Good project for a retired person with deep pockets and a Tesla. It is an exciting time for EV development. However, for a young family the priority is saving up for an EV with a 5 star safety rating. Just think of the injury to your legs in a crash riding an incumbent bike. Another paradox is that a basic bicycle does not require insurance, but an expensive ebike does, especially a prototype.
Thanks. Yeah it might suit a retiree better. I have so little time as it is. The insurance aspects I would need to check. I have the combined personal liability and contents insurance that’s recommended here already. But this kind of thing would stretch that, I suspect :)
@@ZeroTailpipe Yeah, nice idea but if you don't have the time then better to put the money towards an EV - Just get you and your family bikes for now and hire the Zoe when you need it. I'm looking at the new 50kw Zoe but also the Peugeot e208 but if you can't wait I think you would be happy with a second hand iconic the same you had in the UK - you can always sell it later as there are so many new EV's coming on the market in the new few years.
Electric - no noise, no emissions. Love it. Maybe it is just me, but it seems like bicycles and ebike are getting more popular around the world. I wonder how much of the interest has been due to all the bike rental schemes.
Years ago , I checked with VeLove regarding an Armadillo Semi with assist sent to the States . Their response was less than stellar with regards to "more than 3 wheels" and "electric assist" as U.S. regulations defining factors for a "bike" . After becoming disinchanted with my enclosed velomobile for camping (I'm pushing 70 years old) , The VeLove reigned supreme . MY idea was to build an RV with solar , "pop-out" and possibly a raising roof and chassis ground stabilizers for camping whilst touring. If you can think it , you can do it ! Heck , just a little more than 100 years ago , we relied on fire and steam . GO FOR IT !
This sounds like a great idea! It would be a vicarious dream come true. I would love yo purchase an Armadillo, however the import fees and legislation around e-bikes in Australia are hostile.
In Australia electric bicycles must be manufactured to the European EN 15194 standard for electric bikes. Amongst a number of other things, EN 15194 allows a maximum power output of 250 watts, with a safeguard allowing for power assistance only when the bicycle is travelling at less than 25km/h and the rider is peddling. This means that the rider must pedal to obtain help from the motor(s) and cannot simply be propelled by the motor alone. The motor may operate without the rider pedaling up to a speed of 6km/h (just under 4 mph) i.e. walking speed. All of this must independently verified and requires import approval from my state Department of Transport. Otherwise, the bicycle is consider a motorcycle the must conform to the rules and regulations of motor vehicles. Additionally, three and four wheeled cycles fall into a grey area due to the wording of the legislation that specifically refer to two wheels.
Expensive initial outlay. However, with the right conversion it could be a cracking little runabout. (I'm thinking Tuk-Tuk) Just throwing some ides up here: Is there a local hobbyist club that does small engineering projects? Is there a college that does night school classes in engineering that would allow you to convert the original chassis? Can you take recyclable parts from a scrap yard and adapt them? If it can go from Switzerland to China, it must be well built and worth the outlay.
Thanks. This is exactly the kind of support I’d need - make it a group project, split the ownership/upfront costs, pool knowledge, parts, ideas, testing etc :)
I made an electric bike here in Costa Rica 3 1/2 years ago (+14.000 kms on the road already). Sure thing, the cost of such project was paid off with what I saved from gasoline and oil changes. Now I have your same idea: to make a more confortable, more stable, aluminum platform, plywood frame (original design for all type of weathers) 4 wheel pedal assisted bicycle. It will, however, reach the $12K mark or more, and will take lots of time and garage space. What I learned from my past project is that it was cheaper to buy the tools and learn to do everything yourself and that would take a large part of the budget with this one. Sounds like another dilema I had years prior to all that: to buy a brand new EV car or to convert my old one into electric. I see people cannibalize old bikes for things like that to keep costs as low as possible. I still running numbers though. Anyway, I am a new suscriber to your channel and I will follow you "no matter what" :)
I only noticed the family with their armadillo from Switzland to china last night on youtube. Like you i would have loved to see more info on the features the maintenance of their vehicle over their 17K plus kilometers. I would be very much interested in your process if you went down the track of purchasing such a vehicle for your family's transportation needs. I have never seen such a vehicle where i live on the Gold Coast QLD Australia. Actually, i would love the idea of using such a vehicle for touring myself.
