Invisible Effects: The Painful Work You Never Notice

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  • Опубликовано: 21 июл 2024
  • This is an episode about the most horrible part of filmmaking that almost no one ever speaks about. Additionally, it's a lot of work that is well... invisible. But this time we are uncovering it all!! We are spilling all the dirty secrets from our film and showing how we fixed all the mistakes that occurred during production because that's how films are made... with lots and lots of mistakes.
    00:00 WHAT ARE INVISIBLE EFFECTS?
    1:27 PRESS CONFERENCE WIDE ANGLE
    2:22 PRESS CONFERENCE CLEANUP
    5:24 ADDING MORE PEOPLE IN THE SHOT
    6:52 TOILET WIDE ANGLE
    8:42 COMBINING TWO SHOTS
    9:44 POINTLESS HEAD REPLACEMENT
    11:30 TV ROTOSCOPING NIGHTMARE
    12:33 WHITE HOUSE ROTOSCOPING NIGHTMARE
    13:46 BEDTIME STORY
    #blender3d #blender #aftereffects #filmmaking
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  • @Rifty
    @Rifty 4 месяца назад +103

    Compositors are the unsung heroes of CG 😭

  • @MattBixler
    @MattBixler 4 месяца назад +38

    4:23 I recently told another animator I was training "some errors are things we need to fix, and some errors are little presents we give to people who look for errors."

  • @JonkariP
    @JonkariP 4 месяца назад +60

    You have become one of my favourite youtubers. The stuff you do is so creative and amazing. Love seeing the process you show in the videos!

    • @sliceoflifefilm
      @sliceoflifefilm  4 месяца назад +1

      Thanks so much 😊

    • @imiy
      @imiy 3 месяца назад +2

      This is the best filmmaking channel.

  • @Thetom5000
    @Thetom5000 4 месяца назад +25

    stuff like this reignites my passion for film-making, can't wait to see the final film!

  • @hazonku
    @hazonku 4 месяца назад +18

    "Now you're never going to be able to unsee it & it's going to ruin the film for you. You're welcome."
    Thank you! I LOVE those sorta shots.

  • @IndyStry
    @IndyStry 4 месяца назад +24

    As a compositor I loved this episode! Tons of hidden things we do that never get noticed in a film! Couple of things I would say:
    For the 7:22 shot, probably at the time of you working on this, Photoshop didn't have generative fill but now it does and for static locked off shots like that, it is perfect for extending the background using AI instead of clone stamping patterns from the existing scene.
    Also the white roto shape at 13:07 that comes flying in for a second of work was hilarious to watch.
    Great work Luka, if you ever need VFX or comp help, I am happy to collab!

    • @sliceoflifefilm
      @sliceoflifefilm  4 месяца назад +5

      Yes the AI tools arrived after I finished work on this... Thanks a lot man, I looked at your channel and WOW! Your shots are extremely nicely done and cinematic!! I'll check some more videos. I gotta get into Unreal at least a little bit. Its insanely powerful! ❤❤

    • @IndyStry
      @IndyStry 4 месяца назад +2

      @@sliceoflifefilm thanks man, appreciate your time checking out my work! ❤️🙏 My free city building UE5 course is pretty beginner friendly and 8 hours long. With your vision and artistic eye, you'll finish the course in no time and end up with something gorgeous. If you ever take the course, I would love to see what you make with it! 😍

    • @sliceoflifefilm
      @sliceoflifefilm  4 месяца назад +3

      @@IndyStry I'l look it up! 😉

  • @krach1854
    @krach1854 4 месяца назад +5

    Even if this channel had a hundred million subscribers or your films were praised all around the world, you'd still be underrated.
    Nothing tops the quality of your videos, so fascinating and informative. I end up craving to shoot a whole film by myself after finishing watching each of them!

  • @xincheng999
    @xincheng999 Месяц назад

    This is the kind of filmmaking I love. Solve problems creatively.

  • @niktri8312
    @niktri8312 4 месяца назад +2

    As someone who has done his share of rotoscoping, that shot of all the glasses going up and down caused me to have a panic attack

  • @dailyphilosophy
    @dailyphilosophy 3 месяца назад +2

    For me, this is one of the most inspiring filmmaking channels on RUclips. And I love that you discuss all the failures too. It's enormously encouraging to see how one can, with a lot of hard work, get wonderful results out of essentially no resources. Thanks!

