Revolutionary Trauma EXPERT, Dr. Peter A Levine, Reveals Secrets to Health & Human Connection
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- Опубликовано: 1 апр 2024
- Dive deep into the world of Somatic Experiencing with Dr. Peter A. Levine, the revolutionary developer of this transformative approach designed to help us access the body's stored memories in order to heal trauma.
Dr. Levine explains why releasing trauma is so IMPORTANT to our overall health, wealth, and ability to connect with others. He shares how traditional doctors initially didn't understand somatic experiencing and how the alarming prevalence of sexual trauma in our society impacts the way we communicate with one another.
DR. LEVINE ALSO BREAKS DOWN:
- How the brain compartmentalizes trauma as a survival mechanism
- The use of hallucinogens to process death
- The dangers of exposure therapy
- How the mechanism of dissociation can protect our mind-body from overwhlem
- What sexual trauma looks like emotionally & spiritually
- The role of creative imagination in determining our true selves
- Collective consciousness and his posthumous conversations with Albert Einstein
- How the mind-body holds memory of preverbal trauma, such as abandonment
- Dissipative & Catastrophe Theories and Premature Cognition
- What prevents us from returning to equilibrium after a traumatic event
- How play opens creativity
- Why we should have compassion for the child within us
This episode will change how you view your body's memories and the hidden power they hold in healing. From exploring the brain's survival mechanisms to unlocking the secrets of sexual trauma healing, don't miss this chance to discover the key to healing trauma!
*CONTENT WARNING*: This episode contains descriptions of sexual abuse.
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CHAPTERS:
5:24 - Welcoming Dr. Peter A Levine
6:32 - Significance of Dr. Levine's Journey
18:44 - Mind-Body Trauma Dynamics
26:08 - Creative Imagination & Einstein Conversations
41:14 - Dissipative Structures Explained
45:55 - Dr. Levine's Personal Transformation
50:00 - Addressing Sexual Trauma
55:35 - Body's Memory of Trauma
59:58 - Understanding Premature Cognition
1:01:30 - Embracing an Embodied Life
1:04:20 - Following Bodily Signals
1:07:10 - Play, Creativity, and Healing
1:21:37 - Trusting Our Memories
1:25:54 - Psychedelic Experiences & Support
1:32:06 - The Akashic Records
1:48:01 - Episode Conclusion
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“Trauma is a fact of life, but it does not have to be a life sentence” (written by Dr. Levine). THAT. In caps.
What a voice to survivors, doctors, trauma experts, and all of us who suffer or dea, better or worse, with some kind of trauma. Thanks for having him here! How I’d love an episode of Dr Levine and Dr. Gabor Maté together!
Oh my gosh that would be everything❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
My husband spoke to Dr. Levine after reading one of his books. My husband found him to be kind, thoughtful, helpful and full of wisdom. He really helps fill in a very central piece of the puzzle when it comes to therapy. I cannot wait to tell my husband you guys have interviewed Dr. Levine so he can listen too.! This is, yet, another amazing episode like so many others!❤
How did he get in touch with Dr. Levine? Would be of great help if you can let me know. :)
Somatic Experiencing, ISDTP and IFS have helped me recover from childhood trauma, and so many symptoms from Depression to Fibromyalgia to IBS!!!
Thanks for your comment. I'm in bad place and your comment has given me a little hope
I WAS 30 when my brain released my abuse. Thank you for mentioning that the focus should be on the HEALING
I had quite a few years of therapy, with moderate success, but always felt something was missing. It was only when I discovered Peter Levine, Stephen Porges and Bessel Van der Kolk's work did I realize what that missing element was - and yes, it was the body.
I found an SE practitioner and my progress is nothing short of amazing. So much gratitude for this podcast and for these brilliant scientists.
