Farmall H & Farmall M: 5 Differences. Antique tractors working on the farm. Vintage farm machinery working on the farm. #FarmallFanatic #farmallh #farmallm
Thanks for sharing this video. I shared it to my Facebook page and subscribed to your you tube channel. I have my own channel that I just started back at the end of November. I love tractors. Although I never owned an M, I sure got to drive a bunch of them. Never have driven an H.
I had a Farmall-m which was 1941. I purchased it in 1977 for a auction sale. The engine need work and the mechanic that worked on it changed it into a super M. I was in high school at the time. I was very pleased with its performance. I and my mother did a lot of work, my mother ran a 8N ford. Now at age 82 I still miss that tractor. I enjoyed your comparison of the two machines. Thank you.
I remember an exceptionally wet fall, and we chopped corn with our Farmall H pulling our Farmall 350/chopper/chopper box through the mud holes. My dad would send me through with the H first, and he would follow behind. We had two long chains that were attached to a tire in the middle connecting us. A year or two later we upgraded to real power (Farmall 806)! Tractors have come & gone over several decades, but the H my grandfather bought in 1948 still remains on the farm. I just drove it a couple weeks ago while visiting my parents. The sound & smells of it just brings back memories!
Long story short. Getting my grandfathers m farmall this week. He's been passed away now several years. Grew up using this tractor so stoked to get into my possession. So many memories. Thanks for the videos
My parents are both gone from this earth, but they were Farmall fanatics. One of many was the Super M with the deadly farmhand attachment as dad called it. Thanks for the video!
The M and H series tractors continued into the numbered series. Basically they became live PTO tractors. I've owned an M and a Super H tractor, and they were both great tractors. With the right soil conditions you could pull a 3 bottom plow with an H. The number series 300 and 400 added live power which was a GREAT improvement on the versatility of these tractors. One of the best features of the Super H's and M's was the disc brakes which were far superior to the drum brakes. Another great feature was the ability to adjust the rear wheels to almost any width because you could put the wheels dished in or out, rims wide or narrow, and slide them on the axles nearly a foot on either side. You could even put duals on those tractors, even though they really didn't have the HP for it, unless you dropped in a bigger engine. I think they were the finest tractor of the time, and many are still earning their keep on working farms running augers or pulling wagons. What kind of machine that's 80+ years old can say that??
We had a Super M with wide front end and a H with the tricycle front end. The H was only used occasionally for a sickle bar mower. My only experience with it was to pull hay wagons when we sold hay a few miles away from the farm. The Super M was for manure spreader, haybine, kicker baler, and brush hogging. As a teen, I was only allowed to run it once running the brush hog over hay to make bedding. Typically, I was always running the Ford Golden Jubilee. It is still on the farm long after they stopped farming. About 8 years ago I ran my neighbor’s Super M brush hogging red brush for days on end. Wish I could have bought it but he sold it.
I really enjoyed knowing the differences . My grandpa had 4 M's and 2 H's . The first tractor I got left by myself in the field cultipacking was a C at around 9 or 10 years old .
My Dad bought a new H in 51, 10 years before I was born. Potatoe farm. By the time I was 9 or 10 I was cutting hay with the sicle mower, and cultivating 2 rows of spuds with the front mount cultivators. Engine was replaced in 69, claimed 40 or 44hp, new engine had distributor instead of mag. Pulled a 3 bottom plow. It was an old work horse. Loved that tractor. Great video. Thanks. PS the bill of sale for it was in a drawer and cost $1995.00 in may 1951.
dad bought a 51 H new and ordered it with the high compression head with larger valves and IHC 3 7/16ths high compression piston set it dynoed at 31hp. . the 44 M i restored came out on distillate but had flat head 4 inch pistons in it when i got it. it cracked a head and a 450 high altitude lp head was on it. it dynoed at 62hp after overhaul. . i ovehauled a lot of M tractors as a IHC dealer mechanic and 52 to 57hp was common depending on which head and compression ratio piston set they had.. if you bought a fully tricked out M&W M with the hand clutch the 9 spd and the stroked engine carb kit and governor upgrade there was one farmer that also did the transmission upgrade as well with heavier gears and bearings. it dynoed at 75 hp and pulled a 5 -14 plow in original 2nd gear but pulled a 4 -14 plow in 3rd better. after breaking the imput shaft bolts and drive yokes off pulling the 5 bottom he went to the 4 bottom. i had to fix it in the field one of the times. he was pulling a 14 ft disk and he had duals on it.. the feild was too wet to load it to take it to the shop. i helped another mechanic drop the belly pump and replace the input shaft and drive yoke in the feild..
My quick identifier, if I can’t make out the letter in a photo or video, is the steering shaft. It has a bit more angle on the H than the M. Grandad had an 8 acre retirement farm within city limits, and grew corn on it. We used two-row equipment on a1948 M, that I spent a lot of hours on, into the mid-eighties. A you said about putting on Super M parts, he always said it had the Fire Creator pistons of the Super in it. It powered the irrigation pump with a roughly 20’x10” (?) belt. Great running tractor! For all I know, it may still be in service.
Thank you again for a very informative video on the differences between the H and the M. I notice the differences between the colors of the two tractors side by side. My guess is that one and/or the other has been repainted at some point. I personally have a 1950 super A that needs to be completely repainted. How does a person know exactly what the orginal color/shade to achieve/obtain ? Maybe you could do a short video on this issue, or just even e-mail me information ? I appreciate your videos so much, and they have given me much enjoyment... Mark
Another good video. When I was a kid I worked on my uncle's farm. I can remember discing with a Farmall Super "M" from daylight until after dark. I would fallow my cousin who was driving an International 966 diesel. He had lights and I didn't. So I followed him the best I could My uncle and cousin said that when they wanted to see where I was the only thing they could see was the muffler that was glowing red. Back then you would unhook the disc and then grind some corn to feed pigs. Then hook the disc back up and head back to the field. Some time after that I pulled a hay wagon. unloaded onto a bale elevator into the hay loft in the big barn. I threw a lot of bales. Baling time the hole Family came out to help. The woman would set up meals right in the field. We had a couple of Families that farmed and helped each other. It was huge Fun. Then during corn harvest I would pull a gravity wagon to the elevator to unload. Sometimes two at a time. Good times!
