I use to be a Toyota service advisor and manager. One thing I can tell you is never change your oil at 10k mile intervals. 5k with full synthetic oil is the best solution. Also these low tension piston rings are garbage. I have done many of these engines and can tell you that while this is not a good issue for Toyota they are not the only ones. I would still drive this vehicle over any domestic or German vehicle.
My father once told my “nothing good is cheap or nothing cheap is good” if you need something to last you need to maintain it properly that’s why I agree with you on using original parts and good fluids.
Same with internet brides. If they are parked at the kerb with their keys in ready to go........ look out ! Never marry anyone until you have gotten em drunk a couple of times... 2 quarts of IPA should do it... So learn from my lot, which I know you will not, and learn about women from me..
@Paper Tiger Exacly for example my car 2010 Audi A4 b8 1.8 TFSI, the OEM engine mounts cost 250$ each. They are made for Audi by Lemforder if you buy them directly from Lemforder they cost 80$(they are exacly the same parts, the one i bought were diffrent only in one think-they had AUDI logo scraped off) There is rearly a think in which the OEM part is better at but it always cost 2-5x more than good brand replacement part.
yeah on a computer or what ever its different but on a car you spend near 20k on its not worth fucking around to save 20$ per oil chance or $100 per year on not changing oil for it to sludge up or overheat from lack of coolant or old coolant etc. I have a 2zz celica and thrash the fuck out of it but change the oil every 7,000KM with full synthetic oil for piece of mind. have had the valve cover off and looks like the previous owner may of let it varnish a bit but scared to do engine flush incase a leak develops
He has a great voice for the narration. Watching the engine tear down and rebuild videos remind me of watching a nature documentary. Fascinating to watch and listen to.
Lime taps, I like it when the camera is sped up, allowing us to enjoy lime soda straight from it's taps, so that visual info is condensed into a much shorter time frame! 😊
I started watching your channel shortly after I purchased my 2020 4Runner. I have always taken good care of my cars and do my own maintenance whenever possible. Thank you for being so informative and teaching even more things to consider when working on my car. Because of you, I faithfully change my oil every 5k miles. I so appreciate your honesty and integrity. May God bless you and your family.
You are a smart person! If you change it @ 5K miles on a regular basis, you will get 300K+ on the motor. Just don't forget to change tranny fluid & radiator fluid, and that 4Runner will last you 20K+ years.
I’ve had my T100 for 25 years, ten of them with an overdriven TRD SC Gen4. An injector stuck closed, and I burned an exhaust valve nearly in half when I finally opened it up to look. It could have made it a lot further than the 287k it had, but I have a habit of over modifying and abusing everything I drive. Luckily, I LOVE tearing them down and rebuilding them as much as I love driving them… I’m also a stickler for daily oil level checks, and the A340E transmission is still shifting nicely because it has been drained and refilled every other year, at 30k.
i have a 2011 camry with the 2.5. Never burned a drop of oil, I have religiously followed 5,000 mile interval oil changes. If the motor has been well maintained you are not going to have any issues. One of the most bullet proof engines Toyota has ever produced.
Had a 2011 also, albeit in stick. Sad I wrecked it at 232k. No oil burning. First 100k or so was 10k oci on TGMO, then at some point ai switched to 5W30 but still 10k, finally down to 5k. I suspect the engine would be fine with 10k on 0W20 even after 200k, but I wanted longer life. Sadly it wasn’t in the cards. Good motor. Hoping the later A25A works as well.
Not true, I have same Camry and been changing oil every 5,000 miles with Mobil 1 and it’s burning oil!! Toyota dropped the ball on this one and refused to stand behind their product period….
@@supton1532 not all 10k intervals are the same. When there is an engine hour counter in one of the modules you get a far better data set. I see vehicles with 10 k changes but odo divided by engine hours is over 40 14:25 (mph effectively) the issues are negligible. I see 5k changed vejicles.with loads of engine issues and odo/hour shows 27 mph due to lots of idle. Remote start is great for my business and bad for your wallet when you own that vehicle past 90k miles.
@@therevx5225 2011. Toyota messed up the rings and pistons. The corrected pistons have bigger oil collection holes to prevent a build up. Prior version engine owners sued Toyota and they finally decided to cover it under extended warranty. But nobody suing them for 2AR-FE so no extended warranty.....I was a loyal Toyota customer but for my next car I will consider Honda.
You have a high skill set. Not all shops and mechanics can operate at your level of expertise and professionalism. Your an honest businessman who needs to make a living and pay your employeess...That's why God has blessed you and the community you serve. Wish there were more businessmen like you!
On a long trip, when everything is nice and hot, you can barely hear the 2ar fe running at idle. Sometimes I have to press my ear up to the car to even hear if anything is making a noise. For context, I can hear a Prius pull up on my driveway clearer than this engine at idle. It truly is a gem and I'm taking care of mine!
Had a 2010 Camry with this engine. Noticed it burning oil at around 165k miles. I had bought it from my dad at 135k miles but he did his oil changes every 6-8k miles. I always do mine at 5k. It’s a damn shame for such a good car. Got a Mazda cx5 and sold the Camry to my brother for cheap as a second car, to last as long as it can.
I had a 2010 RAV4 (white color that was pealing) with this 2.5 litre motor. Just sold it in 2022 with about 150,000 miles. One major issue was the rattling noise from the VVTI right after purchasing in 2010 (covered by warranty). I religiously changed the oil and didn’t experience oil burning issues. The only other issues that I had before selling it was rear wheel bearings and a minor oil leak, like a drop possibly from valve cover or rear main seal. Overall, it was a great vehicle for the 12 years we owned.
I had the same VVT-I rattle on my ‘12 Highlander. Drove with the cold start rattle for 75K miles. The dealership couldn’t figure it out as they told us. We finally got it resolved at 175K miles during a timing belt change. Still driving at 211K miles.
Our family friend has 2010 Rav4 4 cylinder engine. Vehicle has a bit over 100k miles and doesn't seem to burn any measurable amount of oil. He does change oil every 4k miles though with synthetic blend, I believe. No strange noises under the hood even when starting the car cold. We did have to replace rear wheel passenger side bearing couple of years ago. Additionally there was some sort of a coolant hose leak and Toyota parts guy said it is common and had the part in stock.
I’m buying my gf’s 2010 Camry that she inherited from her mother that purchased new. She maintained for her mom and continued to when she got it. Changed oil every 3k miles since new and the car hasn’t had any issues and I will continue the maintenance. It has 164k on the clock. I’ve had a couple Toyota’s here Down Under and currently have a 97 4wd Rav4 that has 265k kilometres, 165k miles and is going well still.
I had a 2011 Camry with this engine, and experienced a lot of oil usage, and then the catalytic converter became clogged. I changed my oil regularly, but not as often as recommended. I wish I'd known about The Car Care Nut a lot sooner.
The newest version (2018) of the 2.5 seems to be a really great engine! Many Uber drivers out there with 250k + and no oil consumption. Change your oil regularly, and don't use cheap oil. Those quick lube places probably use the cheapest bulk oil they can find 😮
2.5 toyota engine produced after 2017, these all engines have knocking noise, very disgusting sound when you trying to rev between 2000 4000rpm making rattle like pinging knocking noise, horrible horrible shame to toyota. I'm telling you guys who have this engine just try to rev up to 4,500rpm and you will hear that disgusting knocking noise, Hhrrrrrrrr hrrrrrrrrrrr
In some vehicles just changing the PCV valve will stop oil consumption. That said, my dad got over 300,000 miles on his 1963 Buick Electra 225 by changing the oil every 2,000 miles with Mobil Oil. The Electra 225 ran perfectly when parked, we just didn't need it anymore!
The 2AZ(5W-20 revision) and the (early)2AR's issue isn't a PCV issue. The oil control rings are prone to getting stuck in the lands. And the sure way to cause that to happen is do 6000+ mile oil changes. Everyone should always use the severe use OCI. 90%+ of cars actually fall into it. And if you actually read your manuals you will see the severe schedule is always half the touted oil change interval.
2010 toyota camry LE owner here with the 2.5 4 cylinder 2AR-FE engine. I am very dilligent about following your advice on everything AMD. My 2010 camry now is approaching 81,000 kilometers. It only had 71,000 kilometers on it at the end of november 2023 when i bought it from an 83 year old lady who was the original owner. I get my oil changed before 5000 mile intervals. I am having the 6 speed automatic transmission fluid changed very soon. I already had the coolant/antifreeze replaced with new super long life toyota coolant/antifreeze. The car currently has the ABS and stabillity control lights lit up on the dash... i am having a diagnostic scan done very soon for this issue. Keep up the great video content AMD !!!! I love your honesty and your ability to explain things to people in the simplest possible terms,so that everyone can understand whatever topic you are explaining ! Thanks again .... from a loyal subscriber in northeastern ontario, canada ! P.S. : I will be getting the engine serpentine belt and the A/C belt replaced in the near future.