Yup lucky me found the same 3 abt 10 yrs ago OUTLOOK changing
❤OMG 30 years of therapy and I have been struggling with random anxiety attacks panic attacks and my mind knows what to do but I always fall short when it counts. Finally a past therapist said it's not your mind holding you back it's your body. So now I trying to explore how to heal my body. Thank you because I felt like all the self work I've done wasn't going to ever get me there and was about to give up. Now I have some hope again.....❤❤❤❤❤❤
We are on the right track, it's just a time CONSUMING JOB to pay attention to * keep alive & lively UPRIGHT MINDED . JUST KEEP ALIVE. * KEEP ON doing your very best detective work & self CARE ATTENTION daily. Keep positive minded. Eat non inflammation foods. & Do not allow anyone to abuse U. Do not Disrespect yourself or anyone. Be on guard * say NO to negative persons. 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
I’ve readhis ‘Waking The Tiger - Healing Trauma’ recommended by my GP doc after the sudden suicide of my bro few years ago. It helped me then. A lot. And I still re-read parts of it. So, having him at the podcast I follow religiously since its first episode is magnificent, amazing, stunning! Forever thankful! 💙
My body has been breaking down for over 5 years and am so isolated, I clicked this video so fast!
❤me too
Yep, me too.
Same.
Waking the Tiger was a brilliant book and helped me understand what I lived was trauma. Love Dr. Levine, what a beautiful soul.
Thank you Mayim for asking the questions that I am over here wondering.
Inquisitive minds want to know.
Honestly the only channel that goes deep into the psychology, physiology and asking the more pressing questions that others would never dare to.
The channel is greatly needed by those who wish to dig deep.
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Yes!!, 😃😼👏🏼
What a fantastic guest with such a calm, compassionate demeanor. That was an extremely thought-provoking episode. Thank you for having him on!
I greatly appreciate you finding such innovative, open-minded AND academically credentialed people who explore concepts that can seem fringe. The fact that Dr Levine would even entertain a discussion about the Akashic records without being dismissive delighted me. Thank you.
I would love to hear an interview with Richard Schwartz who created Internal Family Systems (IFS)
Dr. Levine. You're such a treasure. I'm grateful that my young experience pushed me towards therapy, but also Buddhism at a pretty young age (early 20s). Today I'm in my 50s and have a dedicated meditation practice. I've also decided to live by the precepts. This is the practice I chose...Levine gets to this idea that we teach the body these practices...the body remembers our traumas, but we can also teach our body to self-regulate. Simple, but not easy. I appreciate this conversation! Many thanks!
12 min in and I'm already fascinated - need this so much as I'm burned out and needing help that a conventional therapist in a small town in Wales UK is not likely to have heard about. As NLP/holstically trained - never ever, allow any one to walk you back 'into' your trauma - it does you no good what so ever, you don't need to be re-associated/re-anchored, you need help to evolve and be a much more healed version on the 'now you'. E. G. - think about it you can't heal a person with a chair phobia by asking them to hold or sit on a chair, therapists need to take a respectful approach to clients, go slowly and look for edges where growth can occur so the system can map growth..
Dr Gabor also talks about the trauma that newborns who get adopted after birth likely go through. This is so fascinating and I am glad I tuned in today! I can’t wait to dive into his autobiography! I love how you ask smart in depth questions Mayim!! ❤❤
His communication with Albert is also known as channeling. ❤
Dr Levine is the pioneer in the trauma field.
A pioneer, yes. But, there are several important others.
@@Merzui-kg8ds Peter levine, Bassel vander kolk, Steven purges, Dr schwartz, pat Ogden, Ruth lanious etc are the ones who pushes the boundaries in the trauma treatment.
The things that Dr Levine talked on the podcast helped me realised and made sense of some thing that had been so deeply imprinted in my body that I wasn't even aware of.
Somatic experiencing has really helped me…mostly sound and vibrational…getting so much more progress than psychotherapy, which helps too
I think Peter A. Levine is an adorable Bodhisattva, enlightened teacher. I love this podcast. Thanks so much. 🩷
This is a wonderful interview. I learned a lot.
The things Mayim and Jonathan said after the interview were very insightful. 💗
YES! I found Alan Gordon through this podcast; his 'The Way Out' has become my somatic bible. Now we get Peter Levine - fantastic :)
One of my favourite books!!
Bessel van der Kolk is amazing too! Great show!
Excellent interview with Dr. Peter A. Levine when it comes to releasing trauma. Keep it up with this really enjoyable podcast Mayim, you are the best! ❤
Great interview! I am a counselor and regularly have those I serve check in with their bodies and listen. It is amazing how as we listen to our bodies, from a grounded open and loving space, our bodies will guide us through the healing process bringing up emotions and memories at the perfect time.