  • @sunnynaguri
    @sunnynaguri 4 месяца назад +2

    12:18 I feel the pain of your friend. Thank you, Dan!

  • @davebrainvfx
    @davebrainvfx 3 месяца назад

    Invisible effects are the best effects, and the ones people should be the proudest of. Thanks for blowing my mind a couple of times!

  • @joelonsdale
    @joelonsdale 4 месяца назад +1

    So much hard work - can't wait to see the final movie!

  • @blackridgeproductions2738
    @blackridgeproductions2738 4 месяца назад +1

    Man I don’t know if you realize how great this is for you to share it. Thank you for all the hard work you’ve done and how you’ve put it out here for free for us to watch and learn.

  • @matsnilson7727
    @matsnilson7727 4 месяца назад +1

    That's an insane amount of work that the viewer never will notice. It's always great to see your level of problem solving when it comes to fleshing out and/or fixing certain shots. The results are very impressive. As always - thanks for sharing! 👍

  • @TheProppShop
    @TheProppShop 4 месяца назад +1

    This triggers so many painful hours I've spent in post, ha. Thank you for making these behind the scenes videos! The time you spend is greatly appreciated.

    • @sliceoflifefilm
      @sliceoflifefilm  4 месяца назад +2

      So glad you enjoyed it! Thank you! ♥️

  • @StoutheartEntertain
    @StoutheartEntertain 4 месяца назад

    always entertaining, informative, and looking great.. the roto etc is paying off!

  • @nachogst
    @nachogst 3 месяца назад

    Love this vídeo style!! Nice Work like always!

  • @SternFX
    @SternFX 4 месяца назад

    Amazing labour of love! Thanks for sharing your process it's so inspiring.

  • @mintsaucemilitia
    @mintsaucemilitia 3 месяца назад

    "And now you're never going to be able to unsee it, and it will ruin the film for you." 😂
    Amazing, inspiring, and fun video as always!

  • @RadianFilms64
    @RadianFilms64 4 месяца назад

    This is just amazing! Love seeing these videos and the techniques uses to create something like this. It is a loooot of work... But love the end result from what you showed us so far. Nice one! 😃😃

  • @radiostar8429
    @radiostar8429 3 месяца назад

    I just got your video randomly on my feed and man oh man you're amazing!!

  • @user-fj5mo3wk3s
    @user-fj5mo3wk3s 4 месяца назад

    Love this channel!!! It Motivates me to stay tunned with my hobby flim projects.

  • @charlie1872
    @charlie1872 4 месяца назад

    Really enjoyed that. I love watching this type of video. Thanks for sharing

  • @NostalgiNorden
    @NostalgiNorden 4 месяца назад

    Another awesome clip!

  • @rodelbrown6638
    @rodelbrown6638 3 месяца назад

    A good morning to the amazing team at Slice of Life. I'm an up-and-coming filmmaker in Philadelphia, USA. I came across your You Tube channel a few months ago and fell in love with it. Your channel is definitely one of my favorites. You are also a huge inspiration to me as well. Keep up the great work guys.

    • @sliceoflifefilm
      @sliceoflifefilm  3 месяца назад

      Thanks for the lovely comment and good luck on your filmmaking journey! 😉😉♥️

  • @TheFormActually
    @TheFormActually 4 месяца назад

    dude, this looks amazing. can't wait to see the final product. Honestly, I'm super excited and happy that there are such talented people in Croatia. Bravo momci !!!

  • @leonasceramics
    @leonasceramics 3 месяца назад

    This is freaking amazing!

  • @MalibuDollface
    @MalibuDollface 4 месяца назад

    You guys are amazing . This is the push I needed to start my own film I been dragging my feet on for 3 years. Please keep doing all this.

  • @ngarcinvideo
    @ngarcinvideo 4 месяца назад

    So good ! Can't wait to see the movie !

  • @bmxbanditdude
    @bmxbanditdude 3 месяца назад

    Wow, just incredible. I love seeing the work that is done behind the scene. Thank you for the explanation!

  • @Moriarty2007
    @Moriarty2007 4 месяца назад +1

    Nice, nice, nice! Thanks for a new video!

  • @chriskon6229
    @chriskon6229 4 месяца назад

    Amazing work, tons of stuff I'd never even knew work that was done on in post! Its great to see combinination of the traditional techniques with 3d work in the movie!

