I've been constantly projecting images around me ever since I can remember. It's very much like I have 2 sets of vision, and I can always tell which one is real. The projecting is quite subconscious, I usually don't realize I'm doing it unless I pay attention, then I'll "see" all the weird objects around me. The strange part is I don't have control over it. If I decide to picture something in my room, it'll be there for a few hours at least. I thought this was completely normal and everyone did it. But I just googled it and I could barely find anything, this video is the closest I've found that describes my experience.
Thank you for sharing! So wild to read about your experiences. And I'm happy to hear that what I've created here is close to what you see. I've worked hard at describing the difference between mind's eye visualization and projected visualization.
My son is 9, and a few years ago he told me about his "super power" where he could see anything he thought about as if it was right in front of him, but transparent. I have spent a lot of time and effort looking into it, but didnt know where to begin or who to ask. Some people suggested that he was hallucinating, but I know that's not the case. He can control it and it doesnt hinder him in life in any way. If anything, it just helps him. He is very creative and intelligent. I finally came across your videos this morning after having looked deeply into different types of synesthesia and not finding anything that fit, which lead me to aphantasia/hyperphantasia research, where I eventually found your description of prophantasia and this is my son's "super power", 100%. He also can do it with music, it plays quietly like background noise when he projects it. I would love to hear from you because up until today, I never found anyone else who was even familiar with the phenomenon. If this finds you, please reach out to me.😊
Hey Nicole! WOW! Thanks for sharing! Yeah that's awesome! I've worked super hard to describe all of these differences and nuances between these types of visual imagination, and it's thrilling to hear that my description here fits your sons experience. Quite the ability he has there! It sounds like you're choosing to foster and celebrate his skill rather than get concerned, and that's awesome.
Also, I'm curious, what were you searching for in google when you were looking for info? Like what phrasing did you use? I'm sure there's others out there looking for info that I'm not quite getting in front of because my phrasing may be off
@@GORCDC I started looking at synesthesia because I saw it on TikTok and when that didnt give me any results, I googled "things similar to synesthesia" which led me to keywords aphantasia and hyperphantasia in RUclips videos. I started looking at then your videos finally showed up in related. It was a journey. Lol I made a post on facebook about it and I'm delighted at how many people are interested in learning more and find themselves on the spectrum. I have sent several people your way who want to know more. My son was so happy to have a name to put to it. I think it made him feel more validated. That's when I learned he can do it with music too.
@@GORCDC this might sound like a strange request, but can I email you or something? I would very much like to delve into some of my own theories about the subject with you.
Damn, I thought people could just naturally do this, huh. What’s the deal with this? Superimposition, making walls melt, disassembling a car while it was driving, looking at myself from a different person’s perspective, that’s pretty awesome!!
@@GORCDC I really wish there was more research into these forms of Disney’s phantasia, a friend of mine has aphantasia and it is super fascinating cross referencing cool perspectives with him! Are there any groups that do studies on this stuff?
How vividly are you LITERALLY able to see, say, walls melting? I’m able to envision it INSIDE my mind, vividly enough that I can “see” where the wall goop plops down on the rug. But I don’t call that imposition/prophantasia bc my eyes are still looking at only the literal wall - my brain just stopped “seeing” the wall, like I diverted resources away from the literal reality, going into sort of a trance state. But based on your comment: are you able to LITERALLY SEE the wall melting? With your actual eyeballs If so, does it take the place of the normal wall, or are you just seeing them both simultaneously somehow? Or, is it more like on a hallucinogenic, where the wall is undulating and “melting” but doesn’t actually “go” anywhere? (For contrast: in my mind’s eye example, I’m “seeing” the wall literally melt off of the wooden beams, while looking at but no longer seeing the perfectly normal wall)
For some reason I can't stop percieve myself from different angles in combination with 1st person view It's always with me. And yeah everything you described - I assumed everyone could do that. And here in this video it's discussed like it's something abnormal
It was hard to show people my art drafts because I’d instantly see what the end product is and when rearranging a room/decorating i would explain it whilst seeing that completed room. It’s good to see studies and acknowledgement about this.
Wow this… is a mind blowing moment for me, also an artist, who can get frustrated when people don’t “see” where I’m going with a project/don’t like the early draft/don’t get what I’m going for. I never considered that my own “seeing” of it may be altered/enhanced!
i see it in my visual eyes and mind eyes, but i dont get the visual snow, its clear and i can make anything appear, i can even make it move in front of me, obviously its not there but i can look at my room and “see” people walking thru my door and talking to me, i see it without it being there. i really cant describe this. i imagine things in my head as if youre in a vivid dream. i also can create tastes, textures and scents. if i think of a banana, i can taste and smell it. i have synesthesia and an incredible memory i believe because of this. my first memory is at 10 months old because i have the visualization in my head in great detail, almost like a movie
I just discovered I had it, I only found out by going "Huh what if I did this" and bam! I could see a figure in my visual field. I was visualizing a line element and I noticed I could see its shape. Your description of what it looks like is exact! What's astonishing to me is that it is repeatable, I feel like a kid again discovering some new phenomenon. I can visualize tetrahedra, dodecahedra, rotate them, etc. Somehow, the imagination part of the brain is competing for processing power with the visual processing part of the brain. They must share resources, so it's not impossible. I just never thought it was possible until I tried
OK YOU BLEW MY MIND WHHHAAAAAT ive always been good at prophantasia and i tried explaining to a spiritualist that i could meditate with my eyes open easily and project and she looked at me confused and told me to close my eyes itll be easier , omg thankyou so much for breaking this down no wonder noone understands what im going on about
Once I was asleep and I had direct access to my brain and everything was more colourful and vivid. It was like watching something in 4080p instead of 1080p but then I moved the imagery around in my mind and I freaked out which woke me up.
I’ve been able to do that since I was little, it’s not extremely vivid like some people but I can decorate my house before I buy a thing from Amazon 😆. I have a hard time projecting images when I close my eyes though, I basically have to day dream on purpose. It has helped tremendously with grad school because visual representation is awesome and easy to remember.
From your description it's tricky. Are you thinking of what the room would look like with extra decorations, or do you physically hallucinate the item you're considering?
@@GORCDC That’s a great question. I can look at my empty mantle and picture items on it. It’s not like it’s completely real or tangible looking but maybe I would say it’s more like a ghostly version of the object if that makes sense. I’ve never had to explain it before😂😂
@@GORCDC yeah basically, I would kind of consider it like a 3-d projection, the kids were playing Halo and I saw Cortana which is kind of the vibe I get too, 😂. Maybe that will help someone else who reads this, either way, y’all have a good one.
I think I have some form of (pro)phantasia, when I close my eyes I can still see the room as a echolocation white and black. When stuff moves I still have a sense of where they are. I have an extra overlay over the real world as well, you can compare it to white noise from when an old tv doesnt have reception. Black and white dots only those black and white dots are millions of images morphing together. When it's light it's barely visible when it's dark it comes more to the foreground. Stress and anxienty enhances these sentences but in a bad way, first time I experienced a what I call a "hallucination attack" it was so intense I felt scared about it for the rest of the amount every day the scaredness calming down slowely. Have had this twice now but second time felt much less scary maybe because I knew what to expect. When that happens my hear starts reasing as well, and I am being paralysed. It seems impossible to move but I actually can still move. Sometimes when I focus on stuff like an apple I can see this in front of me but the apple changes form and color. Also especially when I watched movies a lot I can visualize scenes when listen to the soundtrack from that specific scene. I am a audiophile with movies I watched multiple times I can recognize from what scene something is purely by audio.
I just did an experiment with holographic visualization and I imagined something in front of me, like a piece of wood and the wood did literally block my vision of what was behind it. When I do it it's super easy though. It takes almost no effort. What's weird is if I try to make it more real it kind of hurts my head because it's already real enough. I have a block to purposely keep my imagination from being real. That would drive you crazy. But if I want to look at my wall and change it from brick to drywall to leaves I can change the wall in a split second and it mostly looks like a semi transparent image unless I chose to make it more solid, but that is a choice. I can also do it in my minds eye. Picturing things in reality is mostly for organizing or imagining the scale of things or imaging how something can change etc.
@@GORCDC Sure. What do you want me to do? I can't believe it has take so long for us all to figure out that we think so differently! I'll gladly be experimented on!
@@nickjunes haha, totally appreciate your willingness. I was only being a bit snarky, as I don't have any studies in the works yet. But I keep a short list! Feel free to email me to keep in touch! Email: hello@gorcdc.com
I just came to think about a related, but different phenomenon. When I listen closely to speech in a weak language I often see a transcription flickering across my inner eye - like subtitles, but I see them normally upwards in front of me, not for instance in the 'back of my head'. However the apple on the table in my previous comment is definitely placed somewhere in real space, while the subtitles just are placed in a certain direction. After many years playing and writing music I also often see notes when I listen closely to music, and those notes are placed in exactly the same direction as the subtitles - not on for instance on a wall in real space (unless I choose to put them there).
@@GORCDC The apple on the table is definitely seen - somewhere between 5 and 6 on the 'six star test'. When I say it has a a location it is because I can look to other parts of the physical world and the apple stays where I put it - on the table. Not so with the flickering letters and notes: I CAN force myself to imagining them behind my head, but the natural position for those images is ahead and slightly upwards from my eyes. And that's also where I see them when I close my eyes. If I tried to put them in an area of my physical visual field where there are many details already they would drown in the confusion. I would also prefer to imagine an apple on an empty table rather than on a box full of pears - it might lose out in the competition.
I’ve started drawing them , usually it’s a combination of real life of visions intertwined. But I love to know more on the subject. I’ve only just found out what aphantasia was yesterday!
