*Note* Regarding Length and Sound - Yep, this is a *LOOOOOOOONG* Review. However, for many users working in the Video Production and SMB market, this is likely to be their FIRST NAS after relying on cloud for years and years, so I have to cover *EVERYTHING*, as well as why PCIe4 in NAS is such a big deal! There will be a much, much shorter 'Before you Buy' 15min video on the QNAP TVS-874 NAS Soon. Additionally, this is my 2nd attempt at uploading this video and both times, the YT processing seems to dislike the recording (with audio syncing in/out at times). I am in discussion with RUclips over this, as these sync issues are not present in the original production before it was uploaded! Apologies for this and hopefully it will get straightened out soon.
Which software are you using? Are you recording sound externally? You can easily sync the audio using the camera audio in premiere etc. Messeage me here if you want to know how to do it. Love the channel. This channel makes me calm and happy. It's so nerdy and lovely
Qnap once again no w680 chip so no ecc support absolutely idiotic sorry and the 60mm fan is a pain ? I have solution for the fan but not the missing ecc
I am sure that they appreciate the content, or else they would not send me the loan samples that they do. QNAP especially are very communicative about review units and the UK team (if you are reading this QNAP, good luck trying to get this unit back...I am suddenly really deaf!). Syn UK is communicative too when it comes to content creation, but as they are quite secretive as a brand, it can make it a little complicated when it comes to future projects. I am proud to say that I have never been paid a penny by either brand to make my videos (even when times on the channel were harder and it would have been bloody useful), so I can be as impartial (that is code for 'rude' as I like). That said, one rep did once buy me a beer at a trade show and I didn't tell the tax man - shhh... keep that between me and you. Have a great week.
24:00 based on your comments about running VM's on the NVME, I installed a single 2Tb NVME and moved my virtual machines over there. From my Windows desktop, I connect to a Windows 11 pro VM using Microsoft's Remote Desktop Connection app. The Windows VM on the NAS runs as fast as Windows runs on my desktop. With two monitors, they sit side by side and you'd never know that one is a VM ( what was I expecting ??? ) Brilliant.
Thank you for a very comprehensive and albeit a long video, but you covered so much material in that time. I watched it as I wondered if it would have been a better choice to my TS-h1290FX. Fully agree with you about the open architecture and software on the QNAP NASs, that to me is a huge plus and the reason I went for QNAP 11 years ago, and my old 659 Pro NAS is still running now; I've also found their products to be extremely reliable. You mention the h874 is noisy. Ironwolf Pro 14TB drives are very very noisy, I'm using 8 x 7.68TB U2 NVMe drives in mine, and it is very very quiet. I agree QNAP were penny-pinching with only providing 2.5Gb NICs, I'm using a dual 10Gb card with PiHole and that gives me 20Gb bandwidth and editing 4k video on the fly is instantaneous. My 7.68TB NVMes do not get hot like the stick ones; I checked the SR of one of mine in a RAID 6 and I got 2.8GB! Plenty fast enough for gen 3 NVMes! You mentioned Plex, I just use the inbuilt DLNA server and somehow ISO blu-ray and DVD images transcode and play flawlessly on local TVs via the LAN. I really struggled with Plex, so I let local devices including TVs just navigate the folders to play the ISOs or video files. I have no use for HDMI sockets (mine does not have one). You didn't mention QPhoto is not available on QuTS hero so tagging of photos can't be done locally, but the tags can be analysed by QuMagie; the solution to this is tag on a QTS NAS and copy them over; I'll be semi-automating this process soon on our system soon. QVR Pro is plenty good enough for me, don't need QVR Elite, but it needs more horse than a TS-873; mine now runs well on a TVS-EC1080+. I've not sure how you get QNAP Club, I don't see that on mine. Also noticed you use Classic Start Menu too; I do on my 64GB Win 11 Pro machine; I've used that ever since Windows 7! Thanks again for a very complete, informative and comprehensive video, much appreciated. I made the right decision for our needs.
I have my NEW QNAP TVS-H874 NAS sitting here next to me to be put together and set-up! So glad you did this. I will watch it soon and set up my FIRST NAS! THANKS!
Next week my HUGE review of QNAP QuTS 5.1 should go live. Definitely keep an eye open for that one. When it is live, it will be here - ruclips.net/video/IMhZJPYF5fw/видео.html
This video is so underrated. Answered exactly the issue I was battling. Going with TS-453E-8G based off the 253 recommendation. thank you so much! Also, subbed💯!
One thing I didn't hear much about is the lack of ECC memory support. Has the guidance changed on the necessity of ECC when storing irreplaceable data?
Great video!! I like very much how thorough it is. One thing that I would love is if you mentioned how to attach the unit directly to a PC ( I know you have a previous video about that) and how to configure the static IP addresses on both. One question. Do you have any information about price and availability of the i7 and i9 chips models? They are mentioned on QNAP's website briefly, but there are impossible to find anywhere else on the internet. Also it would be fantastic if you can actually test performance transfer rates with different configurations.
it would be great if you dig into the tvs-h474 just because of how different it is. I think a lot of users would be trying to decide between that and the tvs-472xt, especially us creators who want to edit off of it but might be wanting scalability because their creative studios may grow
Amazing review Robbie!! Many thanks for all your efforts in covering everything. If only Synology pumped out a NAS with these specs... 👀 I've been on the fence from switching to this exact NAS, (from a DS1621+) but I also have concerns about the UHD graphics not being UHD770. There are several retailers in the US that still show it having the 770. The jump to the i9 version is a lot of $$$.
