We are mirroring this video so those who may have missed it may still view the original video, as it has since been removed from Greg's channel. (Please note: the views expressed by either party do not necessarily reflect the views of Parable of the Vineyard, this is for research/study purposes only) For more on Biblical Cosmology see this playlist: ruclips.net/video/AeIGrEtPMmE/видео.html
Thanks for the upload. A group of Christian Flat Earthers have made a website for the express purposes of disseminating the truth of Biblical Cosmology to the globe believing Christians. That site is Biblicalcosmology (dot) faith. I thought you may be interested.
The problem is when people manipulate the Bible Text to support their hypothesis. This has been the case for thousands of years and continues. The fact is that the Bible does NOT say anything about a "flat earth," and despite the fact that there are Texts that state the earth (not the entire globe) is "immoveable" most of these are either allegorical or poetic and there are equally as many text that show Yahweh will "shake" the earth. Folks need to stop regurgitating the same fallacious "proofs" and do some reading and re-examine the Hebrew words "raqia" and "chug" just to many a few. Maybe step outside and actually watch the rotation of the constellations (they move clockwise down here ;) and the other simple observations that simply can't work on a flat plane.
@@defenderoftruth6000And yet likewise, there are tons of observational evidences that disprove the globular or heliocentric model that we can step outside and see… I agree with you that there are observable things that make me think, “Hmm, how does this work on a flat plane?”… it’s super interesting, I’m now leaning toward the geocentric ideas myself. Bless you
The minute tempers began to flare and the bickering began this debate completely lost it value. Both these men are guilty of the harm they caused to Yeshua's message of peace, meekness, compassion, humbleness, long suffering and most of all love. Pastor Dean Odle allowed himself to be baited into disgusting display of pride. Blessings brothers and sisters,
@@rocco9611 Dean got set up. The police were on standby and greg had bodygaurds all around. He kept antagonizing Dean to get him to lose his cool. I heard gregs son is a flat Earther and he tried to make them look stupid and mean. It backfired on him in my opinion.
@@tonyornelas9374 I understand your desire to stand up for Dean Odle but for me it doesn't matter, both men claim to be representatives of the most High and yet they both failed miserably in achieving that claim. Think about how that display appeared to those who were on the fence about their belief in Yeshua, (Jesus)? We are called to be sowers of the seeds of Christ, a light to lead others on the path of righteousness. The only thing these men did is cast a stumbling block on that path. Both should be ashamed of themselves.
The flat earth literally opened my eyes to Gods existence. He showed me his creations in way's I can't deny his intelligent design. The pure symmetries of everything. How molecules & even scaling up to whole designs like a human. Pure symmetry through & through. Perfect shapes & even mathematics to reference the side's of all things. Example like how everything just about has 2 eyes. 2 hands. 2 Feet. & Even beyond that the star constellations the way they're set like a clock in the skies never changing even from ancient cultures till modern day. Psalms 19.1 the heavens declare the glory of God & the firmament showeth his handiwork. Frequencies creating the same geometries as molecule collections with breathtaking Precision. As though God Spoke everything into existence with Frequencies. The subject on Symmetries of creation can no doubt be proof of a creator. God almighty does indeed exist. & The way all laws of physics & frequency & vibration & electromagnetism work in unison like a machine suggests the world is a complex computer a mechanism made up of different elements come together to create a machine set with specific Boundaries & rules to it's design. As though this could really be a simulation. But not in the sense that everyone & everything is a digital rendering. It's far more complex then that. Every electron & atom & molecule work's perfectly in unison together almost as though they're Sentient & intelligent & come together to create silicon based life forms & beyond. I'm not saying we live in the matrix but I'm not saying we're not in it either. God's designs can't be summed up in a context made by men. Not myself nor any scholar. Job 38:4-11 King James Version (KJV) - Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if thou hast understanding. I feel absolutely Humbled by his handiwork. God's unfathomably awesome. Can't people see the forest for the trees anymore. Are so many so lost they can't see when God created this world it was Good. It was corrupted by the fallen & their children whom are still in charge of the world today. As in the day's of Noah So shall it be again. The world can't be fixed by apathetic behavior. Every individual must account for his or her own situation in life. For any scenario imaginable. A solution must be drawn. Where would human advancement be without investigation & discovery through hard diligent passion for their trade. God's grace & mercy are boundless. For the wickedness this world has seen & continues to see while seeking knowledge can't be measured. All lifeforms are energy. Energy can't be destroyed it can only transform. Is not the spirit the same. It being like an energy changes from clinging to it's flesh to ascension or descension. These words are the conclusion to over a decade of consistent research into well pretty much everything. Namely the truth & what aligns itself with biblical scriptures. This subject can not be articulated precisely. God's creation is beyond any mortal mind's comprehension.
@@whitejosh444 that's a lie. He literally quoted God's word. And did the hard work, digging deep (word origins, greek and hebrew) to prove the meanings of the words he quotes. God's word won't come back void.
Greg is a gambler, putting up $30,000 for anyone than can prove flat earth. He made fun of people with mental issues in psych hospitals during the debate. Not once did he ask for prayers for these people nor did he pray himself for these people. Go back and watch the debate. He divorced his wife and married another which by his bible, the King James version you are not supposed to do. (Luke 16:18 - Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.) and (1 Corinthians 7:10-11 - And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.) In my opinion, Greg is not in the pulpit to saves souls or to lead people to God.
Greg was telling his members for weeks that he planned "to humiliate him with the Bible". Anyone pre-discussion who says they "plan to humiliate" is going in with the wrong attitude.
@@thecraftykid1998 I would guess Dean destroyed ALL the verses Greg was going to use, so he had to revert to waffling, preaching and tearing down a list Dean hadn't even referred to. To then use Hebrews 11:3 just showed how he'd brought a kitchen towel to a gun fight. The Greek word aion is NOT "worlds", Dean was bang on, as he was the entire "debate/acle". It was infuriating to watch, but I at least hope some of his church now see some truth in our giant beautiful flat and enclosed terrarium and leave Greg to work it out eventually!
The Roman key design on Locke's shirt was not accidental. He answers to another authority and it's not Christ. When he threw his temper tantrum at the end it spoke volumes of his character. Know them by their fruit.
I noticed Dean idle putting a finger to his temple early on, but wondered if it might really be out actual bemusement and not necessarily on purpose. Any thoughts? 🤔
I was thinking it might have been a Versace shirt based on the pattern they often use in their designs. If so, it's very expensive. Just another example of the mega church, multi millionaire pastor mentality. Not that you can have nice things but I think it's very telling when a supposed man of God who is called to ministry chooses to present themselves. It just comes off as caring about worldly treasures and how money can cause corruption.
I cut my teeth in ministry preaching the Gospel on the streets. Pastored for 20+ yrs and ministered all over the world. I was excited to listen to the Greg Locke and Dean Odle "debate". Man, I was so disappointed! Mr. Locke was so combative and unfortunately drew Mr. Odle into that same manner as well at times. The man of God should not be quarrelsome, but kind, able to teach... This was such a bad look to unbelievers. Too much bickering! Mr. Odle seemed awfully provoked by Mr. Locke. On substance, Mr. Odle wiped the floor with Mr. Locke.
Yes Odle should have stayed calm a couple times. Greg cornered him with not having a map. Dean should have said Gleason’s map and we need to make another.
I love Pastor Locke and I like Odle too but they both acted so prideful and arrogant and to be friends neither really wanted to listen to the other. They need some Holy Spirit conviction over this
Yah, vengeance is mine? Doesn't sound timid to me! Yeahsuha went and fastened a whip and chase the money changers and such out of the temple. Premeditated! Wise up...
In my viewing Greg is still giving his speech at the beginning and I'm reading your comment and it's disappointing to see. It's sad that I can't change the outcome..
Some people have tried to suggest that a normal compass gets confused in the southern hemisphere. North on a compass always points north and doesn't get confused because you are closer to the "south" pole correct?
Shalom. My first thoughts are the pastor of the church is being kind of rude and arrogant.regardless of his views he should have treated the brother with more respect and an open mind.
There's a great awaking happening right now!! The Spirit of God is being poured out on the earth ! And it gives me goosebumps!!! Praise God The Most High God the ONLY Wise God 🙌 🙏
Greg didn't produce a single verse supporting the globe model 🤦🏻♂️ he didn't even debate, he just preached and got angry... Not how a pastor should behave 😢 he came totally unprepared and got demolished! Either you believe that God knows what he created, or you believe He's a liar... But the Bible IS a flat earth book cover to cover and that is a well known fact! Let God be true and every man a liar 📖
@@melindajohnson5010 by saying that you are calling God a liar 🤦🏻♂️ I pray that you one day see the truth about God's beautiful creation and stop believing the Devil's lies
The whole event was put on by the enemy. These guys are both puppets. Just like Rob Skiba was. Freemasons. As Lenin said "The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves."
Genesis 15:12 KJV And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him. If the sun‘s going down, where is it going? When it’s daylight here it’s dark in China. If the earth was flat, why can’t we see the sun?
Exactly...he preached based on unrelated spiritual things...appealed to emotion, falsely accused and name called, and even used some young kids post to pretend all True Creationist agreed with said post of scriptures. Kind of like using the FE Society and other Memes that none of us have ever agreed with nor supported. I always end up so disappointed with the globe sides "debate" as they never provide even one single proof or scripture. Oh how I wish the globe were true and we had not been deceived all these years, but once we just face it, we get over it and move onto more and more freedom.
I saw this last night... I can't watch this again... I got physically ill last night after hearing that Greg Locke guy speak... He didn't exhibit the fruits of the Spirit... He displayed pride, hate, malice, insults, falsehoods, and complete incoherent babble throughout the entire event up to the point he was called out and had no leg to stand on... He never even addressed anything Dean had presented... We need to pray for this guy and those that sit under him... He is truly the "blind leading the blind" and we know from scripture this will lead to all of them falling in the ditch...
@@lornabrooks2777 The scriptures do support flat earth... I'm not talking about Dean, I'm talking about Greg Locke... Greg is the one denying flat earth and scripture with no basis... Maybe you need to watch the video before you make a comment...
@@thomasdexter9646 I wasn't disagreeing. I simply said I believed the bible speaks of a flat Earth. It would perhaps be nice if you spoke kindly to others. Shalom.
@lornabrooks2777 Are you telling me that speaking the truth is not being nice??? Also, considering what my comment was and what your reply was shows you assumed wrong and took to action on your misconception... This is a lack of accountability on your part and an act of doubling down instead of holding yourself accountable...
I sat on a dock almost a year ago and prayed that God would reveal to me the truth about this subject. He has. The earth is flat. God will continue to expose satan's deception. When he started breaking down the seal, I started thinking about how God's finger print is everywhere (Trees, leaves, people). What a mighty God we serve!
@@Ferdinand_FE Why the sad face? The evidence is overwhelming that it is the globe model that is the vast deception. You can't have aliens if you don't have outer space and billions of galaxies. The truth will make you free.
I'll add this as well. Pastor Greg Locke made being a christian the wrong way. Odle was more loving and understanding than Locke. Lock is a false teacher in my book, period.
Thank you for sharing this! I was looking for it on rumble. Makes me sad listening to pastor Locke, you can tell he is convicted and gets very upset. Knowledge MUST be paired with humility and love!
@@AndrewFosterSheff69 Straight up intellectual homicide. Greg was willfully ignorant. It took me way less than a month to perform a cursory search of flat earth and hear their claims.
Wow… I can’t believe what Im hearing. I am shocked and dismayed at the lies of our government! Pastor Dean came prepared and has provided compelling evidence to refute the rotating globe-in my opinion. I will be praying for clarity and confirmation and see where the spirit of the Lord leads me. Blessing to all on this thread and may the spirit of truth unveil that which is required for the fulfillment and purpose of our destinies. 🙏🏻
Were you there brother? I watched live yesterday. It was pretty.....cringe worthy at times. Dean did a great job of presenting biblical cosmology however and I was really pleased with how much scripture he used, the fact that he Incorporated testimonies of x atheists who came to Christ through flat Earth alone. He held his composure very well considering how his opponent was behaving. Greg, quite frankly acted like a madman and did not represent Messiah in an appropriate manner, especially that ending...yikes. Nevertheless I'm praying that many who hear this we'll have eyes to see, ears to hear and a heart to understand and accept the truth.