Agreed. Videos of their experience would have been great - especially given that 'van life' style touring and living videos are so big on RUclips now. This is more a sustainable option, with less commitment to give up a house but still have the option for mobile camping and longer duration touring :)
I'd be surprise if there wasn't someone watching this video that might like to join you on such a project. The basic idea is appealing and I can see why you feel energised by it. I needs careful thought though as it's a bit Sinclair C5 much to my mind a lot more practical. The last mile transport operators must think it's viable so it must make commercial sense for them.
Thanks Duncan. €8,000, plus a lot more money, is that less money available for buying or leasing an electric car. At that price, you're already above the price of a used Renault Zöe, and it will be a lot less weatherproof. And can you carry three passengers and their luggage on, or in, one of those vehicles legally? If you're not seeing them in regular use in Denmark, then the chances are that it's not seen as a serious and easy option.
It sounds really interesting - especially as it's something that hasn't been done before. Perhaps you can find some designers and engineers to help plan what you would do before you buy anything. That way you can price it up too. I was then thinking that you can always sell it on, or perhaps you can buy a second hand one. Or work out how to build a passenger one that another company/people might want to buy too?
@@ZeroTailpipe www.ooyyo.com/denmark/c=CDA31D7114D2854F111B9E6FBACF3541CAB51C5016/-5320748445595664153.html/ This doesn't have much range but it will go 30 km a day is pretty inexpensive and carries four. I like the looks of the fourtwo but it's range is pitiful 40-50 miles at highway speed in winter. Still it seems that is all you need. It isn't an Ioniq but it is much smaller too.
ruclips.net/video/N7YD35BCRm4/видео.html For reference the turn circle of the London Taxi is still best at 25 feet. Range in summer is closer to 100 miles at city speed.
ruclips.net/video/u-UlewpsES4/видео.html under 50 kph driving over 160 km range. EPA as bad as their test is says 56 miles at 75 mph. EPA test procedure is to charge the afternoon before then unplug and let the car sit overnight outside then start testing early morning driving city circuits and or Highway circuits. Ioniq gets 124 mile rating. Smart fortwo 56 mile rating. (no forfour's in North America) Smart charging is 7.2 kW AC single phase and 22 kW three phase. 17.8 kWh max battery (likely 17.3 kWh). No DCFC. But 2.5 hours at 7.2 or 45 minutes at 22. This is not a great car for long holiday drives, although at 96 km highway speed range it may be not any slower than a new 2nd gen Ioniq or 39 kWh Kona, if you have access to 22 kW charging.
I think it would be a very interesting project for you. I think the most important thing before you do anything, is have you got the time? And what do the family think? They need your time and energy too. You might also think about the potential of making money from it. If you end up with a viable product you could sell the engineering/design to a factory who might make it. If you do decide to do it, suggest you consider using a closed facebook group. Much easier than RUclips. You will also have access to a big source of ideas/experience from other like minded people. Anyway good luck.
TrikExplor H420E. Probably cheaper than the Velov or the Schaefler (probably did not spell those correctly, but I'm sure you know what I mean). Not necessarily better than those other two though. And certainly still expensive.
Thanks! My daughter was eyeing them too :) There’s a beast of an e-scooter in the window as well, with hydraulic disc brakes! Never seen anything like it. My daughter said, “Look Papa! It folds up so you could take it to your office!” ;)
It sounds like an interesting project but too costly for what it is in my opinion. With an electric car you have the security that you can lock it in the street for days inbetween use without parts easily going missing. I am really interested in seeing a cost saving way to get into EVs maybe a modular platform developed by yourself in a non profit group.
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Have you considered a driver? When i lived in England 25 years ago when going to school my Mom had a private taxi (pre Uber) driver who would drive her all over the place. I've also heard of Drivers who bring their own car and just drive you under a contract similar to a private chauffeur or Uber Lux but something you could book for morning and evening commute...
@@ZeroTailpipe electrek.co/2016/08/26/danish-startup-spiri-to-launch-its-carpooling-service-in-2017-using-their-own-all-electric-fleet-with-a-unique-twist/ This is supposed to be an All EV version there is also the Tesla Version too.