Thank you for the incredibly kind donation Brian (you sir have been a long term'er and I feel like I owe YOU money!!). I know I say this alot, but it really is bloody brilliant that people donate to me and Eddie. The money that is made from RUclips does NOT cover our costs (hence why we use ads on the blog too) and whenever someone donates (and most importantly, they do so of their own volition despite the fact they could just watch and read the content for free and leg it, thank you Ad-Blocker, etc) it really, REALLY gives us a mental boost!! Not only because it validates that we think that vid/article X is good, but also that we are getting better at what we do. Thank you Brian (or 'Brain' as my auto-correct keeps suggesting...tssk...bit arrogant mate!) for being a good spot, a great chap and a solid bloke! I owe you a pint!
MASSIVELY THANK YOU TO YOU Buddy! I'll respond to your other comment in a moment, but I just wanted to message you separately with thanks for the donation. Me and Eddie *completely* rely on ad revenue and donations (so RUclips ads, A few ad banners on the site and whatever people choose to donate over on KoFi to NASCompares), but as you can imagine for a channel of this size and a subject as fantastically niche as 'data storage', it is not exactly equivalent to a full-time income for both of us! So, donations big and small are ALWAYS appreciated, as we are well aware that you didn't have to and could of enjoyed the content without paying a penny! Cheers for being awesome buddy and have a lovely weekend and a banging Christmas!
Thank you! I was looking forward for a Qnap TVS hx74 review for a while. 😊 Just strange, at Qnap Germany you can find currenty no i7 nor i9 variant of it. Only h674 i3, h674 i5 and the h874 i5 are shown on Qnap Germany… Hope the other variants will be available in Germany too 😮
I know that @qnapuk are getting one or two of these in, as aside from it being a beast to demo, it will be the defacto choice for many. If you local Q location doesn't have it, you should see if they can help.
@@nascompares Terrific video. In a situation similar to Freddy Bird, where I am only able to locate the H874 i5 locally (United States). Assume that these are all using the FCLGA1700 socket? You mention a ton of upgrade customizations are possible, but is this also meant for a consumer to upgrade the processor -- should I wish to do that later?
you can shut up, they took my money ;-). Pulled the trigger and ordered the I5 version. It is going to be overkill for my needs now, but will be able to handle anything I need for years to come. Great- long but great - review. I love your channel. Always great info, understandable for the likes of me that have limited understanding of IT and networking.
Nice one! Never been an owner of QNAP still, as I was always thinking the CPUs were way too weak to power VMs (coming from the Enterprise level with huge NetApp, EMC, Oracle and other powerful SAN-Storage brands), but now it seems the game is changing! That opens the door for smooth inline source-side block base depulication, while running a few VMs at the same time! How to have the equivalent of a good small ESXi host at home! :)
@NASCompares What is the source of most of the noise? Drives or fans? Without giving much away how less noisy is the QNAP TVS-h674? Also, sorry you didn't demonstrate or go more into add in cards. For example is an add-in GTX 1650 better than the onboard CPU or GPU re Plex?
I was going to bin my little old TS-453D because I couldn't run Proxmox without using a USB drive. After a year of utter frustration, I just discovered that I can indeed boot from the two drives on the RHS nearest the power switch. I wish someone had posted this info somewhere that google search could find (ie; not here).
Robbie - any idea who will be selling the i9 version? I can only find the i5 on UK websites. There are two websites in the USA selling so may have to purchase there and ship back to the UK
Can I use any type of thunderbolt cards or anything to connect to my with just thunderbolt. I see the 2.5, 5, and 10gbe adapters but I dont want to use them if I dont have to
A top review! And the device is actually top-notch. If it weren't for QNAP's unspeakable licensing policy with QTS Hero. Here there is only QVR Elite for camera monitoring, which you have to buy through expensive monthly additional subscriptions. A NOGO for me. Overall, QNAP is going completely in the wrong direction with its camera monitoring solution and licensing. This should be included in the price of such an expensive product. I look forward to the next tests of the device.
This video is exactly what I needed as I am looking to set up a home media server for my family--which will need multiple 1080p streams and 4k in the near future. Alost every device in my house is Apple based (MacBooks, iPhones, iPads). So I am wondering how Apple compatible this unit is?