In the first 30 seconds Greg said, "My friend"...but finished with turning off the mic and kicking him out. It was very disappointing to see vitriol in that way.
Greg Locke is a number one class A narcissist. About a month ago he was doing a support Israel event at his church and was literally calling for mass genocide of all Palestinians in order to "usher in the Second Coming of Christ". He is an evil man to want people to die like that! I have my doubts the man is even a Christian!
@@tmmyholm9 There is no way that man has the Spirit of God in him. Unrelated but he did a video about a month and a half ago about Israel and he literally was calling for a mass genocide of all Palestinians in order to "usher in the second coming of Christ". I was floored! I believe Christ will come back a the appointed hour but this man wants people murdered to make that happen! He is EVIL.
God was working in that church that night. He both released the truth of His creation, but He also exposed that church. Pray for Greg and "his" (God's ACTUALLY) church.
True fruit shown in this video, not a fan of deans anti torah approach to the scriptures but i definitely respect him more for the way he carried himself and i think his presentation was pretty good. I think some seeds may of been planted last night praise 𐤉𐤄𐤅𐤄
@@BiblicalFlatEarthJoshua under the law means you have turned away from the father and the curse is you have no atonement because your not keeping law. Atonement is for the repentant not the lawless. But thank you for your interpretation.
Pastor Locke starts by saying that Pastor Odle is his friend and that there were non Christians there and that they should all be friendly and that they can disagree and it's okay. Well it didn't turn out that way because Pastor Locke blew it. These are four hours you will never get back. Disappointing.
First off, I was able to watch some of the debate live and was hugely embarassed by the behavior of Greg Locke from the onset. Regarding Dean's presentation of supporting evidence, of particular interest to me because they were new to me, was the "football field video" and the "clouds behind the sun". Please consider reviewing some of his "facts" on your own, as I did. Sometimes we want to just believe things as facts because they support our beliefs. I'm not saying all his supporting evidence was flawed, but if some of his simpler "facts" fall short, it's makes one reconsider the legitimacy of any of his "facts". I encourage you to keep in mind throughout all of this that not all the phenomena of the world can be explained or understood in simple terms. Our God, is far more intelligent than all of mankind. In fact, I sometimes refer to him as the best engineer. If we think we can explain all of his creation in simple terms and observations, I feel that it dimishes his authority and power. Blessings on your journey.
@@bryanl1977what more proof do you need then water?? Water was created by God, water lays flat when at rest. God created the earth and filled over 70 percent of it with water at its level(sea LEVEL). Commonsense.
I could clearly see Greg was agitated from the beginning and discerned his spirit was not at ease. His words were not matching his restlessness. Maybe he saw just how prepared Dean came with his power point presentation and it put him on edge 🤔
Odle provided a lot of scripture instead of “it was proven 2500 years ago and that is the way it is!” If our government would test nuclear weapons on our own people, pretty sure, for whatever reason, they could change facts to align with an agenda.
Greg Locke is a perfect example of why there is a falling away. He is not a humble enough man to fully receive the word of YHWH. It is "Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man." "Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch." Greg defiles the hearts of men with his mouth as he blasphemes against the word of YHWH.
I have always had discernment against Greg Locke. Have not watched the video, yet, but his stance on Palestine were evil. No one who claims to be a follower of Yeshua could speak with such evil intent towards another people group. He is a false prophet leading masses away from the Truth.
@@patriotmom560As Christian's, grace & forgiveness to the repentant. At some point when grace wears thin, you distance yourself from them, perhaps permanently.
You know I've been thinking of the "feet of iron and clay" a lot recently. NO-ONE can mix anymore, EVERYONE is polarised, if you're not with me you are against me - even in the churches. Oh come large rock out of the mountain... take this statue DOWN DOWN DOWN!!!! \o/
The earth is a globe... Just because you guys wanna deny science doesn't make you right. NOTHING would work the way it does if the earth was flat. If the earth was flat, everything would be the same everywhere... It wouldn't be light in the east while it's dark in the west and vice versa... Seasons wouldn't work the way they do, on and on and on.
As a believer in Jeshua, after watching this presentation with much interest to its completion to try to learn more about flat earth pro and con from a Biblical perspective, there is NO way I will EVER darken the door of Pastor Locke's church because of how Pastor Locke treated Pastor Ogle. Pastor Locke said at the beginning of this video that Pastor Ogle was his friend in the Lord, and had even preached in the pulpit for him. He also said at the start he wanted everyone to be friends, be Christians, "don't want to have to calm anybody down", "we want to leave being friends", and not attack individuals. What happened was blatantly the opposite, an utter and blatant lack of respect, bitterness, and open hatred that exuded from Pastor Locke toward his guest opponent (supposedly his friend) that left me, a high school teacher experienced in debate, totally speechless, sick in the gut, and in shock. Regardless of position, the behavior, attack and treatment of his opponent by Pastor Locke in this debate was completely unacceptable, along with the miniscule scriptural foundation or research presented by Pastor Locke, just a lot of rude and unprofessional mud slinging. Pastor Locke tonight truly was a "jerk for Jesus" (his words, not mine), and if I had not already been a believer and had been present in person at this event, his belittling behavior would have totally turned me off to learning anything more about the scriptures or Christ.
But more importantly do you now see how scripture does in fact speak both literally AND metaphorically of a flat and enclosed terrarium surrounded by water? ;-) Cos it is. The circle of the earth with the heavens hung like a tent kinda spells it out tbh.
@@AndrewFosterSheff69 I am a flat earther as well but I don’t think the shape of the earth is more important than the point this man made. We have a responsibility to show Christ to the lost and dying world above all else. Even above cosmology. Every fruit of the Holy Spirit was missing near the end and the characteristics of love weren’t seen. To an unbelieving person these Christian’s have nothing to offer because they look just like every other lost soul…
Dean used the Bible, Locke used mans theory. FE is the True Earth construct and God is watching Locke destroy his word, his house, his glory. God sees you Locke
He may have deleted it but it will forever be in cyberspace somewhere! He needs to watch it especially the last five minutes and judge himself because he let the flesh take over and looked like he was possessed of something, but I know true Christians cannot be demon possessed. I have followed Greg for years and really enjoyed his deep dives into scripture but the end of that debate changed how I will forever see him. I’m not going to judge him or call him names because Christian’s don’t do that but he should apologize to Pastor Dean and ask forgiveness. God is not the author of confusion, and where the spirit of the Lord is there is liberty, there was no liberty at that debate. I see this bringing nothing but negativity and doubting Thomases for Greg Locke now. I pray he can be humble and repent and ask forgiveness it has to happen according to scripture he was not doing the will of God in the end of that debate. I will pray for him in Jesus name.
I disagree. I felt Greg started out incredibly gracious and was just wanting answers to his questions. Dean started to be defensive by refusing to answer the question about a flat earth map. He started off by threatening to leave if he keep being interrupted yet he refused to answer the question. He discounted what appeared to me a sincere desire to understand. It’s incredible how two people can watch the same debate and lay blame on two different sides. I have no dog in this race. I came because I heard another podcast where the person ripped Greg apart as to him being the aggressor and his ‘un-Christian like’ behavior so if anything I came expecting to find that, yet I found the opposite. Yes, it ended badly but I can see why. Dean did not take responsibility for any of his behavior and always had an ‘excuse’ of blame to Greg when he couldn’t answer his questions. I don’t condone brothers in the Lord being contentious but I can understand why this happened. I guess in the end, whether the earth is flat or round, whether it’s young earth, old earth, pre-trib, mid-trib, pre-wrath,post trib, the devil has won. He’s divided the Church. The Church can only operate in its fullness with power and authority when we are in unity. I guess the real winner here is him. And the heart of God is broken.
Don't think Gods heart is broken... Greg locke is full of false doctrine...he is abusive to his flock... think God is more concerned about those things than this debate. You know the church goes into apostasy before the antichrist arrives... and we are almost there now. Only a remnant left.
1 Peter 3:15-17 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear; having a good conscience, that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Christ may be ashamed
But on even my hope I will not debate. I refer to scripture, my sole defense, and leave it there. Those that have an ear, let them hear. @@Tonyvillanueva94
I don't think it's about you performing the same actions as him, but rather that you live in the spirit, as he did. It's not about the debate itself, the question is: is it out of pride or to show others the truth? That´s what´s important.
1 John 2:6 @@nahuelpatania3522 You better know its about action. And the spirit you live in, it shall be seen in the walk. You can not separate the two. That is how we test the fruit. What is spiritually believed on the inside absolutely produces itself as physical, you can see it. He that has an ear let him hear.... bottom line the truth isn't for everyone walking around today. It's for those who seek it. Yahushua understood that, no debate required to clear things up.
It was rob skiba & God in a nut shell videos regarding Gen 6 and biblical cosmology that brought me back. Then found parable of the vineyard shortly after... haven't looked back since. Amen
@@mimiwarren3882Skiba? Wasn't he the individual who killed himself and endangered others with his bullshit about the Covid vaccine? You are hanging on to the words of such a person? Unbelievable.
@@snorkelfish I don’t know about steel, but he definitely invited them to a service he was having outside of that building. If I saw a congregation that was being led by a man like that, I would try to get them out too.
@@ryanodea-wilkinson3950I mean to be honest they’re both idiots. I would try to get their people to stop going too. I’m just saying that if I was Greg Locke that would make me mad. 😂
I’ve never been a flat earther, but Dean’s presentation was pretty thorough and brought up some good points. I am a Christian though, and I’d agree with most here that Greg’s behavior was shocking and disappointing. I’ve never seen or heard him before, and I don’t think I’d care to in the future.
Maybe there's hope for you. You're not a flat eather YET!!! Genesis chapter 1 says the lights in the sky were created for the earth. The earth was not created to fly through both space and time at astronmical speeds and around the sun. It was created to be inhabited by God's children. He created it on a firm foundation like a Good Father would. As a child of God, it is so important to see His truth. The truth is that He created our temporary home (earth), a safe immovable, very close to Him place. He sits right above us and not light years away.
@@73reneer He lives within you! The Kingdom is within you! You are redeemed to be ONE With Him. (John 17:20-21). How close is ONEness? "You are God/gods. Sons of the Most High." Psalms 82:6 But takes obedience to His Truth. When we understand a Truth, we are always asked, "Will you pick up this Truth/Cross?"
Truth needed to be told. Because when the stars fall(fallen angels/aliens technology) show up millions will be deceived. But the truth will keep you from men’s hearts failing them from terror. Stand Firm to the END Beloved Saints! Famine/War/Pestilence is coming quickly. Will Yahusha find faith? When he comes. Yah ❤’s you!!!
I guess Mr Locke needs to find the Key !!! I think he was totally unprepared for this debate. Maybe his eyes were opened and he was not able to handle the truth !!!
I love how God made the firmament on day 2 any put the sun moon and stars in it on day 4. I'm so glad he made the Earth fixed and immovable. I think it's pretty cool how he stopped the sun and moon for Joshua for a day.
There’s another spot in the Bible where he stopped the sun and dialed it back. That’s what makes me understand how god speeds up the days and slows them down that explains the time frames in the Bible better too.
At 24 minutes, Pastor Dean drops the hammer, and any sensible person would acknowledge the fact that if we’re spinning spiraling through space, we would not see the same constellations, this goes right over little Greg locks head like a Girl Scout.
The stars are not fixed, but are constantly moving. If you factor out the daily arcing motion of the stars across the sky due to the earth's rotation, you end up with a pattern of stars that seems to never change. The stars seem so fixed that ancient sky-gazers mentally connected the stars into figures (constellations) that we can still make out today. But in reality, the stars are constantly moving. They are just so far away that the naked eye cannot detect their movement. I've never scene flat earthers explain the recent solar eclipse which was accurately predicted by astronomers centuries ago.
