Stargate SG1 Review
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- SEE VIDEOS EARLY ON PATREON. Continuing on with my Stargate Marathon series we come to the first TV show in the franchise. And I have a feeling my views may annoy some fans.
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Your right BLASPHEMY , O'Neill is half the reason I love Stargate, I love him
You mean HERESY which is far far worse
The other half being Tealc
@@CrimsonSp33d no argument there
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Treason is more accurate
Jack's wife? No, Daniel's wife was kidnapped.
Haha true, slip of the tongue.
Well, at least someone caught it.
This annoyed me tbh
Yeah, did a double-take even listening casually... had to rewind to be sure what I heard.
Jackson's was what he most likely wrote down. As Sha're and her Daniel in the end broke my heart.
I love SG-1 so much and I love how O'Neal broke all the tension with his sarcasm, there were a lot of funny moments with him bantering with other characters.
XD brilliant, i think O'neal was on point, i know some people have a different opinion but i loved him.
It is O'Neill with 2 L's there is another con. Jack o'neal with one L and he has no sense of humor
For me, Baal didn't fall flat at all. He was my favourite Goa'uld!
He was one of the few Goa'uld who actually had charisma.
Lord Ba'al is soo baller ..loll best good/evil guy ever
RIP :'(
The sideways acid torture is iconic!
He had big Baals
When Browder and Black joined the show, I started to call it "Farscape SG1" lol.
Love it!!
I am a big fan of SG1 and I do disagree in some ways, but I can see where you're coming from. Jack's aloofness is very much going to be down to personal taste.
I actually like that the Goa'ould became weaker as the show went on, because they were after all only as strong as the fear they instilled in the Jaffa. It made their nature as false gods all the more evident. Look behind the curtain and these beings portraying themselves as godlike were overcompensating for being small and weak. Just like anyone in power. The Ori even despite their clear power are nothing without their followers. That anti-authoritarian message is to me is the ultimate moral of the story.
Good points. But for me I ended up seeing the Goa'uld as not much of a threat after a while because they were defeated so often. The Ori on the other hand always seemed dangerous.
Rowan J Coleman yeah, but that’s just part of the story, many Jaffa turned against them, they lost many ships in battles between them and e.g. against the replicators. They were once united but this has been torpedared in several instances.
Also SG-1 was actively fighting them, destroying for instance a ship building factory and stealed stuff on multiple occasions.
After O'Neil is replaced by Critchnon, the Go'auld became a complete joke. They were heading that direction starting with the end of Anubis, but the later phase completed it. Baal is the best example of this (and also why I thought Continuum was unfortunately written), Baal would have been better to have stuck around and maybe pop up in the spin-offs (I found his character development to be interesting, mainly due to all his actions being driven by self-interest, meaning he was just as likely to help you as he was to kill you).
@@RubenKelevra I think he means more how easily they are defeated in battles. I mean it went that whenever they show up its a very big deal. To later seasons where like 6 troops from the sg-c could take down a hundred jaffa easily and they could shoot down their ships left and right. And for such an advanced race technologically it was not that hard to sabotage their plans or produce counter-measures to their technology.
In essence, for a race that was supposed to have conquered part of the galaxy it really isn't that hard for even a relatively primitive society to resist them.
The Ori had 2 seasons, if they had an other 6 they would have been defeated easier and easier.
Agree with some of your points, certainly. I completely get what you mean about O'Neill's flippancy taking some of the drama out of things, but it didn't bother me as much as it did you it seems. I do want to disagree about the goa'uld failing as enemies. I agree that they got less threatening as the show went on, but I think of that as a feature, not a bug. It gave a tangible sense of growth, because what was initially such a great threat became less so as the heroes got stronger and more capable. Despite the generally episodic nature of the series, the continuity of power growth of our heroes actually felt like a strong unifying element to me, and I enjoyed seeing them expose the flaws and hubris behind their enemies, who seemed so insurmountable and godlike at the outset.
They became less of a threat when we learned about the Repilcators and the team and allies managed to knock down a few of the Goaulds. In the end, a much more threatening enemy took care of them once and for all.
I would loved to see the Ori and Goauld meet for the first time
"Hollowed are the Ori, bow down and worship!"
"Hah, such foolishness, the Goauld bow to no one, YOU WILL BOW TO ME" "eyes flare"
The whole thing is stupid. All they have to do is release a virus, that will wipe human out in a few months. Given that they use human as host for thousands of years, they can’t even fight against 4 humans from earth with no knowledge or technology, only carry a few rifles? The whole idea is pretty dumb, it is primitive way of thinking.
VERY nicely done! Two points:
1) You make no mention of all the scientific "corrections" made in the series that completely failed in the movie. Reaching across the galaxy after 5000 years of galactic drift, etc., etc.. (YES, they even poked fun at themselves for the 3-shot Zat!)
2) O'Neill sometimes was TOO sarcastic. BUT, MANY, MANY times he spoke the words the viewer was thinking when faced with yet another goa'uld system lord, or some 3rd act death scene that you know they will get out of in the last 15 minutes. To me, this kept me from falling out of "the suspension of disbelief" that would have happened had Anderson not wise-cracked. Once in a while annoying, to me it SAVED many episodes from being completely unbelievable. He often said what we were about to think.
IMHO.
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General O'Neill: Now, see, that's one of the great things about being a general. You pretty much get to do whatever you want.