Always interesting trying new things assuming you have somewhere to keep such a machine as a E-bike would go under the stairs etc, if you have a garage have you considered the Renault Twizy which comes with the weather protection and a rear seat for little ones or shopping etc, just a thought 🤔
I would say try to buy a used e Bike that can tow a trailer or something. As someone that owns two ebikes and an EV, I think an EV wins for convenience, especially when the weather is poor or it's dark out. I only ride my ebikes for pleasure and they are very heavy. Also there is a huge premium for an ebike and you may be able to avoid the high investment by buying used and having it shipped to you.
@@ZeroTailpipe The used market is pretty small I'd say, I'm in the US, not sure what is like in Denmark. Just figured it's worth looking into since I know they're expensive! I have a Juiced ODK500 and an Ohm brand bicycle that uses the Bionx D500 motor that is extremely smooth and powerful ( best motor in the world in my opinion,made in Canada but the company is going through financial troubles).
I‘d rather look for the progress of „Podbike“. I‘d buy an EV for long range and family transport and a podbike for personal transport in 2020. The price/performance EVs for me are Soul EV or an Ioniq PFL (28).
Armadillo is quite interesting bike. I haven’t seen or test one, but it looks very practical. But I have tested Urban Arrow cargo bike and I got feeling it’s very good quality bike. But before you buy anythng, I strongly recommend you to test Quattrovelo. It’s four wheeled velomobile with a lot of luggage space (not as much as with Armadillo, but much more than with other velomobile models). You can get a child seat for the Quattro and I guess your son would fit in there. Also with velomobile you get good weather protection and in Denmark you don’t get that much snow so you can use it easily year around. And you can mount electric assist. Velomobilcenter.dk can mount it for you. A velomobile is closer to a car than any other vehicles you have mentioned so far, so it does make sense to at least test ride one.
@@ZeroTailpipe That bike platform does look awesome. Putting some seats on it should be like an afternoon's work for a handy man/woman, *BUT* there may be local regulations, which could make it impossible to use (legally) on public streets. I assume that's why the manufacturer is also hesitant to build such a thing.
If you are still interested in the Armadillo van Velove, I know which company has developed it. It is www.flevobike.nl from the Netherlands. As far as I know they will make a personal version of the Armmadillo. I don't know when it will hit the market, but you can contact FlevoBike
I would love to watch such a crazy project on RUclips but it would be a "time pit" for you. The bare Armadillo is about £8750 by my reckoning. If your physics and electronics background come with a practical bent then you could probably do it and it would be fun.
I think your first steps should be checking out what it is actually legal to do where you are, before spending any money. Don't assume that because people use them elsewhere that they are legal to implement your ideas in your location. AS you are probably aware electric scooters etc are not legal on public roads in the UK yet legal elsewhere. If they are legal what are the other requirements (insurance for instance)
Thanks. I think the Armadillos are legal as they are currently used - but that could change with passengers. Perhaps one reason Velove have not yet gone down this road...?
I had the same question 2 years ago, buy an electric car that standstill on the file or make something that drives like a car and is safe and cost a lot less. Now it is finished and it had cost 4000 euro and I can drive 10000km a year on the sun and cost me 100 euro a year for new tires and little things for this 10000km. And if you need more than 10000km, just place more solar panels. For more details see "solar trike" on Facebook.
Grest idea. And the rest of the ev money tou can buy a used model S. Even if it's done 100,000 it's still.going to go on for a long time. Love the idea of that e bike though. Good luck.
