ATEM Mini Sound Settings - Compressor, EQ, Limiter, Expander
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- Опубликовано: 2 май 2020
- In today’s episode we run through how to setup the EQ, compressor, expander, and limiter in the Blackmagic Design ATEM Mini and ATEM Mini Pro. This will help you achieve better sound on your livestreams. And, the settings we cover can work in other situations as well such as post processing video sound or when using other hardware.
#ATEMMini #ATEMMiniPro #Sound
If you’d like to learn how to make great dialogue audio for your film and video projects, please have a look at my courses at school.learnlightandsound.com including processing dialogue audio in Adobe Audition and DaVinci Resolve/Fairlight, recording sound, how to use the Zoom F4, F8, and F8n, and how to get the most from the Sound Devices MixPre series of recorders.
Gear used or mentioned in this episode. The links below are Amazon.com, B&H Photo, Sweetwater Sound or other affiliate links. As an affiliate, I earn from qualifying purchases:
- Blackmagic Design ATEM Mini Pro live-streaming USB capture device and switcher - B&H, Amazon geni.us/qCJjn1
- Blackmagic Design ATEM Mini Pro live-streaming USB capture device and switcher - B&H, Amazon geni.us/cjVNcQz
- RODE NT1 microphone - B&H, Sweetwater, Amazon geni.us/Uz0w
- Sound Devices MixPre audio mixer/recorder - B&H, Sweetwater, Amazon geni.us/O8e0
- Canon C200 camera used as the main camera here - B&H, Pictureline geni.us/9Zi4m4a
- Panasonic GH5 used as the overhead camera here - B&H, Pictureline, Amazon geni.us/POEv7
- Olympus 45mm f/1.8 lens for GH5 - B&H, Amazon geni.us/ZBKI
- Canon EF 24-105mm f/4L lens for C200 - B&H, Pictureline, Amazon geni.us/kZyU7e
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Copyright 2020, Curtis Judd
Yes, this all works with the ATEM Mini Extreme models as well. 👍
Wow. Just wow. I’ve been poking around in my ATEM MIni Pro audio settings and got lost a bit. You clarified everything I needed to know in one video. Hats off to you sir. 🎓
I 2nd Kevin's comment. 100%
Thanks KevKev.
Thanks RemekTek Media!
I agree completely, thx a lot 👍🏻🙋🏻♂️
We are lost too. So thank you. Helps us out of theAtem audio hell 😊
This thing is crazy! People who haven’t worked much in broadcast have no idea... a tiny desktop thingy with built-in input scaling, full camera control, audio effects, AND a webcam encoder and livestream encoder? I can’t call it a switcher, because it’s truly a full broadcast equipment rack room in one tiny box. I have a rack with about $6,500 invested (ATEM HD, Vaddio bridge, 4ea DAC-70, 2ea Decimator, a few BM mini converters, plus DA’s) in what just last year was the simplest, smallest package to achieve most of that. This unit revolutionizes broadcast like the iphone revolutionized mobile communication. They are proving their namesake with this stuff.
The engineering for the audio sync delay gets a little tricky when you start considering all possibilities. Its can’t be as simple as a single sync value, because each video source can be different. Example, one camera can be 7 frames, another 9, and if you’re rolling in produced packages from a laptop, that’ll be already in sync. If you have only one delay line, you’ll wind up with only one of those inputs in sync. To fully fix that, they’ll need to add an adjustable delay for each video source as well as the program audio, so that all video sources are adjusted to the same total latency (highest denominator), and adjust the audio line to match.
So glad you said this. Some people left comments on other videos that they thought the ATEM Mini - the original - was too expensive. Not once you put this in context like you did.
@@andinbriwel1092 Good point. My use case is a little more straightforward since it is usually just me with a talking head camera, an overhead camera for product demonstrations, and an input from a presentation computer. But you make a great point - clearly you have your hands in the live production world. Thanks for the insights!
Adrian in thr broadcast world with multiple cameras and multiple frame delays like you mentioned, how have they been solving this problem. I have been doing quite a lot of research about this audio sync issue. Can you please explain how this issue has been tackled over the years
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Always use this video for audio settings ☺
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I'm a relative newbie to audio processing, and total newbie to ATEM Mini... This was just what I needed. Curtis, as usual, is an incredible source for information and learning. Thank you!!!
Thanks saltforkmedia!
Curtis. This was absolutely great. Thank you so much. I just ordered the ATEM Mini Pro and this tutorial will help me immensely.
