4-Strokes are better than 2-Strokes...
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- In this video we tackle the much debated topic of 4-Stroke vs. 2-Stroke where we give you reasons 4-strokes are better. If you watch our channel you know that we have made a video where we day 2-Strokes are better so you decide after watching both which has better reasons.
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So what I'm hearing from this video is that 2 strokes are more challenging and fun to ride. Got it!
Two strokes are a lot cheaper to maintain. The skills to do Maintance, what change, piston and rings and put jets in a carburetor are always 10 times more easier than how to adjust the valves on a four stroke. A lot of people don’t live in California, where there seems to be twice as many race shops and dealers, so you have to do a lot of the work yourself. In my opinion, two strokes are cheaper to purchase easier to work on and maintain.
Not just that, but if you know how to ride a 2-stroke, you can destroy 4-strokes...even with a smaller displacement. That's why they limit maximum 2-stroke displacement in the 450 class to 250cc, and 150cc in the 250F class. A 350cc -2stroke, with the latest upgrades, frame, vibration reduction, direct injection, etc, will lay waste to 4strokes in the right hands.
Thats why they made 4 strokes. Remove the customers ability to fix it themselves.
The guy that made this video is playing both sides lol, he also has a video saying why 2 strokes are better than 4 strokes
2strokes... all day ...every day...#2strokes4life...
I agree with almost everything with one exception. Moto is easier on a four stroke but tight single track fun stuff is much easier on a two stroke. Also two strokes are way more fun and feel lighter and more nimble than a four stroke.
4stroke guys = ”I love dirt bikes! 2t is fun but I prefer 4t ✌️”
2stroke guys = ”my 2t rips f#@k 4t 🤟👿”
I love and enjoy both to the max. Best of both worlds 🤙✌
I make my ownership of a 2 stroke as a replacement for my personality and this video deeply offends me.
Moto and wide open enduro yes. Tight single track and hard enduro 2T all day. Love my 23 TBI it’s like a combo of both.
I bought my first dirtbike (used) rode it for 50 ft then tore the entire thing apart for a COMPLETE rebuild. Never took a bike apart before. Would not have attempted that on a 4T. Being able to wrench on your own bike as a new rider was pretty sweet.
This is a extremely relatable opinion
@@Michael_Douglas007 I couldn’t agree more! So glad I started my son a YZ85 2 stroke. At 14 years old he was rebuilding top ends and now has mechanical confidence.
A 150cc 2 stroke is fun, a 150cc 4 stroke is lame.
Can’t compare them too
You literally contributed nothing to the discussion about this topic with that comment
That sounds like a personal opinion, a 150cc 2 valve air cooled 4 stroke is slow but a liquid cooled 4 valve crf150r its pretty fun you should ride one
@@Queloqueloco It's nothing compared to a te150i or xcw150, no comparison, the 4 stroke is underpowered and boring next to a 2t 150 fi bike. Especially one with electronic pv.
@@johnblock6608 i mean he literally did though.. he has fun on a 150 2 stroke and a four stroke with the same cc’s isn’t so much.
I’ll agree that humans tend to take the easier rout to achieve the same result, given that’s the most logical path to achieve “success” but I think putting in the work to become fast on a 2 stroke will take you to a whole new skill level on a 4 stroke and make you a much better rider.
I’m on the fence with this one. I’ve got a Husq 250 2 stroke and a KTM 450 4 stroke.
KTM 450 4 stroke: Feels so much heavier but has more predictable power delivery and I prefer the exhaust note.
Husq 250 2 stroke: So much lighter feel and power delivery can surprise me. But the 2 stroke requires so much more engagement and can feel more rewarding and exhausting at the same time. Pick ur poison …...
Hi Jay, i ride trails in the colorado rockies and right now i have a ‘21 yz 450fx, but i’d prefer honda still make the CR500. Those were the best bikes i ever owned. Easy maintenance and absolutely bullet proof. To each his own. 👍
look into brc 500cc. they make a modern 500cc counter balanced, fuel injected, etc.
Still have my '86 CR500. Most fun I've ever had on single track!
@@waynefuerstinger7007 my first was an 86, my second was a 90, my third was an 01, sure wish i had all three.
I like riding four strokes too, when they are running well. Trouble is, I have never had much money to spend, and I keep coming back to the two strokes. Having to get the valves and associated wear items done is just too expensive. Two stoke i can do myself, without mucking it up. So while riding four strokes is easier, living with them isn't.
Ronnie mac disagrees 69 times.