@NAScompares Dear Friend, First of all, thanks for the amazing review! I've bought a TVS-h874-i9 and i see there are some GPU that i can istall on it. My question is if there are other "new" GPUs that i can install on the TVS-h874. I was interested on the MSI GTX 1650 LP . Thanks a lot for your attention :)
2 года назад
Nice review, thanks! I have bought the smaller 4 bays version (TVS-H474). I would love to upgrade the CPU (Pentium Gold G7400) to an Intel Core. Looking at your video, it looks like this is the exact same cooling system you have with your much more powerfull Intel Core i5-12400. Therefore I have the feeling my unit would be able to cool down the same CPU but I might be wrong. How were your CPU temps under heavy load? How fast was the very little fan spinning under these conditions? I am afraid this upgrade would turn my NAS into an airport. Thank you!
awesome, i knew you would like it, i love it, i bought the 6 bay i5 [8 including SSDs] been waiting for this review, think I would cry if you didn't rate it, think this range will have some following maybe reaching cult status, it is a paradigm shift, have you seen the guy who modded/cut in a Quadro P2000 GPU, search YT, upgrading my network now, really interested in any future content, it is expensive and like a comment on here already there is always an argument to build your own, I could have done that but it just works no faffing about and you get a 3 year warranty now, plus optional 2 year extension......
Hello, I just ordered the QNAP TVS-h874X-i9-64G NAS. I’m in need of advice. I’m going to install 3 20tb drives and 2 nvme that are 1tb. My original thought was to use the nvme drives as a pool of the apps to live on like Plex. Should I do that, or use the nvme as cash?
In my TVS-672N i had installed 2 Samsung 970 Evo mvme drives as cashe installed. They were supported acording the compatibility list from Qnap for this nas. After 2 years both drives did die. Theese drives get VERY!!! HOT. I did know that so i installed big heatsinks on both drives but still they get VERY!!! HOT. At the same time the nas did die. After shutting the nas off i could not turn it on anymore. No lights, no nothing. When googling for more info i found out that very many people encountered the same problem. Qnap did extend the warenty on this nas from 2 years to 3 years witch i am glad they did because my nas was just over 2 years old. Qnap did replace the motherboard of the nas. Now it does work ok. Samsung also did replace my 970 Evo drives. I had 5 years waranty on theese drives. I think because the mvme cashe-drives wheere SOOOO HOT i think that could be a reason the motherboard did die after 2 years. Also cashedrives are being written very often constantly. I think that it will shorten the lifespan of theese mvme drives very quick. So for me NO mvme cashedrives anymore.
Has anyone thought about adding a SilverStone Technology FX600 to the TVS-h874 and then installing a powerful video card? Ideally I'm looking at a Plex Media Server and Gaming System All In One for the living room.
I wonder why your CPU says up to 4400mhz and mine says up to 3200mhz. I just purchased this model. Same processor. Only thing different is the firmware version I’m on a later one.
Just bought the 674 with the i5-12400, but might send it back. When it was announced there the graphics Even for the i5 was the uhd770 but now ist just the uhd730. You can still find pdf with the old Info.
I would first discuss it with QNAP about it if I was you. The i5 is the best middle-ground option between COST vs HARDWARE vs POWER Consumption (electricity bill etc) whilst still being the PCIe 4x4 NVMe and 4x16 PCIe slot. Depending on your need/use-case-scenario, you might be spending a good £500-100 more and not need to do so.
@@nascompares As I bought it from amazon I could just send it back. Usecase is more or less storage, but the pretty good ability for transcoding of the 770 is intresting. How much "worse" is the 730 in case of 4k transcode? Contact qnap wont help, its just like it is. This nas is pretty overpowered for me, but its a nice to have model
Good to see that some brands still know what's what, and know what to focus on, while others have become a proprietary circus act, defecating all over their customers. Btw. the audio/video sync is really out of whack on this one 😁
See pinned comment. Yeah, having an argument with YT over this, as the MKV (and MP4) that I uploaded are both fine, its on the YT side during processing that the sync changes pace periodically. I am hoping that this won;t need a re-upload and they can resolve their side
That test at the start to show power needs to go. Two vms sitting completely idle, and two video streams with deciding happening on your pc gpu is basically just a test of sending the same file to the same place twice. A raspberry pi should be able to pass this test. Not saying it's not a capable Nas, just that the test has to go.
Make 13:00 to 15:30 a short for youtube. Useful info
2 года назад
What will QNAP introduce in 2023? Maybe it will reintroduce again the TS-464T4 Thunderbolt that was presented at CES2022 and nobody knows anything about it?
Truly the king of NAS... but at that price point I feel like you could probably get a used Supermicro rack chassis and probably build something more powerful, then put TrueNAS Scale on it and end up with something much better.
Any idea why, if we decide to use Google pay to say thanks, they charge tax ? And thank you very much for the non-stop education. And just to prove that I haven't missed a single lesson... ROOTER, ROOTER, ROOTER...
Disclaimer - you have NO IDEA how hard it was to compose this message whilst my cat kept batting at the keys - photos.app.goo.gl/pin6k1CbUymNB5587 Ok, so a lot to unpack here *puts on glasses*... well... *removes glasses, as my eyesight is fine*. personally, when I donate to content creators or business, I always favour direct paypal payments or using KoFi, as it hugely limits any additional charges in between me and the person/site I am supporting. I was unaware that tax was applied to Google donations, which (because tax happens again when its received) is something of a bummer, yeah! tbh, whwn I am on the receiving end, I am always so busy being gratified about donations (again people can just watch this stuff for free and then wander off) that I never really stop and think about the tax that is being creamed off the top by...well...everyone (Google, the tax man, suspicious admin charges, etc). I should probably be a little more on top of that! Cheers for engaging with the channel in 2022 mate...oh... and I think you will find it is pronounced 'magic internet lunchbox'. Its an easy mistake to make. its the 'O' and 'U' being so close together. Toodle pip and death to the seagulls!
