawn benchmark my 5600 was only 5% faster then my old 2600. I bet with this new Win update the difference will increase up to 20-30% or even more.
If you watch hardware unboxed bench of 9700x vs 7700x with 24h2 it gains a good bit of performance but…watch the windows 10 of 7700x which is about same performance as 24h2… windows 11 just wasn’t good for ryzen cpu
Is kinda weird they not made a song and dance about this. I would have thought they would do big stuff on RUclips and as you say at least try to match with zen 5 launch. But it's good for Ryzen owners. But yeah it's not gonna improve Ryzen 9000 sales - you'd probably stick with 5000 or just go 7000 now they have even more performance.
AMD made the same mistaken with the 7800x3d that nVidia made with the 1080 ti. It's simply an extremely efficient and fast cpu for gaming. And now it's even faster. I understand how as a company they're in a weird spot, what do you do now?Do you market the new cpus ignoring the windows update performance boost? Brag about how even old cpus will get a boost? Very tricky.
All in all, it has been a weird product launch. I don't mind the coming performance uplift for my AMD Ryzen 7700 :)
Exactly! Couldn't have put it better myself. But that's maybe the reason why AMD has let it go under the radar somewhat. Ryzen 5000 and 7000 owners now have even less reason to upgrade to 9000
Is there any benchmarks for the 5800X3D? I'm unsure if upgrading to 24H2 is worth it as I'm rocking 5800X3D/7800XT.@@CrazyTechLab
@@Endermanv-ot2if It's the first CPU I'll be testing
@@CrazyTechLab I'll be looking forward for that. Is it possible to get 24H2 right now via preview updates or must we wait for October?
As someone that is using 24H2, what I can tell multi threaded performance is not impacted, it's still about the same, windows background processes seems to have been moved to 1 or 2 cores with SMT while the others are idle. it also allows cores to be parked before they sort of bounced about and used all cores, leaving 6 cores with STM to work on dedicated work i.e games without background processes bouncing them about across all the cores, might be also why Cyberpunk doesn't see much of a increase as it is quite happy using 8 cores anyway,. Maybe with dual CCD's they could offload background tasks to an entirely different CCD and not impact the other doing only games, like 9750x or better yet 7950X3D, none 3D Vcache for windows and the 3D Vcache for games.
My platform is a 5800X3D and noticed a pretty big performance increase. Looking at task manager it just looks like 4 threads are being used out of 16.
If factor all the cost of upgrading to Ryzen 7000 series, 9000 series starts to make more sense. Except for gaming, X3D chips win. There are some large gains in Linux. For instance 30% more fps in a game that doesn't utilize many threads. And 18% boost for running Javascript on chrome. The modern game engines with lot's of threads that need to communicate with one another that go to sleep and wake up all the time probable hit to penalty of having hardware mitigation against Spectre vulnerability with current Windows scheduler. The data of other threads is available from L3 cache instead of L1 or L2 caches, but that also hits to SHARED data between threads and that hurts modern game engines in current configuration.
A fool and his money will always part !! If people are so dumb as to buy these CPUs for 5 fps AMD thanks you ! Dont be fools people ! AMD are their own worst enemy ..just keep shooting themselves in the feet over and over ....I have lost all faith they can get anything right anymore. Keep what you have and be happy !
I won't allow 24H2 on my PC until recall can be uninstalled or disabled without file explorer getting broken.
7:37 May want to edit on a bigger monitor if you couldn't see flies crawling around the product for B Roll.
Ha ha! I completely forgot one of my clips had our litter friend in there. He must be like 2mm long. I did spot him on my 34in but totally forgot to cut the clip again here 😭
Glad you watched all the way to the 7 minute mark though :)
Does the perfomance boost on 7940HS? Or any amd ryzen laptop processors ?
If 9800x3d doesnt show some serious performance increase over 7800x3d, I will hold with my 5800x3d, skip zen 5 completely and upgrade when zen 6 x3d CPUs comes out.
i wouldnt panic...almost no ones gonna notice all this
I think it likely that it was reviewers being unable to replicate results that caused AMD to find the problem, then go to Microsoft.