May i remind you it was the flat earth guy who FIRST said he was leaving and then invited people from Greg's church to a meeting he was going to have the next day...THAT is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Wow.. that dude is a nut case. I didn’t think it was gonna end like that 😮. Thats one of the reasons I dont like going to church. You think that guy only gets that needlessly aggressive about flat earth? You think hes the only church leader like that? No way. He's like that whenever he feels challenged. Over what isnt a salvation issue.. there is zero reason to be so dogmatic and amped up. That was gross.
This is me and my husband right now! I can’t get him to even consider the possibility that we’ve been duped. His pride says he has questioned the globe model enough that there’s no way it can be flat. Yet he refuses to do a simple Google search on the calculation of the curve of the Earth and what is/should be visible on the horizon. He BLOWS UP every time it comes up and we can never settle the matter. I’m still investigating for myself but his reaction and now Greg’s is showing me the fruit of these beliefs. I wonder which spirit is behind this, feels like a complex creature more than just pride.
@busybeemiss- please know you are not alone. I have a niece in this situation. Keep loving and showing your faith by your gentleness…praying he will come around! 🙏🏼
People keep saying this wasn't even a real debate . This was a real debate and this is what happens when you argue against a truth that god revealing to the whole world!!!
With prayer for Holy Spirit I came back to the truth knowing the bible tells us the earth is flat and he is right above us watching over us. He cares. I was made to believe we were nothing in a great universe. Love to all my brothers and sister seeking truth.
Locke was completely outclassed here. He didn't use scripture to prove the flying water ball theory. He just argued with flat earth people who were NOT in attendance. One of the dumbest debate performances I've ever seen.
I love how people constantly say that a water ball is impossible because water always finds it level and it never balls up. But yet if you look at a slow motion video of rain where it’s falling through the air and gravity isn’t smashing it to something EVERY DROP IS A LITTLE SPHERE! 😂😂. Look at slow motion videos of when water splashes up in the air. When it reaches its peak right before gravity pulls it back down it will form a sphere so as perfect as any compass can draw a circle. But I’m sure nasa intercepts all these videos and edits them
@@jared5862 you think a rain drop is a good analogy for a supposed round rock with water attached to it flying through space at well over 500,000 mph???
@@benjohnson4907 yes. It’s a great representation of what water in its natural state does when not acted upon by other forces. It forms a sphere. You are correct.
@@jared5862 water inside the earth firmament lays flat and level and is provable literally every where you look except your slo-mo example. Explain logically how the nature of water molecules interacting together changes by spreading out over a larger area .... You're theory claims that it's flat level nature magically decides to start curving once it's spread out enough.... Apparently, water has a mind of it's own??? 😂
@@benjohnson4907 sure I can explain it. You see there’s a thing called gravity that pull the water down towards the earth. So being that water it fluid gravity will pull the water molecules that’s up higher on the spherical water drop down to the lowest level possible which eventually levels all the water molecules on an even plane perpendicular the the center of the gravity that’s pulling at them. Which forms a really giant sphere that looks almost flat when you look at a micron of it. I mean it looks pretty obvious really. Just open your eyes. Oh and btw the point of what the water molecules do on a flat surface is not in question. But as you can clearly see hundreds if not thousands of videos show is that water when not acted upon by outside forces forms a sphere. So why wouldn’t a planet, I mean an object since apparently planets aren’t a thing, but why would an object made up of roughly 71% water not form a sphere when setting in space not being acted upon by any forces? Or are you one of the ones that believe God used his earth stamp to make the earth? In that case explain why the water stays in the flat earth bowl since a flat earth wouldn’t create enough mass to have sufficient gravity to hold the water to it. Does God use a Jedi like force to hold the water and people down 24/7/365? That seems like a lot of maintenance. Why would he not create a world that has its own force like gravity to keep everything on it? Which brings up another question. The accepted flat earth theory on seasons is that the sun moves in a small circle for summer in the northern “half” (since you don’t believe in hemispheres) and then it moves out to a larger circle to make summer in the south and winter in the north. Correct? My question is simple. Geometry will show you that the larger circular path of a southern summer will have a larger circumference which means the sun is traveling a MUCH farther distance which means to maintain a 24 hour day the sun has to drastically increase speed. But then when it goes back to the smaller circle (northern summer) it has to slow WAY down otherwise we’d have like a 10 hour day. If you’ve ever thrown a coin in a coin well at a mall and watched it go around it clearly speeds up as the circumference tightens down. Or if you’ve put an object in a string and spun it in the air and then stuck you finger up and let the string wrap around your finger. The speed will increase very quickly until the object slaps you on the hand. I think every kid has done this one. So How does this work with the sun? Is God controlling the sun and moon along with gravity 24/7/365 to keep the speed and distance in sync so we maintain a 24 hour day? And if so if he is all knowing and all powerful why can’t he make a better system that is self maintaining like a sphere on an axis? Eagerly awaiting some answers here.
Lol. Agree. One verse not presented is "the earth is His footstool ". Can't look up the scripture to reference right now but imagine having a spinning ball not even with legs as a footstool. 😂😂😂😂
So what is the lesson for our FE community? Feeling Pastor Greg needs to humble himself and take out his strong cognitive dissonance and ask God what is the real biblical cosmology. No one will learn FE WITHOUT HUMBLING THEMSELVES FROM SCIENTISM AND PAGAN COSOMOLOGY (HELIO CENTRISM, SUN WORSHIP...) Hoping Pastor still got his Antarctica ticket ! God bless
Test every spirit! I can't believe people still listen to this pastor in his church, He no self control no humbleness and kindness and full off of pride. But one thing for sure he has >> Self righteousness!
I weep and pray for all of those involved. In our beloved YAHUSHA'S name May the ruach of YAH move upon them mightily with all the truths that were shared. Convicting them of their unrighteous behavior, thus moving them from milk to meat like He has done for all who seek Truth. HalleluYAH!!
I’m not a religious man, and I watched this neutral. Only thing I got from this is Pastor Locke is like me, a unreligious man. He was very aggressive, condescending, arrogant, mean, and did not act like a man of god..but that’s usually how people act when they’re getting beat and do whatever they can to be relevant..
I've always enjoyed listening to Greg Locke, but I'm so disappointed in the fact that he proved his lack of knowledge. Just because one is the loudest, does not make him right
Greg Locke needs to repent. Proverbs 11:2 “When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.” Proverbs 16:5 “The LORD detests all the proud of heart. Be sure of this: They will not go unpunished.” Proverbs 16:18 “Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.” Greg showed his heart. Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks!! Whew, PRAYING FOR YOU GREG!
Wow he never said those atheists felt like flat earth saved them … they said they were able to start trusting more of the Bible because it told truth about flat earth
@LikeFrankWhite Hebrew people, Hebrew scriptures, Hebrew religion, Hebrew language, Hebrew culture.... Amazing how so many conveniently forget that basic fact, isn't it? Even more forget that Yahusha was a Torah observant Jew too, imagine that.
What you people that keep harping about the Torah continue to conveniently forget is that CHRIST the LORD FULFILLED the LAW - He Participated but He did NOT Observe it - indeed HE Created the Sabbath FOR man - Man was NOT created For the Sabbath. You Torah worshippers are the same as those religious zealots that cried to Jesus that HIS followers Picked Grain on the Sabbath. #SavedByGrace #GloryHallelujah #Maranatha. @@raptnred
There is a difference between Pharasaic Judaism & walking as Yahusha walked. You Sir, know nothing about "you people" as you put it. I did not say anything demeaning about the beliefs of others. I simply stated that some forget what he was & where Yahusha came from. To come back & attack my beliefs which you know nothing about, does NOT reflect the type of Spirit He, himself says we should have. Which relates back to my intial comment.... imagine that!
@@kingdominnertia - "CHRIST the LORD FULFILLED the LAW."? Could you provide a reference for your statement please? I only find one reference and that reads: "For truly I say to you, Till the heaven and the earth pass away, NOT ONE jot or one tittle shall in any way pass from the Law until ALL is fulfilled." (Matt 5:18) I can still see the heavens... I can still see the earth, therefore NOT ONE Law has passed away! If there is no Law, what did YOU repent from to be saved? Paul writes: "What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Let it not be said! But I DID NOT KNOW SIN EXCEPT THROUGH THE LAW. For also I did not know lust except the law said, You shall not lust." (Rom 7:7) Someone has indoctrinated you to read the Scriptures the way THEY interpret them and you simply need to do as the Messiah said and come to Him as a little child, which means reading what is written without your preconceptions, friend.
@raptnred@@defenderoftruth6000 I didn't have to look it up in the digital realm nor did I gain from man's interpretations - I read the scriptures many times & in a certain order as lead by the HOLY SPIRIT - I was rebutting the comment that Christ Observed the TORAH - which is a misnomer - again He participated out of Necessity to Present Himself Alive & in the very acts repeatedly clarified HIS Fulfillment of those Traditional Laws in Every Instance - the Only Single Verse I can refer to that will incapsulate & summate THE Fulfillment are Christs final 3 words before He Released His Spirit from the Crucifix: "It is Finished". Otherwise You need only to visit each encounter Jesus Had with those Letter of the Law Torah Worshippers who also persistently kept trying to trap him but they could not - because every single time HIS Presence/Response Superseded their letter of the law expectation &/or accusations - reading the Torah account "this Day is this Scripture Fulfilled in Your Hearing" the woman caught in the act of adultery - the disciples picking grain on the Sabbath - the eating with sinners - on and on every single ""law was again superseded by HIS GRACE - aka CHRIST Fulfilled the Law. I'm not surprised about the uproar rather than a heart knowledge of the Life of Christ as Written - after all because He could Not be Trapped by the letter of the law is the very reason He Was Murdered - many people are murdered to this day when they cannot be condemned by the ""law -- why do you think the deep state are hiding behind closed doors & writing new laws - making agreements & covenants to accuse the innocent to death through their seizure of the courts -- also the law of sin still leads to death & so repentance of your sin is still a prerequisite for forgiveness by giving up your former life/lifestyle in exchange for the Gift of Salvation through Grace aka living your new life in Christ - any one who reads the Scriptures in humility & repentance for your sinful nature can see the Truth of these things. #Selah #GloryHallelujah #SavedByGrace #Maranatha
“It’s what some Ancient Hebrews believe” that statement right there says everything you need to know about how Greg sees Yah people, just “some people”… not THEE people Yah created to evangelize and subdue the earth with HIS knowledge and HIS glory and HIS truth!
YES!! He looked like a pressure cooker with a bad seal! About to blow! I was looking for an exit and I was not even there! After being in an abusive relationship with a man that started having mannerisms erratic like that, you KNOW they’re about to go off. Get. Me. OUTTA THERE! If I was a member of his church, I would have walked out and NEVER gone back.
"Going in circles is what people in a looney bin do" "Nobody in the room fought the masonic lodge as much as I have in this room" "It's that big of deal to you? Because it's been a graven image to you" - all said by Greg Locke during this disaster of a "debate".... which he never did. I was so impressed with Dean; I'm going go pick up his book and watch his portion of the "debate" again and again until I understand it better!! Greg Locke was a disgrace. Arrogant, disgusting, prideful, disrespectful, mocking, and ANGRY!! He never even showed up for the debate he promised. Not a single verse was given to defend his position. He only mocked by saying things like, "you're believing a comic book if you believe that." What a disgrace. Who is his leader? His counsel? Someone needs to have a closed door meeting with Locke and bring him back down to earth.
I'm like Ogle, I sometimes have a hard time being polite with people talking ignorance. People saying God's Sabbath, Commandments and Feast Days are done away with or their only for the Jews.??.. They too have been lied to.... Love, Prayers, Blessings and Shalom Ya'll!!!P.S. Great Presentation Brother!!!
@thedaltontravisgray Reading the Bible with a Hebraic Mindset will change your understanding of what Mainstream Christianity is teaching. 1st John 2:3,4.... tell me that works out??? Blessings and Shalom Ya'll 👍
@jimmytphillips8828 Galatians 5;4 "Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace." We have a New and better covenant. Not the one made at Sinai which was a shadow of the one we are given. I went Hebrew roots and Yah showed me the deception there. I met as many or more religious spirits there as you do in a Baptist church. When I brought the Holy Spirit and my active relationship with the Father there, they were like deer in the headlights. It was foreign to them. They were trying to teach the new covenant hasn't been made. Many of them threw put the FACT that YESHUA IS YAHWEH! That means they were preaching an entire false apostate religion. The Holy Spirit TOLD ME that these adherences are a "damnable heresy" They were doing exactly as Paul warned. They were all fallen from grace and a relationship with the Holy Spirit. The commandments of Christ are in the new testament. They are the true intent of the law of Moses. Study them. And get grace back in your life!
