I would also argue that Renta was not a villain in the original twelve episodes until Der Film came out. Everything that he said was true and fair, it takes a lot of money to operate a school ship, and Oarai was loosing students and had no unique features. It was perfectly logical to lower costs, and Oarai was a good choice for closing for the previously mentioned reasons. And the deal he made was very fair, win the tournament and distinguish your school so as to attract more students and we won't shut you down. It is not until Der Film that we learn he never intended to keep Oarai open, and the deal was just a sham. I know some people argue that specifically closing down Oarai doesn't make sense since Anzio also has money problems, but I don't see that as a problem. The thing is, unlike Oarai, Anzio has a unique feature, its Italian themed culture. And despite their poverty, they can still attract students.
I can't agree more with this. There really isn't much I can say that you haven't already said. Yesterday's antagonists are today's friends, like you said. The student council at the beginning, each of the teams before and during their matches, the mothers, all are antagonists that eventually side with our girls after experiencing who they are as a whole. Only Renta, aka MEXT and the true/only villain of the show, never goes through that and is truly defeated after Ooarai and all their old antagonists and new friends in Chihatan and Keizuko best the University team and save Ooarai from being closed down. There really wasn't a need for any antagonist other than Renta to help tell an amazing story. There just needed to be antagonists that grow along with our main characters. And that one a big reason why Girls und Panzer is such an amazing anime.
I still think that Shiho is also a villain. Hana's mom was just worried about her daughter's safety and also wanted her to take up the family trade. Shiho straight up kicked Miho out of her school and disowned her for... *checks notes... saving her friends from drowning? All just because saving them also happened to cost them the match. Whatever happened to "never leave a man behind"? She redeems herself in der film by helping to save Oarai. But, it's clear she only did so because Oarai won previously, not because she grew any empathy. For me, a key moment is also in der film, when Miho comes home. Maho says "you're always welcome here" but, when Shiho asks who Maho is with, she replies "a friend from school." If Miho was really welcome, Maho wouldn't have to lie to their mother. Sorry for writing an essay down here 😅
I disagree that a Villan also has to be an antagonist as you can easily make a story with a villain as the protagonist if you wanted to. (Deathnotes protagonist is a Villan but only really morphs into it over time)
Nope, definitely wanted Oarai to beat chi ha tan. They're not bad, but this show has played fast and loose with reality to make the combat more exciting. However, the constant shell bouncing chi han tan's tanks did are absurd.
'every story needs to have some sort of conflict' I beg to differ. I humbly and respectfully recommend you to take a peek at stories without conflict and attempt to analyse stories by removing the element of conflict. It gives a really, really different experience and epiphanies. Many east Asian stories are written in a way that does not focus on the story's conflict. They point to a twist and unexpected result which seeks to bring new meaning. This is the heart of many japanese and Chinese fiction. The presence of conflict is actually secondary. At least that is how I see it. I watched gup, and I really, really like gup. So hearing your perspective is always refreshing. But, really, gup is a cute girls doing cute things x sports genre, and it borrows tropes from these two genre really well. Of course, tanks and history trivia. The plot isn't particularly deep--just serviceable-- but it pays homage to many things history buffs and tank enthusiasts appreciate while being light-hearted, and fun. Yes, it's a show that doesn't alienate those who have zero interests in tanks too. I think that those are its claim to fame.
I wouldn't fully agree. GuP has some pretty meaningful themes that go deeper than girls doing cute things x sports. Just because it's Asian doesn't mean it's not trying to have poignance. There are themes of childhood vs maturity and the importance of exploring both. There are themes regarding the nature of mother and daughter relationships, specifically how they conflict, separate, and find mutual understanding. There are themes of perseverance and guilt. There are themes of self-esteem, support, and ownership of one's abilities. All of these are displayed through character dynamics and subtle on-screen interactions. Deep stories can cover something as simply personal as growing into responsibilities and examining the nature of childhood during that process. That's far from surface level.
@@jjhh320 cute girl doing cute things shows can be deep. But frankly, gup isn't considered deep when compared to stuff like non non biyori or sound of the sky.
I would also argue that Renta was not a villain in the original twelve episodes until Der Film came out. Everything that he said was true and fair, it takes a lot of money to operate a school ship, and Oarai was loosing students and had no unique features. It was perfectly logical to lower costs, and Oarai was a good choice for closing for the previously mentioned reasons. And the deal he made was very fair, win the tournament and distinguish your school so as to attract more students and we won't shut you down. It is not until Der Film that we learn he never intended to keep Oarai open, and the deal was just a sham.