This makes perfect sense. I can experienced prophantasia for a moment with my eyes closed but it’s extremely brief (l’ve experienced more advanced forms of prophantasia but not without cheating lol). I feel like I experience hyperphantasia when I’m daydreaming. For example, while driving (dangerous I know) I might blank out and start making up some scenario in my mind and become so focused on it I forget what I’m doing. While in that state of mind my visual imagination becomes more vivid than my physical sight but I’m obviously still seeing what I’m looking at because I’m reacting to my visual stimuli. Under normal conditions, the visuals in my mind’s eye are grayish and blurry especially when I try to visualize something on purpose. The only thing that find hard to comprehend is how someone with normal physical sight can completely lack a visual imagination. That’s like mental blindness. Another thing I find interesting is that some people lack an inner monologue which to me sounds like mental deafness. I wonder what it’s like to have no inner monologue and aphantasia. Must be peaceful lol
Hey hey! Yep, I can relate to what you've mentioned here. And yeah, it's quite fascinating that people experience a complete lack of visual thought. Though, I've found that many people do indeed experience a measure of visual thought, but their conscious mind has a hard time processing / recognizing it.
Ughhh I want this so badly, Aphantasia sucks man. Ive only just found your channel and it's so cool ,it's awesome seeing someone that's so devoted to helping . Not tryna sound like a simp but I hope your work gets the recognition it deserves and that I can learn to drop this crap
Thanks so much for the kind words =^.^= At this point it seems that if people practice the correct things, they'll make progress. So be encouraged! There's hope!
I definitely have decent while mostly low functioning (remembering images with my eyes open or in thought) phantasia. I don't have prophantasia and I wouldn't say I have hyperphantasia. When I close my eyes and look in my blank/dark visual field, I see spontaneous movement with occasional colors and outlines. It has always been difficult for me to manipulate my dreams and visual thoughts ever since I was a kid. I would daydream cartoons, but I think that was more phantasia/perhaps hyperphantasia as it would be more in my head than like a layer over my vision. I also just found out that my best friend has aphantasia, too, and now everything makes sense for her.
Omg! This is what it's like for me!! Ill end up spacing out imagining things with my eyes open and i end up i think my eyes might go crossed or something because i snap back into reality and i sometimes cant remember where my mind went but i can see full scenes and sometimes real life scenarios right infront of me like a projection
What's really interesting for me is that since all of the things I imagine in my mind's eye are in 3d (don't know if that's common or not), I can move the location of those 3d objects to no longer be behind my line of vision but to be somewhere in the real world. I don't think it's quite the same as imagining the real world in my minds eye and then placing the object in that. Everything I imagine has a location, it just defaults to behind my plane of vision, usually inside my physical head but it could be anywhere including places I can and can't see but it's always relative to my own position (I can't imagine something in a coffee shop unless I am there or imagine the rest of the coffee shop here). But it's still not actual prophantasia because I'm never really seeing it, it's not even multiple layers like if you have one eye seeing a different thing than another. It's just not the same as real seeing even though it's perfectly imagined and I can manipulate it and change it or whatever I want, other than it really being there. If I close my eyes, I see black plus some other somewhat random colors. If I concentrate really hard, I can get it to form a kind of a line in the noise and it is a completely different experience to imagining something which is exactly like that start of prophantasia that you described except that a triangle is way too complex, I can really only do lines that cross my entire vision and maybe a spot in the middle.
I totally get what you mean! Definitely another slight nuance to all of these abilities, and what you're mentioning here may require it's own classification at some point.
so basically i can make my hand look like chrome if i could project images through my mind? wow i didn’t know that it was this intense for some people. I’m definitely missing out!
@@GORCDC is it similar in vividness to hypnogogic hallucination??? their where times where I was in that half wake half sleep state where you get hypnogogic hallucinations and there were a few times I was able to get the hypnogogic visuals to mimic what I was thinking with my minds eye. it was like I was actually seeing what i was thinking but its really hard to do. most of the time hypnogogic visuals are random and don't really coincide with what you are actually thinking but sometimes they do if you can focus hard enough.
i have aphantasia unfortunately but a couple days ago i was just trying to sleep then i saw something!! it was really blurry but you could tell what it was and i saw colors too. i was so excited about it so i only saw it for like a few seconds then it went away. but man it was the best thing ever. visualization is such a gift. btw does this mean if i practice i can start to 'see' things?
Well that's neat! This may have been more of a hypnagogic image? Just keep in mind, that most people's mind's eye visualizations are not quite like that experience. And yes, I'm forever the optimist and believe if you practice, you could make progress.
I can imagine an apple on a table, and it will be as realistic as a real apple - but it will never replace the table behind the image. If I move my eyes the apple will still be 'on' the table, so it's clearly localized in real space (I can use this when I make drawings by imagining them with different kinds of alterations without having to put a pen to the paper yet). But when I then close my eyes the real world disappears and is replaced by a memory about it, and in that mental image the apple is fully integrated in the background - it doesn't represent a separate layer put on top of reality. And that's why the notion of prophantasia is useful. I have clearly hyperphantasia since my apple looks like an apple, though it doesn't replace the real world behind the image. But the virtual image is localized (when my eyes are open) to so I according to the definitions I apparently also have prophantasia.
Great describing these things. Now, we wouldn't consider it prophantasia unless it was physically perceived to an extent, as if a hologram. Turns out a mental image may also have a perceived attribute as being tied to physical space, too, even though the image is only perceived in the mind. Prophantasia all comes down to whether the image is physically seen or not.
@@GORCDC The notion of "physically seen" is not clear to me. I can imagine the apple, and I can also imagine that I turn it or touch it or smell it - but it just never supersedes the background. It is always something I put on top of the reality. And if I close my eyes the reality disappears, leaving only my imagined counterpart. If it has to supersede the reality then I would see it as a hallucination, although maybe (partly) under conscious control.
I've watched a ton of your videos and I am very curious if you might have some insights for me. Through my own journey I've found a lot of the same tips/keys which you discuss such as finding and learning the altered state's feeling and using that feeling to reproduce the state that enables visualizations, but I haven't been able to make any real progress yet since I hit a roadblock right after. I'm a full congenital aphantasiac (unable to recreate or alter any sense or sensation in the mind since birth) and I've spent about five years now practicing and experimenting with trying to develop my "mind's sight" - and by that I mean I've been trying almost daily to develop the start of everything from hypnagogia to internal visualization to projection to imagination itself. In addition to aphantasia I also have SDAM, which means I cannot even recall my past experiences from memory to be experienced again - I only semantically "know" that I've done or experienced something in the past and I can't relive it to any degree. I can't bring to mind my spouse's appearance from memory if I'm not looking at them, not even to describe it in words, but I never have trouble recognizing people because appearances are remembered like flavors are remembered for me - I can't describe what a strawberry tastes like besides "sweet and fragrant and wet" and I can't taste strawberries in my mind whenever I want, but I always remember what strawberry tastes like when I'm tasting it. I'm also neurodivergent/autistic and don't have a functional non-visual imagination either - I've never played pretend or had an imaginary friend or been able to come up with details about a hypothetical scenario or even create a hypothetical or fantasy narrative when prompted to, my mind just goes and remains blank when I try. I've also tried several "image streaming" techniques but I haven't been able to induce any image/shape/light or "visual sensation" to my internal mind's eye (black screen) or to my closed eye vision or to my open-eye visual field. I didn't dream at all for the first 33 years of my life until I participated in a psychedelics study hoping it would jump-start my ability to visualize, but despite more than ten doses I never experienced any hallucinations or visual effects or euphoria, however, I've vividly dreamed every night since that study over two years ago. Where I got stuck: During my final psychedelics study's trip I managed to "locate" my mind's eye - I was able to turn my attention to it for the first time ever! Nothing was displayed there, but I learned the "feeling" of the state of mind or altered state of consciousness where I can perceive my mind's eye, and since then I've learned to access/reproduce that feeling at will which in turn shifts my attention away from my visual field and to my mind's eye whenever I try. The problem: I can't hold my focus onto my mind's eye for more than 1/4sec at a time. It's not long enough to really do or perceive anything there and I haven't yet figured out how to keep my attention there for longer than a split second. When I reproduce the feeling again after my perception of my mind's eye slips away it just goes back to a blank black mind's eye screen. I've tried everything from meditation to drugs to hypnosis to binaural beats to retinal pulsed light stimulation, etc, to extend the time I can look at my mind's eye or to increase the level of detail I can perceive there. It's taken more than 5 years but I can now visualize a blank white or solid light-color background or a single projected light-colored line to my mind's eye for 1/4sec at a time. I feel like I could really begin to develop my mind's sight and at least partially cure my aphantasia if I could find a way to stare at my mind's eye for however long I want to. Any tips?
Hey there, 5 months late here but here I am! The fact that you've "located" your mind's eye is a great step. Let me ask you, what exactly happens when you're doing that white / solid color thing? In your best words, what do you experience?
@@GORCDC Thank you for replying! When I successfully visualize it's a mix of: allowing my eyes to defocus, turning my mind's attention away from my eyes' vision and to that "space" in my mind that I found while on DMT, and focusing on the idea of what I want to visualize with an intent to "see" it. Right after the first element of the idea is added to the "space" my attention is pulled away from my mind's eye and back to my eyes' vision whether or not my eyes are closed and no matter how hard I try to keep my attention on the visualization. So in the case of a solid color as soon as I pick what color I want I'll then "see" it for a split second and then my attention is forcefully redirected to my eyes. I can turn attention back but the "space" is blank again. I've tried to draw things to that space but I can only ever make the first "mark" before it's pulled away again. I tried doing a continuous line like a swirl but as soon as it gets more complex than a very short segment the same thing happens. I can't draw a letter or a number before being pulled away. My only theory so far is that when I go to "look" at what has just appeared in my visualization I am unintentionally moving my eyes, like out of habit or reflex, and that eye movement is forcing my attention away from my mind's eye's "space".