@thedaltontravisgray 41,000 Different Denominations called Christianity who can't seem to read the Book of Galatians with a Hebraic Mindset. Your all missing the point. Love, Prayers, Blessings and Shalom Ya'll
@jimmytphillips8828 I read it with a contextual mindset and have read it in the language it was written. I don't need to see a clear truth through a deceptive lense that projects my religious desire to please God onto a clear instruction that says none of your Torah will justify you before God. Then the new testament goes into what pure religion is in James. It's lifting up those who are hurt and downtrodden. No religious observance can get you into heaven. That is what YUESHUA SAID. "Your righteousness will have to be greater than the pharisees" Why? Because they couldn't keep the law just like YOU CANT. The word teaches that you can celebrate whatever day or feast you are called to. And it goes on to call you weak in faith if you push dietary laws for righteousness. YESHUA SAID "It is not what goes in your mouth that defiles you, but what comes out of it" The commandments of Christ are the cornerstone of the NEW covenant in His blood. If you think Torah will save you, you are not under His blood! His blood saves. His Grace empowers us to fulfill the commands (wrapped up in 2). His Holy Spirit convicts. It's your job to discern between religious spirits that lead you away and the Holy Spirit which brings you to the Father! I already went through this WITH YAH because I have a real relationship. Go get with Him and see how He feels about you shackling yourself to shadows and not to His Son!
I will pray for Greg. He was so upset and unfounded. I have been teetering on the edge of belief in the stationary, flat Earth...and now with this....I may just have been pushed over the fence. I am there. I looked into the sky and the bright rainbow was waiting for me. I knew.
Sarah, above your head is literally a solid, clear dome/surface in which the stars, sun and moon are all fixed. Above that clear surface is water, which is why the sky is blue. God sits above all of this, heaven is real. And this is all described in the bible.
Wait, so since Greg threw Dean out of the church, does that mean Greg doesn't have to fork over the $30,000 he bet for losing the debate?? HAHAHAHA I guarantee he was waiting for an opportunity to throw him out like that.
Not only did he throw him out but he also called the cops on him and wanted to get all the FE people out of there quickly. Witsit recorded the whole thing on his YT page.
@@silentleges7988 and then he deleted any trace of the debate off of all of his platforms. I even heard that he told his congregation to never bring it up again. And somewhere I saw someone mention one of his staff got fired because he believed in the flat earth. It's a total mess...
@jessicagalgana1449 Yeah I saw that he deleted it. I'm sure he didn't want anyone seeing him get obliterated after he was so arrogant and bet $30,000 of church money and made a bunch of promises he had no intention of keeping lol. And he doesn't want anybody seeing him for the viper he really is at the end of the debate.
@@allismama They weren't talking about the fact that he wore a shirt. They were talking about the symbols on his shirt. It was covered in FBI-documented symbols.
Zdravím z EU z České republiky. U nás jsou lidé, kteří věří podle Bible v plochou zemi, zlostně pomlouváni, vyloučeni ze služby v církvi a druzí jsou před nimi varováni. Spása člověka na tom nezáleží, ale jde o pravdu. Jednou bude zjevena. Hlavně ať opravdoví Boží služebníci nesou stále ovoce Ducha Svatého a nehádají se.
It was as if greg in the beginning was fair. But it seems as if a spirit entered in an he became smh other than kind, loving, brotherly. This was just sad.
@@angieadams1902 his whole personality changed. It was shocking to see. But people need to judge for themselves. Pastor Dean speaks against Torah so he's got growing to do as well. 💚
I could clearly see Greg was agitated from the beginning and discerned his spirit was not at ease. His words were not matching his restlessness. Maybe he saw just how prepared Dean came with his power point presentation and it put him on edge
This video won't age well for Mr Greg Locke...However, blessings to both of these brothers. I'm certainly a flat earther. I've been on earth all my life and as I've traveled I've never saw a curvature of the Earth=Heart. Also if governments been lying to me all my life, why would i believe them about anything. Every child knows the Earths FLAT because its what they see, we on the other hand believe man tht has never been outside of this dome.
I never thought for a second i would believe the earth was flat but Genesis 1:6-8 changed my mind.. Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And YaHuWaH made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
This was a short interaction and yet he could not handle it. Somebody's got a fragile ego :D and the way he tried so hard to pump himself up with all these little performances, quoting the Bible really fast and giving himself props for even standing up to the debate and 'giving a platform', covertly asking for recognition, claps and validation. In the end he could not give his opponent the time to finish his rebuttal because he knew he'd lose. So sad. He chose to keep his deception and a full church of deceived people and sacrifice the truth for the sake of living, what every sinner does.
”By this all people will know that you are My disciples: if you have love for one another.” John 13:35 NASB2020 We all miss it from time to time but this was tough to watch.
That was painful to watch. That was an absolutely EXCRUCIATING example of control by Pastor Locke. Everything he said that would NOT HAPPEN, he did to Dean. It’s almost like he planned on attacking him from the very beginning. I know you know the Fruits of the Spirit, Greg. Gross behavior.
They are but mere men we cannot expect anyone to not sin Because all fall short of the glory The devil is out to kill, steal and destroy. He snuck his toe in the door, then his foot in the door, and that’s exactly what happens. We all fall prey to being human and not showing compassion or following through with our good intentions. They are just mere men The Bible tells us that no one will be perfect until he that is perfect which is Jesus has come 🙏🏼❤️
So true, every flat earther at one point believed what these globe heads still believe. Flat earthers know more about the heliocentric globe earth than globe believers do. Because we’ve done the research and now know the truth
What a shame. This could have been so much better. The angry pastor lost me from the get go. It felt like he was creating a show, and wanted to be the star. Too bad
I know. I watch regularly and was disappointed that he would even agree to waste time on this subject which not relevant in any way to our salvation. Embarrassed himself. I wish he had read Titus 3 before this.
We are mirroring this video so those who may have missed it may still view the original video, as it has since been removed from Greg's channel. (Please note: the views expressed by either party do not necessarily reflect the views of Parable of the Vineyard, this is for research/study purposes only)
For more on Biblical Cosmology see this playlist: ruclips.net/video/AeIGrEtPMmE/видео.html
This video is awesome!
Thanks for the upload. A group of Christian Flat Earthers have made a website for the express purposes of disseminating the truth of Biblical Cosmology to the globe believing Christians. That site is Biblicalcosmology (dot) faith. I thought you may be interested.
Greg Locke got a reality check last night but he didn't even recognize it lol
@@tdublove9558 When did this happen??
Thank you!
It was fun🎉🎊
"The Bible is my only compass in a sea of lies."
-Rob Skiba
The problem is when people manipulate the Bible Text to support their hypothesis. This has been the case for thousands of years and continues. The fact is that the Bible does NOT say anything about a "flat earth," and despite the fact that there are Texts that state the earth (not the entire globe) is "immoveable" most of these are either allegorical or poetic and there are equally as many text that show Yahweh will "shake" the earth.
Folks need to stop regurgitating the same fallacious "proofs" and do some reading and re-examine the Hebrew words "raqia" and "chug" just to many a few. Maybe step outside and actually watch the rotation of the constellations (they move clockwise down here ;) and the other simple observations that simply can't work on a flat plane.
I really missed brother Rob Skiba😫😭
@@defenderoftruth6000And yet likewise, there are tons of observational evidences that disprove the globular or heliocentric model that we can step outside and see… I agree with you that there are observable things that make me think, “Hmm, how does this work on a flat plane?”… it’s super interesting, I’m now leaning toward the geocentric ideas myself. Bless you
What impact should a flat or round earth have on our faith? I don’t understand why that matters so much.
@@michellefernandez6920 I think truth matters a lot.
When you resort to insults you lost. Greg lost in everyway you can lose.
The minute tempers began to flare and the bickering began this debate completely lost it value. Both these men are guilty of the harm they caused to Yeshua's message of peace, meekness, compassion, humbleness, long suffering and most of all love.
Pastor Dean Odle allowed himself to be baited into disgusting display of pride.
Blessings brothers and sisters,
@@rocco9611 not both bcz pastor dean said I’m not doing this… I did not come to do this argument
Yep (Malachi 3:2-3)
@@rocco9611
Dean got set up. The police were on standby and greg had bodygaurds all around. He kept antagonizing Dean to get him to lose his cool. I heard gregs son is a flat Earther and he tried to make them look stupid and mean. It backfired on him in my opinion.
@@tonyornelas9374 I understand your desire to stand up for Dean Odle but for me it doesn't matter, both men claim to be representatives of the most High and yet they both failed miserably in achieving that claim.
Think about how that display appeared to those who were on the fence about their belief in Yeshua, (Jesus)? We are called to be sowers of the seeds of Christ, a light to lead others on the path of righteousness.
The only thing these men did is cast a stumbling block on that path.
Both should be ashamed of themselves.
The flat earth literally opened my eyes to Gods existence. He showed me his creations in way's I can't deny his intelligent design. The pure symmetries of everything. How molecules & even scaling up to whole designs like a human. Pure symmetry through & through. Perfect shapes & even mathematics to reference the side's of all things. Example like how everything just about has 2 eyes. 2 hands. 2 Feet. & Even beyond that the star constellations the way they're set like a clock in the skies never changing even from ancient cultures till modern day. Psalms 19.1 the heavens declare the glory of God & the firmament showeth his handiwork. Frequencies creating the same geometries as molecule collections with breathtaking Precision. As though God Spoke everything into existence with Frequencies. The subject on Symmetries of creation can no doubt be proof of a creator. God almighty does indeed exist. & The way all laws of physics & frequency & vibration & electromagnetism work in unison like a machine suggests the world is a complex computer a mechanism made up of different elements come together to create a machine set with specific Boundaries & rules to it's design. As though this could really be a simulation. But not in the sense that everyone & everything is a digital rendering. It's far more complex then that. Every electron & atom & molecule work's perfectly in unison together almost as though they're Sentient & intelligent & come together to create silicon based life forms & beyond. I'm not saying we live in the matrix but I'm not saying we're not in it either. God's designs can't be summed up in a context made by men. Not myself nor any scholar. Job 38:4-11 King James Version (KJV) - Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if thou hast understanding. I feel absolutely Humbled by his handiwork. God's unfathomably awesome. Can't people see the forest for the trees anymore. Are so many so lost they can't see when God created this world it was Good. It was corrupted by the fallen & their children whom are still in charge of the world today. As in the day's of Noah So shall it be again. The world can't be fixed by apathetic behavior. Every individual must account for his or her own situation in life. For any scenario imaginable. A solution must be drawn. Where would human advancement be without investigation & discovery through hard diligent passion for their trade. God's grace & mercy are boundless. For the wickedness this world has seen & continues to see while seeking knowledge can't be measured. All lifeforms are energy. Energy can't be destroyed it can only transform. Is not the spirit the same. It being like an energy changes from clinging to it's flesh to ascension or descension. These words are the conclusion to over a decade of consistent research into well pretty much everything. Namely the truth & what aligns itself with biblical scriptures. This subject can not be articulated precisely. God's creation is beyond any mortal mind's comprehension.
Very well said.
Wow to your exuberance! I feel the same about flat earth and Gods creation .
Agreed
That was incredibly well said. Hit home heavily . Thank you for taking the time to share this .
Heard a lot the disc, that the earth is similar to, but motionless?
Pastor Dean's presentation was nothing short of brilliant! thank you so much for saving and sharing this. Halle lu Yahuah!
Sho wuzzz!!!!
Just quoted flat Earth memes.
All praises to Yahuah
@@whitejosh444 that's a lie. He literally quoted God's word. And did the hard work, digging deep (word origins, greek and hebrew) to prove the meanings of the words he quotes. God's word won't come back void.
Halleluyah!!!
“Everyone will be well protected and respected tonight.” - Greg Locke
The first lie out of his mouth that night… obviously by how things ended.