Well you just brought these memories back for me. Thank you! Because of the way I was brought up I've tried to include Family and Friends in work, hunting and our civic volunteer work For my Children as much as myself. I wanted my Kids to experience the best of the things that I have Enjoyed in life. I come from a really good Family. When I was a Kid it was just " Normal People." Not till I became older do I realize just how Wonderful my Family really was. Though most of them are gone now I've tried to make my Kids understand how important Family and each member of our inner circle are. It wasn't until recently that I fully understand how Temporary the Good Things in Life are. So gather up whom ever will show up. Have a Safety meeting with well defined Rules. Fire up the tractors and pretend it's all about getting the work done! But we know the real Goal for the day is Time with your People. If some work gets done thats good too!
We had a 1949 M my grandpa bough brand new and my father and I used it every day on our dairy farm up until we sold our cows in 1990! I still own and use it for small jobs around our farm! It has a little pony tank on it and my dad told me that back when he was young the tank was used for gas To start the tractor and the big tank was filled with kerosene. Since kero was 10 cents a gallon and gas was 15 cents they started it on gas and turned a valve to run tractor on kero all day. Food for thought I guess! 👍🏻 The sad part is the cost of that tractor wouldn’t buy front tires for one of my tractors I have now!
A 1948 farmall H was probably the first tractor I ever saw one year older than myself my parents said by the time I was two any time Dad wasn't using it I was on it. I was in love ♥️
My Pop rescued a 1947 M that had been in a barn that burned down. He got it in 1952, the year I was born, Pop, and Uncle Clifford rebuilt it that winter. We used it on our dairy farm, for everything. We had a Farmall 14 that Grampa bought new in 1939, and a 1953 Super C Pop bought when I was a teenager. One of my brothers has the M, now.
We had a narrow front Farmall H with a belly mower for mowing our yard as a kid. I always remember wishing that it would have had live pto, because I was always having to step in the clutch, because we had so many obstacles in our tight yard and then the mower would shut off.
My dad had a super h that he used for racking hay and other small stuff.He always had his super m hooked up to the farm all 2 row corn picker.my first 6-8 years of life I never saw the super m then one day he decided he needed another tractor so he took the corn picker off.it was like we had bought a new tractor lol.i still remember being a little guy and me and my dad going to spread manure with the m. Farmalls are fantastic tractors.
Thanks for the video. These are terrific tractors. Is there a way to identify a Farmall M from an H that doesn't have identifiable badging/graphics or an identification tag on it?
I LOVE FARMALL'S I used to be married to Missouri Gal and her uncle owned a huge farm and had a mess of Farmalls around the place. He got me to mow the back 40 with his M, down in deep Missouri, one afternoon mid summer. DANG it was hot but they kept me supplied with iced Tea so all good. Sadly we split up and Im back in the UK were no one has even HEARD of these magnificent tractors. :((( Maybe 1 or 2 over here
My dad had a 49 M and he put an M&W stroker crank and M&W high compression pistons in it. He put it on a dyno and it cranked out 63 hp! It's amazing how much power an H had on the belt, especially when you put an M belt pulley on it! We had a steel pulley! Really rare!
@@FarmallFanatic my cousin bought it from a dealer in 63 and I got to drive it at his place. It's been overhauled a few times and no longer has the m&w stuff in it. I wanted to buy it and keep it in the family. He sold it before he died and it sets in a building, getting overhauled yet again. The rear end is still original. They really built them to last!
I only got to drive my bosses wide front Farmall M once back in 2007. I remember that the seat had no support, so it traveled way up and way down driving down the pasture pulling a creep feeder. Then I pulled an old tandem axle New Holland manure spreader and fully loaded it and the cast iron draw bar broke in half and there was the manure spreader laying on the ground. They should have had a heavier draw bar on them. :(
Hi. I watch your channel from Australia. Love it. Have an aw6. A w6 made in Australia 🇦🇺. Tough as and pulls like a mule. Awesome. Keep up the good work. 👍
Just found your channel and subscribed . Spent many nights after school on a Super C plowing and discing Dad got the big tractor a 350. Any way thanks brought back some good memories.
I have the 46 H my grandpa bought new and I remember him telling me he got the tractor, corn picker, cultivator, drawbar and wheel wrenches etc. the whole kit and kaboodle for $1350. It was rebuilt last in the late 70's with a Super H kit.
I have both an M and an H. M with wide front end, H with row crop front end. Tbh the H is hands down my favorite of the 2. Yes the M has a little more power, but it also has more weight that engine is pushing so it's pretty much a wash. Tire size has a pronounced effect on power to the wheels, and imo lots of people make a mistake by putting bigger rubber on them than was original.
Nice to learn more about the vintage Farmalls. If you get a chance, can you run one of my playlists this week. I need 133 hours to hit 4K. I'm so close!! Thanks!
My grandpas M has the M&W pistons, governor and throttle, and 2 speed. I took it to college and got it running after 15 years of sitting in an open shed and it dynoed 40hp. He put that stuff on it after poking a hole through the side of the block while picking.
My Grandfather bought an H new NFE with loader,snow bucket,calivator, & bolt on rear sickle at mower $800 picked many rocks with that tractor & loader. ( hang on tight to that wheel, that spinner will Wack your wrist) tough to steer with loader. Great videos buddy.
Now this was a great idea for us city folks to learn about Farmall Specially since JD is most the popular. Awesome comparison and historical facts. You my friend are definitely a Farmall Fanatic. They both beautiful and sound great. Dang the M has taken people life. That’s a mean machine.
For some reason I love the little H tractors I have 3 so far two 41s and a 48. I wish I could get one for every year they made them. one huge difference is the H tractors had a option it could be bought with steel wheels. Great video nice looking tractors!
✝️🇺🇸👍great video I learned how to drive on a m I was so little had to use both feet to push in the clutch I sure do miss them days . Still have that tractor means alot to me now that my grandfather is gone
Had a 53 SuperM/TA with a reworked head and a paper air cleaner Power Steering and it would work with a 400 side by side, but the 400 had live hydraulics and PTO so the next step was a 706.