  • @TLuijpen
    @TLuijpen 4 месяца назад

    You guys are geniusses (geneii (??) ) , respect!! I LOVE watching these videos!!! Can't wait for the final product!! Good luck!!

  • @JRRobeck
    @JRRobeck 4 месяца назад

    Appreciate the love for rotoscoping! Very clever solutions and great work you do. Can't wait to see the final film.

    • @sliceoflifefilm
      @sliceoflifefilm  4 месяца назад +3

      Love for rotoscoping??? There's no love for rotoscoping here 😂😂😂♥️

  • @sumit2658
    @sumit2658 4 месяца назад

    Utterly fascinating, incredibly inspiring and hugely entertaining 👍🏻💪🏽 more please

  • @pierreperichaud1618
    @pierreperichaud1618 4 месяца назад

    Super interesting ! Thank you.

  • @Ayogenius67
    @Ayogenius67 3 месяца назад

    this is real beautiful to watch

  • @richardksimpson800
    @richardksimpson800 4 месяца назад

    These are great. Your passion and exuberance are wonderful. Please keep making these videos.

  • @makezings
    @makezings 4 месяца назад

    simply the best! I love this !

  • @TheAFreeLife
    @TheAFreeLife 4 месяца назад

    Yoooo THIS was soooo KILLING!!! 🎯🔥🤘🏾

  • @eclectipunk
    @eclectipunk 4 месяца назад

    These making of videos are so ridiculously interesting, entertaining and informative. Can’t wait to see the film!

  • @SomewhatAbnormal
    @SomewhatAbnormal 4 месяца назад

    I love the way you work, and your sense of humor. It translates well here on RUclips. Anyway, keep it up!

  • @Lj3942
    @Lj3942 4 месяца назад

    learned a lot. thanks mate. you deserve more audience..

  • @stevegreen9474
    @stevegreen9474 3 месяца назад

    Love this, especially the digital gym for Matt's head transplant!
    I've had a few rotoscope/fx fixes painting out tourists/bystanders behind water spray etc - it's weirdly the most un-fun part, but also satisfying when you fix things.
    I've been pretty impressed with Resolve's magic mask over rotobrush, but most of the time I've used Mocha, just breaking it down into different body parts...

    • @sliceoflifefilm
      @sliceoflifefilm  3 месяца назад

      I gotta try davinci! ❤❤

    • @stevegreen9474
      @stevegreen9474 3 месяца назад

      @@sliceoflifefilm I really like it - Fusion is taking a while to learn, but the rest of it is pretty easy to get going with (plus the studio version came with the Blackmagic)

  • @giorgio18755
    @giorgio18755 4 месяца назад

    Im such a fan of your channel,! You guys have a talent for this and I am ready to see the full movie 🥳

  • @MicDoesThings
    @MicDoesThings 4 месяца назад

    Always great when one of your videos comes out!

  • @Ali_Kisitu
    @Ali_Kisitu 4 месяца назад +1

    i love this guy's sense of humor and accent.. y'all subscribe

  • @ErikMKeller
    @ErikMKeller 4 месяца назад

    I completely understand (been there, done that). You are right regarding the roto artists, they are the unsung heroes of every movie, TV series and documentary. I love this series of videos they are truly a masterclass regarding production.

  • @TheBonsaiZone
    @TheBonsaiZone 4 месяца назад

    Love the choice of black and white, it's looking very vintage!!

  • @bradhouston4734
    @bradhouston4734 3 месяца назад

    You guys are ADICTED in doing things the hard way! ….
    And we love it
    Imagine how boring a… ‘smooth’ sailing…..Slice of Life, video would be!! 😉

  • @josuebenvindo
    @josuebenvindo 3 месяца назад

    Man, your content is impressive!