So one day I was randomly dozing off in a class a couple of years ago and this eye ball in the static popped out at me and now anytime I look if I want to see said eyeball I just think about it and I see it in my physical vison thought I was going crazy or something at first loll
Your work is incredible! Thank you so much! I started researching for my self since I had some profound accidental experiences lately without practicing. Keep on going and have a look into the work of mark komissarow, and the Indonesian merpati putih system, MP USA has quite some videos here on RUclips. Children learn this ability in notime! I remember doing it when I was a child, but it got lost during the distracting experience called life.
i heard abt aphantasia like 2 days ago and now after watching this video i'm confused if i have aphantasia or prophantasia it's a really subjective topic bc we can't see the world like anyone else do. these make me think we won't understand this completely but i hope we can also for me i imagine things but see darkness if it makes sense
Yeah that makes sense! If you can think of what something looks like, that would be the mind's eye. But if it remains black in front of your closed eyes, then you lack prophantasia
@@GORCDC That clears it! Thank you so much, I thought everyone had Prophantasia and I'm the only one that can't project images into my eyes, while I could imagine what things look like but couldn't really see them, there is really a lot of confusion on the web about it, especially on reddit. (I thought I had Aphantasia)
Wow. Thank you so much for answering big questions for me!!!! I think I have Aphantasia? I'm hoping to visualize someday still. I thought people counting sheep was just an expression and I honestly don't have an image of my loved ones, or anyone in my head. I remember parts of what they look like and piece the idea of them together.
If I am correct with my assumptions this sounds like when you’ve possibly been in a hypnogic state of half sleep half wake and your transitioning over to dream and any slight thought of something specific brings you directly into that scene as if you were really there except people are doing this in a more awakened state. Very interesting sounds awesome. Also would be of great help for manifesting ! You my friend have sparked a nother flame on me. I’ve learnt telekinesis which is a good ability to see for your self how powerful you are but this right here…. It actually can have some real world applicable use in terms of manifesting !
It can! Though, I'd suggest an even more applicable skill to manifesting is the ability to generate emotion on command. Since emotion seems to be the "secret sauce" to goal setting and "manifesting".
Hey, I have a question since some things aren't clear to me so much. So someone with Hyperphantasia don't actually see anything as in real life, but just thinks about how something will look like. While an Aphant wouldn't know/remember how something will even look like. I'm confused, because while I can construct in my mind let's say an inner room and start inserting furniture in that space I can't actually see it, I can also imagine a coordinate system, draw a line with certain degree, and if it lands on X=21, I know where it will land on Y, just by imagining at where the line goes visually, but again, I don't actually see the graph infronnt of me. I can also 'listen' to long sequences of songs in my imagination, but I'm not actually hearing them. In your representation at 6:00 you present a cat in the mind's eye, and blur on the sides, while you're saying the color is getting blurred around the edges. It looks to me what you said to be prophantasia. Because if I imagine a cat now, all I imagine is a Gray Siamese cat, but only his face and he looks forward, he doesn't move uncontrollably and there's no background, like what you presented. I can add detail, move it, rotate it, but unrelated details never come in unless I choose to insert it, so when people imagine things they see blur around the edges? doesn't that mean that they 'actually see' a picture. I would be glad if you can elaborate that topic :D. I also was playing with after-images as an attempt to develop my mind's eye (which I thought is actually seeing things, like what you describe in Prophantasia). I sometime barely see phosphenes and buzzing due to that exercise. Is that what's called really low on the spectrum of Prophantasia?
First, some aphants do have access to visual memory, but yet lack the conscious experience of using their mind's eye. So it gets tricky to clarify when we use words like "know/remember", because it's not quite clear enough how the person is doing the knowing / remembering. But yeah, visual memory can exist outside of the conscious experience of visual imagery. So if you have any conscious access to the visual qualities of a thing, instead of just descriptors and words, then you very well may be experiencing a measure of mind's eye activity. But it's hard to tell based on your description. And yes, most people don't actually see a picture, it seems, they only think of what the picture looks like to varying degrees of detail. Lastly, what you describe at the end there absolutely sounds like low-level prophantasia =^.^=
@@GORCDC That's what I initially thought, that it happens, but I just don't have direct access to it. Thank you so much about your explanations. I also sent a chat message to you on reddit, my name is 'Curiousiticiously'. I started being active on Aphantasia subreddit after commenting here on RUclips, to get more sense out of the situation. Hope you read it, and tell me what you think about the idea.
@@GORCDC Thank you, I think the whole subject is wider than what it seems, that's what it looks like to me, but I'm not the one to confirm it. I wonder what's fundamentally different in experience other than imagination capabilities.
Wow ive done this a few times only when very relaxed and I see my cat 🐈⬛ I just thought it was a pre-dream lol . Can people really learn to do this at will? I totally want to try, that’d be awesome
@@GORCDC I’ve seen your website and while I cannot afford your prices now, I’d like to budget for a few sessions in the future. How many meetings would it take for people to experience a breakthrough or begin seeing results on average, would you say?
So, if you can see a triangle in your mind, that's Phantasia? But if you can imagine a triangle on a wall, it's now called Prophantasia? So, wouldn't the largest % of people with any of these levels from aphan to hyper be the "norm" and those lacking, have a "disorder"? Also, I can't find anything on the levels? of hyperphantasia. I can create scenes where I interact with people, who would give me a range of possible responses based on what how I feel they could react. It's not just a movie scene. There can be feeling touch and smell, as well as overall emotional feeling. Exactly like it happened. I'm very aware of the difference. Like it's in a separate "file folder" than in person vision. Kinda like imagining chess moves, except with voice inflection and tones, almost like you can feel you're actually there, describing the "scene". I say scene, because I can't see everything. Just what's in the context of my focus. It's 100% controllable, also. Which, is hopefully why I'm not all the way crazy. Lol!
It's okay to be a bit crazy! =^.^= So if someone is only imagining a triangle on the wall, but don't physically see it, then that's just regular mind's eye Activity. As soon as what one is imagining begins to translate into what they're physically seeing, we term it "prophantasia". So these types won't only think of the triangle on the wall, but will physically see it there, occupying physical space.
I still don't fully get the difference, always viewed them as one and the same, but if some people only have one of them understanding the difference could be useful XD Is mind's eye view kind of like when you look at stuff but don't see it? So for example if i glance over a table while thinking of something else, i can see it, seemingly in detail, but I don't like observe it. It's as if I think that I see the table, but don't actually SEE it. I can see the whole picture and how it fits together but not actually the details (omg communication is so difficuly when trying to describe subjective thought). On the other hand, prophantasia would be like me staring at the table while focusing (also can't SEE the whole table, only a small fragment, but that could be related to adhd). Does that sound about right?
Mind's eye is best described as the feeling, or sensation, of seeing without ever actually seeing. Prophantasia, though, would be physically seeing something akin to a hologram. Your description of experience the table without seeing it sounds like mind's eye.
I think people who say they see things exactly the same way in their mind as seeing it in reality are full of it. There is a physical/mechanical component to an eye that makes that possible. The brain can't just conjure that up. Seeing without actually seeing is more of an accurate statement.
@@GORCDC thank you for the answer! Quick question; I’ve actually tried manipulating the static with my eyes closed in a dark room before, but had an extremely hard time of it. I managed to occasionally see bits of color or light, but never static (though at one point when leaving a room I saw a bit of static, but only once, and it could’ve just been me). Any tips as to how to better see the static?
i experienced this before everything thing kinda shrunk and was in front of it was col but i could only see smal blurry green dots on black. because I have aphantasia
Hello, do you know if the cognitive function stack by Jung is influenced by this? Im an INFP and can imagine everything inside my head, and can even walk trough these remembered worlds. But i cannot project it outwards. Maybe extraverted functions Will allow this more?
From 'practice' I can see a very very faint visual change when I try to project items, but its still quite bad for me. By contrast if I were to imagine my cat I could call to mind a specific picture of my cat in my room and various details and etc. However in all cases my imagination is not very "solid" or permanent. Even if I can see a faint staticky image of a triangle on the wall it will float around, or twist out of shape. In my mind's eye things will appear and disappear and move at their own will. Any face I try to imagine will melt or distort itself. Idk what that means but it could be my ADHD 😭
Okay, is it possible to have both the field of vision and the minds eye. Cuz I never realised I have been doing this from childhood. Especially when I go out for shopping dress, I see myself wearing the dress, even before buying it, with the same field of vision and if I close my eyes it changes to my mind vision. Even falling asleep my mind need it's own imaginary story telling to fall asleep 🥲😂. My most favourite is seeing myself in space 🚀 😂
I’ve always thought this was so normal, and everyone did this on the daily and naturally just projected things all the time and lived in their imagination. Finally have a word to describe my weird imagination as 😂
I have pondered about your videos. Not that I want to find a fault. But something felt not alright. And then I got it. The mind is not the brain or the intellect. The mind is a fusion of feelings (heart) and thoughts. Therefore when we imagine something in the minds-eye we cannot locate the minds-eye. The minds eye is not somewhere in the head. It is a part of our whole being. We need not to close our eyes to see things. But when we „see“ things than all our senses, feelings, memories, consciousness and subconciousness are included. So my whole being is involved in this process.