Lt. Colonel Mitchell: I suppose after you've saved the world seven or eight times…
General O'Neill: [amused] Who's counting, huh?
Lt. Colonel Mitchell: Teal'c.
Here is a counter point for one of yours. You said Go’uld seemed to get weaker as it went on. That is because the humans continued to advance in technology, knowledge, and tactics. The Go’uld arrogance kept them from doing so as well. So they became easier to defeat. And Baal was amazing. :p
On the whole defeat of the Goa'uld, I would say it's less that Earth defeated them but more took advantage of inherent political weakness/brought OCP that the Goa'uld could deal with. The empire hierarchy was based on your power-meaning once Ra died the System Lords natural tendency to try become the top dog came to the front that Ra had largely kept suppressed-with Earth being no more than a thorn and was nearly screwed when they turned even a real effort to them. (Fair Game, Lost City, Aphopis attack, etc). It even pointed out later that a Goa'uld becoming the new Ra or more powerfull would fuck over Earth ability to fight. And ultimately, it was the replicators invasion that finished the Goa'uld empire as a power, not Earth (RepCater killing off the remaining System Lords, Dakkara shatering the last vestige of godhood to the Jaffa, and simply taking such huge losses in combat). In many senses, the Goa'uld were predisposed to fall as the hero's main threat the moment they were put against an enemy of equal or greater abilities by their very characterization. Realistically, egotism, delusions of godhood, cronical backstabbing...most traits of the Goa'uld are known for are not conductive to a long, stable nation. Still good vid.
This
There are two schools of thought when it comes to stargate...there are those who like SG1 better than atlantis, those people usually like seasons 1-8 of SG1 better than 9+10, and like continuum better than ark of truth.....then there are those who like atlantis better than SG1, those people usually like seasons 9+10 of SG1 the best, and prefer Ark of Truth. I belong to group number 1.
Seems i'm group 3, because i like SG1 and SG-A, but i dislike anything that has to do with the Jaffa rebels and the Ori are "ok", but when the "Free Jaffa" argue about the Ori... those are the worst episodes of Stargate for me. I mean i like the Ori more than the Replicators, but at least we got a lot Asgard stuff at that time, so i was ok with it. I really wish that they would've shown us more SG-A Asgard and those "better" Replicators.
I liked both SG-1 & SGA, the Ori arc was ok but still felt essentially the same as the Goa'uld arc just did slightly different, & the Jaffa needed more improvements. I didn't mind RDA playing Jack but Rowan does have a point in that he quipped a little too much/quipped at inappropriate times, just tone that down & the show/episodes are fine.
Nice video. I gotta disagree with you about Richard Dean Anderson. There were plenty of episodes where he had the gravitas to meet the severity of the moment. S4E2, "The Other Side" was an example. S4E6 "Window of Opportunity" arguably one of the funniest.. yet it finished off with a serious and heartbreaking moment in the conclusion that he completely nailed. His arcs getting possessed by ancient technology also were full of serious and tender moments. I would argue that the series would not have lasted ten years without his combination of humor, sarcasm, and professionalism as a character.
If you say Stargate Atlantis is better than SG1 you have lost your mind.
I guess I have then. You can check out my review of Atlantis when it comes out to see my reasons.
SGA was garbage, too much reliance on idiot ball and plot holes
SGA was fantastic, I guess you can't recognize a good show if you see one.
I loved SG-1 and I liked SGU, but SGA was too much, watching Teyla was unbearable, among other things
and as I sad, too much idiot ball and idiot plots, esp. in seasons 4 and 5
the Wraith were a meh enemy, compared to the Goa'uld. No depth except Todd and Michael and Michael was done badly, too little Todd.
Daniel's wife.... the corner stone of 2 or 3 seasons... for the gods' sake, man
No. No. No. The only reason why I like SG1 best of all IS the cheekyness of the characters. The other science-fiction series on television are o.k. but by comparison they can go sucks it because SG1 should be the benchmark. You can't make Sci-fi without humor now. It just makes for a snore fest.
Humour and fun can be welcome but there's a limit. Constantly using jokes to undercut drama is called Bathos and I don't care for it. There's a special balance to be kept between drama and humour and for me SG1 didn't get that balance right many times.
I disagree, SG1 for me was made because of it's humour, having drama is great. But the way I see it the way SG1 used drama was pretty much constant in every episode with a very light amount of drama (Which for the most part I enjoyed). Though every now and then, you would get points where the humour would drop away completely and you would get massive amounts of drama, such as where Jack refuses to leave Samantha when the alien wrist device stops working. And I think it made the moments stand out and made them far more impactful.
Joel Plamondon yeah, I think SG1 and Jack's character set the baseline of what amount of sarcasm should be introduced into a scifi movie. Just take a look into a recent star trek movie - these are cheesy jokes. :)
Russels O'neill acted out for a movie, Andersons O'neill was acted out for a tv show, they're gonna be different. Other than that, great video
I actually liked that SG-1 made the Goau’ld less of a threat. I saw it as being the whole point. These flashy “gods” appear as unstoppable monsters to the uninitiated but if you have the tech to stand up to them, they are defeatable. Isn’t that why they keep their slave worlds so primitive?
How about they can just release a virus given that they slaved human for thousands of years. And I know what you gonna say, but I will tell you something. They don’t have to use the stargate. Their spaceship is good enough to travel to earth, have a gliders go down on a secret mission, release the virus. Few months later they can take earth freely without a single shot.