I LOVE THIS PODCAST!!! Holy crap. Every single week, every guest, it just gets better. LOVE!
The trauma that can not be comprehended by our conscious mind your brain sends it to our subconcious mind until we can process it in our conscious mind
I'm excited to see Peter and Gabor together!
I have had an experience (I do not know what to label it as) but it was post trauma, it was the most beautiful experience I can recall in my life. To me more like “the kingdom is within you” the soul. To be in spiritual awareness the interview you did with Michael Singer was so powerful.
After hearing your interview Dr. Peter Levine I now see how special it was. Thank you for what you and Jonathan do! Love the break downs…..it’s like therapy
Since my experience, I have had dreams that I know bother me but I cannot recall or focus long enough to understand them. I would like to, but the details get fuzzy.
Does hypnosis resonate with you?
I remembered what happened to me when I was 3 years old. I "saw" a memory of "me" seeing myself from the hight, where I was hold. It was completely instrusive, painfull, terrifying, and I did not want to remember it. This happened when I was 21 years old. It took me 2 more decades to have more memories, and finally start to work on my fifties! I was fortunate d a therapist/psychologist that used a great variety of methods who has helped me deeply. She does not use Peter Levine methodology, but uses other methods using body energy, and trully relped me. I still visit the practice and work on other issues I have to deal now.
This episode was EPIC. I definitely need to watch/listen again to fully integrate this information. I love your channel ♥️
Outstanding interview with Dr. Peter Levine. I listened to the audio book a couple of weeks ago and since then I have been listening to his interviews which helps me understand and integrate the book more fully. There is a lesson in this. I have studied Carl Jung and am very familiar with his language. It's been a long time since someone has really expressed a true journey into wholeness. I think active imagination is one of the hidden tools and skills of the Self that wants to come into beingness. I was personally somewhat overwhelmed by Dr. Levine honesty in the book. Now after listening to him in several interviews, I am sensing what a gift he is sharing with all of us. He is truly modeling a life of coming into wholeness. He has been called to show us the way!
Would you be able to do a podcast about Mom's going through the process of their children moving out of the nest? How woman transitions from being a Mom 24/7 to being by themselves and having to figure out who they are alone(single Mom here). It is proving to be a big whopper for me and my mental health. I'd greatly benefit from that podcast too. Thank you.
Your not alone & yes - it’s crazy, nobody talks about it either
You need help. This is not healthy. This is codependency
You need to realize that your codependency is damaging your relationships with everyone.
Being a mom 24/7? This is codependency. Extremely damaging and unhealthy.
Look for some midlife health coach podcasts and you'll find this topic for sure. You're not alone.
Thank you all for this. Blessings to you & yours.
Loved the conversation and Dr. Levine's work. He's a treasure, for sure! 👏🙌💯
I had pre-ordered it and it was realised today!!!
Amazing conversation! I learn so much from every episode, thank you so much for that🙏🏼! I’m already looking forward to the next one next tuesday❤️! You guys are amazing 🧠🙌🏼
The 'wrap up' is always my favourite part. Thanks guys
Creative imaginings! I’ve been doing this all my life. Thanks for slapping a label on it and letting me know that many people do this too, to get through the rough spots (stuck spots) of living. ❤️😺
Mayim you’re the best!!
All of this resonated with me. I disassociate as a coping mechanism.
Eu não havia percebido que já tinha novo vídeo disponível, estou assistindo agora ....
Thank you. I love him so much.
So grateful for his being, contribution, to my life, to my work, thank you. My family also from same background, place. So relatable, at so many levels.
Such a wonderful neshama.
I LOVE this! This is so interesting and I am going to check into more of his books etc. Thank you all for a great podcast.
Love that he had a full on psychedelic experience eating soup. Anything can be a portal.
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Mayim, THANK YOU! Wow, this discussion was life-changing.
I Absolutely adore your service, guys. it is a different nature. thanks!
I experience being tied into a larger consciousness all the time! I come up with great ideas for products, and then a little while later, the product comes out. Or I think of scientific studies I wish would be done, and then I find out years later they were done. I can sometimes read people's thoughts, like I'll think of something, and then someone else will say it out loud. I consider it some sort of telepathic ability. It makes sense that I'm tapping into the collective unconscious at times too. I'm so glad you had this guest on!! I read a book of his over 20 years ago, and loved it, but I had forgotten about it!