My grandpa told a story of when he started farming in the early 40s he traded his horses for an "H". His dad, my great grandpa wasn't happy he got rid of the horses, but after using the "H", my great grandpa bought an "M"
I spent some time on the M, when i was a child, but mostly i Raked hay with the 200. The M was on the baler. Later we had a 400, i didn't like the 400 to heavy to steer. Loved the 756 the 826 and the 986 thought!
Hey Bud, that was some interesting facts about those two machines. I was wondering what the difference was between the M and the Super M. I just like the H, that's the one I like seeing work. Have a BLESSED day.
M had 248ci, SM had 264ci plus disc brakes and that's about it at first. 53 they put live hydraulics, moved the battery under the seat. And changed to sealed beam headlights. The front emblem was changed on the first series. The hitch parts are beefier. And probably some other little stuff I can't think of right now.
My dad's 1941 H with a narrow front-end was a cinch to steer. I worked one summer for a neighbor who had a Super M-TA. It was dang near all I could do to steer it - so much heavier.
Way back then my dad saved his farm with a 2000 dollar watermelon crop, paid the bank saved his credit status, all farmed with a Farmall H and an older model F 20 Farmall. The Dust Bowl Era 1950's Rio Grande Valley in South Texas, true story.
Thanks. For information. My uncles farmed. One like red. The other liked green. Just educational in the engineer ing field. No computer simulation ..field experience.
M and w hand clutch were used a lot when baling and filling silo. When you get bunch up in front of the pick up. The PTO would keep running allowing to keep feeding the baler.
Just a comical side note. Helping out on my uncle's farms back in mid sixties. They had several H's, M's, Oliver 77s, and 88s. Plus a couple JDs. While hauling silage wagons, or hay wagons, there was always a fight over who got the M's. Why, cause they went like HELL in road gear compared to the others. Yes, we liked to race with our tractors!
@@FarmallFanatic well I already own a cub and a couple case va and vac as well as a JD B but wanted a bigger farmall and the price is so ridiculously low I have too
Enjoyed the video of the comparison between the two tractors. FF do you ever use a sickle bar or brush hog for mowing?If so which tractor would you use and why.
H for sicklebar, M for 6' BUSHHOG.H has good fuel economy of 2 more or less gph , M takes 3 gph at least. Not cheap but Bush hogs take some ponys in heavy weeds and grass. I think they should have had a 200 ci tractor. The other companies slipped in there. Allis WD 201ci, JD B 190ci, Oliver too. I H had crazy torque that often made up for cubes though.
The M was discontinued in 1952. The M used the C-248. The Supers use the C-264. The H was a 2-3 plow tractor depending on the soil. The M was a 3-4 plow tractor. When the came out with the Supers, The SH was a 3 plow tractor and the SM was a 4 plow tractor. I have a 1951 price list. I was sure there was more than $400 difference in them, but there was about $500 I'll look at it and give you the exact pricelist. Of the top of my head the W-4 was $1963, The 6 was $2477, and the 9's were around $3200. Diesels were considerably more. The H's and M's were very close to the same price is their standard tread counterparts. The bore and stroke of the H was 3.375 by 4.25" The M was 3.875x5.25." The M used a bigger battery box and took a group 2 6V battery. The last handful of Hs were equipped with disc brakes like the supers. To find one is very rare. The W-4 was the standard tread version of the H and share the engine, fuel tank and transmission, and likewise the W-6 is the M's counterpart and shared those similarities to the M. The Standards were built tougher than the row crop variant but more compact. The W-4 uses bigger axles than the 1066. The standards use much stronger drawbars, and are lower profile. The W-6 did make it to 1953 but like the M, supers came out in 1952, and like the Super M, they had 3 different variants when they were upgraded. Nebraska tested through the belt pulley until 1959. The Super M and Super H kits do not fit those engines. You have to go to oversized sleeves and pistons for the H and M.
Great video bro! You putting the Pusa plan to work for ya! And it’s workin!!! Good going brother! Your exactly right about the 1952 yearly wage..... but I really like both of those babies!
Most of the H’s I have bought over the years tend to have 12.4-38 rears and 6.00’s on the front. With that said, I know it should be 11.2’s in the rear, and 5.50’s in the front. It kills their road gear a bit, but it really helps out with plowing. That’s just my experience though.
I will give you a fact about how the H and the M are the same. They have the same dimensions. If you measured from the back axle to any one of the holes on the frame, they're the same . Great sounding H !!!!!!
My Dad bought a new M in 52. I believe He traded an H and $1700.00. I still use the tractor on the farm. I still enjoy driving it. It runs as good now as ever. They were made to last and so simple to work on. Do You think the ones they make today will still be running when they are 68 years old?
Does the h have a stock wide front end or was it originally a narrow front? Just wondering since it sticks out farther than the Ms wide front or is that really how far they stick forward? Both good looking tractors! Ever considered putting power steering on either one of them? I put power steering on my Massey Harris and man it's the best thing I have done especially since it has a hd full hydraulic loader and works great for bales and plowing. I just picked up another Massey and using most of the engine parts for backup on the main Massey then going to switch the body panels over but I plan on putting a SBC in the one I just picked up and my plan is to make it strictly a plowing tractor with a nice snow plow and I have and extra cozy cab laying around that I am going to also put on it. It'll be a project but hopefully I'll have it done by next winter and it'll look pretty sweet! I was going to do it with a M but since I picked this one up for twenty bucks I can't go wrong plus a SBC bolts up to those Masseys without to much extra fan work.
DH has an original internatonal front end. This was a dealer option as all Hs and Ms came narrow. However, these wide front ends are fairly rare. Yes I have thought about power steering on the M.
Sam klien That original front axle had a feature called “adjustable wheel base” I do not know why but I think you could extend the wheel base 9”, like the one in the video. They did not make a good loader front axle, too weak.
Yeah that was the new long well base sir, the one I saw had the main pipe under the radiator and the wheels were at that same length. But gorgeous tractor's none the less. My first boss owned several h's and m's now his one grandson owns the 2 h's and they are what are called sister tractors one followed the other in the serial numbers, now the grandfather told me the motor is way less than the pto horsepower, like almost half as much.