Just saw it! You sir are an absolute HERO! Thanks for being an absolute top bloke and for supporting what me and Eddie do. I won't lie and say that this isn't hard work sometimes, but it genuinely is our personal passion to peruse this stuff and it's chuffing marvel's like yourself that keep the lights on. You have my personal thanks and if you are ever passing through the UK and nearby, I owe you a pint... A big one! Merry Christmas!
Very nice array indeed. But a bit too overpriced. I decided to check quickly for prices of components to build DIY SAN/NAS appliance. Without disks we can build solutions for nearly 50% of qnap price, and it's all built using brand new components. I don't think qnap software is worth additional 2000€. There's no doubt it's very convenient package to just plug and play, but if someone was to put a bit of effort (assuming necessary hardware/software skills) into building it themselves, they can save bucks. Intel Core i5-12400 - 200€ Motherboard ASRock Z790 STEEL LEGEND - 340€ (3 * PCIe4.0 x16) Kingston Fury Beast Black 32GB DDR5 RAM = 150 * 2 = 300€ (for 64GB RAM) Lenovo ISG TS Intel X550-T2 Dual Port 10GBase-T Adapter = 700€ (could pick up used card from ebay for less than 200€) Phantek enthoo pro eATX case (6 internal 3.5 disk bays) = 150€ ToughArmor MB608SP-B Rugged 6 x 2.5" SAS/SATA HDD/SSD Mobile Rack Enclosure for 5.25" Bay = 170€ LSI 9300-16i SATA/SAS HBA (used from ebay, PCIe 3.0) = 300€ SAS cabling = 100€ Hardware total cost (without disks): 2260€ Hardware total cost without disks (with used dual 10Gb NIC): 1760€ Disks: Seagate IronWolf Pro ST14000NE0008 14TB = 370€ x 6 = 2220€ SSD 2TB disk (consumer-grade) = 200€ x 6 = 1200€ Total cost with disks: 5680€ Total cost with disks (used 10Gb NIC): 5180€
Tough to argue with you on that one! The only counterpoint QNAP could/would make (and one you highlight already) is the turn-key nature of the solution. That and the single point of warranty - but warranty should only really be a negotiating factor if you are worried about failure and restoration of services, which more I.T versed people will be able to easily navigate. I think businesses will almost certainly shrug (or at the very least internally obsorb) the additional costs for a pre-build solution like this, but yeah, in terms of value for money on the hardware it loses out to DiY. Remind me of the Console vs PC argument, I use both, but I know my PS5 costs way more than building it myself (though, not by as much as previous generations), but the sofa-convenience, ease of deployment, consistent gameplay experience and ease of use win me over. On a side note, thank you so, so much for your donation. It genuinely means the world to me and Eddie that people will go out of their way to actually PAY for our content, when they could so easily just watch free and lets the ads (which pay fractions of pennies) do the heavy lifting. You sir are a gentleman and have my undying friendship and respect!
No buddy, thank YOU! I am well aware how repetitious I sound, but it really, really means the world to me and Eddie when people go out of their way to donate. It would have been really easy to just watch this vid on the QNAP, skips the ads, ignore the links and be on your merry way...so when people stop and 'tip', it feels so bloody great and validating for what we do. You rock, sir! And I hope you have a wonderful crimble!
*Note* Regarding Length and Sound - Yep, this is a *LOOOOOOOONG* Review. However, for many users working in the Video Production and SMB market, this is likely to be their FIRST NAS after relying on cloud for years and years, so I have to cover *EVERYTHING*, as well as why PCIe4 in NAS is such a big deal! There will be a much, much shorter 'Before you Buy' 15min video on the QNAP TVS-874 NAS Soon. Additionally, this is my 2nd attempt at uploading this video and both times, the YT processing seems to dislike the recording (with audio syncing in/out at times). I am in discussion with RUclips over this, as these sync issues are not present in the original production before it was uploaded! Apologies for this and hopefully it will get straightened out soon.
i got it weeks ago. It is my first NAS and i am trying to learn how to use it from watching these video.
Good coverage.. high end nas need detailed reviews.. Nice one
Which software are you using? Are you recording sound externally? You can easily sync the audio using the camera audio in premiere etc. Messeage me here if you want to know how to do it. Love the channel. This channel makes me calm and happy. It's so nerdy and lovely
Qnap once again no w680 chip so no ecc support absolutely idiotic sorry and the 60mm fan is a pain ? I have solution for the fan but not the missing ecc
I certainly hope QNAP & Synology appreciate your content. The best source on RUclips for NAS information - phenomenal review. Thanks again!
I am sure that they appreciate the content, or else they would not send me the loan samples that they do. QNAP especially are very communicative about review units and the UK team (if you are reading this QNAP, good luck trying to get this unit back...I am suddenly really deaf!). Syn UK is communicative too when it comes to content creation, but as they are quite secretive as a brand, it can make it a little complicated when it comes to future projects. I am proud to say that I have never been paid a penny by either brand to make my videos (even when times on the channel were harder and it would have been bloody useful), so I can be as impartial (that is code for 'rude' as I like). That said, one rep did once buy me a beer at a trade show and I didn't tell the tax man - shhh... keep that between me and you. Have a great week.