Yes, and he said they were friends. What a hypocrite.
Greg is a gambler, putting up $30,000 for anyone than can prove flat earth. He made fun of people with mental issues in psych hospitals during the debate. Not once did he ask for prayers for these people nor did he pray himself for these people. Go back and watch the debate. He divorced his wife and married another which by his bible, the King James version you are not supposed to do. (Luke 16:18 - Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.) and (1 Corinthians 7:10-11 - And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.) In my opinion, Greg is not in the pulpit to saves souls or to lead people to God.
Greg was telling his members for weeks that he planned "to humiliate him with the Bible". Anyone pre-discussion who says they "plan to humiliate" is going in with the wrong attitude.
And he told many
@@thecraftykid1998 I would guess Dean destroyed ALL the verses Greg was going to use, so he had to revert to waffling, preaching and tearing down a list Dean hadn't even referred to. To then use Hebrews 11:3 just showed how he'd brought a kitchen towel to a gun fight. The Greek word aion is NOT "worlds", Dean was bang on, as he was the entire "debate/acle".
It was infuriating to watch, but I at least hope some of his church now see some truth in our giant beautiful flat and enclosed terrarium and leave Greg to work it out eventually!
The Roman key design on Locke's shirt was not accidental. He answers to another authority and it's not Christ. When he threw his temper tantrum at the end it spoke volumes of his character. Know them by their fruit.
Did anyone else notice the freemason "M" sign Greg made. Not a normal hand gesture and takes a little effort to make.
@@carlalindsey9371 I missed that!!
I noticed Dean idle putting a finger to his temple early on, but wondered if it might really be out actual bemusement and not necessarily on purpose. Any thoughts? 🤔
Nice catch... discernment 👍
I was thinking it might have been a Versace shirt based on the pattern they often use in their designs. If so, it's very expensive. Just another example of the mega church, multi millionaire pastor mentality. Not that you can have nice things but I think it's very telling when a supposed man of God who is called to ministry chooses to present themselves. It just comes off as caring about worldly treasures and how money can cause corruption.
The globe guy lost terribly. Definitely not the man to hold his arguments. Kinda a rude person.
He's not a pastor!
He is like the friends I stopped talking too; closed minded fools of pride.
Why?
It’s because there is no argument and the earth our God created is flat(compared to a globe) and stationary.
Matters not. Earth is still spherical. Religion is irrelevant on the matter.
I cut my teeth in ministry preaching the Gospel on the streets. Pastored for 20+ yrs and ministered all over the world. I was excited to listen to the Greg Locke and Dean Odle "debate". Man, I was so disappointed! Mr. Locke was so combative and unfortunately drew Mr. Odle into that same manner as well at times. The man of God should not be quarrelsome, but kind, able to teach... This was such a bad look to unbelievers. Too much bickering! Mr. Odle seemed awfully provoked by Mr. Locke. On substance, Mr. Odle wiped the floor with Mr. Locke.
Yes Odle should have stayed calm a couple times. Greg cornered him with not having a map. Dean should have said Gleason’s map and we need to make another.
Dean Odle handled himself very well for a (human) man that was set up, and provoked, continously.
I love Pastor Locke and I like Odle too but they both acted so prideful and arrogant and to be friends neither really wanted to listen to the other. They need some Holy Spirit conviction over this
Yah, vengeance is mine? Doesn't sound timid to me! Yeahsuha went and fastened a whip and chase the money changers and such out of the temple. Premeditated! Wise up...
In my viewing Greg is still giving his speech at the beginning and I'm reading your comment and it's disappointing to see. It's sad that I can't change the outcome..
Locke is really showing his arrogance and pride
I agree…. 100%
Just wanna say as an Australian we do NOT live upside down. We live on a flat plane it’s simple as that.
Oh man that is so funny :D:D:D:D
I SECOND THAT! as I live next door in New ZEALAND
Some people have tried to suggest that a normal compass gets confused in the southern hemisphere. North on a compass always points north and doesn't get confused because you are closer to the "south" pole correct?
@@moogle_k if there was a south pole, the compass should be switching 180 degrees when going over the equator, it doesn't. its only getting weaker.
This!!!
The flat earth and the firmament proves the very existence of Heavenly Father Yahu'ah☝️meaning He is literally above and outside the firmament
Amen! ☝🏾
amen halleluYAH
Amen 🙌
Amen!
If the earth is flat then God likes to confuse people.
Greg Locke proved he is worshipping the lawless one
yes he did
Nah, you'd have said that about Elijah on Mount Carmel, Or Jesus in the Temple when he threw the tables over.
$$$
@@DavidWilliams-nb4eh LOL nice try. you are wrong. greggs church sells things inside their doors. he was the type to have his tables flipped.
Shalom.
My first thoughts are the pastor of the church is being kind of rude and arrogant.regardless of his views he should have treated the brother with more respect and an open mind.
Pastor Dean's presentation was great! Well done sir. Wish this ended better than it did.
There's a great awaking happening right now!! The Spirit of God is being poured out on the earth ! And it gives me goosebumps!!! Praise God The Most High God the ONLY Wise God 🙌 🙏
Greg didn't produce a single verse supporting the globe model 🤦🏻♂️ he didn't even debate, he just preached and got angry... Not how a pastor should behave 😢 he came totally unprepared and got demolished! Either you believe that God knows what he created, or you believe He's a liar... But the Bible IS a flat earth book cover to cover and that is a well known fact! Let God be true and every man a liar 📖
The earth is not flat SMDH@U
@@melindajohnson5010 by saying that you are calling God a liar 🤦🏻♂️ I pray that you one day see the truth about God's beautiful creation and stop believing the Devil's lies
The whole event was put on by the enemy. These guys are both puppets. Just like Rob Skiba was. Freemasons. As Lenin said "The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves."
Genesis 15:12 KJV
And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.
If the sun‘s going down, where is it going?
When it’s daylight here it’s dark in China. If the earth was flat, why can’t we see the sun?
Exactly...he preached based on unrelated spiritual things...appealed to emotion, falsely accused and name called, and even used some young kids post to pretend all True Creationist agreed with said post of scriptures. Kind of like using the FE Society and other Memes that none of us have ever agreed with nor supported. I always end up so disappointed with the globe sides "debate" as they never provide even one single proof or scripture. Oh how I wish the globe were true and we had not been deceived all these years, but once we just face it, we get over it and move onto more and more freedom.
I saw this last night... I can't watch this again... I got physically ill last night after hearing that Greg Locke guy speak... He didn't exhibit the fruits of the Spirit... He displayed pride, hate, malice, insults, falsehoods, and complete incoherent babble throughout the entire event up to the point he was called out and had no leg to stand on... He never even addressed anything Dean had presented... We need to pray for this guy and those that sit under him... He is truly the "blind leading the blind" and we know from scripture this will lead to all of them falling in the ditch...
I got physically ill also
I believe the bible speaks of a flat Earth.
@@lornabrooks2777 The scriptures do support flat earth... I'm not talking about Dean, I'm talking about Greg Locke... Greg is the one denying flat earth and scripture with no basis... Maybe you need to watch the video before you make a comment...
@@thomasdexter9646 I wasn't disagreeing. I simply said I believed the bible speaks of a flat Earth.
It would perhaps be nice if you spoke kindly to others. Shalom.
@lornabrooks2777 Are you telling me that speaking the truth is not being nice??? Also, considering what my comment was and what your reply was shows you assumed wrong and took to action on your misconception... This is a lack of accountability on your part and an act of doubling down instead of holding yourself accountable...
I was once a globe theory believer to until Yahuah said son the earth is flat and My Word Proves It HalaluYahuah 🙌📜📖
Praise Yah!❤
I sat on a dock almost a year ago and prayed that God would reveal to me the truth about this subject. He has. The earth is flat. God will continue to expose satan's deception. When he started breaking down the seal, I started thinking about how God's finger print is everywhere (Trees, leaves, people). What a mighty God we serve!
How do you think the earth is flat
Did he happen to tell you the versus?
@@RunninGunner04 its in the scripture,,, seek and you shall find
I was a glober before watching this.
Hope you now believe that Biblically the earth is flat and will continue to, because God isn't a liar.
Now you know why the Bible says Satan deceives the whole world. Now you know how, by erasing God's creating with a heliocentric lie
HalleluYah!😃 the biblically flat earth is beautiful 🥰❤️🙌🏽 WELCOME, dear one❤️
Water my friend, all you need is water to prove Ya's creation.
Odle makes a lot of sense and it lines up with scripture
Greg created so many new flat earthers! Both of them did, actually. Thankful
Funny I was just thinking about that. I wonder how many people are now flat earthers due to Pastor Greg Locke behavior? 😢
@@Ferdinand_FE loads of people.... i hope
YOU CAN BELIEVE IN FLAT EARTH ALL DAY LONG AND STILL BURN IN HELL!!!!
@@Ferdinand_FE Why the sad face? The evidence is overwhelming that it is the globe model that is the vast deception. You can't have aliens if you don't have outer space and billions of galaxies. The truth will make you free.
Over 64,000 people viewed it…half that were on the fence…about 32,000 folks are now Flat Earth God’s Creation Believers. SWEET!!!!
I'll add this as well. Pastor Greg Locke made being a christian the wrong way. Odle was more loving and understanding than Locke. Lock is a false teacher in my book, period.
His rants against Sabbath and beards were both really hard to witness. Prayers he comes to the Truth!
I AGREE 👍
Amen, a false teacher who preaches a false gospel
Exactly bro extremely true
@@FriendlyNeighborhoodGentile and wears p*do symbols on his clothes
Wow, Greg Locke acted very immature at the end when he lost it! Very disappointing and not Christ like.
John 9:34 , blind man sees and globe synagogue
Thank you for sharing this! I was looking for it on rumble.
Makes me sad listening to pastor Locke, you can tell he is convicted and gets very upset.
Knowledge MUST be paired with humility and love!
Ooooo, clearly yes
He got owned. Dean did a great job of presenting secular, empirical AND scriptural evidence for FE and Greg brought someone else's homework.
@@AndrewFosterSheff69 Straight up intellectual homicide. Greg was willfully ignorant. It took me way less than a month to perform a cursory search of flat earth and hear their claims.
Wow… I can’t believe what Im hearing. I am shocked and dismayed at the lies of our government!
Pastor Dean came prepared and has provided compelling evidence to refute the rotating globe-in my opinion.
I will be praying for clarity and confirmation and see where the spirit of the Lord leads me.
Blessing to all on this thread and may the spirit of truth unveil that which is required for the fulfillment and purpose of our destinies. 🙏🏻
Just me? Or Pastor Greg had an agitated angry spirit. So sad. Great facts from Pastor Dean.
Always
Yep he couldn’t sit still from the beginning.
He is a self appointed "pastor". Greg is a false prophet.
Were you there brother?
I watched live yesterday.
It was pretty.....cringe worthy at times.
Dean did a great job of presenting biblical cosmology however and I was really pleased with how much scripture he used, the fact that he Incorporated testimonies of x atheists who came to Christ through flat Earth alone. He held his composure very well considering how his opponent was behaving.
Greg, quite frankly acted like a madman and did not represent Messiah in an appropriate manner, especially that ending...yikes.
Nevertheless I'm praying that many who hear this we'll have eyes to see, ears to hear and a heart to understand and accept the truth.
In the first 30 seconds Greg said, "My friend"...but finished with turning off the mic and kicking him out.
It was very disappointing to see vitriol in that way.
Greg Locke is a number one class A narcissist. About a month ago he was doing a support Israel event at his church and was literally calling for mass genocide of all Palestinians in order to "usher in the Second Coming of Christ". He is an evil man to want people to die like that! I have my doubts the man is even a Christian!
Greg was so hoping his security would get to cause a scene escorting unruly flat earthers out of the tent.
@@tmmyholm9 There is no way that man has the Spirit of God in him. Unrelated but he did a video about a month and a half ago about Israel and he literally was calling for a mass genocide of all Palestinians in order to "usher in the second coming of Christ". I was floored! I believe Christ will come back a the appointed hour but this man wants people murdered to make that happen! He is EVIL.
God was working in that church that night. He both released the truth of His creation, but He also exposed that church.
