You must have missed the packleader from AFR. You even said that there were only some old cards retroactively changed to werewolves that were not from Innistrad. But this one must have gotten enough points to make the list. It was central to monogreen aggro in Standard for almost a year. Which was one of the few decks that could compete with all the Izzet piles in that period. Three people brought this deck to World championship 2021 and one made it into to 8. That's 2 points. Did no one bring this deck to top 8 in any other tournament?
Your ability to make well-crafted lists backed by data or logical personal opinions is unmatched. Thank you for the continued output of solid content, been enjoying the draft streams too when I can catch them!
I'm curious as to how many points Werewolf Pack Leader has. I remember that card being pretty common in standard, did that just not translate to top 8s?
Outland liberator is a surprisingly good card. I use it in commander running a golgari graveyard recursion and use it to get rid of artifacts and enchantments then bring it back from my graveyard when i need it again.
I’ll never get sick of that awesome animated intro Nizzahon! What program did you use to do the animation? (If you don’t mind me asking that is) Another great video mate, keep it up! 👍. I know you work hard putting out these videos, (you can tell by the high quality of them) the community loves you for it. On behalf of all your viewers in the MTG community, thank you Nizzahon!
First standard deck I ever took to a tournament was a Gatecrash era Gruul werewolves deck. It wasn't good, but it was super fun and werewolves are still my favorite tribe to this day
Tl;dr: I'd love to see a top wolves! I have been WRECKING modern (okay, just doing better than it has a right to) with a mono green wolves-NOT-werewolves deck using some choice wolves, Ranger Class (arguably the best "bear" in the game) with 3 or 4 copies each of Druid's Deliverance and Moonmist. Having 6-8 fogs that also generate creatures or serve as removal, occasionally one-sided board wipes for just 2 mana is pretty nice.
I'm legit suprised to see werewolf pack leader isn't on the list I could of sw9rn that card saw a bunch of play during its time in standard or at least enough to beat out the bottom of the list
Ahh werewolves, if there's one thing not enough games have, it's werewolves. They're just so awesome. I've been meaning to build a werewolf tribal EDH deck but have just never gotten around to it, this video has finally inspired me to actually do it. Entirely off topic but I felt like saying it anyway, but I am giving up my Australian citizenship and defecting to New Zealand after our abysmal performance in the cricket game, it was so bad we left early. If they had just announced "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)" instead, I think it would have been better.
Nah, it was a key card in the Wolf Run Ramp decks. It could gum up the ground and gain life against aggro but could also pressure control players. It held the fort until the deck got to 6 mana for Inferno or Primeval Titan
@@SirZapdos I guess if you ran enough ramp to get on Turn 3, it'd hold the line against pure aggro decks but Turn 4+ would seem a bit slow for 2 2/2s (with needing to save 1 of them). And yes, anything that makes tokens or does damage like this would be hell against a control deck if you could keep it in play.
@@woodysmith2681 The deck did have ramp with Rampant Growth, Sphere of the Suns and GSZ into BoP. So turn 3 Huntmaster happened more often than you'd think.
This is an odd idea for a top 10. I bet there are some cards that have appeared more often than others in various top 10 videos. I want a top 10 where it's based on the frequency of a cards appearance on your lists. Where the ranking would be this card appeared the most often, showing up in "X" many lists.
@@Nolanrooney17 thank you for correcting me!!! Everything came out in a span of like 2 weeks (I know it wasn't but felt like it) and honestly forgot AFR was a thing
Wotc’s handling of werewolves in the recent Innistrad sets was certainly not going to be an easy task. I have my disappointments with midnight hunt not truly being a Renaissance for werewolf tribal like I’d hope but I guess if it means standard and limited aren’t completely screwed by them, then I suppose it is what it is.
In 60 card constructed it wasn't maybe but the printing of Tovolar instantly made Commander werewolves possible, and not just possible but pretty good.
@@stevesmith5883 very true but it feels a bit off that not only does the new mechanic make trying to use both old and new werewolves sometimes unwieldy, you can’t even play some of the best new werewolves with Tovalar since they break color identity rules so no black, Boros or Simic werewolves for you.