Stargate deserved more than this so-called "retrospective"
Thank you for this. Although I agree with your take on Jack, it's probably what kept the series grounded. He is a lantern that nudges and winks, "Carter!! My head hurts. " Becoming a plea for those who get uncomfortable with the MASSES of information.
always felt like the Stargate franchise was the underrated and often overseen, but perfect mix of Star Wars and Star Trek. there's a great focus on exploration and science, but also a nice sense of adventure and humor.
O'Neil is far more cautious and skeptical in dealing with aliens than Shepard. He is not afraid to go into the moral grey zone which is why he is a convincing soldier. The writers balanced the show by placing Daniel opposite him. Shepard, on the other hand, is too happy-go-lucky for my taste.
Teal'c isn't a "former Jaffa" :D
Jaffa is his race.
0:38 Daniel's wife, not Jack's
4:08 Lost City episode was it finale, but rating were at a all time high, so SCi-Fi renewed it for one more season
RDA took the O’Neill character to a whole new level. The rest of the cast are great as well.
The music/video gets so good with the hype of the stargate theme.
Kurt Russell's portrayal of the character would never work in a long running series. Almost too distant, and a bit cliche.
I would have never gotten into this show with his version of O'Neill.
I enjoyed how the Goa’uld became less and less of a threat, it increased the believability of humanity being able to defeat them.
O’Neill, or more like RDA said it himself, he hates cliches. And him saying super sarcastic remarks at "dun dun dunnnnn" moments breaks the otherwise cliched moment. For example, when Anubis was attacking Earth via the Stargate, he appeared in the Gate room as a hologram. He gave the super evil super cliched corny bad guy speech (prepare to meet your DOOOOOM) that probably made a few eyes roll at the table readings, just as it made O'Neill say: "Oh please..." As a producer, he probably improvised in a few scenes. I remember Brad Wright talking to him, this was probably somewhere in S1-2, asking him nicely to at least try to stick to the script.
He was serious when the situation demanded it, saving his team and the planet in the process. Sarcasm was part of his personality, the years he spent in the military and as a black ops operative made him that way, that's how he dealt with stress, he was also rebellious and disobeyed direct orders plenty of times. That's how he got Hammond back as a commander. He knew something was up. By going solo, he saved the whole program and the future of Earth, by blackmailing Kinsey and stopping NID from putting another stooge in command after that idiot failed and almost destroyed the planet.
But he became too much, or should i say, not enough in seasons 6-7, because he was phoning it in hardcore. He looked like he could fall asleep in every episode, disinterested, like he want's to be somewhere else, someone in need of Ritalin. He basically became super dumb, not knowing how a telescope works, when it was his hobby in season 1.
I know he had his personal stuff going on in the background, mainly his daughter, and in-universe there's the explanation that he became apathetic because dying and coming back to life at least 50 times does that to you. I still can't forgive him for his performance was lacking. During the whole Lost City episode, he was acting like Biden, like an Alzheimer patient who was slowly losing his cognitive faculties, even before he got his head sucked by one of those Ancient head sucker things. He got better in season 8 as a base commander.
I would have liked to see a broken O'Neill, after the whole Baal torture episode.
system lord baal was balls to the wall epic man
"O'Neill got annoying sometimes" is like saying "I'm choking on air".
3:57 Aren't the Asgard Deus Ex Machina by their very definition?
Honestly, I don't like the Ori as a villain. They just kinda come in and then shit all over all the hard work our heroes spent seven odd seasons doing, just to show how threatening they are. Then the writers have no idea how to resolve them and just scramble to find a satisfying conclusion after they made the Ori so ridiculously overpowered that they can't think of a believable solution.
Conversely, the Replicators were fantastic. Not only do they go from an incidental thing in an early episode to being arguably the primary antagonist of the series, even being the focal point of the climax of season 7, they do so in a manner that honestly felt really natural. Their very nature is worked into their arc beautifully, and in the end everything from seven whole seasons of the show comes together to solve the problem in a way that felt like a satisfying capstone to the narrative.
I mean, by the end of that story arc, the entire purpose of SGC has been surpassed, Jack retires, Daniel has the chance to live a new life, the Jafar finally found their freedom, and everything pretty much gets closure.
Humor and snark were stipulations demanded by Richard Dean Anderson as a condition for joining the cast.
One of the best shows I’ve ever seen
I find it amazing that they made a series on this movie that was so good, because the movie, while okay on its own, wasn't that great once you consider it as the precursor to the series it spawned.
oh yeah. one of those times the series far surpassed the source material
That was probably why the series was able to succeed like it did because the expectations weren’t as high
I think O'Neill was slowly losing his mind. I think his PTSD mixed with years of stress and almost non-stop danger and more then once having his mind messed with or suffering torture started to get to him and he spiralled out of control but instead of drinking he went loopy. He was clearly not fully in his right mind in later seasons. And if you noticed once he stopped going on missions he did improve which is some of my biggest evidence to the claim.
SG1 is way better than Atlantis, the emotional consequences of events is higher and the people feel more real, this never hits harder than the episode with Saul Rubinek making a documentary on the SGC for historical reasons when they loose a member of the team and we spend half the episode trying to find out who got killed, when we find out who we get a massive punch to the gut despite knowing it was coming, this is because the show feels real, the people feel like they respect each other in a way that Atlantis struggled to duplicate
The Asgard are LITERALLY deus ex machina.