450’s had a serious advantage in displacement over the 250 2 strokes in motocross. In Enduro the vast majority of riders are on 2 strokes.
You’re losing subscribers every second this thumbnail stays up. You will never financially recover from this.
LOL that's a good one
I have both! My 450 is a lot easier to ride on the local track, however it is super fun to shred the 125 on some tight woods stuff!
Definitely for a do it all bike, more torque, or shifting less. The rest is kinda subjective. Ride both 2 & 4 stroke. Just don't get a electric (E🤮V) one ,unless you already have a dress & a boyfriend & have gone down that woke degenerate path.
EV’s are the Bud Lights of the car/bike world. Makes ya gay
I'd rather be scared to death on a two stroke than bored to death on a four stroke.
If your bored on a 4 stroke your probably riding an air cooled bike try a 450 😏 and go wide open throttle
@@Queloqueloco I used to ride a ktm 505 sxf back in 09 great bike but it just doest scare you it's predictable and easy to ride, I'd rather be on the edge have a fight on my hands be kept on my toes.
I can tell you heavy into the throttle on a 450 is anything but boring. Rearranging earth 😂
I agree easier to ride and easier to go faster on a 4stroke. But 2 strokes seem to just last forever and are so cheap and simple to wrench on.
And honestly people talk about how hard it is to tune a 2 stroke. All the years I’ve ridden two stroke since the early 90s I’ve hardly ever had to mess with jetting. More or less cleaning the carb out from sitting is what gets you.
Owned two stokes all my life, two months ago bought my first four stroke. Mostly I ride enduro trails, still getting used to the four stoke but overall it is so much forgiving than my two stoke. Nowadays I ran the two stroke when riding alone or in small groups, and take the four stoke when ridding in larger groups.
Well it's both easier and faster to eat food with a spoon as well. Doesn't mean it makes my meal more enjoyable.
Can't believe you went there, but agree 100% I grew up racing 2 strokes. Since I've went with 4 strokes as an old man now, the keys is the new developments. These new 4T are out of this world. Miss the ease of rebuilding a 2T, but that's about it these days.
2 strokes for ever
4 stroke is a political agenda, 2 stroke is freedom and fun.
EV is a political agenda
Everyone is going to have their own opinion on this, and to each their own. But, I will play devils advocate on many of these opinions.... Carbureted? If we're going to compare for the sake of buying a new bike, new 2-strokes are EFI as well. Although, many still prefer carb's due to the simplicity and reliability. Vibration? Any post-2017 counter-balanced KTM-based 2-stroke is smoother than a majority of the thumpers and fatigue riders less. Ease of riding? Corner on a 4-stroke, and then the exact same corner on the 2-stroke. The 4-stroke, even if the same weight, will always feel heavier due the abundance of parts rotating, causing the engines to act as huge gyroscopes and requiring more energy to turn and lean the bikes over. Maintenance....2-strokes win there as well...no valve shimming, no stretching came chains, no multiple oil filters. Technology...both have throttle mapping, both have EFI...sort of the bust there. Cost...2-strokes are less to purchase, and less to maintain. Ease of riding...sort of comes to tuning. If you throw a new riding on a 450 or 300....both will hurt. Both can be tuned to be "easier" the ride. I will say that you can be generally "lazier" on the thumper due to the torque.
In the end, each person have their preference. I learned on 2-strokes, but changed to thumpers when the 250F's started becoming popular, then a few 450s and 350s. But, after switching to primary off-road riding, I've gone back to 2-strokes and don't think I'll be riding another thumper off road for the reasons above. These 300 zingers just can't be beat. Ride on everyone!
Everything you said is correct. However, keep in mind that 25 years of RD has gone into 4 strokes. Just take a moment and think about 25 years of RD going into 2 strokes. You would probably be looking at a CR250 making 60hp and weighing 195lbs.
As much as I wish that were the case, it’s not reality. 2 strokes don’t have that much more room for development to get anywhere close to what you think. It did take an insane amount of work to get a 250 2 stroke even close to 60hp, let alone while only being 195lbs. Not even MXGP works bikes would be capable of those numbers. 250 2 strokes are only making 41-45hp stock. Even getting a new 450 to 60hp would take 1000s of dollars. The most powerful 450 doesn’t make more than 53hp stock even though the magazines lie about their dyno results. Don’t get me wrong,I’m a 2 stroke guy, I ride a YZ250 and a CR500, but even my 500 would need an exhaust and some porting to reach 60hp. I’m talking at the wheel not the crank like dirt bike magazine does when they say the new 450s are close to 60hp
@@slayerfan209 1975 CR250 33hp - 1985 CR250 43hp - 1995 CR250 59hp. I stand by what I said, if the same RD was going into 2-strokes you would have 250cc bikes weighing 195lbs and pushing 60+ hp (crank). Never underestimate technology and advancements.