These are some great thoughts! Yes! I totally agree. Though, for the sake of simplifying the concepts so that the widest audience can relate, I've boiled the mind's eye down to being "in the head". This is because when we think of "where" thoughts "feel" like they're originating from, it's clear that it's not our feet, and most people report that it feels that thoughts come from around the head. So that's why I've landed on the best common language I can come up with for now, that the mind's eye is experienced "in the head". Though, more accurately, it could be experienced more as a field around a person, as well
@@GORCDC Thank you for your reply. I agree with your idea of making it more simple. The best of your explanation is that one does not see the things in front of your eyes. This is what I always thought when people asked an audience to close the eyes and imagine something. I thought they wanted us to see the stuff in front of our physical eyes. Thank you for setting up all your videos. Give some stuff to ponder over.
It helps for me to phantasie all senses. A yidam practice I do has a long phase of imagine your self at a specific place. When I start to hear the place, feel it on the skin and so on, my actual vision can get superimposed by my mental image. But not that clearly. Can one train that?
If you don't physically see any change, then you're only experiencing mind's eye. If your field of view changes (even very slightly), then that would be prophantasia.
Well, visual snow according to the medical community is the stimulation of the receptor cells within our eyes. I do believe there could be some different, more metaphysical explanations, but that's a different conversation =^.^=
What if a person can see actual imagery onto their closed eyelids? Not just an object but a full fledged scenario playing out like a film, and even imagining/feeling all 5 senses during it. Is that hyperphantasia or prophantasia?
It depends, does this person feel like they are sort of detached from their physical senses? In essence, they are transported to their mind-space? If so, that would imply that this is an extreme version of hyperphantasia. But the experience itself would be as if hyperphantasia and prophantasia mixed into one.
@@GORCDC Well it was actually me, I only experienced it a few times. It was really enchanting experiences. I did feel detached from everything while having each experience. I imagine things pretty will but don't usually see much when I close my eyes. When I close my eyes I just see passing colors, or imagery but it looks as if I am wearing pretty tinted sunglasses, but I'm seeing it right on my eyelids. I was just curious if prophantasia actually ever see a full scenario or just see simple things. Is both being mixed together possible?
I think most people can do holographic image projection. How else would you look at a room and imagine what it looks like with different furniture or rearrange the current furniture without actually doing it. It's very common to assume people can do this so it must be very common. I wonder though.
From our initial surveys, interviews, and studies, it appears that most visualizers are not able to do holographic projection. Instead, most visualizers can recreate a scene in their mind, then place objects into it. But this does not alter their actual physical visual field whatsoever.
@@GORCDC You know all those home decor shows where the decorator says "imagine this!" and they start pointing to corners of the room and describing how it will look to other people? If it weren't common then all these people would seem crazy right? How is this behavior so common if other people can't picture what they are describing? I'm not saying you're wrong. I just don't get how this would work.
OK, I Close my eye and I can't see any image, nor a sent in my mind, nor music in my mind. however, I can project a very weak transparent image in my field of view with my eyes open. So this looks like prophantasia while i also have aphantasia.
As someone with aphantasia I can still not understand how seeing in your mind's eye might be but prophantsia makes more sense? I can see the black and I can try (and fail) to create an image there so is this the way to go? First try to imagine in the black, then in the mind? I'm also wondering if people are seeing things in their minds, isn't that dangerous???? I now see everyone as dangerous, especially when driving. It's crazy to me that people go around seeing things other than what they see with their eyes :D
There typically is a disconnect, it seems, from the mental senses and the physical senses. So when driving, most people will not get so distracted by their mental senses that their physical sight completely stops taking in the road ahead... Though this can happen to people on the extreme end of the spectrum
I'm sorry, but how exactly are you "try to create an image there" if you claim to have aphantasia? It doesn't makes sense, if you're trying to project an image from your mind, it means your mind has access to this image in the firstplace, hence you "see" it in your mind in the firsplace?
@@dushas9871 well... I don't see an image anywere so I have no idea if to do this you need to create one somewhere else first or not. People who can do this might know if they can just project it as a screen in the black without having to "move it". To me, it makes sense to think that to start seeing anything, having the black "canvas" as the place to put these images on might be easier.
@@dushas9871 also I think we have access to these images but just can't see them. It's there but the mind/brain won't give it to us as an image but as words/concepts. So my loic is that if the info is there and we have access to it, we might be able to project it as an image. Learning how to do this. Maybe in the future is possible. Maybe there are techniques we're not aware of yet. Maybe some can and others can't depending if we have it since birth or not. Maybe no one can one you get aphantasia.
great visualization and great content. i have 100% afantasia (atm) and i 'm on the autistic spectrum. I just can't imagine that I'll ever be able "to do" phantasia or propantasia. But it's really helpful to know what's possible and to understand other people. Is it possible that having 100% aphantasia is actually autism and what I understand as 100% aphantasia is actually the inability to prophantasia. Greetings from Germany
@@GORCDC I can make shapes appear on my environment as if it were AR, yes. Is it like a hologram? Not so much... It's not usually 3D. It's 2D usually. Although, I suspect that if I had practiced this more as a kid, it's possible to have made 3D ones. Your description of how it is is really accurate to my experience. I'm also hyperphantastic. I have an informal diagnosis of Autism and a proper diagnosis of ADHD.
I'm really good at this. I'm now also developing this geometrical yoga style thing and it really helps me to enhance the hyperphantasia also if you are a Christian and by the way I am. I am getting really close to the Holy spirit and am now using hyperphantasia in my prayer warrior life. And the truth is I could give Stephen king a run for his money on it. I can visualize the demons and smack them in the name of Jesus.. please repent and He will free you. And he will prove to you that he is really God Because folks hell is a very real place. Please think about it.. He loves you so much and no matter how dirty and unclean you feel. He longs for you. He died a horrific death for you. The cross smothers you. I'm not sorry that I'm being forward with you. I love you too and if I didn't love you I wouldn't say anything. I owe Jesus my eternal soul and his Love is pure bliss. Please listen God Loves you more than you can imagine. Yes. You
Very interesting that, like with prophantasia, visual snow may also be present in the onset of schizophrenia. Personally, I think humanity is going to owe a huge, heartfelt apology to people with schizophrenia and psychosis in general; but that’s a story for another day.
I haven't seen any studies linking visual snow to schizophrenia, but I did find one that found some correlation to depression and anxiety: www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fneur.2021.703006/full And I totally agree, we definitely need to revise our definitions and approach to many of these issues within mental health
I think my husband can do this, but I don't understand myself, if someone asks me to imagine a cat or whatever i can "remember" one that I've seen sometime, but I hardly can create a image from the scratch and if i have to draw something its always like a child one unless i see something in real life and copy it as best as i can 😅 when i read its like I understand the term bc i associate it with a physical object that I've seen before like a cell i remember this classic cience book image of one stuff like that, is that how other ppl see things in their minds or is this aphantasia 🫨
I've been constantly projecting images around me ever since I can remember. It's very much like I have 2 sets of vision, and I can always tell which one is real. The projecting is quite subconscious, I usually don't realize I'm doing it unless I pay attention, then I'll "see" all the weird objects around me. The strange part is I don't have control over it. If I decide to picture something in my room, it'll be there for a few hours at least.
I thought this was completely normal and everyone did it. But I just googled it and I could barely find anything, this video is the closest I've found that describes my experience.
Thank you for sharing! So wild to read about your experiences. And I'm happy to hear that what I've created here is close to what you see. I've worked hard at describing the difference between mind's eye visualization and projected visualization.
Nah, i wish i could do this 😅
My son is 9, and a few years ago he told me about his "super power" where he could see anything he thought about as if it was right in front of him, but transparent. I have spent a lot of time and effort looking into it, but didnt know where to begin or who to ask. Some people suggested that he was hallucinating, but I know that's not the case. He can control it and it doesnt hinder him in life in any way. If anything, it just helps him. He is very creative and intelligent. I finally came across your videos this morning after having looked deeply into different types of synesthesia and not finding anything that fit, which lead me to aphantasia/hyperphantasia research, where I eventually found your description of prophantasia and this is my son's "super power", 100%. He also can do it with music, it plays quietly like background noise when he projects it. I would love to hear from you because up until today, I never found anyone else who was even familiar with the phenomenon. If this finds you, please reach out to me.😊
Hey Nicole! WOW! Thanks for sharing! Yeah that's awesome! I've worked super hard to describe all of these differences and nuances between these types of visual imagination, and it's thrilling to hear that my description here fits your sons experience. Quite the ability he has there! It sounds like you're choosing to foster and celebrate his skill rather than get concerned, and that's awesome.
Also, I'm curious, what were you searching for in google when you were looking for info? Like what phrasing did you use? I'm sure there's others out there looking for info that I'm not quite getting in front of because my phrasing may be off
@@GORCDC I started looking at synesthesia because I saw it on TikTok and when that didnt give me any results, I googled "things similar to synesthesia" which led me to keywords aphantasia and hyperphantasia in RUclips videos. I started looking at then your videos finally showed up in related. It was a journey. Lol I made a post on facebook about it and I'm delighted at how many people are interested in learning more and find themselves on the spectrum. I have sent several people your way who want to know more. My son was so happy to have a name to put to it. I think it made him feel more validated. That's when I learned he can do it with music too.
@@GORCDC this might sound like a strange request, but can I email you or something? I would very much like to delve into some of my own theories about the subject with you.
@@braxtonandzanderyatescoolc5814 Yeah of course! All my contact info is on my website: www.aphantasiameow.com
Damn, I thought people could just naturally do this, huh. What’s the deal with this? Superimposition, making walls melt, disassembling a car while it was driving, looking at myself from a different person’s perspective, that’s pretty awesome!!
Yeah and it seems the extreme end of the ability is quite rare
@@GORCDC I really wish there was more research into these forms of Disney’s phantasia, a friend of mine has aphantasia and it is super fascinating cross referencing cool perspectives with him! Are there any groups that do studies on this stuff?
Woow!