Did you not like the humor of the show? A lot of the cheekiness was them making fun of sci-fi tropes, like O'Neill constantly joking about how cartoonishly evil the Goa'uld are. And Ba'al was great precisely because he was clever enough to avoid all those super villain cliches and subvert the typically evil schemes.
There were too many clip shows, but it was a show that had periodic moments of depth while never taking itself too seriously.
Sam is not a tomboy? Sorry, have we seen the same show? Seriously, Sam "I play with Astronaut-Dolls (and hate Barbie!)!" Carter is the epitome of a tomboy, because she can wear a dress if she wants to (she does when in dress-uniform without complaining), but she still is more "one of the guys" than princess-type feminine women (unlike them Sam will not complain about perceived sexism - hell, she shatters any sexism by being just so damn good and she would probably never report a fellow soldier for an off color joke (especially since in her mind she's not the typical woman, so they aren't talking about her!)) and that's why Carter was my crush in my teens (I was 11 when SG-1 came out), she wasn't some bitchy princess! No she was a woman worthy of respect - not because she demanded it because of her gender, no because she earned it through sweat and hard work!
As for Jack: Yeah, I agree - I love the character, but sometimes he annoys the crap out of me (especially his treatment of the Tok'ra and the Tollan (ok: Those guys pissed me off as well, but that was no reason to treat them badly - you catch more flies with honey and all that!))
Vala still isn't great, sorry! She has no development, she's even more annoying than Jack (95% of the time, I only remember a scant few scenes where Vala did anything useful!), she's a thief, she doesn't know how to behave (trying to seduce Landry? Damned, girl! Get a grip!) and she has no chemistry with Daniel! Hell, she annoys him (sorry: But pairing those two together is like pairing Harry Potter's Draco Malfoy with Hermione Granger! It would never ever work, not even if hell froze over!)
I legit did a spit-take when you said, "sorry SG-1 fans, but Kurt Russell was better." Haha!
Thank you for that. I've never understood the criticism of Russell's portrayal in comparison to the show's version of the character when his movie portrayal literally pre-dated it all, and it gave the basis for the character's further development in the show. Russell played the character as he should have; the way he was written for that one 2hr story, which was self contained.
I enjoy both portrayals. But I do, in fact, love the original movie more than the following series'. It just has a charm.
Thanks for the video, even though I'm finding it 6 years later. Lol
I agree that Jack O'Neill's quips got to be too much and too frequent later on. But you HAVE to admit Vala's quips were often pointless and outside the realm plausible a lot of the time.
Please, Russel’s stoicism would have killed the show after the season. We love the comedy. 🤦🏻♀️
And it’s tv. The good guys have to win. 👍🏼
yeah jacks "humor" was over top sometimes but as soon as shit got real, he got real and his combat experiance took over. that was what i liked the most about SG1.
and vala maldoran/daniel jackson chemistry
I would've preferred Stargate command over universe
At 0:37 you said "Jack's wife is kidnapped" but it was actually Daniel's wife.
Jack's attitude was what kept the show light hearted. It, in part, kept the show from becoming SGU.
AT 3:30 you state the gu'uld get weaker and weaker but that's not correct. As the show progresses, our heroes actually get stronger and stronger until they're almost even in strength.
I way preferred Stargate Continuum to Ark of truth. While I agree that Jack's character digressed as the series went on, I would not say Russell was better. Russell only had a 2 hour movie to fill. I say I can easily find more screen time RDA was better than CR.
SG1 is great. And Atlantis is really good too. While I agree that Jack can be a little much on occasional, and he was really phoning it in towards the end, overall he was a great character. I love seasons 9 and 10, especially 10. I like the new threat, I like Mitchell, but I LOVE Vala. I wish we got more of her. Season 10 is among my favorites for her presence alone.
As for the bad guys, Baal is a GREAT character! I liked that the threats changed over time. Apophis could only go so far, Anubis was great, replicators for a time. I liked learning more about the Goa'ould and eventually beating them back. The worst threats were taken out and the stragglers left had their place. I say again, Baal was a great character. Very fun. Cunning. Still full of bravado, but much more self-aware. And using his normal voice most of the time helped.
i love O'Neill.
-you can't be serious!
-i can! But i choose not to!
I noticed that the feel of the series changed when they transitioned from Showtime to SciFi (now SyFy). I liked how the capabilities of the SGC grew as the series progressed, eventually being able to field a small fleet of very powerful space warships.
I respectfully disagree about Baal. Part of the reason the Go'a'u'ld lost was their inability to be flexible and adapt to change. They were unprepared for a commando-styled war, and just couldn't adapt fast enough. Hence their final defeat in season 7. Baal wasn't defeated, though. He survived because, unlike the rest, he *could* change. Not only so, he actually began to develop an appreciation for earth and its finer things. True, he saw it as a resource he could exploit, but he wasn't interested in destroying it. He's interesting mostly because he's the last player on the board, and he just keeps surviving out of smarts, pragmatism, and innovation.
I also thought Lord Yu was interesting. He wasn't a *good* guy by any stretch, but he was pragmatic. He recognized the earthlings as people he could work with on occasion when they had the same goals, and his own people *loved* him. Even though his human and Jaffa higher ups *knew* he wasn't a god, and that he was going senile, they covered for him out of loyalty, not fear.