*pops extra lock on the office door* Make my day...
@@nascompares Agree great channel and learned a lot. Thank you!
24:00 based on your comments about running VM's on the NVME, I installed a single 2Tb NVME and moved my virtual machines over there. From my Windows desktop, I connect to a Windows 11 pro VM using Microsoft's Remote Desktop Connection app. The Windows VM on the NAS runs as fast as Windows runs on my desktop. With two monitors, they sit side by side and you'd never know that one is a VM ( what was I expecting ??? ) Brilliant.
Thank you for a very comprehensive and albeit a long video, but you covered so much material in that time.
I watched it as I wondered if it would have been a better choice to my TS-h1290FX.
Fully agree with you about the open architecture and software on the QNAP NASs, that to me is a huge plus and the reason I went for QNAP 11 years ago, and my old 659 Pro NAS is still running now; I've also found their products to be extremely reliable.
You mention the h874 is noisy. Ironwolf Pro 14TB drives are very very noisy, I'm using 8 x 7.68TB U2 NVMe drives in mine, and it is very very quiet. I agree QNAP were penny-pinching with only providing 2.5Gb NICs, I'm using a dual 10Gb card with PiHole and that gives me 20Gb bandwidth and editing 4k video on the fly is instantaneous.
My 7.68TB NVMes do not get hot like the stick ones; I checked the SR of one of mine in a RAID 6 and I got 2.8GB! Plenty fast enough for gen 3 NVMes!
You mentioned Plex, I just use the inbuilt DLNA server and somehow ISO blu-ray and DVD images transcode and play flawlessly on local TVs via the LAN. I really struggled with Plex, so I let local devices including TVs just navigate the folders to play the ISOs or video files. I have no use for HDMI sockets (mine does not have one).
You didn't mention QPhoto is not available on QuTS hero so tagging of photos can't be done locally, but the tags can be analysed by QuMagie; the solution to this is tag on a QTS NAS and copy them over; I'll be semi-automating this process soon on our system soon.
QVR Pro is plenty good enough for me, don't need QVR Elite, but it needs more horse than a TS-873; mine now runs well on a TVS-EC1080+.
I've not sure how you get QNAP Club, I don't see that on mine.
Also noticed you use Classic Start Menu too; I do on my 64GB Win 11 Pro machine; I've used that ever since Windows 7!
Thanks again for a very complete, informative and comprehensive video, much appreciated. I made the right decision for our needs.
*smashes like button because another user uses Windows Classic Shell plugin for start menu*
I have my NEW QNAP TVS-H874 NAS sitting here next to me to be put together and set-up! So glad you did this. I will watch it soon and set up my FIRST NAS! THANKS!
Next week my HUGE review of QNAP QuTS 5.1 should go live. Definitely keep an eye open for that one. When it is live, it will be here - ruclips.net/video/IMhZJPYF5fw/видео.html
This video is so underrated. Answered exactly the issue I was battling. Going with TS-453E-8G based off the 253 recommendation. thank you so much! Also, subbed💯!
One thing I didn't hear much about is the lack of ECC memory support. Has the guidance changed on the necessity of ECC when storing irreplaceable data?
Great video!! I like very much how thorough it is. One thing that I would love is if you mentioned how to attach the unit directly to a PC ( I know you have a previous video about that) and how to configure the static IP addresses on both.
One question. Do you have any information about price and availability of the i7 and i9 chips models? They are mentioned on QNAP's website briefly, but there are impossible to find anywhere else on the internet.
Also it would be fantastic if you can actually test performance transfer rates with different configurations.
it would be great if you dig into the tvs-h474 just because of how different it is. I think a lot of users would be trying to decide between that and the tvs-472xt, especially us creators who want to edit off of it but might be wanting scalability because their creative studios may grow
Thank you, I bought one for the office after hours of watching your video. 👍
I wish Synology took a note. One can only dream. 🙈
Amazing review Robbie!! Many thanks for all your efforts in covering everything. If only Synology pumped out a NAS with these specs... 👀
I've been on the fence from switching to this exact NAS, (from a DS1621+) but I also have concerns about the UHD graphics not being UHD770. There are several retailers in the US that still show it having the 770. The jump to the i9 version is a lot of $$$.
Looks like I m not the only one being sad about the wrong announced specs… and I have it right next to me
Thank you for the incredibly kind donation Brian (you sir have been a long term'er and I feel like I owe YOU money!!). I know I say this alot, but it really is bloody brilliant that people donate to me and Eddie. The money that is made from RUclips does NOT cover our costs (hence why we use ads on the blog too) and whenever someone donates (and most importantly, they do so of their own volition despite the fact they could just watch and read the content for free and leg it, thank you Ad-Blocker, etc) it really, REALLY gives us a mental boost!! Not only because it validates that we think that vid/article X is good, but also that we are getting better at what we do. Thank you Brian (or 'Brain' as my auto-correct keeps suggesting...tssk...bit arrogant mate!) for being a good spot, a great chap and a solid bloke! I owe you a pint!
Thanks!