I had a 2008 Rav4. I had the recall done at a Toyota dealer. Video on my channel. I drove it until I had a guy pull out in front of me and the car was totalled. It didn't burn any oil after Toyota replaced the oil burning burning issue. I purchased a 2017 Rav4 and have over 186000 miles on it and it's been a great car. Thank you for making these videos.
@@melvingibson4525but I don't know how it's humanly possible for the one 1960s Volvo owner who put 3 million miles on his from new. I mean he did have several decades to do that but still all those miles driven 🤯. I recall in an interview somebody said he drove over 10,000 on one of the first weekends he got the car. Or some other crazy number.
@@zzoinks That was one guy that was involved in maintaining this Volvo and he said not all of the story was true. You can find it online if you interested.
no matter how many jobs you do, your heart always skips a few beats when you start the car after any repair...it just goes with the territory....doesn't matter if you change the oil or replace the motor, 30 yrs later, it still skips a beat...great job
For the money, it's a fantastic job performed on this car. I like your logic of spending time looking over the rest of the car to justify the expense for the engine replacement. Very good job AMD! With time and/or mileage proper maintenance, I hope this vehicle goes at least 200,000 on the engine!
I would be surprised if that engine didn't last for at least 200,000 miles. I only drove my 77 Corolla liftback to work and back for ten years, had under 200,000 on it, but it never stranded me once. You can't beat Toyota's for reliability.
@@geofffikar3417 newer Toyotas are FAR away from the reliability of 77 Corollas. Toyota's today are plagued with issues suchs as in their 2GR which affect most vehicles and those are all expensive ENGINE OUT jobs. Also all their blocks are disposable if something happens 8/9k on a new block. Rather buy a Manual Honda and save me the engine out repair bills.
lol, i'm almost at 500k miles on the 2az-fe '09 camry (original eng and auto-trans) and 300k miles on '14 scion tc 2ar-fe (manual-trans , and about to replace transmission)
This is one of the things that makes me crazy about lexus. They didn’t want to change our oil until we hit 16000kms (10,000miles). Even though we had ECP and prepaid maintenance we had to pay to get the oil changed after 6 months. We are retired and we mostly drive short trips. It’s pennywise and pound foolish.
That's crazy long...I would push past 6k miles especially you drive short distances most of time. There will be a mix of gasoline in you engine oil. You need to remove that. Imagine how much gas mixture is in there when you hit 10k miles. Yikes
OCI always have a time component as well as distance, so if you do low miles, dealers have to abide by the OCI time component and change the oil and filter even if the distance criteria isn't met.
Amazing video. I love your thought process Ahmed. You are truly are a priceless automotive technician. I wish I had some one like you telling me that the rest of the car is falling apart before I decide to replace the engine. Long ago, when I was an ignorant fool with cars, I had replaced an engine only to find that I have a Hollywood chair at the shop with never ending repairs after. Thanks again for sharing the Car Care Nut ethic! God bless brother.
I agree with the owner’s logic here, especially in his case where he’s the original owner, maintained it overall until it reached this point. I’m a 2nd owner of a 2007 RAV4 w/the oil burning issue. I just keep the oil level right, especially now that my nephew is currently using it. TCCN videos rock 👍🏻
Hello Sir .I am watching your videos on daily basis.I can to tell you that Toyota should pay you tons of money for representing their company and for teaching technicians how to work on Toyota product .You are hands down the best teacher on the net .Calm voice without stupid music or screeming to the microphone .that is exactly how instructional videos should look a like .👏👏👍
2013 RAV4 here, original owner. 1st oil change at 2k miles, 2nd at 5k miles and every 5k miles after that. Started with Mobil1 but have been using Costco (Kirkland 0w20) for the last 50k miles or so. Car has 135k miles right now and does not burn any oil.
I am an original owner of a 2009 Rav4. Has 176,000 miles. At about 150,000 miles it started burning oil. I am a diy so changed oil every 5,000 miles. I couldn't determine why it burns oil but this video answered that question. Burn about 1 quart every 4,000 miles so that's not too concern yet.
I have two cars with the earlier 2AZFE. One has a valve seal issue and has made a puff of smoke on startup for the last 16 years. Neither consumes excessive oil. The 2006 Highlander with 192,000 miles would consume a half quart in 5000 miles if driven at 80 MPH for extended times, but normally is on the full mark at OCI. The 2003 Camry that smokes on startup has never had oil added in 120,000 miles
Thank you for this video, going to be taking a warrantied 2AR (timing cover gasket leak) and rebuilding it for an MR2 Spyder swap. This content gives me the perfect step by step on tearing down and reassembly with bonus points for Amd ASMR!
I have a 4 cyl 2010 Camry SE that i bought new in 2009. It currently has 215,000 miles and uses less than a quart every 5,000 miles. My son has been driving it in college the last few years and I remind him to keep an eye on it. I've changed the oil with synthetic ever since it was new every 5,000-6,000 miles. I hope the car makes it another 2 years.
Great vid…..I had this rapid oil-burning issue on a Camry, and was VERY disappointed with Toyota. No recall, no service support….abandoned by Toyota. Thanks for your narrative on this job. 👍
Excellent video ! My ‘13 Camry XLE , 130K miles, goes from oil change to the next one without even top off 😃 I do my oil change every 5k(service light on) and use only synthetic Mobil 1 high mileage EP 😁
I still have my 2009 Camry Hbrid (2AR-FXE) and was fortunate enough to have the pistons and rings replaced during the TSB campaign several years ago. Hasn't burned a drop since. Thanks to this channel, I do the oil changes and most of its maintenance. Now I just need a tire machine and a way to program the TPM sensors :)
@@mikes6458 keep in mind a cold start rattle can be, not always but can be, a sign that timing chain guides have worn and that the sound is actually the timing chain. It WILL fail eventually if that's what you have going on. Good job on service and keep in mind your best oil filter is often your best air filter.
Well this warning is too late for me, but I’d rather know to be alert for the potential problem. So far, so good on a 2011 Camry. I’m forcing myself to go old school and check my oil every stop to get gas. Always clean and full. However, the records from original owner show he bought into 10,000 mile synthetic oil change for first 40,000 miles. I change it every 5000. Thanks for the video.
Great video as always , you are my go to mechanic on RUclips anything dealing with Toyota’s ,really enjoy your expertise on these common issues on different models , be waiting on the next video 👁️👁️!!
I did this job to my 2009 Camry around 500,000 kilometers, but i had a very good machining shop near me that machined the cylinders and replaced the pistons and rings with bigger diameter ones from Japan, now just passed 780,000 km with no oil leaking problems. not planning to stop using it ( goal is 1 M 😅). 33:50
That owner’s logic to spend so much money was very sound. If I was on that position I would to the same. We love your honesty and can only pray to find a mechanic with your work ethic.
I have the same engine in my 2010 Toyota Camry. 248,000 miles plus and no oil leaks. Change my oil every 5,000 miles with a quality Toyota OEM oil filter and quality 0W-20 Full Synthetic Motor Oil. No issues. It doesn't burn any oil at all!!
You're great at helping people understand the math of car issues, swaps, investment etc. It's really complicated and different for everyone depending on their needs and skills. Great channel.
The issue is simple, maintenence. The oil to use is Mobil 1. They make the toyota genuine oil for these engines. The varnish could mean different things, but likely sludge sat in there a while. The 2az had the same issue, and its indeed the scraper ring. They did a new design and it gets gunked. The 2az had a one piece design at first. On original parts, you need to change every 5k miles, but also add an oil cleaner additive before you do. Some additives stay the life of the oil, some should be in the last few hundred miles. Now, I've also heard that some people attach a bracket to the oil pan with a magnet in it, to catch any metal that gets in. It's not entirely necessary, but you actually never know when metal just begins to fail. The other thing is that if you're ever in the engine, DO NOT use the original rings. Rings come as kits, and dealers and mechanics will send you the same rings from the parts catalog. Yk, the ones with the defective oil ring. Aftermarket, in the case of the 2az at least, give you a traditional scraper ring. If you're burning oil from overtightening your head bolts or overheating....well....oops. Ns300l or a shave I guess.
I have a 2011 rav4 with this engine. Purchased it as a lease turn in with 45k miles . We still have this vehicle now has 156k miles . I have always changed the oil right on the 5k mile mark with mobile 1 . It doesn't use any oil . It's been a very good car .
I used to look at new cars thinking which ones I'd like to get when used some years down the road but with 10k mile oil changes I better save up for something new.
I use 'aftermarket' parts on my Toyotas, but the company that makes the original parts, the same that comes in the Toyota original part box. (Aisin water pump, Aisin oil pump, Denso coils, Denso air flow sensor, etc.)
so few drivers understand we ALL driving way deep into the Severe driving maintenance schedule and so few actually follow the interval and just do what the manufacturer says, no matter what any auto manufacturer says, 5,000 or less, you might push to 6,000 on synthetic, the but the whole 10,000-15,000 is a total scam for cars that are garage queens that only get driven only on the highway. When I owned my Scion tC with the 2.4, I sent an oil sample to Blackstone Labs and they said I could push it to 8,000 and be ok, but it's just such a cheap investment to change the oil more often than trying to get longevity on oil changes.