How vividly are you LITERALLY able to see, say, walls melting? I’m able to envision it INSIDE my mind, vividly enough that I can “see” where the wall goop plops down on the rug. But I don’t call that imposition/prophantasia bc my eyes are still looking at only the literal wall - my brain just stopped “seeing” the wall, like I diverted resources away from the literal reality, going into sort of a trance state.
But based on your comment: are you able to LITERALLY SEE the wall melting? With your actual eyeballs If so, does it take the place of the normal wall, or are you just seeing them both simultaneously somehow? Or, is it more like on a hallucinogenic, where the wall is undulating and “melting” but doesn’t actually “go” anywhere? (For contrast: in my mind’s eye example, I’m “seeing” the wall literally melt off of the wooden beams, while looking at but no longer seeing the perfectly normal wall)
For some reason I can't stop percieve myself from different angles in combination with 1st person view
It's always with me.
And yeah everything you described - I assumed everyone could do that. And here in this video it's discussed like it's something abnormal
It was hard to show people my art drafts because I’d instantly see what the end product is and when rearranging a room/decorating i would explain it whilst seeing that completed room. It’s good to see studies and acknowledgement about this.
=^.^=
Wow this… is a mind blowing moment for me, also an artist, who can get frustrated when people don’t “see” where I’m going with a project/don’t like the early draft/don’t get what I’m going for. I never considered that my own “seeing” of it may be altered/enhanced!
I was drawing a lot as a child, and one thing I often did was to project something onto the paper and just trace the lines
That's pretty cool!
This is the most articulate video I've ever seen on the nuances of 'visualisation'.
Thanks I try! I've got more to say, too. Just getting back into creating content.
i see it in my visual eyes and mind eyes, but i dont get the visual snow, its clear and i can make anything appear, i can even make it move in front of me, obviously its not there but i can look at my room and “see” people walking thru my door and talking to me, i see it without it being there. i really cant describe this. i imagine things in my head as if youre in a vivid dream. i also can create tastes, textures and scents. if i think of a banana, i can taste and smell it. i have synesthesia and an incredible memory i believe because of this. my first memory is at 10 months old because i have the visualization in my head in great detail, almost like a movie
Thanks for sharing
I just discovered I had it, I only found out by going "Huh what if I did this" and bam! I could see a figure in my visual field. I was visualizing a line element and I noticed I could see its shape. Your description of what it looks like is exact! What's astonishing to me is that it is repeatable, I feel like a kid again discovering some new phenomenon. I can visualize tetrahedra, dodecahedra, rotate them, etc. Somehow, the imagination part of the brain is competing for processing power with the visual processing part of the brain. They must share resources, so it's not impossible. I just never thought it was possible until I tried
Haha, fastest breakthrough story ever. That's epic
OK YOU BLEW MY MIND WHHHAAAAAT ive always been good at prophantasia and i tried explaining to a spiritualist that i could meditate with my eyes open easily and project and she looked at me confused and told me to close my eyes itll be easier , omg thankyou so much for breaking this down no wonder noone understands what im going on about
=D Glad you found the info valuable
Once I was asleep and I had direct access to my brain and everything was more colourful and vivid. It was like watching something in 4080p instead of 1080p but then I moved the imagery around in my mind and I freaked out which woke me up.
Nice! It's reasonable to think that if you were able to reproduce that specific state of mind, you'd be able to visualize like that any time.
I’ve been able to do that since I was little, it’s not extremely vivid like some people but I can decorate my house before I buy a thing from Amazon 😆. I have a hard time projecting images when I close my eyes though, I basically have to day dream on purpose. It has helped tremendously with grad school because visual representation is awesome and easy to remember.
From your description it's tricky. Are you thinking of what the room would look like with extra decorations, or do you physically hallucinate the item you're considering?
@@GORCDC That’s a great question. I can look at my empty mantle and picture items on it. It’s not like it’s completely real or tangible looking but maybe I would say it’s more like a ghostly version of the object if that makes sense. I’ve never had to explain it before😂😂
@@supportmerit Oh okay, so you physically see like a transparent object on the mantle? Wild!
@@GORCDC yeah basically, I would kind of consider it like a 3-d projection, the kids were playing Halo and I saw Cortana which is kind of the vibe I get too, 😂. Maybe that will help someone else who reads this, either way, y’all have a good one.
Everything your working on here needs some serious funding your truly onto something
Some day soon, maybe! Till then I'll keep plowing!
I think I have some form of (pro)phantasia, when I close my eyes I can still see the room as a echolocation white and black. When stuff moves I still have a sense of where they are. I have an extra overlay over the real world as well, you can compare it to white noise from when an old tv doesnt have reception. Black and white dots only those black and white dots are millions of images morphing together. When it's light it's barely visible when it's dark it comes more to the foreground. Stress and anxienty enhances these sentences but in a bad way, first time I experienced a what I call a "hallucination attack" it was so intense I felt scared about it for the rest of the amount every day the scaredness calming down slowely. Have had this twice now but second time felt much less scary maybe because I knew what to expect. When that happens my hear starts reasing as well, and I am being paralysed. It seems impossible to move but I actually can still move.
Sometimes when I focus on stuff like an apple I can see this in front of me but the apple changes form and color.
Also especially when I watched movies a lot I can visualize scenes when listen to the soundtrack from that specific scene. I am a audiophile with movies I watched multiple times I can recognize from what scene something is purely by audio.
I just did an experiment with holographic visualization and I imagined something in front of me, like a piece of wood and the wood did literally block my vision of what was behind it. When I do it it's super easy though. It takes almost no effort. What's weird is if I try to make it more real it kind of hurts my head because it's already real enough. I have a block to purposely keep my imagination from being real. That would drive you crazy. But if I want to look at my wall and change it from brick to drywall to leaves I can change the wall in a split second and it mostly looks like a semi transparent image unless I chose to make it more solid, but that is a choice. I can also do it in my minds eye. Picturing things in reality is mostly for organizing or imagining the scale of things or imaging how something can change etc.
That's cool! Want to be a willing test subject at some point?? =D
@@GORCDC Sure. What do you want me to do? I can't believe it has take so long for us all to figure out that we think so differently! I'll gladly be experimented on!
@@nickjunes haha, totally appreciate your willingness. I was only being a bit snarky, as I don't have any studies in the works yet. But I keep a short list! Feel free to email me to keep in touch!
Email: hello@gorcdc.com
I just came to think about a related, but different phenomenon. When I listen closely to speech in a weak language I often see a transcription flickering across my inner eye - like subtitles, but I see them normally upwards in front of me, not for instance in the 'back of my head'. However the apple on the table in my previous comment is definitely placed somewhere in real space, while the subtitles just are placed in a certain direction. After many years playing and writing music I also often see notes when I listen closely to music, and those notes are placed in exactly the same direction as the subtitles - not on for instance on a wall in real space (unless I choose to put them there).
Hmmm curious. Are they seen in your visual field? Or they're invisible, they just seem to have a "location"?
@@GORCDC The apple on the table is definitely seen - somewhere between 5 and 6 on the 'six star test'. When I say it has a a location it is because I can look to other parts of the physical world and the apple stays where I put it - on the table. Not so with the flickering letters and notes: I CAN force myself to imagining them behind my head, but the natural position for those images is ahead and slightly upwards from my eyes. And that's also where I see them when I close my eyes. If I tried to put them in an area of my physical visual field where there are many details already they would drown in the confusion. I would also prefer to imagine an apple on an empty table rather than on a box full of pears - it might lose out in the competition.
I’ve started drawing them , usually it’s a combination of real life of visions intertwined. But I love to know more on the subject. I’ve only just found out what aphantasia was yesterday!
Great chatting with you!
This makes perfect sense. I can experienced prophantasia for a moment with my eyes closed but it’s extremely brief (l’ve experienced more advanced forms of prophantasia but not without cheating lol). I feel like I experience hyperphantasia when I’m daydreaming. For example, while driving (dangerous I know) I might blank out and start making up some scenario in my mind and become so focused on it I forget what I’m doing. While in that state of mind my visual imagination becomes more vivid than my physical sight but I’m obviously still seeing what I’m looking at because I’m reacting to my visual stimuli. Under normal conditions, the visuals in my mind’s eye are grayish and blurry especially when I try to visualize something on purpose. The only thing that find hard to comprehend is how someone with normal physical sight can completely lack a visual imagination. That’s like mental blindness. Another thing I find interesting is that some people lack an inner monologue which to me sounds like mental deafness. I wonder what it’s like to have no inner monologue and aphantasia. Must be peaceful lol
Hey hey! Yep, I can relate to what you've mentioned here. And yeah, it's quite fascinating that people experience a complete lack of visual thought. Though, I've found that many people do indeed experience a measure of visual thought, but their conscious mind has a hard time processing / recognizing it.
Ughhh I want this so badly, Aphantasia sucks man. Ive only just found your channel and it's so cool ,it's awesome seeing someone that's so devoted to helping . Not tryna sound like a simp but I hope your work gets the recognition it deserves and that I can learn to drop this crap
Thanks so much for the kind words =^.^=
At this point it seems that if people practice the correct things, they'll make progress. So be encouraged! There's hope!
THC weed or any psychedelic makes mental visualization 10 times easier.
Hey Alec, we just talked, and I think this really explains my confusion, this is what I have been training, not my amphantasia! This is crazy!
Markus! Epic! Glad this gave you clarification
Ive always said my thoughts are like a movie playing on the back of my eyelids, and I love to envision in real-time
Seems like a skill that can be practiced
I definitely have decent while mostly low functioning (remembering images with my eyes open or in thought) phantasia. I don't have prophantasia and I wouldn't say I have hyperphantasia. When I close my eyes and look in my blank/dark visual field, I see spontaneous movement with occasional colors and outlines. It has always been difficult for me to manipulate my dreams and visual thoughts ever since I was a kid. I would daydream cartoons, but I think that was more phantasia/perhaps hyperphantasia as it would be more in my head than like a layer over my vision. I also just found out that my best friend has aphantasia, too, and now everything makes sense for her.