  • @tbip2001
    @tbip2001 4 месяца назад

    I hope your mom and dad are proud of how talented you have become. Amazing work as always ❤

  • @fredoster9993
    @fredoster9993 3 месяца назад

    Incroyable travail ! Merci pour le partage de vos expériences, je pratique un peu After Effects, Photoshop et Blender. Je me décourage vite quand les tâches sont répétitives. Vous, vous êtes un exemple à suivre. Vous pouvez être fier de votre travail. Encore merci

  •  4 месяца назад

    Man I've been loving your work so much and really appreciate you sharing it on this amazing YT videos. I'm a compositor and filmmaker myself and they really inspire my own creations. Just a couple of tips, hope they're useful:
    I would highly suggest you to denoise all your VFX footage before starting compositing. This won't only help the integration with all the elements (because you will be regraining it all after the comp) but it will also help things like keying, tracking or rotobrush. You will be surprise of how much of a better work this 3 tools do with a perfectly denoised footage (I use neat video).
    Then, I would also highly suggest you to use ACES on After effects (available since the 2023 update). This will also help rotobrush, instead of trying to do a rotobrush in log which is pretty bad actually. Other than that, you will be able to more easily integrate different source materials into one shot such as your blackmagic raw footage, 3D from blender (which should be rendered as open exr and interpreted as ACES CG) or other digital pictures which are mostly in srgb. Just make sure to interpret all of them correctly and you are good to go. Also it improves the results on things like camera lens blur, blur, feather and etc.
    And finally, about the bathroom shot, I'd recommend you to use one of this two methods for cloning the walls: the first and easiest of them is just using Photoshop's AI generative fill. It will generate walls with the same perspectives (make sure to do it in aces cct or in log). And the other more traditional approach would be to project them onto a plane: Use the cc power pin to unstrech them, clone them, pre compose, and then use the same power pin but in regular mode (non unstrech) and they are back in their original position.
    Hope it helps!!!

    • @sliceoflifefilm
      @sliceoflifefilm  4 месяца назад +1

      Yo Luis! Thanks a lot for the tips!
      Denoising is a great idea, I'll try that! Ah yes, I gotta learn how to properly linearise everything, I know. I've been avoiding that for so long. Any suggestions on the videos that explain it in a good way?
      And yes I wanna try the Photoshop AI generative fill. It wasn't yet available back when we did this, but I see the potential from the videos I watched.
      Cheers and thanks!! 😉❤

    • @thingswelike
      @thingswelike 4 месяца назад

      @@sliceoflifefilmI just did a test of Generative Fill on your toilet scene and it worked really really well. Only the ceiling was a bit weird, but you didn't use that in the end anyway.

  • @Doohickeydongle
    @Doohickeydongle 4 месяца назад

    I very much enjoy your vids. Entertaining and informative.

    • @sliceoflifefilm
      @sliceoflifefilm  4 месяца назад

      Glad to hear it! Thanks a lot! ♥️🍻

  • @AllThingsFilm1
    @AllThingsFilm1 4 месяца назад

    Very cool breakdown. Always an inspiration to see how other VFX artists work.

  • @swek_c137
    @swek_c137 4 месяца назад

    Fcking hell I love this youtube channel...
    I discovered it a few days ago, I really watched everything, certain videos twice, I was impatiently waiting for the next one.
    I am honestly happy to see the work that you do, approached without filter, with sincerity and transparency from start to finish, that no details of what makes a film are put in the background.
    This is why I love cinema, your RUclips channel only strengthens my love for this art🤍

    • @sliceoflifefilm
      @sliceoflifefilm  4 месяца назад +1

      Wow, thanks! Glad you enjoy our work! ♥️🍻

  • @dirtreynolds7723
    @dirtreynolds7723 4 месяца назад

    Cant wait to watch this movie!

  • @SebastianCastro
    @SebastianCastro 3 месяца назад

    A candle for the rotoscope artists

  • @ChaosCanyon
    @ChaosCanyon 4 месяца назад

    That is so much rotoscoping but the final results looked great

  • @valeriofastidio
    @valeriofastidio 4 месяца назад

    As always, another amazing video! So much creativity. Thank you so much!
    Do you have any specific course for learning to use Blender for these types of uses? How did you learn?
    Thanks again for all these awesome behind the scenes!

    • @sliceoflifefilm
      @sliceoflifefilm  4 месяца назад

      Thanks a lot! I used 3dS Max before so I was familiar with the concept and I only had to learn the new UI. But I learned by watching the BlenderGuru's donut tutorials and Ian Hubert's patreon videos.

  • @paulyeomans1065
    @paulyeomans1065 3 месяца назад

    Thanks for a really well presented entertaining video that's just the right length. Would add an extra like if I could just for the Manfred Mann's Earth Band tee shirt!