You are not a drop in the bucket- You are the mechanic we all dream about Up front Knowledgeable - and approach the job as if it were your investment - Excellent Channel Excellent Man 👍
I have 2013 Toyota Highlander 4cylinder 2.7 and have 152k miles now he eat oil but not that much I change oil every 4-5k miles ever since I buy this brandnew and I have it 10cvs already and drive so smooth..just take care this Toyota engine and give you more and more miles.
I appreciate very much your detailed convencing informations regarding oil change intervals. My German Toyota Avensis 1.8 from 2008 runs like a Swiss clock with synthetic oil every six months. So no sludge inside the robust (Corolla) motor ist developing. 🎯
Loved to watch you do this job - EXCELLENT video. This is the video I’ve been waiting 7 years for. My wife bought her first brand new car in 2008: a 2009 Camry with this 4 cylinder engine. After about 6 years of meticulous maintenance (at around 110K miles) oil started vanishing. No leaks, no smoke coming out of the tailpipe, no change in performance. I kept watching the oil and adding oil in increasingly large amounts for another two years. As Toyota said the oil consumption rate was “within acceptable range” they didn’t do anything about it when the warranty was still active. Being old school, I finally felt that a quart vanishing every 500 miles was a sign of eminent failure, so we sold the car for very little to a friend (for their teenage son) with total disclosure about why we were getting rid of it at 189K miles. He’s kept a very close eye on the oil as we instructed, and seven years (and a massive number of miles) later he’s still loving that car and had zero trouble with it aside from buying oil all the time. So if you have this engine and “over-maintain it” as you said (keep a very close eye on it and accept extra oil consumption & more frequent changes) don’t freak out about the vanishing oil. Thanks for mentioning the catalytic converter clog. Hopefully w/his being a Camry (not RAV4) he won’t have to replace that.
Gettings from Romania, you are the sole reason why my 2018 Lexus IS300 300h (which has the 2ar-fse) gets an oil change every 10K km. You mentioned that in around 2012, the 2ar got some updates. Could you maybe mention in a video what exactly was changed?
My 2.4 in my 012 XB . Oil burner now . Change the plugs & new PCV . Did improve the oil issue. Next is decarb the motor/ clean throttle body . Using 5-20 right now . Might switch to 5-30 ? Fuel economy has drastically increased however.
This is a good video to give you my thanks, AMD. I've got a 2010 Prius(😱)with 90k miles. I was doing the bad oil changes(13-16mo/11k) before I found your videos a couple years ago. Because of them, I caught any issues before the rings locked up and I started burning oil. I had the dealership run a strong oil detergent through at around 75k as part of a big maintenance service(engine/trans/cooling), and I've been religious about oil changes ever since(Pennzoil Ultra Platinum). I'm trading it off in about a week for a brand new Prius, but now I can feel good about handing off a Toyota that should have another 200k or more left on the ICE drivetrain(based on testing, the hybrid battery probably has about 8 years left if well treated - I also added the OEM retrofit battery vent filter you recommended for the early gen3s).
I have this exact car.. Same engine, same color, same year 2011.. Have owned since new.. Current mileage 129k.. Full synthetic oil changes every 5k miles and so far no issue with burning oil..Brief history on this car it did develop a cold start engine rattle (camshaft timing gear) which was repaired under warranty 8 years ago in 2015.. It also had a peeling paint issue which was repaired/repainted in December 2022 at no charge to me.. I posted videos covering each of these repairs.. Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) which covered the cold start rattle is T-SB-0041-13.. Peeling paint issue was covered by a Customer Support Program for certain vehicles painted with Blizzard Pearl White or Super White Paint..
In my experience the 2ar is surprisingly resilient to oil burning, both parents don’t change there oil very well and both still don’t burn much oil, only about a quart every 5k miles. My mother had once not changed the oil in her 2013 for 30k miles, granted it was highway miles but still that’s an absurd amount of time to go over. That’s when the oil burning started and it still doesn’t burn too much. Try that with a 2L turbo Mercedes or Audi! I’ve also tried some oil cleaners now and will see what the results are
It’s wild to me seeing Toyota owners insist that level of consumption “isn’t that much”. You know how much oil my Fords burn between changes? Hint: it’s zero.
@@bradwart don’t really care about your ford, for such lack of maintenance that the Toyota only burns at most a quart per oil change vs a ford where the engine likely will have been blown at that point is an obvious sign of the quality in Toyota products
@@bradwart how old where they, cus fords newer stuff is pretty much all garbage, especially there escapes which is the direct competitor to the rav4 and the escapes are complete garbage, and most rav4s of this age are capable of well over 200k miles
low tension piston rings were attributed to the oil consumption, it was addressed under a customer satisfaction program by Toyota.. the y replaced piston sets in cars that consumed more than 1 quart within 1200 miles
I got the same car and in the same boat. But watch the video but I don't recall him mentioning the price of the small block, do you know the price? I found a short block from Toyota online but I don't know if it's a good deal.
My wife's 2010 RAV with the 2AR has 205000 miles. I've been religious about changing the oil roughly every 5,000 miles. The majority of the miles were when she commuted 100 miles round trip three days a week (highway). I would push it to 7500 sometimes during that time, but never more than that. Now her commute is about 10 miles and as soon as that "MAINT REQD" light turns solid, I change the oil and filter. It doesn't burn any oil. It'll get a slight dark haze on the rear bumper between car washes, but no measurable loss of oil. Every 5000 miles...he's not kidding. Do it!
Oil and oil changes appear to be a mystery to most folks. Many will get their oil changed and not even know what or why it is done. Ask them and they will say, "The dealer said to do this every X-number of miles or time". Dealer (hopefully) said to read and under the owner's manual. Most people can tell you it's in the glove box but they've never looked at it. It's really good that experienced mechanics, like yourself are around to help these folks through the day. Great video!
The industry makes it a mystery. Owners manual says one thing. Bottle says another. Internet says another. Most people are not car enthusiasts and don't care (and don't want to care) about oil. They don't want to be bothered about it just like you don't want to be bothered about things you don't care about. For most people, cars are just a tool to get from A to B. It's just that many can't afford a brand new dealer-maintained car every 3 years.
Those quick lube places probably use the cheapest bulk oil they can find 😮 Even the dealerships uses bulk oil, so there's no way to know if they're cutting corners. Their main goal is to sell you a new car, not ensuring your old car lasts 200-300k miles without major repairs.
You spend the little extra on synthetic fluids, the friction in the pistons probably would not have been a problem with synthetic. I would go to a mechanic with a reputation over chain lube with low paid employees, you know you get a good job and actually get synthetic oil. You could go 5000 miles between changes if you drive enough and are better off than 2 changes of generic oil.
I would’ve liked to seen the spark plugs/know if they were the originals. Something definitely smells that this engine either overheated and/or had misfires at some point
Oh no!!! Not what I wanted to see....I have the exact same RAV, same color, too. Mine is a 2012. I bought it in 2016 with 16,000 miles on it. I am religious about service and have the oil changed every 5,000 miles with full synthetic oil, brake fluid every three years, coolant at appropriate intervals, tans/4x4 fluid, too. It's got 140,000 miles on it now. I don't think it has a consumption problem, but will be on the lookout after watching this video. Thank you!
All you have to do is replace the word "RAV4" with "Prius" (for those same years) and you have basically the same video. Sounds like the factory had dropped the ball on rings and pistons in those years no matter what engine you had.
3:00 2AR-FE 2.5L 4 cylinder in the (2009 - 2012 Rav 4 biggest offender of oil burning) Earliest revision. 4:15 Toyota Camry oil burning model years with the 2AR-FE 4 cylinder engine, ( 2009 - 2011) Earliest revision. 5:00 Engines/models with this problem being seen almost weekly. 6:30 Second revision of this engine can still have this problem.
Great format! Your narrations are packed w/good information. Videos I’ve watched where the host mentions the size of the wrench used on every fastener are monotonous. I’ve always found the wrench that fits it the one to use ;)
Very interesting to hear that they changed every 5000 miles. I was listening to David Chao talk about oil change intervals with the Nissan GTR lead engineer this week. He was recommending 3000 mile oil changes. I feel like the timing chains are almost always still good on the other engines you have rebuilt. I wonder if it overheated at some point? Thanks for the awesome content!
@@jml9550 He was giving advice for all cars. Just cool info from a guy who knows a ton about engines and I was kind of surprised by the lower number. I think he was speaking in terms of making your engine last 200-400K miles. I did 5000 mile oil changes on my last Lexus and it lasted 18 years and 200k miles so no complaints from me. But I'm thinking of dropping my current Lexus to 4000 ish.
It depends. What's considered normal varies wildly. But, if you drive city, lots of stop and go, short trips then 3000 miles is good. AMD mentioned that couple of years ago.
@@briankalagher6687 good information. On our 3 Lexuses, I always do an oil change after 1k miles, then every 6 months after that. Mobil 1 and Toyota OEM filter only, no exception. Our oldest is an 08RX350 158K miles and still runs like a champ. The ‘17 ES350 just hits 38K miles and just did our 24 NX350H oil change at 1K miles last week. I will keep the 6 months intervals on all our cars.