MASSIVELY THANK YOU TO YOU Buddy! I'll respond to your other comment in a moment, but I just wanted to message you separately with thanks for the donation. Me and Eddie *completely* rely on ad revenue and donations (so RUclips ads, A few ad banners on the site and whatever people choose to donate over on KoFi to NASCompares), but as you can imagine for a channel of this size and a subject as fantastically niche as 'data storage', it is not exactly equivalent to a full-time income for both of us! So, donations big and small are ALWAYS appreciated, as we are well aware that you didn't have to and could of enjoyed the content without paying a penny! Cheers for being awesome buddy and have a lovely weekend and a banging Christmas!
@@nascompares You guys are the greatest. I just wish I could afford more of the gear you post about. 😃
Thank you! I was looking forward for a Qnap TVS hx74 review for a while. 😊
Just strange, at Qnap Germany you can find currenty no i7 nor i9 variant of it.
Only h674 i3, h674 i5 and the h874 i5 are shown on Qnap Germany…
Hope the other variants will be available in Germany too 😮
I know that @qnapuk are getting one or two of these in, as aside from it being a beast to demo, it will be the defacto choice for many. If you local Q location doesn't have it, you should see if they can help.
@@nascompares Terrific video. In a situation similar to Freddy Bird, where I am only able to locate the H874 i5 locally (United States). Assume that these are all using the FCLGA1700 socket? You mention a ton of upgrade customizations are possible, but is this also meant for a consumer to upgrade the processor -- should I wish to do that later?
my TVS-h874T intel i9 64GB with an additional qnap m2 card with extra 2 x m2 slots and 10G port arrives tomorrow cant wait!! only paid £2500!!
you can shut up, they took my money ;-). Pulled the trigger and ordered the I5 version. It is going to be overkill for my needs now, but will be able to handle anything I need for years to come. Great- long but great - review. I love your channel. Always great info, understandable for the likes of me that have limited understanding of IT and networking.
Nice one! Never been an owner of QNAP still, as I was always thinking the CPUs were way too weak to power VMs (coming from the Enterprise level with huge NetApp, EMC, Oracle and other powerful SAN-Storage brands), but now it seems the game is changing! That opens the door for smooth inline source-side block base depulication, while running a few VMs at the same time! How to have the equivalent of a good small ESXi host at home! :)
Could you do a video about the differences in benefits between these 2Q nap models?
TVS-h1688X VS TVS-h874X-i9
Thank you , Thank you!
I agree that it should have came with 10gbe onboard.
@NASCompares What is the source of most of the noise? Drives or fans? Without giving much away how less noisy is the QNAP TVS-h674? Also, sorry you didn't demonstrate or go more into add in cards. For example is an add-in GTX 1650 better than the onboard CPU or GPU re Plex?
I was going to bin my little old TS-453D because I couldn't run Proxmox without using a USB drive. After a year of utter frustration, I just discovered that I can indeed boot from the two drives on the RHS nearest the power switch. I wish someone had posted this info somewhere that google search could find (ie; not here).
Robbie - any idea who will be selling the i9 version? I can only find the i5 on UK websites. There are two websites in the USA selling so may have to purchase there and ship back to the UK
What size NVMe would you recommend as a cache for a 4x12TB raid 10 using ZFS. I basically just back up home computers and stream Plex movies.
Does it support burification so you could put an additional 4 M2 NVME drives in it as well as two 10GB NICs?
Can I use any type of thunderbolt cards or anything to connect to my with just thunderbolt. I see the 2.5, 5, and 10gbe adapters but I dont want to use them if I dont have to
Quick question is the processor in the NAS socketed ?
A top review! And the device is actually top-notch. If it weren't for QNAP's unspeakable licensing policy with QTS Hero. Here there is only QVR Elite for camera monitoring, which you have to buy through expensive monthly additional subscriptions. A NOGO for me. Overall, QNAP is going completely in the wrong direction with its camera monitoring solution and licensing. This should be included in the price of such an expensive product. I look forward to the next tests of the device.
This video is exactly what I needed as I am looking to set up a home media server for my family--which will need multiple 1080p streams and 4k in the near future. Alost every device in my house is Apple based (MacBooks, iPhones, iPads). So I am wondering how Apple compatible this unit is?
Would a GPU be beneficial here for transcoding?
@NAScompares Dear Friend, First of all, thanks for the amazing review! I've bought a TVS-h874-i9 and i see there are some GPU that i can istall on it. My question is if there are other "new" GPUs that i can install on the TVS-h874. I was interested on the MSI GTX 1650 LP .
Thanks a lot for your attention :)
Nice review, thanks!
I have bought the smaller 4 bays version (TVS-H474). I would love to upgrade the CPU (Pentium Gold G7400) to an Intel Core. Looking at your video, it looks like this is the exact same cooling system you have with your much more powerfull Intel Core i5-12400. Therefore I have the feeling my unit would be able to cool down the same CPU but I might be wrong. How were your CPU temps under heavy load? How fast was the very little fan spinning under these conditions? I am afraid this upgrade would turn my NAS into an airport. Thank you!
Does it accept double sided NVME´s or just single side?
So this has front slots for hdd and internal slots for ssd?
I'm confused, an old review you did of the TVS-882-i5-16G already had the i5 and that was a few years ago. This model number is lower, TVS-874h ....