@@vinnythewebsurfer Yeah i get you. I honestly forget the other coloured werewolves exist myself as I'm a big fan of only 1 or 2 colour commander decks so Gruul is perfect for me personally. Yh the blending mechanics can be a bit annoying but Tovolar fixes a lot of that. Probably could have been handled better yes but I'm still pretty pleased with how my werewolf deck turned out.
it's both funny and sad how there are genuinely good and efficient cards among the tribe, with a couple of legit bombs but somehow they refuse to work as a tribe an perform far better on their own in other decks... when they are supposed to live in packs lore wise f for my favorite tribal deck that will never be viable
Absolutely astonished that Werewolf Packleader didn't make it
This blows my mind
Yeah agreed. I think he may have just forgotten all about it tbh
Yeah, I expected that the reason Nizzahon didn’t shout it out as a non-Innistrad werewolf was because it was gonna show up on the list.
I'm pretty sure he missed it, because Packleader has surely enough points to make this list
What moves has it been making and in what formats? The only ruffles I've heard where in conjunction with Embiggen.
You must have missed the packleader from AFR. You even said that there were only some old cards retroactively changed to werewolves that were not from Innistrad. But this one must have gotten enough points to make the list. It was central to monogreen aggro in Standard for almost a year. Which was one of the few decks that could compete with all the Izzet piles in that period.
Three people brought this deck to World championship 2021 and one made it into to 8. That's 2 points. Did no one bring this deck to top 8 in any other tournament?
I only found 2 more top 8s for the card from the events that get counted in these videos, it has I think 6 points
Just wanted to say i love the intro and the theme you do every october!
Your ability to make well-crafted lists backed by data or logical personal opinions is unmatched. Thank you for the continued output of solid content, been enjoying the draft streams too when I can catch them!
Dang - Huntmaster is a beast. It’s a shame modern is in a place where its competitiveness is medium at present.
This made my night, came home to a new top 10 and it's one I've been hoping for since a few months ago.
I'm curious as to how many points Werewolf Pack Leader has. I remember that card being pretty common in standard, did that just not translate to top 8s?
Outland liberator is a surprisingly good card. I use it in commander running a golgari graveyard recursion and use it to get rid of artifacts and enchantments then bring it back from my graveyard when i need it again.
That intro was absolutely awesome! It had me hooked from the get-go
I’ll never get sick of that awesome animated intro Nizzahon! What program did you use to do the animation? (If you don’t mind me asking that is)
Another great video mate, keep it up! 👍. I know you work hard putting out these videos, (you can tell by the high quality of them) the community loves you for it.
On behalf of all your viewers in the MTG community, thank you Nizzahon!
First standard deck I ever took to a tournament was a Gatecrash era Gruul werewolves deck. It wasn't good, but it was super fun and werewolves are still my favorite tribe to this day
Poor Birds always getting killed when the werewolf transforms! 🕊🕊🕊🐺
Tl;dr: I'd love to see a top wolves!
I have been WRECKING modern (okay, just doing better than it has a right to) with a mono green wolves-NOT-werewolves deck using some choice wolves, Ranger Class (arguably the best "bear" in the game) with 3 or 4 copies each of Druid's Deliverance and Moonmist. Having 6-8 fogs that also generate creatures or serve as removal, occasionally one-sided board wipes for just 2 mana is pretty nice.
Damn thought the AFR werewolf was gonna sneak in at #10
I'm legit suprised to see werewolf pack leader isn't on the list I could of sw9rn that card saw a bunch of play during its time in standard or at least enough to beat out the bottom of the list
Extremely surprised that Outland Liberator has that many points already.
I knew it was good and expected it to be on the list, but how high up was wild.
Sideboard card rack up points very quickly since they can be played in many different decks.
Ahh werewolves, if there's one thing not enough games have, it's werewolves. They're just so awesome. I've been meaning to build a werewolf tribal EDH deck but have just never gotten around to it, this video has finally inspired me to actually do it. Entirely off topic but I felt like saying it anyway, but I am giving up my Australian citizenship and defecting to New Zealand after our abysmal performance in the cricket game, it was so bad we left early. If they had just announced "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)" instead, I think it would have been better.