Only just found your channel. Yes an interesting idea. Have you considered Patreon? I’d kick in a couple quid to watch it’s as it develops. There’s an increasing number of this type of vehicle. Fully Charged rode a concept e quad bike that is now nearing production. Best of luck 😀
The Mercedes B Class electric, if you can find one, is an option you might consider. It has one defect it only has poor charging 4 kW AC single phase or 11 kW AC three phase. Otherwise it will drive very well. The 36 kWh battery is normally only uses 77%of the available battery. But if you are planning on a longer trip the Extender option (if equipped) will let you charge to 93%. Range is 87 miles standard range, 115-120 miles with range extender. Some say 150+ miles. There are none listed in Denmark officially but one or more maybe the electric versions. You would have to ask. Kate & James like it. ruclips.net/video/gpGjNKTaPFA/видео.html (In North America it is only single phase 10 kW AC charging). www.ooyyo.com/denmark/c=CDA31D7114D2854F111B9E6FBA1F355BDDA21D6317C4844111/-2692080696643326596.html/ This might be an electric version. The silver bar of buttons shows which options it has. the outermost are heated seats. the next are the parking sensors on your right and a fan of some type on the left. The users right inner button is the extender E Cell and the users left inner is the Sport Eco or Eco+ selector. (they do not all have all the options) The B Class is rare as it is the compliance car they never wanted to make or sell. But it is a fantastic car none the less. (except charging). Eco mode reduces power to 132 hp sport accesses 180 hp. 0-60 mphis in the 7+ second range. The Mercedes uses Tesla batteries and motors it is front wheel drive. 8 year Tesla battery warranty but you may need to use Mercedes for warranty repair. Ask around if you are interested.
That could be a very expensive project, plus why reinvent the wheel (no pun intended). An electric tuk tuk could work (ruclips.net/video/d6fZAOXcvgU/видео.html) or aTwizzy(only 2 seats!)....or the new Archimoto urban fun vehicle..there are options out there.
Thanks. Yeah, other options are good too. I like the Archimoto but again not sure they’ll hit their planned price point and/or come to Europe from the USA?
Thanks. I’m a bit obsessed with the Bio-Hybrid that’s meant to be coming from Schaeffler later this year... that looks a bit more like what I need in a production ready prospect... we’ll see. I was planning to go to Gothenburg soon and try to get a ride on this Velove one... that’s on hold right now of course
Looking at Bilbasen, there are a few 2015 BMW i3's in stormtrooper colours, that are reasonably priced. How much range do you really need? www.bilbasen.dk/brugt/bil/bmw/i3
I sort of think it would be a money pit especially since the starting point is so high. I was watching a RUclips video the other day about someone driving a electric vehicle up to wild Bill hickock's grave but they were talking about an electric tuk tuk this was not the company they were talking about but might be something you want to look at here is a link tuktukfactory.com hope it helps.
Good project for a retired person with deep pockets and a Tesla. It is an exciting time for EV development. However, for a young family the priority is saving up for an EV with a 5 star safety rating. Just think of the injury to your legs in a crash riding an incumbent bike. Another paradox is that a basic bicycle does not require insurance, but an expensive ebike does, especially a prototype.
Thanks. Yeah it might suit a retiree better. I have so little time as it is. The insurance aspects I would need to check. I have the combined personal liability and contents insurance that’s recommended here already. But this kind of thing would stretch that, I suspect :)
@@ZeroTailpipe Yeah, nice idea but if you don't have the time then better to put the money towards an EV - Just get you and your family bikes for now and hire the Zoe when you need it. I'm looking at the new 50kw Zoe but also the Peugeot e208 but if you can't wait I think you would be happy with a second hand iconic the same you had in the UK - you can always sell it later as there are so many new EV's coming on the market in the new few years.
Electric - no noise, no emissions. Love it.
Maybe it is just me, but it seems like bicycles and ebike are getting more popular around the world.
I wonder how much of the interest has been due to all the bike rental schemes.
Thanks :)
Years ago , I checked with VeLove regarding an Armadillo Semi with assist sent to the States . Their response was less than stellar with regards to "more than 3 wheels" and "electric assist" as U.S. regulations defining factors for a "bike" .
After becoming disinchanted with my enclosed velomobile for camping (I'm pushing 70 years old) , The VeLove reigned supreme . MY idea was to build an RV with solar , "pop-out" and possibly a raising roof and chassis ground stabilizers for camping whilst touring.
If you can think it , you can do it ! Heck , just a little more than 100 years ago , we relied on fire and steam . GO FOR IT !
Cool ideas, thanks :)
This sounds like a great idea! It would be a vicarious dream come true. I would love yo purchase an Armadillo, however the import fees and legislation around e-bikes in Australia are hostile.
Thanks. What is the legislation around e-bikes in Australia? What makes it so hostile/restrictive...?