Thanks for sharing =^.^=
I'm sure I'll get there at some point. Until then, just gotta keep practicing.
You can do it! =^.^=
how has it been for you?
Omg! This is what it's like for me!! Ill end up spacing out imagining things with my eyes open and i end up i think my eyes might go crossed or something because i snap back into reality and i sometimes cant remember where my mind went but i can see full scenes and sometimes real life scenarios right infront of me like a projection
Nice! Glad it made sense to you
I can imagine things super detailed but it’s like inside the center of my head behind my eyes
Right! That would likely be mind's eye activity.
What's really interesting for me is that since all of the things I imagine in my mind's eye are in 3d (don't know if that's common or not), I can move the location of those 3d objects to no longer be behind my line of vision but to be somewhere in the real world. I don't think it's quite the same as imagining the real world in my minds eye and then placing the object in that. Everything I imagine has a location, it just defaults to behind my plane of vision, usually inside my physical head but it could be anywhere including places I can and can't see but it's always relative to my own position (I can't imagine something in a coffee shop unless I am there or imagine the rest of the coffee shop here). But it's still not actual prophantasia because I'm never really seeing it, it's not even multiple layers like if you have one eye seeing a different thing than another. It's just not the same as real seeing even though it's perfectly imagined and I can manipulate it and change it or whatever I want, other than it really being there. If I close my eyes, I see black plus some other somewhat random colors. If I concentrate really hard, I can get it to form a kind of a line in the noise and it is a completely different experience to imagining something which is exactly like that start of prophantasia that you described except that a triangle is way too complex, I can really only do lines that cross my entire vision and maybe a spot in the middle.
I totally get what you mean! Definitely another slight nuance to all of these abilities, and what you're mentioning here may require it's own classification at some point.
so basically i can make my hand look like chrome if i could project images through my mind? wow i didn’t know that it was this intense for some people. I’m definitely missing out!
Yes, but that level of projection seems to be extremely rare
@@GORCDC :0
Meanwhile im sitting here with aphantasia and can't do even the simplest imaginations (:
@@notspuderman4688 me too
@@GORCDC is it similar in vividness to hypnogogic hallucination??? their where times where I was in that half wake half sleep state where you get hypnogogic hallucinations and there were a few times I was able to get the hypnogogic visuals to mimic what I was thinking with my minds eye. it was like I was actually seeing what i was thinking but its really hard to do. most of the time hypnogogic visuals are random and don't really coincide with what you are actually thinking but sometimes they do if you can focus hard enough.
i have aphantasia unfortunately but a couple days ago i was just trying to sleep then i saw something!! it was really blurry but you could tell what it was and i saw colors too. i was so excited about it so i only saw it for like a few seconds then it went away. but man it was the best thing ever. visualization is such a gift.
btw does this mean if i practice i can start to 'see' things?
Well that's neat! This may have been more of a hypnagogic image? Just keep in mind, that most people's mind's eye visualizations are not quite like that experience. And yes, I'm forever the optimist and believe if you practice, you could make progress.
It's sounds like you've experienced hypnagogic hallucinations
It's not a symptom of serious disease, no worries.
I can imagine an apple on a table, and it will be as realistic as a real apple - but it will never replace the table behind the image. If I move my eyes the apple will still be 'on' the table, so it's clearly localized in real space (I can use this when I make drawings by imagining them with different kinds of alterations without having to put a pen to the paper yet). But when I then close my eyes the real world disappears and is replaced by a memory about it, and in that mental image the apple is fully integrated in the background - it doesn't represent a separate layer put on top of reality. And that's why the notion of prophantasia is useful. I have clearly hyperphantasia since my apple looks like an apple, though it doesn't replace the real world behind the image. But the virtual image is localized (when my eyes are open) to so I according to the definitions I apparently also have prophantasia.
Great describing these things. Now, we wouldn't consider it prophantasia unless it was physically perceived to an extent, as if a hologram. Turns out a mental image may also have a perceived attribute as being tied to physical space, too, even though the image is only perceived in the mind. Prophantasia all comes down to whether the image is physically seen or not.
@@GORCDC The notion of "physically seen" is not clear to me. I can imagine the apple, and I can also imagine that I turn it or touch it or smell it - but it just never supersedes the background. It is always something I put on top of the reality. And if I close my eyes the reality disappears, leaving only my imagined counterpart. If it has to supersede the reality then I would see it as a hallucination, although maybe (partly) under conscious control.
This will happen to me sometimes, usually not at will and not something i pick. The first time was just a fire moving around
Interesting how it can switch on, right?
I've watched a ton of your videos and I am very curious if you might have some insights for me. Through my own journey I've found a lot of the same tips/keys which you discuss such as finding and learning the altered state's feeling and using that feeling to reproduce the state that enables visualizations, but I haven't been able to make any real progress yet since I hit a roadblock right after.
I'm a full congenital aphantasiac (unable to recreate or alter any sense or sensation in the mind since birth) and I've spent about five years now practicing and experimenting with trying to develop my "mind's sight" - and by that I mean I've been trying almost daily to develop the start of everything from hypnagogia to internal visualization to projection to imagination itself. In addition to aphantasia I also have SDAM, which means I cannot even recall my past experiences from memory to be experienced again - I only semantically "know" that I've done or experienced something in the past and I can't relive it to any degree. I can't bring to mind my spouse's appearance from memory if I'm not looking at them, not even to describe it in words, but I never have trouble recognizing people because appearances are remembered like flavors are remembered for me - I can't describe what a strawberry tastes like besides "sweet and fragrant and wet" and I can't taste strawberries in my mind whenever I want, but I always remember what strawberry tastes like when I'm tasting it. I'm also neurodivergent/autistic and don't have a functional non-visual imagination either - I've never played pretend or had an imaginary friend or been able to come up with details about a hypothetical scenario or even create a hypothetical or fantasy narrative when prompted to, my mind just goes and remains blank when I try. I've also tried several "image streaming" techniques but I haven't been able to induce any image/shape/light or "visual sensation" to my internal mind's eye (black screen) or to my closed eye vision or to my open-eye visual field.
I didn't dream at all for the first 33 years of my life until I participated in a psychedelics study hoping it would jump-start my ability to visualize, but despite more than ten doses I never experienced any hallucinations or visual effects or euphoria, however, I've vividly dreamed every night since that study over two years ago.
Where I got stuck: During my final psychedelics study's trip I managed to "locate" my mind's eye - I was able to turn my attention to it for the first time ever! Nothing was displayed there, but I learned the "feeling" of the state of mind or altered state of consciousness where I can perceive my mind's eye, and since then I've learned to access/reproduce that feeling at will which in turn shifts my attention away from my visual field and to my mind's eye whenever I try. The problem: I can't hold my focus onto my mind's eye for more than 1/4sec at a time. It's not long enough to really do or perceive anything there and I haven't yet figured out how to keep my attention there for longer than a split second. When I reproduce the feeling again after my perception of my mind's eye slips away it just goes back to a blank black mind's eye screen. I've tried everything from meditation to drugs to hypnosis to binaural beats to retinal pulsed light stimulation, etc, to extend the time I can look at my mind's eye or to increase the level of detail I can perceive there.
It's taken more than 5 years but I can now visualize a blank white or solid light-color background or a single projected light-colored line to my mind's eye for 1/4sec at a time. I feel like I could really begin to develop my mind's sight and at least partially cure my aphantasia if I could find a way to stare at my mind's eye for however long I want to. Any tips?
Hey there, 5 months late here but here I am! The fact that you've "located" your mind's eye is a great step. Let me ask you, what exactly happens when you're doing that white / solid color thing? In your best words, what do you experience?
@@GORCDC Thank you for replying! When I successfully visualize it's a mix of: allowing my eyes to defocus, turning my mind's attention away from my eyes' vision and to that "space" in my mind that I found while on DMT, and focusing on the idea of what I want to visualize with an intent to "see" it.
Right after the first element of the idea is added to the "space" my attention is pulled away from my mind's eye and back to my eyes' vision whether or not my eyes are closed and no matter how hard I try to keep my attention on the visualization. So in the case of a solid color as soon as I pick what color I want I'll then "see" it for a split second and then my attention is forcefully redirected to my eyes. I can turn attention back but the "space" is blank again. I've tried to draw things to that space but I can only ever make the first "mark" before it's pulled away again. I tried doing a continuous line like a swirl but as soon as it gets more complex than a very short segment the same thing happens. I can't draw a letter or a number before being pulled away.
My only theory so far is that when I go to "look" at what has just appeared in my visualization I am unintentionally moving my eyes, like out of habit or reflex, and that eye movement is forcing my attention away from my mind's eye's "space".
So one day I was randomly dozing off in a class a couple of years ago and this eye ball in the static popped out at me and now anytime I look if I want to see said eyeball I just think about it and I see it in my physical vison thought I was going crazy or something at first loll
Well, that's pretty wild!
Your work is incredible! Thank you so much! I started researching for my self since I had some profound accidental experiences lately without practicing. Keep on going and have a look into the work of mark komissarow, and the Indonesian merpati putih system, MP USA has quite some videos here on RUclips. Children learn this ability in notime! I remember doing it when I was a child, but it got lost during the distracting experience called life.
Hey thank you! I'll check those things out. Sorry for the super late reply! Was on hiatus
I'm curious to know, do you have a podcast?
Not yet! Though, I've considered it..! Do you think I should?
Yes, I think you should. It'll give us more channels, besides RUclips, to connect with you.🙂
@@GORCDC yesss do it!!