WOW, me likie... Great reveiw. Snap I gotta get me one of those...
Its a monster!
Can I swap out cpu to I7, 13Th gen? I was given that cpu with integrated graphics
What is better for 4k plex videos, the TVS-H874 or TVS-H1288X ? Also is there a 12 bay synology that is close to performance ?
awesome, i knew you would like it, i love it, i bought the 6 bay i5 [8 including SSDs] been waiting for this review, think I would cry if you didn't rate it, think this range will have some following maybe reaching cult status, it is a paradigm shift, have you seen the guy who modded/cut in a Quadro P2000 GPU, search YT, upgrading my network now, really interested in any future content, it is expensive and like a comment on here already there is always an argument to build your own, I could have done that but it just works no faffing about and you get a 3 year warranty now, plus optional 2 year extension......
Yes I saw that custom GPU mod for the P2000. I'd be curious if that GPU (P2000) would have fit in the 8 Bay (TVS-h874) instead.
Hello, I just ordered the QNAP TVS-h874X-i9-64G NAS. I’m in need of advice. I’m going to install 3 20tb drives and 2 nvme that are 1tb. My original thought was to use the nvme drives as a pool of the apps to live on like Plex. Should I do that, or use the nvme as cash?
Use the NVME drives to install the apps.
Have you been able to install anything from qnap blub on QTS 5.0.1? I have not been able to on my TS451+
In my TVS-672N i had installed 2 Samsung 970 Evo mvme drives as cashe installed. They were supported acording the compatibility list from Qnap for this nas.
After 2 years both drives did die. Theese drives get VERY!!! HOT. I did know that so i installed big heatsinks on both drives but still they get VERY!!! HOT.
At the same time the nas did die. After shutting the nas off i could not turn it on anymore. No lights, no nothing. When googling for more info i found out that very many people encountered the same problem.
Qnap did extend the warenty on this nas from 2 years to 3 years witch i am glad they did because my nas was just over 2 years old. Qnap did replace the motherboard of the nas. Now it does work ok.
Samsung also did replace my 970 Evo drives. I had 5 years waranty on theese drives.
I think because the mvme cashe-drives wheere SOOOO HOT i think that could be a reason the motherboard did die after 2 years. Also cashedrives are being written very often constantly. I think that it will shorten the lifespan of theese mvme drives very quick.
So for me NO mvme cashedrives anymore.
Can do something on qnap nas for virtual host for hosting html ccs websites
Can it do Dolby Atmos?
Can you compare the 874 against the 1280
Review the 4-bay tvs-h474 please
On it!
Can you give it a try and swap CPU (eg. i5 -> i7) yourself ? It's also interesting if different CPU flavours got different CPU heatsinks and PSUs ?
Has anyone thought about adding a SilverStone Technology FX600 to the TVS-h874 and then installing a powerful video card? Ideally I'm looking at a Plex Media Server and Gaming System All In One for the living room.
I wonder why your CPU says up to 4400mhz and mine says up to 3200mhz. I just purchased this model. Same processor. Only thing different is the firmware version I’m on a later one.
Just bought the 674 with the i5-12400, but might send it back. When it was announced there the graphics Even for the i5 was the uhd770 but now ist just the uhd730. You can still find pdf with the old Info.
I would first discuss it with QNAP about it if I was you. The i5 is the best middle-ground option between COST vs HARDWARE vs POWER Consumption (electricity bill etc) whilst still being the PCIe 4x4 NVMe and 4x16 PCIe slot. Depending on your need/use-case-scenario, you might be spending a good £500-100 more and not need to do so.
@@nascompares As I bought it from amazon I could just send it back. Usecase is more or less storage, but the pretty good ability for transcoding of the 770 is intresting. How much "worse" is the 730 in case of 4k transcode? Contact qnap wont help, its just like it is. This nas is pretty overpowered for me, but its a nice to have model
Good to see that some brands still know what's what, and know what to focus on, while others have become a proprietary circus act, defecating all over their customers.
Btw. the audio/video sync is really out of whack on this one 😁
See pinned comment. Yeah, having an argument with YT over this, as the MKV (and MP4) that I uploaded are both fine, its on the YT side during processing that the sync changes pace periodically. I am hoping that this won;t need a re-upload and they can resolve their side
Thunderbolt card coming to TVS-h874? What's happening to the 4-bay Thunderbolt 4 NAS? When are we gonna see new Thunderbolt NAS fr QNAP?
Audio and video still out of sync. Why???
That test at the start to show power needs to go. Two vms sitting completely idle, and two video streams with deciding happening on your pc gpu is basically just a test of sending the same file to the same place twice. A raspberry pi should be able to pass this test.
Not saying it's not a capable Nas, just that the test has to go.
Make 13:00 to 15:30 a short for youtube. Useful info
What will QNAP introduce in 2023? Maybe it will reintroduce again the TS-464T4 Thunderbolt that was presented at CES2022 and nobody knows anything about it?
THIS!!!!!!!;
Did i read correctly that the HDMI is 1.4???
Yep, that perplexed me a bit too
You forgot b ;) But still QNAP here sucks big time... :(
The price☹
Truly the king of NAS... but at that price point I feel like you could probably get a used Supermicro rack chassis and probably build something more powerful, then put TrueNAS Scale on it and end up with something much better.