@@bgjb-r1499 lmao at a 1995 CR250 making 59hp. Oooook bud, more like 39.
I recently started learning how to ride at the track and been having a few good days! I rode in the dessert for a while and chose a 2013 sx125 for the track and I love it way more than the 250f.
Oh no! Jay has come out of the closet.
Go woke go broke lol
@@LifeWideOpen780 He's sooo brave
For older riders sure
4 strokes are literally no more reliable than 2 strokes are. Further more, they cost much more to repair
Ok but I know for a fact you are not gonna want to ride a 125 four stroke.
👇🏽 2 stroke gang!
I have ridden 450s and 250 2 strokes my whole career I stopped riding for 2 years, last year I purchased a new rmz250 and it has made me fall in love with the sport again. I’m mostly Moto but for a vet rider the 250-350 4 strokes are so so good. I’ll ride 250fs for the rest of my riding. It’s so predictable.
I know this is controversial but most dudes would be better off on a 4-stroke 250 or 350
But I like my 450 couch 😂
I still think 2strokes take more ability to ride. The power band of any 2 stroke is harder to tame.
Saying 4strokes are better just because you have less abilty, doesnt really make any sense.
Just say you are a less experinced rider so you prefer a 4stroke over 2
2 stroke vs 4 stroke separates the boys from men
This is true. I ride a CR125 and it is really fun but I would like to buy a YZ250F because it is so much more powerful and easier to ride. I have to stay on the pipe with the 125 but I know I will be a better rider for riding it.
Keep your 4 Stokes,Love the two Strokes by Far ,an more fun to ride..
35+ years of riding and racing and I have never owned a 4t, but I really think my next bike will be a 350f
have both
@@JensenSoT I don’t know that I’ll ever get rid of my 300s. I absolutely love them, but I think for some of these sprint Enduro’s and the hare scrambles a four stroke would be a better bike
4 jokes suck, Not easier to ride at all. Engine braking adds a LOT of work to the ride. 2 strokes are MUCH smoother and it is easy to control the power. 4 stroke race bikes ONLY exist because of government control regulations. If it were not for the gov. we would have much much more advanced 2 stroke motors, i.e. power valves top and bottom of the ports, direct injection without premix OR injection pumps, etc.
If your not rich a 4 stroke is way more expensive to do a new top end on compared to a 2 stroke.
Two strokes rule! 💪. Four stroke “race bikes” are just a bad idea. Way too complicated and too heavy! Dirt bikes are not suppose to sound like lawn mowers😂!!
2 strokes are better!!! Easier to maintain cheaper an way more fun !!!
Good comparison, a lot of clutching at straws there.😝 You’re right though, what’s not so great about two strokes makes four strokes just better from an engineering/physics perspective. If I rationally had to chose to have just one bike it would be a 350XC-F… but there’s nothing rational about riding two strokes. The zing, the ping, the smell. 😍 My 23 300SX is the best KTM yet and I’d bet the 300XC is the best all round bike ever. You either do let you don’t, the four strokes are no longer the ticking time bombs they once were… but it’s a way of life either way. Keep it stinky FTW!🤘😝
Nothing replaces a 250 2stroke
i’ll never buy another 4 stroke again ON GOD
Wow I need to move, you hhave incredible riding areas!! What state you in?
Two-stroke engines were phased out by tough pollution laws and fuel economy targets, but they could be making a comeback with KTM, Honda and boutique builders. KTM and Honda have both registered patents for direct-injection two-stroke engines
This whole video feels like a troll post. Two strokes dominate off the track. They do fine on the track. However…These “advantages” you talk about, you did touch on this point: Two strokes have basically stopped development since the early two thousands. You only have a near 23 year tech advantage. But you know what? You still need double the displacement size to do what a much lighter and simpler system can do. I would tell you the opposite. You want a motorcycle that can do both? A jack of all trades? Get a 2 stroke KTM XC model.
4 strokes are better at maximizing profit for manufacturers
Nobody wants to rebuild a 10 or 15 year old forestroke anyways. I recently sold a 2012 KX450 in mint unused condition and I was surprised at the lack of interest. A classic 2 stroke fetches far more $.