  • @pjhunton
    @pjhunton 4 месяца назад

    Fantastic work, the whole film has a great aesthetic, you can really see the skills you guys have put into practice to create the film.

    • @sliceoflifefilm
      @sliceoflifefilm  4 месяца назад

      We appreciate you saying that. 💪💪🍻

  • @brettsalter3300
    @brettsalter3300 4 месяца назад

    Awe-inspiring (as usual) mate. Whilst 'Slice of Life' seems full of elaborate effects, creating these 'real life' scenarios I believe must be so much harder, as people are so familiar with the everyday. When I think of the level of knowledge you already had before this project, and the amount you must have gained during its creation....what is next? A major motion picture?

    • @sliceoflifefilm
      @sliceoflifefilm  3 месяца назад +1

      Exactly. No one knows how a scifi building should look. This has to be more correct. Good point. Ah! Yes the feature film is on the to do list. Hopefully one day! 🤞🤞

  • @MrTaco-ei5hl
    @MrTaco-ei5hl 4 месяца назад

    Always fun to see the movie magic that happens in post-production.
    "You need a wizard's hat or some type of smartness."
    Good thing you have both.
    Great video!

  • @IgorDoval
    @IgorDoval 3 месяца назад

    nice job, mate!

  • @mckenziecreative
    @mckenziecreative 4 месяца назад

    Great stuff as always. I'm excited to see the final film. I've done my share of rotoscoping as well. Once I had to roto a cold sore from someone's upper lip. It was a nightmare because he was talking for several minutes. Brutal...

    • @sliceoflifefilm
      @sliceoflifefilm  4 месяца назад

      Yikes! Sounds bad. I feel for you!

    • @mckenziecreative
      @mckenziecreative 4 месяца назад

      @@sliceoflifefilm Thank you! I love your work. It's extremely inspiring. I would love to join you on future projects.

  • @sujaybhosale3350
    @sujaybhosale3350 3 месяца назад

    Amazing!

  • @drangal
    @drangal 3 месяца назад

    Inspiring video, as usual!
    But also... nice t-shirt!

  • @ProfKlaus
    @ProfKlaus 3 месяца назад

    Wonderful video!

  • @BartekFB
    @BartekFB 4 месяца назад

    dude amazing job

  • @jean-pierrejoubert2438
    @jean-pierrejoubert2438 4 месяца назад

    invisible effects are my favourite. you guys are so good.

  • @Fottow
    @Fottow 4 месяца назад

    All your stuff is super interesting and informative. Looking forward to seeing Splashback in its finished form.

  • @1001Hobbies
    @1001Hobbies 4 месяца назад

    VERY GOOD rotoscoping. That is a credit I NEVER wanted......but unfortunately....I have. I HATE IT. So tedious and mind numbing. This is a fantastic video. I subscribed a couple weeks ago. Sometime I'm going to go through all your videos. I just have so much going on.

  • @GaelReze
    @GaelReze 3 месяца назад

    Nice work, as always ! 💪
    To help Mocha and/or Rotobrush better understand the shots, most of the time I'm applying a crappy color grading with accentuated contrast and saturation (sometimes I even shift some colors to help separate the background from the foreground). Then I do my rotoscoping, extract the final matte, and re-import it in my original comp on top of the log file.
    And when rotoscoping, I find more convenient (in term of path and iteration time) to break complex shapes into smaller objects. Like hair / head / ears, or arm / forearm / hand / fingers.
    You probably already know that, but this might be useful for other people around here ! 😊
    PS : The candle will be lit🕯

  • @SteveGillham
    @SteveGillham 4 месяца назад

    Love it 👍

  • @HappyDude1
    @HappyDude1 4 месяца назад +2

    Its like forust gump its full of vfx and cgi but you never notice it, i was blown away. If you did a good job nobody will talk about, but if you did a bad job people will constantly talk about it 😂

  • @davidgeister
    @davidgeister 4 месяца назад

    Bravo!!!!!!

  • @videoeditorbloke
    @videoeditorbloke 4 месяца назад

    Really interesting video. What I’ve found is that for a lot of the kind of rotoscoping you had to do (especially the TV set scene), that MochaAE is really good for doing the manual rotoscoping, because it generally sticks to each shape to the bit you’re rotoing, so its much easier to get a good mask with just a bit of tweaking. Just done a load of it myself for a TV show with lots of invisible VFX!