Do you ever actually turn the thing on or do you just waffle on for 80 minutes?
Any idea why, if we decide to use Google pay to say thanks, they charge tax ? And thank you very much for the non-stop education. And just to prove that I haven't missed a single lesson... ROOTER, ROOTER, ROOTER...
Disclaimer - you have NO IDEA how hard it was to compose this message whilst my cat kept batting at the keys - photos.app.goo.gl/pin6k1CbUymNB5587
Ok, so a lot to unpack here *puts on glasses*... well... *removes glasses, as my eyesight is fine*. personally, when I donate to content creators or business, I always favour direct paypal payments or using KoFi, as it hugely limits any additional charges in between me and the person/site I am supporting. I was unaware that tax was applied to Google donations, which (because tax happens again when its received) is something of a bummer, yeah! tbh, whwn I am on the receiving end, I am always so busy being gratified about donations (again people can just watch this stuff for free and then wander off) that I never really stop and think about the tax that is being creamed off the top by...well...everyone (Google, the tax man, suspicious admin charges, etc). I should probably be a little more on top of that! Cheers for engaging with the channel in 2022 mate...oh... and I think you will find it is pronounced 'magic internet lunchbox'. Its an easy mistake to make. its the 'O' and 'U' being so close together. Toodle pip and death to the seagulls!
@@nascompares 50 GBP sent via Paypal.
Just saw it! You sir are an absolute HERO! Thanks for being an absolute top bloke and for supporting what me and Eddie do. I won't lie and say that this isn't hard work sometimes, but it genuinely is our personal passion to peruse this stuff and it's chuffing marvel's like yourself that keep the lights on. You have my personal thanks and if you are ever passing through the UK and nearby, I owe you a pint... A big one! Merry Christmas!
P.s. Canadian Geese sound more aggressive than English seagulls...that said...our seagulls know EXACTLY where to find a bacon butty at short notice!
@@nascompares I was just there for 3 weeks ( London, Scotland, Canterbury). My favourite place to travel.
Very nice array indeed. But a bit too overpriced. I decided to check quickly for prices of components to build DIY SAN/NAS appliance. Without disks we can build solutions for nearly 50% of qnap price, and it's all built using brand new components. I don't think qnap software is worth additional 2000€. There's no doubt it's very convenient package to just plug and play, but if someone was to put a bit of effort (assuming necessary hardware/software skills) into building it themselves, they can save bucks.
Intel Core i5-12400 - 200€
Motherboard ASRock Z790 STEEL LEGEND - 340€ (3 * PCIe4.0 x16)
Kingston Fury Beast Black 32GB DDR5 RAM = 150 * 2 = 300€ (for 64GB RAM)
Lenovo ISG TS Intel X550-T2 Dual Port 10GBase-T Adapter = 700€ (could pick up used card from ebay for less than 200€)
Phantek enthoo pro eATX case (6 internal 3.5 disk bays) = 150€
ToughArmor MB608SP-B Rugged 6 x 2.5" SAS/SATA HDD/SSD Mobile Rack Enclosure for 5.25" Bay = 170€
LSI 9300-16i SATA/SAS HBA (used from ebay, PCIe 3.0) = 300€
SAS cabling = 100€
Hardware total cost (without disks): 2260€
Hardware total cost without disks (with used dual 10Gb NIC): 1760€
Disks:
Seagate IronWolf Pro ST14000NE0008 14TB = 370€ x 6 = 2220€
SSD 2TB disk (consumer-grade) = 200€ x 6 = 1200€
Total cost with disks: 5680€
Total cost with disks (used 10Gb NIC): 5180€
Tough to argue with you on that one! The only counterpoint QNAP could/would make (and one you highlight already) is the turn-key nature of the solution. That and the single point of warranty - but warranty should only really be a negotiating factor if you are worried about failure and restoration of services, which more I.T versed people will be able to easily navigate. I think businesses will almost certainly shrug (or at the very least internally obsorb) the additional costs for a pre-build solution like this, but yeah, in terms of value for money on the hardware it loses out to DiY. Remind me of the Console vs PC argument, I use both, but I know my PS5 costs way more than building it myself (though, not by as much as previous generations), but the sofa-convenience, ease of deployment, consistent gameplay experience and ease of use win me over. On a side note, thank you so, so much for your donation. It genuinely means the world to me and Eddie that people will go out of their way to actually PAY for our content, when they could so easily just watch free and lets the ads (which pay fractions of pennies) do the heavy lifting. You sir are a gentleman and have my undying friendship and respect!
I once bought ‘Hamlet by William Shakespeare’ but found I could just put the letters together myself for free. I won’t be buying any books again.
@@shadowhunter5348 Funny analogy, but not applicable in this scenario.
Thanks!
No buddy, thank YOU! I am well aware how repetitious I sound, but it really, really means the world to me and Eddie when people go out of their way to donate. It would have been really easy to just watch this vid on the QNAP, skips the ads, ignore the links and be on your merry way...so when people stop and 'tip', it feels so bloody great and validating for what we do. You rock, sir! And I hope you have a wonderful crimble!