Thank you🙌🏼
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I feel like I could have aphantasia, profantasia, hyperphantasia, and phantasia all at once loool
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i heard abt aphantasia like 2 days ago and now after watching this video i'm confused if i have aphantasia or prophantasia it's a really subjective topic bc we can't see the world like anyone else do. these make me think we won't understand this completely but i hope we can
also for me i imagine things but see darkness if it makes sense
Yeah that makes sense! If you can think of what something looks like, that would be the mind's eye. But if it remains black in front of your closed eyes, then you lack prophantasia
@@GORCDC That clears it! Thank you so much, I thought everyone had Prophantasia and I'm the only one that can't project images into my eyes, while I could imagine what things look like but couldn't really see them, there is really a lot of confusion on the web about it, especially on reddit. (I thought I had Aphantasia)
Wow. Thank you so much for answering big questions for me!!!! I think I have Aphantasia? I'm hoping to visualize someday still. I thought people counting sheep was just an expression and I honestly don't have an image of my loved ones, or anyone in my head. I remember parts of what they look like and piece the idea of them together.
I hear you! It seems there is hope, at least
If I am correct with my assumptions this sounds like when you’ve possibly been in a hypnogic state of half sleep half wake and your transitioning over to dream and any slight thought of something specific brings you directly into that scene as if you were really there except people are doing this in a more awakened state. Very interesting sounds awesome. Also would be of great help for manifesting ! You my friend have sparked a nother flame on me. I’ve learnt telekinesis which is a good ability to see for your self how powerful you are but this right here…. It actually can have some real world applicable use in terms of manifesting !
It can! Though, I'd suggest an even more applicable skill to manifesting is the ability to generate emotion on command. Since emotion seems to be the "secret sauce" to goal setting and "manifesting".
Hey, I have a question since some things aren't clear to me so much.
So someone with Hyperphantasia don't actually see anything as in real life, but just thinks about how something will look like.
While an Aphant wouldn't know/remember how something will even look like.
I'm confused, because while I can construct in my mind let's say an inner room and start inserting furniture in that space I can't actually see it, I can also imagine a coordinate system, draw a line with certain degree, and if it lands on X=21, I know where it will land on Y, just by imagining at where the line goes visually, but again, I don't actually see the graph infronnt of me. I can also 'listen' to long sequences of songs in my imagination, but I'm not actually hearing them. In your representation at 6:00 you present a cat in the mind's eye, and blur on the sides, while you're saying the color is getting blurred around the edges. It looks to me what you said to be prophantasia. Because if I imagine a cat now, all I imagine is a Gray Siamese cat, but only his face and he looks forward, he doesn't move uncontrollably and there's no background, like what you presented. I can add detail, move it, rotate it, but unrelated details never come in unless I choose to insert it, so when people imagine things they see blur around the edges? doesn't that mean that they 'actually see' a picture. I would be glad if you can elaborate that topic :D.
I also was playing with after-images as an attempt to develop my mind's eye (which I thought is actually seeing things, like what you describe in Prophantasia). I sometime barely see phosphenes and buzzing due to that exercise. Is that what's called really low on the spectrum of Prophantasia?
First, some aphants do have access to visual memory, but yet lack the conscious experience of using their mind's eye. So it gets tricky to clarify when we use words like "know/remember", because it's not quite clear enough how the person is doing the knowing / remembering. But yeah, visual memory can exist outside of the conscious experience of visual imagery.
So if you have any conscious access to the visual qualities of a thing, instead of just descriptors and words, then you very well may be experiencing a measure of mind's eye activity. But it's hard to tell based on your description. And yes, most people don't actually see a picture, it seems, they only think of what the picture looks like to varying degrees of detail.
Lastly, what you describe at the end there absolutely sounds like low-level prophantasia =^.^=
@@GORCDC That's what I initially thought, that it happens, but I just don't have direct access to it. Thank you so much about your explanations. I also sent a chat message to you on reddit, my name is 'Curiousiticiously'. I started being active on Aphantasia subreddit after commenting here on RUclips, to get more sense out of the situation. Hope you read it, and tell me what you think about the idea.
@@nf191 oh I'll make sure to check. I'm very inactive on Reddit
@@GORCDC Thank you, I think the whole subject is wider than what it seems, that's what it looks like to me, but I'm not the one to confirm it. I wonder what's fundamentally different in experience other than imagination capabilities.
Saw the entire directors cut of Gone With The Wind in my head while trying to make it through this video 🤣🤦🏼♀️
I'm not sure what you're implying here? Were you not able to pay attention?
Wow ive done this a few times only when very relaxed and I see my cat 🐈⬛ I just thought it was a pre-dream lol . Can people really learn to do this at will? I totally want to try, that’d be awesome
Yep, seems to be something which can be trained. I've done it myself, and have helped others to begin to unlock the ability, too
@@GORCDC I’ve seen your website and while I cannot afford your prices now, I’d like to budget for a few sessions in the future. How many meetings would it take for people to experience a breakthrough or begin seeing results on average, would you say?
@@Flowerbelle-qk9qp Typically working the right skills, people will see slight progress within 2-4 sessions (hours).
you can do this during the hypnogogic hallucination half sleep phase. ever heard of hypnogogic hallucinations???
Is there a limit until which prophantasia can extend? The example with triangle the roof of this ability or you can go further?
It can totally go further! There are those out there who are able to project full on 3D color hologram-type images into their physical environment
I'm in the process of making this weeks video, which will be all about the spectrum of this ability =^.^=
So, if you can see a triangle in your mind, that's Phantasia? But if you can imagine a triangle on a wall, it's now called Prophantasia?
So, wouldn't the largest % of people with any of these levels from aphan to hyper be the "norm" and those lacking, have a "disorder"?
Also, I can't find anything on the levels? of hyperphantasia. I can create scenes where I interact with people, who would give me a range of possible responses based on what how I feel they could react. It's not just a movie scene. There can be feeling touch and smell, as well as overall emotional feeling. Exactly like it happened. I'm very aware of the difference. Like it's in a separate "file folder" than in person vision.
Kinda like imagining chess moves, except with voice inflection and tones, almost like you can feel you're actually there, describing the "scene". I say scene, because I can't see everything. Just what's in the context of my focus.
It's 100% controllable, also. Which, is hopefully why I'm not all the way crazy. Lol!
It's okay to be a bit crazy! =^.^=
So if someone is only imagining a triangle on the wall, but don't physically see it, then that's just regular mind's eye Activity.
As soon as what one is imagining begins to translate into what they're physically seeing, we term it "prophantasia". So these types won't only think of the triangle on the wall, but will physically see it there, occupying physical space.
I still don't fully get the difference, always viewed them as one and the same, but if some people only have one of them understanding the difference could be useful XD
Is mind's eye view kind of like when you look at stuff but don't see it? So for example if i glance over a table while thinking of something else, i can see it, seemingly in detail, but I don't like observe it. It's as if I think that I see the table, but don't actually SEE it. I can see the whole picture and how it fits together but not actually the details (omg communication is so difficuly when trying to describe subjective thought).
On the other hand, prophantasia would be like me staring at the table while focusing (also can't SEE the whole table, only a small fragment, but that could be related to adhd).
Does that sound about right?
Mind's eye is best described as the feeling, or sensation, of seeing without ever actually seeing. Prophantasia, though, would be physically seeing something akin to a hologram. Your description of experience the table without seeing it sounds like mind's eye.
Your awesome and thank you so much.
You're welcome! And truly, thank you for the kind words =^.^=
I think people who say they see things exactly the same way in their mind as seeing it in reality are full of it. There is a physical/mechanical component to an eye that makes that possible. The brain can't just conjure that up. Seeing without actually seeing is more of an accurate statement.
Yeah, thats my favorite definition of mind's eye: the feeling of seeing without seeing.
Is it possible to fool your other senses as well? Smell, hearing, touch etc
100%
@@GORCDC thank you for the answer! Quick question; I’ve actually tried manipulating the static with my eyes closed in a dark room before, but had an extremely hard time of it. I managed to occasionally see bits of color or light, but never static (though at one point when leaving a room I saw a bit of static, but only once, and it could’ve just been me). Any tips as to how to better see the static?
i experienced this before everything thing kinda shrunk and was in front of it was col but i could only see smal blurry green dots on black. because I have aphantasia
Well, that's something!
Hello, do you know if the cognitive function stack by Jung is influenced by this? Im an INFP and can imagine everything inside my head, and can even walk trough these remembered worlds. But i cannot project it outwards. Maybe extraverted functions Will allow this more?
I'm unfamiliar with those modalities, so I can't properly answer your question.
From 'practice' I can see a very very faint visual change when I try to project items, but its still quite bad for me. By contrast if I were to imagine my cat I could call to mind a specific picture of my cat in my room and various details and etc.
However in all cases my imagination is not very "solid" or permanent. Even if I can see a faint staticky image of a triangle on the wall it will float around, or twist out of shape. In my mind's eye things will appear and disappear and move at their own will. Any face I try to imagine will melt or distort itself. Idk what that means but it could be my ADHD 😭
I suggest practicing close to sleep and see what happens ;)
Are there any advantages to this?
We don't know yet.
when i was at elementary school i look at the stacikly table and i see some thing
You see it in your physical sight?
Okay, is it possible to have both the field of vision and the minds eye. Cuz I never realised I have been doing this from childhood. Especially when I go out for shopping dress, I see myself wearing the dress, even before buying it, with the same field of vision and if I close my eyes it changes to my mind vision. Even falling asleep my mind need it's own imaginary story telling to fall asleep 🥲😂. My most favourite is seeing myself in space 🚀 😂
Yeah, one can totally have both types =]
@@GORCDC That's cool!