Wow! i can't imagine how amazing this episode was! I wanted to talk to him. He is really great! So much to learn in this episode! Can't express it but i definitely will write it down on my "MBB Notes" ❤ Thank you for having him Mayim & Jonathan! ❤😊
Dr. Levine's discovery related to Albert Einstein has moved me so deeply. Thank you so much.🤗🩷
I'm glad there's so many ads. wouldn't want a tribe lady to go without
I love Jonathan and his thoughts💕
I just love you and all your works in this world
Thank you, this episode opened my mind and gave me guidance on what I feel and where I should look. hi from Colombia !
So glad this one resonated with you. Thanks very much for sharing, and for being here! 🫶🧠
So timely for this to show up on my feed. I’m feeling very defeated, exhausted, and like I absolutely cannot do this anymore. Trying my hardest to find a job that allows me to take care of myself as well. I have no idea where to even look anymore I feel people are not honest in interviews or maybe there is a disconnect between HR and what is actually going on. What do other people do for a living while having the capacity to care for themselves? I have no one, never had anyone so I’m used to it, but it is a little different sometimes than others situation
This was wonderful!! I have Somatization Disorder Due Childhood Trauma, CPTSD. I have Fibromalgia. Yay, my body keeping score. I'd love to ask him questions.
Thanks for sharing
I liked Jonathon's "mind body recesses" idea. Levine's work suggests to me holding space for ourselves to meander the ecosystem that is our inner selves, becoming familiar with it rather than imposing an academic sense of control, judgement and catagorisation of our experience. The restlessness I feel trying to articulate my inner experience to myself, much less others, is too circular to be helpful most of the time.
Such an interesting episode!
This is fascinating!
Thank you for this podcast!! Very interesting!
About 10 years ago, I suffered a trauma. The details came out when I was trying to figure out (remember) how I injured my tailbone.
Apparently, I fainted and landed on my tailbone during an event where I was a victim of a crime... The body and mind will remember.... eventually...
Again, thank you!
Thank you ❤😊
this truly is THE best unpack of learning about embodiment!..i get why-better than ever-as to (why) levine's works were our foundative to acclimate us students through this psycho-somatic wayward in processing our life's findings-per where we started at the time we did, & could go on by so-such improve/empower. thank you never-ending for! the 3rd plane palpable realize!:)
Great show
This podcast was life- changing for me. Ty to all 3 of you for this. Wow. I have watched several “ breakdowns “ and found them interesting and timely on a more gentle level, but this one stood out by addressing the scars and hope of recovery from sexual trauma, with a scientific depth in the explanations that I need. Personally and professionally excellent. This should be taught to anyone working in the mental health, public health or really any health sector. I will be recommending it a good friend taking her last exams further psychiatry. And then the comment about the mysterious Hungarian side…oh yea!
I was aware of somatic symptoms, triggers etc but only felt the titration could happen naturally (not a fan of child within, or EST or reliving).
Regarding past theories and treatments, typical medical thinking- evidence- based is buzzword, but the psyche can’t be dissected like the human body. They didn’t cure people, but helped some to get unstuck from the paralysis of anxiety, (albeit temporarily), and go to work and live. Now, hopefully, we can grow, even in our old age. I’ve always been very aware of body memory, but now it has a name I guess. Like intuition, sensing things and somatic reactions- I thought they just existed. Other than spiritually or for safety, I’ve avoided the uncomfortable ones !
You know this is going to be a good one when the guest hasn't said anything yet and I already have a full page of notes
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I googled something she mentioned before her guest came on 😂
This is super eye-opening and definitely makes you rethink the concept that kids won’t remember it anyway it’s also making me realize I’m gonna own my daughter some therapy when she’s older
I'm not sure if this is a Body memory. It's a positive one. And it happend today!
I think it's a very cute story:
I'm sick at the moment.
I watched the podcast earlier today.
I started feeling a lot worse later this day. I'll spare the details. I took some medication. Suddenly I start shaking uncontrolled in my bed!!! (It's ok i'm Not in danger and my other Symptoms were luckily gone) It lasted about 10 minutes I think!