Pray for Greg and "his" (God's ACTUALLY) church.
True fruit shown in this video, not a fan of deans anti torah approach to the scriptures but i definitely respect him more for the way he carried himself and i think his presentation was pretty good. I think some seeds may of been planted last night praise 𐤉𐤄𐤅𐤄
Agree
I agree🙌🏼❤️
You're under a curse if you're under the law !
@@BiblicalFlatEarthJoshua under the law means you have turned away from the father and the curse is you have no atonement because your not keeping law. Atonement is for the repentant not the lawless. But thank you for your interpretation.
AGREED! We need to pray that Dean continues to grow in truth! ❤🙏
That's why I started my channel! Enoch and 4th Esdras confirm all this and it ALL goes together which has deceived the whole earth. End to end❤
My first time watching Pastor Greg. Wow he just learned the truth and still denies it. I’m praying for him. 🫤
🙏🏻🙏🏻
No... Not hardly
Aww. You're adorable! Stay blessed!
"Turn his mic off. Get out." woof... as someone who remains a skeptic on this topic; well done Pastor Odle.
One is a Jesuit for sure!🤷🏻♀️
I wish Dean explained the Jesuit angle of it.@@DavidH-n2x
Three months later, are you still a skeptic? It took me a day to become a flat earther.
Pastor Locke starts by saying that Pastor Odle is his friend and that there were non Christians there and that they should all be friendly and that they can disagree and it's okay. Well it didn't turn out that way because Pastor Locke blew it. These are four hours you will never get back. Disappointing.
Greg is asleep in the Matrix. He just got schooled. Dean ate him up with facts! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Amen!!!!
KJB is a flat earth book
FIRMAMENT not universe
First off, I was able to watch some of the debate live and was hugely embarassed by the behavior of Greg Locke from the onset.
Regarding Dean's presentation of supporting evidence, of particular interest to me because they were new to me, was the "football field video" and the "clouds behind the sun". Please consider reviewing some of his "facts" on your own, as I did. Sometimes we want to just believe things as facts because they support our beliefs. I'm not saying all his supporting evidence was flawed, but if some of his simpler "facts" fall short, it's makes one reconsider the legitimacy of any of his "facts".
I encourage you to keep in mind throughout all of this that not all the phenomena of the world can be explained or understood in simple terms. Our God, is far more intelligent than all of mankind. In fact, I sometimes refer to him as the best engineer. If we think we can explain all of his creation in simple terms and observations, I feel that it dimishes his authority and power.
Blessings on your journey.
@@bryanl1977what more proof do you need then water?? Water was created by God, water lays flat when at rest. God created the earth and filled over 70 percent of it with water at its level(sea LEVEL). Commonsense.
did you hear what happened to Greg's church?
I could clearly see Greg was agitated from the beginning and discerned his spirit was not at ease. His words were not matching his restlessness. Maybe he saw just how prepared Dean came with his power point presentation and it put him on edge 🤔
He also backed everything up by scripture, which was most important.
❤ We should pray for Pastor Greg Locke 🙏 for his eyes and heart to receive the truth😊
Dean rocked this "debate." He had the Biblical and factual backing. Good to watch, FE is Biblical through and through.
Odle provided a lot of scripture instead of “it was proven 2500 years ago and that is the way it is!” If our government would test nuclear weapons on our own people, pretty sure, for whatever reason, they could change facts to align with an agenda.
Greg Locke is a perfect example of why there is a falling away. He is not a humble enough man to fully receive the word of YHWH.
It is "Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man."
"Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch."
Greg defiles the hearts of men with his mouth as he blasphemes against the word of YHWH.
He was in the truther movement and i heard he was given a second chance by white hats. Just saying
I AGREE,,,,,, HE APPEARED VERY ANGRY AND AGGRESSIVE 😠
I have always had discernment against Greg Locke. Have not watched the video, yet, but his stance on Palestine were evil. No one who claims to be a follower of Yeshua could speak with such evil intent towards another people group. He is a false prophet leading masses away from the Truth.
@@patriotmom560As Christian's, grace & forgiveness to the repentant.
At some point when grace wears thin, you distance yourself from them, perhaps permanently.
I never could watch his program , now I know why .
I am so HAPPY, Church is FINALLY speaking about our (non-globe) earth!❤ I was praying for church's to get brave and share this!! God bless you! 🙏
You know I've been thinking of the "feet of iron and clay" a lot recently.
NO-ONE can mix anymore, EVERYONE is polarised, if you're not with me you are against me - even in the churches.
Oh come large rock out of the mountain... take this statue DOWN DOWN DOWN!!!!
\o/
I have made a movie about that verse :)@@AndrewFosterSheff69
The earth is a globe... Just because you guys wanna deny science doesn't make you right. NOTHING would work the way it does if the earth was flat. If the earth was flat, everything would be the same everywhere... It wouldn't be light in the east while it's dark in the west and vice versa... Seasons wouldn't work the way they do, on and on and on.
@@AndrewFosterSheff69 Thats not what that passage is about. If you REALLY wanna know what the iron and clay is about, look into transhumanism.
As a believer in Jeshua, after watching this presentation with much interest to its completion to try to learn more about flat earth pro and con from a Biblical perspective, there is NO way I will EVER darken the door of Pastor Locke's church because of how Pastor Locke treated Pastor Ogle. Pastor Locke said at the beginning of this video that Pastor Ogle was his friend in the Lord, and had even preached in the pulpit for him. He also said at the start he wanted everyone to be friends, be Christians, "don't want to have to calm anybody down", "we want to leave being friends", and not attack individuals. What happened was blatantly the opposite, an utter and blatant lack of respect, bitterness, and open hatred that exuded from Pastor Locke toward his guest opponent (supposedly his friend) that left me, a high school teacher experienced in debate, totally speechless, sick in the gut, and in shock. Regardless of position, the behavior, attack and treatment of his opponent by Pastor Locke in this debate was completely unacceptable, along with the miniscule scriptural foundation or research presented by Pastor Locke, just a lot of rude and unprofessional mud slinging. Pastor Locke tonight truly was a "jerk for Jesus" (his words, not mine), and if I had not already been a believer and had been present in person at this event, his belittling behavior would have totally turned me off to learning anything more about the scriptures or Christ.
But more importantly do you now see how scripture does in fact speak both literally AND metaphorically of a flat and enclosed terrarium surrounded by water? ;-) Cos it is.
The circle of the earth with the heavens hung like a tent kinda spells it out tbh.
@@AndrewFosterSheff69 I am a flat earther as well but I don’t think the shape of the earth is more important than the point this man made. We have a responsibility to show Christ to the lost and dying world above all else. Even above cosmology. Every fruit of the Holy Spirit was missing near the end and the characteristics of love weren’t seen. To an unbelieving person these Christian’s have nothing to offer because they look just like every other lost soul…
Dean used the Bible, Locke used mans theory. FE is the True Earth construct and God is watching Locke destroy his word, his house, his glory. God sees you Locke
God bless Dean Odle .I give him great kudos for sticking around to show his presentation .
Greg brought a whole bunch of chaos to the debate its really sad to see
Now i understand why he deleted it.
Has Dean posted it anywhere??
He may have deleted it but it will forever be in cyberspace somewhere! He needs to watch it especially the last five minutes and judge himself because he let the flesh take over and looked like he was possessed of something, but I know true Christians cannot be demon possessed. I have followed Greg for years and really enjoyed his deep dives into scripture but the end of that debate changed how I will forever see him. I’m not going to judge him or call him names because Christian’s don’t do that but he should apologize to Pastor Dean and ask forgiveness. God is not the author of confusion, and where the spirit of the Lord is there is liberty, there was no liberty at that debate. I see this bringing nothing but negativity and doubting Thomases for Greg Locke now. I pray he can be humble and repent and ask forgiveness it has to happen according to scripture he was not doing the will of God in the end of that debate. I will pray for him in Jesus name.
How he started the debate vs how he ended it blew my mind ..... no words 😮
I disagree. I felt Greg started out incredibly gracious and was just wanting answers to his questions. Dean started to be defensive by refusing to answer the question about a flat earth map. He started off by threatening to leave if he keep being interrupted yet he refused to answer the question. He discounted what appeared to me a sincere desire to understand. It’s incredible how two people can watch the same debate and lay blame on two different sides. I have no dog in this race. I came because I heard another podcast where the person ripped Greg apart as to him being the aggressor and his ‘un-Christian like’ behavior so if anything I came expecting to find that, yet I found the opposite. Yes, it ended badly but I can see why. Dean did not take responsibility for any of his behavior and always had an ‘excuse’ of blame to Greg when he couldn’t answer his questions. I don’t condone brothers in the Lord being contentious but I can understand why this happened. I guess in the end, whether the earth is flat or round, whether it’s young earth, old earth, pre-trib, mid-trib, pre-wrath,post trib, the devil has won. He’s divided the Church. The Church can only operate in its fullness with power and authority when we are in unity. I guess the real winner here is him. And the heart of God is broken.
Don't think Gods heart is broken... Greg locke is full of false doctrine...he is abusive to his flock... think God is more concerned about those things than this debate. You know the church goes into apostasy before the antichrist arrives... and we are almost there now. Only a remnant left.
Yahushua never debated. Imma walk as He walked. Watch out for pride, it has sprung up. I will not stumble on that root.
1 Peter 3:15-17
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear; having a good conscience, that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Christ may be ashamed
But on even my hope I will not debate. I refer to scripture, my sole defense, and leave it there. Those that have an ear, let them hear. @@Tonyvillanueva94
The Lord spoke with Authority
I don't think it's about you performing the same actions as him, but rather that you live in the spirit, as he did.
It's not about the debate itself, the question is: is it out of pride or to show others the truth? That´s what´s important.
1 John 2:6 @@nahuelpatania3522 You better know its about action. And the spirit you live in, it shall be seen in the walk. You can not separate the two. That is how we test the fruit. What is spiritually believed on the inside absolutely produces itself as physical, you can see it. He that has an ear let him hear.... bottom line the truth isn't for everyone walking around today. It's for those who seek it. Yahushua understood that, no debate required to clear things up.
It was rob skiba & God in a nut shell videos regarding Gen 6 and biblical cosmology that brought me back. Then found parable of the vineyard shortly after... haven't looked back since. Amen
HalleluYAH! 🕯🌾
amen im there with you
Those trey Smith videos are pretty good.
I agree! I loved Rob Skiba! And it's so true... once you go flat... you never go back. You just can't unsee the truth ❤
@@mimiwarren3882Skiba? Wasn't he the individual who killed himself and endangered others with his bullshit about the Covid vaccine? You are hanging on to the words of such a person?
Unbelievable.
Greg was pretty disrespectful especially in the last 10 minutes. You wouldn’t expect a pastor that leads so many to act like that.
That's because Greg is a false prophet.
The other pastor was literally trying to steal Greg’s congregation 😂. I’d be upset too lol
@@snorkelfish I don’t know about steel, but he definitely invited them to a service he was having outside of that building. If I saw a congregation that was being led by a man like that, I would try to get them out too.
@@ryanodea-wilkinson3950I mean to be honest they’re both idiots. I would try to get their people to stop going too. I’m just saying that if I was Greg Locke that would make me mad. 😂
I’ve never been a flat earther, but Dean’s presentation was pretty thorough and brought up some good points.
I am a Christian though, and I’d agree with most here that Greg’s behavior was shocking and disappointing. I’ve never seen or heard him before, and I don’t think I’d care to in the future.
Maybe there's hope for you. You're not a flat eather YET!!! Genesis chapter 1 says the lights in the sky were created for the earth. The earth was not created to fly through both space and time at astronmical speeds and around the sun. It was created to be inhabited by God's children. He created it on a firm foundation like a Good Father would. As a child of God, it is so important to see His truth. The truth is that He created our temporary home (earth), a safe immovable, very close to Him place. He sits right above us and not light years away.
@@73reneer He lives within you! The Kingdom is within you! You are redeemed to be ONE With Him. (John 17:20-21).
How close is ONEness? "You are God/gods. Sons of the Most High." Psalms 82:6
But takes obedience to His Truth. When we understand a Truth, we are always asked, "Will you pick up this Truth/Cross?"