This is the WHOLE answer to why 4stroke mx bikes exist. This is the 1 and only thing they are better at!
I love my old kdx 250....can keep up with 450.. kinda keep up with ktm two stroke 300.. and love seeing what nuts or bolts I lost after the ride.
Next bike TM EN 300 carb
Iv had both modern 4t and 2t my tpi I wish was carbed so bad I can't stand it its literally forsell even after tsp irk and everything it is a awesome bike but honestly I just want a carbed 2 stroke for my main bike I do love my kx250x but 2t is way cheaper to maintain way cheaper to upgrade and way easier to work on at home imo
All 2 strokes matter!
Drop the 4 stroke front leaning downhill in a woods hillclimb... try to pick it up..
Get back to me when some friends find ya and help ya out.
Just got a sherco250 2x. Couldn't be happier for tight single track riding.
There is a reason all the European enduro Champs ride 300s..
Best escenario is when going up a hill and for any reason you loses your momentum and rpms drops down low.....uh God to get that rpm back up on a 4 stroke it's like pushing poop with constipation issues..... 2 stroke will help you get back where you were instantly.❤
You many need to stop eating he soya products and eat some meat, its not that hard picking up a 4T !!
Crazy talk!!!!! Riding dirt bikes is all about the fun factor. Nothing is as fun as a 125, 250 or 300 two stroke on the pipe!
Okay. A quad is easier to ride than a bike so I'm switching.
Depends what terrain. On a sandy track give me a 450, on hardpack give me my 300xc which has a pleasant power delivery compared to any moto based two stroke.
Perfect ! Now all the girls are going to go out and get 4-strokes! 😋 Honestly, I choose to ride a 2-stroke (YZ250) because it does indeed take more skill, and when you do it right, its more fun. If I was going to race Moto seriously, I'd prolly race a 250F...and hate every minute of it 🤣 JK Braaap!
I strictly rode four strokes for most of my life and then recently got a 95 KTM 300 exc and I'm considerably faster in the woods on that bike even with an old chasis and suspension. On a moto track I suck regardless cause i haven't had much opportunity to ride moto but I'd probably be better on a four stroke but with the less engine braking, lighter weight, and lug ability of the 300 I'm night and day faster on tight trails and technical enduro stuff on a two stroke and thats mostly what i ride.
Its simple really if 4 strokes are so bloody good why are they still cheating????
If they ever let 250 two strokes race against the 250 fours there won’t be anymore debate. Four strokes are the motocross version of “equity and inclusion” so that’s a big fat nah for me.
What if we raced the same displacement vs the same displacement? You been lied to, Yamaha made up a shit rule that ruined true competition. If the truth was truth, we should have 450cc two strokes…but they lied, you cried, and you hot take is based on “easy to ride” which means far less skill. 🤡
I had my 23’ ktm 125 tuned, TPI tuning did it and it is awesome! Sure, I couldn’t tune it myself, but I’m very happy with it.
If you have money,4 stroke. If you wanna have money 2stroke.
I for the most part will never touch a track, i have 50 square miles of state forest to explore. 2stroke for me...
Im keen to try. So how do I put 2 extra strokes on my 19 Husky 300i?
Lmao💀
I ride and enjoy both 2 and 4 strokes. Who gives a shit what you ride, just Ride ! Why dudes worry about what another dude rides is beyond me.
You sound like those locos that are trying to push EV's on everyone!!! BRRAAAPPPP FOREVER!!!!!
I’ve been trying to find a blown up 12-15 CRF250. I ride and race a 97 cr250 and would like a thumper to throw around in the woods with my trail riding buddies.
It cost me more for 1 rebuild of 4 stroke than every rebuild of the 1990's.
Yep. Ridden both. 4t are easier to ride. I might switch if I get a permanent injury, get massively out of shape or they're still sold when I get old.
TPI GASGAS for me!