As I calmed down, I realized that I was holding my teddy bear's paw with one hand. I got this stuffed animal for my 1st birthday 20 years ago. (No, I don't think you can get too old for stuffed animals)
Suddenly the podcast popped into my head and I thought: Body memory?
I picked him up and put him on my lap. It felt incredibly comforting. He's so felted and so familiar.
I don't remember doing anything special with this teddy. But it's been with me for 20 years and my body remembers. What exacty, I don't know.
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Basically Another Awesome Episode 👊😊✊♈🍁♈
I'm Connor Clouse from the state of Texas. And Mayim, you're such an amazing comedian!
This inner knowledge, in the Veda literature, Bardo Thodol, they speak about the Yi-dam. This is the conscience, the inner self. Something that we know from the inside
I'm pleased to say I worked on Peter's Macintosh. :)
I’m please to say I worked on Macintosh’s Peter 😏
So when we don't have an emotionally safe place, we are less likely to discharge that energy or process the event. Resilience could look like access to safe others, at least one person willing to be an empathetic witness and hold that space.
fascinating
I’d love to converse with your guest about my experiences and theories about them. Your recent guests have aligned with my past experiences and added to my current understanding.
My experiences with oneness started in my 20s, at last as I understand it. I’d love to share them! (I’ll add to this later. Time to go practice!)
I have had metaphysical (oneness even psychic/ precognitive) experiences as a result of my mind-body studies. I’ve studied psychology, biology, music and dance… anthropology .. mediation
I agree with the mentions about the ads. Do them at the beginning. The disruption resembles a TV show from the 70s. Haven't we evolved?
Acabei de assistir, realmente viver nunca foi fácil, nossos tratos um com o outro como seres humanos sempre estarão sujeitos a traumas,atritos , etc.
E, em comparação com os animais, nós, humanos, ao sofrermos um trauma, diferente dos animais que tremer, e se recuperam, nós muitas vezes não conseguimos fazer isso, porque, diferente dos animais, nós temos a capacidade de raciocínio, que os animais não tem, e muitas vezes, isso nos leva a sofrer.
Obrigado pelo vídeo de hoje!!
Referring to Jonathan's notion of cellphones and computers as distractions - I'm old enough to remember parks and places where children would meet but those modalities are irresponsible for today's kids - unfortunately it's a pretty sick world we live in and having kids embrace technology for research and entertainment is something that will keep them safe at home - I would never leave my child alone in a park or neighborhood street without supervision - that said we as adults don't read much anymore not for lack of time but it's so much easier to google the question in your mind rather than read a book which could take a few days - otherwise excellent episode - you guys are doing a great service allowing us to embrace knowledge and improve our terms of expression in a forum of entertainment - Thank You❤
Had a happy childhood thank God - no abuse no sexual trauma - so unfortunate that sex exploitation in the family is so recurrent - there should be laws protecting children from sick parentals out there - they should get therapy at a discount - love your podcast Mayim & Jonathan - love your medical lexicon - modalities and notions love it all - I always look forward to a fresh Tuesday episode❤
In discussing, the subject matter of adding energy to the brain creates messy system, essentially, What does that mean for say, Dobowski's highly excitable individual? Or a highly sensitive person?
Basically, if my resting state is highly excitable, then I am constantly adding energy to a messy brain? I mean, it's validating and it makes sense if i'm grasping this concept accurately.
Peter levine great guy 👦, A Healer no doubt.
Thank you so much for Introducing me to "Dr Peter A. Lavine." Listening to him and fully understanding his thoughts and theories about trauma was very enlightening. Simply put I have been through some traumatic experiences more than once throughout my life. Enough said. I have been wanting to get rid of my use of drug therapy for years now without any success no matter how much I wanted it due to the side effects of the withdrawal and not dealing with the traumatic experiences. I am buying and going to try to find a therapist that uses his somatic experiencing theory! However I feel it is exactly what is needed to heal not theory in my opinion. ❤😊 Again Thank you Dr. Peter A. Lavine for sharing your own personal experiences with us and our potential to heal our traumatic thoughts. Thank you Mayik for sharing this podcast with me (us.)