I know some people argue that specifically closing down Oarai doesn't make sense since Anzio also has money problems, but I don't see that as a problem. The thing is, unlike Oarai, Anzio has a unique feature, its Italian themed culture. And despite their poverty, they can still attract students.
Funny thing is that Anzio technically isn’t underfunded, just that the students eat so much they basically blow their budget on food
I can't agree more with this. There really isn't much I can say that you haven't already said. Yesterday's antagonists are today's friends, like you said. The student council at the beginning, each of the teams before and during their matches, the mothers, all are antagonists that eventually side with our girls after experiencing who they are as a whole. Only Renta, aka MEXT and the true/only villain of the show, never goes through that and is truly defeated after Ooarai and all their old antagonists and new friends in Chihatan and Keizuko best the University team and save Ooarai from being closed down. There really wasn't a need for any antagonist other than Renta to help tell an amazing story. There just needed to be antagonists that grow along with our main characters. And that one a big reason why Girls und Panzer is such an amazing anime.
FWIW, my go-to illustration of the differences between a villain and an antagonist also comes from anime: Lady Eboshi.
gotta correct you on something from the beginning of the video. A villain can be a protagonist, example "Breaking Bad" at the end of the show
I still think that Shiho is also a villain. Hana's mom was just worried about her daughter's safety and also wanted her to take up the family trade. Shiho straight up kicked Miho out of her school and disowned her for... *checks notes... saving her friends from drowning? All just because saving them also happened to cost them the match. Whatever happened to "never leave a man behind"?
She redeems herself in der film by helping to save Oarai. But, it's clear she only did so because Oarai won previously, not because she grew any empathy.
For me, a key moment is also in der film, when Miho comes home. Maho says "you're always welcome here" but, when Shiho asks who Maho is with, she replies "a friend from school." If Miho was really welcome, Maho wouldn't have to lie to their mother.
Sorry for writing an essay down here 😅
I disagree that a Villan also has to be an antagonist as you can easily make a story with a villain as the protagonist if you wanted to. (Deathnotes protagonist is a Villan but only really morphs into it over time)
Good point, there are quite a few stories where the protagonist is the villain.
Another Great Video, Hope you feel/feeling better now
Your videos are great keep it up dude👍🏻
Nope, definitely wanted Oarai to beat chi ha tan. They're not bad, but this show has played fast and loose with reality to make the combat more exciting. However, the constant shell bouncing chi han tan's tanks did are absurd.
Smashing commentary, m8! What are your thoughts on the Saga of Pravda and Ribbon Warrior?
Also idk if it’s the best video idea but you could make a video on why Der film is so good because I to think it’s amazing
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'every story needs to have some sort of conflict'
I beg to differ.
I humbly and respectfully recommend you to take a peek at stories without conflict and attempt to analyse stories by removing the element of conflict. It gives a really, really different experience and epiphanies.
Many east Asian stories are written in a way that does not focus on the story's conflict. They point to a twist and unexpected result which seeks to bring new meaning. This is the heart of many japanese and Chinese fiction. The presence of conflict is actually secondary. At least that is how I see it.
I watched gup, and I really, really like gup. So hearing your perspective is always refreshing. But, really, gup is a cute girls doing cute things x sports genre, and it borrows tropes from these two genre really well. Of course, tanks and history trivia.
The plot isn't particularly deep--just serviceable-- but it pays homage to many things history buffs and tank enthusiasts appreciate while being light-hearted, and fun. Yes, it's a show that doesn't alienate those who have zero interests in tanks too. I think that those are its claim to fame.
I wouldn't fully agree. GuP has some pretty meaningful themes that go deeper than girls doing cute things x sports. Just because it's Asian doesn't mean it's not trying to have poignance.
There are themes of childhood vs maturity and the importance of exploring both. There are themes regarding the nature of mother and daughter relationships, specifically how they conflict, separate, and find mutual understanding. There are themes of perseverance and guilt. There are themes of self-esteem, support, and ownership of one's abilities. All of these are displayed through character dynamics and subtle on-screen interactions.
Deep stories can cover something as simply personal as growing into responsibilities and examining the nature of childhood during that process. That's far from surface level.
@@jjhh320 cute girl doing cute things shows can be deep. But frankly, gup isn't considered deep when compared to stuff like non non biyori or sound of the sky.