Intel is way too broke right now to pay off Microsoft to continue to gimp AMD processors.
This😂
i mean, all their budget goes to marketing or bribing everyone and not innovating their products, hence why they are broke now.
That are two good things, first AMD can work now at full potential and second, Intel is broke!
I have seen a possible rumour that it also effects Ryzen 3000 series processors , but maybe a rumour
Will Ryzen 3 3200g will receive this update??
Good analysis. Would like to have heard more about what the Windows update 24H2 actually does behind the curtains though, what the mechanism is behind the performance increase, and why it is was only found now. Also, does it impact Intel performance or is it just Ryzen core scheduling or whatever?
Interesting theory about why AMD is not promoting. I wonder if it is like conspiracy theories in that what we ascribe to plotting might just be incompetence. :)
That's exactly my point. It would be GREAT for AMD to have made more of a thing about this. I WANT to know what was done. It's INTERESTING and as PC enthusiasts we WANT to learn about it.
So what does the update actually do for Amd cpus. Whats the reason for the performance uplift?
I get that youtubers are annoyed with this, but as a consumer I wish for more surprises like this. Because if they don't advertise something it means they can't sell it. The failure of Zen 5 in reviews was only good for us as Zen 4 now receives great discount because AMD wants to get rid of it to not compete with themselves. And now this marketing screwup means they don't milk us for ASP+ on Zen 5 either.
So, look at NVIDIA and what is going on with prices and marketing there and ask yourself what you really prefer as a final consumer, and not a youtuber...
No one knew antill now. Microsoft was bug for years nerfing ryzen cpu performance antill now .
9000 series cpu has msny optimizations to be done, we will see the real potentiall after few months, ironing bios new mobos and supporting faster memory.. is too early for conclutions.
AMD will have to capture Ai market share or heads will roll. Everything else is secondary in my opinion. This will unfortunately lead to launches such as this. They have to launch every couple of years, because share holders demand it. That doesn't mean they have necessary made any worthwhile breakthroughs. It just has to be good enough to be able to do a launch. The progress in technology is not exponential as it once was. That's why Ai is such a big deal. It is the potential to unlock the next exponential growth cycle. Just a guess.
I just installed the 23HZ update on two different computers with a 5800X3D in them. I saw absolutely no performance difference at all. What the hell?
U sure You installed the right update KB5041587? Ppl report up to 10% better performance even for 5800x3d CPUs.
@@johnrehak 100%, maybe 1 or 2 games give me a tiny bit more, but might just perceived. :-/
@@Ace-Brigade Remember that usually the bottleneck its on the gpu not the cpu for gaming, check that your gpu running 99-100% when u playing
@@Biakuya13 The GPU is definitely not a bottleneck.
those that will upgrade will upgrade no matter what as if you can afford it then why not. I tend to keep my PC or laptop for 6+ years or until it dies. I rather spend my hard earned money on holidays and see the world.
AMD and MS did something thats good for the PC community as normally updates cripple older generation performance - Apple, I'm referring to you lol.
does this affect win 10 at all?
As with the launch of EVERY new processor, wait until driver/BIOS/software/windows scheduler updates before doing any testing, this isn't the first time software arrived late to support something new. AMD hasn't told you anything yet because it's still INVESTIGATING, they will address the issue when they have a solution. Your talking about a piece of hardware with close to 20 Billion transistors, that takes time to dig through which transistors/software aren't performing as designed, it's unrealistic to expect an answer in a few days when their is so much data to pour through looking for your bug.
is this just for windows 11 or is there a problem with win 10?
24H2 in only in dev channel at this moment...
Dev and release preview. Beta and Canary no. I switched from beta down to release and it appeared for download.
I had to switch to dev channel as well.
Maybe they were hoping intel would launch Arrow lake at the lowest possible TDP
Yeah it could have been to do with the Arrow Lake launch for sure. It seems the release Windows for this update does coincide with that. A trick up AMD's sleave just in case Arrow Lake proves to be good.