This debate is moot. Ca will require EV only on public BLM or Forrest land in 10 years. Can’t even register off-road bikes anymore
We are just going to have to agree to disagree Jay. 4 T are much easier, but 2T are so much more fun. Ride a 4T on a tight single track vs. a 2T. You might come to your senses.😂
On average a 4 stroke cyl head alone costs 3 times more to buy & ebuild than any average 2 stroke complete motor. It's why I built a CRF150RB w a CR125 motor for my son. Lighter faster cheaper no valves to check & won't punch rods through cases
4 strokes are maintenance hogs. If youre racing youre adjusting valves every other race or so. You say them being advanced is a pro but its a con in my books. Simple designs are more bulletproof because there less to go wrong. And having my whole bike computerized including no kickstart is not a pretty sight. If you need to rebuild a 2 stroke you can rebuild them on race day and go ride. A fourstroke takes a lot of disassembly and mechanical knowledge to take apart and put back together effectively making a typical father and son doing work on their bike a challenge. Lastly all of your riding critiques are personalized. Someone whos been raised on a 2 stroke or who mainly rides a 2 stroke will ride a 2 stroke better than a 4 stroke. Its the riding style you prefer in the end. The fact you cant carry momentum on a 300 two stroke out of all woods bikes shows your lack of riding skill on the bike. Also the 2 stroke is the do it all bud, try to take a 450 like youre saying in single track or tighter 2 track. Just start counting how many times you stall and overheat. And saying a 2 stroke mx bike cant compete on an mx track is some funny shit lmao
I have 160 hours on my 19 KX450 with one rebuild. The valves have never been out of spec. Same with my 15 CRF450. Changed a piston at 100 hours on that. Valves in spec. Valves do wear like people think. I race Moto not trail riding
@@stevesmith756 I would get 50 hours on valves same as a few buddies when racing. 50-100 hours for valves. If you change a piston at 100 hours on a fourstroke what the hells the point lol. I've put 100 on a 250 2 stroke easy. Hell my friend had a bike probably still does it's a 1998 cr250 and has 5 years on the top end. He's a weekend rider but damn he's out there riding every weekend and it hasn't choked
Here’s a point if 4 strokes are perfect like you say . I don’t see the top Hard Enduro riders like Bolt riding a 4 stroke at erzberg or Romaniacs or at any venue they race
True, but when Jarvis was asked which was better he said 2-strokes for hard enduro, 4-strokes for everything else.
@@BFord1 Bolt said the same, he only like 2T for the gnarliest sections, prefers 4T everywhere else.
It depends which one you pick they are the same as good i dont like loud stuff or gas smell so i like 4 stroke it does not matter
I love both. But modern 4 strokes are better for serious riding/racing.
In what universe?
4 months ago you guys said 2 strokes are better lmao
Get ready for the hate mail lol
4 strokes are the best bikes ever for beginners, novices and family ride events. Those with top physical condition who can keep the 2 stroke pinned with no lazy riding 4 stroke habits, you'll have the win every time, Just rebuilt my 2 stroke. New jug, top end lectron carb, $2,000. You could buy a new 2 stroke for the cost of replacing just the jug and valve train on 4 strokes. Absolutely ridiculous,. MG KTM also has great bikes as long as your not concerned with money, maintenance and time. KTM makes lots of money pushing the 4 stroke narrative, warehouses full of replacement parts.
Yes I agree because I also ride a 4 stroke.
2 stroke is much easier for enduro and hard enduro and difficult terrain, lower cost lighter more fun
2 stroke every day all day !! Especially for woods riding!
Maybe when im 60 i will ride 4t
2 smoke is for real mens. Anyone drives a 4 stroke
I still ride my two stroke more 😊
If your wrists are limp, go with a four stroke 😂😂
I like em both I’m gheyyyy
It's not about being easy it's about having fun and showing your better by riding a harder to ride bike
Bitchin retro looking Maico colored bike in your vid.
2bangas rule mate. They sound look are lighter cheaper and have nice powerband heaps more exciting to ride and motors can be repaired and serviced easily, with half the cc of 4strokes 2strokes have almost same power. Unless you're going for championship then 4stroke has ruined motocross. 500cc 2bangas got stopped as they said two much power. Then they double the cc of 4strokes against 2. Too many private tracks and secret riding areas have been shut because of noise complaints from wetfart 4s. No one used to know where we were riding. Bring back excitement to our sport and fan's will flock back. They can't handle listening to that constant loud noise and can't hear what individual riders are doing. Avagud1 mate think about it.
Rieju 300 (6 days) for an all around great time. For 6 days of pure fun.
Haha..This is just too radical. 2stroke forever❤❤❤ My 2stroke is the extention of my soul and those who made this video will go to hell. Let 2smoke be thy medicine👍
More stuff to break too on a 4 stroke 😂😂
Ktm 300 2 stroke plenty controllable counter balanced crank low vibration electric start...don't like fuel injected, sell the system and get a billetron. 4 strokes are boring and sound like a never ending wet fart.
Ive just bought my 1st ever bike and its a husky fe250 so i hope they are easier to ride 😅
Easy to sum updo U want to ride a tractor or a jet engine?