In Australia electric bicycles must be manufactured to the European EN 15194 standard for electric bikes. Amongst a number of other things, EN 15194 allows a maximum power output of 250 watts, with a safeguard allowing for power assistance only when the bicycle is travelling at less than 25km/h and the rider is peddling. This means that the rider must pedal to obtain help from the motor(s) and cannot simply be propelled by the motor alone. The motor may operate without the rider pedaling up to a speed of 6km/h (just under 4 mph) i.e. walking speed.
All of this must independently verified and requires import approval from my state Department of Transport. Otherwise, the bicycle is consider a motorcycle the must conform to the rules and regulations of motor vehicles.
Additionally, three and four wheeled cycles fall into a grey area due to the wording of the legislation that specifically refer to two wheels.
Great idea I thought of having several tray concepts
Expensive initial outlay. However, with the right conversion it could be a cracking little runabout. (I'm thinking Tuk-Tuk) Just throwing some ides up here: Is there a local hobbyist club that does small engineering projects? Is there a college that does night school classes in engineering that would allow you to convert the original chassis? Can you take recyclable parts from a scrap yard and adapt them? If it can go from Switzerland to China, it must be well built and worth the outlay.
Thanks. This is exactly the kind of support I’d need - make it a group project, split the ownership/upfront costs, pool knowledge, parts, ideas, testing etc :)
Do you know what is the most powerful motor for cargo bikes that is still 250 W nominal? Would love to be able to ride 25km/h up most hills.
I believe this was a 250w high torque
Yup, sounds interesting / good to see evolve - ideal for RUclips 👍
Thanks :)
Solar panels on top of boxes for sure!
:)
Maybe a half height cargo box with solar.
I have been thinking about this for me. Local runabout is a very interesting idea.
Sounds like a fun project :D And welcome to Norway :) Just love my ioniq EV very nice car to own.
Thanks. I’m looking forward to seeing EVs everywhere again over the next few days :)
I made an electric bike here in Costa Rica 3 1/2 years ago (+14.000 kms on the road already). Sure thing, the cost of such project was paid off with what I saved from gasoline and oil changes. Now I have your same idea: to make a more confortable, more stable, aluminum platform, plywood frame (original design for all type of weathers) 4 wheel pedal assisted bicycle. It will, however, reach the $12K mark or more, and will take lots of time and garage space. What I learned from my past project is that it was cheaper to buy the tools and learn to do everything yourself and that would take a large part of the budget with this one. Sounds like another dilema I had years prior to all that: to buy a brand new EV car or to convert my old one into electric. I see people cannibalize old bikes for things like that to keep costs as low as possible. I still running numbers though. Anyway, I am a new suscriber to your channel and I will follow you "no matter what" :)
Sounds superb! :)
I only noticed the family with their armadillo from Switzland to china last night on youtube. Like you i would have loved to see more info on the features the maintenance of their vehicle over their 17K plus kilometers. I would be very much interested in your process if you went down the track of purchasing such a vehicle for your family's transportation needs. I have never seen such a vehicle where i live on the Gold Coast QLD Australia. Actually, i would love the idea of using such a vehicle for touring myself.
Agreed. Videos of their experience would have been great - especially given that 'van life' style touring and living videos are so big on RUclips now. This is more a sustainable option, with less commitment to give up a house but still have the option for mobile camping and longer duration touring :)
good project interesting ,I assume it won't be able to be used in the bike lanes
I'd be surprise if there wasn't someone watching this video that might like to join you on such a project. The basic idea is appealing and I can see why you feel energised by it. I needs careful thought though as it's a bit Sinclair C5 much to my mind a lot more practical. The last mile transport operators must think it's viable so it must make commercial sense for them.
Thanks. Yeah it may already have found its niche in logistics and be less feasible for passenger uses... :)
Thanks Duncan. €8,000, plus a lot more money, is that less money available for buying or leasing an electric car. At that price, you're already above the price of a used Renault Zöe, and it will be a lot less weatherproof. And can you carry three passengers and their luggage on, or in, one of those vehicles legally? If you're not seeing them in regular use in Denmark, then the chances are that it's not seen as a serious and easy option.
It sounds really interesting - especially as it's something that hasn't been done before. Perhaps you can find some designers and engineers to help plan what you would do before you buy anything. That way you can price it up too.
I was then thinking that you can always sell it on, or perhaps you can buy a second hand one. Or work out how to build a passenger one that another company/people might want to buy too?