Great video ! I grew up on farmall tractors had a M and a super C and we had a super M with a one row cotton picker on it and 2 504 farmall diesels wish I still had those tractors
Oh yeah ! I remember rebuilding at least one of them every year One of them I remember having 2 head gaskets because of a warped head Water in the oil, blowing coolant out the radiator due to leaking head gasket Not many parts on those old tractors that I haven’t held in my hands 🤲🏻
Neither are wearing factory front ends, IIRC... Is one of those a Schwartz wide front? I pulled a 2 bottom plow with my H and the M did pull a 3 bottom.. I love these old beauties - the engine sounds are SO familiar..
Dont see many Farmalls over here in the Highlands. But i have seen a few for sale up here. Two fine looking bits of equipment tidy for there age. 👍✌ 6 hp more than the Massey Ferguson 35. 3 cylinder Perkins. 152
If you had to chose one or the other which would you purchase first? There are plenty of M's available at a reasonable price and very few H's a significantly higher price in my area (central Missouri). Thank you
@@FarmallFanatic Well!!! I just bought a 1942 M with the domed piston kit, kerosene tank, new wheel bearings and several other factory options for 1250.00 from a 80+ year old man that used to own a Farmall dealership back in the days. Sheet metal is in perfect condition but will need tires kinda soon other than that she's a beauty. Sure enjoy your videos and you have certainly planted the Farmall bug in me!!!
My Grandfathers had the tricycle tires in the front and I believe he had power steering on his M series. Is that possible. He farmed with his till he was 81 and after he passed away his only son had it till it flipped over backwards when the drawbar caught a stump and he was killed instantly because getting out of that seat was next to impossible. My Aunt sold it a few years later and it has been fully restored but haven't seen it in close to 20 years
Nice comparison think may have this backwards but think they had kerosene heads where they started on gas and ran on Kerosene. H'& M's were very versatile tractors used from loggers sawmill and farmers. Have a good one Farmall booom
I wonder what my 400 is putting down now. After the high compression pistons and re jetting the carb. Pretty nice machines there. I need to start working on my sheet metal now. To get my tractor back in that kinda shape
@@tyfrank3427 correct and I take my comment back as we have a ton of tractor lovers north of the border who talk in litres. I'm not new to tractors by any stretch, so I already knew the litres thing. I guess at the time, it just hit me the wrong way, but IH probably had a litre displacement chart even back then for our north of border friends. I'm not sure.
Thanks for sharing this video. I shared it to my Facebook page and subscribed to your you tube channel. I have my own channel that I just started back at the end of November. I love tractors. Although I never owned an M, I sure got to drive a bunch of them. Never have driven an H.
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My first job was driving an H pulling a hay wagon at age 6. That was living!
I had a Farmall-m which was 1941. I purchased it in 1977 for a auction sale. The engine need work and the mechanic that worked on it changed it into a super M. I was in high school at the time. I was very pleased with its performance. I and my mother did a lot of work, my mother ran a 8N ford. Now at age 82 I still miss that tractor. I enjoyed your comparison of the two machines. Thank you.
When I was growing up, the M was what you used to pull the H out of the mud.
When I was growing up, the IH 650 was what you used to pull the M out of the mud.
I remember an exceptionally wet fall, and we chopped corn with our Farmall H pulling our Farmall 350/chopper/chopper box through the mud holes. My dad would send me through with the H first, and he would follow behind. We had two long chains that were attached to a tire in the middle connecting us. A year or two later we upgraded to real power (Farmall 806)! Tractors have come & gone over several decades, but the H my grandfather bought in 1948 still remains on the farm. I just drove it a couple weeks ago while visiting my parents. The sound & smells of it just brings back memories!
@@driftlesshunter9200 My "H" Wasa 1946... It's still going strong although nowadays it pulls the hay wagons for fun and hay rides !
Long story short. Getting my grandfathers m farmall this week. He's been passed away now several years. Grew up using this tractor so stoked to get into my possession. So many memories. Thanks for the videos
Heirloom tractors are the best
My parents are both gone from this earth, but they were Farmall fanatics. One of many was the Super M with the deadly farmhand attachment as dad called it. Thanks for the video!
Wish I knew em n yes they are deadly
The M and H series tractors continued into the numbered series. Basically they became live PTO tractors. I've owned an M and a Super H tractor, and they were both great tractors. With the right soil conditions you could pull a 3 bottom plow with an H. The number series 300 and 400 added live power which was a GREAT improvement on the versatility of these tractors. One of the best features of the Super H's and M's was the disc brakes which were far superior to the drum brakes. Another great feature was the ability to adjust the rear wheels to almost any width because you could put the wheels dished in or out, rims wide or narrow, and slide them on the axles nearly a foot on either side. You could even put duals on those tractors, even though they really didn't have the HP for it, unless you dropped in a bigger engine. I think they were the finest tractor of the time, and many are still earning their keep on working farms running augers or pulling wagons. What kind of machine that's 80+ years old can say that??
There will never be another tractor built like these ones
I had duals on my Super MD. I pulled a 42 foot drag with it. It did a great job.
We had a Super M with wide front end and a H with the tricycle front end. The H was only used occasionally for a sickle bar mower. My only experience with it was to pull hay wagons when we sold hay a few miles away from the farm. The Super M was for manure spreader, haybine, kicker baler, and brush hogging. As a teen, I was only allowed to run it once running the brush hog over hay to make bedding. Typically, I was always running the Ford Golden Jubilee. It is still on the farm long after they stopped farming. About 8 years ago I ran my neighbor’s Super M brush hogging red brush for days on end. Wish I could have bought it but he sold it.
I really enjoyed knowing the differences . My grandpa had 4 M's and 2 H's . The first tractor I got left by myself in the field cultipacking was a C at around 9 or 10 years old .
My Dad bought a new H in 51, 10 years before I was born. Potatoe farm. By the time I was 9 or 10 I was cutting hay with the sicle mower, and cultivating 2 rows of spuds with the front mount cultivators. Engine was replaced in 69, claimed 40 or 44hp, new engine had distributor instead of mag. Pulled a 3 bottom plow. It was an old work horse. Loved that tractor.