Conversely, I never thought the replicators or later human-form replicators were very good villains
Whatever they do with StarGate is fine by me. As long as they do not do a reboot or re-brand that, erases all the other shows and movies. That would kill my soul.
You are forgetting if Richard had played him like Kurt Russell the show would have lost alot of people as the series ran for 10 years and seen as Richard had experience of being in a previous long running show you can't have the character continue being hardnosed about losing his son plus you had both Amanda and Michael giving the science fiction explanations of what was happening and Richard is a completely different persona and for me the show worked with him being like that and if you took the time to notice in one story he points out that there is another O'Neill with one L that has no personality. Stargate SG1 was a great series and loved that Ben and Claudia showed up but they were not happy to do the re-enactment of Farscape that was shown in the 200th episode that is why Ben played Stark as he did not want to destroy what many Farscape fans loved so showed Vala being Aeryn but using Michael as Crichton. It was Daniels wife who was kidnapped, Jacks wife had divorced him after the death of their son.
Sorry, one guy with a youtube channel, MacGuyver was a better O`Neill ;)
Well jack o’neil does not see the significance of more delicate operations that “may” present valuable assets in the future thats because he’s a shoot em up guy and was only made leader of this team because of his expertise, and with the exponential seriousness of the show i am glad jack kept it light hearted
RDA's O'Neill is wayyyyyy more fun and interesting than Kurt Russel's bland O'Neil. I personally like how they infused some comedy into the series, it makes it more entertaining for me, but that's a matter of personal taste. Kind of like The Orville now that I think about it. There's like so much tension and then a screwball line hits and you can't help but crack up
Are you aware of the many mistakes you've made? Starting with saying it was Jack's wife kidnapped by Apophis? It was Daniel's wife. Another glaring one is Jonas joined in Season 6, not Season 5. And there were a few more that weren't as noticable. Other than that - glad you like the show :D
I meant to say "Jackson's wife", but your right it was a slip of the tongue. Jonas Quinn became a full time cast member in Season 6 but his first episode was in Season 5.
Here's one of the things that I like about Stargate SG-1, something that sets it apart from pretty much every other sci-fi show (including Stargate Atlantis):
The show was not about protecting the status quo. The show was about actually investigating new worlds, gaining new allies and new technology along the way. Starting off as a bunch "out of their depth" heroes with mere modern-day technology, they grew and developed, slowly gaining more and more power. Early on, the Earth could have been destroyed or conquered by the Goa'uld if not for the Asgardians, slowly the Earth people gained the technology to defend themselves even without the Asgardians (which is good because the Asgardians got weaker and weaker until they were gone). It is incredibly rare to find a show which allows the story to develop in this sort of way, so rare that I can't think of any off hand. That is something the writers of SG-1 should be commended for.
Ba'al is by far the best system lord. RIP Cliff Simon, gone too soon :(
really hard to compare the best of stargate... i felt the show peaked in seasons 4, 7 and 9 & 10, but Atlantis seasons 3-5 were also amazing. don't make me choose!
Stargate sg-1 holds a special place in my heart, when i was in elementary school , before my family got cable, we had an antenna tv, and one of the few channels that came in really clear was fox network, and whenever i would turn on the tv, sg-1 would always be on, and i fell in love with the show
You really can't blame the replicators being repetitive cause they replicate..... get it? Hahaha I know I am unfunny
I know I maybe the very small minority but I prefer Atlantis over sg1 even though Atlantis has some glaring flaws but still I can't help myself but leaning towards to Atlantis maybe because of McKay
Atlantis has a more diverse story and characters. I like it more than SG1 because of that.
It also has more drama to it since it's an outpost like DS9 that could come under attack at any time and not be reinforced for weeks or months.
I agree about Atlantis. Stay tuned for the next installment in this marathon
Agree with several points except ... for your comments about O'Neil, his constant sarcasm is hilarious and when he does give serious performances they are phenomenal
I really like your videos BUT I cannot agree that Atlantis is better than SG-1. You have an amazing POV on the overall highs and lows of the show and your passion shines through, but hear me out. RDA is light hearted which makes me love this show more. I can watch an episode, be super satisfied, laugh, and move on. Atlantis feels like 5 seasons of an extended plot about defeating the Wraith with few interesting twists (Michael was good but over-used). The best part of SG-1 is that the episodes in SG-1 explore so many more cultures and have so many good stand-alone episodes that make you so satisfied. SG-1 felt like a constant exploration of the galaxy that got me so excited to see a new episode that was truly entirely new. Atlantis while awesome was almost always about the "oh the city is going to fall!" and "the Wraith are attacking lets explore the same hive ship over and over again and destroy it from the inside." Atlantis definitely had some character upgrades (more change of flavor not exactly upgrades... both casts were great but different) Rodney was an amazing actor (in real life I heard he saved all the props from the show for a potential comeback.. fingers crossed), and I agree on all your other assessments. I feel cheated with Rodney. He needed to explore more unique worlds in stand-alone episodes. Imagine Rodney in a medieval town blatantly calling out the towns people for some awful cultural tradition and having to escape the consequences whilst changing the society for the better. The problem with Atlantis is the various worlds could never be culturally rich, vast or very interesting due to the plot of the Wraith. Every world was just another small town waiting to be culled by the Wraith. The Wraith might be a scarier villain than the Goa'uld but they are far less interesting. The Goa'uld had a class system, had human desires, flaws, egos, etc. It allowed for so many layers to the different villians in SG-1. Long story short, I am not convinced Atlantis is better than SG-1. My main argument is that SG-1 made feel like I was exploring the Universe whilst Atlantis for the most part just had me slowly waiting for the Wraith to be defeated. Lastly, to really drive the point home think about all the amazing things SG-1 introduced: Asgards, Replicators, Goa'uld, the idea of the "Fifth Race", the Furlings, the Ori, Ascension, endless unique planets with quirky cultures sometimes reminscent of various eras and nations of Earth, and other times wholly unique like that planet that makes kids learn everything then gifts it to the adults. Atlantis (again I love the show) but what did it introduce besides the Wraith? We couldn't have a single new race of aliens introduced or a single planet somehow unexposed to Wraith influence that could add some complexity to the Stargate franchise? Ok, rant over! Much love to Stargate!