Thanks. Good thoughts :)
Yes, would be interesting. That price for the base/chassis product seems very high. The finished article would cost as much as a second hand Leaf!
True. It’s far from cheap... :(
How far do you have to drive for the morning commute?
Thanks. It’s 10 to 15 km each way, depending on the school drop off(s) situation...
@@ZeroTailpipe www.ooyyo.com/denmark/c=CDA31D7114D2854F111B9E6FBACF3541CAB51C5016/-5320748445595664153.html/ This doesn't have much range but it will go 30 km a day is pretty inexpensive and carries four. I like the looks of the fourtwo but it's range is pitiful 40-50 miles at highway speed in winter. Still it seems that is all you need. It isn't an Ioniq but it is much smaller too.
ruclips.net/video/N7YD35BCRm4/видео.html For reference the turn circle of the London Taxi is still best at 25 feet.
Range in summer is closer to 100 miles at city speed.
ruclips.net/video/u-UlewpsES4/видео.html under 50 kph driving over 160 km range. EPA as bad as their test is says 56 miles at 75 mph. EPA test procedure is to charge the afternoon before then unplug and let the car sit overnight outside then start testing early morning driving city circuits and or Highway circuits. Ioniq gets 124 mile rating. Smart fortwo 56 mile rating. (no forfour's in North America)
Smart charging is 7.2 kW AC single phase and 22 kW three phase. 17.8 kWh max battery (likely 17.3 kWh). No DCFC. But 2.5 hours at 7.2 or 45 minutes at 22. This is not a great car for long holiday drives, although at 96 km highway speed range it may be not any slower than a new 2nd gen Ioniq or 39 kWh Kona, if you have access to 22 kW charging.
I think it would be a very interesting project for you. I think the most important thing before you do anything, is have you got the time? And what do the family think? They need your time and energy too. You might also think about the potential of making money from it. If you end up with a viable product you could sell the engineering/design to a factory who might make it. If you do decide to do it, suggest you consider using a closed facebook group. Much easier than RUclips. You will also have access to a big source of ideas/experience from other like minded people. Anyway good luck.
Thanks. Good idea on a Facebook group. I’ll see what reactions and thoughts crop up. I’ll discuss it with the family too :)
This will be exiting but really expensive
Yeah that would be fun to follow - but true it would probably be costly.... :)
I think so ;)
I have just bought one of these to do a similar project
Cool. Will you make RUclips videos to share about your project? I'd be interested to see how it works out...
@@ZeroTailpipe I will be starting a channel soon to document it
Any update on your project ? Where is your channel ?
TrikExplor H420E. Probably cheaper than the Velov or the Schaefler (probably did not spell those correctly, but I'm sure you know what I mean). Not necessarily better than those other two though. And certainly still expensive.
Have you looked at XYZ cargo
Cheers
Also love that shop you go to, lots of e-boards :)
Thanks! My daughter was eyeing them too :) There’s a beast of an e-scooter in the window as well, with hydraulic disc brakes! Never seen anything like it. My daughter said, “Look Papa! It folds up so you could take it to your office!” ;)
Yes it would be be nice if it could be kind off a mobility scooter just my wired mind over thing 😀
It sounds like an interesting project but too costly for what it is in my opinion. With an electric car you have the security that you can lock it in the street for days inbetween use without parts easily going missing. I am really interested in seeing a cost saving way to get into EVs maybe a modular platform developed by yourself in a non profit group.
Thanks :)
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Have you considered a driver? When i lived in England 25 years ago when going to school my Mom had a private taxi (pre Uber) driver who would drive her all over the place. I've also heard of Drivers who bring their own car and just drive you under a contract similar to a private chauffeur or Uber Lux but something you could book for morning and evening commute...
8rental.com/aarhus-chauffeur-service
Interesting thanks :)
@@ZeroTailpipe electrek.co/2016/08/26/danish-startup-spiri-to-launch-its-carpooling-service-in-2017-using-their-own-all-electric-fleet-with-a-unique-twist/
This is supposed to be an All EV version there is also the Tesla Version too.