I have the exact same Rav4. I’m sitting in my shop watching the video doing my 5000 mile full synthetic oil change using Toyota filter… I drive 65 miles round trip to work everyday! It uses no oil between oil changes….. oils cheap change it
I have a 2010 Camry w same motor. Change every 5-7000 miles. Use synthetic 0-20 and usually buy Supertech or what is on sale. Car has 210,000 miles. Does not appear to be burning oil. Bought it 6 years ago w 60K.
Owner makes a lot of sense. If they have no other issues with the car it toally makes sense to just pay the price to fix a car they know will do what they need it to do.
Just noticed this engine was used in the TC of every gen starting back in 2004. Have seen many of those engines burn out with neglect and lack of topping oil off. My friend who did 5k intervals never had an issue with his 05 TC.
I had 02 Camry 4cyn, 5speed manual transmission. It was made in Japan. I put 300,000 miles on it when I sold it. It never used any oil. I changed with full synthetic mobile 1,every 5000 miles or less. Never used any oil . As a matter a fact never did anything except battery and tires .
Great video. I think the biggest issue with the oil changes comes down to driving habits. I put Walmart or whatever the cheapest bundle at the auto store is in my vehicles and have been doing so for 20+ years and have never had a problem. When I married my wife she had just picked up a 2013 RAV4 and I’ve done all the maintenance myself. About to cross 200k and it runs like a top, just like my 275k Honda, my 350k Dodge (Cummins), and my now sold 360k Ford. I do what the manual says or 6 months whichever comes first. The only car I was super picky about oil with was my FD RX7 and I think that’s self explanatory why 😂
I still don't know why this particular engine (and the ones like it for the model years you mentioned) burned oil. You showed some wear or scuffing on the cylinder walls that may have allowed oil to get past the rings into the combustion chamber, but what is the culprit with these engines burning oil? What revisions did Toyota make to address this? Were the rings, valve stem seals, or head gaskets at fault? Regular oil changes have an impact but I cannot see Toyota making a revision because some owners do not change their engine oil when they should. Exactly which engine part is the culprit?
According to AMD(The Car Care Nut) the problem is caused by low tension oil control rings.If the oil is not changed at 5000 mile intervals (for all but the most ideal driving conditions),the oil control rings will begin to stick in the piston lands and will cause blow by into the crank case.This condition gets worse and worse until the cylinder walls start scuffing and eventually start gouging.He has several other videos that deal with this issue .Toyota is certainly not the only car company with this issue.The low tension rings (to save fuel) are the main culprit as I understand it.
You are right Rick, Toyota is not the only car company that has lowered the tension in the oil control rings in an effort to increase miles per gallon. The problem is this lessoning of tension may allow a small amount of oil to reach the combustion chamber & be burned along with the air/fuel mixture. These days car manufacturers are stating that a loss of a quart or so of engine oil between changes is "normal". Since when? I have a 2011 CRV that does not burn/lose any oil between changes. Throttle by wire, push button start, switch operated shifters, CVT transmissions, direct fuel injection, all come at a price. @@Rick-62tr3b
I'm wondering if the owner *really* knows if the oil was truly changed every 5k miles. If he did it himself, like I do, then it's true. Otherwise, I think this is the source of the issue. I personally changed the oil on my 04 Scion xb every 5k miles, and it never burned 1 drop of oil.
@@khakiswag If he didn't personally do the oil changes, then he doesn't *actually* know if it was changed. It's like the "lifetime" transmission fluid when the vehicle has no dipstick. If they change it, how do you know they did it? My guess, given the hassle, is some service locations will lie and just say it was done. This is not an unusual occurrence, unfortunately. I've seen women and the elderly get taken advantage of too many times.
@@khakiswag Not trying to be argumentative here, but what other explanation is there? While the Car Care Nut has more experience in 1 year than I have in my lifetime, what oil that presumably meets the Toyota spec cause this? Oil is very good today regardless of the brand. Again, this is just a curious question. I'm not trying to be a jerk.
I have a 2011 Rav4 with this engine and its at 180k mile and still runs great no burning oil. Only things I have ever had to replace are coolant hose and brakes. Will keep this car forever as a spare car.
I rant like a psychopath to friends and family about 10000 mile oil changes. If you need to keep a vehicle longer than 5 years or 75k miles you MUST do 5000 mile oil changes at least. Those 10k mile oil changes are designed for what the "manufacturer" considers the lifespan of the car which is usually 3-5 years and 60 - 80k miles. Same with "lifetime" transmission and diff fluids. Change those both at least every 60k miles.
The 10,000 mile oil change isn’t the sole problem. Toyota even states in the manual that under certain conditions the oil needs to be changed at 5,000 miles, but nobody reads the manual. The problem is Toyota’s use of a cheap mileage counter maintenance reminder. I had a Acura that went to 218,000 mikes on 10K oil changes with no oil burning issues. But Honda uses a algorithm to calculate when it needs changing based on sensor input and driving style. I did a 90 mile daily commute, mostly highway, and that is the perfect condition for long oil change intervals and the “Maintenance due soon” message came on right at 9,500 miles every time. My Ford truck has a similar system but I don’t drive it nearly as much and the “change oil soon” message usually pops up in the 7K range.
Don’t get me wrong. I love Toyotas. Our family has owned 8 or more total Toyota and Lexus model without major issues. Although, Toyotas are not all sunshine and roses folks..
"And by investigate, I mean let's put this car on the lift, let's remove the engine, let's tear it apart .... " I love this channel!
I use to be a Toyota service advisor and manager. One thing I can tell you is never change your oil at 10k mile intervals. 5k with full synthetic oil is the best solution. Also these low tension piston rings are garbage.
I have done many of these engines and can tell you that while this is not a good issue for Toyota they are not the only ones. I would still drive this vehicle over any domestic or German vehicle.
One thing you should really be telling people is to not trust anything anybody at the dealer tells you unless you are under warranty 😂
@@user-lp9ye1po3wbut they might lie to get you past warranty period
My father once told my “nothing good is cheap or nothing cheap is good” if you need something to last you need to maintain it properly that’s why I agree with you on using original parts and good fluids.
Same with internet brides. If they are parked at the kerb with their keys in ready to go........ look out ! Never marry anyone until you have gotten em drunk a couple of times... 2 quarts of IPA should do it... So learn from my lot, which I know you will not, and learn about women from me..
@Paper Tiger Exacly for example my car 2010 Audi A4 b8 1.8 TFSI, the OEM engine mounts cost 250$ each.
They are made for Audi by Lemforder if you buy them directly from Lemforder they cost 80$(they are exacly the same parts, the one i bought were diffrent only in one think-they had AUDI logo scraped off)
There is rearly a think in which the OEM part is better at but it always cost 2-5x more than good brand replacement part.
yeah on a computer or what ever its different but on a car you spend near 20k on its not worth fucking around to save 20$ per oil chance or $100 per year on not changing oil for it to sludge up or overheat from lack of coolant or old coolant etc.
I have a 2zz celica and thrash the fuck out of it but change the oil every 7,000KM with full synthetic oil for piece of mind. have had the valve cover off and looks like the previous owner may of let it varnish a bit but scared to do engine flush incase a leak develops
@@atom608 you something my friend ! I agree some cars no matter how much you spend on maintenance and care of it they still give troubles.
There is an old russian saying "The cheapskate pays double"
The narrated time laps are the best.
Lapse*
He has a great voice for the narration. Watching the engine tear down and rebuild videos remind me of watching a nature documentary. Fascinating to watch and listen to.
I AGREE! WELL DONE!
Lime taps, I like it when the camera is sped up, allowing us to enjoy lime soda straight from it's taps, so that visual info is condensed into a much shorter time frame! 😊
Love me some popcorn
$7k and you get a video of proof of the repair on RUclips … worth it 👌🏽 new subscriber
for that money the engine should be coated in gold
I started watching your channel shortly after I purchased my 2020 4Runner. I have always taken good care of my cars and do my own maintenance whenever possible. Thank you for being so informative and teaching even more things to consider when working on my car. Because of you, I faithfully change my oil every 5k miles. I so appreciate your honesty and integrity. May God bless you and your family.
Or 6 months. Whichever comes first.
You are a smart person! If you change it @ 5K miles on a regular basis, you will get 300K+ on the motor. Just don't forget to change tranny fluid & radiator fluid, and that 4Runner will last you 20K+ years.
I’ve had my T100 for 25 years, ten of them with an overdriven TRD SC Gen4. An injector stuck closed, and I burned an exhaust valve nearly in half when I finally opened it up to look. It could have made it a lot further than the 287k it had, but I have a habit of over modifying and abusing everything I drive. Luckily, I LOVE tearing them down and rebuilding them as much as I love driving them…
I’m also a stickler for daily oil level checks, and the A340E transmission is still shifting nicely because it has been drained and refilled every other year, at 30k.