    • @sliceoflifefilm
      @sliceoflifefilm  4 месяца назад

      Ah yes! I used mocha a while ago. Gotta give it a try again! Tnx! ❤

  • @AmirMak
    @AmirMak 3 месяца назад

    It's totally a work of patience and for those with passion...❤

  • @scottb721
    @scottb721 4 месяца назад

    Thank you for your videos. I just made my first 2 photo books this month from pics I took at music bands.

  • @ErikvanSchaaik
    @ErikvanSchaaik 3 месяца назад

    Great video. AND a pink guitar.

  • @TheMovieRabbitHole
    @TheMovieRabbitHole 4 месяца назад

    What a great channel, subscribed

  • @mathewstudio
    @mathewstudio 3 месяца назад

    I deal a lot with such trifles, it's no use but I can't help myself, I don't make extensive visual effects for my films but exactly invisible ones. I feel for you when you talked about rotoscoping :D

  • @garykuovideos
    @garykuovideos 3 месяца назад

    I compose underscore for TV and while I take enormous pride and joy in what I do, it’s unfortunate that most of the audience has no idea my work is even there. Kudos to all you VFX artists out there, and best wishes on your projects! Liked and subscribed!

  • @crissyhowes
    @crissyhowes 4 месяца назад

    You guys are amazing

  • @HughDoDrawing
    @HughDoDrawing 4 месяца назад

    Phenomenal VFX work, really impressive

  • @henryd98
    @henryd98 3 месяца назад

    God damn it, it all looks amazing

  • @manofocean
    @manofocean 4 месяца назад

    Lolita! The underrated weird ass Kubrick...
    cool video too sorry this was a kneejerk comment -- I've loved all the clips from your new movie and you emulate the classic look so well and use miniatures so well (this is the most eye-pleasing black and white I've seen in ages) and I can't wait to watch it when it releases

  • @MarkBTomlinson
    @MarkBTomlinson 4 месяца назад

    🕯 for the rotoscopers. Fun video thanks!

  • @teof99
    @teof99 4 месяца назад

    Lots of love for the Earth Band shirt!

    • @sliceoflifefilm
      @sliceoflifefilm  4 месяца назад +1

      Yeaaaaa! Glad someone appreciates it! 😂🍻

  • @dylanodom_
    @dylanodom_ 4 месяца назад

    for extending the toilet scene, there’s a vanishing point tool in Photoshop that lets you clone stamp in perspective that might have saved you some time!

  • @thomasmanning9111
    @thomasmanning9111 4 месяца назад

    I love this channel so so much

  • @AllanGildea
    @AllanGildea 4 месяца назад

    Excellent! Was the pink acoustic guitar added in post? Love your stuff!

  • @dougrobinson5706
    @dougrobinson5706 4 месяца назад

    Uh yeah, no one would have ever known if you hadn't told us. I'm impressed. Rotoscoping is the worst! Great video, as usual. Oh, the curtain work, is your technique basically like inpainting?

    • @sliceoflifefilm
      @sliceoflifefilm  4 месяца назад +1

      Hm, interesting. I wasn't familiar with the term inpainting, but it seems that's what it is, yes.

  • @CajunCraftastrophe
    @CajunCraftastrophe 4 месяца назад

    Oh, man! I love it. You are beautifully crazy. I approve. : )

  • @a2z-images
    @a2z-images 4 месяца назад

    A masterclass, as always. Regarding the roto-stuff, I find DaVinci's automatic masking to be quite effective, although it also necessitates some manual work to achieve a flawless result.
    🕯️🕯️🕯️

  • @beaudanner
    @beaudanner 4 месяца назад

    I just discovered this channel. Bro, your channel is going. to. blow. up. Your filmmaking is top notch 👏👍

    • @sliceoflifefilm
      @sliceoflifefilm  4 месяца назад +1

      Thank you! ❤❤

    • @beaudanner
      @beaudanner 3 месяца назад

      @@sliceoflifefilm astounding visual work. Do you ever shoot in the States? I'm telling my agent that I want to read for whatever you're working on next

  • @Multi_ToBi
    @Multi_ToBi 3 месяца назад

    I'll light more candles than there are on my birthday cake (I'm 63...)! You sneaky wizards - I love it...!!!