Sir, do you have email where I can send some questions to?
Visit my website: www.gorcdc.com
I’ve always thought this was so normal, and everyone did this on the daily and naturally just projected things all the time and lived in their imagination. Finally have a word to describe my weird imagination as 😂
Glad I've helped in some small way!
I have pondered about your videos. Not that I want to find a fault. But something felt not alright. And then I got it.
The mind is not the brain or the intellect. The mind is a fusion of feelings (heart) and thoughts. Therefore when we imagine something in the minds-eye we cannot locate the minds-eye.
The minds eye is not somewhere in the head. It is a part of our whole being. We need not to close our eyes to see things. But when we „see“ things than all our senses, feelings, memories, consciousness and subconciousness are included. So my whole being is involved in this process.
These are some great thoughts! Yes! I totally agree. Though, for the sake of simplifying the concepts so that the widest audience can relate, I've boiled the mind's eye down to being "in the head". This is because when we think of "where" thoughts "feel" like they're originating from, it's clear that it's not our feet, and most people report that it feels that thoughts come from around the head. So that's why I've landed on the best common language I can come up with for now, that the mind's eye is experienced "in the head". Though, more accurately, it could be experienced more as a field around a person, as well
@@GORCDC Thank you for your reply. I agree with your idea of making it more simple. The best of your explanation is that one does not see the things in front of your eyes. This is what I always thought when people asked an audience to close the eyes and imagine something. I thought they wanted us to see the stuff in front of our physical eyes. Thank you for setting up all your videos. Give some stuff to ponder over.
@@trinityinspiration198 I'm glad you're enjoying the ponderings =]
Science would disagree with you... I wish I could believe were more than just a physical body with quemical and electrical reactions
It helps for me to phantasie all senses.
A yidam practice I do has a long phase of imagine your self at a specific place. When I start to hear the place, feel it on the skin and so on, my actual vision can get superimposed by my mental image. But not that clearly.
Can one train that?
It is like you put a photo in Photoshop over an image and put its transparency to like 75-90%
It is there but clearly not the real world.
Yeah, one can train becoming absorbed into the mental image, starting to super-impose, etc! At least, theoretically so
so I could also project my visuals from the mental to physical eye but... It doesn't really feel real as prophantasia
soooo what does that makes me?
not prophantasia just mind's eye
If you don't physically see any change, then you're only experiencing mind's eye. If your field of view changes (even very slightly), then that would be prophantasia.
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So what do you think visual snow might be? I'm curious to know cause I've been thinking about my visual snow for the past 6 months 😅
Well, visual snow according to the medical community is the stimulation of the receptor cells within our eyes. I do believe there could be some different, more metaphysical explanations, but that's a different conversation =^.^=
@@GORCDC I'd love to see a video about this topic and your beliefs! :D
What if a person can see actual imagery onto their closed eyelids? Not just an object but a full fledged scenario playing out like a film, and even imagining/feeling all 5 senses during it. Is that hyperphantasia or prophantasia?
It depends, does this person feel like they are sort of detached from their physical senses? In essence, they are transported to their mind-space? If so, that would imply that this is an extreme version of hyperphantasia. But the experience itself would be as if hyperphantasia and prophantasia mixed into one.
@@GORCDC Well it was actually me, I only experienced it a few times. It was really enchanting experiences. I did feel detached from everything while having each experience. I imagine things pretty will but don't usually see much when I close my eyes. When I close my eyes I just see passing colors, or imagery but it looks as if I am wearing pretty tinted sunglasses, but I'm seeing it right on my eyelids. I was just curious if prophantasia actually ever see a full scenario or just see simple things. Is both being mixed together possible?
I think most people can do holographic image projection. How else would you look at a room and imagine what it looks like with different furniture or rearrange the current furniture without actually doing it. It's very common to assume people can do this so it must be very common. I wonder though.
From our initial surveys, interviews, and studies, it appears that most visualizers are not able to do holographic projection. Instead, most visualizers can recreate a scene in their mind, then place objects into it. But this does not alter their actual physical visual field whatsoever.
@@GORCDC You know all those home decor shows where the decorator says "imagine this!" and they start pointing to corners of the room and describing how it will look to other people? If it weren't common then all these people would seem crazy right? How is this behavior so common if other people can't picture what they are describing? I'm not saying you're wrong. I just don't get how this would work.
OK, I Close my eye and I can't see any image, nor a sent in my mind, nor music in my mind. however, I can project a very weak transparent image in my field of view with my eyes open. So this looks like prophantasia while i also have aphantasia.
Interesting! That's not the first time I've heard of this
As someone with aphantasia I can still not understand how seeing in your mind's eye might be but prophantsia makes more sense? I can see the black and I can try (and fail) to create an image there so is this the way to go? First try to imagine in the black, then in the mind? I'm also wondering if people are seeing things in their minds, isn't that dangerous???? I now see everyone as dangerous, especially when driving. It's crazy to me that people go around seeing things other than what they see with their eyes :D
There typically is a disconnect, it seems, from the mental senses and the physical senses. So when driving, most people will not get so distracted by their mental senses that their physical sight completely stops taking in the road ahead... Though this can happen to people on the extreme end of the spectrum
I'm sorry, but how exactly are you "try to create an image there" if you claim to have aphantasia? It doesn't makes sense, if you're trying to project an image from your mind, it means your mind has access to this image in the firstplace, hence you "see" it in your mind in the firsplace?
@@dushas9871 well... I don't see an image anywere so I have no idea if to do this you need to create one somewhere else first or not. People who can do this might know if they can just project it as a screen in the black without having to "move it". To me, it makes sense to think that to start seeing anything, having the black "canvas" as the place to put these images on might be easier.
@@dushas9871 also I think we have access to these images but just can't see them. It's there but the mind/brain won't give it to us as an image but as words/concepts. So my loic is that if the info is there and we have access to it, we might be able to project it as an image. Learning how to do this. Maybe in the future is possible. Maybe there are techniques we're not aware of yet. Maybe some can and others can't depending if we have it since birth or not. Maybe no one can one you get aphantasia.
Hi! 👋
Can you link to the discord server? I can’t find it.
Here ya go: discord.gg/hrgQquS
@@GORCDC thank you! 😁
What are the differences between prophantasia and schizophrenia? Are they both connected or totally different thing?
The actual experience could be similar, only schizophrenia would be unwanted and uncontrollable
great visualization and great content. i have 100% afantasia (atm) and i 'm on the autistic spectrum. I just can't imagine that I'll ever be able "to do" phantasia or propantasia. But it's really helpful to know what's possible and to understand other people. Is it possible that having 100% aphantasia is actually autism and what I understand as 100% aphantasia is actually the inability to prophantasia. Greetings from Germany
Glad to help!
Do you guys have a discord server?
We do! But it's not the most active server out there...
@@GORCDC could I have an invite by any chance?
I don't understand, I thought this was normal thing that all humans do! I don't understand how it is unusual!
Projected imagery does not seem very typical, no.
how? I just wanna imagine things I can see a see red star but I can't? I can but I can't see it
You may have regular phantasia but are lacking prophantasia
Okay, yes I can do that.
You can physically see holograms in your environment?
@@GORCDC I can make shapes appear on my environment as if it were AR, yes. Is it like a hologram? Not so much... It's not usually 3D. It's 2D usually. Although, I suspect that if I had practiced this more as a kid, it's possible to have made 3D ones. Your description of how it is is really accurate to my experience. I'm also hyperphantastic. I have an informal diagnosis of Autism and a proper diagnosis of ADHD.
i can copy the thing i see in my mind and move them like some game or like fortnight
Well, that's cool! 😀
i just wanna get hypnotized since i cant do anything in quarantine
Or buy a VR headset =D
i dont have money :(
I have hyperphantasia
Nice!
so why are they creating augmented reality glasses if ppl can do this in their brains???!
Well, that's a good point, and that's because most people are not full on projecting imagery into their environment around them.
I'm really good at this. I'm now also developing this geometrical yoga style thing and it really helps me to enhance the hyperphantasia also if you are a Christian and by the way I am. I am getting really close to the Holy spirit and am now using hyperphantasia in my prayer warrior life. And the truth is I could give Stephen king a run for his money on it. I can visualize the demons and smack them in the name of Jesus.. please repent and He will free you. And he will prove to you that he is really God Because folks hell is a very real place. Please think about it.. He loves you so much and no matter how dirty and unclean you feel. He longs for you. He died a horrific death for you. The cross smothers you. I'm not sorry that I'm being forward with you. I love you too and if I didn't love you I wouldn't say anything. I owe Jesus my eternal soul and his Love is pure bliss. Please listen God Loves you more than you can imagine. Yes. You
Wish you the best on your journey 🙏
Very interesting that, like with prophantasia, visual snow may also be present in the onset of schizophrenia.
Personally, I think humanity is going to owe a huge, heartfelt apology to people with schizophrenia and psychosis in general; but that’s a story for another day.
I haven't seen any studies linking visual snow to schizophrenia, but I did find one that found some correlation to depression and anxiety: www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fneur.2021.703006/full
And I totally agree, we definitely need to revise our definitions and approach to many of these issues within mental health
Lecoq de boisbaudran
? A French chemist who helped pioneer spectoscopy?
I thought everyone could do that lol
Doesn't seem so
I think my husband can do this, but I don't understand myself, if someone asks me to imagine a cat or whatever i can "remember" one that I've seen sometime, but I hardly can create a image from the scratch and if i have to draw something its always like a child one unless i see something in real life and copy it as best as i can 😅 when i read its like I understand the term bc i associate it with a physical object that I've seen before like a cell i remember this classic cience book image of one stuff like that, is that how other ppl see things in their minds or is this aphantasia 🫨