Customer's rationale for going ahead with this repair makes a lot of sense to me, particularly in the current used car market.
i have a 2011 camry with the 2.5. Never burned a drop of oil, I have religiously followed 5,000 mile interval oil changes. If the motor has been well maintained you are not going to have any issues. One of the most bullet proof engines Toyota has ever produced.
Had a 2011 also, albeit in stick. Sad I wrecked it at 232k. No oil burning. First 100k or so was 10k oci on TGMO, then at some point ai switched to 5W30 but still 10k, finally down to 5k. I suspect the engine would be fine with 10k on 0W20 even after 200k, but I wanted longer life. Sadly it wasn’t in the cards.
Good motor. Hoping the later A25A works as well.
Not true, I have same Camry and been changing oil every 5,000 miles with Mobil 1 and it’s burning oil!! Toyota dropped the ball on this one and refused to stand behind their product period….
@@supton1532 not all 10k intervals are the same. When there is an engine hour counter in one of the modules you get a far better data set. I see vehicles with 10 k changes but odo divided by engine hours is over 40 14:25 (mph effectively) the issues are negligible. I see 5k changed vejicles.with loads of engine issues and odo/hour shows 27 mph due to lots of idle. Remote start is great for my business and bad for your wallet when you own that vehicle past 90k miles.
@@mikek.9980 What year?
could perhaps be a manufacturing defect
@@therevx5225 2011. Toyota messed up the rings and pistons. The corrected pistons have bigger oil collection holes to prevent a build up. Prior version engine owners sued Toyota and they finally decided to cover it under extended warranty. But nobody suing them for 2AR-FE so no extended warranty.....I was a loyal Toyota customer but for my next car I will consider Honda.
You have a high skill set. Not all shops and mechanics can operate at your level of expertise and professionalism. Your an honest businessman who needs to make a living and pay your employeess...That's why God has blessed you and the community you serve. Wish there were more businessmen like you!
On a long trip, when everything is nice and hot, you can barely hear the 2ar fe running at idle. Sometimes I have to press my ear up to the car to even hear if anything is making a noise. For context, I can hear a Prius pull up on my driveway clearer than this engine at idle. It truly is a gem and I'm taking care of mine!
On my Buick I sometimes couldn't tell if it was running or not when the radio was on 😆. It had really good engine mounts for a 20 year old car
Had a 2010 Camry with this engine. Noticed it burning oil at around 165k miles. I had bought it from my dad at 135k miles but he did his oil changes every 6-8k miles. I always do mine at 5k. It’s a damn shame for such a good car. Got a Mazda cx5 and sold the Camry to my brother for cheap as a second car, to last as long as it can.
Yea ours started around 160k. Our Cx5 has 160k miles and has been way more reliable than that old 08 Camry.
I had a 2010 RAV4 (white color that was pealing) with this 2.5 litre motor. Just sold it in 2022 with about 150,000 miles. One major issue was the rattling noise from the VVTI right after purchasing in 2010 (covered by warranty). I religiously changed the oil and didn’t experience oil burning issues. The only other issues that I had before selling it was rear wheel bearings and a minor oil leak, like a drop possibly from valve cover or rear main seal. Overall, it was a great vehicle for the 12 years we owned.
I had the same VVT-I rattle on my ‘12 Highlander. Drove with the cold start rattle for 75K miles. The dealership couldn’t figure it out as they told us. We finally got it resolved at 175K miles during a timing belt change. Still driving at 211K miles.
Our family friend has 2010 Rav4 4 cylinder engine. Vehicle has a bit over 100k miles and doesn't seem to burn any measurable amount of oil. He does change oil every 4k miles though with synthetic blend, I believe. No strange noises under the hood even when starting the car cold. We did have to replace rear wheel passenger side bearing couple of years ago. Additionally there was some sort of a coolant hose leak and Toyota parts guy said it is common and had the part in stock.
I’m buying my gf’s 2010 Camry that she inherited from her mother that purchased new. She maintained for her mom and continued to when she got it. Changed oil every 3k miles since new and the car hasn’t had any issues and I will continue the maintenance. It has 164k on the clock. I’ve had a couple Toyota’s here Down Under and currently have a 97 4wd Rav4 that has 265k kilometres, 165k miles and is going well still.
My Camry hybrid has 467,356 miles.
I’ve got 230,000 on my 2013 Camry. Change oil every 5k miles. No oil consumption.
This channel is both knowledge, therapy, and heartwarming to know that there are excellent mechanics (humans) out there. I love this guy.
I had a 2011 Camry with this engine, and experienced a lot of oil usage, and then the catalytic converter became clogged. I changed my oil regularly, but not as often as recommended. I wish I'd known about The Car Care Nut a lot sooner.
My 2011 Camry burned 1 quart of oil every 800 miles by the time I sold it to CarMax in 2021.
Wow, I think I just found the best car channel on RUclips.
The newest version (2018) of the 2.5 seems to be a really great engine! Many Uber drivers out there with 250k + and no oil consumption. Change your oil regularly, and don't use cheap oil. Those quick lube places probably use the cheapest bulk oil they can find 😮
They really perfect it
I love the newer 2.5 dynamic Force engine.
40 mpg hwy! ❤
Probably? They absolutely do. Many don’t even change your oil filter and some don’t even change your oil.
2.5 toyota engine produced after 2017, these all engines have knocking noise, very disgusting sound when you trying to rev between 2000 4000rpm making rattle like pinging knocking noise, horrible horrible shame to toyota. I'm telling you guys who have this engine just try to rev up to 4,500rpm and you will hear that disgusting knocking noise,
Hhrrrrrrrr hrrrrrrrrrrr
In some vehicles just changing the PCV valve will stop oil consumption. That said, my dad got over 300,000 miles on his 1963 Buick Electra 225 by changing the oil every 2,000 miles with Mobil Oil. The Electra 225 ran perfectly when parked, we just didn't need it anymore!
I loved the 225, I learned how to drive in one in 1973. Drivers Ed class in high school.😊
The 2AZ(5W-20 revision) and the (early)2AR's issue isn't a PCV issue. The oil control rings are prone to getting stuck in the lands. And the sure way to cause that to happen is do 6000+ mile oil changes. Everyone should always use the severe use OCI. 90%+ of cars actually fall into it. And if you actually read your manuals you will see the severe schedule is always half the touted oil change interval.
2010 toyota camry LE owner here with the 2.5 4 cylinder 2AR-FE engine. I am very dilligent about following your advice on everything AMD. My 2010 camry now is approaching 81,000 kilometers. It only had 71,000 kilometers on it at the end of november 2023 when i bought it from an 83 year old lady who was the original owner. I get my oil changed before 5000 mile intervals. I am having the 6 speed automatic transmission fluid changed very soon. I already had the coolant/antifreeze replaced with new super long life toyota coolant/antifreeze. The car currently has the ABS and stabillity control lights lit up on the dash... i am having a diagnostic scan done very soon for this issue. Keep up the great video content AMD !!!! I love your honesty and your ability to explain things to people in the simplest possible terms,so that everyone can understand whatever topic you are explaining ! Thanks again .... from a loyal subscriber in northeastern ontario, canada ! P.S. : I will be getting the engine serpentine belt and the A/C belt replaced in the near future.
I had a 2008 Rav4. I had the recall done at a Toyota dealer. Video on my channel. I drove it until I had a guy pull out in front of me and the car was totalled. It didn't burn any oil after Toyota replaced the oil burning burning issue. I purchased a 2017 Rav4 and have over 186000 miles on it and it's been a great car. Thank you for making these videos.
You put on 30k miles a year? That's impressive
@@melvingibson4525 Yes alot of highway driving.
@@melvingibson4525but I don't know how it's humanly possible for the one 1960s Volvo owner who put 3 million miles on his from new. I mean he did have several decades to do that but still all those miles driven 🤯. I recall in an interview somebody said he drove over 10,000 on one of the first weekends he got the car. Or some other crazy number.
@@zzoinks That was one guy that was involved in maintaining this Volvo and he said not all of the story was true. You can find it online if you interested.
no matter how many jobs you do, your heart always skips a few beats when you start the car after any repair...it just goes with the territory....doesn't matter if you change the oil or replace the motor, 30 yrs later, it still skips a beat...great job
For the money, it's a fantastic job performed on this car. I like your logic of spending time looking over the rest of the car to justify the expense for the engine replacement. Very good job AMD!
With time and/or mileage proper maintenance, I hope this vehicle goes at least 200,000 on the engine!
I would be surprised if that engine didn't last for at least 200,000 miles.
I only drove my 77 Corolla liftback to work and back for ten years,
had under 200,000 on it, but it never stranded me once. You can't
beat Toyota's for reliability.
@@geofffikar3417 newer Toyotas are FAR away from the reliability of 77 Corollas. Toyota's today are plagued with issues suchs as in their 2GR which affect most vehicles and those are all expensive ENGINE OUT jobs. Also all their blocks are disposable if something happens 8/9k on a new block. Rather buy a Manual Honda and save me the engine out repair bills.