Always interesting trying new things assuming you have somewhere to keep such a machine as a E-bike would go under the stairs etc, if you have a garage have you considered the Renault Twizy which comes with the weather protection and a rear seat for little ones or shopping etc, just a thought 🤔
Thanks. Twizy is an option but not keen on perpetual battery lease on a lower value EV ...
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I would say it could cost at least 15k-20k 🤔
Yeah. I think you’re right. Costly for what it is / would become...
I would say try to buy a used e Bike that can tow a trailer or something. As someone that owns two ebikes and an EV, I think an EV wins for convenience, especially when the weather is poor or it's dark out. I only ride my ebikes for pleasure and they are very heavy. Also there is a huge premium for an ebike and you may be able to avoid the high investment by buying used and having it shipped to you.
Good idea, thanks. I’ve not really looked into used bikes :)
@@ZeroTailpipe The used market is pretty small I'd say, I'm in the US, not sure what is like in Denmark. Just figured it's worth looking into since I know they're expensive! I have a Juiced ODK500 and an Ohm brand bicycle that uses the Bionx D500 motor that is extremely smooth and powerful ( best motor in the world in my opinion,made in Canada but the company is going through financial troubles).
Would be great to see love the idea of it but could also be a money pit :) great vid chap
Thanks :)
I‘d rather look for the progress of „Podbike“. I‘d buy an EV for long range and family transport and a podbike for personal transport in 2020. The price/performance EVs for me are Soul EV or an Ioniq PFL (28).
Thanks. (PFL=pre-facelift?)
Armadillo is quite interesting bike. I haven’t seen or test one, but it looks very practical. But I have tested Urban Arrow cargo bike and I got feeling it’s very good quality bike.
But before you buy anythng, I strongly recommend you to test Quattrovelo. It’s four wheeled velomobile with a lot of luggage space (not as much as with Armadillo, but much more than with other velomobile models). You can get a child seat for the Quattro and I guess your son would fit in there. Also with velomobile you get good weather protection and in Denmark you don’t get that much snow so you can use it easily year around. And you can mount electric assist. Velomobilcenter.dk can mount it for you.
A velomobile is closer to a car than any other vehicles you have mentioned so far, so it does make sense to at least test ride one.
Thanks! Do you have any contacts I could follow up in Denmark?
Visit Velomobilcenter.dk. I’m pretty sure they have Quattrovelo ready for test rides.
You can get a Renault Twizy with that kind of money... which already has a roof and is street legal... but only one passenger in the back.
Yes, if I could find one :)
@@ZeroTailpipe That bike platform does look awesome. Putting some seats on it should be like an afternoon's work for a handy man/woman, *BUT* there may be local regulations, which could make it impossible to use (legally) on public streets. I assume that's why the manufacturer is also hesitant to build such a thing.
If you are still interested in the Armadillo van Velove, I know which company has developed it. It is www.flevobike.nl from the Netherlands. As far as I know they will make a personal version of the Armmadillo. I don't know when it will hit the market, but you can contact FlevoBike
Cool, thanks!
I would love to watch such a crazy project on RUclips but it would be a "time pit" for you. The bare Armadillo is about £8750 by my reckoning. If your physics and electronics background come with a practical bent then you could probably do it and it would be fun.
Thanks. Yeah time has value too. Good point :)
Hello, where can I sell this kind of car?
I think your first steps should be checking out what it is actually legal to do where you are, before spending any money. Don't assume that because people use them elsewhere that they are legal to implement your ideas in your location.
AS you are probably aware electric scooters etc are not legal on public roads in the UK yet legal elsewhere.
If they are legal what are the other requirements (insurance for instance)
Electric bicycles are legal.
Thanks. I think the Armadillos are legal as they are currently used - but that could change with passengers. Perhaps one reason Velove have not yet gone down this road...?
I would say it’s a good project to do.
Thanks :)
I had the same question 2 years ago, buy an electric car that standstill on the file or make something that drives like a car and is safe and cost a lot less. Now it is finished and it had cost 4000 euro and I can drive 10000km a year on the sun and cost me 100 euro a year for new tires and little things for this 10000km. And if you need more than 10000km, just place more solar panels. For more details see "solar trike" on Facebook.
Cool!
I'm going to say it will be a fun and interesting project but also very likely a money pit.
Quite possibly... :)
Grest idea. And the rest of the ev money tou can buy a used model S. Even if it's done 100,000 it's still.going to go on for a long time. Love the idea of that e bike though. Good luck.