@@CrazyTechLabI am still not convinced that AMD has anything to do with it. MS colaboration with intel is more likely to be beleveable.
Will 5500 get performance gain from this update ?
Yes.
its available as an update for w11 23h2 now too
I find it very odd and hard to believe that it took until now to leverage this without some shenanigans going on. It might be as simple as marketshare and MS never optimizing for AMD due to that. That's IF this is even branch prediction and not some BS TPM 2.0 setting and "security" feature. If it is then we are now giving MS the ability to steal an INSANE amount of performance from people which means that "security" can be the new die shrink to force needed upgrades, which could involve collusion with the hardware makers and MS. Everything about this smells fishy and supposedly TPM 2.0 can't be bypassed during install on new versions of 11 as well. I don't trust any of these companies after things like the PRISM program. They are all scumbags.
it's not "branch prediction". if it were it would have to be fixed in every game's code. if it was just about windows components then seeing these gains they would have to be utilized in games like 100% of the time. that's my guess. hopefully someone smarter will give some insights to this.
People were complaining about the performance of the 9000 series before. Now that there is an increase through a patch you are still complaining. Like what do you really want?
The patch also boosts 7000 performance so nothing has changed except they have a bigger advantage over Intel. My issue is this has gone completely under the radar and it's only because the patch has got so much attention that AMD has now worked with Microsoft to release the optimisation through Windows update months earlier than planned.
TechTubers sure know how to stir up drama, but hey, it got us to click, right? lol Honestly, who would complain about free performance gains? Feels like fake drama for views.
@@clarenceoveur9497Obviously the marketing department compared two different windows versions to get their 16% gain in gaming. With 7000 vs 9000. Someone screwed up at AMD (We're all imprefect humans )buts not nearly as bad as ever critical reviewer thinks it is.
Because it was its performance compared to previous generations that was the issue. If those get a boost too, that's a Windows gain not a zen 5 gain.
5800x3D owners just keep on winning
For gamers if you got it at launch it was a hell of a deal.
1:44. Tech tech potato youtube channel was first to bring this news to view 3 or 4 days before hardware unboxed.
Whould love to know if the performance gains effects laptops as well!
And hardware unboxed spent days testing to prove the results. Huge difference reporting on a blog post and actually doing the benchmarking. I’m talking about performance analysis videos not discussions on the AMD blog post.
True! Thanks for your great video. It was very informative and draws out some great observations regarding AMDs apparent lack of transparency...costing reviewers a lot of time testing. I think AMD screwed up badly after all the truth of the uplift to 5000 and 7000 series was bound to come out (egg on AMDs face). Very bad marketing decisions where made.
AMD you are being harshly criticized because of very bad launch choices
@@CHutch-w2u I know Ian though, his channel is awesome. I guess we didn't truly know the impact of the update and given the 9000 launch I think anyone would be forgiven for being sceptical of any more AMD performance claims! Thankfully in this scenario they were somewhat accurate!
WIndows 11 is not AMD product even if AMD knows about this 24H2 update is still in release preview and not yet available to the general public so if they told you this you all would be bitching about how you had to download a beta version of Windows to get full performance out of your hardware
You can also get the extra performace with the administrator user
@@gastonpares7266 not sure if they both stack
@@MoizCOUK Bruh 🤦♀️
Does this affect Intel CPU's and how much performance gains can be seen in Intel cpus?
No it does not. It's AMD and Windows 11 specific.
Test Zen 2 and Zen 3 on Windows 11 24h2!
DONT FORGET 9000 CPU 200% OPTIMUM TO 7000 AND 4005 TO INTEL 14 GEN
Is not HU that find this in 24H2, AMD told to make the test!
There are more Intel CPU owners than AMD owners. AMD has to convince them to switch. 10% relative performance boost versus Intel would have been huge for AMDs new CPU launch. Zen 5 would have been significantly better versus 14700K and 14900K.
I don’t think many 7000 series owners would upgrade yet anyways. My 7950X is still fine. 5000 series also gaining 10% indeed matters for some people upgrading, but I don’t think that’s a massive amount of people.