Thanks Indigo!
Nice job, Curtis. As a retired teacher I can tell that you have a gift for clear instruction. You are one of the very few you-tubers that I subscribe to. I'm still waiting for my Atem Mini Pro. Should be here in a couple of weeks. As an aside, my father was a sound engineer and he gave me the bug at an early age. He would be astounded at what can be done today. I remember his reverb chamber was a 4ft x 8ft piece of sheet metal housed in a wooden box with pick-ups attached to the metal.. It sounded wonderful.
Bob Orrett, Peterborough, Ontario.
Hi Bob, thanks! I wish I could hear that reverb!
Thanks Curtis! I’m a long-time Canadian sound mixer usually working in TV and movies, but thanks to Covid, I’ve recently been doing a lot of corporate webinar work. “Broadcast” audio levels have gone right out the window in this webinar Wild West! “ Can’t you make it LOUDER!”? Why, yes I can. Your comments have given me the courage to wrest control of the ATEM audio mixer from the IT guys’ hands. Such a powerful software mixer. Time for me to use it to it’s best advantage. Love your work, you’re always spot on.
Hi Chris, Thanks much and best wishes wresting the ATEM from the IT guys! 😉
I need to grab one of these. Good explanation as always CJ.
Thanks Darious! Hope you're staying well!
Thank you! One of the most informative videos I have seen. Clear, direct and to the point. I have shared this several times already. Blackmagic should hire you do their instructional videos - seriously. Thank you so much
Thanks John, I appreciate the feedback!
Another really useful detailed video explanation. Your content is of the type that you click play and just listen carefully to the information presented. Thanks for your work. Good stuff!
Thanks Digital Cactus!
Bravo - best 16 minutes I've spent on RUclips this week. And agree on the need to implement some kind of audio sync on the ATEM Mini. You got a new subscriber out this.
Thanks for the feedback Ralph!
Hello Curtis,
I am enthusiastic about this video. Your explanatory style is excellent and very easy to understand even for foreign language speakers.
Thanks a lot
Horst
Thank you Horst!
Thank you! This was so helpful, I was really struggling to tune the audio on my ATEM mini before and this definitely made a big difference.
Glad it helped Elliot!
Never realized there was a practical application for the "laugh test." I've only been using it with my teen daughters, after telling one of my "Dad jokes." Thanks for the tutorial, Curtis. We just got the ATEM Mini Pro for our middle school media studio and this will help us improve our productions.
You're welcome and enjoy the laugh test!
Thank you for taking the time to thoroughly explain what these settings do. I am very appreciative.
Thanks Tom.
Great Curtis... Got my ATEM Mini Pro this week. Fantastic machine! Thanks for running through these audio settings.
Congrats Zack! Hope it works well for you!
Perfect timing brother! I too just received the ATEM mini for my church so this audio tutorial is perfect!
Congrats - I hope it works well for you!
Perfect Curtis, thank you. That will improve my livestreams in the future.
You're welcome and best wishes!
👏👏👏 Thank you Curtis! Fantastic explanation of the ATEM features AND how to use them in a meaningful way. Great content from you, as always. 👍
Thank you Dieter
Outstanding! I will apply what you have taught me with my atem mini. Thank you for taking the time to share this valuable information! 🙏
Thanks Rob 👍 Happy streaming!
I’ll second the request for configurable delay. thanks Curtis for another excellent tutorial.
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Excellent guide! I got my ATEM Mini Pro in the mail just a couple days ago and although I got it primarily to consolidate my various HDMI sources (multicams), it's the audio settings that I'm really looking forward to playing with.
Thanks Luis! I hope you enjoy the ATEM Mini Pro!
Wow😃 This contains lots and lots of very valuable information, ESPECIALLY since I think ATEM Mini sales are probably going to explode (during this crisis) due to how much time it saves in post production. I really appreciate the tip starting at 13:33 where you mention leaving 1.5 to 2db of headroom for streaming purposes😃
Thanks silverlightphoto!
Also, I definitely agree about needing the option to set the audio offset/delay. I just did a test using OBS to set the delay (offered in milliseconds) and it worked pretty well. It still would be good for the Blackmagic to have this ability as well. ruclips.net/video/NVr8_-ECiE4/видео.html
THEY FIXED IT!!! ruclips.net/video/H07ZW72CSD0/видео.html
Curtis. This video is nothing short of a master class. Great job. BIG thanks!