Surprised to see so many original Innistrad lycans here still, given how much better the Daybound/Nightbound mechanic is.
Nice intro dude!
Thanks!
Scorned villager and village messenger are pet cards of mine.
Keep up the great work!
I'm getting too scared of these top tens. The only thing that will be scarier is a spooky worst list
Might be a good idea for a list: Top 10 Cards That Are Supposed To Be Scary, But Just Look Goofy (in the art).
@@llongone2 Mishra's Workshop lol
Oh, easy one, Huntmaster of the Fells.
"easy", even though Liberator almost has overtaken it. xD
curious how well graveyard trespasser is doing
are you going to MTG 30 in Las Vegas?
Huntsmaster as a mid-range? It's good value for 4 mana, but it seems more like a pure aggro card, to keep turning out tokens or removing blockers.
Nah, it was a key card in the Wolf Run Ramp decks. It could gum up the ground and gain life against aggro but could also pressure control players. It held the fort until the deck got to 6 mana for Inferno or Primeval Titan
@@SirZapdos I guess if you ran enough ramp to get on Turn 3, it'd hold the line against pure aggro decks but Turn 4+ would seem a bit slow for 2 2/2s (with needing to save 1 of them).
And yes, anything that makes tokens or does damage like this would be hell against a control deck if you could keep it in play.
@@woodysmith2681 back then creatures went a lot further, especially if they dropped mulitple bodies.
@@woodysmith2681 The deck did have ramp with Rampant Growth, Sphere of the Suns and GSZ into BoP. So turn 3 Huntmaster happened more often than you'd think.
The Eldrazi werewolves are so bad, not of them are close to making this list.
where are the timestamps!
I refuse to believe that Werewolf Pack Leader has zero points.
This is an odd idea for a top 10. I bet there are some cards that have appeared more often than others in various top 10 videos. I want a top 10 where it's based on the frequency of a cards appearance on your lists. Where the ranking would be this card appeared the most often, showing up in "X" many lists.
Not all innistrad werewolves are double faced. The pack leader is not, and has both human and werewolf typing as flavor
Packleader is AFR actually, so I think all new ones from Innistrad at least are
@@Nolanrooney17 thank you for correcting me!!! Everything came out in a span of like 2 weeks (I know it wasn't but felt like it) and honestly forgot AFR was a thing
@@robyngwendolynshiloh5277 I don't blame you, between WOTC pumping out sets and a werewolf being in a not Innistrad set it's easy to assume it
Werewolves are op imho. Too strong too fast, chaotic and erratic they are definitely not the most deeply-thought expansion.
Wotc’s handling of werewolves in the recent Innistrad sets was certainly not going to be an easy task. I have my disappointments with midnight hunt not truly being a Renaissance for werewolf tribal like I’d hope but I guess if it means standard and limited aren’t completely screwed by them, then I suppose it is what it is.
In 60 card constructed it wasn't maybe but the printing of Tovolar instantly made Commander werewolves possible, and not just possible but pretty good.
@@stevesmith5883 very true but it feels a bit off that not only does the new mechanic make trying to use both old and new werewolves sometimes unwieldy, you can’t even play some of the best new werewolves with Tovalar since they break color identity rules so no black, Boros or Simic werewolves for you.
@@vinnythewebsurfer Yeah i get you. I honestly forget the other coloured werewolves exist myself as I'm a big fan of only 1 or 2 colour commander decks so Gruul is perfect for me personally. Yh the blending mechanics can be a bit annoying but Tovolar fixes a lot of that. Probably could have been handled better yes but I'm still pretty pleased with how my werewolf deck turned out.
it's both funny and sad how there are genuinely good and efficient cards among the tribe, with a couple of legit bombs
but somehow they refuse to work as a tribe an perform far better on their own in other decks... when they are supposed to live in packs lore wise
f for my favorite tribal deck that will never be viable
To me, the best Werewolf would be a Jund Werewolf with haste, trample, AND hexproof that can buff other werewolves on their backside.
... and meanwhile he/she makes you a cup of coffee too? 😂
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planeswalkers ruined magic for sure , they took over the game