Great video. Thanks.
PS the bill of sale for it was in a drawer and cost $1995.00 in may 1951.
Very cool.. lot of money in 51
dad bought a 51 H new and ordered it with the high compression head with larger valves and IHC 3 7/16ths high compression piston set it dynoed at 31hp. . the 44 M i restored came out on distillate but had flat head 4 inch pistons in it when i got it. it cracked a head and a 450 high altitude lp head was on it. it dynoed at 62hp after overhaul. . i ovehauled a lot of M tractors as a IHC dealer mechanic and 52 to 57hp was common depending on which head and compression ratio piston set they had..
if you bought a fully tricked out M&W M with the hand clutch the 9 spd and the stroked engine carb kit and governor upgrade there was one farmer that also did the transmission upgrade as well with heavier gears and bearings. it dynoed at 75 hp and pulled a 5 -14 plow in original 2nd gear but pulled a 4 -14 plow in 3rd better. after breaking the imput shaft bolts and drive yokes off pulling the 5 bottom he went to the 4 bottom. i had to fix it in the field one of the times. he was pulling a 14 ft disk and he had duals on it.. the feild was too wet to load it to take it to the shop. i helped another mechanic drop the belly pump and replace the input shaft and drive yoke in the feild..
Can you get those other heads and things now-a-days, just in case if people want to restore tractors with the higher output with original parts??
@@andrewbeckman351 if you can find a 400 or 450 LP head but the new valves might be much harder to find if you need replacements
@@brokenwrench1 thank you very much sir
My quick identifier, if I can’t make out the letter in a photo or video, is the steering shaft. It has a bit more angle on the H than the M.
Grandad had an 8 acre retirement farm within city limits, and grew corn on it. We used two-row equipment on a1948 M, that I spent a lot of hours on, into the mid-eighties. A you said about putting on Super M parts, he always said it had the Fire Creator pistons of the Super in it. It powered the irrigation pump with a roughly 20’x10” (?) belt.
Great running tractor! For all I know, it may still be in service.
Thank you again for a very informative video on the differences between the H and the M.
I notice the differences between the colors of the two tractors side by side.
My guess is that one and/or the other has been repainted at some point.
I personally have a 1950 super A that needs to be completely repainted.
How does a person know exactly what the orginal color/shade to achieve/obtain ?
Maybe you could do a short video on this issue, or just even e-mail me information ?
I appreciate your videos so much, and they have given me much enjoyment...
Mark
Most people just go with 2150
Both tractors looks great, I bet they do a good job on the field 👍
Another good video. When I was a kid I worked on my uncle's farm. I can remember discing with a Farmall Super "M" from daylight until after dark. I would fallow my cousin who was driving an International 966 diesel. He had lights and I didn't. So I followed him the best I could
My uncle and cousin said that when they wanted to see where I was the only thing they could see was the muffler that was glowing red.
Back then you would unhook the disc and then grind some corn to feed pigs. Then hook the disc back up and head back to the field. Some time after that I pulled a hay wagon. unloaded onto a bale elevator into the hay loft in the big barn. I threw a lot of bales. Baling time the hole Family came out to help. The woman would set up meals right in the field. We had a couple of Families that farmed and helped each other. It was huge Fun. Then during corn harvest I would pull a gravity wagon to the elevator to unload. Sometimes two at a time. Good times!
I'm trying to bring those times back
Well you just brought these memories
back for me. Thank you!
Because of the way I was brought up I've tried to include Family and Friends in work, hunting and our civic volunteer work For my Children as much as myself. I wanted my Kids to experience the best of the things that I have Enjoyed in life.
I come from a really good Family. When I was a Kid it was just " Normal People." Not till I became older do I realize just how Wonderful my Family really was. Though most of them are gone now I've tried to make my Kids understand how important Family and each member of our inner circle are. It wasn't until recently that I fully understand how Temporary the Good Things in Life are.
So gather up whom ever will show up. Have a Safety meeting with well defined Rules. Fire up the tractors and pretend it's all about getting the work done! But we know the real Goal for the day is Time with your People. If some work gets done thats good too!
Great breakdown brother. Red power! BOOM!!! You gotta want it!!!
I'm still a JD schill but can appreciate the love for the Farmall.
Rob
We had a 1949 M my grandpa bough brand new and my father and I used it every day on our dairy farm up until we sold our cows in 1990! I still own and use it for small jobs around our farm! It has a little pony tank on it and my dad told me that back when he was young the tank was used for gas
To start the tractor and the big tank was filled with kerosene. Since kero was 10 cents a gallon and gas was 15 cents they started it on gas and turned a valve to run tractor on kero all day. Food for thought I guess! 👍🏻 The sad part is the cost of that tractor wouldn’t buy front tires for one of my tractors I have now!
Yea, that tractor is a classic. They are scrapping 100s of these a day. They may be priceless eventually, but you n i probably wont see it.
A 1948 farmall H was probably the first tractor I ever saw one year older than myself my parents said by the time I was two any time Dad wasn't using it I was on it. I was in love ♥️
Mine will never leave 👍
My Pop rescued a 1947 M that had been in a barn that burned down. He got it in 1952, the year I was born, Pop, and Uncle Clifford rebuilt it that winter. We used it on our dairy farm, for everything. We had a Farmall 14 that Grampa bought new in 1939, and a 1953 Super C Pop bought when I was a teenager. One of my brothers has the M, now.
We had a narrow front Farmall H with a belly mower for mowing our yard as a kid. I always remember wishing that it would have had live pto, because I was always having to step in the clutch, because we had so many obstacles in our tight yard and then the mower would shut off.
Yeah it's definitely tricky
My dad had a super h that he used for racking hay and other small stuff.He always had his super m hooked up to the farm all 2 row corn picker.my first 6-8 years of life I never saw the super m then one day he decided he needed another tractor so he took the corn picker off.it was like we had bought a new tractor lol.i still remember being a little guy and me and my dad going to spread manure with the m. Farmalls are fantastic tractors.
In the 1940s-1950s, small farmers were still adapting horse drawn equipment to be towed by a tractor
Thanks for the video. These are terrific tractors.