I loved Jack, his flippant attitude in the face of certain death was a nice change from the oh so serious other tv shows at the time. Jack was what made SG1 a hit in my opinion and is probably why Shepherd in Atlantis is of a similar character, flippant and quirky. I didn't enjoy the Ori story line half as much as the Goauld. It seemed way to heavy and dark and depressing and Browder and Black, although good actors, didn't connect with me.
It's not that the Goa'uld are weak, it is because for thousands of years they were unchallenged and they became overconfident and complacent in their superiority. Then suddenly in just a few years, humans on Earth became a threat and the Goa'uld were unprepared for them. Even as other system lords were defeated their hubris assured them that the fallen system lords were weak and humans were of no significant threat. It was a re-enactment of World War II and the Goa'uld were the Nazis. That is until season nine, then it became humans versus Scientology.
I could never get onboard with Claudia’s character. Found the character more annoying than anything. There were a few token moments when the character was great, and I especially enjoyed the High School Reunion episode with her in
O Neil is one of the biggest reasons WHY the show was so good.
How dare you!
I miss 20 episode seasons. Sure, Alot is filler, bottle episodes, or downright cheap (even for the times) because they have to stretch the budget.
Even though everything is so streamlined nowadays, and with modern CGI everything can look amazing. You just can't get the feeling of a show like Stargate, Old Trek, Babylon 5, or whatever with 8 episodes every 18 months up to the third season after which it gets cancelled by their respective streaming service.
These shows and characters are burned into my consciousness, even decades later, while I can't remember most of the character names from Picard, for example, which I finished just days ago.
Silly me. I always thought that the Ori were more boring than watching paint dry, and that Ben Browder RUINED the show. (Think about it...his character's favorite phrase was the most annoying catch-phrase in human history: "THAT's what I'm talkin' about!")
I personally liked the Ori... but did never warm up to Ben Browder either.
It was a fun show, easy watching to have on, but occasionally it really managed to shine beyond itself. I don't know if its just having spent so much time with the characters (I mean, ten seasons!) but damn, the finale gets me every time.
Have to agree re: Jack O'Neill. Was never my favourite, but always liked all the cast. However rewatching now...his quips come across as so much more shallow than before, detracting but also distracting from the gravitas of situations, in an unsatisying way.
I really liked season 8. the big final fight against the goa'ulds AND replicators, and after that a simplier episode in which Anubis was destroyed. Great.
If I were rebooting SG-1, I would expand the plot to do what we would obviously do having found a host of suitable worlds. We would colonize. That's an important part of what would make the goul'd wars make more sense. The Earth starts off as a nuisance, they start off kicking our asses every time we meet. We have an advantage of them not knowing where we are ( by luck at first) but when ever we come across them or they a colony, disaster ensues. My plot for a first season would be focused on exploration and danger and I would revive the goul'd as a threat we know little to nothing about, even with a Te'lq character, he was just a grunt and while useful in many cases, knows next to nothing about the goul'd them selves. Given this context, I would make it a big deal when Goul'd finally show up on earth and Very nearly take the gate. Open season 2 with a plot of Russian meddling opening up the 2nd gate because they knew we were upto something; and than getting their asses kicked because they weren't prepared ( our fault) for the onslaught. Season 2 gets to be gritty, chaotic and alternates between Military ops against targets we barely understand while also fighting a defensive war against an invading army. Mid-season 2 we figure out the eye thing, and regain control of the situation :D Cap off season 2 with a return to friendlier exploration although now there is a constant backdrop of a political shit storm. Everyone knows we "caused" the invasion but no one really knows how. A modern critique on American exceptionalism and sets up a more international spirit in Season 3. One thing all of the worlds powers agree on, we are at war with an alien species and Season 3 focuses on us getting our shit together, while some teams continue exploration and colonization, there is tension with international powers on those colonies and also Military cooperation which frequently doesn't go well :D Plenty of drama both serial and stand alone. SG-1 is the main focus that operates like bizzarre multi-role recon unit ( and is a but bigger than 4 people) but other Sg teams get spot lights too. Finally. we're ready to go after Apotheosis :D Wrap up season 3 with a major assault and Apotheosis dead.
But we wouldn't colonize. Keeping alien life a secret was one of the top priorities at that point. At best we might have set up some bases, which they did.
And most of the earthside stuff, especially involving the other nations (save a couple of Russian episodes) were not the best. Too much political intrigue on earth would not have been good.