Thanks! 🙏
This was extremely helpful, thank you! I was picking up a considerable amount of background noise and this video helped me eliminate it. Thanks so much!
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Another great informative video Curtis! Thanks so much! I have watched twice and will watch again when my ATEM Mini Pro comes in.
👍 happy streaming!
Thank you so much - my sound was always way worse than I was happy with and I didn't expect that changing the settings would have made as much difference. I'm sounding much cleaner now thanks to you.
Glad it helped!
Not just a great tutorial, this is a great resource to understanding the terms for DAW settings.
Curtis, I would love to see a quick explanation of the relationship between the following, since you've become the premiere audio guru to me and many others:
Mic noise floor,
Dynamic range of a mic,
Decibels as pressure levels,
Decibels as signal levels,
Mic sensitivity,
Mic and cable impedance,
Gain settings, and how it affects each of the other items.
I can't think of anything else at the moment, but these are things that took me a while to wrap my head around, especially when discerning between db signal vs db sound pressure.
Thanks Insanejughead. Good idea, I'll add it to the list and hit the Yamaha Sound Reinforcement Handbook to brush up.
Thanks Curtis, this is just what I needed. Really thorough, detailed breakdown!
Thanks Jack, happy recording!
Now that was just excellent. Sixteen minutes well spent. Many many thanks 👏
Thanks Paul.
Finally a video to help guys like me with sound. Very informative and helpful. Thank You!
Thanks Keith!
Thank you for the video! It explains so much that I had no knowledge of and now I have a basic understanding of how an EQ works with just one viewing.
Glad it helped 👍
This was the most concise informative video i've seen on audio with the ATEM mini. I was wondering why my sound was clipping although controlled via the mix-pre3 before entering mic1. Controlling output via compressors and limitors did the job.That and setting mic 1 at line in instead of mic in the control software. Thanks Curtis!
Thanks WG Productions! Yes, switching to line level is a big deal. 😀
that is the best video on Atem Mini audio I have seen. Great job!
Thanks Richard.
My audio is working perfect for my livestream now. You did a really good job at breaking it down. Thank you.
Thanks Bodguru. Happy streaming!
Thank you for this video. Now we can apply all these precise informations for our clients' livestreams.
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This is totally the best video I have come across on this subject, and I have saved it to my watch later list as future reference too! Thank you sir!
Thanks. Happy streaming!
You have taught me more in this video than I have ever known about audio. Thank you sir, may good blessing to you.
Thanks, Mike 🙏
Thanks for yet another very helpful video! I am doing a live stream for a client in 2 days and its really nice to view your settings and apply with some minor variations before the live. I have soo many other things to set up that i won't have the time to play with the audio processing.
Best wishes on the live stream!
@@curtisjudd Thanks man! We had some serious hiccups! The guy from the venue gave me a horrible xlr out with loads electrical interference going out of it and I had to improvise last minute and put my mics around the room so I can get any sound. Ended up sounding quite decent but I had a couple of minutes of terrible sound on my stream. I guess I learned a valuable lesson never trust other peoples installations and always set up a plan B. Next time my mics are going out of the bag from the begging!
@@budgetsmartgear1167 Good job being prepped with your own mics. I find with venues that I have to make arrangements well in advance so that the front of house mixer knows we need a feed ahead of time. It is also helpful for them to know ahead of time so they can be prepared. But I also put out room mics because the house mix often is tuned to prevent feedback in the PA system and tuned to the room and doesn't sound that great in a recording. The room mics give another option and often sounds more "real". Good job and congratulations!
Thanks, I really feel like I didn't do that well in that particular occasion but next time I will prepare my mics in advance! I did let them know in advance I needed a clean sound output and they assured me they will provide me with one. Instead they gave me a head ache and made me look like a fool in front of the client. I should of have known better than to trust those guys (they are supposed to be professionals). It never hurts to have more options and sources. And by the way the inputs on the Atem mini pro are just terrible I feel that the audio path is fairly low quality.
Another useful post. I hadn't thought about the effect of stream compression on headroom. Thanks for pointing it out.
👍 Thanks Erik.
Thanks for this video Curtis! Great as usual ;-)
Blackmagic people, here you have another vote for the delay feature request. Definitely it is a must to take the most of your amazing device. Thanks!
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One of the best videos period on this.
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Such a bad ass video! Saved so I can watch it every time I need to setup a new voice for my ATEM ISO.