Is there a way to identify a Farmall M from an H that doesn't have identifiable badging/graphics or an identification tag on it?
physical size
I LOVE FARMALL'S I used to be married to Missouri Gal and her uncle owned a huge farm and had a mess of Farmalls around the place. He got me to mow the back 40 with his M, down in deep Missouri, one afternoon mid summer. DANG it was hot but they kept me supplied with iced Tea so all good. Sadly we split up and Im back in the UK were no one has even HEARD of these magnificent tractors. :((( Maybe 1 or 2 over here
My dad had a 49 M and he put an M&W stroker crank and M&W high compression pistons in it. He put it on a dyno and it cranked out 63 hp! It's amazing how much power an H had on the belt, especially when you put an M belt pulley on it! We had a steel pulley! Really rare!
Amazing....gotta watch the final drives at that point lol
@@FarmallFanatic my cousin bought it from a dealer in 63 and I got to drive it at his place. It's been overhauled a few times and no longer has the m&w stuff in it. I wanted to buy it and keep it in the family. He sold it before he died and it sets in a building, getting overhauled yet again. The rear end is still original. They really built them to last!
I always wondered about the differences between the two (besides the size). Thanks for the video 👍🏻🇺🇸
I have a 1941 H, runs like a top! Those old farmall are amazing
No doubt
I only got to drive my bosses wide front Farmall M once back in 2007. I remember that the seat had no support, so it traveled way up and way down driving down the pasture pulling a creep feeder. Then I pulled an old tandem axle New Holland manure spreader and fully loaded it and the cast iron draw bar broke in half and there was the manure spreader laying on the ground. They should have had a heavier draw bar on them. :(
Well it's only a thirty six horsepower tractor
Hi. I watch your channel from Australia. Love it. Have an aw6. A w6 made in Australia 🇦🇺. Tough as and pulls like a mule. Awesome. Keep up the good work. 👍
Those W series are beasts
Just found your channel and subscribed . Spent many nights after school on a Super C plowing and discing Dad got the big tractor a 350. Any way thanks brought back some good memories.
I have the 46 H my grandpa bought new and I remember him telling me he got the tractor, corn picker, cultivator, drawbar and wheel wrenches etc. the whole kit and kaboodle for $1350. It was rebuilt last in the late 70's with a Super H kit.
Nice
I have a 1948 M and I put duals on it and it looks awesome
Id like to dual this out
I have both an M and an H. M with wide front end, H with row crop front end. Tbh the H is hands down my favorite of the 2. Yes the M has a little more power, but it also has more weight that engine is pushing so it's pretty much a wash. Tire size has a pronounced effect on power to the wheels, and imo lots of people make a mistake by putting bigger rubber on them than was original.
I agree.. you lose torque
Nice to learn more about the vintage Farmalls. If you get a chance, can you run one of my playlists this week. I need 133 hours to hit 4K. I'm so close!! Thanks!
My Grandpa had the H and the M good time riding on them.
Just found you and wanted to show support. 7* ! Yikes! Beautiful bright red against the winter skies.
Thank you!
My grandpas M has the M&W pistons, governor and throttle, and 2 speed. I took it to college and got it running after 15 years of sitting in an open shed and it dynoed 40hp. He put that stuff on it after poking a hole through the side of the block while picking.
I owned a ‘39 M for a while. It was a beastie
Yea they are
That was one of the very first of the series. That gives it a little more Collector value 2 - Day.
My Grandfather bought an H new NFE with loader,snow bucket,calivator, & bolt on rear sickle at mower
$800 picked many rocks with that tractor & loader. ( hang on tight to that wheel, that spinner will
Wack your wrist) tough to steer with loader. Great videos buddy.
Spinners are knuckle busters no doubt
How did you create your channel logo, I have been trying to create one for my channel, but don’t know how to?
Thank you.
Hired it out
Now your just showing off..Farmall fantiac..love that sound..
Haha just a little
Good information as always on the Farmalls. Looking forward to seeing both of them in the field this spring. Stay safe.
Now this was a great idea for us city folks to learn about Farmall Specially since JD is most the popular. Awesome comparison and historical facts. You my friend are definitely a Farmall Fanatic. They both beautiful and sound great. Dang the M has taken people life. That’s a mean machine.
Thank you! Yea JD is very popular here too. Two dealerships nearby
Thanks for the background,look forward your next vid. Those are fine looking tractors, your making me jealous
Trust me, there are plenty more that I want haha
@@FarmallFanatic You got the right idea
For some reason I love the little H tractors I have 3 so far two 41s and a 48. I wish I could get one for every year they made them. one huge difference is the H tractors had a option it could be bought with steel wheels.
Great video nice looking tractors!
I really like my H...it's become a planting tractor
✝️🇺🇸👍great video I learned how to drive on a m I was so little had to use both feet to push in the clutch I sure do miss them days . Still have that tractor means alot to me now that my grandfather is gone
Yea that's an heirloom tractor
Had a 53 SuperM/TA with a reworked head and a paper air cleaner Power Steering and it would work with a 400 side by side, but the 400 had live hydraulics and PTO so the next step was a 706.
I believe that...good step! 282 or German 310?
My grandpa told a story of when he started farming in the early 40s he traded his horses for an "H". His dad, my great grandpa wasn't happy he got rid of the horses, but after using the "H", my great grandpa bought an "M"
Hahaha great story
I spent some time on the M, when i was a child, but mostly i Raked hay with the 200. The M was on the baler. Later we had a 400, i didn't like the 400 to heavy to steer. Loved the 756 the 826 and the 986 thought!
And lets not forget the 140
It's Rock Island, IL. Rockford, IL is also a northern Illinois city. 🙂 Love your videos! Keep em coming...
Thank you!
I’m 15 and I own a 51 Farmall M and got it around 10 when my great uncle died and I inherited it and I’m going to restore it one day when I’m older
Hey Bud, that was some interesting facts about those two machines. I was wondering what the difference was between the M and the Super M. I just like the H, that's the one I like seeing work. Have a BLESSED day.