And it took more than 3 seasons to beat Apophis if I remember correctly. If you're going to keep us at such a huge disadvantage in S1 and focus on earth in S2 then becoming powerful enough to beat him in S3 would make no sense.
And Teal'c wasn't a grunt. He was the lead Jaffa for Apophis and his mentor taught him what they were. Removing that reduces his character quite a bit.
I disagree almost entirely with this opinion but I think we are very different. My favourite episode of SG-1 is Ergo so that probably tells you something about what I get out of Stargate
O'Neill never got really annoying. No no no no...
Remember kids, SG1 _IS_ Wormhole Extreme
The original movie's creator was to utilize MEDIEVAL mythology instead of EGYPTIAN?! How would THAT have worked. Especially given the movie we got. The whole thing was literally STEEPED in Egyptian lore. There isn't even a hint of anything medieval in it.
You've got to remember that wasn't a lot sci-fi around when it originally aired!
O'Neil's increase in sarcasm could of been a character fault, like a coping mechanism when things are getting to frustrating for him
O'Neill with 2 L's
I can't believe what i just heard. I know it's opinions but.... there are things. And my problem is not even with the things you said about o'neil. Season 5 to 7 is the best, whaat... the first 4 seasons was the real reason why people really got into this show, when there was a lot of episodes of exploring, finding interesting planets, and where all the characters had depth, season 5 marked the point where RDA asked the crew to give him less cast, to have more time with his daughter and lost a great amount of his charateristics, although i liked Jonas, but come on, that's the one season that doesn't include D.Jackson and the whole team was just so...seperated in a way, there was rarely any epsiode where team operated like the real sg-1, less action, more politics and more complete episodes solely on earth, but i admit that s7 is a really good season, but it's just bugs me that the early seasons didn't hook you up as much as i expected. My fav. is s4 and almost generally agreed that episode "Window of Opportunity" is the best episode in the series. Then there's s9-10, it's still sg-1 but in a way it's just not. The overall athmosphere of the show is different, and although Ben Browder is a great actor, his character just couldn't made up the void left by o'neil, and Vala was annoying af, especially in s10, doing nothing just making unfunny jokes, messing up stuff, and keeping Daniel from doing his work. The ori as an enemy wouldn't have been a bad enemy, but for two seasons? The whole last two seasons was only about dealing with enemy, almost zero exploring,zeor new aliens, almost every past aliens were forgotten, no tokra, no asgard (i know last episode but that's it) nothing, just Baal screwing around and kill the ori.If it had been more seasons for ori they wouldn't have hurried to kill the enemy in just two seasons, and they're not even present in s9 just the priests. And besides vala and mitchell, the actors became dull, like they got tired in their roles. No more depth to their characters, Carter is almost nothing but techno blah-blah, daniel is now a religion and myth freak, and teal'c is just around because the jaffas are free and he achieved his goal. Where are those episodes like "Solitude" or "Absolute power" or "Divde and conquer"? It's like there's no backstory to the characters anymore. And i miss the old conflicts of the show. When you had to wait, what kind of call will Hammond make, will he do the right thing? And remember all those o'neil vs jackson in the early episodes? where jack was always about doing the order they got and get weaopons no matter what while daniel was always the pacifist? Where are these? For me the classic "real" sg-1 ended with lost city: Hammond's gone, they wasted two episodes just to kill Frasier in dumb documentary crew screwing up the place, o'neil as a general.... jokes. s8 is the lowest point, just a big "we don't know what to do anymore" bur again, i admit it the reckoning of the replicators were awesome, but he whole season felt like they're really want to end it "Citizen Joe" flashback of everything, and those damned "Moebius" episodes just confused the hell out of everyone. And right next is s9, whappened to sg-1 where's is everyone, who is this mitchell, why is he here? It's like they started a different series. Until this point i took it as a "yeah everyone has opinions" but what really startled me was the end. Continuum a bad film??? How??? what better way to end the last goa'uld, than to present an alternate sceneraio where they actually won? and who would have thought that Baal (who did nothing just screwed around badly) had something grandiose like this in his sleeves? and last scene with picture on the closet is just genius and leave you with plenty of thinking while ark of the truth just does it's job and end the ori(which isn't meaning it's a bad film just comparing).
And... i swore i will not use caps but...
Sg-1 WASN'T THE HIGHEST POINT IN THE FRANCHISE??? Did you watch this a long time ago or we watched two completely different shows? Sga and Sgu are really great too but not at this level. This is like saying that the original star trek wasn't that great. This was the original, true stargate series that made those millions of fans around the world not the other two. SGA is truly a great show but it took time to get to the heights of the original, and while a i really liked SGU and it's dark atmosphere with all those conflicts, i just couldn't ignore the fact that there is no more a 4 member team, and almost no adnventures, just surviving allmost all the time. Yes there are episodes in both, that stands out really high in the franchise, but as a whole they're not as good as sg-1 was.
I could be really really wrong here, or just 6 minutes wasn't long enough to understand your points. (The star-trek ones were longer)
I agree with most of what you've written. Season 1-4 is the best of the series, the Gou'uld are threatening, the characters are jelling, and everyone has an arc that makes sense. it's all down hill after that. The only point I don't agree with is Continuum, which I thought was pretty bad, but everything else I agree with full heartedly.