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Great overview that still holds up in late 2021. The latency can be adjusted now which is so handy!
Thanks Allan and yes, nice that you can apply an audio offset!
Curtis is just the best!!!
I have learnt so much from your videos!
Thanks Akil!
Awesome tutorial!
Thanks!
I really hope they listen to you about the audio synk. :)
Thanks for a great video!
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I found this very useful. Nice job making a complex subject very simple.
Thanks Heath!
Hi Curtis, thanks for your review and your suggestions, always very appreciated. Let's all keep pushing Blackmagic to finally introduce the audio offset feature in general for all their mixers(already present in the Atem Television Pro 4k and in the flagship, the Constellation 8K), including Atem Mini and Mini Pro. Lip sync is definitely an issue. Since headphones out can't be added, let's hope they at least do this!
Yes. And in the next gen, a headphone output should be top of the list!
@@curtisjudd Indeed!I found out that, if you connect the other ATEMs through ethernet via the ATEM Software Control, you can have audio monitoring on your computer(if connected to the same network, of course). This is not possible with the Atem Mini yet. That would be one step forward(hoping not to have a significant latency, obviously).
Yes!! Offset for audio!!! Using OBS where it can be done. But the 1 frame is working quite well with the new update for the Mini.
Thanks for a concise explanation of the audio features!
Thanks Anthony.
Inspiring video mr Judd. Can't wait to experiment with the settings.
Thanks, hope it helps!
Thank you Curtis. Very Helpful. Was just about to buy a sound mixer but i will try this out first. As allways your videos are a great help.
Thanks Michael.
Those expanders are amazing! Great tip!
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Thanks for your help. literally helped in our livestreaming. Had struggled for a while getting the sound clarity right
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Excellent expert advice Curtis. My webstreaming camera is a Sony A6000 which does not have an audio in, so in my case I am running L/R stereo from my Rode Rodecaster Pro into Mic 1. It works ok, but the volume out of the Rodecaster is quite low, not sure why that is. I think your video could help me boost/refine what I have coming into the Mic 1 port on the mini. I really love the ATEM Mini Pro, it's an amazing device. Finding all kinds of unique ways to use it, combined with other apps, not necessarily using it to switch to several cameras, but as an external workhorse to handle recording/streaming what's coming out of the computer.
Thanks Gary and I agree! I used the ATEM Mini Pro to record this video.
Thank you Curtis! Great video as always.
Thanks David.
Your videos are so informative! Thanks. For the latency issue I purchased a secondhand Datavideo AD-100M. An expensive fix for now but hopefully Blackmagic will resolve this issue soon.
Thanks Taylor - that's great to know. I'll need to check that out!
Thank you Curtis. Pleasing mid range bump for your voice sounds better. I'll try this on my ATEM Mini Pro Iso.
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Excellent walkthrough, really appreciated here.
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Thanks Curtis, Excellent Video, Explained perfectly!
Thanks Arkayn!
Wow. Best video ever. So many of my coworkers bought this device for Zoom calls.
Thanks Robin!
“Almost” bought the Roland VR-1HD to “solve” the audio delay. For now I still use ATEM Mini / OBS / ReaDelay / Virtual Audio Cable (PC only) to compensate for delay via my NT1-A and Behringer UMC204HD. Robin is a very convincing Salesman.
Thanks for the info on your signal chain.
FYI with OBS the built-in offset only works if you are streaming/recording from the software (i.e. RUclips Live) if you are feeding the audio into Zoom, etc via the monitor output you will need to apply an audio effect (ReaDelay) to get a delay.
@@chen23 Thanks Eric.
Thanks for the breakdown!
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So clear and concise. Kudos, sir.
Thanks!
Thanks for this. I was struggling filtering out noise from a Rode podmic, but with adjustment of the settings I've got something that sounds really good.
Glad it helped! Happy streaming!
Great info. And double down agree with the request for configurable audio delay.
Thanks Orange Frog Photography!
WOW Curtis, Bang on for info, just at the right time at the place.... im i nobody who trys .. but this Atem mini ( pro) just wht i was looking for.. absolutely top notch content, you know i hit the Subcribe
Thanks Michael - glad it was helpful!
As always... great stuff!
Thanks Keith!
Super-helpful. Thanks so much!
You're welcome!
absolutely brilliant video. helped me a lot. thx
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Thanks so much for this video!
You're welcome, Rupert!
YOU REALLY ARE THE BEST.
Thanks Josh.