Eventually I will do that video
M had 248ci, SM had 264ci plus disc brakes and that's about it at first. 53 they put live hydraulics, moved the battery under the seat. And changed to sealed beam headlights. The front emblem was changed on the first series. The hitch parts are beefier. And probably some other little stuff I can't think of right now.
@@wesleycallison2079 you must have taken your eyes off the screen. I put in big yellow numbers C248 👍
I wasn't correcting you .lol I was answering Boxie sorry. It's pretty fun for me here in Farmall heaven.
@@wesleycallison2079 oh gotcha lol...no doubt...red power heaven! 👍
Cool thanks Farmall for the info. They sure are cool tractors.👍👍
My dad's 1941 H with a narrow front-end was a cinch to steer. I worked one summer for a neighbor who had a Super M-TA. It was dang near all I could do to steer it - so much heavier.
Yea huge difference
Way back then my dad saved his farm with a 2000 dollar watermelon crop, paid the bank saved his credit status, all farmed with a Farmall H and an older model F 20 Farmall. The Dust Bowl Era 1950's Rio Grande Valley in South Texas, true story.
Wow...great American story 👊
Thanks. For information. My uncles farmed. One like red. The other liked green. Just educational in the engineer ing field. No computer simulation ..field experience.
As always a great video please keep that snow over there my brother
I had a 39 M. Low serial number. Had 36 inch rear factory rims.They only had 36s on the first m models
M and w hand clutch were used a lot when baling and filling silo. When you get bunch up in front of the pick up. The PTO would keep running allowing to keep feeding the baler.
Just a comical side note. Helping out on my uncle's farms back in mid sixties. They had several H's, M's, Oliver 77s, and 88s. Plus a couple JDs. While hauling silage wagons, or hay wagons, there was always a fight over who got the M's. Why, cause they went like HELL in road gear compared to the others. Yes, we liked to race with our tractors!
They sure can fly going down the road
@@FarmallFanatic 16 mph is awful scary when you need to replace the bolster bushings on a narrow front, ask me how I know....
About to pick up that exact tractor the H I mean, really enjoying your videos and information keep them coming!
Youll love it! Thank you!
@@FarmallFanatic well I already own a cub and a couple case va and vac as well as a JD B but wanted a bigger farmall and the price is so ridiculously low I have too
Very good explanation
Thanks! Answered all my questions.
😎 that you showed your H and M and showed the differences..
Those are some cool tractors
I have a C,H and M.
45 degrees in feb. In Iowa here it usually is -10
Nice Vid
Nice looking tractors, thanks for sharing the differences
Your M and H is awesome, but the M is amazing!
You broke it down well! Thanks!
Enjoyed the video of the comparison between the two tractors. FF do you ever use a sickle bar or brush hog for mowing?If so which tractor would you use and why.
Yep...brush hog...M because it has live PTO
H for sicklebar, M for 6' BUSHHOG.H has good fuel economy of 2 more or less gph , M takes 3 gph at least. Not cheap but Bush hogs take some ponys in heavy weeds and grass. I think they should have had a 200 ci tractor. The other companies slipped in there. Allis WD 201ci, JD B 190ci, Oliver too. I H had crazy torque that often made up for cubes though.
The M was discontinued in 1952. The M used the C-248. The Supers use the C-264. The H was a 2-3 plow tractor depending on the soil. The M was a 3-4 plow tractor. When the came out with the Supers, The SH was a 3 plow tractor and the SM was a 4 plow tractor. I have a 1951 price list. I was sure there was more than $400 difference in them, but there was about $500 I'll look at it and give you the exact pricelist. Of the top of my head the W-4 was $1963, The 6 was $2477, and the 9's were around $3200. Diesels were considerably more. The H's and M's were very close to the same price is their standard tread counterparts. The bore and stroke of the H was 3.375 by 4.25" The M was 3.875x5.25." The M used a bigger battery box and took a group 2 6V battery. The last handful of Hs were equipped with disc brakes like the supers. To find one is very rare. The W-4 was the standard tread version of the H and share the engine, fuel tank and transmission, and likewise the W-6 is the M's counterpart and shared those similarities to the M. The Standards were built tougher than the row crop variant but more compact. The W-4 uses bigger axles than the 1066. The standards use much stronger drawbars, and are lower profile. The W-6 did make it to 1953 but like the M, supers came out in 1952, and like the Super M, they had 3 different variants when they were upgraded. Nebraska tested through the belt pulley until 1959. The Super M and Super H kits do not fit those engines. You have to go to oversized sleeves and pistons for the H and M.
I know we got a couple of each . never been rebuilt still running good machines
Great video bro! You putting the Pusa plan to work for ya! And it’s workin!!! Good going brother! Your exactly right about the 1952 yearly wage..... but I really like both of those babies!
What's the pusa plan? Lol
Most of the H’s I have bought over the years tend to have 12.4-38 rears and 6.00’s on the front. With that said, I know it should be 11.2’s in the rear, and 5.50’s in the front. It kills their road gear a bit, but it really helps out with plowing. That’s just my experience though.
I like a wider footprint when i'm in the field
M@W sleeves and pistons were used to rebuild many h and m over the years gave them a little more get up and go
Like my M
Nice looking tractors. I have to argue the point of the wide fronts though. The early Farmalls were not factory, they were made by other companies
They were a dealer option, but this was the original front end that was the dealer option on this Farmall H. Still rare...The M is a Schwartz
Neat! Well done 🚜🚜
Hmm
I will give you a fact about how the H and the M are the same. They have the same dimensions. If you measured from the back axle to any one of the holes on the frame, they're the same .
Great sounding H !!!!!!
Yea my M is just beefed up so it looks bigger lol
My Dad bought a new M in 52. I believe He traded an H and $1700.00. I still use the tractor on the farm. I still enjoy driving it. It runs as good now as ever. They were made to last and so simple to work on. Do You think the ones they make today will still be running when they are 68 years old?
Some might but most of them will not
NEAL TURNER The electronics will not survive. Then in 40 years where will you get someone with a computer old enough to work on a 40 year old tractor?
@@darrelfuhrman8217 exactly
NEAL TURNER not a chance the new ones will not last. I bought a new Deere and had all kinds of issues. Went back to old Famalls
The '45 M I used to have I sold to a farmer who still uses it on occasion.