Tirak can you explain me why exactly continuum is a bad film? i just don't understand
holy shit, PARAGRAPHS. Way too much to read. I did the first part. And you're free to have your opinion but many, many people think the middle seasons are the best. Everyone is different. Some dislike 9 and 10 while I love them. The early seasons were fine, but season 1 especially was really uneven as it found its footing. And I liked the more serialized nature later on with more ongoing arcs.
Great review but It was not Jack's wife but Daniel's wife was kidnapped.
Completely disagree, Stargate SG-1 was the best the franchise ever got. Seasons 1-6 were great but it all fell down in 7. The last two seasons was basically a reunion of Farscape cast members. And no RDA was terrific as O'Neil.
The worst thing is that we didn't get more Farscape, haha. And that Stargate took the awesome MacGyver and made him boring. And also took the awesome John Crichton and made him also boring. Firefly is crap compared to Farscape, so I don't see why the internet loved it so much.
17 parts for star Trek but only 5 minutes for Stargate ? Not fair.
I'll be making a new Stargate Retrospective series in my new style soon. This is one of my old videos which I don't think holds up anymore.
I always saw it as a coping mechanism that he, and later daniel adoped. The bleaker the situation, the more sarcastic he became. In some episodes you can even see how this is irritating his team
I both agree and disagree with you regarding Richard Dean Anderson's portrayal of Jack O'Neill. A lot of times his humor was overdone and forced, and many times unnecessary. I usually cringe at the common sci fi trope of a character using contemporary pop culture references to connect with aliens or people from the past. However, I think his best moments were very funny and I think it makes sense for him to be the wisecracker/comic relief by virtue of SG-1 being a four person team. Teal'C is the stoic warrior trying to adapt to a foreign culture ala Worf. Daniel is the brainy and somewhat awkward bookworm. Samantha is the science specialist who is often the most optimistic of the group. Somebody had to be "the humorous-yet-cynical one", so I'm glad it might as well have been O'Neill.
"Life and death, light and darkness, hope and despair. The rift was created and on that day the Ori were born! But the hatred of those who strayed from the true path festered and bloomed in the dark corners of the Avernakis, to which they've been cast! And consumed by this hatred they poisoned all they touched, bringing death, darkness and despair! And the souls of their victims knew no peace until the Ori came and whispered to them: 'Sleep! For the end draws near!' And on that day all will rejoice when the Ori come and lay them low."
SGA is not even close
Sam Carter and Zoe were my heroes in my teens, even though there are a few from before for some reason those two especially resonated with me.
Stargate SG-1 benefits from the fact it didn't take itself too seriously. They did Stargate very well. I agree about Jack... in the latter seasons he was too "aloof" for my taste. What's funny to me is that he was replaced by the actor that played John in FarScape that suffered from the same ailment. Many times I thought John was being too "John" toward the end of FarScape. I agree, I thought Claudia and John injected the same fantastic chemistry we enjoyed in FarScape. IMO they (and the Ori storyline) refreshed the series and it could and should have continued. Most enjoyable series. I've watched it twice through, and I know I will enjoy it again someday. Love your vids!
I personally never liked the ori, to me they where just another parasite enemy like the wraths or Gohuld, I honestly thought that when they doing a semi parody or rather take on the Auther mythology. That the ori that we might get a take on Morganna, or the fie. A catch all term for magical beings in Auther myths. But their a barzo combernation of the medieval church and The devil. Getting your singles mixed up there SG. And while I could see the devil as an enemy to Authers mythology, the crunch is a little weird as an adversary considering how much the Auther myths tend to lean into Christian ideas.
Personally I would have liked the ori, to be this almost lovecraftion threat, a race even older than the Ancients that have weird reality warping powers and abilities. Cruel trickesters. Like fairys or Jinn.
I remember in the movie they said "abidos" was on the other side of the known universe but on SG1 the planet was a short distance from earth!
YES! Kurt Russell was BETTER! YES! Someone besides me says it aloud! YES!
Damn, I was really prepared to start lecturing how the SG1, while good, utterly failed to do justice to the amazing original film, but turned out you said all the things I've been thinking ^^
EDIT: also, Teal'c is the best damn character of the whole damn series. Gotta love the big dude.
The film was OK. Kurt Russell was bland and boring for most of the movie. SG-1 was leagues better than the movie, IMHO.
@@madcat1738 your humble opinion is wrong
@@khatack judging from the majority of comments here and elsewhere and the ratings and DVD sales at the time, it would appear I'm actually correct.
@@madcat1738 it might appear that way to you, but you're still wrong
Personally I love it when serious situations with less-than-serious characters is used as a form of comedy.
I love it, but at the end of the day SG-1 wasn't primarily intended as a comedy, so I understand how that can weaken a show whether I enjoy that or not.
Stargate SG-1 is my 2nd favorite Sci-fi series. I really enjoyed it , even if it did have flaws. What plot of what TV show doesn't have them? Not many for sure. Babylon 5 is my favorite and I don't see any new shows coming along that will knock either of these out of their spots.
I agree. Baal was Fun, but Anubis was the ultimate goauld threat and THE jumping the shark moment
I commented on Michael Shanks' muscle mass once, pointing out to a fellow SG1 fan that on the DVD packaging, the archaeologist has more muscles than the military man!
"my favorite addition is teal'c"
same mr.coleman..same
Kind wished they'd leaned more info ancient world (such as Egyptian vibes) rather than straight into Medieval with Chulak on SG-1