Sending all the positivity your way on your healing journey, Kathy !! Thanks so much for sharing 🫶
@@MayimBialik You are so welcome! So sorry I spelled your name wrong.
Collective consciousness = shared cognitive philosophies/traditions/ideas
Great
Big fan of Bing Bang and your character. Just subscribed, long time don’t see on internet. I’m curious about the books you have there. The only title I can read is A Radical Awakening is it from Dr. Shefali? Do you recommend it? I work in the mental health field and very interested in neuroscience. Hugs from 🇯🇵
i've really adored the attempt of writing on implicit and procedural memory in application with "Memory Drawing: Perceptual Training and Recall" by Darren R. Rousar it's a library favorite of mine! i think he tackles the abstraction of that surprisingly easefully in wording, although this is an applied skill i do not (yet) possess but i've watched visual artist friends hone and nurture this skill of throughbodied-mentalization! love that the drum has this planetary type of structure to it, is it martian or venusian maybe or just moonlike 🧐
Please do another Ask Mayim Anything soon !! I submitted a novel last month 😅. ❤
PTSD when you disassociation can suck at times. Disassociation can be triggered by sounds, voice, loud noises, physical pain or smell
I've had a lot coming up this past year - inner child stuff and have been using Reiki, sound therapy and crystals to change my energy. I would have laughed at that in the past, although I spent decades on tranquilizers and alcohol among other things that sent me into 12 step recovery and fitness - spiritual exploration, TM, etc. and I have to say what I am doing now is more effective than anything else that I've tried in the past. Or maybe it's just a part of the long journey to healing...
Teal Swan. Fragmentation. Trauma healing, ancestral healing. She explains all of this so clearly and why everything happens. Would be amazing if you could have her on your show. She’s tapped into things us normal folks aren’t 😂. She is so knowledgeable and so interesting. Another indigo child 👍🏼
According to the Oh No Ross and Carrie podcast, she’s dangerous and should not be followed.
She just regurgitates the experts research along with some new age dogma. She's a narcissist, there's nothing enlightened or wise about her.
There is a documentary called the The Deep End. You should watch it!
@@sherryg1838I’d give her a listen and decide on your own
What's going on with Spotify?
I can't get the podcast to play, and still didn't work on my husband's account.
Mt bom...💙💙🌨
Re: "The Collective" In my experience and what I've heard from many others, is that, to start: We are human animals. All humans, plants, animals, insects, etc., are made up of atoms, right? Atoms break down, ultimately, into energetic particles. So, we are all, critters and plants and the entire earth and all who live within and upon it, ultimately just a collective of energy. On an atomic level, atoms and etc. are constantly interacting, swapping electrons and so on, right? On this energetic level, we ARE all connected, interacting constantly, so at the atomic level, all of us could be considered a collective. The more mystical view also holds that, as an energetic collective, we also share a collective consciousness. This has been supported by documented instances of both humans and critters learning the same or extraordinarily similar ideas at the same time while living in remote-from-each-other places, such as Newton's Law of Gravity and birds learning how to open motion-activated doors to enter and exit buildings. From this perspective, some say we ARE all one overall energetic being (universe and all!) who are separated only by our thoughts and beliefs otherwise. And variations upon that theme abound as well. This is, perhaps, a wee bit over-simplified...
Just have to say, I got nervous when I saw the name on the title having just read one of Dr Levine’s book and thought “gosh I hope he’s not an a$$”
I am blown away. With all due 🙏🏼
Can you get Pat Ogden or Kekuni Minton from Sensorimotor Psychotherapy? They are important in the somatic therapy world and bring what i've found to be the most meaningful way to treatment complex trauma.
PLEASE get Pat Ogden or Kekuni Minton from Sensorimotor Psychotherapy. :)
29:28 Creative imagination- Albert Einstein
Through a type of somatic therapy I have been doing, I have been able to understand things about my life experience that my mind alone has never have been able to grasp. There is some aspect of somatic work for me that has to do with my imagination, and applying it to being in my body, if that makes sense.
Cannot access or process my trauma. And cannot afford or find an expert to guide me. So, i guess i'm screwed.
I wanted to enjoy this interview but I felt like Peter was not giving basic enough explanations of the mechanisms of story stuff in the body mind and how it is later released, etc. I will listen again and see if I missed something.