Some difference’s are the starter placement on the bell housing and steering shaft angle.
Yep 👍
Does the h have a stock wide front end or was it originally a narrow front? Just wondering since it sticks out farther than the Ms wide front or is that really how far they stick forward? Both good looking tractors! Ever considered putting power steering on either one of them? I put power steering on my Massey Harris and man it's the best thing I have done especially since it has a hd full hydraulic loader and works great for bales and plowing. I just picked up another Massey and using most of the engine parts for backup on the main Massey then going to switch the body panels over but I plan on putting a SBC in the one I just picked up and my plan is to make it strictly a plowing tractor with a nice snow plow and I have and extra cozy cab laying around that I am going to also put on it. It'll be a project but hopefully I'll have it done by next winter and it'll look pretty sweet! I was going to do it with a M but since I picked this one up for twenty bucks I can't go wrong plus a SBC bolts up to those Masseys without to much extra fan work.
DH has an original internatonal front end. This was a dealer option as all Hs and Ms came narrow. However, these wide front ends are fairly rare. Yes I have thought about power steering on the M.
Sam klien That original front axle had a feature called “adjustable wheel base” I do not know why but I think you could extend the wheel base 9”, like the one in the video. They did not make a good loader front axle, too weak.
Yeah that was the new long well base sir, the one I saw had the main pipe under the radiator and the wheels were at that same length. But gorgeous tractor's none the less. My first boss owned several h's and m's now his one grandson owns the 2 h's and they are what are called sister tractors one followed the other in the serial numbers, now the grandfather told me the motor is way less than the pto horsepower, like almost half as much.
That was interesting! I was wondering about some of those things.
Great video !
I grew up on farmall tractors had a M and a super C and we had a super M with a one row cotton picker on it and 2 504 farmall diesels wish I still had those tractors
Ever have head gasket issues with those 504Ds?
Oh yeah ! I remember rebuilding at least one of them every year
One of them I remember having 2 head gaskets because of a warped head
Water in the oil, blowing coolant out the radiator due to leaking head gasket
Not many parts on those old tractors that I haven’t held in my hands 🤲🏻
I have seen that old super M cotton picker get so hot i swear you could see the pistons going up and down in the block
@@nickdial8610 oh I bet!
I had a 806 boy that was tough old tractor it was about worn out when I bought it and i used it for several years
Neither are wearing factory front ends, IIRC... Is one of those a Schwartz wide front? I pulled a 2 bottom plow with my H and the M did pull a 3 bottom.. I love these old beauties - the engine sounds are SO familiar..
The farmall H is indeed a factory front end it is adjusted in one of the 3 positions that it can be adjusted. The Farmall M has a Schwartz front end
@@FarmallFanatic Thanks for the info - I don't think I've ever seen that front end on an H before.. Good to know they exist. TY.
Good basic info
Great point and I want to see what they dyno at.
👏🏽 awesome tractor 🚜 I like the M great 👍🏽 information as always
I am here listening and dont understand a thing but damn you make it sound interesting Farmall my friend.
Haha thank you!
Dont see many Farmalls over here in the Highlands. But i have seen a few for sale up here. Two fine looking bits of equipment tidy for there age. 👍✌ 6 hp more than the Massey Ferguson 35. 3 cylinder Perkins. 152
Love the Perkins 👍
If you had to chose one or the other which would you purchase first? There are plenty of M's available at a reasonable price and very few H's a significantly higher price in my area (central Missouri). Thank you
Between mine? I do more with the H
@@FarmallFanatic Well!!! I just bought a 1942 M with the domed piston kit, kerosene tank, new wheel bearings and several other factory options for 1250.00 from a 80+ year old man that used to own a Farmall dealership back in the days. Sheet metal is in perfect condition but will need tires kinda soon other than that she's a beauty.
Sure enjoy your videos and you have certainly planted the Farmall bug in me!!!
M stands for mighty
My Grandfathers had the tricycle tires in the front and I believe he had power steering on his M series. Is that possible. He farmed with his till he was 81 and after he passed away his only son had it till it flipped over backwards when the drawbar caught a stump and he was killed instantly because getting out of that seat was next to impossible. My Aunt sold it a few years later and it has been fully restored but haven't seen it in close to 20 years
Yes a few guys added power steering aftermarket
Nice comparison think may have this backwards but think they had kerosene heads where they started on gas and ran on Kerosene. H'& M's were very versatile tractors used from loggers sawmill and farmers. Have a good one Farmall booom
That is correct
$2000 in 1953 is roughly $20,000 today.Cool video.How's the shed hunting going?
I have only found 2 sheds so far, but yesterday I saw a buck with both antlers so they have not all dropped yet
I wonder what my 400 is putting down now. After the high compression pistons and re jetting the carb. Pretty nice machines there. I need to start working on my sheet metal now. To get my tractor back in that kinda shape
Sheet metal is the easy part, but I bet your 400 is spitting out 50 plus
@@FarmallFanatic well we will see. But it was run over with an 806 diesel. It's pretty well flat.
@@drewnelson6463 wow
@@FarmallFanatic yes that's exactly what I said. Idk
@@drewnelson6463 Just do the best you can on it and if you have to find other sheet metal for it so beit
Nothing like a ol school tractor love the videos Farmall
Thank you!
Will the M&W hand clutch for the M fit the H as well??? Or are the different for the 2 different models???
M&W clutches for Hs are not as common as those for the M. I have seen several M clutches but only a couple of H clutches...betting man says no
Hate when antique tractors described in litres😁
The displacement of the H is 152 and the M is 248 in layman's terms.
@@tyfrank3427 correct and I take my comment back as we have a ton of tractor lovers north of the border who talk in litres. I'm not new to tractors by any stretch, so I already knew the litres thing. I guess at the time, it just hit me the wrong way, but IH probably had a litre displacement chart even back then for our north of border friends. I'm not sure.
Good info our 49 G we had on the farm had a m and w power block in it and dyno tested at 49 hp
I did a video on a G
Yes I saw that we had duals on it and wasn't much it couldn't do
*You know a lot about those farmalls thanks for the lesson* #WorldsOkayestFarmer