Thanks for the explanations
You're welcome.
Great information, thank you!!. This helped me tremendously as a newbie to streaming. I would love a one-on-one session.
Glad it helped! Happy streaming!
Such a helpful video!!! Thank you Curtis!
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Wow! Thank you very much for this video, that is super helpful!
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Fantastic video - wish I had watched before my first time using the ATEM live yesterday LOL
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Also another thing I figured out the hard way, you need to select if you have a mic or line level input. Luckily I had a mixing board so I could bodge it somewhat successfully!
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Such a great video thanks!
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Thanks! This is so helpful.
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Very helpful video. Remember to 'save' your settings (save settings at startup) or when you turn off the ATEM...you'll lose everything. Thanks Curtis!!
Thanks for the reminder, Gary!
Great tutorial. Thank you for putting it up.
Thanks Cody.
Great video. Of course now we have settable frame delay on the audio. Well done BMD.
Thanks RemekTek Media. Yes, nice addition BMD!
really helpful info. Thank you
Thanks Bryan.
Sounds good, as it should. It seems to me to be a fair priced piece of hardware. There is a voice in a podcast that I listen too that is always clipping because he has a boisterous laugh and a strong presence. I think this unit would fare the podcast well, & balance the thresholds of the voices overall. As always, thanks for sharing.
-Will
Hi Will! Oh yes, compression and limiting can definitely help with strong presence and laughing. :)
Excellent. Thank you
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Thanks for the tips Curtis. I've used the mixer settings a little, but since my ATEM input audio mix is from a Soundcraft Ui16 live mixer, I don't want to edit or shape sound redundantly.
Eventually I'm swapping out the Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 USB interface for an Audient id44 mkii to get things to the next level.
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This helped me a lot - thanks.
You are welcome!
Awesome, thanks a lot!!!!
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Very helpful, as always - thank you!
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Hi Curtis - really enjoy your comprehensive and objective reviews. I just purchased an ATEM Mini Pro for live streaming and multi-camera Zoom meetings. Question #1) Since the ATEM Mini doesn't have a headphone jack, how are you monitoring your audio adjustments? Question #2) After making audio adjustments On the ATEM Mini is it possible to save those setting for future streaming sessions without having to go back and make all the adjustments again? THANKS for your help!
Thanks BB. 1) I attach a small HDMI monitor to the ATEM's HDMI output and then connect headphones to that monitor. There is quite a bit of latency, but it at least allows my technical director to confirm the audio doesn't have issues. 2) Yes, go to file, save startup state and the settings will be save for future sessions.
Hi Curtis, you do a fantastic work!!! Can i know how u connect your xlr mic into your Atem Mini??
Hi @Y=mx+c, I use a Sound Devices MixPre as a preamp, then feed the output of that into my camera, then my camera to the ATEM via HDMI. So the audio comes in via the camera.
Thanks so much Sir I used this exact settings and the huge hum noise from my mixer reduce completely.
Thanks
That's great news!
Very informative and very interesting at the same time. 🍸🎙️
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good perspectives in a package thanks again!
Thanks Juuso.
@@curtisjudd you got good sense of needable views in your vlogs, you make it simple enough and clear as you have gone through the things in practise and theory. It also is gentle and open and positive. Natural teacher. You.
Love this. Am going to try this! Thanks
👍 Happy streaming!
It's a really cool visual, but I can't help wondering since you have perfected the use of the indoor boom mic, whether having the (upside-down) mic in the presentation is caving to fashion.
Interesting thought. For large diaphragm condenser microphones, usually you want them a bit closer than a boom mic as they are not as directional.
Thanks for this, very helpful.
Thanks Richard.
Interest upload, when I start streaming, I will be on your channel for all these tutorial videos 👍 #1 like
Thanks RJinspire!
Thank you for all your knowledge. ..
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Like Delcan commented already, the Atem mini (pro) has 4 stereo inputs via the camera and in fact 4 channels pre-amped within the 2 microphone inputs. The two Mic inputs, which can be delayed now, can be split into 4 channels with the atem software. Each channel then has its own eq etc. The pre-amp DA-converter is good enough for speech. For music I would chose to connect a serious sound mixer and switch the mic inputs to line inputs (bypassing the pre-amps) which can be done in the atem software settings. All in All this is an absolute amazing complete mini TV studio. Of course it has its little downsides but boy this thing can do a lot very well for its price.
Thanks for the update and clarification computerjantje.