There are many NASA fail videos on this channel, maby they will be of help:
ruclips.net/video/mcTW2vfmqw8/видео.htmlsi=u-2QEXJUtucJNiwR
I consider myself a Hebrew Cosmologist
He's a false prophet!
Truth needed to be told. Because when the stars fall(fallen angels/aliens technology) show up millions will be deceived. But the truth will keep you from men’s hearts failing them from terror. Stand Firm to the END Beloved Saints! Famine/War/Pestilence is coming quickly. Will Yahusha find faith? When he comes. Yah ❤’s you!!!
You ain't lying. The worst times in history are heading our way. Many will fall away for some bread.
I guess Mr Locke needs to find the Key !!! I think he was totally unprepared for this debate. Maybe his eyes were opened and he was not able to handle the truth !!!
Yahuah will open our eyes to the Truth when we are willing to be humble and obedience to His Torah.
PRIDE COMES BEFORE THE FALL, And this preacher dude was full of pride and anger wow
He probably thought he was prepared because he used google and Wikipedia to do his research
I love how God made the firmament on day 2 any put the sun moon and stars in it on day 4. I'm so glad he made the Earth fixed and immovable. I think it's pretty cool how he stopped the sun and moon for Joshua for a day.
There’s another spot in the Bible where he stopped the sun and dialed it back. That’s what makes me understand how god speeds up the days and slows them down that explains the time frames in the Bible better too.
I believe it's in Habakkuk @@splinewalker214
At 24 minutes, Pastor Dean drops the hammer, and any sensible person would acknowledge the fact that if we’re spinning spiraling through space, we would not see the same constellations, this goes right over little Greg locks head like a Girl Scout.
Why wouldn't we see the same constellations. I'm a sensible person and it makes perfect sense to me 🤔
The stars are not fixed, but are constantly moving. If you factor out the daily arcing motion of the stars across the sky due to the earth's rotation, you end up with a pattern of stars that seems to never change. The stars seem so fixed that ancient sky-gazers mentally connected the stars into figures (constellations) that we can still make out today. But in reality, the stars are constantly moving. They are just so far away that the naked eye cannot detect their movement.
I've never scene flat earthers explain the recent solar eclipse which was accurately predicted by astronomers centuries ago.
We believe in the bible cosmology HalleluYAH JESUS. Thank you ptr. dean Odle for this teaching from the HOLY BIBLE❤️✌️🙏
Greg starts out saying he wants to leave as friends and what not...buy boy the flesh is weak. The true character squeezed out.
May i remind you it was the flat earth guy who FIRST said he was leaving and then invited people from Greg's church to a meeting he was going to have the next day...THAT is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
@@DavidWilliams-nb4eh Leaving is night and day different than ejecting someone.
Wow.. that dude is a nut case. I didn’t think it was gonna end like that 😮. Thats one of the reasons I dont like going to church. You think that guy only gets that needlessly aggressive about flat earth? You think hes the only church leader like that? No way. He's like that whenever he feels challenged. Over what isnt a salvation issue.. there is zero reason to be so dogmatic and amped up. That was gross.
Agreed 100%
This is me and my husband right now! I can’t get him to even consider the possibility that we’ve been duped. His pride says he has questioned the globe model enough that there’s no way it can be flat. Yet he refuses to do a simple Google search on the calculation of the curve of the Earth and what is/should be visible on the horizon. He BLOWS UP every time it comes up and we can never settle the matter. I’m still investigating for myself but his reaction and now Greg’s is showing me the fruit of these beliefs. I wonder which spirit is behind this, feels like a complex creature more than just pride.
I agree they get so angry.
Don’t feel bad. My wife says “what does it matter” and her head is in the clouds. Still on Christmas. Into the churchianity
Same thing happens if you bring up Christmas for most...
@busybeemiss- please know you are not alone. I have a niece in this situation. Keep loving and showing your faith by your gentleness…praying he will come around! 🙏🏼
mine too
People keep saying this wasn't even a real debate . This was a real debate and this is what happens when you argue against a truth that god revealing to the whole world!!!
No wonder Greg took this down so quickly from his own links... anyway..you shall know them by their works.
48:06 You can definitely see the character of the one that is closed minded to truth. He's argumentive and disrespectful to his guest. It's a shame.
He's not only disrespectful to his guest, he has a long history of treating his congregation the very same way.
With prayer for Holy Spirit I came back to the truth knowing the bible tells us the earth is flat and he is right above us watching over us. He cares. I was made to believe we were nothing in a great universe. Love to all my brothers and sister seeking truth.
Locke was completely outclassed here. He didn't use scripture to prove the flying water ball theory. He just argued with flat earth people who were NOT in attendance. One of the dumbest debate performances I've ever seen.
I love how people constantly say that a water ball is impossible because water always finds it level and it never balls up. But yet if you look at a slow motion video of rain where it’s falling through the air and gravity isn’t smashing it to something EVERY DROP IS A LITTLE SPHERE! 😂😂. Look at slow motion videos of when water splashes up in the air. When it reaches its peak right before gravity pulls it back down it will form a sphere so as perfect as any compass can draw a circle. But I’m sure nasa intercepts all these videos and edits them
@@jared5862 you think a rain drop is a good analogy for a supposed round rock with water attached to it flying through space at well over 500,000 mph???
@@benjohnson4907 yes. It’s a great representation of what water in its natural state does when not acted upon by other forces. It forms a sphere. You are correct.
@@jared5862 water inside the earth firmament lays flat and level and is provable literally every where you look except your slo-mo example. Explain logically how the nature of water molecules interacting together changes by spreading out over a larger area .... You're theory claims that it's flat level nature magically decides to start curving once it's spread out enough.... Apparently, water has a mind of it's own??? 😂
@@benjohnson4907 sure I can explain it. You see there’s a thing called gravity that pull the water down towards the earth. So being that water it fluid gravity will pull the water molecules that’s up higher on the spherical water drop down to the lowest level possible which eventually levels all the water molecules on an even plane perpendicular the the center of the gravity that’s pulling at them. Which forms a really giant sphere that looks almost flat when you look at a micron of it. I mean it looks pretty obvious really. Just open your eyes.
Oh and btw the point of what the water molecules do on a flat surface is not in question. But as you can clearly see hundreds if not thousands of videos show is that water when not acted upon by outside forces forms a sphere. So why wouldn’t a planet, I mean an object since apparently planets aren’t a thing, but why would an object made up of roughly 71% water not form a sphere when setting in space not being acted upon by any forces? Or are you one of the ones that believe God used his earth stamp to make the earth? In that case explain why the water stays in the flat earth bowl since a flat earth wouldn’t create enough mass to have sufficient gravity to hold the water to it. Does God use a Jedi like force to hold the water and people down 24/7/365? That seems like a lot of maintenance. Why would he not create a world that has its own force like gravity to keep everything on it? Which brings up another question. The accepted flat earth theory on seasons is that the sun moves in a small circle for summer in the northern “half” (since you don’t believe in hemispheres) and then it moves out to a larger circle to make summer in the south and winter in the north. Correct? My question is simple. Geometry will show you that the larger circular path of a southern summer will have a larger circumference which means the sun is traveling a MUCH farther distance which means to maintain a 24 hour day the sun has to drastically increase speed. But then when it goes back to the smaller circle (northern summer) it has to slow WAY down otherwise we’d have like a 10 hour day. If you’ve ever thrown a coin in a coin well at a mall and watched it go around it clearly speeds up as the circumference tightens down. Or if you’ve put an object in a string and spun it in the air and then stuck you finger up and let the string wrap around your finger. The speed will increase very quickly until the object slaps you on the hand. I think every kid has done this one. So How does this work with the sun? Is God controlling the sun and moon along with gravity 24/7/365 to keep the speed and distance in sync so we maintain a 24 hour day? And if so if he is all knowing and all powerful why can’t he make a better system that is self maintaining like a sphere on an axis?
Eagerly awaiting some answers here.
We don't live on a spinning rock ball flying through space. With other pointless rock balls around d us. End of that story.
True, unless the Long day of Joshua or turning back of the Sun Dial in Hezekiahs day, when the next 10 years, all key nations changed their calendar.
Lol. Agree. One verse not presented is "the earth is His footstool ". Can't look up the scripture to reference right now but imagine having a spinning ball not even with legs as a footstool. 😂😂😂😂
@@residuejunkie4321I thought you would be a flattie given you seem to know your Bible well.
@@residuejunkie4321 Yep! We don't need the gwabbity lie to explain why things fall down.
So what is the lesson for our FE community? Feeling Pastor Greg needs to humble himself and take out his strong cognitive dissonance and ask God what is the real biblical cosmology. No one will learn FE WITHOUT HUMBLING THEMSELVES FROM SCIENTISM AND PAGAN COSOMOLOGY (HELIO CENTRISM, SUN WORSHIP...) Hoping Pastor still got his Antarctica ticket ! God bless
Test every spirit! I can't believe people still listen to this pastor in his church, He no self control no humbleness and kindness and full off of pride. But one thing for sure he has >> Self righteousness!
I’m really struggling to get through his presentation section (at about the 3 hour mark).
Greg Locke acted as if he was being possessed by the devil. His hatred of God's word was saddening.
man gregs rebuttal was hard to watch it wasn't even a rebuttal because he didn't have anything . he just preached
That wasn't preaching-Greg is a false prophet.
I weep and pray for all of those involved.
In our beloved YAHUSHA'S name May the ruach of YAH move upon them mightily with all the truths that were shared. Convicting them of their unrighteous behavior, thus moving them from milk to meat like He has done for all who seek Truth. HalleluYAH!!
I’m not a religious man, and I watched this neutral. Only thing I got from this is Pastor Locke is like me, a unreligious man. He was very aggressive, condescending, arrogant, mean, and did not act like a man of god..but that’s usually how people act when they’re getting beat and do whatever they can to be relevant..
So glad someone saved this! Thank you!🙏
I've always enjoyed listening to Greg Locke, but I'm so disappointed in the fact that he proved his lack of knowledge. Just because one is the loudest, does not make him right
Any guy who says he will beat someone with a microphone in the name of Jesus shouldnt even be preaching
Greg Locke needs to repent. Proverbs 11:2 “When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.” Proverbs 16:5 “The LORD detests all the proud of heart. Be sure of this: They will not go unpunished.” Proverbs 16:18 “Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.” Greg showed his heart. Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks!! Whew, PRAYING FOR YOU GREG!
Wow!! I hav a new view of pastor Locke! He’s childish and petty when he’s pushed with certain facts. He needs to lose a touch of pride!
Wow he never said those atheists felt like flat earth saved them … they said they were able to start trusting more of the Bible because it told truth about flat earth
Praise God it has!
The Bible is written about a group of people known as the Hebrews, who definitely believed in flat earth, so yes! the Bible teaches flat earth 😬😅
@LikeFrankWhite
Hebrew people, Hebrew scriptures, Hebrew religion, Hebrew language, Hebrew culture....
Amazing how so many conveniently forget that basic fact, isn't it?
Even more forget that Yahusha was a Torah observant Jew too, imagine that.
What you people that keep harping about the Torah continue to conveniently forget is that CHRIST the LORD FULFILLED the LAW - He Participated but He did NOT Observe it - indeed HE Created the Sabbath FOR man - Man was NOT created For the Sabbath. You Torah worshippers are the same as those religious zealots that cried to Jesus that HIS followers Picked Grain on the Sabbath. #SavedByGrace #GloryHallelujah #Maranatha. @@raptnred
There is a difference between Pharasaic Judaism & walking as Yahusha walked.
You Sir, know nothing about "you people" as you put it.
I did not say anything demeaning about the beliefs of others. I simply stated that some forget what he was & where Yahusha came from.
To come back & attack my beliefs which you know nothing about, does NOT reflect the type of Spirit He, himself says we should have. Which relates back to my intial comment.... imagine that!
@@kingdominnertia - "CHRIST the LORD FULFILLED the LAW."?
Could you provide a reference for your statement please? I only find one reference and that reads:
"For truly I say to you, Till the heaven and the earth pass away, NOT ONE jot or one tittle shall in any way pass from the Law until ALL is fulfilled." (Matt 5:18)
I can still see the heavens... I can still see the earth, therefore NOT ONE Law has passed away!