@@ToyotaAristo Whatever happened to Toyota?
lol, i'm almost at 500k miles on the 2az-fe '09 camry (original eng and auto-trans) and 300k miles on '14 scion tc 2ar-fe (manual-trans , and about to replace transmission)
This is one of the things that makes me crazy about lexus. They didn’t want to change our oil until we hit 16000kms (10,000miles). Even though we had ECP and prepaid maintenance we had to pay to get the oil changed after 6 months. We are retired and we mostly drive short trips. It’s pennywise and pound foolish.
Its a plot to make your engine die faster!!!
That's crazy long...I would push past 6k miles especially you drive short distances most of time. There will be a mix of gasoline in you engine oil. You need to remove that. Imagine how much gas mixture is in there when you hit 10k miles. Yikes
OCI always have a time component as well as distance, so if you do low miles, dealers have to abide by the OCI time component and change the oil and filter even if the distance criteria isn't met.
@@petesmittwhat’s OCI
@@cavvvyr7021 OCI stands for "Oil Change Interval"
Amazing video. I love your thought process Ahmed. You are truly are a priceless automotive technician. I wish I had some one like you telling me that the rest of the car is falling apart before I decide to replace the engine. Long ago, when I was an ignorant fool with cars, I had replaced an engine only to find that I have a Hollywood chair at the shop with never ending repairs after. Thanks again for sharing the Car Care Nut ethic! God bless brother.
In other words, you became a preferred customer.
😉 Love the "Hollywood chair at the shop" reference! ❤️ 👍📌
@@8avexp they even put my name on the chair 😊.
I agree with the owner’s logic here, especially in his case where he’s the original owner, maintained it overall until it reached this point. I’m a 2nd owner of a 2007 RAV4 w/the oil burning issue. I just keep the oil level right, especially now that my nephew is currently using it. TCCN videos rock 👍🏻
I have a 2008 v6 rav4 w 260,000 miles and it burns oils, about a quart between oil changes
Hello Sir .I am watching your videos on daily basis.I can to tell you that Toyota should pay you tons of money for representing their company and for teaching technicians how to work on Toyota product .You are hands down the best teacher on the net .Calm voice without stupid music or screeming to the microphone .that is exactly how instructional videos should look a like .👏👏👍
2013 RAV4 here, original owner. 1st oil change at 2k miles, 2nd at 5k miles and every 5k miles after that. Started with Mobil1 but have been using Costco (Kirkland 0w20) for the last 50k miles or so. Car has 135k miles right now and does not burn any oil.
Good to know. I just bought a 2013 rav4 and use the Costco oil as well.
I am an original owner of a 2009 Rav4. Has 176,000 miles. At about 150,000 miles it started burning oil. I am a diy so changed oil every 5,000 miles. I couldn't determine why it burns oil but this video answered that question. Burn about 1 quart every 4,000 miles so that's not too concern yet.
$7k... you know what you have. I would do it also based on the circumstances. Used car prices are insanely high. Love your vids. Keep them coming.
I have two cars with the earlier 2AZFE. One has a valve seal issue and has made a puff of smoke on startup for the last 16 years. Neither consumes excessive oil. The 2006 Highlander with 192,000 miles would consume a half quart in 5000 miles if driven at 80 MPH for extended times, but normally is on the full mark at OCI. The 2003 Camry that smokes on startup has never had oil added in 120,000 miles
Thank you for this video, going to be taking a warrantied 2AR (timing cover gasket leak) and rebuilding it for an MR2 Spyder swap. This content gives me the perfect step by step on tearing down and reassembly with bonus points for Amd ASMR!
I have a 4 cyl 2010 Camry SE that i bought new in 2009. It currently has 215,000 miles and uses less than a quart every 5,000 miles. My son has been driving it in college the last few years and I remind him to keep an eye on it. I've changed the oil with synthetic ever since it was new every 5,000-6,000 miles. I hope the car makes it another 2 years.
Great vid…..I had this rapid oil-burning issue on a Camry, and was VERY disappointed with Toyota. No recall, no service support….abandoned by Toyota. Thanks for your narrative on this job. 👍
@tom o 2007
Excellent video ! My ‘13 Camry XLE , 130K miles, goes from oil change to the next one without even top off 😃 I do my oil change every 5k(service light on) and use only synthetic Mobil 1 high mileage EP 😁
I still have my 2009 Camry Hbrid (2AR-FXE) and was fortunate enough to have the pistons and rings replaced during the TSB campaign several years ago. Hasn't burned a drop since. Thanks to this channel, I do the oil changes and most of its maintenance. Now I just need a tire machine and a way to program the TPM sensors :)
What about a 6cyc 2007-2011 Camry? You also says that to avoid 2007-2011 Camry.
I am very fortunate I live in a small town in Oklahoma . There are four gas stations that have regular gas. I never use anything except pure gasoline.
I absolutely love these videos, professionalism at its finest!! I would rather watch these than the junk that’s on the tv
I have a 2012 Toyota Camry with 400000 miles and would love to bring to this guy. So hard to find honest mechanic in my area.
Whoever is servicing it now is doing just fine of a job.
Honestly I’ve had no major problems until the last 30000 miles (cold start rattle), just changed oil as recommended.
Where do you buy gasoline for it?
@@gregjohnson2073 mainly name brands like shell and marathon. I try to stay away from places like Walmart and others who sell gas at cheap price.
@@mikes6458 keep in mind a cold start rattle can be, not always but can be, a sign that timing chain guides have worn and that the sound is actually the timing chain. It WILL fail eventually if that's what you have going on. Good job on service and keep in mind your best oil filter is often your best air filter.
Thanks for reiterating the importance of timely oil changes.. and a good brand of oil as well
Well this warning is too late for me, but I’d rather know to be alert for the potential problem. So far, so good on a 2011 Camry. I’m forcing myself to go old school and check my oil every stop to get gas. Always clean and full. However, the records from original owner show he bought into 10,000 mile synthetic oil change for first 40,000 miles. I change it every 5000. Thanks for the video.
Great video as always , you are my go to mechanic on RUclips anything dealing with Toyota’s ,really enjoy your expertise on these common issues on different models , be waiting on the next video 👁️👁️!!
I did this job to my 2009 Camry around 500,000 kilometers, but i had a very good machining shop near me that machined the cylinders and replaced the pistons and rings with bigger diameter ones from Japan, now just passed 780,000 km with no oil leaking problems. not planning to stop using it ( goal is 1 M 😅). 33:50
Agreed! The voiceovers are appreciated. I’m sure it adds time for you, but the quality is there.
Amazing. What a journey . Beautifully done . So happy with my service earlier this month . I’ll always get my cars to you
That owner’s logic to spend so much money was very sound. If I was on that position I would to the same. We love your honesty and can only pray to find a mechanic with your work ethic.
I have the same engine in my 2010 Toyota Camry. 248,000 miles plus and no oil leaks. Change my oil every 5,000 miles with a quality Toyota OEM oil filter and quality 0W-20 Full Synthetic Motor Oil. No issues. It doesn't burn any oil at all!!
You're great at helping people understand the math of car issues, swaps, investment etc. It's really complicated and different for everyone depending on their needs and skills. Great channel.
The issue is simple, maintenence. The oil to use is Mobil 1. They make the toyota genuine oil for these engines. The varnish could mean different things, but likely sludge sat in there a while. The 2az had the same issue, and its indeed the scraper ring. They did a new design and it gets gunked. The 2az had a one piece design at first. On original parts, you need to change every 5k miles, but also add an oil cleaner additive before you do. Some additives stay the life of the oil, some should be in the last few hundred miles. Now, I've also heard that some people attach a bracket to the oil pan with a magnet in it, to catch any metal that gets in. It's not entirely necessary, but you actually never know when metal just begins to fail.
The other thing is that if you're ever in the engine, DO NOT use the original rings. Rings come as kits, and dealers and mechanics will send you the same rings from the parts catalog. Yk, the ones with the defective oil ring. Aftermarket, in the case of the 2az at least, give you a traditional scraper ring.
If you're burning oil from overtightening your head bolts or overheating....well....oops. Ns300l or a shave I guess.
Boy we need more people like him have critical Thinking skill.common sense and superior logic.
I have a 2011 rav4 with this engine. Purchased it as a lease turn in with 45k miles . We still have this vehicle now has 156k miles . I have always changed the oil right on the 5k mile mark with mobile 1 . It doesn't use any oil . It's been a very good car .
I used to look at new cars thinking which ones I'd like to get when used some years down the road but with 10k mile oil changes I better save up for something new.
I use 'aftermarket' parts on my Toyotas, but the company that makes the original parts, the same that comes in the Toyota original part box. (Aisin water pump, Aisin oil pump, Denso coils, Denso air flow sensor, etc.)
so few drivers understand we ALL driving way deep into the Severe driving maintenance schedule and so few actually follow the interval and just do what the manufacturer says, no matter what any auto manufacturer says, 5,000 or less, you might push to 6,000 on synthetic, the but the whole 10,000-15,000 is a total scam for cars that are garage queens that only get driven only on the highway.
When I owned my Scion tC with the 2.4, I sent an oil sample to Blackstone Labs and they said I could push it to 8,000 and be ok, but it's just such a cheap investment to change the oil more often than trying to get longevity on oil changes.