:)
Kan se det er 5 år, siden men er du kommet videre ed det
Only just found your channel. Yes an interesting idea. Have you considered Patreon? I’d kick in a couple quid to watch it’s as it develops. There’s an increasing number of this type of vehicle. Fully Charged rode a concept e quad bike that is now nearing production. Best of luck 😀
Thanks. I think a few step will be to go see the Velove team in Gothenburg. After that I might consider launching a project of some kind :)
The Mercedes B Class electric, if you can find one, is an option you might consider. It has one defect it only has poor charging 4 kW AC single phase or 11 kW AC three phase. Otherwise it will drive very well. The 36 kWh battery is normally only uses 77%of the available battery. But if you are planning on a longer trip the Extender option (if equipped) will let you charge to 93%.
Range is 87 miles standard range, 115-120 miles with range extender. Some say 150+ miles.
There are none listed in Denmark officially but one or more maybe the electric versions. You would have to ask.
Kate & James like it. ruclips.net/video/gpGjNKTaPFA/видео.html
(In North America it is only single phase 10 kW AC charging).
www.ooyyo.com/denmark/c=CDA31D7114D2854F111B9E6FBA1F355BDDA21D6317C4844111/-2692080696643326596.html/
This might be an electric version.
The silver bar of buttons shows which options it has. the outermost are heated seats. the next are the parking sensors on your right and a fan of some type on the left. The users right inner button is the extender E Cell and the users left inner is the Sport Eco or Eco+ selector. (they do not all have all the options)
The B Class is rare as it is the compliance car they never wanted to make or sell. But it is a fantastic car none the less. (except charging).
Eco mode reduces power to 132 hp sport accesses 180 hp. 0-60 mphis in the 7+ second range. The Mercedes uses Tesla batteries and motors it is front wheel drive. 8 year Tesla battery warranty but you may need to use Mercedes for warranty repair. Ask around if you are interested.
What about the family?,ask them
Thanks. Will do :) (they’re remarkably tolerant of my wacky ideas!)
Patience...?20 grand Chinese tesla on its way...I'd like a bio hybrid but it would cost half my years courier earnings! E bikes ftw!
That could be a very expensive project, plus why reinvent the wheel (no pun intended). An electric tuk tuk could work (ruclips.net/video/d6fZAOXcvgU/видео.html) or aTwizzy(only 2 seats!)....or the new Archimoto urban fun vehicle..there are options out there.
Thanks. Yeah, other options are good too. I like the Archimoto but again not sure they’ll hit their planned price point and/or come to Europe from the USA?
Please do it please please please
Thanks. I’m a bit obsessed with the Bio-Hybrid that’s meant to be coming from Schaeffler later this year... that looks a bit more like what I need in a production ready prospect... we’ll see. I was planning to go to Gothenburg soon and try to get a ride on this Velove one... that’s on hold right now of course
Looking at Bilbasen, there are a few 2015 BMW i3's in stormtrooper colours, that are reasonably priced. How much range do you really need?
www.bilbasen.dk/brugt/bil/bmw/i3
Thanks :)
I sort of think it would be a money pit especially since the starting point is so high. I was watching a RUclips video the other day about someone driving a electric vehicle up to wild Bill hickock's grave but they were talking about an electric tuk tuk this was not the company they were talking about but might be something you want to look at here is a link tuktukfactory.com
hope it helps.
Thanks :)
Money pit. For less you could get used Mitsubishi i-MiEV or Peugeot i-o.
True :)
Sounds like a money pit. Entertaining for us but not that smart for you maybe.
Thanks. You might be right :)
Needs 45 km/h topspeed. 25km/h is too slow. Might as well get a cheap ebike bicycle
Thanks. Yeah, I haven’t taken this any further. Still a good short distance delivery vehicle though. See a few around the city here :)
money pit
Thanks. I think you’re right :)
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Here was the link of the video I watched
ruclips.net/video/eR_du7Eo-Tw/видео.html
Thanks! I think I’ve watched some of their Tesla Model 3 videos in the past... :)
cute kid
Best E bike is the Delfast. www.delfast.com
True. Looks epic :) I’ve watched a few clips on it :)