If there is no Law, what did YOU repent from to be saved?
Paul writes:
"What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Let it not be said! But I DID NOT KNOW SIN EXCEPT THROUGH THE LAW. For also I did not know lust except the law said, You shall not lust." (Rom 7:7)
Someone has indoctrinated you to read the Scriptures the way THEY interpret them and you simply need to do as the Messiah said and come to Him as a little child, which means reading what is written without your preconceptions, friend.
@raptnred@@defenderoftruth6000 I didn't have to look it up in the digital realm nor did I gain from man's interpretations - I read the scriptures many times & in a certain order as lead by the HOLY SPIRIT - I was rebutting the comment that Christ Observed the TORAH - which is a misnomer - again He participated out of Necessity to Present Himself Alive & in the very acts repeatedly clarified HIS Fulfillment of those Traditional Laws in Every Instance - the Only Single Verse I can refer to that will incapsulate & summate THE Fulfillment are Christs final 3 words before He Released His Spirit from the Crucifix: "It is Finished". Otherwise You need only to visit each encounter Jesus Had with those Letter of the Law Torah Worshippers who also persistently kept trying to trap him but they could not - because every single time HIS Presence/Response Superseded their letter of the law expectation &/or accusations - reading the Torah account "this Day is this Scripture Fulfilled in Your Hearing" the woman caught in the act of adultery - the disciples picking grain on the Sabbath - the eating with sinners - on and on every single ""law was again superseded by HIS GRACE - aka CHRIST Fulfilled the Law. I'm not surprised about the uproar rather than a heart knowledge of the Life of Christ as Written - after all because He could Not be Trapped by the letter of the law is the very reason He Was Murdered - many people are murdered to this day when they cannot be condemned by the ""law -- why do you think the deep state are hiding behind closed doors & writing new laws - making agreements & covenants to accuse the innocent to death through their seizure of the courts -- also the law of sin still leads to death & so repentance of your sin is still a prerequisite for forgiveness by giving up your former life/lifestyle in exchange for the Gift of Salvation through Grace aka living your new life in Christ - any one who reads the Scriptures in humility & repentance for your sinful nature can see the Truth of these things. #Selah #GloryHallelujah #SavedByGrace #Maranatha
He's wearing the masonic symbols! I can't hardly stand to listen to Greg. A TRUE Pastor would NEVER act so Narcissistic!
“It’s what some Ancient Hebrews believe” that statement right there says everything you need to know about how Greg sees Yah people, just “some people”… not THEE people Yah created to evangelize and subdue the earth with HIS knowledge and HIS glory and HIS truth!
I like how he couldn’t win the debate so he turned it into a Sunday service at his church.
Greg is unstable. He should take some time and come back in a couple years.
Totally agree.
YES!! He looked like a pressure cooker with a bad seal! About to blow! I was looking for an exit and I was not even there! After being in an abusive relationship with a man that started having mannerisms erratic like that, you KNOW they’re about to go off. Get. Me. OUTTA THERE! If I was a member of his church, I would have walked out and NEVER gone back.
Or never. I'd never step foot in his church. And after this, I'd actually ask for his resignation. He was a disgrace to his church.
Greg Lock is proud and Therefor BLIND.
Dean ate that up!!!! Greg straight got schooled that's why he's so big mad!!!! 😜
"Going in circles is what people in a looney bin do"
"Nobody in the room fought the masonic lodge as much as I have in this room"
"It's that big of deal to you? Because it's been a graven image to you"
- all said by Greg Locke during this disaster of a "debate".... which he never did.
I was so impressed with Dean; I'm going go pick up his book and watch his portion of the "debate" again and again until I understand it better!!
Greg Locke was a disgrace. Arrogant, disgusting, prideful, disrespectful, mocking, and ANGRY!! He never even showed up for the debate he promised. Not a single verse was given to defend his position. He only mocked by saying things like, "you're believing a comic book if you believe that."
What a disgrace. Who is his leader? His counsel? Someone needs to have a closed door meeting with Locke and bring him back down to earth.
Greg you will Be Held Accountable....
Locke's demon manifested!
I'm like Ogle, I sometimes have a hard time being polite with people talking ignorance. People saying God's Sabbath, Commandments and Feast Days are done away with or their only for the Jews.??.. They too have been lied to.... Love, Prayers, Blessings and Shalom Ya'll!!!P.S. Great Presentation Brother!!!
New testament disagrees
@thedaltontravisgray Reading the Bible with a Hebraic Mindset will change your understanding of what Mainstream Christianity is teaching. 1st John 2:3,4.... tell me that works out??? Blessings and Shalom Ya'll 👍
@jimmytphillips8828 Galatians 5;4 "Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace."
We have a New and better covenant. Not the one made at Sinai which was a shadow of the one we are given. I went Hebrew roots and Yah showed me the deception there. I met as many or more religious spirits there as you do in a Baptist church. When I brought the Holy Spirit and my active relationship with the Father there, they were like deer in the headlights. It was foreign to them. They were trying to teach the new covenant hasn't been made. Many of them threw put the FACT that YESHUA IS YAHWEH! That means they were preaching an entire false apostate religion. The Holy Spirit TOLD ME that these adherences are a "damnable heresy" They were doing exactly as Paul warned. They were all fallen from grace and a relationship with the Holy Spirit. The commandments of Christ are in the new testament. They are the true intent of the law of Moses. Study them. And get grace back in your life!
@thedaltontravisgray 41,000 Different Denominations called Christianity who can't seem to read the Book of Galatians with a Hebraic Mindset. Your all missing the point. Love, Prayers, Blessings and Shalom Ya'll
@jimmytphillips8828 I read it with a contextual mindset and have read it in the language it was written. I don't need to see a clear truth through a deceptive lense that projects my religious desire to please God onto a clear instruction that says none of your Torah will justify you before God. Then the new testament goes into what pure religion is in James. It's lifting up those who are hurt and downtrodden. No religious observance can get you into heaven. That is what YUESHUA SAID. "Your righteousness will have to be greater than the pharisees" Why? Because they couldn't keep the law just like YOU CANT. The word teaches that you can celebrate whatever day or feast you are called to. And it goes on to call you weak in faith if you push dietary laws for righteousness. YESHUA SAID "It is not what goes in your mouth that defiles you, but what comes out of it" The commandments of Christ are the cornerstone of the NEW covenant in His blood. If you think Torah will save you, you are not under His blood! His blood saves. His Grace empowers us to fulfill the commands (wrapped up in 2). His Holy Spirit convicts. It's your job to discern between religious spirits that lead you away and the Holy Spirit which brings you to the Father! I already went through this WITH YAH because I have a real relationship. Go get with Him and see how He feels about you shackling yourself to shadows and not to His Son!
The truth set us free
I will pray for Greg. He was so upset and unfounded. I have been teetering on the edge of belief in the stationary, flat Earth...and now with this....I may just have been pushed over the fence. I am there. I looked into the sky and the bright rainbow was waiting for me. I knew.
Sarah, above your head is literally a solid, clear dome/surface in which the stars, sun and moon are all fixed. Above that clear surface is water, which is why the sky is blue. God sits above all of this, heaven is real. And this is all described in the bible.
There's a ton of pilots who have admitted the earth is flat....!
Wait, so since Greg threw Dean out of the church, does that mean Greg doesn't have to fork over the $30,000 he bet for losing the debate?? HAHAHAHA I guarantee he was waiting for an opportunity to throw him out like that.
Not only did he throw him out but he also called the cops on him and wanted to get all the FE people out of there quickly. Witsit recorded the whole thing on his YT page.
@jessicagalgana1449 wow I didn't know all that. That's literally insane lol
@@silentleges7988 and then he deleted any trace of the debate off of all of his platforms. I even heard that he told his congregation to never bring it up again. And somewhere I saw someone mention one of his staff got fired because he believed in the flat earth. It's a total mess...
@jessicagalgana1449 Yeah I saw that he deleted it.
I'm sure he didn't want anyone seeing him get obliterated after he was so arrogant and bet $30,000 of church money and made a bunch of promises he had no intention of keeping lol. And he doesn't want anybody seeing him for the viper he really is at the end of the debate.
Wow , he denies what God created and how it was designed ! Locke should not be preaching to anyone .
Greg Locke is very disrespectful and rude. A person can be recognised by the fruit he produce.
He is a false prophet. His mask is slowly falling off.
Personally Greg's shirt says it all for me.
When I saw that shirt, I knew instantly what he's doing....trying to save his a$$....that symbol says it all.
@justinetime6346 , I agree there's no coincidence that he just happens to be wearing that symbol...trying to save his a$$.
You don't have to wear a suit to be a pastor stop with the religious spirit
@@allismama They weren't talking about the fact that he wore a shirt. They were talking about the symbols on his shirt. It was covered in FBI-documented symbols.
Locke presented himself arrogant, bullish and rude. Horrible witness to the love of Jesus in my opinion.
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It was as if greg in the beginning was fair. But it seems as if a spirit entered in an he became smh other than kind, loving, brotherly. This was just sad.
That's what I was thinking to.
He had a wonderful intro......then his defense was crude, rude and disrespectful
@@angieadams1902 his whole personality changed. It was shocking to see. But people need to judge for themselves. Pastor Dean speaks against Torah so he's got growing to do as well. 💚
Clearly dark spirits entered that room. And Locke should have studied the original languages before ever considering a debate.
I could clearly see Greg was agitated from the beginning and discerned his spirit was not at ease. His words were not matching his restlessness. Maybe he saw just how prepared Dean came with his power point presentation and it put him on edge
This video won't age well for Mr Greg Locke...However, blessings to both of these brothers. I'm certainly a flat earther. I've been on earth all my life and as I've traveled I've never saw a curvature of the Earth=Heart. Also if governments been lying to me all my life, why would i believe them about anything. Every child knows the Earths FLAT because its what they see, we on the other hand believe man tht has never been outside of this dome.
I never thought for a second i would believe the earth was flat but Genesis 1:6-8 changed my mind.. Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And YaHuWaH made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
This was a short interaction and yet he could not handle it. Somebody's got a fragile ego :D and the way he tried so hard to pump himself up with all these little performances, quoting the Bible really fast and giving himself props for even standing up to the debate and 'giving a platform', covertly asking for recognition, claps and validation. In the end he could not give his opponent the time to finish his rebuttal because he knew he'd lose. So sad. He chose to keep his deception and a full church of deceived people and sacrifice the truth for the sake of living, what every sinner does.
”By this all people will know that you are My disciples: if you have love for one another.”
John 13:35 NASB2020
We all miss it from time to time but this was tough to watch.
That was painful to watch. That was an absolutely EXCRUCIATING example of control by Pastor Locke. Everything he said that would NOT HAPPEN, he did to Dean. It’s almost like he planned on attacking him from the very beginning. I know you know the Fruits of the Spirit, Greg. Gross behavior.
They are but mere men we cannot expect anyone to not sin
Because all fall short of the glory
The devil is out to kill, steal and destroy. He snuck his toe in the door, then his foot in the door, and that’s exactly what happens. We all fall prey to being human and not showing compassion or following through with our good intentions. They are just mere men
The Bible tells us that no one will be perfect until he that is perfect which is Jesus has come 🙏🏼❤️
Mere men? Locke serves another master, that is Lucifer. Masonic gestures and occult symbolism don't lie.
So true, every flat earther at one point believed what these globe heads still believe. Flat earthers know more about the heliocentric globe earth than globe believers do. Because we’ve done the research and now know the truth
THE TRUTH SAVED ME,AND HIS NAME IS JESUS.
What a shame. This could have been so much better. The angry pastor lost me from the get go. It felt like he was creating a show, and wanted to be the star. Too bad
Abba Yah doesn't want this. He will reveal truth to who he wants to reveal truth to. The enemy was having a field day with this. 😢
I know. I watch regularly and was disappointed that he would even agree to waste time on this subject which not relevant in any way to our salvation. Embarrassed himself. I wish he had read Titus 3 before this.
You think the truth of God's creation is unimportant to God? Why y'all so self-centered? Literally.