You are not a drop in the bucket- You are the mechanic we all dream about Up front Knowledgeable - and approach the job as if it were your investment - Excellent Channel Excellent Man 👍
Great video. I have a 2009 Rav4 with the 2AR with 185,000 miles and it doesn't burn a drop of oil. Have changed the oil every 5,000 miles since new.
Just curious, was the 5,000 miles put on in less than 6 months?
@@terrysennhenn896 Yes, about every 5 months
Also, I've always used 5w 20 synthetic. The manual states both 5W and 0W-20 can be used
Where did you buy the fuel that you used for that car?
You are 1 big reason why I will hold on to my 2017 Camry .I learned so much on this motor platform
So even with the long 10,000 mile oil change interval this engine still goes 150,000 trouble free miles. Thats still impressive😉
Bought a 2003 camry with 2arfe, from an in law. This guy changed oil every 2000 miles, a fanatic. Today at 215000 miles zero oil consumption.
I so wish you were within a couple hours of me. I would be your customer for life. I really like the way you work on cars. You have a gift brother!
I have 2013 Toyota Highlander 4cylinder 2.7 and have 152k miles now he eat oil but not that much I change oil every 4-5k miles ever since I buy this brandnew and I have it 10cvs already and drive so smooth..just take care this Toyota engine and give you more and more miles.
I appreciate very much your detailed convencing informations regarding oil change intervals. My German Toyota Avensis 1.8 from 2008 runs like a Swiss clock with synthetic oil every six months. So no sludge inside the robust (Corolla) motor ist developing. 🎯
Loved to watch you do this job - EXCELLENT video. This is the video I’ve been waiting 7 years for. My wife bought her first brand new car in 2008: a 2009 Camry with this 4 cylinder engine. After about 6 years of meticulous maintenance (at around 110K miles) oil started vanishing. No leaks, no smoke coming out of the tailpipe, no change in performance. I kept watching the oil and adding oil in increasingly large amounts for another two years. As Toyota said the oil consumption rate was “within acceptable range” they didn’t do anything about it when the warranty was still active. Being old school, I finally felt that a quart vanishing every 500 miles was a sign of eminent failure, so we sold the car for very little to a friend (for their teenage son) with total disclosure about why we were getting rid of it at 189K miles. He’s kept a very close eye on the oil as we instructed, and seven years (and a massive number of miles) later he’s still loving that car and had zero trouble with it aside from buying oil all the time. So if you have this engine and “over-maintain it” as you said (keep a very close eye on it and accept extra oil consumption & more frequent changes) don’t freak out about the vanishing oil. Thanks for mentioning the catalytic converter clog. Hopefully w/his being a Camry (not RAV4) he won’t have to replace that.
Gettings from Romania, you are the sole reason why my 2018 Lexus IS300 300h (which has the 2ar-fse) gets an oil change every 10K km. You mentioned that in around 2012, the 2ar got some updates. Could you maybe mention in a video what exactly was changed?
My 2.4 in my 012 XB . Oil burner now . Change the plugs & new PCV . Did improve the oil issue. Next is decarb the motor/ clean throttle body . Using 5-20 right now . Might switch to 5-30 ? Fuel economy has drastically increased however.
This is a good video to give you my thanks, AMD. I've got a 2010 Prius(😱)with 90k miles. I was doing the bad oil changes(13-16mo/11k) before I found your videos a couple years ago. Because of them, I caught any issues before the rings locked up and I started burning oil. I had the dealership run a strong oil detergent through at around 75k as part of a big maintenance service(engine/trans/cooling), and I've been religious about oil changes ever since(Pennzoil Ultra Platinum). I'm trading it off in about a week for a brand new Prius, but now I can feel good about handing off a Toyota that should have another 200k or more left on the ICE drivetrain(based on testing, the hybrid battery probably has about 8 years left if well treated - I also added the OEM retrofit battery vent filter you recommended for the early gen3s).
I have this exact car.. Same engine, same color, same year 2011.. Have owned since new.. Current mileage 129k.. Full synthetic oil changes every 5k miles and so far no issue with burning oil..Brief history on this car it did develop a cold start engine rattle (camshaft timing gear) which was repaired under warranty 8 years ago in 2015.. It also had a peeling paint issue which was repaired/repainted in December 2022 at no charge to me.. I posted videos covering each of these repairs.. Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) which covered the cold start rattle is T-SB-0041-13.. Peeling paint issue was covered by a Customer Support Program for certain vehicles painted with Blizzard Pearl White or Super White Paint..
In my experience the 2ar is surprisingly resilient to oil burning, both parents don’t change there oil very well and both still don’t burn much oil, only about a quart every 5k miles. My mother had once not changed the oil in her 2013 for 30k miles, granted it was highway miles but still that’s an absurd amount of time to go over. That’s when the oil burning started and it still doesn’t burn too much. Try that with a 2L turbo Mercedes or Audi! I’ve also tried some oil cleaners now and will see what the results are
It’s wild to me seeing Toyota owners insist that level of consumption “isn’t that much”.
You know how much oil my Fords burn between changes?
Hint: it’s zero.
@Graymane Shadow same my 98 nissan .
@@bradwart don’t really care about your ford, for such lack of maintenance that the Toyota only burns at most a quart per oil change vs a ford where the engine likely will have been blown at that point is an obvious sign of the quality in Toyota products
@@hayden93 both of them had more miles than this Rav4, lol.
@@bradwart how old where they, cus fords newer stuff is pretty much all garbage, especially there escapes which is the direct competitor to the rav4 and the escapes are complete garbage, and most rav4s of this age are capable of well over 200k miles
low tension piston rings were attributed to the oil consumption, it was addressed under a customer satisfaction program by Toyota.. the y replaced piston sets in cars that consumed more than 1 quart within 1200 miles
Great Video. Stopped me from buying a 2011 Toyota RAV4 with the 2AR-FE engine with 160k miles on it. Research is the key when buying a used vehicle.
My 2012 scion xB burns 1qt/500 miles. After watching your videos I'm considering replacing the short block myself
I got the same car and in the same boat. But watch the video but I don't recall him mentioning the price of the small block, do you know the price? I found a short block from Toyota online but I don't know if it's a good deal.
My wife's 2010 RAV with the 2AR has 205000 miles. I've been religious about changing the oil roughly every 5,000 miles. The majority of the miles were when she commuted 100 miles round trip three days a week (highway). I would push it to 7500 sometimes during that time, but never more than that. Now her commute is about 10 miles and as soon as that "MAINT REQD" light turns solid, I change the oil and filter. It doesn't burn any oil. It'll get a slight dark haze on the rear bumper between car washes, but no measurable loss of oil. Every 5000 miles...he's not kidding. Do it!
Oil and oil changes appear to be a mystery to most folks. Many will get their oil changed and not even know what or why it is done. Ask them and they will say, "The dealer said to do this every X-number of miles or time". Dealer (hopefully) said to read and under the owner's manual. Most people can tell you it's in the glove box but they've never looked at it. It's really good that experienced mechanics, like yourself are around to help these folks through the day. Great video!
The industry makes it a mystery. Owners manual says one thing. Bottle says another. Internet says another. Most people are not car enthusiasts and don't care (and don't want to care) about oil. They don't want to be bothered about it just like you don't want to be bothered about things you don't care about. For most people, cars are just a tool to get from A to B. It's just that many can't afford a brand new dealer-maintained car every 3 years.
@@MikeKayK 👍🙂
Those quick lube places probably use the cheapest bulk oil they can find 😮 Even the dealerships uses bulk oil, so there's no way to know if they're cutting corners. Their main goal is to sell you a new car, not ensuring your old car lasts 200-300k miles without major repairs.
I'm so thankful for your teachings. We are looking for a used Toyota and I've been watching all your videos. Praise the LORD! 🕊
You spend the little extra on synthetic fluids, the friction in the pistons probably would not have been a problem with synthetic. I would go to a mechanic with a reputation over chain lube with low paid employees, you know you get a good job and actually get synthetic oil. You could go 5000 miles between changes if you drive enough and are better off than 2 changes of generic oil.
I would’ve liked to seen the spark plugs/know if they were the originals. Something definitely smells that this engine either overheated and/or had misfires at some point
I almost regretted getting rid of our 2012 RAV4 about 5 years ago. Knowing about this oil burning issue, now I'm glad we did!
I love pennzoil platinum ultra synthetic.
Wonder what oil he use Mobil one lol or maybe recycle oil
I always use Mobil 1. Oil change every 6 months.
@@andersonrodriguez8258 yeah they used mobile one at my dealership but I stopped after the free oil changes 👊🏻😁
What's wrong with Mobil 1? AMD has said Mobil 1 is the maker of Toyota brand oil.
@@FrankySilverFace nothing I just had better results with pennzoil ultra platinum
I use the factory yota oil every 6 months on my 21 tundra. Only put ab 7 k a year on her.
Love this truck!