9000 series is 3% better in gaming and 10%+ faster for apps. And now also extra 11% faster versus Intel. It’s not a bad CPU if you are building a new system right now. Especially if you find a good deal (50 below MSRP deals seem to be common already).
AMD screwed up this one badly. There was so much goodwill to be gained. Intel’s chips are literally burning out. Would have been perfect moment to lure Intel customers to switch.
Yall are too dramatic. Are we going to pretend that the zen cpus were bad before this update? Or was being the price to performance king back then just another fluke despite being in a gimped state? Just take your free performance bro
"AMD is good at communicating"?.. they're good at telling the story they want to maybe.. not much better than intel in that regard honestly
Any performance increase on intel ?
Parece que em poucos jogos porém, nos jogos que a intel ganha performance os CPUs AMD ganham ainda mais. Definitivamente os CPUs AMD empatam ou ganham dos intel 14th
@@atirador94tg English ?
@@atirador94tg concordo com você, estou com um 12600kf planejando comprar um x3d am5 em breve quando os preços caírem mais e um ddr5
meanwhile amd 7800X3d price rice by 30%
"My problem with it, though, is why has AMD not mentioned it till now, why didn't it request reviewers test with it with their Ryzen 9000 reviews and why has it not been making more of a deal out of it given the huge performance increases?"
Because 24H2 is not officially launched yet, obviously. Next question
It's freely available as a preview and will be released in the next month or two. More importantly reviewers could have accessed it easily and used it at the Ryzen 9000 launch. Given the option of more performance or no extra performance, I'd rather have more. It's also a HUGE deal. Regardless of when it comes out, it was easily testable weeks and week ago.
@@CrazyTechLab The preview might not be the final version, and it’s not available to "normal" users anyway. The real question is, why only now?
@@CrazyTechLab That's not an insignificant factor. Your install becomes locked to the insider build, which is not great for the typical end-user. You have to agree to the additional telemetry, plus you'd have to do a clean install to get back to the regular branch. Being pre-release software from a 3rd party, makes it pointless to suggest to the general public. Since AMD is literally not in control of the fate of the update, they can't make official statements based on it.
@@blkspade23 Yep but that's just it. I'm not saying make it available to the public, but at the very least they could have recommended it to reviewers of Ryzen 9000 so they could have included numbers two weeks ago in their Zen 5 reviews. Everyone avoided testing with Windows 11 when Windows 10 was faster, even though it's an old OS that won't even be supported in 8 weeks time. That's all I'm saying. And seeing as it's specific improvements to branch prediction to AMD Ryzen CPUs, AMD will definitely have been involved or at least aware of what Microsoft are doing for some time. It deserved more than a blog post and people as enthusiasts are just interested in why its faster, what has been improved specifically and how.
@@CrazyTechLab Then you have outlets like GamersNexus that takes a hardline stance against testing things that don't align with the typical end-user experience. They didn't even care to bother with the Admin login config, based on that exact principal which is a far lower bar to clear for the typical user.
There is even the fact that the latest build of 24H2 is from Aug 19th, which is after all the initial reviews came out. We can't even know or assume there was anything to suggest prior to that date.
This might make me move to Win 11. I’ve got a 7800x3D ( custom loop), 7700x in MATX build and 5950x in ITX build.
Yeah it's pretty significant and for all of your systems too.
Not worth it as of right now 24h2 same performance as windows 10
Let me put it short. He don't know what he is talking
Are you just gonna yap or show some benchmarks bruh? You need to understand what your audience wants
ha ha! They are coming. As Hardware Unboxed said, we can only do so much and they have a bigger team than little old me and they only got a video up yesterday
i've searched "23h2 vs 24h2", but found your video only via " Windows 11 Update amd"
And found no test, dissapointed
Sorry! Check out the Hardware Unboxed video in the description. Loads of game tests. Unfortunately they're the only ones that have tested this so far. Myself an others are working on it though.
kitguru tech
Will these works on ryzen 5600x
Yes