Love the content, always answering questions I didn't even know I had. Yeah! why is it burning oil :)
Oh no!!! Not what I wanted to see....I have the exact same RAV, same color, too. Mine is a 2012. I bought it in 2016 with 16,000 miles on it. I am religious about service and have the oil changed every 5,000 miles with full synthetic oil, brake fluid every three years, coolant at appropriate intervals, tans/4x4 fluid, too. It's got 140,000 miles on it now. I don't think it has a consumption problem, but will be on the lookout after watching this video. Thank you!
All you have to do is replace the word "RAV4" with "Prius" (for those same years) and you have basically the same video. Sounds like the factory had dropped the ball on rings and pistons in those years no matter what engine you had.
3:00 2AR-FE 2.5L 4 cylinder in the (2009 - 2012 Rav 4 biggest offender of oil burning) Earliest revision.
4:15 Toyota Camry oil burning model years with the 2AR-FE 4 cylinder engine, ( 2009 - 2011) Earliest revision.
5:00 Engines/models with this problem being seen almost weekly.
6:30 Second revision of this engine can still have this problem.
Great format! Your narrations are packed w/good information. Videos I’ve watched where the host mentions the size of the wrench used on every fastener are monotonous. I’ve always found the wrench that fits it the one to use ;)
thank you for not compromising on you values as a mechanic..
Very interesting to hear that they changed every 5000 miles. I was listening to David Chao talk about oil change intervals with the Nissan GTR lead engineer this week. He was recommending 3000 mile oil changes. I feel like the timing chains are almost always still good on the other engines you have rebuilt. I wonder if it overheated at some point? Thanks for the awesome content!
The GTR is an entirely different animal than a Toyota. For me 3 Lexuses at home and I always do 6 months interval, which usually equates to 4K miles.
@@jml9550 He was giving advice for all cars. Just cool info from a guy who knows a ton about engines and I was kind of surprised by the lower number. I think he was speaking in terms of making your engine last 200-400K miles. I did 5000 mile oil changes on my last Lexus and it lasted 18 years and 200k miles so no complaints from me. But I'm thinking of dropping my current Lexus to 4000 ish.
It depends. What's considered normal varies wildly. But, if you drive city, lots of stop and go, short trips then 3000 miles is good. AMD mentioned that couple of years ago.
@@briankalagher6687 good information. On our 3 Lexuses, I always do an oil change after 1k miles, then every 6 months after that. Mobil 1 and Toyota OEM filter only, no exception. Our oldest is an 08RX350 158K miles and still runs like a champ. The ‘17 ES350 just hits 38K miles and just did our 24 NX350H oil change at 1K miles last week. I will keep the 6 months intervals on all our cars.
@@ahmadghosheh3104 we do a lot of short city trips, so for our 3 Lexuses, I do an oil change every 6 months.
I have the exact same Rav4.
I’m sitting in my shop watching the video doing my 5000 mile full synthetic oil change using Toyota filter… I drive 65 miles round trip to work everyday! It uses no oil between oil changes….. oils cheap change it
My favorite parts of the video are when you speed up the work, while talking softly over the video about what's going on.
I have a 2010 Camry w same motor. Change every 5-7000 miles. Use synthetic 0-20 and usually buy Supertech or what is on sale. Car has 210,000 miles. Does not appear to be burning oil. Bought it 6 years ago w 60K.
That's very good
What brands and types of oil do you consider as good oil to use for a oil change?
He recommends and uses on customer cars Toyota oil & filters
Owner makes a lot of sense. If they have no other issues with the car it toally makes sense to just pay the price to fix a car they know will do what they need it to do.
Just noticed this engine was used in the TC of every gen starting back in 2004. Have seen many of those engines burn out with neglect and lack of topping oil off. My friend who did 5k intervals never had an issue with his 05 TC.
I thought the TC used the 2AZ, not the 2AR
@@WinPC99 2AZ for the first generation, then 2011 they changed to the 2AR
god bless 5w 30 motor oil and big oil control rings
Wrong, 1st gen used the 2AZ 2nd gen and 3rd used the 2AR.
My mom's 2007 Rav4 burned so oil I was actually amazed. Sad because we missed the campaign where it was fixed for free
I had 02 Camry 4cyn, 5speed manual transmission. It was made in Japan. I put 300,000 miles on it when I sold it. It never used any oil. I changed with full synthetic mobile 1,every 5000 miles or less. Never used any oil . As a matter a fact never did anything except battery and tires .
Where did you buy the gasoline that you used for?
Great video. I think the biggest issue with the oil changes comes down to driving habits. I put Walmart or whatever the cheapest bundle at the auto store is in my vehicles and have been doing so for 20+ years and have never had a problem. When I married my wife she had just picked up a 2013 RAV4 and I’ve done all the maintenance myself. About to cross 200k and it runs like a top, just like my 275k Honda, my 350k Dodge (Cummins), and my now sold 360k Ford. I do what the manual says or 6 months whichever comes first. The only car I was super picky about oil with was my FD RX7 and I think that’s self explanatory why 😂
I still don't know why this particular engine (and the ones like it for the model years you mentioned) burned oil. You showed some wear or scuffing on the cylinder walls that may have allowed oil to get past the rings into the combustion chamber, but what is the culprit with these engines burning oil? What revisions did Toyota make to address this? Were the rings, valve stem seals, or head gaskets at fault? Regular oil changes have an impact but I cannot see Toyota making a revision because some owners do not change their engine oil when they should. Exactly which engine part is the culprit?
According to AMD(The Car Care Nut) the problem is caused by low tension oil control rings.If the oil is not changed at 5000 mile intervals (for all but the most ideal driving conditions),the oil control rings will begin to stick in the piston lands and will cause blow by into the crank case.This condition gets worse and worse until the cylinder walls start scuffing and eventually start gouging.He has several other videos that deal with this issue .Toyota is certainly not the only car company with this issue.The low tension rings (to save fuel) are the main culprit as I understand it.
You are right Rick, Toyota is not the only car company that has lowered the tension in the oil control rings in an effort to increase miles per gallon. The problem is this lessoning of tension may allow a small amount of oil to reach the combustion chamber & be burned along with the air/fuel mixture. These days car manufacturers are stating that a loss of a quart or so of engine oil between changes is "normal". Since when? I have a 2011 CRV that does not burn/lose any oil between changes. Throttle by wire, push button start, switch operated shifters, CVT transmissions, direct fuel injection, all come at a price. @@Rick-62tr3b
The transparency, Ethos, honesty, intellect, and wisdom.
Always learning, thanks.
I'm wondering if the owner *really* knows if the oil was truly changed every 5k miles. If he did it himself, like I do, then it's true. Otherwise, I think this is the source of the issue. I personally changed the oil on my 04 Scion xb every 5k miles, and it never burned 1 drop of oil.
He said the owner bought it new not used so he knows how it was maintained.
@@khakiswag True, I was at Amd's shop last week and spoke to the owner of this Rav 4 and he did regular oil changes.
@@khakiswag If he didn't personally do the oil changes, then he doesn't *actually* know if it was changed. It's like the "lifetime" transmission fluid when the vehicle has no dipstick. If they change it, how do you know they did it? My guess, given the hassle, is some service locations will lie and just say it was done. This is not an unusual occurrence, unfortunately. I've seen women and the elderly get taken advantage of too many times.
@@turkeyssr there is a big difference between fresh oil and old oil on the dipstick, he would know.
@@khakiswag Not trying to be argumentative here, but what other explanation is there? While the Car Care Nut has more experience in 1 year than I have in my lifetime, what oil that presumably meets the Toyota spec cause this? Oil is very good today regardless of the brand. Again, this is just a curious question. I'm not trying to be a jerk.
I have a 2011 Camry 2.5 engine with 250K miles, no leaks and no consumption (change oil every 5K or less)
Love this channel 🙂
I have a 2011 Rav4 with this engine and its at 180k mile and still runs great no burning oil. Only things I have ever had to replace are coolant hose and brakes. Will keep this car forever as a spare car.
I rant like a psychopath to friends and family about 10000 mile oil changes. If you need to keep a vehicle longer than 5 years or 75k miles you MUST do 5000 mile oil changes at least. Those 10k mile oil changes are designed for what the "manufacturer" considers the lifespan of the car which is usually 3-5 years and 60 - 80k miles. Same with "lifetime" transmission and diff fluids. Change those both at least every 60k miles.
The 10,000 mile oil change isn’t the sole problem. Toyota even states in the manual that under certain conditions the oil needs to be changed at 5,000 miles, but nobody reads the manual. The problem is Toyota’s use of a cheap mileage counter maintenance reminder. I had a Acura that went to 218,000 mikes on 10K oil changes with no oil burning issues. But Honda uses a algorithm to calculate when it needs changing based on sensor input and driving style. I did a 90 mile daily commute, mostly highway, and that is the perfect condition for long oil change intervals and the “Maintenance due soon” message came on right at 9,500 miles every time. My Ford truck has a similar system but I don’t drive it nearly as much and the “change oil soon” message usually pops up in the 7K range.
Don’t get me wrong. I love Toyotas. Our family has owned 8 or more total Toyota and Lexus model without major issues. Although, Toyotas are not all sunshine and roses folks..